For me, Armando is a kind of St Joseph character---guiding and protecting the 'messiah',but not often getting full recognition for the role he plays.Armando is a special, special human in movies about Apes.And yes, dammit, Khan is an impressive personification of evil and hatred.It's interesting,actually, to watch Fantasy Island on dvd today (I was sent the first series by a friend!).Rourke is a subtly evil sonuvvabitch at times---displaying Ricardo's range.Special man.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting that "Star Trek" is about a peaceful society and Ricardo Montalban is their poster boy for conflict (Khaaaaaan!!) while POTA is about societies at war and Montalban played the voice of peace. Ricardo has done enough to make sci-fi fans "grateful forever".
>
>

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Anyone have any idea what 'The Apocalypse" might be?

<http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Planet-Blu-ray-James-Franco/dp/B004U5BMD0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1315566454&sr=8-9>

Dave

Is it where positive Ape particles meet negative Trek particles, resulting in a chain reaction that ultimately resolves itself into a universe revolving around Ricardo Montalban? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any idea what 'The Apocalypse" might be?
>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Rise-Planet-Blu-ray-James-Franco/dp/B004U5BMD0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&qid=1315566454&sr=8-9>
>
> Dave
>

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I already said it's going to be here Nov. 8th. That's my birthday. "X-Men: FC" hit theaters in early June and it hits blu-ray today so that's 3 months exactly. That's the way Fox rolls.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 5:13 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Are the rumors true that a Rise DVD/BluRay will be available by November?



Just various talk her and their and the Amazon site and Blogs are all saying that a digital disc will be here around November 8th or so. Thats fast man. The digital Bits was my old camping ground and nothing from them yet. Is their a concenses yet as to when? John M.

Does anyone have a drawing, photo, or some other image of the Icarus as it was very briefly seen in Rise of the Planet of the Apes? It looked to me at first glance very much like a conventional space shuttle. Then I got the impression of something more triangular like the X-33 "Venture Star" single stage to orbit vehicle attached to conventional shuttle boosters and main tank.
Richard

Finally, the review we've been waiting for is in. The Cornell Daily Sun, the official paper of Cornell University, sez "Rise of the POTA" "is a captivating origin story that entertains not on cheap thrills, but on substance". And they're smart. They went to college!

http://www.cornellsun.com/section/arts/content/2011/09/09/apes-sequel-succeeds

Boxoffice mojo still predicts "Rise of the POTA" to be # 5 this weekend despite the continuing revolving door of new movies. Included is the middle film of the "Rise" trilogy. There's "Rise", "Contagion" and "Rise 2". Mojo predicts "Contagion" will be # 1, dethroning "The Help", then the new flick "The Warrior", "The Debt" and "Rise". We'll see.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3267&p=.htm

Nice job, Jim! Hey, I don't suppose your middle name's Tiberius, by any chance, is it? :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "." <aquaboi@...> wrote:
>
> that would be 1911 ad and there wasnt any yet, even though it was being considered in the house, it wasnt established as an act of congress to be taken until 1913.
> and it is a statute punishable by imprisonment if failure to comply with congress's wishes is committed.
> they didnt want people being shot over failure to pay on time if the crop didnt come in or they were a few dollars short over income tax, that is why it isnt a law but is a requirement by statute as an act of congress. another act of congress is the declaration of war. you can be taken out and shot with no trial if found to be a spy or a traitor. that shows how powerful an act of congress can be.
> jim
>
> ?
> Here's a trivia question for anyone who might want to take a swing at it: What was the USA's federal income tax rate a century ago?
>
> Have a great weekend... :-)
>
> ---
>

Rise enters 2011's U.S. TOP TEN this weekend... :-)

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2011&p=.htm

Please notice how long that list actually is. Approximately 300 new releases come out of Hollywood each year (while at least half really do lose money, if I'm remembering correctly).

Now then, might anyone here already know in what place POTA2001 finished in 2001? Here's the answer:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2001&p=.htm

If only we could see a list of 1968's top performers :-) Perhaps someone here knows of one?

Anyhow, Rise is doing better globally than domestically, which doesn't happen too often:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

I have to credit our group and especially its manager(s) for helping to make Rise happen, and succeed. Ripple effects can be more significant than one realizes when one makes waves. And this group has collectively helped make a splash year-after-year.

Nice going folks!

45 years of Star Trek? Seems excessive.Hell, even murderers and kidnappers get time off for good behaviour.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> Nice job, Jim! Hey, I don't suppose your middle name's Tiberius, by any chance, is it? :-)
>
>

RISE continues to glow.Remember the downer after the intial splurge with Burton's Apes---audience figures fell off a cliff and critics savaged it.RISE has serious legs and the critics love it! I kind of feel us Apes fans are a bit like the abused Chimps freed after 30 years--we almost need to re-learn how to be happy and enjoy stuff after decades of misery.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> Rise enters 2011's U.S. TOP TEN this weekend... :-)
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2011&p=.htm
>
> Please notice how long that list actually is. Approximately 300 new releases come out of Hollywood each year (while at least half really do lose money, if I'm remembering correctly).
>
> Now then, might anyone here already know in what place POTA2001 finished in 2001? Here's the answer:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?yr=2001&p=.htm
>
> If only we could see a list of 1968's top performers :-) Perhaps someone here knows of one?
>
> Anyhow, Rise is doing better globally than domestically, which doesn't happen too often:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> I have to credit our group and especially its manager(s) for helping to make Rise happen, and succeed. Ripple effects can be more significant than one realizes when one makes waves. And this group has collectively helped make a splash year-after-year.
>
> Nice going folks!
>

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In a message dated 9/9/2011 10:09:37 A.M. Central Daylight Time, richardsprague@... writes:

Does anyone have a drawing, photo, or some other image of the Icarus as it was very briefly seen in Rise of the Planet of the Apes? It looked to me at first glance very much like a conventional space shuttle. Then I got the impression of something more triangular like the X-33 "Venture Star" single stage to orbit vehicle attached to conventional shuttle boosters and main tank.
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Looks like they used stock footage of a shuttle launch.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "richard.sprague" <richardsprague@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have a drawing, photo, or some other image of the Icarus as it was very briefly seen in Rise of the Planet of the Apes? It looked to me at first glance very much like a conventional space shuttle. Then I got the impression of something more triangular like the X-33 "Venture Star" single stage to orbit vehicle attached to conventional shuttle boosters and main tank.
> Richard
>

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Agree!. What was the reason except to honor for special screenings of POTA68 the Film restoration-(Sound still wasnt talked about much from that restoration house and to me thats where POTA68 is lacking most)-if not for bluray transfers and make some more money for Fox. I ofcourse would like to see them all restored film wise and with the money Rise made and the perceived money any sequels will make it should be done, by the way the isolated scores are the ones that should of been used for the movie elements on the bluray, they have no reverb esp, Conquest and are powerfull sounding.
Over at Heritage auctions where I talk with some buyers and sellers about my posters lobbies blackand whites etc. prices have gone through the roof since the Rise sucsess. For all ape products not just POTA68. I have almost every size shape poster and every lobby in two sizes, blah, blah and I wanted to know what they would give me. I dont want to piece meal my collection- its all or nothing- so my position is tenuous. They want me to mail them my collection or make photos of all I got and put them on consignment, give me a break that would take all year for me to do even if I still had the equipment and computer know how. I just said rather silly, send a person up to new york take the price of the airplane off of what you would offer and lets deal. My stuff is perfect, no pin holes creases except folds from National screen service, corners perfect etc, in other words perfect A-1.
Pota68 one sheet is SOLD for about 750-1100 at Heritage BEFORE Rise now the prices are around 1700-2000 dollars SOLD. My collection through no great investment strategy just love of Apes is worth at the Sold price about 60 grand now atleast and because of retirement and medical, I would sell for about 30-40 grand. They would offer about at last talking 15 grand. They want huge profits and I feel I just want a fair market price.
The reason for this collection talk was not to brag at all, their are people here and other places that have much fuller -dolls etc- collections but to show what a good movie in a tired franchise can do for your collections. I dont want to sell but the cost of living might make me think again. I wanted to give it to my son when I pass.
Anyway thanks for letting me go on again and waste bytes of space, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> RISE continues to glow. Remember the downer after the intial splurge with Burton's Apes---audience figures fell off a cliff and critics savaged it.RISE has serious legs and the critics love it! I kind of feel us Apes fans are a bit like the abused Chimps freed after 30 years--we almost need to re-learn how to be happy and enjoy stuff after decades of misery.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> The only misery I've experienced is that Burton fiasco, but back last century, before POTA's 30th Anniversary, I sure felt APES got the crappy end of the stick from Fox. Now look at its position at the studio. Who'd have thunk it?
>
> I sure hope there's a new remastered Blu-ray of the original when RISE comes out. I'd feel a lot better knowing PLANET is now looking its best.
>
> I don't know about RISE coming out on Blu-ray by November though. Doesn't it open in Japan in October? I would imagine that Fox will want to milk as much as they can out of the theatrical showings, though they sure have put X-MEN: FIRST CLASS out fast, but maybe that movie doesn't have the legs RISE seems to have?
>
> -- Rory
>

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Top Grossing Films of 1968 (U.S.)

 

1. Funny Girl                                              $26,325,000

 

2. 2001: A Space Odyssey                    $25,522,000

 

3. Bullitt                                                       $20,000,000

 

4. Romeo & Juliet                                    $19,000,000

 

5. Rosemary's Baby                                 $17,437,000

 

6. Oliver!                                                      $16,800,000

 

7. Planet of the Apes                              $15,000,000

 

8. Yours, Mine, and Ours                     $15,000,000

 

9. The Thomas Crown Affair               $11,639,000

 

10. The Lion in Winter                           $10,006,000

 

 

They may be padded.  It's hard to believe that a movie's

grosses would come out to $20 million exactly.  And if

both POTA and Yours, Mine and Ours came out to be

$15 million exactly, how in the world did they pick

which one is #6 & which is #7?  But I got these

totals from the Wiki, so they "must be true."

 

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Interesting! How does one reconcile that, though, with what BoxOfficeMojo says here?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes.htm

Perhaps re-releases were considered for that website's $32 million figure. But I wasn't aware of any major re-release after 1968, and it'd have to have been major to have more than doubled its 1968 intake.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> Top Grossing Films of 1968 (U.S.)
>
> 1. Funny Girl $26,325,000
>
> 2. 2001: A Space Odyssey $25,522,000
>
> 3. Bullitt
> $20,000,000
>
> 4. Romeo & Juliet $19,000,000
>
> 5. Rosemary's Baby $17,437,000
>
> 6. Oliver!
> $16,800,000
>
> 7. Planet of the Apes $15,000,000
>
> 8. Yours, Mine, and Ours $15,000,000
>
> 9. The Thomas Crown Affair $11,639,000
>
> 10. The Lion in Winter $10,006,000
>
>
> They may be padded. It's hard to believe that a movie's
> grosses would come out to $20 million exactly. And if
> both POTA and Yours, Mine and Ours came out to be
> $15 million exactly, how in the world did they pick
> which one is #6 & which is #7? But I got these
> totals from the Wiki, so they "must be true."
>

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Personally I dont believe much of these statistics. One Jerry Anderson who started my love of Conquest by sending me 19 Black and white stills talked to my father at length in 1973 just before he was fired or moved and he had told my father that numbers are lots of crap-his word- and studios pad deduct do whatever they have to by tax time. Its not done on such a vile level and most of those numbers are close but what he told my father in Febuary 1973 that the 4 apes films so far have grossed in North America about 65 million and then talking to other people I got to know at Fox during my college years have the Apes films after the two Go Apes fest of 1973(Unofficial) and 1974 had the total, around by the time they were sold to CBS, which could of been padded to make a good sale to the network, at about 155 million dollars North America. Their were re-releases, double bills, all types of combos and double features where you can if so inclined put the monies with either feature. Its a very flexible numbers business, atleast at that time. Finnaly I was told that worldwide the original 5 Planet of the Apes films by 1976 made about 300 million worldwide without any inflation adjustments. These figures I believe because they were given to me back at the time with fresh memories and little good or bad motivations. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Top Grossing Films of 1968 (U.S.)
>
> 1. Funny Girl $26,325,000
>
> 2. 2001: A Space Odyssey $25,522,000
>
> 3. Bullitt $20,000,000
>
> 4. Romeo & Juliet $19,000,000
>
> 5. Rosemary's Baby $17,437,000
>
> 6. Oliver! $16,800,000
>
> 7. Planet of the Apes $15,000,000
>
> 8. Yours, Mine, and Ours $15,000,000
>
> 9. The Thomas Crown Affair $11,639,000
>
> 10. The Lion in Winter $10,006,000
>
>
> They may be padded. It's hard to believe that a movie's
> grosses would come out to $20 million exactly. And if
> both POTA and Yours, Mine and Ours came out to be
> $15 million exactly, how in the world did they pick
> which one is #6 & which is #7? But I got these
> totals from the Wiki, so they "must be true."
>
> Somewhere in the universe I have something I clipped from a 1969 World Almanac that listed the top grossers of '68, but my recollection is pretty close to what you got from Wiki.
>
> By the way, according to Box Office Mojo, the domestic gross for PLANET, not adjusted for inflation, but what it's accumulated in the past 43 years, is $32,589,624. Worldwide gross is not available from Fox.
>
> By comparison, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is $56,954,992.
>
> BULLITT is not available, but I've read elsewhere that it's suspected to be up near $100 Mill! FUNNY GIRL is now over $52 Million. Information on ROSEMARY'S BABY is not available, but I'll bet it's in the $50 Mill range.
>
> -- Rory
>

Seeing 2001 in the cenema twice these statistics dont tell you how many people walked out, and their were plenty. I remember one guy and girl stumbling down the aile saying "if I wanted a Downer to get sleep I would of went to the drug store, Bye". I concured but admired 2001 anyway.John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Top Grossing Films of 1968 (U.S.)
>
> 1. Funny Girl $26,325,000
>
> 2. 2001: A Space Odyssey $25,522,000
>
> 3. Bullitt $20,000,000
>
> 4. Romeo & Juliet $19,000,000
>
> 5. Rosemary's Baby $17,437,000
>
> 6. Oliver! $16,800,000
>
> 7. Planet of the Apes $15,000,000
>
> 8. Yours, Mine, and Ours $15,000,000
>
> 9. The Thomas Crown Affair $11,639,000
>
> 10. The Lion in Winter $10,006,000
>
>
> They may be padded. It's hard to believe that a movie's
> grosses would come out to $20 million exactly. And if
> both POTA and Yours, Mine and Ours came out to be
> $15 million exactly, how in the world did they pick
> which one is #6 & which is #7? But I got these
> totals from the Wiki, so they "must be true."
>
> Somewhere in the universe I have something I clipped from a 1969 World Almanac that listed the top grossers of '68, but my recollection is pretty close to what you got from Wiki.
>
> By the way, according to Box Office Mojo, the domestic gross for PLANET, not adjusted for inflation, but what it's accumulated in the past 43 years, is $32,589,624. Worldwide gross is not available from Fox.
>
> By comparison, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is $56,954,992.
>
> BULLITT is not available, but I've read elsewhere that it's suspected to be up near $100 Mill! FUNNY GIRL is now over $52 Million. Information on ROSEMARY'S BABY is not available, but I'll bet it's in the $50 Mill range.
>
> -- Rory
>

Thanks for that news. I wasn't aware of the re-releases. Then again, I wasn't born until after POTA 1968 was completed, either. Either way, I'm glad to see it made the Top 10 in 1968, as Rise is doing now.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Interesting! How does one reconcile that, though, with what BoxOfficeMojo says here?
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
>
> Perhaps re-releases were considered for that website's $32 million figure. But I wasn't aware of any major re-release after 1968, and it'd have to have been major to have more than doubled its 1968 intake.
>
>
>
>
> What you talkin' 'bout?!!!!
>
> I saw PLANET in a 1969 reissue, again in a 1971 reissue (with BENEATH), it was reissued in 1973 with BATTLE and other APES sequels, and then as the "Go Ape" reissue in 1974.
>
> -- Rory
>

I cant believe that Bullit could of been around 100 million at that on source that was quated. even some of these are toughon me. These were the years that hollywood was dying but these totals adjusted for inflation or not would be the equivalent of today atleast. Like I posted figures before the mid 70s are peculiar and questionable. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
>
> Seeing 2001 in the cenema twice these statistics dont tell you how many people walked out, and their were plenty. I remember one guy and girl stumbling down the aile saying "if I wanted a Downer to get sleep I would of went to the drug store, Bye". I concured but admired 2001 anyway.John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Top Grossing Films of 1968 (U.S.)
> >
> > 1. Funny Girl $26,325,000
> >
> > 2. 2001: A Space Odyssey $25,522,000
> >
> > 3. Bullitt $20,000,000
> >
> > 4. Romeo & Juliet $19,000,000
> >
> > 5. Rosemary's Baby $17,437,000
> >
> > 6. Oliver! $16,800,000
> >
> > 7. Planet of the Apes $15,000,000
> >
> > 8. Yours, Mine, and Ours $15,000,000
> >
> > 9. The Thomas Crown Affair $11,639,000
> >
> > 10. The Lion in Winter $10,006,000
> >
> >
> > They may be padded. It's hard to believe that a movie's
> > grosses would come out to $20 million exactly. And if
> > both POTA and Yours, Mine and Ours came out to be
> > $15 million exactly, how in the world did they pick
> > which one is #6 & which is #7? But I got these
> > totals from the Wiki, so they "must be true."
> >
> > Somewhere in the universe I have something I clipped from a 1969 World Almanac that listed the top grossers of '68, but my recollection is pretty close to what you got from Wiki.
> >
> > By the way, according to Box Office Mojo, the domestic gross for PLANET, not adjusted for inflation, but what it's accumulated in the past 43 years, is $32,589,624. Worldwide gross is not available from Fox.
> >
> > By comparison, 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY is $56,954,992.
> >
> > BULLITT is not available, but I've read elsewhere that it's suspected to be up near $100 Mill! FUNNY GIRL is now over $52 Million. Information on ROSEMARY'S BABY is not available, but I'll bet it's in the $50 Mill range.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
>

Fox bragged during the release of POTA2001 that POTA made over $ 100 million in merchandising. That's quite a lot for the '70's.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: If only we could see a list of 1968's top performers :-)



Personally I dont believe much of these statistics. One Jerry Anderson who started my love of Conquest by sending me 19 Black and white stills talked to my father at length in 1973 just before he was fired or moved and he had told my father that numbers are lots of crap-his word- and studios pad deduct do whatever they have to by tax time. Its not done on such a vile level and most of those numbers are close but what he told my father in Febuary 1973 that the 4 apes films so far have grossed in North America about 65 million and then talking to other people I got to know at Fox during my college years have the Apes films after the two Go Apes fest of 1973(Unofficial) and 1974 had the total, around by the time they were sold to CBS, which could of been padded to make a good sale to the network, at about 155 million dollars North America. Their were re-releases, double bills, all types of combos and double features where you can if so inclined put the monies with either feature. Its a very flexible numbers business, atleast at that time. Finnaly I was told that worldwide the original 5 Planet of the Apes films by 1976 made about 300 million worldwide without any inflation adjustments. These figures I believe because they were given to me back at the time with fresh memories and little good or bad motivations. Take care, John M.

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The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.

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So what your saying is Burtons film did 362 million by most charts and Rise has done ,SO FAR 374 million. Thats great news inflation or not. Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>

Bleeding Cool did some digging and found out there will be two commentaries when "Rise" hits DVD, one from the director and one from the writers (Fox's other prequel "X-Men: First Class" didn't have any commentaries). Like Lucy, they've got some 'splaining to do. There's also that "Apocalypse" enigma that they guess is an epilogue thingy, maybe a motion comic (BOOM?). I reckon the official announcement will be soon.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/09/11/what-is-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-apocalypse/

No. It will do $499 million and we will jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. I don't control the future, I just report it.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:19 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA2011's total$ rise






The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm




So, what do we think now? Will it make it to $500 Million?

5oo million seems alittle tough to reach. Japan as I see it is the last big market. The rest will be money from exsisting venues and that will slowely dry up by November the latest I would assume. Who knows?
By the way I was on a site ,sorry forgot, and it said the box set bluray of the POTA set of 2008 sold about 40,000 units as of august at an average price(remeber prices around the world are much higher)of 150 dollars for the box set becomes a 4.5 million dollar take. Not including individual Blurays, DVD, DVD Box sets. I guess thats good. I hope that restored POTA68 gets a bluray treatment . Box it with Rise as a two Pack. Anyway I thought Id pass it along. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> So, what do we think now? Will it make it to $500 Million?
>

Its made 375 million W.W. and still going so would you say that regardless of how the figures are played with, production and advertising, Rise has almost already finnanced two (2) sequels with the profits and wait for Japan. One sequels in the bag but I would like to see upper 400 to 500 million so the franchise could already pay for itself. Naive I know but thats why we are looking at financial figures, atleast I am, for the sequels. Take care again John M.

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It's a curious situation that "Rise of the POTA" has had a great run but has been dogged by two films for weeks now. On the foreign front, "The Smurfs" has been # 1 and "Rise" # 2 for 5 weeks straight.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3271&p=.htm

"Smurfs" has racked up $321 million on foreign shores while "Rise" is at $206 million. How dare they! If I saw a Smurf I would step on it! I don't care if it made my shoe blue.
Meanwhile, back home on the domestic front, "Rise" ($167 million) has made the Smurfs ($136 million) black and blue (but mostly blue) but of course has had to do si dough with "The Help" ($137 million) for weeks until recently. The $25 million budgeted "Help" might even outdo "Rise" in the U.S. (overseas so far it's done $3 million in it's limited release).
Of the 3, "Rise" is still king of the jungle in the U.S. but the foreign take of the little guys has given "The Smurfs" a hefty $457 million worldwide. "Rise" is at $374 million. Did I mention I hate Smurfs?
In short, those two films have been the Smurf in the ointment that have screwed with the late summer conquest of the POTA.

Rise may have only cost $93 million to produce:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

but marketing expenditures apparently were considerably more. I've done a cursory search on the internet for the figure tonight, and I turned up empty-handed. But I recall seeing here weeks ago that marketing costs were tens of millions more (maybe almost $50m)? Meanwhile, theaters keep a higher percentage, apparently as the weeks proceed. So I'm not yet relaxing regarding Rise's profitability. However, DVD sales & rentals could be good. At least for Rocky Balboa, such revenues were substantial:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm

I don't think we can count on BoxOfficeMojo's reporting too well about DVD rentals and sales this winter, though. That's not its focus.

Fingers crossed in Houston...

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>
> Its made 375 million W.W. and still going so would you say that regardless of how the figures are played with, production and advertising, Rise has almost already finnanced two (2) sequels with the profits and wait for Japan. One sequels in the bag but I would like to see upper 400 to 500 million so the franchise could already pay for itself. Naive I know but thats why we are looking at financial figures, atleast I am, for the sequels. Take care again John M.
>

I don't know if Fox made much money merchandising POTA 2001. By then, unlike during the early 1970's, the market was kinda saturated with toys and sci-fi memorabilia.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Fox bragged during the release of POTA2001 that POTA made over $ 100 million in merchandising. That's quite a lot for the '70's.
>
>

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Its like why even bother to give a production cost of 93 million if it cost almost double in reality. Give the right number and stop the customer from guessing. Its like everything else in life a bunch of double talk...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> Rise may have only cost $93 million to produce:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> but marketing expenditures apparently were considerably more. I've done a cursory search on the internet for the figure tonight, and I turned up empty-handed. But I recall seeing here weeks ago that marketing costs were tens of millions more (maybe almost $50m)? Meanwhile, theaters keep a higher percentage, apparently as the weeks proceed. So I'm not yet relaxing regarding Rise's profitability. However, DVD sales & rentals could be good. At least for Rocky Balboa, such revenues were substantial:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm
>
> I don't think we can count on BoxOfficeMojo's reporting too well about DVD rentals and sales this winter, though. That's not its focus.
>
> Fingers crossed in Houston...
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > Its made 375 million W.W. and still going so would you say that regardless of how the figures are played with, production and advertising, Rise has almost already finnanced two (2) sequels with the profits and wait for Japan. One sequels in the bag but I would like to see upper 400 to 500 million so the franchise could already pay for itself. Naive I know but thats why we are looking at financial figures, atleast I am, for the sequels. Take care again John M.
> >
>

All these money figures have got me looking back to a much simplier time. Back in 72 when I saw Conquest at the Brentwood Theater Long Island NY in late summer it was "companioned featered" with "The Hot Rock". That was a great caper film with Robert Redford and George Segal, Zero Mostel and many other great NY character actors. Conquest was backed by an adult movie and I remember the audience filled with older customer atleast 60+ enjoying both films immensely. Just watching the Hot Rock on cable and it bought back great memmories. Apes always had a large adult audience. Shame that Battle and the TV series dumbed it down and the Apes almost never recovered. Take care, John M." Afgahnistan Bananastand" from The Hot Rock 1972....

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No. It will do $499 million and we will jump off the Golden Gate Bridge. I don't control the future, I just report it.
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:19 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: POTA2011's total$ rise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
>
>
>
> So, what do we think now? Will it make it to $500 Million?
>

Fox does not put out any merchandizing themselves. They only sell the
licenses to the companies that do put out the goodies. So, in effect,
they cannot 'lose' anything and will always make some money regardless
if the product was successful or not. But when sales are not good, there
is a backlash from the producers who get burned. They ones that put out
2001 merchandise generally did lose money and you can bet that they were
not standing in line to get licensing this time around. And word gets
around in the industry as to what was or was not successful, so even
companies that did not get on the POTA 2001 wagon know that sales were
not good. So indirectly Fox is impacted by the loss of future licensing
prospects.

I'm kind of interested to see now that the movie was a success what
merchandise if any will be produced. So far, it looks bare.
Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
Date: Sunday, September 11, 2011 10:47 pm
Subject: [pota] POTA 2001 merchandising made $ for Fox?

> I don't know if Fox made much money merchandising POTA 2001. By
> then, unlike during the early 1970's, the market was kinda
> saturated with toys and sci-fi memorabilia.
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
> >
> > Fox bragged during the release of POTA2001 that POTA made over
> $ 100 million in merchandising. That's quite a lot for the '70's.
> >
> >
>

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William these are great photos!!

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dear group, i found some neat photos showing john chambers with maurice evans as dr zauis and a 1969 ad from fox on chambers getting the best makeup award for planet. from william burge

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There's a new Paul ("Virgil") Williams documentary that screened at the Toronto Film Festival. Here's a review. I wish I could've traveled faster than light to Toronto to see the movie then returned faster than light on the previous Wednesday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE2m355-JRo

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37 years ago. Wow!

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I'm just waiting for Japan in October.

They are huge apes fans and should

put it over the half billion mark, easily.

 

 

In a message dated 9/11/2011 2:34:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6 this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200 million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million worldwide.

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In the poll 65% want to see a sequel.

 

 

In a message dated 9/12/2011 5:02:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

 

Rise may have only cost $93 million to produce:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

but marketing expenditures apparently were considerably more. I've done a cursory search on the internet for the figure tonight, and I turned up empty-handed. But I recall seeing here weeks ago that marketing costs were tens of millions more (maybe almost $50m)? Meanwhile, theaters keep a higher percentage, apparently as the weeks proceed. So I'm not yet relaxing regarding Rise's profitability. However, DVD sales & rentals could be good. At least for Rocky Balboa, such revenues were substantial:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm

I don't think we can count on BoxOfficeMojo's reporting too well about DVD rentals and sales this winter, though. That's not its focus.

Fingers crossed in Houston...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Its made 375 million W.W. and still going so would you say that regardless of how the figures are played with, production and advertising, Rise has almost already finnanced two (2) sequels with the profits and wait for Japan. One sequels in the bag but I would like to see upper 400 to 500 million so the franchise could already pay for itself. Naive I know but thats why we are looking at financial figures, atleast I am, for the sequels. Take care again John M.
>

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I saw him on Huckabee the other day.

I'd love to see his movie.

 

In a message dated 9/12/2011 6:14:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

There's a new Paul ("Virgil") Williams documentary that screened at the Toronto Film Festival.

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William, those are gorgeous.I'm always struck by how natural and real the original make-up was.I watched the youtube clip of Paul Williams singing as Virgil last week and it just works perfectly as an orang crooning, because the make-up is so brilliant.One of the big downers of cgi is that we won't have an archive of candid, fun, behind the scenes japes like this.Thanks for sharing! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Burge
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:02 AM
> Subject: Fw: john chambers photos
>
>
> dear group, i found some neat photos showing john chambers with maurice evans as dr zauis and a 1969 ad from fox on chambers getting the best makeup award for planet. from william burge
>

I remember waiting all day long on this day back in 1974 just for the first episode to start. I sure was dissapointed 13 weeks later when they took it off. I know they will never do it but it sure would have been nice to see a reunion movie of the series to visit Alan, Pete, and Galen and see where their adventures had led them. I sure am thankful though for all of you who have the ablility to write "new" and continued adventures of the trio!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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I remember being angry the show was cancelled. I wouldn't even watch the cartoon. I had the attitude some have today about the CG. You took away the makeups, I'm not going to watch your damn cartoon.


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I remember waiting all day long on this day back in 1974 just for the first episode to start. I sure was dissapointed 13 weeks later when they took it off. I know they will never do it but it sure would have been nice to see a reunion movie of the series to visit Alan, Pete, and Galen and see where their adventures had led them. I sure am thankful though for all of you who have the ablility to write "new" and continued adventures of the trio!

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It's worth looking at how things have gone for rise in nearby South Korea:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=riseoftheapes.htm

South Korea has less than half of Japan's population, but a comparable amount of per capita income and love of technology.
Incidentally, I bet the Japanese will welcome the sense of armageddon's emerging NOT from nuclear bombings but instead from the biotech realm. It's more conducive to escapism for those comparatively nuclear-ravaged folks... Terminator 2 disturbed some from there, to give you an idea.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> I'm just waiting for Japan in October.
> They are huge apes fans and should
> put it over the half billion mark, easily.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/11/2011 2:34:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
> The latest domestic and foreign numbers are in. "Rise of the POTA" was # 6
> this weekend in the U.S. with $167 million domestic. It passed the $ 200
> million mark overseas for $206 million, with a grand total of $374 million
> worldwide.
>

Coincidentally enough, sequels TEND to make 2/3's of what their predecessors made. At least that was the case years ago, before Terminator 2's mega-budget started inspiring other studios to spend more, not less (Beneath the POTA-style) on sequels.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> In the poll 65% want to see a sequel.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/12/2011 5:02:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> georgetaylor68@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> Rise may have only cost $93 million to produce:
>
> _http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm_
> (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm)
>
> but marketing expenditures apparently were considerably more. I've done a
> cursory search on the internet for the figure tonight, and I turned up
> empty-handed. But I recall seeing here weeks ago that marketing costs were tens
> of millions more (maybe almost $50m)? Meanwhile, theaters keep a higher
> percentage, apparently as the weeks proceed. So I'm not yet relaxing
> regarding Rise's profitability. However, DVD sales & rentals could be good. At
> least for Rocky Balboa, such revenues were substantial:
>
> _http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm_
> (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=homevideo&id=rocky6.htm)
>
> I don't think we can count on BoxOfficeMojo's reporting too well about DVD
> rentals and sales this winter, though. That's not its focus.
>
> Fingers crossed in Houston...
>
> --- In _pota@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com) , "JohnM
> conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > Its made 375 million W.W. and still going so would you say that
> regardless of how the figures are played with, production and advertising, Rise has
> almost already finnanced two (2) sequels with the profits and wait for
> Japan. One sequels in the bag but I would like to see upper 400 to 500 million
> so the franchise could already pay for itself. Naive I know but thats why
> we are looking at financial figures, atleast I am, for the sequels. Take
> care again John M.
> >
>

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That may be, but the Japanese despite their monetary problems,

likely have more disposable income. And 1 South Korean won

is only equal to .07 yen.  That's why The Simpsons in animated

in South Korea, in spite of all the anime produced in Japan.

 

 

In a message dated 9/13/2011 2:16:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

South Korea has less than half of Japan's population, but a comparable amount of per capita income and love of technology.

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Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.

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I ordered mine from Amazon.com, and got it very quickly.  It's the Varese release, too.  Try Amazon and see if it's still listed.

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

 

In a message dated 9/13/2011 18:49:07 Eastern Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.
>

I bought mine and Barnes and Noble a week after it came out, they had 12 of them. Thats news to me your misfortune, good luck Jeff, John M.

Cool! I'll just get it somewhere else then.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:05 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" soundtrack

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>
> Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.
>

I bought mine and Barnes and Noble a week after it came out, they had 12 of them. Thats news to me your misfortune, good luck Jeff, John M.

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Amazon announced delays and then mine turned up the next day.It's definitely worth getting---tracks 5,6 and 24 are some of my favourite Apes music and the track 'Cookies' just seems to full of Ape-vibe and momentum that I want it played at my funeral.It's a wonderful soundtrack for a wonderful film, so I hope everyone gets it without too much hasslE.The general lack of merchandise (NO NOVEL??!! NO TRADING CARDS!!??) has spoiled my fun.A lot.It's a real gap.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.
>

I was on the toilet reading a guidebook for New York.The two are in no way connected and it is not a criticism of the Big Apple--it was either that or Venice.I saw that Manhattan has a Museum of Television and Radio,with a compuerised, vieweable, archive of every US TV show. I was wondering if, just possibly, it might contain the version of The Interrogation that Bill Blake was in.He was getting residuals in the 70s and the suggestion is that his version might have been shown in Europe.It's a longshot, but maybe it's in the archive? Bill's scene with Lee Delano sounded interesting--it would be cool to find it!I do my best work and thinking on the bog. John, Scrolls.

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Total Film mag for October gives RISE 4 out of 5 stars and concludes with the quote 'By putting the Apes firmly at the heart of their own franchise,Wyatt has given a moribund property a whole new lease of life'.Not sure we were 'moribund', but I get the sentiment.
The BIG news, however, in Total Film is that Jenny Agutter will play a 'council member' in The Avengers movie next year.Jenny.Whimper.Agutter.Whimper.Suited up.Whimper.Be authoritative.Whimper.Must....be...patient.....must think only good thoughts.....AAAARRRHHHHHGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> That may be, but the Japanese despite their monetary problems,
> likely have more disposable income. And 1 South Korean won
> is only equal to .07 yen. That's why The Simpsons in animated
> in South Korea, in spite of all the anime produced in Japan.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 9/13/2011 2:16:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> georgetaylor68@... writes:
>
> South Korea has less than half of Japan's population, but a comparable
> amount of per capita income and love of technology.
>

People seem surprised by how far "Rise of the POTA" has traveled on the box office road but it's interesting who it meets on the journey. "Rise" isn't even Freida Pinto's biggest hit yet. That would be Fox's "Slumdog Millionaire", which made $377 million worldwide. To date, "Rise" has made $374 million ww, so I guess it's about to reach another milestone.

I agree with you 100%, John. Tracks 5,6 and 24 are also my favorites, and a worthy addition to the POTA soundtrack history. Now I would like to listen to all three tracks while stolling through the real Muir Woods National Monument.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> Amazon announced delays and then mine turned up the next day.It's definitely worth getting---tracks 5,6 and 24 are some of my favourite Apes music and the track 'Cookies' just seems to full of Ape-vibe and momentum that I want it played at my funeral.It's a wonderful soundtrack for a wonderful film, so I hope everyone gets it without too much hasslE.The general lack of merchandise (NO NOVEL??!! NO TRADING CARDS!!??) has spoiled my fun.A lot.It's a real gap.John, Scrolls.
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
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> > Does anyone have the soundtrack for "Rise of the POTA"? I've been waiting a month for my local store to get it in and they told me today that Varese Sarabande has decided not to release it because of a snag of some sort. But I don't see any indication of that on Amazon or Varese's website.
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The company that gave us those great POTA sequel soundtracks is shuttering it's output after their 250th release in 2012 (10 more to be announced). Nothing lasts forever but there will be tears in the soundtrack world tonight.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/51196

Their online issue is about Patrick Doyle and Rise. The big news is Lukas Kendall is closing down the shop and thats a shame. In addition of making half the Apes Cds they made movies available to fans that would never be made on conventional studio productions. I say Good Luck to L.K. and I hope him the best and thankyou for the Apes Cds. John M.

Yes, Jenny may now be what we gently call a 'borderline boiler' nowadays, but have a care good sir--that's my future wife you're talking about, and I will brook no insults towards fair Jenny. John, Scrolls.

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> Total Film mag for October gives RISE 4 out of 5 stars and concludes with the quote 'By putting the Apes firmly at the heart of their own franchise,Wyatt has given a moribund property a whole new lease of life'.Not sure we were 'moribund', but I get the sentiment.
> The BIG news, however, in Total Film is that Jenny Agutter will play a 'council member' in The Avengers movie next year.Jenny.Whimper.Agutter.Whimper.Suited up.Whimper.Be authoritative.Whimper.Must....be...patient.....must think only good thoughts.....AAAARRRHHHHHGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!!! John,Scrolls.
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Funny you said that. I thought it souded like a distorted James Earl Jones. It would of been a good sybolizism to have a African american voice but you ofcourse know the flip side of this argument. All types of prejudicial remarks would have been elicited. I just associated it to the plight the Black man has had in America but their would of been remarks like the guards questioning each other in Conquest when McDonald told them to knock it off and stop beating the chimp Aldo. Thats why I like Conquest so much , it bought out our prejudices to the surface and hense made the revolt that more satisfying, like in Rise. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
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> Funny thing - I was sitting on the toilet the other day too and it just came to me - why did they make Caesar sound like he was black?  I mean, my first reaction when he first said, "No", was to laugh - which I did.  I should have been caught up in the drama of his treatment, but instead his vocal outcry of self awareness presented itself more like a scene from THE COLOR PURPLE with the excised expletive  of "Bitch!" at the end.  I don't want to even get into the whole, "Caesar home now." thing, and how the final tree scene looked more like the beginning of a video game. Or how James Franco has the kind of mouth that elicits a punch.
> May be it's because I grew up with apes, albeit, actors in make-up, but stage actors, and thespians with real acting experience and a wealth of background - not to mention a command of the English language. Â I realize the situation within the narrative changes how the character will annunciate, but there are so many ways the same line can be vocalized. Â I just didn't expect to laugh.Â
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Don't be so touchy, Mr. Bosco ...All of us were slaves once, in one sense of the word or another.
I just thought of it as a raspy voice because his vocal cords were so new. And it seems to have had the biggest impact of any scene in the movie, even with the "damn dirty ape" line as a segue.
I loved the ending, even with it's problems. And let's face it, the schedule put their backs against the wall. They did a great job with the time and budget.


From: scott bosco
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 6:36 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Longshot City




Funny thing - I was sitting on the toilet the other day too and it just came to me - why did they make Caesar sound like he was black? I mean, my first reaction when he first said, "No", was to laugh - which I did. I should have been caught up in the drama of his treatment, but instead his vocal outcry of self awareness presented itself more like a scene from THE COLOR PURPLE with the excised expletive of "Bitch!" at the end. I don't want to even get into the whole, "Caesar home now." thing, and how the final tree scene looked more like the beginning of a video game. Or how James Franco has the kind of mouth that elicits a punch.
May be it's because I grew up with apes, albeit, actors in make-up, but stage actors, and thespians with real acting experience and a wealth of background - not to mention a command of the English language. I realize the situation within the narrative changes how the character will annunciate, but there are so many ways the same line can be vocalized. I just didn't expect to laugh.
-Scott B.



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From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 5:44 AM
Subject: [pota] Longshot City



I was on the toilet reading a guidebook for New York.The two are in no way connected and it is not a criticism of the Big Apple--it was either that or Venice.I saw that Manhattan has a Museum of Television and Radio,with a compuerised, vieweable, archive of every US TV show. I was wondering if, just possibly, it might contain the version of The Interrogation that Bill Blake was in.He was getting residuals in the 70s and the suggestion is that his version might have been shown in Europe.It's a longshot, but maybe it's in the archive? Bill's scene with Lee Delano sounded interesting--it would be cool to find it!I do my best work and thinking on the bog. John, Scrolls.

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