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Thanks John. An audio version was planned by we could only get Joe Pesci to do it and it just really didn't work;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> The standard of The Mendez Dynasty has been consistently high from day one of the chronicle.Can't help wishing there could be an audio version of this! Much enjoyed.John, Scrolls.
>

"Rise of the POTA" made another $ 8 million around the world this week, allowing it to say, "Hasta la vista" to "Terminator 3". It also screwed with some other icons, making the Mummy "Return" to sender and not allowing James Bond to "Die Another Day" but to die this week. "Rise" is at $ 438 million worldwide with China opening next weekend. Next weekend is also Halloween weekend and by then it will have passed "The Exorcist".
The big news at the box office is "Paranormal Activity 3". What does it have to do with "Rise"? Let me count the ways:
1. PA3's trailer piggybacked on Rise's release.
2. PA3 is being touted as the first new release to open to big bucks since "Rise".
3. The official numbers aren't in but it looks to have tied the "Rise" opening of $ 54 million (it only cost $ 5 million).
So I guess almost 3 months after Rise's release, this could be considered Paranormal Risetivity. No?

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDC9OUATbSU&feature=related

No matter what format these movies continue to come out on and the fact
that you can see them in the correct aspect ratio, complete and unedited,
color corrected, Dolby whatever point whatever etc, there's always going
to be a fond spot in my heart for these old TV airings. Back in the day
that was the only way to see POTA, and- especially in terms of the five
films- it was more of an event when they aired on television. Having them
(or any movie/TV show) at your fingertips to watch whenever you want to
is cool, but at the same time I think that the instant gratification
aspect has made people take a lot of things for granted.


Chris L.

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>>Chris its nice to know that you know your apes like myself.

<<

>>POTA68 was distorted, Beneath had sound missing and in the wrong

spots and low volume, Escape sounded like a blanket was thrown over the sound, and Conquest the last laser from CBS/FOX was distorted from the first crescendo to the end of the film. These are just sound problems, we all know the video. <<

>>Beneath took the same time to get all the effects back in place...

<<

>>...and sound stems are still missing. <<

>>It shows that the sound of the apes were multi tracked and could

have been sensational but the cheaper route was taken. <<

>>I have so many memmories going back to 1968 but seeing Conquest at

the Embassy at 46th st.NYNY on opening day and seeing that big slightly curved screens colorfull bright picture and wonderfull dynamic sound was a memmory that gave awe to an impressionable 12/13 year old. Id like to see that again esp. Audio wise. << <.html

Rise rock$ while The Thing flop$:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=thing11.htm

It just goes to show that revisiting a sci-fi story that's been around for decades doesn't necessarily make for box office success.

We have a lot to be thankful for come Thanksgiving, $500 million worldwide gross or not, wouldn't you agree?
___

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Well, as of the moment, Sunday morning Oct. 23, 2011, "RISE of the POTA" has made just over $175 Mill domestic, $431 Mill worldwide, including $17 Mill in Japan, where it was the # 1 movie for the last two weeks, and it opens in China this Friday.
>
> Will it make it to $500 Mill worldwide? RISE was going to open around Thanksgiving. Let's see where it is by then, and I think it's worldwide gross on Thansgiving day will be the final word.
>
> -- Rory
>

Stems are just a term I learned in school. If you look at all the sound for a film it will have a dialouge, sound effects, music,etc. sounds that last for a certain amount of time and if put the magnetic strips of sound on an editing table it looks like stems from a tree or rose bush, whatever. Then they are all mixed and in some cases the original "Stems" are discarded and only the Mono or stereo mix is left and so phoney sound enhacement is made to give the sound on the film some dynamics. Bad way. Keep the original mix or find the original stems or leeds and make a new mix. With few exceptions the Apes films are all sound from a theatrical mix and then futzed with. Basically 2 generations down from the original recordings atleast. This creates distortion and sound lose and poor dynamics. Just leave them alone or find the originals and make a good mix. The Apes have been played with so much its amazing. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> >>Chris its nice to know that you know your apes like myself. <<
>
> Well, BENEATH at least in my case...
>
>
> >>POTA68 was distorted, Beneath had sound missing and in the wrong spots
> and low volume, Escape sounded like a blanket was thrown over the sound,
> and Conquest the last laser from CBS/FOX was distorted from the first
> crescendo to the end of the film. These are just sound problems, we all
> know the video. <<
>
> My favorite video flaw from the original ESCAPE LD was the scene where
> the two military guys ("They suggested oranges sir.", "Oh Good God!") go
> to walk into the door and the edit didn't take place until the reel ended
> so the scene just stopped and the two characters are frozen in a still
> frame.
>
>
> >>Beneath took the same time to get all the effects back in place... <<
>
> I am shamelessly taking credit for that. :-)
>
>
> >>...and sound stems are still missing. <<
>
> The person from Fox also used that term ('stems'). Before that, I'd never
> heard sound elements referred to as stems. Is there a reason for the
> term?
>
>
> >>It shows that the sound of the apes were multi tracked and could have
> been sensational but the cheaper route was taken. <<
>
> The original sounds during the post-production for BENEATH you mean?
>
>
> >>I have so many memmories going back to 1968 but seeing Conquest at the
> Embassy at 46th st.NYNY on opening day and seeing that big slightly
> curved screens colorfull bright picture and wonderfull dynamic sound was
> a memmory that gave awe to an impressionable 12/13 year old. Id like to
> see that again esp. Audio wise. <<
>
> I never saw any of them originally in the theaters, but was lucky enough
> to see PLANET a few times since 2008 and BENEATH once. Must've been cool
> to experience that back in the day.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

Well, from the studio that backed Damnation Alley ahead of Star Wars,it looks a though the decision to move the opening date from November to August was a good one.I've got a nasty feeling that RISE might have struggled in November.I know I'm an impatient little monkey--and proud to be!!---but I'd really like to hear the sequel announced and then kick back and wrap myself in layers of warm plot speculation.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Well, as of the moment, Sunday morning Oct. 23, 2011, "RISE of the POTA" has made just over $175 Mill domestic, $431 Mill worldwide, including $17 Mill in Japan, where it was the # 1 movie for the last two weeks, and it opens in China this Friday.
>
> Will it make it to $500 Mill worldwide? RISE was going to open around Thanksgiving. Let's see where it is by then, and I think it's worldwide gross on Thansgiving day will be the final word.
>
> -- Rory
>

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Hello amigos:
Why didn't Commander George Taylor suspect he was back on Earth upon learning that English was spoken, and even written? Might he have entertained the theory that civilization had been planted on various planets just as The Protectors (of the original Star Trek series) were reported as having done with humans? Or might his mind already have been so heavily taxed with all that was underway (including grief for Astronaut Stewart, whose make-up didn't hold up so well amidst the spaceflight) that this is simply a wonder that he never thoughtfully entertained? I doubt the latter applies, given how he spent weeks confined to a cage with little to do (as he complained at the onset of the tribunal proceedings). Given how humans don't even Speak English in most countries on Earth, the coincidental use of spoken and written English must have been potentially revealing to him well in advance of his discovering a (plot spoiler warning ahead, amigos...) certain statue on a beach.

The coincidental use of English by the apes was lightly touched upon in Escape from the Planet of the Apes during an inquisition proceeding, but otherwise I don't recall that the paradox was ever addressed. It does seem like an oversight that potentially keeps our beloved POTA1968 from being considered a total masterpiece though. So before I'm asked again by potential fans whom I'm trying to convert, perhaps someone here can help me fortify my answer por favor? :-) And if the subject has already been discussed in these sacred threads, I'd be delighted to read them over if someone knows of the address(es). Or if it's time for a fresh discussion on the subject, then like Perot said during the '92 presidential debates, I'm all ears :-)

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As I've said, a very mediocre matinee movie . . .

Though Rise has yet to beat it's domestic gross.

And probably won't before being pulled from wide release.

Not sure how much the dollar movies contribute to the take.

 

 

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Yeah, I just checked.

The only theaters left are dollar movies.

I may try to catch it before it's gone completely.

 

 

In a message dated 10/24/2011 12:20:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, pota1968@... writes:

Meanwhile, I'm currently on vacation this week and FOX has already pulled RISE out theaters.

Now that sucks. :o(

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Yes, but you have to speak it to be an airline pilot.

 

 

In a message dated 10/24/2011 4:14:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

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Charlton Heston mentioned (I think in his diaries) that they talked about why Taylor wouldn't realize he's on Earth because they speak English and they just decided to let it go. He had plenty of time sitting in a cage so it's not like he didn't have time to think about it. But it's possible it doesn't cross his mind he returned to Earth. He was sent into space so where ever he landed they speak English. That's weird but not as weird as those who speak it being apes.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 10:53 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English was spoken?



Hello amigos:
Why didn't Commander George Taylor suspect he was back on Earth upon learning that English was spoken, and even written? Might he have entertained the theory that civilization had been planted on various planets just as The Protectors (of the original Star Trek series) were reported as having done with humans? Or might his mind already have been so heavily taxed with all that was underway (including grief for Astronaut Stewart, whose make-up didn't hold up so well amidst the spaceflight) that this is simply a wonder that he never thoughtfully entertained? I doubt the latter applies, given how he spent weeks confined to a cage with little to do (as he complained at the onset of the tribunal proceedings). Given how humans don't even Speak English in most countries on Earth, the coincidental use of spoken and written English must have been potentially revealing to him well in advance of his discovering a (plot spoiler warning ahead, amigos...) certain statue on a beach.

The coincidental use of English by the apes was lightly touched upon in Escape from the Planet of the Apes during an inquisition proceeding, but otherwise I don't recall that the paradox was ever addressed. It does seem like an oversight that potentially keeps our beloved POTA1968 from being considered a total masterpiece though. So before I'm asked again by potential fans whom I'm trying to convert, perhaps someone here can help me fortify my answer por favor? :-) And if the subject has already been discussed in these sacred threads, I'd be delighted to read them over if someone knows of the address(es). Or if it's time for a fresh discussion on the subject, then like Perot said during the '92 presidential debates, I'm all ears :-)

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Because its a Movie!....John M. Want to read subtitles all day see a Swedish film....lol

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Charlton Heston mentioned (I think in his diaries) that they talked about why Taylor wouldn't realize he's on Earth because they speak English and they just decided to let it go. He had plenty of time sitting in a cage so it's not like he didn't have time to think about it. But it's possible it doesn't cross his mind he returned to Earth. He was sent into space so where ever he landed they speak English. That's weird but not as weird as those who speak it being apes.
>
>

"Rise" is done in the U.S. It'll be lucky to make another $1 million. Burton wins that battle.


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:57 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rise rock$; The Thing flop$ (OT)





Yeah, I just checked.
The only theaters left are dollar movies.
I may try to catch it before it's gone completely.

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Last night were the "Hollywood Awards", I guess the kickoff to awards season in Hollywood when the Oscar front runners are positioned. Don ("Gov. Breck") Murray presented the Best Actress award to Michelle Williams, who plays former Arthur Jacobs publicity client Marilyn Monroe in the new movie "My Week With Marilyn". Murray starred with the real Marilyn in the movie "Bus Stop" and said, "I'm the last of the on-screen lovers of Marilyn Monroe and I still just happen to have a body that actually works. Michelle recreated moments I was so intimately familiar to me as I spent 14 months working with Marilyn. There's not one thing in this film that's not truthful. It was a revelation".

http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/hammond-oscar-hopefuls-swarm-hollywood-awards-gala/

See, this is part of my sequel jitters.Did Burton's Apes not get a sequel because the critics flayed it, or was it because it didn't earn enough bucks? If the latter, then RISE hasn't totally blitzed Burton's box office and maybe we can't assume RISE 2 is a certainty? I'd be surprised if the critics were the deciding factor--Hollywood, like most things in life, follows the dollar.I'm still very jittery about a sequel.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Rise" is done in the U.S. It'll be lucky to make another $1 million. Burton wins that battle.
>
>
> From: LordTZer0@...
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rise rock$; The Thing flop$ (OT)
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I just checked.
> The only theaters left are dollar movies.
> I may try to catch it before it's gone completely.
>

The almighty bomb is currently being disassembled in Texas:

http://news.yahoo.com/uss-most-powerful-nuclear-bomb-being-dismantled-071325260.html"

Perhaps a Rise sequel may have more in common with 12 Monkeys (pun not intended) than we previously imagined, unless Iran and such inspire more nuclear weapons' development and the corresponding anxiety among ticket-purchasers. I Am Legend's contrast from The Omega Man shows how ticket purchasers' fears have evolved from nuclear to biological.

FWIW, though, I wonder what the Priests of the Divine Bomb would have thought? Is this disassembly act in the Lone Star State heretical and blasphemous, or more along the lines of out-with-the-old and in-with-the-new (i.e. to be substituted by something called Alpha Omega)? Nowadays there's no shortage of folks named Mendez to begin forming opinions...

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Might this really be Don Murray nowadays?

http://www.flixster.com/actor/don-murray

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Last night were the "Hollywood Awards", I guess the kickoff to awards season in Hollywood when the Oscar front runners are positioned. Don ("Gov. Breck") Murray presented the Best Actress award to Michelle Williams, who plays former Arthur Jacobs publicity client Marilyn Monroe in the new movie "My Week With Marilyn". Murray starred with the real Marilyn in the movie "Bus Stop" and said, "I'm the last of the on-screen lovers of Marilyn Monroe and I still just happen to have a body that actually works. Michelle recreated moments I was so intimately familiar to me as I spent 14 months working with Marilyn. There's not one thing in this film that's not truthful. It was a revelation".
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/hammond-oscar-hopefuls-swarm-hollywood-awards-gala/
>

Burton won nothing. It was the long long wait for something about Apes and the anticipation won. If this was a recent sequel it would of made half as much. Many of the theater goers were Burton Fans judging by the talk at the Zeigfeld where I saw it on opining day. I would say 70% Apes fans and 30% Burton Fans. All burton did was momentarily destroy a franchise. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Rise" is done in the U.S. It'll be lucky to make another $1 million. Burton wins that battle.
>
>
> From: LordTZer0@...
> Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 2:57 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Rise rock$; The Thing flop$ (OT)
>
>
>
>
>
> Yeah, I just checked.
> The only theaters left are dollar movies.
> I may try to catch it before it's gone completely.
>

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Yes.  It's not just Airline pilots.

English was considered the International language of film.

They could of had them speaking Sororese and transitioned

to English as he learned to speak it. But they decided that

it would be more engaging to just have them speak English

and not bother with a second language or subtitles.

 

 

In a message dated 10/24/2011 7:31:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Because its a Movie!....John M. Want to read subtitles all day see a Swedish film....lol

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Yeah, but thank God they beat them on foreign markets...

by a lot!

 

In a message dated 10/24/2011 7:31:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

"Rise" is done in the U.S. It'll be lucky to make another $1 million. Burton wins that battle.

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Same birthday.

 

In a message dated 10/25/2011 10:32:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

Might this really be Don Murray nowadays?

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Not exactly the sleek movie prop that inspires

mutants to worship it, is it?

 

In a message dated 10/25/2011 9:39:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

The almighty bomb is currently being disassembled in Texas:

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Don't know about that...but I do know why POTA 2K1 took such a beating

in foreign markets.  It was the shear lack of worldwide distribution.

These are the only countries reported . . .

 

FOREIGN TOTAL - 1/26/01 n/a - $182,200,000 N/A

Australia - 8/9/01 $2,039,696 33.7% $6,060,123 9/23/01

Austria - 8/31/01 $410,453 38.8% $1,058,496 9/23/01

Brazil - 8/3/01 - - $5,037,114 9/20/01

Czech Republic - 10/18/01 $73,119 33.9% $215,818 11/25/01

Denmark - 8/24/01 $576,232 50.5% $1,141,155 9/27/01

France - N/A - - $20,231,900 10/23/01

Germany - 8/30/01 $5,293,640 41.9% $12,630,919 10/7/01

Netherlands - 8/23/01 - - $1,857,210 10/17/01

Spain - N/A - - $11,997,374 10/4/01

Taiwan - N/A - - $631,279 9/13/01

United Arab Emirates Fox 9/19/01 - - $1,156,088 10/2/11

United Kingdom - 8/17/01 $7,864,042 31.8% $24,732,707 9/30/01

 

I'm sure Japan had it.  I've seen posters.  But it's not included in the totals.

 

In a message dated 10/26/2011 12:32:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

  But once again, we know why they did it (like why the "Battle" apes have the same clothes as those in the original; it was cheaper) but people want to know how to make it play in the story, and if they can't the story gets marked down.

From: LordTZer0@...

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:08 PM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that E...

 

 

Yes.  It's not just Airline pilots.

English was considered the International language of film.

They could of had them speaking Sororese and transitioned

to English as he learned to speak it. But they decided that

it would be more engaging to just have them speak English

and not bother with a second language or subtitles.

 

 

In a message dated 10/24/2011 7:31:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Because its a Movie!....John M. Want to read subtitles all day see a Swedish film....lol

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Yeah, but Burton's Apes had sequel talk for a couple of months which died down when they realised the movie didn't have legs.I'd be interested to know the magic percentage figure that says 'sequel'.As I understand it, RISE cost less than Burton's Apes to make, and had a smaller publicity budget/campaign (I'm happy to be shown to be wrong on that--it's just what I recall).Burton's Apes was, by any standards, a box office success, but garnered no sequel---so, what is the perecentage of overall outlay that would get a sequel green lit? Escape was, I think, the second most successful Apes movie if you compare budget to box office and it had a poor marketing campaign to boot.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Rise" made more than "Star Trek", "Batman Begins" and, in a couple of weeks, "Thor" and they got sequels. Burton's didn't get one because people didn't like it. It's how people react to a movie (not just critics) that decides the fate of a sequel. "Tron" got a sequel even though it flopped because it became a favorite with people. Culture decides.
> "Rise" made a lot more than POTA2001 worldwide, just not in the U.S. Rest easy, son. There will be a sequel.
>
>

Isn't Jackie Haley in Burton's new movie with Helena Bonham Carter ('Dark' something or other)? Are there many/ANY other examples of classic Apes and shite, sorry, 2001, Apes actors crossing over like this? I can't think of any.John, Scrolls.

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There is no magical percentage. It's whoever owns the rights deciding there's interest in a sequel (or that the franchise is popular enough that if they make a better movie all will be forgiven). "Green Lantern" flopped and supposedly there's plans for another one of those. If Fox thinks there isn't an interest in a sequel to "Rise" they shouldn't be running a studio. Maybe if another studio had done POTA2001 there might have been a sequel.


From: johnroche49
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:53 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise rock$; The Thing flop$ (OT)



Yeah, but Burton's Apes had sequel talk for a couple of months which died down when they realised the movie didn't have legs.I'd be interested to know the magic percentage figure that says 'sequel'.As I understand it, RISE cost less than Burton's Apes to make, and had a smaller publicity budget/campaign (I'm happy to be shown to be wrong on that--it's just what I recall).Burton's Apes was, by any standards, a box office success, but garnered no sequel---so, what is the perecentage of overall outlay that would get a sequel green lit? Escape was, I think, the second most successful Apes movie if you compare budget to box office and it had a poor marketing campaign to boot.John, Scrolls.

Well, that would at least partially explain why Nic Cage is infecting our screens again with Ghost Rider (a flaming urination is a marked step up in class this time).Still,scarily, it does come down to the subjective views of Fox executives---THAT'S why I'm so worried!My future fun is in their hands.John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> There is no magical percentage. It's whoever owns the rights deciding there's interest in a sequel (or that the franchise is popular enough that if they make a better movie all will be forgiven). "Green Lantern" flopped and supposedly there's plans for another one of those. If Fox thinks there isn't an interest in a sequel to "Rise" they shouldn't be running a studio. Maybe if another studio had done POTA2001 there might have been a sequel.
>
>
> From: johnroche49
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 2:53 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Rise rock$; The Thing flop$ (OT)
>
>
>
> Yeah, but Burton's Apes had sequel talk for a couple of months which died down when they realised the movie didn't have legs.I'd be interested to know the magic percentage figure that says 'sequel'.As I understand it, RISE cost less than Burton's Apes to make, and had a smaller publicity budget/campaign (I'm happy to be shown to be wrong on that--it's just what I recall).Burton's Apes was, by any standards, a box office success, but garnered no sequel---so, what is the perecentage of overall outlay that would get a sequel green lit? Escape was, I think, the second most successful Apes movie if you compare budget to box office and it had a poor marketing campaign to boot.John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

>
> Isn't Jackie Haley in Burton's new movie with Helena Bonham Carter ('Dark' something or other)? Are there many/ANY other examples of classic Apes and shite, sorry, 2001, Apes actors crossing over like this? I can't think of any.John, Scrolls.
>

Titanic - Eric Braeden (Otto Hasslein) and David Warner (Senator Sandar - Ari's father)

The Ant Bully - Ricardo Montalban (Armando) and Paul Giamatti (Limbo)

If you didn't know already, lots of fun can be had with this interactive database of actors' links: http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/movielinks


Graham

Those international stats have me concerned from Apes 2001. Japan was a big market for 2001Apes with Pepsi and more and the lack of reporting has got me wondering what the heck is going on. Is this typical Fox BS or is this some kind of mistake with money translation and missing countries which Apes 2001 must of made much money in. Whats with those stats and can any be trusted anymore? John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Don't know about that...but I do know why POTA 2K1 took such a beating
> in foreign markets. It was the shear lack of worldwide distribution.
> These are the only countries reported . . .
>
> _FOREIGN TOTAL_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=00&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 1/26/01 n/a - $182,200,000 N/A
>
> _Australia_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=AU&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/9/01 $2,039,696 33.7% $6,060,123 9/23/01
>
> _Austria_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=AT&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/31/01 $410,453 38.8% $1,058,496 9/23/01
>
> _Brazil_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=BR&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/3/01 - - $5,037,114 9/20/01
>
> _Czech Republic_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=CZ&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 10/18/01 $73,119 33.9% $215,818 11/25/01
>
> _Denmark_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=DK&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/24/01 $576,232 50.5% $1,141,155 9/27/01
>
> _France_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=FR&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - N/A - - $20,231,900 10/23/01
>
> _Germany_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=DE&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/30/01 $5,293,640 41.9% $12,630,919 10/7/01
>
> _Netherlands_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=H2&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/23/01 - - $1,857,210 10/17/01
>
> _Spain_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=ES&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - N/A - - $11,997,374 10/4/01
>
> _Taiwan_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=TW&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - N/A - - $631,279 9/13/01
>
> _United Arab Emirates_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=UE&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) Fox 9/19/01 - - $1,156,088 10/2/11
>
> _United Kingdom_
> (http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=UK&id=planetoftheapes01.htm) - 8/17/01 $7,864,042 31.8% $24,732,707 9/30/01
>
> I'm sure Japan had it. I've seen posters. But it's not included in the
> totals.
>
>
> In a message dated 10/26/2011 12:32:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> But once again, we know why they did it (like why the "Battle" apes have
> the same clothes as those in the original; it was cheaper) but people want
> to know how to make it play in the story, and if they can't the story gets
> marked down.
>
>
>
>
> From: _LordTZer0@..._ (mailto:LordTZer0@...)
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:08 PM
> To: _pota@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com)
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> learning that E...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes. It's not just Airline pilots.
> English was considered the International language of film.
> They could of had them speaking Sororese and transitioned
> to English as he learned to speak it. But they decided that
> it would be more engaging to just have them speak English
> and not bother with a second language or subtitles.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 10/24/2011 7:31:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
> Because its a Movie!....John M. Want to read subtitles all day see a
> Swedish film....lol
>

Just realized, I added up the total on the foreign market of apes2001 and it added up to half of the 182 million mark. Apes 2001 made 182 but Box office mojo does not have all the countries listed, thats all. Nothing to panic about....Take care, and we must look closer before we write anything. Alls fine. Rise kicked 2001 Apes backside in the overseas markets. Take care, John M.

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dear group, here is an ad from california 1971 and heston 1978. from william burge<.html

Animal rights fans have something to buzz about regarding a new lawsuit filed this week in San Diego, CA. on behalf of whales at Seaworld, which are allegedly slaves:

http://news.yahoo.com/peta-lawsuit-seeks-expand-animal-rights-222219887.html"

Are there any ape-centric acts in the USA to which this argument could be expanded? Unfortunately, though, such a suit's success could counterintuitively result in a decline of the apes' population. The incentive to host and protect them would be diminished, after all.

What would Armando have thought?

Excellent! I had wondered if Mark Lenard crossed paths with David Warner on Star Trek, but was too scared to look! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "gort65" <gort65@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Isn't Jackie Haley in Burton's new movie with Helena Bonham Carter ('Dark' something or other)? Are there many/ANY other examples of classic Apes and shite, sorry, 2001, Apes actors crossing over like this? I can't think of any.John, Scrolls.
> >
>
> Titanic - Eric Braeden (Otto Hasslein) and David Warner (Senator Sandar - Ari's father)
>
> The Ant Bully - Ricardo Montalban (Armando) and Paul Giamatti (Limbo)
>
> If you didn't know already, lots of fun can be had with this interactive database of actors' links: http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/movielinks
>
>
> Graham
>

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I'm delighted and relieved to see the covers for BOOM!'s Apes #7---this is the first regular Apes comics series to get beyond regular issue #6 since the Malibu series in the early 90s. Bodes well for the revival of Apes across the board.Well done BOOM!! John, Scrolls.

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Most of the people involved just wanted to do a Tim Burton

movie. And Burton said he'd rather jump out a window than

do a sequel.  And most Ape fans would rather see a screening

of Battle than watch POTA2K1 or a sequel, with or without

Burton directing.  So there was little reason to push for it.

 

 

In a message dated 10/26/2011 5:18:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnroche49@... writes:

by any standards, a box office success, but garnered no sequel---so, what is the perecentage of overall outlay that would get a sequel green lit?

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Kim Hunter (I)

was in

Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)

with

Roddy McDowall

was in

The Big Picture (1989)

with

Kevin Bacon

 

I'm glad this is still around.

I love this thing!

 

In a message dated 10/26/2011 9:25:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gort65@... writes:

 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Isn't Jackie Haley in Burton's new movie with Helena Bonham Carter ('Dark' something or other)? Are there many/ANY other examples of classic Apes and shite, sorry, 2001, Apes actors crossing over like this? I can't think of any.John, Scrolls.
>

Titanic - Eric Braeden (Otto Hasslein) and David Warner (Senator Sandar - Ari's father)

The Ant Bully - Ricardo Montalban (Armando) and Paul Giamatti (Limbo)

If you didn't know already, lots of fun can be had with this interactive database of actors' links: http://oracleofbacon.org/cgi-bin/movielinks

Graham

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Salvage Mice looks good.

 

 

In a message dated 10/26/2011 9:25:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I knew RISE would do well in Japan.

 

http://www.tokyohive.com/2011/10/japan-box-office-report-%E2%80%93-october-22nd23rd/

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You've got me.  I remember the Japanese Pepushi (Pepsi) tie-ins.

Why the numbers aren't recorded is beyond me.  Here's a link

 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Planet-Apes-Full-Set-42-Japanese-Pepsi-Bottle-Tops-2001-Rare-/230687941358?pt=UK_ToysGames_ActionFigures_ActionFigures_JN&hash=item35b612a2ee

 

And...here's a link to a theatrical release promo item on eBay

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Planet-Apes-2001-Japanese-Promotional-Figure-/190499423049

 

In a message dated 10/26/2011 10:30:27 A.M. Central Daylight Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

Those international stats have me concerned from Apes 2001. Japan was a big market for 2001Apes with Pepsi and more and the lack of reporting has got me wondering what the heck is going on.

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Yeah!  Let all the animals out!

Oh wait...Some guy already did that.

Didn't work out so well.  I do agree

that train animals to do tricks for treats

is wrong.  That's my Halloween tie-in.

 

  -   -

 VWV

  ^^^^^

 

In a message dated 10/27/2011 5:35:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

Animal rights fans have something to buzz about regarding a new lawsuit filed this week in San Diego, CA. on behalf of whales at Seaworld, which are allegedly slaves:

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Does anybody know if the J.Lee Thompson cvommentary on the new Guns blu ray is a proper commentary or a chopped up interviews thing with quotes dropped in? I'd buy it for a proper Thompson commentary.John, Scrolls,

Armando would have wept at the thought of "Animal Slavery!", yet again he too exhibited exotic animals. He and treated them with love and compassion. He might have maintained the position " If man, (that is all the people of the world) is to finally except his place in the universe as  the care take of the planet,then the public must be offered an opportunity to see, experience and possibly  even for  a brief moment bond with these magnificent animals, for only this  can lead to more positive, educated and ultimately a more responsible behavior on the part of man.
Aldo, however would have enjoyed the whale show and the frozen bananas and 'pinned up' all lawyers for target practice!Mark Johnson Ph.D.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> _Kim Hunter (I)_ (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Hunter,+Kim+(I))
>
> was in
> _Escape from the Planet of the Apes (1971)_
> (http://www.imdb.com/Title?Escape+from+the+Planet+of+the+Apes+(1971))
>
> with
> _Roddy McDowall_ (http://www.imdb.com/Name?McDowall,+Roddy)
>
> was in
> _The Big Picture (1989)_ (http://www.imdb.com/Title?The+Big+Picture+(1989))
>
>
> with
> _Kevin Bacon_ (http://www.imdb.com/Name?Bacon,+Kevin)
>

Here's one that's more Rise orientated:

Andy Serkis

was in

The Prestige (2006)

with

Michael Caine (I)

was in

California Suite (1978)

with

Army Archerd

was in

Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970)

with

Maurice Evans (I)

> I'm glad this is still around.
> I love this thing!

Yes, it's an excellent tool perfect for this kind of trivia. I also learnt a little more about Army Archerd, who played an uncredited gorilla in Beneath and also a referee in Escape (I imagine in the boxing match scene). That means that Army Archerd is one of the few to have played both a human and an ape in two different Apes films (I only knew about Natalie Trundy). Thanks, Kevin Bacon, for enlightening me.


Graham

I picked it up Wednesday night and read it right away. After slowing
down a bit in the last 2 issues I was a bit worried, but this issue is
back to the quality of the first ones. I can also see some hints to
where the story is going and it looks like a long term plan, which is great.

The first issue of the Betrayal mini-series starts next month so for a
while at least we'll have the opportunity to read 2 POTA comics a month!

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:39 am
Subject: [pota] Congratulations BOOM!

> I'm delighted and relieved to see the covers for BOOM!'s Apes #7---
> this is the first regular Apes comics series to get beyond regular
> issue #6 since the Malibu series in the early 90s. Bodes well for
> the revival of Apes across the board.Well done BOOM!! John, Scrolls.
>
>

>>>We have a Ph.D. in this group?!!!!<<<

And a J.D., who grew up inspired by the Lawgiver :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Armando would have wept at the thought of "Animal Slavery!", yet again he too exhibited exotic animals. He and treated them with love and compassion. He might have maintained the position " If man, (that is all the people of the world) is to finally except his place in the universe as the care take of the planet,then the public must be offered an opportunity to see, experience and possibly even for a brief moment bond with these magnificent animals, for only this can lead to more positive, educated and ultimately a more responsible behavior on the part of man.
> Aldo, however would have enjoyed the whale show and the frozen bananas and 'pinned up' all lawyers for target practice!
>
>
> Mark Johnson Ph.D.
>
>
>
>
> We have a Ph.D. in this group?!!!!
>

Thanks for that.I may well get it--it's quite cheap on blu ray.I've always found Thompson a bit of an enigma.He was nearly in on Apes from the very start and clearly was invested in it deeply.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Does anybody know if the J.Lee Thompson cvommentary on the new Guns blu ray is a proper commentary or a chopped up interviews thing with quotes dropped in? I'd buy it for a proper Thompson commentary.John, Scrolls,
>
>
>
>
>
> It's the same commentary that was done for the DVD edition several years ago and is "a proper commentary." He talks about the movie as he is watching it. I didn't buy the DVD, only rented it, but I'll be picking up this Blu-ray eventually. My recollection of Thompson's commentary, though, is that it wasn't very exciting. I guess it depends on how into it you are.
>
> -- Rory
>

'Betrayal' looks like it might be more 'classical' in its Apes look.I'm slightly scarred by past Apes comics cancellations---with BOOM! it was almost too soon after past relationship breakups for me to feel strong enough to love again (!), but I'm feeling more secure with this Apes comic than I have in decades.It's a comic that has been confident enough to create proper characters steadily--and the art is excellent.Would be nice to see a RISE adaptation.Hint, hint.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
> I picked it up Wednesday night and read it right away. After slowing
> down a bit in the last 2 issues I was a bit worried, but this issue is
> back to the quality of the first ones. I can also see some hints to
> where the story is going and it looks like a long term plan, which is great.
>
> The first issue of the Betrayal mini-series starts next month so for a
> while at least we'll have the opportunity to read 2 POTA comics a month!
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnroche49 <johnroche49@...>
> Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011 8:39 am
> Subject: [pota] Congratulations BOOM!
>
> > I'm delighted and relieved to see the covers for BOOM!'s Apes #7---
> > this is the first regular Apes comics series to get beyond regular
> > issue #6 since the Malibu series in the early 90s. Bodes well for
> > the revival of Apes across the board.Well done BOOM!! John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
>

Ebay item 220882325356 at the moment has some curious Ape figures.I don't think I've seen (outside of a Malibu comic, anyway!), Apes on motorbikes before--are these known to us? Also, the Zaius holding a rifle, on the right, it a mystery to me.John, Scrolls.

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What'd you predict? You said they'd announce after Oct. for 2012. Troll!
When will people start listening to ME?


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 8:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: blu-ray will "Rise" Dec. 13th






Thanks to Al for the heads up.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bring-caesar-home-on-blu-ray-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-2011-10-18




And I predicted it!

Winning!

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>>Stems are just a term I learned in school. If you look at all the

sound for a film it will have a dialouge, sound effects, music,etc. sounds that last for a certain amount of time and if put the magnetic strips of sound on an editing table it looks like stems from a tree or rose bush, whatever. Then they are all mixed and in some cases the original "Stems" are discarded and only the Mono or stereo mix is left and so phoney sound enhacement is made to give the sound on the film some dynamics. Bad way. Keep the original mix or find the original stems or leeds and make a new mix. With few exceptions the Apes films are all sound from a theatrical mix and then futzed with. Basically 2 generations down from the original recordings atleast. This creates distortion and sound lose and poor dynamics. Just leave them alone or find the originals and make a good mix. The Apes have been played with so much its amazing. <<<.html

It's called suspension of disbelief:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief.

Chris L.

It's time to get down to business, because this week's box office results are in. Boxofficemojo hasn't updated for some reason but boxofficeguru tells us that "Rise of the POTA" hit $ 453 million worldwide (their totals are always a little higher than mojo, but between $ 450 and $ 453 million). This was the weekend it dug it's way to China so that certainly added to the pot.
We already knew that "Rise" had it's eye on "The Exorcist"; in fact I believe it's direct quote was, "The sow is mine!". No, that's not fair. "The Exorcist" is one of the all-time box office greats. In the '70's it was "The Godfather", "The Exorcist", "Jaws" and "Star Wars". No other movie came close at the box office. And adjusted for inflation, "The Exorcist" is # 9 of all time. It sold enough tickets to make your head spin!
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/adjusted.htm
So it is with great humility and respect that "Rise" passes the great "Exorcist". Here's the trailer with narration by Percy "Aboro" Rodrigues:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDGw1MTEe9k
"Rise" also pulled the wig off "Mrs. Doubtfire"; gave "Men in Black 2" a black eye; gave Bourne an "Ultimatum"; and even beat the Squeakquel. Did those Chipmunk movies really make that much? No wonder Fox is releasing another one next month.
But wait, there's more! "Rise" even beat it's simian bro "Tarzan" (the Disney version). More importantly, it took down the Mighty "Thor". Let me rephrase that. It took down the Mighty THOR! How did this happen? Did they sneak past him when he wasn't looking? Was he getting hammered in a bar? Remember all those ballyhooed comic book movies this summer? "Rise" beat every one. It's now the top non-sequel, non-kid flick of the year.

http://www.boxofficeguru.com/intl.htm

On a related topic,there's been lots of debate about the lack of a Moon, but I think there's been too much read into Dodge's comment about luminosity and yet 'no moon'.I think he's just saying that, the night before, there was no moon--NOT that there's no satellite, full stop.As a plot device, it's crucial--if our intrepid trio saw the Moon, they'd recognise it as their own and realise they were back on Earth. As for speaking English, Taylor has no way of knowing WHAT colonisation experiments were achieved by Man in his absence from Earth--for all he knows, these Apes evolved from Earth Apes whist on a mission to the stars.He's got bigger problems to contend with! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> It's called suspension of disbelief:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief.
>
> Chris L.
>

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I saw it when I was 7.

I think it was the perfect age.

 

In a message dated 10/19/2011 8:42:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, andrewredman06@... writes:

im andy im from the north of england , uk , i first saw the posters going up for planet of the apes at the cinema back in 1968 but being only 7 i was too young to go see it but it was engraved upon my mind.

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> I figured this would happen as soon as I saw Bill Nighy in one of
> the Pirates movies as Barnacle Bill....

Just to be pedantic, Bill Nighy played Davy Jones.

> He was on set but they
> completely did his 'make-up' with CGI....I realized right then that
> the great makeup days in film was over...

The Pirates movies have had some terrific CGI "makeup," especially the
Davy Jones character. There would have been no way to pull that off
with traditional makeup---not and still have all the tentacles moving
around, etc.

Now if all studios spent the money on the CGI FX that was spent on the
Pirates CGI FX, CGI wouldn't have quite as bad a rap....

Hunter

The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!


From: Tim "apefan"
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:08 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: New poll for pota




I figured this would happen as soon as I saw Bill Nighy in one of the Pirates movies as Barnacle Bill....He was on set but they completely did his 'make-up' with CGI....I realized right then that the great makeup days in film was over...




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From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:02 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: New poll for pota





Thats what I feel. I dont mind either way but as the Apes get more humanized the makeup factor can easily come back without a problem and the special effects makeup can be CGI. They might stay CGI because it caused such a ruckus but especially in (hopefully) even later sequels makeup would be the easiest with alittle CGI thrown in for some mouth or physical effects. Take Care, John M.


I don't know, but I think most actors would prefer having little green dots pasted on their faces rather than heavy prosthetics and hours in a makeup chair.
They might used actors in masks for background apes at a far distance, but I think prosthetics and Fox APES movies are a thing of the past. I think one of the big things Fox learned from POTA2001 was that actors in ape makeup, no matter how good it is, is always something akin to Kabuki Theatre and can too easily slid into camp.

-- Rory

Film gives the best resolution and overall picture, analog sound is still the best, but everything is digital for convience sake and money and not quality. Digital will be the best medium in about 10-30 years in all things (outside of photorealistic characters, which proved its good now), and thats good but its not Art. Its not art in my view because its a computer medium and a computer not artist can create a creation resembling art without the artist. Technology not Artistry will be the new film makers tool. I might be overstating things since every artist uses tools of some sort. We all know the best film shows were from the late 50s and early 60s eg;Todd-Ao 65mm 30fps, Cinerama(maybe), all the incarnations of cinemascope from the various studios and thats not including the great sound and sound systems (10 watt tube amps)of the time. As usual we as a technological nation rush things and hense have growing pains. The good old days were better for Film and their is no argument. Cost, and for good reason most of the time, is what is driving the market now. Nothing wrong with digital but it will take time to convince the artistans of old that its superior, and this has Nothing to do with age or "The good old days". I could be wrong,LOL, Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
>
>
> From: Tim "apefan"
> Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:08 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: New poll for pota
>
>
>
>
> I figured this would happen as soon as I saw Bill Nighy in one of the Pirates movies as Barnacle Bill....He was on set but they completely did his 'make-up' with CGI....I realized right then that the great makeup days in film was over...
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: "Haristas@..." <Haristas@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 11:02 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: New poll for pota
>
>
>
>
>
> Thats what I feel. I dont mind either way but as the Apes get more humanized the makeup factor can easily come back without a problem and the special effects makeup can be CGI. They might stay CGI because it caused such a ruckus but especially in (hopefully) even later sequels makeup would be the easiest with alittle CGI thrown in for some mouth or physical effects. Take Care, John M.
>
>
> I don't know, but I think most actors would prefer having little green dots pasted on their faces rather than heavy prosthetics and hours in a makeup chair.
> They might used actors in masks for background apes at a far distance, but I think prosthetics and Fox APES movies are a thing of the past. I think one of the big things Fox learned from POTA2001 was that actors in ape makeup, no matter how good it is, is always something akin to Kabuki Theatre and can too easily slid into camp.
>
> -- Rory
>

it was an age thing , there was an age limit on films then no pg like now , i would of loved to go see it then but i did see it eventually

Welcome and hello to a fellow Brit, sort of. My family like I told John R. came from Newcastle- upon-tyne in the north. I also was 7-8 when the original POTA68 came out and it was Beneath where my love started and Conquest just blew me away. Why certain films effect us are a total genetic, hormonal, and age related phenominal. Take care welcome and speak your mind, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
>
> im andy im from the north of england , uk , i first saw the posters going up for planet of the apes at the cinema back in 1968 but being only 7 i was too young to go see it but it was engraved upon my mind. my first ape film at the cinema was escape which strangely being shown alomgside planet was shown first . these two are my favourite two ape films planet being the first . i am not a lover of the burton film as my facebook posts will testify . i was happy when rise came along because it didnt dissapoint and it has fuelled the ape franchise again thanks to jessica for helping this ol gorilla to find this group
>

I think I tend to particularly like John's explanation below for what Taylor may have thought about the apes' use of his native English (as the franchise admitted in Escape from the POTA, years later) even as he was ultimately surprised to learn he was on Earth. Maybe he even thought there could be parallel universes...albeit with the species-inversion in the one in which he'd landed.

John's explanation below does seem to suggest that POTA2001 has some redeeming qualities, doesn't it? It bails out our beloved POTA1968... :-)

Happy Halloween to all :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> On a related topic,there's been lots of debate about the lack of a Moon, but I think there's been too much read into Dodge's comment about luminosity and yet 'no moon'.I think he's just saying that, the night before, there was no moon--NOT that there's no satellite, full stop.As a plot device, it's crucial--if our intrepid trio saw the Moon, they'd recognise it as their own and realise they were back on Earth. As for speaking English, Taylor has no way of knowing WHAT colonisation experiments were achieved by Man in his absence from Earth--for all he knows, these Apes evolved from Earth Apes whist on a mission to the stars.He's got bigger problems to contend with! John, Scrolls.
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@ wrote:
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> > It's called suspension of disbelief:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief.
> >
> > Chris L.
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Sad but true. Unless people demand it.

The only reason vinyl made something

of a comeback is there was a market for it.

Tape, on the other hand...There will be a place

for it, but it's too expensive to maintain big reel

to reel machines.  Most studios don't bother with it.

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/31/2011 3:26:23 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

FILM is over!

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I'm not expecting much from China.

They way they monkey with their currency,

it'll be luck to get more than 10 million or so.

Still, anything to push towards the half billion mark.

 

 

In a message dated 10/31/2011 3:32:45 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

This was the weekend it dug it's way to China so that certainly added to the pot.

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LOL!

I remember when PG was called GP.

Now I feel old.

 

 

In a message dated 10/31/2011 7:38:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, andrewredman06@... writes:

it was an age thing , there was an age limit on films then no pg like now

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I think makeup may go to Indie film,

and only if their are only a few required.

Large scale makeup will out weigh the

cost benefits of CG makeup.  And actors

would probably rather wear a camera they

can take off between setups. It's just easier.

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/31/2011 12:44:14 P.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

I realized right then that the great makeup days in film was over...

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Im not trying to be condecending but everybody is making the language an issue of the script when its just an issue of moviemaking. People are not going to watch a subtitled sci-fi film in 1968 when the selling point is the makeup in the top two thirds of the screen and at the same time have to look at the bottom of the screen to understand apes who can talk and then talk a Battlefield Earth language. Not trying to burst bubbles but Heston was right in his diaries that English is the Film language in the majority of the world at that time so suspension of disbelief is in order. It also makes the ending an answer to all these questions and give the audience a nice bow around the film and explain everything, and it did, and thats why its such a great ending. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> I think I tend to particularly like John's explanation below for what Taylor may have thought about the apes' use of his native English (as the franchise admitted in Escape from the POTA, years later) even as he was ultimately surprised to learn he was on Earth. Maybe he even thought there could be parallel universes...albeit with the species-inversion in the one in which he'd landed.
>
> John's explanation below does seem to suggest that POTA2001 has some redeeming qualities, doesn't it? It bails out our beloved POTA1968... :-)
>
> Happy Halloween to all :-)
>
>

Well, as a Catholic, confession is supposed to be good for the soul, so I'll confess that yes,indeed, I DO feel Burton's Apes has some redeeming bits---there's the vague suggestion of a good film in there trying to break out through the big movie circus it became.However,if my penance for admitting that is having to watch it again, I'm turning protestant!The biggest crime Burton's movie was guilty of was wasting Tim Roth---Tim Roth in an Apes movie SHOULD be cinematic gold.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
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> I think I tend to particularly like John's explanation below for what Taylor may have thought about the apes' use of his native English (as the franchise admitted in Escape from the POTA, years later) even as he was ultimately surprised to learn he was on Earth. Maybe he even thought there could be parallel universes...albeit with the species-inversion in the one in which he'd landed.
>
> John's explanation below does seem to suggest that POTA2001 has some redeeming qualities, doesn't it? It bails out our beloved POTA1968... :-)
>
> Happy Halloween to all :-)
>
>

Been luxuriating in my X-Men First Class blu ray and the deleted scenes are wonderful--I can't fathom why on earth they were cut.There's one , slightly mind-scarring, scene with Magneto in drag that is just brilliant.Fassbender in a wig and dress.....and they CUT it??? Methinks the man was had! Hope the ROTPOTA deleted scenes are as good as these!John, Scrolls.

I have to agree with John here. Having everyone speak english, even when on an alien planet, was simply a convention of filmmaking at that time. Criticizing POTA for this is like criticizing Casablanca for being filmmed in Black and White.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
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> Im not trying to be condecending but everybody is making the language an issue of the script when its just an issue of moviemaking. People are not going to watch a subtitled sci-fi film in 1968 when the selling point is the makeup in the top two thirds of the screen and at the same time have to look at the bottom of the screen to understand apes who can talk and then talk a Battlefield Earth language. Not trying to burst bubbles but Heston was right in his diaries that English is the Film language in the majority of the world at that time so suspension of disbelief is in order. It also makes the ending an answer to all these questions and give the audience a nice bow around the film and explain everything, and it did, and thats why its such a great ending. John M.
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