--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> It was Spain.
> - Scott B.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Doyle also gets a DVD extra on the "Rise" blu-ray, as well as on the "Thor" one. And a Pixar movie next year. It's his moment.
>
>
> From: johnroche49
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 2:01 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Film Score Monthly soundtracks
>
>
>
> Patrick Doyle's RISE score gets 4 out of 5 stars in this month's Total Film---desevedly so, imho, as it's an excellent accompaniment to an excellent film! John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@> wrote:
> >
> > It was Spain.
> > - Scott B.
> >
> >
>

Have you tried looking for an Italian movie site? It may have the numbers.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Anyone know why the Opening Weekend
> numbers from Italy are taking so long?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Since the death of Jerry Goldsmith movies have never sounded the same. Â I was very surprised by THOR, the film. Â Although it was better than I expected the music is.... dull. Â I watched the bonus materials on the Blu-ray and there was a segment on the music of the film, composed by Patrick Doyle. Â It was a short and uninteresting piece but even worse it showed footage from one of the scoring sessions. Â Hearing the music in the film is has a muted quality lacking power and zing. Â I just assumed it was the mix and that it was covered by sound effects - no. Â It's almost as if what was written was just orchestrated badly. Â The tune is "okay" but lacks power and "umph". Â
> I still feel the final cue in RISE in the woods is toooo LION KING; and adding drums to ape running amok is overly obvious and simplistic. Â The original POTA scores each had unique sounds or themes. Â I think the composers of years previous where more experimental and more educated in music from various eras and were forces to be more creative with standard and various instruments; while using electronic sounds to complement the mix not overtake it. Â They were forced to find different and natural ways to create a sonic atmosphere representative of the film. Â Most of all, through their talent they created a true "3 dimension" via sound that completed the realism to accept the visual and be pulled in to it's experience.
>
> It doesn't make me feel old in missing this... it makes me feel lucky that I lived in a time when this was a given, just part of the movie going experience. Â I went to the theater and saw movies when there were real giants.
>
> -Scott B.Â
>
>
>

>I'm still heart broken at the lack of novels, trading cards and action >figures--there's an enormous void of a nerd-hole in my life that needs >filling.

> That said I'm surprised there's been no 'making of' coffee table book or even a special issue of Cinefex (Is that still going?)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Wow, I'm on fire today!
>
> Another, slightly different, Blu-ray special feature list...
>
> <http://hcc.techradar.com/playback/blu-ray/damned-dirty-apes-reimagining-getting-ready-rise-blu-ray-december-29-09-11>
>
> I bet the US version will be region locked and far superior to what we get in the UK.
>
> Cynical Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

>I'm still heart broken at the lack of novels, trading cards and action >figures--there's an enormous void of a nerd-hole in my life that needs >filling.

Greg could make a better set of trading cards than Fox but action figures? Not these characters! Will Rodman in lab coat + pen and clip board accessories. Dodge + Cattle prod. Maurice + small stick.

There are posters out there, a note book + pen. A Blackberry phone cover(?!) I'm not really sure what other kind of merchandise this film could generate. That said I'm surprised there's been no 'making of' coffee table book or even a special issue of Cinefex (Is that still going?)

A series of Weta 1/4 scale resin busts of the lead Ape characters, like their Lord of the Rings merchandise would be nice and with the computer models already there pretty easy to produce I'd imagine.

But yes, a novelization would be nice and a perfect opportunity to fill in the blanks.

What else would we buy?

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
>
> >I'm still heart broken at the lack of novels, trading cards and action >figures--there's an enormous void of a nerd-hole in my life that needs >filling.
>
> Greg could make a better set of trading cards than Fox but action figures? Not these characters! Will Rodman in lab coat + pen and clip board accessories. Dodge + Cattle prod. Maurice + small stick.
>
> There are posters out there, a note book + pen. A Blackberry phone cover(?!) I'm not really sure what other kind of merchandise this film could generate. That said I'm surprised there's been no 'making of' coffee table book or even a special issue of Cinefex (Is that still going?)
>
> A series of Weta 1/4 scale resin busts of the lead Ape characters, like their Lord of the Rings merchandise would be nice and with the computer models already there pretty easy to produce I'd imagine.
>
> But yes, a novelization would be nice and a perfect opportunity to fill in the blanks.
>
> What else would we buy?
>
> Dave
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, Cinefex will feature "Rise" in their next issue. My local Barnes and Noble carries it.
> I'd like a 2012 calendar, please (but it doesn't look like it will happen; just the flops like "Green Lantern" and "Cowboys and Aliens" get one).
>
>

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>
>
>
>
> thedigitalbits.com has a blurb about Rises release. No news yet as to when POTA68 film resoration will be available-if and when. Like Rory said , a film restoration like the IVC-Blackmagic one cant just be for the occasional theater presentation. A 2-Pack of both films would be a very wise move by Fox and make a great seller even better. Blu-ray ofcourse. Take care, John M.
>
>
>
>
>
> The editor there, Bill Hunt, hasn't mentioned it, but I emailed him and he told me he thought RISE was excellent, better than he'd imagined. I think I'll email him again with that link to the IVC-Blackmagic restoration of the original and see if he can ask Fox about it. I think a two-pack Blu-ray of RISE and a remastered PLANET would be great. Knowing Fox, they'll probably do that with the Burton movie.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> I was thinking of the two key elements I want to see at some stage in RISE 2.It really boils down to 'leather and glyphs'.I want some classic look again.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
> Something similar but not exactly the same. One of the ridiculous things in BATTLE was the apes wearing the same outfits they'd sport two thousand years later. Kind of silly.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> The magnificently restored Ben-Hur will be screened by the Film Society of Lincoln Center in New York on the morning of October 1. The film will be introduced by Fraser Heston, son of Charlton Heston, and Catherine Wyler, daughter of director William Wyler.
>
> http://www.filmlinc.com/films/on-sale/ben-hur
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So, has "Rise of the POTA" helped Rupert Wyatt's career at all? Well... he's on the short list with such blockbuster maestros as Christopher Nolan (the "Dark Knight" flicks), Michael Bay (the "Transformers" money printing system) and Alfonso Cuaron (he did a "Harry Potter" flick) to revisit Rod Serling's seminal "Twilight Zone" (there will only be one director unlike the previous, infamous TZ movie). The article notes that Wyatt is not yet signed for another "Apes" (better grab him, Fox).
>
> http://collider.com/twilight-zone-christopher-nolan-michael-bay/117999/
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> This weekend in Orlando, Fla. NASA and DARPA (no word on ANSA) are talking how to achieve interstellar travel in the next 100 years. Just sayin'.
> It seemed so much easier when Taylor did it.
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44732657/?gt1=43001
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> The numbers are in from the Italian opening weekend.
> $1,662,113. Not the 3 mil. Smurfs did, but still double
> what Carnage did in the number 3 spot. With some
> good word of mouth maybe it will over take Smurfs
> this weekend. I'm hoping better for Japan on the 8th.
>
>
>
> I have a feeling RISE is going to be very popular in Japan, much more than in China.
>
> -- Rory
>

>>I wont start ad nasuem but one simple test is listen to the chimps

>>The Lawgiver scene is still a mismash but better than the Playhouse

>>The Playhouse Tapes sounded Bad for Planet and Beneath but Good for

>>Im sorry, their is so much more, with bad slnc sound and fades with

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> By the way On Bill Mayer on HBO described the political movement of the Democrates to Rise of the Apes and it was a quick line buried in a fast diatribe but I caught it. Funny...Take Care, John M.
>
>
>
>
>
> That was Bill Maher on HBO's "Politically Incorrect" last Friday night, but it had nothing to do with Democrats. Again, it was a comparison to the Tea Party movement and of them being such boneheads that their rise is like a Rise of the Apes, the apes being intellectually backward Americans.
>
> You know I catch all this because me and LordT, we watch MSNBC all the time.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> >>I wont start ad nasuem but one simple test is listen to the chimps
> getting thrown into the cages while protesting-all you here loudly or
> mostly are their voices. The HBO/Max version and the Magnetic version has
> the sound effects properly done and the cage closings properly done. The
> cage closings on the Playhouse ,I think till one of the latest DVD
> versions were totaly missing and then they slowely were heard but with
> most EFX missing or recemtly foleyed in. <<
>
> To the best of my knowledge, that scene was completely corrected/restored
> on the Blu-ray.
>
>
> >>The Lawgiver scene is still a mismash but better than the Playhouse
> which had the sound EFXs heard about 5 seconds later and very quitly. <<
>
> That seemed to be improved with the 'Planet of the Apes Collection' VHS
> releases in 1990 and even more so with the 30th Anniversary VHS releases
> in 1998. It's *close* on the new Blu-ray, but still not 100% to the
> original. The roar of the fire and the screams of the gorillas still
> sounds a little thin.
>
>
> >>The Playhouse Tapes sounded Bad for Planet and Beneath but Good for
> Escape,Conquest and Battle. <<
>
> I was working in a video store back in 1985 when the Playhouse tapes came
> out, and we had one of the VCRs hooked up through a receiver. I remember
> noticing how good the background noises in BATTLE always came through,
> which is why I thought they made a big deal about the "Hi-Fi" audio mix.
>
>
> >>Im sorry, their is so much more, with bad slnc sound and fades with
> almost all the sequels, Planet68(always sounded crappy/distorted) was
> slightly corrected but the music is not at the right vomume. Ill say it
> again and again, watch the HBO/Max versions an all Apes, they are RIGHT
> <<
>
> I'd be curious to watch them sometimes, but since I get the Digest
> version of the list I always find out about the airings the day after.
> Out of curiosity, is the version of BATTLE shown on HBO/Max the
> theatrical version or the extended one?
>
>
> Chris L.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The weekly box office of "Rise of the POTA" becomes less and less awesome. It made about $7 million worldwide since last week, bringing it to $409 million. Getting to $ half a billion will be a struggle. Next weekend it takes Japan and that's all she wrote.
> This week it passed "X-Men 2" and "Signs", but it still has yet to beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, "Terminator 3" or even "The Exorcist". Box office is a crazy thing.
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>

They've been showing the theatrical version. Seems only the FOX Movie Channel has the extended version.

And for all digest members, you can check the group's calendar to find out about all upcoming airings of the films: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/cal.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
>
> I'd be curious to watch them sometimes, but since I get the Digest
> version of the list I always find out about the airings the day after.
> Out of curiosity, is the version of BATTLE shown on HBO/Max the
> theatrical version or the extended one?
>
>
> Chris L.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Forget the glyphs. Just give me leather and whips. And Freida Pinto.
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2011 2:29 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Leather and Glyphs
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I was thinking of the two key elements I want to see at some stage in RISE 2.It really boils down to 'leather and glyphs'.I want some classic look again.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
> Something similar but not exactly the same. One of the ridiculous things in BATTLE was the apes wearing the same outfits they'd sport two thousand years later. Kind of silly.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I never even expected what it did do. The Apes films were always strong but not blockbuster like in numbers at the local cinema. Like a guy a Fox said to me the Apes are a constant source of good income and always turns a buck but its not Star Wars. Im happy its not. The more people a film pleases the more generic it is and any uniqueness is lost. the best films do not cater to large numbers but strong numbers and smart filmgoers. Take care, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The weekly box office of "Rise of the POTA" becomes less and less awesome. It made about $7 million worldwide since last week, bringing it to $409 million. Getting to $ half a billion will be a struggle. Next weekend it takes Japan and that's all she wrote.
> > This week it passed "X-Men 2" and "Signs", but it still has yet to beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, "Terminator 3" or even "The Exorcist". Box office is a crazy thing.
> >
> > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Who is your connection at FOX----and could they be asked about the possibility of a novelization for RISE? Does anybody else have any ideas/contacts/suggestions for how we might get a RISE novelization done? I's a real gap in the re-boot experience.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > I never even expected what it did do. The Apes films were always strong but not blockbuster like in numbers at the local cinema. Like a guy a Fox said to me the Apes are a constant source of good income and always turns a buck but its not Star Wars. Im happy its not. The more people a film pleases the more generic it is and any uniqueness is lost. the best films do not cater to large numbers but strong numbers and smart filmgoers. Take care, John M.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The weekly box office of "Rise of the POTA" becomes less and less awesome. It made about $7 million worldwide since last week, bringing it to $409 million. Getting to $ half a billion will be a struggle. Next weekend it takes Japan and that's all she wrote.
> > > This week it passed "X-Men 2" and "Signs", but it still has yet to beat the first "Sex and the City" movie, "Terminator 3" or even "The Exorcist". Box office is a crazy thing.
> > >
> > > http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Meh . . . I'll let that slide.
> The jabs always get through.
> It's the retorts that get censored.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/2/2011 2:41:49 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> You know I catch all this because me and LordT, we watch MSNBC all the
> time.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Even though the subject matter I talk about sounds current, most of the people I spoke with at Fox , Jerry Anderson, Bart Pierce, Louis Lagrone, and a few others were the old regime from 1970-2000. Weather any of them are around anymore im not sure. The info they gave me was even more extensive than I talk about because we had mutual "friends" sort of speak from my college days. My professor and a salesmen from the old Crazy Eddies in NY had relationships with some of these people casually or were ex-employees but the real info is from people I really should not name drop. In fact only because I know some people here know these names is the only reason I mentioned them. I knew a man in Pennsylvania that was a sound consultant on the later film releases and the video releases and he shall remain nameless because from what he told me it was pure and absolute laziness as to why the Apes videos have problems weather audio or video. In fact he said he had 4 and 2 track stereo optical film elements of Conquest and the only proof I have that he was honest, and its really not great proof, are black ans white stills with 2 to 4 mikes during live filming. Usually when a film is definatly going to be made in mono for release a single mike is used for dialog on closeups(though sometimes backup mikes are used on location shooting) while Conquest had atleast 2 mikes during the Aldo being beaten on the steps at the Governors office where it was all extreme 3/4 closeups. Thats not proof but in my experience a film that is done on the cheap would not have many mikes on location and two Nagra recorders. Who really knows anymore-everyone is dead. The people who do know such things are so afraid to tell anything, like they havent been briefed, like some kind of War manuever. The Playhouse version of Escape,Conquest, and Battle I ran through audio soundscope/visualizers I used to have and it really did sound and sinewave pattern(visualize)like a pure stereo signal. Bart Pierce said Chace surround had a hand in it (thats the Video tapes he was talking about and I felt he was wrong or just mixed up, the laser discs I know chace did because they stunk) but I think his memmory or just the fact he was a very busy and nice man could have played with his memmory. He is responsible for hundreds of films at that time. If hes around anymore, which I dought, I should call him and drive him nuts again. He put up with much argumentive BS from me but I knew my stuff and later on I was vindicated when the CDs came out and certain technical facts came out like the music used in the films, not the soundtrack LPs, were done in stereo, so I wasnt a total nut. He had to deal with so many nutty fans like Trekkie types, I just wanted the best elements for video and it was a fustrating ride and it still not over. Take care, John M.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> For the first time since Issue # 1, BOOM!'s POTA comic has sold out and gone to a second printing with # 6. This follows a reduced price for # 5 and a cheap graphic novel version of the first 4 issues (which includes all the alternate covers) to help newbies catch up. Could this be the impact of "Rise" or just one of those things? In other words, is "Rise" raising all boats?
>
> http://comics.cosmicbooknews.com/content/boom-studios-planet-apes-6-sells-out-and-goes-second-print
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> For those who are interested, this article has the script extract portraying Franco's untimely demise.
>
> http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/last-minute_reshoots_saved_james_francos_character_from_death_in_rise_of_th/
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> That would have made a hell of an ending--but maybe too much of a downer for audiences? The upbeat ending we got is , for me,a 'F**k you world--Apes is back!!!' experience, but I'm sadly twisted and evil.I miss the bit that appeared in the trailer but never made the movie where Will says something like 'Don't ever let them find you' to Caesar---that could have stayed in to cement the love between the two.Maybe the delays with the script delayed a novelization? Yes, I'm obsessed by a novelization.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > For those who are interested, this article has the script extract portraying Franco's untimely demise.
> >
> > http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/last-minute_reshoots_saved_james_francos_character_from_death_in_rise_of_th/
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 6:30 am

> I've found issue #6 to be the one where
> the series 'clicked' with me and the characters have taken life in
> my mind.

It's odd, but I found issues #1-4 much more interesting and dramatic.
When issue #5 came out at only $1, I thought that it was great they were
trying to bring in a bigger audience with the single issue price drop as
an enticement. But when I read it I found that issue kind of boring. I
thought they had blown a great opportunity. But I guess I was wrong and
enough new readers liked #5 despite (in my opinion) #1-4 being better.

Now that I've read #6, I did not find it any better than #5. I find that
the pace has slowed down and not much is happening in these last 2
issues. After introducing Dix, we've hardly seen what he's been up too.
Even the two predominant women on either side have been largely silent
in these last issues. I hope this is all a build up to something
exciting, but I must say, that it isn't 'clicking' with me at the moment.

Dario

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Its true you want a person we can contact for the novelization and other non film elements. The people to call are people who usually read e-mails and pass it along. They want numbers(Many e-mails) and a person like me who got his foot in the door only got in because I wrote an articla/letter in "The Perfect Vision" that was a sister magazine to "The Absolute Sound". In those days late 80s to early 90s how a film was made and the technical aspects were the big talk. Now its all critics and their bloviated opinions. The only mag that still does technical talks are Cineflex and som British mags.
>
> Comics retailer mags and such are usually the magazines to write to and if the "Right" person at Fox reads it it can get the ball rolling. Thats how itr happened to me. I must of got 5-6 calls from important people from every which way about why I though the transfers stunk. Then one day Bart Pierce called me up. How he got my phone number is still a mystery to me. I did get to talk with many people (L.Lagrone from NYC)including a man who did the actual transfers of Beneath and one of the other sequels and a person who did the audio(A man from Allentown P.A.). They still swear that they did a good job.
>
> E-mail want to Fox on their website and it can get things moving if many fans do it. Its a different world now because of computers. Companies just say to e-mail us and their obligation is done-to them.
> Like I said the people I knew are mostly gone and their might be a few here who could verify that.
>
> I know you want a simple answer but their is none. The people at Fox are hard as hell to talk to. I went through my roledex and could not find any numbers. Thats not like me and so when my wife wakes up Ill see if she put old numbers somewhere. I had them all though. I feel you will not get to talk with a big wig. Who knows, Ill try and find nuymbers and do my best and if I get anywhere Ill post the number even if its not the propper thing to do. Fox should get annoyed from their fans, we are the ones that make them the money they so much brag about. Sorry for my long post again, I just cant shut up with Apes and Fox because ive benn Bull s***** so much.
>
> Take care your friend,
> John M.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Remember most novelizations are just the scripts with the writer adding in his or her own opinions and ideas and not really revelations on what was to be. Sometimes it is like the novelizations of Conquest and Battle but mostly its just a writers ideas. John M, again.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > That would have made a hell of an ending--but maybe too much of a downer for audiences? The upbeat ending we got is , for me,a 'F**k you world--Apes is back!!!' experience, but I'm sadly twisted and evil.I miss the bit that appeared in the trailer but never made the movie where Will says something like 'Don't ever let them find you' to Caesar---that could have stayed in to cement the love between the two.Maybe the delays with the script delayed a novelization? Yes, I'm obsessed by a novelization.John, Scrolls.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > For those who are interested, this article has the script extract portraying Franco's untimely demise.
> > >
> > > http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/archives/last-minute_reshoots_saved_james_francos_character_from_death_in_rise_of_th/
> > >
> >
>