--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have to agree with John here. Having everyone speak english, even when
> on an alien planet, was simply a convention of filmmaking at that time.
> Criticizing POTA for this is like criticizing Casablanca for being
> filmmed in Black and White.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Im not trying to be condecending but everybody is making the language
> an issue of the script when its just an issue of moviemaking. People are
> not going to watch a subtitled sci-fi film in 1968 when the selling
> point is the makeup in the top two thirds of the screen and at the same
> time have to look at the bottom of the screen to understand apes who can
> talk and then talk a Battlefield Earth language. Not trying to burst
> bubbles but Heston was right in his diaries that English is the Film
> language in the majority of the world at that time so suspension of
> disbelief is in order. It also makes the ending an answer to all these
> questions and give the audience a nice bow around the film and explain
> everything, and it did, and thats why its such a great ending. John M.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have to agree with John here. Having everyone speak english, even when
> on an alien planet, was simply a convention of filmmaking at that time.
> Criticizing POTA for this is like criticizing Casablanca for being
> filmmed in Black and White.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > Im not trying to be condecending but everybody is making the language
> an issue of the script when its just an issue of moviemaking. People are
> not going to watch a subtitled sci-fi film in 1968 when the selling
> point is the makeup in the top two thirds of the screen and at the same
> time have to look at the bottom of the screen to understand apes who can
> talk and then talk a Battlefield Earth language. Not trying to burst
> bubbles but Heston was right in his diaries that English is the Film
> language in the majority of the world at that time so suspension of
> disbelief is in order. It also makes the ending an answer to all these
> questions and give the audience a nice bow around the film and explain
> everything, and it did, and thats why its such a great ending. John M.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I agree.Macbeth doesn't have to be in Gaelic to be enjoyable.I'm just throwing a 'plot filling' bone as an idea.Me, personally--I prefer English to subtitles!Boulle had the option of having his hero earn a new language but Serling and Wilson didn't.Doctor Who is the standard bearer for the 'let's just get on with the story and don't ask inconvenient questions' approach. John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have to agree with John here. Having everyone speak english, even when
> > on an alien planet, was simply a convention of filmmaking at that time.
> > Criticizing POTA for this is like criticizing Casablanca for being
> > filmmed in Black and White.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Im not trying to be condecending but everybody is making the language
> > an issue of the script when its just an issue of moviemaking. People are
> > not going to watch a subtitled sci-fi film in 1968 when the selling
> > point is the makeup in the top two thirds of the screen and at the same
> > time have to look at the bottom of the screen to understand apes who can
> > talk and then talk a Battlefield Earth language. Not trying to burst
> > bubbles but Heston was right in his diaries that English is the Film
> > language in the majority of the world at that time so suspension of
> > disbelief is in order. It also makes the ending an answer to all these
> > questions and give the audience a nice bow around the film and explain
> > everything, and it did, and thats why its such a great ending. John M.
> > >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:
>
> MacBeth was Scottish...Hamlet was Danish!
>
>
>
>

>
> You know I realized it after I wrote Macbeth. MC is irish Mac is scottish and as a partime breader of terriers I made a booboo as I was thinking Hamlet and to fast with the keyboard. Silly me.Take care, John M.
>

>
>
> Welcome and hello to a fellow Brit, sort of. My family like I told John R. came from Newcastle- upon-tyne in the north. I also was 7-8 when the original POTA68 came out and it was Beneath where my love started and Conquest just blew me away. Why certain films effect us are a total genetic, hormonal, and age related phenominal. Take care welcome and speak your mind, John M.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@> wrote:
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> They won't, they'll just rerelease the old blus again. Occupy Fox! Oh, they're already doing that.
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/occupy-l-a-targets-news-corp-meeting-at-fox-studios/
>
>

>
> The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
> >
> >
>
> im sure that as they made andy serkis look like ceaser that with cgi , that as the films ( we live in hope :) ) progress that they can cgi the actors to look more like the "man apes" of the origional films , this way too it would leave the door open for more actors who may be worried about putting on makeup like edward g robinson at the beginning
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > You know I realized it after I wrote Macbeth. MC is irish Mac is scottish and as a partime breader of terriers I made a booboo as I was thinking Hamlet and to fast with the keyboard. Silly me.Take care, John M.
> >
>
>
> mc is scottish too , my ancestry is scottish , as for no moon that dodge mentions , was it because of a radiation effect on the skys in the forbidden zone but as for the lightning and no rain that actually happens in the desert in arizona , i guess if they had done planet in a non english guise it would have taken away the delightful voices of those brilliant actors , i remember how taken aback everybody in the cinema was when they realised it was earth at the end of the film ... so how was taylor supposed to know (wink)
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
> >
> >
>
> im sure that as they made andy serkis look like ceaser that with cgi , that as the films ( we live in hope :) ) progress that they can cgi the actors to look more like the "man apes" of the origional films , this way too it would leave the door open for more actors who may be worried about putting on makeup like edward g robinson at the beginning
>

----- Original Message -----
From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:26 am
Subject: [pota] Re: New poll for pota

> The Edward G. debacle is an interesting one. He did have a bad
> heart but the real reason to leave Apes was simply he did not want
> to shave his mustache off and thats it. Sure he had other problems
> but the great Robinson like most actors was ecsentric and did not
> want to cover his new persona. The test makeup was applied without
> the mustache being a problem but when Chambers came into the
> picture and told him to shave for the glue would not stick Eddie
> told Chambers where to stick it and lost a great opertunity to end
> a wonderfull carrer with an unusual and important film. Take care,
> John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > im sure that as they made andy serkis look like ceaser that with
> cgi , that as the films ( we live in hope :) ) progress that
> they can cgi the actors to look more like the "man apes" of the
> origional films , this way too it would leave the door open for
> more actors who may be worried about putting on makeup like edward
> g robinson at the beginning
> >
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> While I would agree that the health issue and the associated arduous
> makeup process was the most probable and likely reason Robinson did not
> end up in the Zaius role, I also tend to believe that the second reason
> was his expected salary which was astronomically higher than the paltry
> $25K Evans received. This was all documented in one of the books
> (Revisited? Legend? I forget which one).
>
> I'm just glad he and Chuck ended up making Soylent Green together just
> before he passed away.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JohnM conquest-idor <johnmermigas@...>
> Date: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:26 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: New poll for pota
>
> > The Edward G. debacle is an interesting one. He did have a bad
> > heart but the real reason to leave Apes was simply he did not want
> > to shave his mustache off and thats it. Sure he had other problems
> > but the great Robinson like most actors was ecsentric and did not
> > want to cover his new persona. The test makeup was applied without
> > the mustache being a problem but when Chambers came into the
> > picture and told him to shave for the glue would not stick Eddie
> > told Chambers where to stick it and lost a great opertunity to end
> > a wonderfull carrer with an unusual and important film. Take care,
> > John M.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > im sure that as they made andy serkis look like ceaser that with
> > cgi , that as the films ( we live in hope :) ) progress that
> > they can cgi the actors to look more like the "man apes" of the
> > origional films , this way too it would leave the door open for
> > more actors who may be worried about putting on makeup like edward
> > g robinson at the beginning
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
> The demise of make-up is sad.We won't see pics of Apes riding in cars, scaring the bejayzus out of the public.We won't have those playful behind the scenes japes (a guy in a green suit wearing ping pong balls just isn't the same).We won't have the stock interview questions about '3 hour make-up ordeals'.CGI can look great on screen, but it loses EVERYTHING in publicity pic terms.The lack of variety with RISE photos shows that.And if they can do Caesar, why not a CGI James Franco next time? I was pleasantly surprised by RISE's CGI--it works brilliantly.But I'd prefer make-up.John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The "great makeup days in film" is over? FILM is over!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > im sure that as they made andy serkis look like ceaser that with cgi , that as the films ( we live in hope :) ) progress that they can cgi the actors to look more like the "man apes" of the origional films , this way too it would leave the door open for more actors who may be worried about putting on makeup like edward g robinson at the beginning
> >
>

>>> i remember how taken aback everybody in the cinema was when they realised it was earth at the end of the film ...<<<

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <andrewredman06@...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@> wrote:
> >
> > You know I realized it after I wrote Macbeth. MC is irish Mac is scottish and as a partime breader of terriers I made a booboo as I was thinking Hamlet and to fast with the keyboard. Silly me.Take care, John M.
> >
>
>
> mc is scottish too , my ancestry is scottish , as for no moon that dodge mentions , was it because of a radiation effect on the skys in the forbidden zone but as for the lightning and no rain that actually happens in the desert in arizona , i guess if they had done planet in a non english guise it would have taken away the delightful voices of those brilliant actors , i remember how taken aback everybody in the cinema was when they realised it was earth at the end of the film ... so how was taylor supposed to know (wink)
>

>>> i remember how taken aback everybody in the cinema was when they

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Dodge also metions a "strange cloud-cover" at night.
> - Scott B
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The apes helped profits rise at Fox parent company News Corporation, according to their quarterly report. Now maybe they'll return the favor and put it back in it's rightful place as the greatest franchise ever. We want merchandise, sequel news and, well, some excitement, pronto. It seems like the success of "Rise" is the best kept secret around.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/03/business/media/cable-tv-and-movies-buoy-news-corp-profits.html"
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:
>
> Dodge also metions a "strange cloud-cover" at night.
> - Scott B
>
>
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> They won't, they'll just rerelease the old blus again. Occupy Fox! Oh, they're already doing that.
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/occupy-l-a-targets-news-corp-meeting-at-fox-studios/
>
>
>
>
>
> The protestors should all be wearing ape suits and flinging feces at Fox.
>
> Man, how I hate that sleazeball, Murdoch. He's right wing scum and so is his dragon lady wife.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> They won't, they'll just rerelease the old blus again. Occupy Fox! Oh, they're already doing that.
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/occupy-l-a-targets-news-corp-meeting-at-fox-studios/
>
>
>
>
>
> The protestors should all be wearing ape suits and flinging feces at Fox.
>
> Man, how I hate that sleazeball, Murdoch. He's right wing scum and so is his dragon lady wife.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Andy Serkis has signed a big deal to return to POTA. Director Rupert Wyatt and the writers already in. Franco and Pinto pending.
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2011/11/andy-serkis-closes-big-planet-of-the-apes-deal-should-fox-campaign-for-oscar/
>

To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm.

Also, the first chapter of Marvel's comic adaptation of "Conquest of the Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Happy friday! This week's installment of THE MENDEZ DYNASTY is now
> online.
> To read the new MENDEZ biography, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home
> page or use this link:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> .
>
> Also, the first chapter of Marvel's comic adaptation of "Conquest of the
> Planet of the Apes" has been added to the MARVEL ARCHIVE.
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
> POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
> Have a bit more respect and watch the name calling. I don't know who here identifies as what, because I'd rather stick to POTA in this group, but I can say that I at least identify as pretty much right wing and we are not all bad. I feel the remark was uncalled for.
>
> Mel
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > They won't, they'll just rerelease the old blus again. Occupy Fox! Oh, they're already doing that.
> >
> > http://www.deadline.com/2011/10/occupy-l-a-targets-news-corp-meeting-at-fox-studios/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The protestors should all be wearing ape suits and flinging feces at Fox.
> >
> > Man, how I hate that sleazeball, Murdoch. He's right wing scum and so is his dragon lady wife.
> >
>

I just read this latest effort from BOOM and they really hit it out of the park with this one. This is the best POTA comic that I have read since the Revolution series or maybe even since the first few chapters of Marvel's Terror series back in the 70s. The art is true to the movies. It has an interesting story, also in the spirit of the movies, with good characters including a young Dr. Zaius and young Ursus. Good job BOOM.

Thanks John. Glad you and everyone else is enjoying the Mendez Dynasty. Unfortunately, there are only 3 more installments to go. But next month we'll starting our most ambitious weekly feature yet which is a follow-up to Ape City Chronicles. I hope everyone likes that as much as the Mendez Dynasty.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I'm gonna miss the Mendez saga when it ends.Any possibilities that a similar saga, with Zaius, Doswa et al could follow for Ape Council leaders?John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> The Edward G. debacle is an interesting one. He did have a bad heart but the real reason to leave Apes was simply he did not want to shave his mustache off and thats it. Sure he had other problems but the great Robinson like most actors was ecsentric and did not want to cover his new persona. The test makeup was applied without the mustache being a problem but when Chambers came into the picture and told him to shave for the glue would not stick Eddie told Chambers where to stick it and lost a great opertunity to end a wonderfull carrer with an unusual and important film. Take care, John M.
>
>
>
>
> Brian Pendreigh, in his book "The Legend of the Planet of the Apes," says that the real reason E.G. Robinson didn't play Dr. Zaius was because Jacobs had to keep the budget within limits and Robinson was going to cost $150,000.00. So, they bought off Robinson for $75,000 and hired Maurice Evans for $25,000. It still cost Fox $100,000 for an actor to play Zaius, but in the way they look at things in the movie business, Fox saved $50,000.
>
> I believe this story more than the beard or heart condition stories.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks John. Glad you and everyone else is enjoying the Mendez Dynasty.
> Unfortunately, there are only 3 more installments to go. But next month
> we'll starting our most ambitious weekly feature yet which is a
> follow-up to Ape City Chronicles. I hope everyone likes that as much as
> the Mendez Dynasty.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > I'm gonna miss the Mendez saga when it ends.Any possibilities that a
> similar saga, with Zaius, Doswa et al could follow for Ape Council
> leaders?John, Scrolls.
> >
>

>>There are NO MUTANTS in PLANET! The filmmakers hadn't conceived of

>>Correct. There's also the 'benefit of hindsight' argument that

>>Dodge also metions a "strange cloud-cover" at night.

>>It's called suspension of disbelief:

>>I think the makers of "Planet" threw in some things that don't make

>>There are NO MUTANTS in PLANET! The filmmakers hadn't conceived of

>>Correct. There's also the 'benefit of hindsight' argument that

>>Dodge also metions a "strange cloud-cover" at night.

>>It's called suspension of disbelief:

>>On a related topic,there' s been lots of debate about the lack

>>It's called suspension of disbelief:

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> This week's worldwide tally for "Rise of the POTA" puts it at $468.8 million according to boxofficemojo:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> That's pretty incredible in terms of legs. This week it passed the totals of such flicks as "300", "Galdiator", the original "Cars", and "Pretty Woman". It also had it's "Last Stand" with the X-Men. It has now beat every entry in Fox's Franchise of the Decade. I remember a few weeks ago I said "Matrix: Revolutions" would probably be the only "Matrix" movie it would beat. Well, it's now beat the original. With slightly more than $ 30 million to go (it made half that this week) $ 500 million worldwide seems assured (though you never know).
>

Great post Rich! I never got why some got so hung up about Milo and Taylor's ship.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> I always found it funny how some fans get hung up on certain aspects of
> the movies. Several years back in one of the Yahoo groups, someone was
> going on about how unrealistic Milo figuring out how to operate Taylor's
> ship was. To which you have to respond with "Really?". You're OK with the
> time travel, the talking apes and the evolution that had to take place in
> order for that to happen, the fact that ANYTHING survived a nuclear
> holocaust to a point where a new (and dominant) civilization emerged on
> the Earth. You're OK with large portions of NYC sinking beneath the
> surface of the planet yet remaining relatively intact, mutated,
> telepathic humans living in the ruins, and the fact that they have a
> fully functional 2000 year old atomic bomb that can (and did) obliterate
> the planet. THAT's all OK, but you get hung up on the fact that Milo
> salvaged Taylor's spaceship and figured out how to operate it?
>
> Really??
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

I have to say I have the same reaction as Rory whenever I read a synopsis for Planet that states Heston played Colonel Taylor. The character that Heston portrayed in Planet, and Beneath, is NOT Colonel Taylor. The character is not written as a military man nor does Heston play him as a military man. The fact that in a later film the character was given a military rank is more of a continuity error than anything else.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> There are NO MUTANTS in PLANET! The filmmakers hadn't conceived of human mutants living in the ruins of NYC when they made PLANET. To say in retrospect that this or that in PLANET is being caused by the mutants from BENEATH is just artistically wrong. If you insist that PLANET's story is part one of BENEATH's story, then fine, you and the makers of BENEATH are of the same mind, but artistically, I'm with Chuck Heston, and it merely bastardizes the original.
>
> -- Rory
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> Agreed that there was some deliberate misdirection on the part of
> PLANET's film makers. If you're going to have an ending like that, to
> have the viewers figure it out 25 minutes into the film would be pretty
> counterproductive. I also doubt the ending would have had the overall
> impact it did on cinema, pop culture, etc. In one sense, you could argue
> the ending was responsible for bringing about all that followed. Say what
> you want about the four sequels and two television series, but if it
> weren't for those we wouldn't have had all the merchandising we did in
> the 70's- and I don't believe ANYONE has a problem with all the Mego
> stuff, models, costumes, etc etc that came out. For that matter, I doubt
> this (or any other) POTA Yahoo group would even exist.
>
> I think that Dehn's work showed respect for the story of the original and
> simply expanded both within it (BENEATH), and beyond it (ESCAPE,
> CONQUEST, BATTLE).
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> I have to say I have the same reaction as Rory whenever I read a
> synopsis for Planet that states Heston played Colonel Taylor. The
> character that Heston portrayed in Planet, and Beneath, is NOT Colonel
> Taylor. The character is not written as a military man nor does Heston
> play him as a military man. The fact that in a later film the character
> was given a military rank is more of a continuity error than anything
> else.
>
>

Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several civilians such as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who walked on the moon.

But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not written or protrayed as a military man.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did come from their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a colonel is an Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more interesting. They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care, John M.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> I just read this latest effort from BOOM and they really hit it out of
> the park with this one. This is the best POTA comic that I have read
> since the Revolution series or maybe even since the first few chapters
> of Marvel's Terror series back in the 70s. The art is true to the
> movies. It has an interesting story, also in the spirit of the movies,
> with good characters including a young Dr. Zaius and young Ursus. Good
> job BOOM.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
learning that English

>
> Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> walked on the
> moon.
>
> But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> written or
> protrayed as a military man.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> colonel is an
> Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> John M.
> >
>
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> This week's worldwide tally for "Rise of the POTA" puts it at $468.8 million according to boxofficemojo:
>
> http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm
>
> That's pretty incredible in terms of legs. This week it passed the totals of such flicks as "300", "Galdiator", the original "Cars", and "Pretty Woman". It also had it's "Last Stand" with the X-Men. It has now beat every entry in Fox's Franchise of the Decade. I remember a few weeks ago I said "Matrix: Revolutions" would probably be the only "Matrix" movie it would beat. Well, it's now beat the original. With slightly more than $ 30 million to go (it made half that this week) $ 500 million worldwide seems assured (though you never know).
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@...> wrote:
>
>
> Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> cancelled when Mercury was formed).
>
> But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the
moon
> on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
>
> Dario
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did come from their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a colonel is an Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more interesting. They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care, John M.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> Armstrong left the Navy in 1960. By the time he became an astronaut, he
> was a civilian. But that is not the real point. Taylor as written and
> protrayed by Heston is not a military man.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Dario Sciola <darios@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> > time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> > test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> > cancelled when Mercury was formed).
> >
> > But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the
> moon
> > on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
> >
> > Dario
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Of all the continuity errors in the APES film series, whether or not Taylor was an Air Force Colonel has never been of any concern for me. But the dog tags thing in BENEATH is where it really started.
>
> Dog tags is what military people wear, and the astronauts in PLANET simply didn't have dog tags.
>
> So, along with many other things, such as the year being 3955, Cornelius and Zira not being in jail, the geography being mixed up, the sudden appearence of an Ape Army and General Ursus, etc., etc., BENEATH is really less a seamless continuation of PLANET's story, and more a sequel based on the previous movie.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 8:55 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
>
>
>
>
>
> Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> cancelled when Mercury was formed).
>
> But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the moon
> on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> learning that English
>
> >
> > Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> > civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> > walked on the
> > moon.
> >
> > But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> > written or
> > protrayed as a military man.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> > comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> > colonel is an
> > Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> > profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> > interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> > John M.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> SUCK!!!!!
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> SUCK!!!!!
>

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On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 8:27 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Well, technically, is Rise was a Conquest Do-Over,

the next should be Battle. But in Rise there was no

slave class cranked out by Ape Management. So

there has to be an awful lot of people NOT immune to

the virus. Because all the apes in all the jungles, zoos,

preserves and research facilities put together wouldn't

have a chance otherwise. Then, of course, that missing

Mars shot has to come back to earth to find it's become a

Planet of the Apes! And I'm off Brendan Fraser and Liam

Neeson for the Taylor character. My new pick is Jason Segel.

In a message dated 11/7/2011 6:04:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

What would YOU like to see?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The filmmakers and the studio are reportedly hashing out where the "Rise" sequel should go, so this seems like a good time to let our imaginations run wild and offer our own dream sequels. The first instinct is to use "Battle" as the model as "Conquest" was for "Rise" and that seems to be where the early suggestions from the director went. The humans forced underground by the virus (like the mutants in "Battle"), Koba (the bitter medical experiment chimp) wanting revenge (and possible genocide) on the humans (like Aldo), and Caesar trying to keep everyone calm (like, well, Caesar). There was also Maurice, the smarty orangutan, who reminded me of Virgil. The director has suggested the new generation of apes would be soldiers patrolling the evacuated human world (though with some humans that are immune to the virus to battle). This he has compared to "Full Metal Jacket" or maybe "12 Monkeys". The apes having the run of the human world would be groovy, especially if the movie is released around the time of the 50th anniversary of Boulle's book in 2013. Apes in the modern human world.
> This conception is fine with me. I also wouldn't mind bringing back some of the human actors from "Rise". Personally, I liked that cast and felt they were underused. It's already been suggested that Franco is immune to the virus (when that Franklin dude sneezes blood) so if Franco and Pinto are above ground helping Caesar that would be cool. Brian Cox could return as the villain (he certainly seems like the Kolp type). I could see "Rise 2" finishing the story of these characters (maybe ending with a statue of Caesar like "Battle" did) and then "Rise 3" taking place in the future. I still say I'd love to see "Rise 2" come out in 2013 for the Boulle 50th and "Rise 3" in 2018 for the movie 50th, especially if it's true they plan to tie it into the Heston film.
> Here's the director's take on a possible sequel:
> http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126
>
> What would YOU like to see?
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Great post Rich! I never got why some got so hung up about Milo and
> Taylor's ship.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@ wrote:
> >
> > I always found it funny how some fans get hung up on certain aspects
> of
> > the movies. Several years back in one of the Yahoo groups, someone was
> > going on about how unrealistic Milo figuring out how to operate
> Taylor's
> > ship was. To which you have to respond with "Really?". You're OK with
> the
> > time travel, the talking apes and the evolution that had to take place
> in
> > order for that to happen, the fact that ANYTHING survived a nuclear
> > holocaust to a point where a new (and dominant) civilization emerged
> on
> > the Earth. You're OK with large portions of NYC sinking beneath the
> > surface of the planet yet remaining relatively intact, mutated,
> > telepathic humans living in the ruins, and the fact that they have a
> > fully functional 2000 year old atomic bomb that can (and did)
> obliterate
> > the planet. THAT's all OK, but you get hung up on the fact that Milo
> > salvaged Taylor's spaceship and figured out how to operate it?
> >
> > Really??
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
> >
> >
>

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>
> If the idea was to explore how the planet got to the point where Taylor landed, then, personally, I'd like to see a story a 1000 years on.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> The Moon appears in BETRAYAL, so that's one question settled! John, Scrolls.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > If the idea was to explore how the planet got to the point where Taylor landed, then, personally, I'd like to see a story a 1000 years on.
>
> I'd prefer a sequel set about 10-20 after RISE. The main title sequence alone could show a montage of the collapse of human civilization after the virus has spread.
>
> Maybe we'd see sign language being widely used among the apes with perhaps the more gifted grunting a word or two. We'd see babies being born, Horses being used (hinted at in RISE). Not sure about clothing - I can see them perhaps wearing belts and straps for holding tools etc and it'd be too early for guns although they could show an awareness of what guns do and how they work.
>
> As for the humans, most have been driven underground and are reliant on drugs to keep them alive. Some still live in the abandoned and crumbling cities but it's a pretty miserable existence and they've been affected by the virus - perhaps not as clever as they used to be.
>
> in the 20 years since RISE they'd somehow need to explain a simian population explosion. There's only so many that could have been liberated from zoos etc.
>
> Just thinking out loud.
>
> Dave
>