An Oscar nomination for Serkis could benefit Rise, but also the prospect of launching more Rise sequels more affordably. Too many Hollywood actors (and especially their agents) get in excess of $20 million per picture nowadays (especially if royalties are included). I paid $14 to get to see Rise on opening weekend. If actors' prices came down, so could ticket prices. That would mean more Apes fans could emerge.
Anyhow, WETA's technology could help alternative actors make top quality films for less money. Serkis' is "only" getting a 7 digit payment to do Rise's sequel, to give you an idea. There may very well be some resentful folks in Hollywood who are tired of seeing a small group of actors get all the leading roles that they (or folks they know) could otherwise get if they could benefit from WETA's technology. Perhaps pro-Serkis-nomination types could figure out which groups in Hollywood favor such industry disruption, and form an alliance with 'em? They likely have at least some influence over those involved with the nomination process.

Happy Thanksgiving from Houston... :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.
>

I say it might have a chance for a Best Picture nomination. People really dig that movie and overall it doesn't seem like a great year for movies.


From: johnroche49
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:13 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.



Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

>
> I would like the next film to have more substance. I don't know why but I
> was not able to feel for any of the characters of the film...I was
> emotionally unattached. Except maybe for Buck. And thank goodness they
> killed off that idiot in the ape sanctuary...unless he comes back as a
> zombie. If they can't have any substance then please, go all out and make
> it full of blood and guts. No guts, no glory.
>

I more or less agree with this post: I'd also like more substance. Not saying that I disliked Rise - it was alright - but I didn't find it that intelligent or engaging like the original, and I didn't find any real attachment for any of the characters, bar the important one Caesar, and most of the acting, bar Caesar and Lithgow, wasn't up to much, which didn't help. Still, it did enough to warrant, for me, a sequel.

I think it's only natural that a sequel to this film takes place only a few years from Rise, where there is an equilibrium of power of sorts and still a lot of work for the Apes to do to finally set themselves free from humanity, before becoming the dominant force. I'm no great liker for Battle, but I do think that that's the type of story that the new Apes saga has to go through before the Mars astronauts arrive back in a few thousand years, just done better. I do look forward to the likely power struggle between Caesar and Koba; with Caesar wanting a more subtle and compassionate relationship between ape and human, while Koba wanting total dominance, if not genocide. Such a conflict has the potential for substance. Maybe even similar conflict within the human camp, too.

I'd also not like to see the apes, at this moment of time, freely talk with perfect diction. They should talk simplistically, like a five-year-old, and still sign to make up for anything lacking. Maybe talking should only be for the few bright ones, and even then it shouldn't be perfect and still rely on some signing. Clothing, if any, should be simplistic, too. Ape weaponry should also be of the level of swords and spears, that sort of thing. Mind you, that'll depend on how armed and intelligent the human opposition still is, how much the virus has decimated and weakened humanity. If there are a lot of organised intelligent humans armed to the teeth, that would make an all-out war between apes with spears and humans with guns a non-starter, or very hard to credibly handle. Apes, against those odds, would be more wise to keep hidden for a while longer. Maybe the gun could be, at this stage, seen as a weapon that lacks honour by most of the leading apes, like what's claimed about the giving up of guns in ancient Japan, with Koba wanting to use the weapon to realistically compete with the humans, while the idealistic Caesar sees the gun as a manifestation of humanity's past mistakes. Then again, maybe I'm just thinking too much, or not thinking that much at all. ;) Also, I'd like to see some good acting beyond Caesar. Oh, and Santa, can I also have a nice house, a decent car, a powerful computer, a cinema for a TV screen, and some tartar sauce for my fish supper. Oh, and goodwill to all men... and apes.


Graham

I just listened to the audio interview that you helpfully made available at:

http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126

During it, they discuss a need to move forward in time so that apes could inherit the intelligence genes and become a more credible threat to surviving humans. BUT IS SUCH A WAIT (and disappointing dilution of Koba's allies' memory-based anger towards humans) NECESSARY? After all, humans will be spreading the virus that some here have speculated could make apes more intelligent. If that premise holds true, then formerly captive apes could become intelligent while remembering firsthand how humans treated 'em when they still ruled the roost.
Otherwise, how would Caesar and crew manage to populate continents such as Africa with intelligent apes? By recycling humans' frequent flier miles and advertising stud services on EBay? :-)

Happy Thanksgiving from Houston...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The filmmakers and the studio are reportedly hashing out where the "Rise" sequel should go, so this seems like a good time to let our imaginations run wild and offer our own dream sequels. The first instinct is to use "Battle" as the model as "Conquest" was for "Rise" and that seems to be where the early suggestions from the director went. The humans forced underground by the virus (like the mutants in "Battle"), Koba (the bitter medical experiment chimp) wanting revenge (and possible genocide) on the humans (like Aldo), and Caesar trying to keep everyone calm (like, well, Caesar). There was also Maurice, the smarty orangutan, who reminded me of Virgil. The director has suggested the new generation of apes would be soldiers patrolling the evacuated human world (though with some humans that are immune to the virus to battle). This he has compared to "Full Metal Jacket" or maybe "12 Monkeys". The apes having the run of the human world would be groovy, especially if the movie is released around the time of the 50th anniversary of Boulle's book in 2013. Apes in the modern human world.
> This conception is fine with me. I also wouldn't mind bringing back some of the human actors from "Rise". Personally, I liked that cast and felt they were underused. It's already been suggested that Franco is immune to the virus (when that Franklin dude sneezes blood) so if Franco and Pinto are above ground helping Caesar that would be cool. Brian Cox could return as the villain (he certainly seems like the Kolp type). I could see "Rise 2" finishing the story of these characters (maybe ending with a statue of Caesar like "Battle" did) and then "Rise 3" taking place in the future. I still say I'd love to see "Rise 2" come out in 2013 for the Boulle 50th and "Rise 3" in 2018 for the movie 50th, especially if it's true they plan to tie it into the Heston film.
> Here's the director's take on a possible sequel:
> http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/apecentral/news/?a=44126
>
> What would YOU like to see?
>

The director said he wants to set it 8 years after "Rise". By then the next ape generation develops and the human race is up Shoot Creek. People dig Caesar and want to see what happens to him next.
Not much difference, lots of modern civilization still intact, a good nod to Boulle for the 50th anniversary. One or two more sequels could go deeper into the future.
Probably there wouldn't be a huge population explosion of apes at that point. Would probably stick to a small piece of land and deal with the apes from "Rise". Still San Francisco?
I enjoyed the "primitive" apes in "Rise" and I think there's more that could be done with them, learning the ways of civilization, before going into the future.


From: dave
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 5:45 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: What do we want in a sequel?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> If the idea was to explore how the planet got to the point where Taylor landed, then, personally, I'd like to see a story a 1000 years on.

I'd prefer a sequel set about 10-20 after RISE. The main title sequence alone could show a montage of the collapse of human civilization after the virus has spread.

Maybe we'd see sign language being widely used among the apes with perhaps the more gifted grunting a word or two. We'd see babies being born, Horses being used (hinted at in RISE). Not sure about clothing - I can see them perhaps wearing belts and straps for holding tools etc and it'd be too early for guns although they could show an awareness of what guns do and how they work.

As for the humans, most have been driven underground and are reliant on drugs to keep them alive. Some still live in the abandoned and crumbling cities but it's a pretty miserable existence and they've been affected by the virus - perhaps not as clever as they used to be.

in the 20 years since RISE they'd somehow need to explain a simian population explosion. There's only so many that could have been liberated from zoos etc.

Just thinking out loud.

Dave

West Hollywood, CA has just banned fur:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/08/fur-sales-banned-california-district?newsfeed=true

Any chance that Rise might be responsible? Perhaps those activists might be worth enlisting for the crusade to get Serkis recognized @ Oscars? And Rise, too?

Did you get an advance copy or is it released already?


In a message dated 11/8/2011 5:19:23 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> The Moon appears in BETRAYAL, so that's one question settled!

</HTML>

Any word on when the newest copy of SCROLLS might be available?</HTML>

Guys-

These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.

Too many of the arguments I see on the message boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.

Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.

And the moon is in Betrayal? I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best laid plans and all that.

As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.

I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.

Drew G.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Of all the continuity errors in the APES film series, whether or not Taylor was an Air Force Colonel has never been of any concern for me. But the dog tags thing in BENEATH is where it really started.
>
> Dog tags is what military people wear, and the astronauts in PLANET simply didn't have dog tags.
>
> So, along with many other things, such as the year being 3955, Cornelius and Zira not being in jail, the geography being mixed up, the sudden appearence of an Ape Army and General Ursus, etc., etc., BENEATH is really less a seamless continuation of PLANET's story, and more a sequel based on the previous movie.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dario Sciola <darios@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 8:55 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
>
>
>
>
>
> Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> cancelled when Mercury was formed).
>
> But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the moon
> on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> learning that English
>
> >
> > Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> > civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> > walked on the
> > moon.
> >
> > But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> > written or
> > protrayed as a military man.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> > comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> > colonel is an
> > Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> > profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> > interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> > John M.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:

>

> As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.
>

During the first film, Dodge does mention the blanket cloud on the planet during the night, which would have hidden the night sky. There was a moon, it's just not visible (hiding the constellations, too). Maybe you know this and mean something else (it's late here and I might have misunderstood), but I just wanted to say that nothing needs to be added about the "lack" of a moon, for it's already explained in the first film.

> I am trying to make this all work for all of us.

I enjoyed your Conspiracy quite a bit. Sure, I'm no fan of the mutants and consider that they shouldn't be seen to have an influence in the first film: they weren't in the minds of those who made the film at the time, as mentioned by Haristas in another post, and were added after the fact. Still, despite all that, your interpretation was enjoyable, mutants or not. I think one can be relaxed (or pragmatic) enough to enjoy a good story, even if it has some interpretations that one has issues with. It'd be boring if we all agreed with each other. ;)

Thanks for Conspiracy, and I look forward to reading the planned sequel.


Graham

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The 2012 calendar will be available in 2-3 weeks...and payment information for those interested will be up soon. It will include instructions on how to purchase one, some more information, MAYBE some more pictures, etc. on Matt Munson's website: http://www.mattmunson.com/

Executive Summary: 20 bucks shipped anywhere in the US. Probably 22 anywhere in the world. 16 of the most beautiful and talented members of the RPF (Replica Prop Forum) . Shrink wrapped. Will help to raise funds for the R2-KT Charity.

If you would like to buy one or more, please let me know and I will forward the tally to him so Matt can order enough of the calendars to be printed.

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Details:
The calendar starts with December of 2011, and goes through until March of 2013. Each page features between 4 and 5 pictures, and they're all amazing.

Here's a sample of what the months look like.



I submitted photos that you may already have seen before, but they were my best photos. And, it wasn't a contest, really. The person putting the calendar together was just worried about fluffing it with enough girls...when I replied he was up to 6...and he was trying to collect enough girls/photos to make a 16-month calendar. I'm actually Miss January 2013...so..I'll be ready to get tossed out as soon as the 2013 calendars come rolling around. :P

Jess.

I was looking at the BOOM! website where it shows the various covers for
the upcoming BETRAYAL miniseries... It shows issue # 01, cover "A" as being
$3.99 but covers "B", "C", and "D" for the same issue are priced at $9.99
each... Is this a possible typo or are all "variant" covers going to be so
overpriced? (Even with their first APES comic, the "B" covers are the same price
as the "A" covers and only the rarer 'chase' covers are higher priced
depending on where you get them...)</HTML>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:

>
> Did you get an advance copy or is it released already?

It's been available in the UK from comic book stores for about a week now.

Issue one is a superb beginning to this new series. In one issue it covers more ground and generates more excitement than IMHO the on-going series has managed in 7!

An excellent story with equally excellent art... it 'feels' like classic Apes.

Dave

Betrayal was released last week.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Did you get an advance copy or is it released already?
>
>
> In a message dated 11/8/2011 5:19:23 AM Central Standard Time,
> johnroche49@... writes:
>
>
> > The Moon appears in BETRAYAL, so that's one question settled!
>
> </HTML>
>

No offense Drew but anything other than the films themselves, and the TV series, are non-canonical. The various comics, novels and fan fiction that has been produced over the years is simply not canon.

That said I have no objection with saying the mutants exist during Planet. As long as none of the core story points in Planet are contradicted or revised; there is nothing wrong with that. It is just one person's interpretation and the POTA universe is big enough for multiple interpretations.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
> I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical.

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We're actively working on Siomian Scrolls #17 now (by which I mean Dave Ballard is actually doing all the work).We've got a lot a new and, hopefully, interesting material but we won't be out this year.Hopefully early next year.Obviously, we didn't want to overshadow RISE with a new issue this year (!).IO'm hoping the success of RISE might inspire some more fanzines.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> Any word on when the newest copy of SCROLLS might be available?</HTML>
>

A 'canon', just like a 'cannon' is something that, if you look to closely into it it, will blow your mind.I always go on the basis that what I think is right.And the same is true for every other fan too.If you look at the different versions of the history of any 20th Century war, you'll see that the truth is a flexible concept.Apes is a very, very rich tapestry--let's not stary into Doctor Who territory on 'canonicity', because those guys are just sad.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:
>
> Guys-
>
> These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.
>
> Too many of the arguments I see on the message boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.
>
> Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
>
> And the moon is in Betrayal? I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best laid plans and all that.
>
> As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.
>
> I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.
>
> Drew G.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of all the continuity errors in the APES film series, whether or not Taylor was an Air Force Colonel has never been of any concern for me. But the dog tags thing in BENEATH is where it really started.
> >
> > Dog tags is what military people wear, and the astronauts in PLANET simply didn't have dog tags.
> >
> > So, along with many other things, such as the year being 3955, Cornelius and Zira not being in jail, the geography being mixed up, the sudden appearence of an Ape Army and General Ursus, etc., etc., BENEATH is really less a seamless continuation of PLANET's story, and more a sequel based on the previous movie.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dario Sciola <darios@>
> > To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 8:55 am
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> > time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> > test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> > cancelled when Mercury was formed).
> >
> > But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the moon
> > on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@>
> > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> > learning that English
> >
> > >
> > > Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> > > civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> > > walked on the
> > > moon.
> > >
> > > But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> > > written or
> > > protrayed as a military man.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> > > comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> > > colonel is an
> > > Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> > > profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> > > interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> > > John M.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Well, I've already voted RISE my top film of 2011 on the TOTAL FILM site, so that pretty much guarantees the Oscar. Do you really think Best Picture could be possible? That would be truly marvellous---and richly deserved, imho.Can't us fans rattle our cages somehow in support? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I say it might have a chance for a Best Picture nomination. People really dig that movie and overall it doesn't seem like a great year for movies.
>
>
> From: johnroche49
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:13 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.
>
>
>
> Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, scott bosco <digitalcinema@...> wrote:

>
> In my opinion if Andy is nominated then why wasn't all thoses who did live action for animation overlay? Beauty & the Beast was a nominated for Best Picture. Those who did the live action for animation overlay should have also been considered? What Andy did is no more or less the same except computer imagery was overlayed - and distorted or amplified to get the desired effect needed.Â
> Bottom line - he doesn't deserve the nomination. What he did was only the skeleton for the CGI which was enhanced beyond his input. So where does the said talent begin, and or end? Unlike make-up which will only move and react from the person wearing it - it is NOT being further manipulated further by CGI.
> - Scott B,
>

Totally agree with this point of view. As much as I'd like an Apes film to get Oscar recognition, I don't think that it should be done via this route. Serkis did a good job, or appeared to (there's your problem), but there was further manipulation of Caesar's appearance that wasn't under Serkis's control, so any Oscar win should be shared amongst all those manipulating the appearance of Caesar. I don't believe that an Oscar nomination should ever be considered for an actor under the guise of a CGI animated character, for the actor is basically a mere template. Acting isn't just about body movement and posture, it's about expression and giving performance depth, and the CGI mo-cap takes a whole lot of that expression and subtlety beyond the actor's control... or at best it can be tweaked afterwards by animators using computers.


Graham

Well, that's what the controversy is about. Where does the acting end and the CG begin?
The reason this is being brought up is because of Andy's performance in "Rise", which some people think is pretty special. Why is this different than actors in animated movies (or as some have suggested, actors doing voices in cartoons)? That's what Fox hopes to educate people about. The motion capture process is different than animation. I guess for starters, in animation, the actor models the movement but the cartoon is drawn over them. But in motion capture, Andy's expressions and acting come through and give it something the CGers couldn't recreate (sometimes they have to manipulate it to make it more ape-like, as a makeup artist would do). The "Rise" director basically said that Caesar is Andy with a chimp body.
Obviously there's something to it for people in the industry to keep bringing it up. And with what looks like a lesser movie year (Oscar hopeful "J. Edgar" is currently getting shot down) maybe it will be a good time for POTA to make Oscar history again.


From: scott bosco
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:13 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.




In my opinion if Andy is nominated then why wasn't all thoses who did live action for animation overlay? Beauty & the Beast was a nominated for Best Picture. Those who did the live action for animation overlay should have also been considered? What Andy did is no more or less the same except computer imagery was overlayed - and distorted or amplified to get the desired effect needed.
Bottom line - he doesn't deserve the nomination. What he did was only the skeleton for the CGI which was enhanced beyond his input. So where does the said talent begin, and or end? Unlike make-up which will only move and react from the person wearing it - it is NOT being further manipulated further by CGI.
- Scott B,


From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.



An Oscar nomination for Serkis could benefit Rise, but also the prospect of launching more Rise sequels more affordably. Too many Hollywood actors (and especially their agents) get in excess of $20 million per picture nowadays (especially if royalties are included). I paid $14 to get to see Rise on opening weekend. If actors' prices came down, so could ticket prices. That would mean more Apes fans could emerge.
Anyhow, WETA's technology could help alternative actors make top quality films for less money. Serkis' is "only" getting a 7 digit payment to do Rise's sequel, to give you an idea. There may very well be some resentful folks in Hollywood who are tired of seeing a small group of actors get all the leading roles that they (or folks they know) could otherwise get if they could benefit from WETA's technology. Perhaps pro-Serkis-nomination types could figure out which groups in Hollywood favor such industry disruption, and form an alliance with 'em? They likely have at least some influence over those involved with the nomination process.

Happy Thanksgiving from Houston... :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.
>

"This movie is not possible without the work of Andy Serkis". - - - Joe Letteri of WETA

Here's a short about the mo-cap on "Rise" that features side by side comparisons of Andy and Caesar. Probably the kind of stuff Fox will be showing at Oscar time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fOMDfVsUCU

And here's a pretty good commentary on the controversy:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/hollywood-prospectus/post/_/id/34543/oscarmetrics-can-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-andy-serkis-break-the-oscar-mo-cap-barrier


From: scott bosco
Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:13 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.




In my opinion if Andy is nominated then why wasn't all thoses who did live action for animation overlay? Beauty & the Beast was a nominated for Best Picture. Those who did the live action for animation overlay should have also been considered? What Andy did is no more or less the same except computer imagery was overlayed - and distorted or amplified to get the desired effect needed.
Bottom line - he doesn't deserve the nomination. What he did was only the skeleton for the CGI which was enhanced beyond his input. So where does the said talent begin, and or end? Unlike make-up which will only move and react from the person wearing it - it is NOT being further manipulated further by CGI.
- Scott B,


From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:22 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.



An Oscar nomination for Serkis could benefit Rise, but also the prospect of launching more Rise sequels more affordably. Too many Hollywood actors (and especially their agents) get in excess of $20 million per picture nowadays (especially if royalties are included). I paid $14 to get to see Rise on opening weekend. If actors' prices came down, so could ticket prices. That would mean more Apes fans could emerge.
Anyhow, WETA's technology could help alternative actors make top quality films for less money. Serkis' is "only" getting a 7 digit payment to do Rise's sequel, to give you an idea. There may very well be some resentful folks in Hollywood who are tired of seeing a small group of actors get all the leading roles that they (or folks they know) could otherwise get if they could benefit from WETA's technology. Perhaps pro-Serkis-nomination types could figure out which groups in Hollywood favor such industry disruption, and form an alliance with 'em? They likely have at least some influence over those involved with the nomination process.

Happy Thanksgiving from Houston... :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.
>

To me, canon is an entirely moot point. I couldn't care less what is labeled canon or non-canon. It's all fiction. I care ONLY about whether or not I enjoy a story. If I don't enjoy it, I don't waste my time on re-reads or re-watches. If I enjoy it, I devote time to revisiting it.

Too many fans--in all franchise fandoms--get caught up in useless debates about what is or is not canon. Meanwhile, the classic films have so many inconsistencies that creating a canon out of them is virtually impossible.

I love the classic films. I love Rise. I love Boulle's novel. I love the TV series and its various spinoff stories. And I love the Marvel, Mr. Comics, Boom, Dark Horse and (most) Malibu comics. So for me, those represent what's good about Planet of the Apes.

On the other hand, I don't like the cartoons, Apeslayer or some of the Malibu comics, and I consider Burton's film a failure despite some positive aspects. These, then, I don't give much thought to when I consider what makes for good Planet of the Apes.

In the end, all that matters is what each individual does or doesn't enjoy. If Fox were to officially come forward and announce that Conquest never happened, or that the TV series didn't happen, or that the comics don't count... well, so what? It would in no way affect my enjoyment of them. And the reverse is also true. If Fox had a mental breakdown and inexplicably decided that the cartoons were part of the film universe, then it wouldn't in any way change the fact that I don't count them as such since they can't be made to fit.

Some fans see the films and TV series as separate universes. Some see them as the same. Some fans see the timeline as circular and unchanging. Some see it as linear and changing. Some fans enjoy working the comics into the tapestry. Some refuse to even read them. Who's right? Well, no one, since none of it happened. My enjoyment of POTA, and the way that I choose to interpret the universe, is in no way contingent on what other fans--or even Fox--constitutes Planet of the Apes. Canon, shmanon, I say.

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I'm curious, why do you think the Who guys are sad? I'm not really a fan, I was just wondering.

Mel

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> A 'canon', just like a 'cannon' is something that, if you look to closely into it it, will blow your mind.I always go on the basis that what I think is right.And the same is true for every other fan too.If you look at the different versions of the history of any 20th Century war, you'll see that the truth is a flexible concept.Apes is a very, very rich tapestry--let's not stary into Doctor Who territory on 'canonicity', because those guys are just sad.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> There you go! That's the right attitude.
>
> Within the universe of Boulle's PLANET OF THE APES are many planets.
>
> Doctor Who needs to land his tardis on the planet of the apes, get stripped nude and thrown in a cage with the ugliest woman in the universe. Now that's an episode I'd like to see.
>

John Mills was lauded in Ryan's Daughter but you could argue it was the mouth prosthetic that did it---likewise Brando in The Godfather.John Hurt as the Elephant Man owed much to his artificial aid.If it was,indeed, Serkis' PERFORMANCE, not just motion, that was captured, then it was one hell of a performance.It moved me like few movies have done in the past 10 years.In modern cinema, I think the time has arrived for an acting effort like this---at what point do we draw the line.Most crying scenes are achieved with eye irritants, lines are over-dubbed later, make-up accentuates wrinles etc--my opinion is that it's the final performance and its impact that is what matters.But maybe I'm biased! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I think it would be nice if he were nominated (After all, Serkis was acting, wasn't he?), but I don't expect Academy members will do it (They're too conservative.), and even if he were nominated (Which I think could happen, however improbable.), I think it unlikely in the end he'd win.
>
> So, for me, this whole thing is moot.
>
> Besides... Oscars? Who cares? I can't even remember last year's nominees and winners.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 9, 2011 12:30 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.
>
>
>
>
> Well, that's what the controversy is about. Where does the acting end and the CG begin?
> The reason this is being brought up is because of Andy's performance in "Rise", which some people think is pretty special. Why is this different than actors in animated movies (or as some have suggested, actors doing voices in cartoons)? That's what Fox hopes to educate people about. The motion capture process is different than animation. I guess for starters, in animation, the actor models the movement but the cartoon is drawn over them. But in motion capture, Andy's expressions and acting come through and give it something the CGers couldn't recreate (sometimes they have to manipulate it to make it more ape-like, as a makeup artist would do). The "Rise" director basically said that Caesar is Andy with a chimp body.
> Obviously there's something to it for people in the industry to keep bringing it up. And with what looks like a lesser movie year (Oscar hopeful "J. Edgar" is currently getting shot down) maybe it will be a good time for POTA to make Oscar history again.
>
> From: scott bosco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 8:13 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.
>
> In my opinion if Andy is nominated then why wasn't all thoses who did live action for animation overlay? Beauty & the Beast was a nominated for Best Picture. Those who did the live action for animation overlay should have also been considered? What Andy did is no more or less the same except computer imagery was overlayed - and distorted or amplified to get the desired effect needed.
> Bottom line - he doesn't deserve the nomination. What he did was only the skeleton for the CGI which was enhanced beyond his input. So where does the said talent begin, and or end? Unlike make-up which will only move and react from the person wearing it - it is NOT being further manipulated further by CGI.
> - Scott B,
>
> From: georgetaylor68 <georgetaylor68@...>
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:22 AM
> Subject: [pota] Re: Andy Serkis Oscar Campaign.
>
> An Oscar nomination for Serkis could benefit Rise, but also the prospect of launching more Rise sequels more affordably. Too many Hollywood actors (and especially their agents) get in excess of $20 million per picture nowadays (especially if royalties are included). I paid $14 to get to see Rise on opening weekend. If actors' prices came down, so could ticket prices. That would mean more Apes fans could emerge.
> Anyhow, WETA's technology could help alternative actors make top quality films for less money. Serkis' is "only" getting a 7 digit payment to do Rise's sequel, to give you an idea. There may very well be some resentful folks in Hollywood who are tired of seeing a small group of actors get all the leading roles that they (or folks they know) could otherwise get if they could benefit from WETA's technology. Perhaps pro-Serkis-nomination types could figure out which groups in Hollywood favor such industry disruption, and form an alliance with 'em? They likely have at least some influence over those involved with the nomination process.
>
> Happy Thanksgiving from Houston... :-)
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > Is there anything we, as Apesfans, can do to give a push to the Oscar campaign for Andy Serkis? It would be a hell of a thing if he gets nominated, and may open the door to other categories for RISE. John, Scrolls.
> >
>

There are many reasons why the Who guys are sad, but I don't want to be overly offensive on Group.A friend of mine is a commercial artist and has done a lot of Who dvd, book covers etc.At conventions, he is berated if a painting has a head at a slightly different angle to the still from the show.THAT is how nerdishly,anally retentive, Who-dom is.I'm resisting...manfully...the temptation to get into other Who stereotypes.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "knightangel314" <chimel23@...> wrote:
>
> I'm curious, why do you think the Who guys are sad? I'm not really a fan, I was just wondering.
>
> Mel
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > A 'canon', just like a 'cannon' is something that, if you look to closely into it it, will blow your mind.I always go on the basis that what I think is right.And the same is true for every other fan too.If you look at the different versions of the history of any 20th Century war, you'll see that the truth is a flexible concept.Apes is a very, very rich tapestry--let's not stary into Doctor Who territory on 'canonicity', because those guys are just sad.John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There you go! That's the right attitude.
> >
> > Within the universe of Boulle's PLANET OF THE APES are many planets.
> >
> > Doctor Who needs to land his tardis on the planet of the apes, get stripped nude and thrown in a cage with the ugliest woman in the universe. Now that's an episode I'd like to see.
> >
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Blam" <blamventurer@...> wrote:

>
> Guys-
>
> These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.
>
> Too many of the arguments I see on the message boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.
>
> Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
>
> And the moon is in Betrayal? I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best laid plans and all that.
>
> As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.
>
> I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.
>
> Drew G.
>
>

wasnt taylor a colonel when mentioned in escape ? i think that rise has opened a great new view on planet of the apes and as for canon, didnt ceaser change things shouldnt it have been aldo as spoken by cornelius again in escape , as hasslein said time is like freeways and lanes ( or something like that ) all rise is doing is taking another timeline . whether we see taylor in further films i dont know ( i hope not for sentimental reasons ), as for the dogtags , they had them because of the mission they were on read conspiracy by drew gaska . although it has bothered me that taylor kept his when in drews book they are thrown away and in planet they were nowere in sight , wasnt taylor stripped in the courtroom ?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:

>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@ wrote:
> >
> > Did you get an advance copy or is it released already?
>
> It's been available in the UK from comic book stores for about a week now.
>
> Issue one is a superb beginning to this new series. In one issue it covers more ground and generates more excitement than IMHO the on-going series has managed in 7!
>
> An excellent story with equally excellent art... it 'feels' like classic Apes.
>
> Dave
>

this comic is bound to be a classic it has that origional film feel and harkens back to the great marvel comics of the 70,s cant wait until next month , try ace comics !!!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...> wrote:

>
> I would like the next film to have more substance. I don't know why but I
> was not able to feel for any of the characters of the film...I was
> emotionally unattached. Except maybe for Buck. And thank goodness they
> killed off that idiot in the ape sanctuary...unless he comes back as a
> zombie. If they can't have any substance then please, go all out and make
> it full of blood and guts. No guts, no glory.
>

i think andy serkis played a chimp brilliantly , i think the thing that made it different was the apes were not the "man apes" we are used to in the films , they better hadnt bring back taylor , please that just wouldnt be right , who the heck could really play taylor , chuck WAS taylor . im keen to see the next film and see how it pans out , and yes now rise has opened the story , now more action

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Doctor Who needs to land his tardis on the planet of the apes, get stripped nude and thrown in a cage with the ugliest woman in the universe. Now that's an episode I'd like to see.
>

The TV series can go both ways, it can be part of the films' universe or is could be independent of it like the animated series or the Burton film. While there is nothing in the series to link it to the films; there is also nothing that says it isn't linked. It's really up to each fan's personal preference on how they view the series.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I don't see how the TV series fits into the "canon" of the film series, especially if the film series is a closed circle.
>

It's not really a moot point. Canon is merely a baseline or starting point that everyone agrees on. For most franchises like Star Trek or Terminator, etc. the standard is the films (and/or TV series) are considered canon and everything else is not. I don't think anyone would dispute that the POTA films and TV series are canon. Some fans may want to think that the Marvel comics are canon while others may want to say that the Malibu comics are canon. But by virtue of the disagreement, neither is canon.

Recognizing the films as canon just respects them as being on a higher level than the various novels, stories and comics that have been done over the years. While they may be excellent, and in some cases tell better stories than some of the movies or TV episodes, they don't deserve to be raised to the same level of the original films. No one is saying that they have to be enjoyed less, just that they are not on the same level of the films.

Right now there is Drew's novel and the Boom comics being published. Should Drew be handcuffed creatively by Boom's story? Should Boom be handcuffed creatively by Drew's novel? No, but they both need to respect the original films as canon. Without respecting canon you give equal weight to stories where Cornelius is an alien disguised as an Ape or Taylor is a undercover Russian agent out to destroy the US space program or the mutants are robots and the bomb is sky net controlling them.

As far as the inconsistencies, most are inconsequential to the greater story being told. 3978 vs. 3955, does it really matter? Does it in anyway change the core tenants of the story? No. All film series have inconsistencies, as does life. Focusing on them is failing to see the forest for the trees. Saying that the inconsistencies invalidate the films as canon is like saying global warming is a hoax because Al Gore owns a car.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "rassmguy" <handleyr@...> wrote:
>
> To me, canon is an entirely moot point. I couldn't care less what is labeled canon or non-canon. It's all fiction. I care ONLY about whether or not I enjoy a story. If I don't enjoy it, I don't waste my time on re-reads or re-watches. If I enjoy it, I devote time to revisiting it.
>
> Too many fans--in all franchise fandoms--get caught up in useless debates about what is or is not canon. Meanwhile, the classic films have so many inconsistencies that creating a canon out of them is virtually impossible.
>
> I love the classic films. I love Rise. I love Boulle's novel. I love the TV series and its various spinoff stories. And I love the Marvel, Mr. Comics, Boom, Dark Horse and (most) Malibu comics. So for me, those represent what's good about Planet of the Apes.
>
> On the other hand, I don't like the cartoons, Apeslayer or some of the Malibu comics, and I consider Burton's film a failure despite some positive aspects. These, then, I don't give much thought to when I consider what makes for good Planet of the Apes.
>
> In the end, all that matters is what each individual does or doesn't enjoy. If Fox were to officially come forward and announce that Conquest never happened, or that the TV series didn't happen, or that the comics don't count... well, so what? It would in no way affect my enjoyment of them. And the reverse is also true. If Fox had a mental breakdown and inexplicably decided that the cartoons were part of the film universe, then it wouldn't in any way change the fact that I don't count them as such since they can't be made to fit.
>
> Some fans see the films and TV series as separate universes. Some see them as the same. Some fans see the timeline as circular and unchanging. Some see it as linear and changing. Some fans enjoy working the comics into the tapestry. Some refuse to even read them. Who's right? Well, no one, since none of it happened. My enjoyment of POTA, and the way that I choose to interpret the universe, is in no way contingent on what other fans--or even Fox--constitutes Planet of the Apes. Canon, shmanon, I say.
>

I always thought the movies were set on the East Coast and
the TV show was set in California, so the fact that the
humans couldn't talk in the films, but could on TV, was
an east coast-west coast thing!

I am reading Conspiracy and enjoying it. It fills in some
of the details around and between POTA and Beneath.
It's not "Hamlet" but it's nice to re-visit my favorite
POTA characters seen from a different angle.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Drew,
>
> First of all, it's obvious you're the real deal and not just trying to sell a book. I appreciate all it took to get that book out there and I hope it's selling well (with the new movie and all). I did enjoy being able to immerse myself in a big story based directly on the films. Not to mention all the great art in a nice hardbound book. It's a POTA first, and congrats.
> This last couple of years have been surreal at the POTA level. Rich's books, your book, the new movie and it's incredible response. Hopefully there will be enough sales so you can continue. I think Fox is currently planning on promoting POTA big time with merch, sequels, etc. and once everybody's on the same page when the DVD/blu ray comes out hopefully the ranks of Ape fans will swell and raise all boats (economy willing).
> Personally, I'm very open-minded when it comes to POTA. I can enjoy a POTA story coming at me from any direction as long as it's well told, and I was engrossed by your story. These movies have lived in our minds, especially the first one, and we all have our own "take" on what went on between the lines. We've been asked to swallow a lot of "official" back story lately, especially the blu ray ANSA film. Is it canon? I guess it is since it's an official release. But nobody has to accept anything that diminishes their enjoyment of the movies. Each of us has our own personal canon in that sense.
> I plan on commenting on your book, Rich's books and the new comics soon in more detail. There was some stuff in "Conspiracy" that made my personal POTA alarm go off, but I enjoyed it on it's terms. Do I accept it as canon? I dunno yet. But it's a lot of fun and powerful at times.
>
>
> From: Blam
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:39 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
>
>
>
> Guys-
>
> These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.
>
> Too many of the arguments I see on the message boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.
>
> Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
>
> And the moon is in Betrayal? I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best laid plans and all that.
>
> As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.
>
> I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.
>
> Drew G.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > Of all the continuity errors in the APES film series, whether or not Taylor was an Air Force Colonel has never been of any concern for me. But the dog tags thing in BENEATH is where it really started.
> >
> > Dog tags is what military people wear, and the astronauts in PLANET simply didn't have dog tags.
> >
> > So, along with many other things, such as the year being 3955, Cornelius and Zira not being in jail, the geography being mixed up, the sudden appearence of an Ape Army and General Ursus, etc., etc., BENEATH is really less a seamless continuation of PLANET's story, and more a sequel based on the previous movie.
> >
> > -- Rory
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dario Sciola <darios@>
> > To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 8:55 am
> > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> > time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> > test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> > cancelled when Mercury was formed).
> >
> > But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the moon
> > on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
> >
> > Dario
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@>
> > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> > learning that English
> >
> > >
> > > Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> > > civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> > > walked on the
> > > moon.
> > >
> > > But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> > > written or
> > > protrayed as a military man.
> > >
> > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> > > comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> > > colonel is an
> > > Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> > > profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> > > interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> > > John M.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I looked forward to the TV series when it premiered when I was 14 and was terribly dissapointed. The gladiator episode and one other were OK but in general the series like Burtons film is in its own universe and let them stay their, I say this with no malice. Its the dumbing down I cant stand starting with Battle especially, but with the restored Mutant footage its a much better film and Mendezs speech to Alma at the end is very well done and the origin of their way of thinking is explained with some integrity. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Mego" <drmego@...> wrote:
>
> I always thought the movies were set on the East Coast and
> the TV show was set in California, so the fact that the
> humans couldn't talk in the films, but could on TV, was
> an east coast-west coast thing!
>

Plus, being "900" years earlier may have played a part in that too...
Humans hadn't devolved enough by 3085 to be mute savages but they had by 3978...




In a message dated 11/10/2011 11:50:23 AM Central Standard Time,
drmego@... writes:

> I always thought the movies were set on the East Coast and
> the TV show was set in California, so the fact that the
> humans couldn't talk in the films, but could on TV, was
> an east coast-west coast thing!

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Mego" <drmego@...> wrote:

> the fact that the
> humans couldn't talk in the films, but could on TV, was
> an east coast-west coast thing!

Could well be... although I always thought of it more as a 30th - 40th century thing, with each new generation of humans being born dumber than the one before.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:

>
> I looked forward to the TV series when it premiered when I was 14 and was terribly dissapointed. The gladiator episode and one other were OK...

I remember being thrilled with the pilot episode and underwhelmed by 'The Gladiators'. I think there's good to be found in most episodes and compared to other fantasy shows of the era (Incredible Journey, 6 million $ man etc) APES TV has aged extremely well.

Dave

I was thinking that although the Lab apes might well have an intense dislike for humans the Zoo apes might be more sympathetic. There are always exceptions to the rule but in my experience zoo keepers love their charges and there's often a strong bond between them. Maybe a conflict over what to do about the 'human problem' might be a factor in a sequel. One faction of apes wanting peace, another (led by Koba?) wanting war with Caesar caught somewhere in the middle...

Hang on... sounds like the plot for "Battle'!

Dave

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Hello all -

Thanks to those with the kind words, I appreciate them!

To clarify, not once have i stated that I want my book to be considered canon - only that I have not violated it. - I have worked within the parameters of the canon as established by the films, and done my best to make conflicting canonical statements between the two films make sense by things that happen "off camera".

<SOILER ALERT!
<
<
<EXAMPLE: 3978 vs. 3955.
<
<I am addressing this in DEATH OF THE PLANET OF THE APES - the sequel to <CONSPIRACY.
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<The clock on Brent's ship stops working. When repairing the Liberty 1 for take off,
<Milo salvages parts form Brent's Liberty 2 - including the clock which stopped.
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<Simple answer, and it makes the first three movies all correct in this regard - 3955 <from Liberty-2's clock, is why Cornelius and Zira think that that was the year as well.
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My problem with Patrick's statements is two fold:

1 - that he is shouting from the mountain that I have violated canon when all I have violated is his opinion, and…

2 - that someone might read all this negativity from him and then not pick up (or borrow) Conspiracy - and it is important that the few official releases we get be supported.

I love to talk to the fans and am positive about critiques. Hell, Conspiracy is my first novel - previously I am a comic book writer - so I expected some issues to crop up - not with the story, but with the style. Luckily it has generally been well received by critics and many fans. In the end, I know I have done the right thing with Conspiracy, and I wouldn't change a thing. I am just disappointed in such an opinionated reaction that was aimed at dismissing Conspiracy as anything important to the POTA universe.

I didn't get paid to make this book - In fact, I paid out a pretty penny in licensing and artist fees to bring it to the fan community. I am a fan myself, who happens to be a professional in this industry, and who is trying to bring something special to the classic POTA world - something unlike anything any licensed project in the past. I would like to think that I could at least count on the message boards and fan clubs to support this project.

If we don't rally behind the POTA projects that have integrity and 'creator care' to them, there will be no more - just quick and easy cash ins. In my illustrated novel license's case, if we don't make the numbers we need, book two will be it - the end of the cycle.

Please, help promote Conspiracy to people who don't know about it and get our numbers up before there are no new novels being produced at all.

That's all I have to say about that.

-Drew G.
Author

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Mego" <drmego@...> wrote:
>
> I am reading Conspiracy and enjoying it. It fills in some
> of the details around and between POTA and Beneath.
> It's not "Hamlet" but it's nice to re-visit my favorite
> POTA characters seen from a different angle.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Drew,
> >
> > First of all, it's obvious you're the real deal and not just trying to sell a book. I appreciate all it took to get that book out there and I hope it's selling well (with the new movie and all). I did enjoy being able to immerse myself in a big story based directly on the films. Not to mention all the great art in a nice hardbound book. It's a POTA first, and congrats.
> > This last couple of years have been surreal at the POTA level. Rich's books, your book, the new movie and it's incredible response. Hopefully there will be enough sales so you can continue. I think Fox is currently planning on promoting POTA big time with merch, sequels, etc. and once everybody's on the same page when the DVD/blu ray comes out hopefully the ranks of Ape fans will swell and raise all boats (economy willing).
> > Personally, I'm very open-minded when it comes to POTA. I can enjoy a POTA story coming at me from any direction as long as it's well told, and I was engrossed by your story. These movies have lived in our minds, especially the first one, and we all have our own "take" on what went on between the lines. We've been asked to swallow a lot of "official" back story lately, especially the blu ray ANSA film. Is it canon? I guess it is since it's an official release. But nobody has to accept anything that diminishes their enjoyment of the movies. Each of us has our own personal canon in that sense.
> > I plan on commenting on your book, Rich's books and the new comics soon in more detail. There was some stuff in "Conspiracy" that made my personal POTA alarm go off, but I enjoyed it on it's terms. Do I accept it as canon? I dunno yet. But it's a lot of fun and powerful at times.
> >
> >
> > From: Blam
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:39 PM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys-
> >
> > These types of discussions are what Conspiracy of the Planet of the Apes is all about. I took as many sources as I could and worked them in to make the SAGA as seamless as possible, NOT the original film. So yes, the Mutants are involved in the first film's storyline, as Conspiracy would indicate, because its a way to make everything work together.
> >
> > Too many of the arguments I see on the message boards, and the rare complaint I have received about Conspiracy, deal with people feeling like Conspiracy is connecting things from lesser films (Beneath specifically) to the greatness that is the original. I see Planet of the Apes like this - a GREAT and nearly FLAWLESS film, and an amazing first attempt at a major franchise. The film itself, I wouldn't want to touch. I wouldn't write a novel about what happened to one of the astronauts briefly featured within, but I would want to (and actually , did) write a novel about that astronaut if it expands an already expanded universe, and helps connect the dots along the way while being entertaining.
> >
> > Another issue on these boards that I find confusing is that of opinion. One vocal fan in particular, Patrick Michael Tilton, has made statements to the effect that Conspiracy is wrong, because he has interpreted canon statements from the film in his own manner, while I have interpreted them differently. In both of our cases, the interpretations are sound - but they are just interpretations until published in an official capacity. I simply took it in a different direction than he would have, and that makes him consider Conspiracy non canonical. If something doesn't contradict the actual lines in the film, but interrupts them differently than yours(or my) opinion as a fan, then that doesn't make it non canonical -it just makes it not your 'cup of tea'.
> >
> > And the moon is in Betrayal? I havent gotten a copy yet. Grrrr. I am building a continuity conscious universe here. The best laid plans and all that.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, there is no moon - because that was what was alluded to in the first film - and frankly Taylor would be a moron not to recognize it. I will have to find a way to make a reference to the moon that isn't there work with the Betrayal references in Death of the Planet of the Apes, my sequel to Conspiracy.
> >
> > I am trying to make this all work for all of us. The canon is what is stated on film - for the franchise, it is for all 5 films, the TV and animated series (the animated as an alternate timeline), and yes, even the comics (although I do see those as interpretive. For me, the comics are a retelling of events or legends and myths that have been passed down in an oral tradition, and as so have become skewed from the actual events which took place. I am seeing them this way to make things fit - because otherwise, they would not and have to be thrown out - and that's not what I am in the business of doing here). I am doing what I can to make it as cohesive as possible.
> >
> > Drew G.
> >
> > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Of all the continuity errors in the APES film series, whether or not Taylor was an Air Force Colonel has never been of any concern for me. But the dog tags thing in BENEATH is where it really started.
> > >
> > > Dog tags is what military people wear, and the astronauts in PLANET simply didn't have dog tags.
> > >
> > > So, along with many other things, such as the year being 3955, Cornelius and Zira not being in jail, the geography being mixed up, the sudden appearence of an Ape Army and General Ursus, etc., etc., BENEATH is really less a seamless continuation of PLANET's story, and more a sequel based on the previous movie.
> > >
> > > -- Rory
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dario Sciola <darios@>
> > > To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 7, 2011 8:55 am
> > > Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon learning that English
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Armstrong was not a civilian. He was in the Air Force and then spent
> > > time with NACA (the National Advisory Committee for Aeronautics) as a
> > > test pilot. He was also in the Air Force space program that was
> > > cancelled when Mercury was formed).
> > >
> > > But yes, there have been civilian astronauts. One even went to the moon
> > > on Apollo 17. Quite a feat since only 12 men have made it to the moon.
> > >
> > > Dario
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@>
> > > Date: Monday, November 7, 2011 7:06 am
> > > Subject: [pota] Re: Why didn't Taylor suspect he was on Earth upon
> > > learning that English
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Not all astronauts came from the military. There were several
> > > > civilianssuch as Harrison Schmitt and Neil Armstrong, both of who
> > > > walked on the
> > > > moon.
> > > >
> > > > But more importantly, the character played by Heston was not
> > > > written or
> > > > protrayed as a military man.
> > > >
> > > > --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I find no problem with the Air force Colonel rank. Astronauts did
> > > > comefrom their ranks if I remember as a kid. His insignia as a
> > > > colonel is an
> > > > Eagle which is funny how they always say Heston had the features or
> > > > profile of an eagle. No problem to me , just makes it more
> > > > interesting.They dont make stock brockers Astronauts. Take care,
> > > > John M.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Happy Birthday!

 

~~~~ Frosty The Snowman ~~~~~

 

 

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Is this the band The Who or Whovians?

I like The Mighty Boosh!

 

 

In a message dated 11/10/2011 10:47:22 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

why do you think the Who guys are sad? I'm not really a fan, I was just wondering.

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And let's not forget that The Mighty Boosh features a gorilla character far more convincing than any in Burton's Apes.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Is this the band The Who or Whovians?
> I like The Mighty Boosh!
>
>
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2011 10:47:22 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> why do you think the Who guys are sad? I'm not really a fan, I was just
> wondering.
>

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Beware the beast Clam

For he is the devils prawn

He is a good sport

But he is greedy

And tasty too!

Tastes just like candy!

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2011 4:00:59 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

 

  Just sayin'.

 

  http://apeswillrise.tumblr.com

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I love the way the Zoo Apes AUTOMATICALLY join the revolution, without any hesitation whatsoever.In a different context, if anybody has watched Ken Burn's awesome Civil War series, there's a story about a former slave serving in the Union army who sees his former 'owner',a Confederate, a prisoner behind a fence and says 'Bottom rung on top now Massa !'.I think one of the first lessons you learn from being persecuted is excactly how to persecute.Whether you do or not is an individual choice, so exploring this dilemma would indeed, as Dave says, be fertile ground for a sequel.Like the novelisation of Battle says, Apes had thrown off the yoke, but not thrown it away.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting idea, Dave. Probably a lot of apes wouldn't know what to think. "Huh, what, I'm in charge?"
>
>
> From: dave
> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 1:32 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: What do we want in a sequel?
>
>
>
> I was thinking that although the Lab apes might well have an intense dislike for humans the Zoo apes might be more sympathetic. There are always exceptions to the rule but in my experience zoo keepers love their charges and there's often a strong bond between them. Maybe a conflict over what to do about the 'human problem' might be a factor in a sequel. One faction of apes wanting peace, another (led by Koba?) wanting war with Caesar caught somewhere in the middle...
>
> Hang on... sounds like the plot for "Battle'!
>
> Dave
>

With all of the deserved plaudits BOOM! has been getting, one point seems to have been overlooked.In issue #7 of the regular series, Council Voice Alaya has a quite humungous ass.I'm talking legendary.John, Scrolls.

That's from the official "Rise" website.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 6:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl






Just sayin'.

http://apeswillrise.tumblr.com
Who put that page together? Nice collection of photos.

You look great, Jess. If only you were in CG. : (


From: jessica rotich
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 9:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; POTA
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Information on ordering will be up here soon: Matt Munson on the web! with ordering instructions, and maybe more pictures and some more details of the participants for those that do not have access to the RPF or the junkyard on the RPF.

Now that was amazing! John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Just sayin'.
>
> http://apeswillrise.tumblr.com
>

Of course there's been a big push that Andy Serkis should get a Best Supporting Actor nomination for "Rise of the POTA", making history as the first CG performance nominated. And here's something else that might help out. Steven Spielberg's "Tin Tin" features Serkis as Capt. Haddock (with CG once again by WETA) and he's been getting the best reviews of the film. Might the film serve as back up to the claim that Andy's da man? Oscar seems to love people who have two acclaimed roles in one year. No one's saying Serkis would win an Oscar but a nomination would still make history.
"Tin Tin" is currently in release in some countries but it doesn't hit the U.S. until late December. But it was shown here to close out the AFI Fest and some U.S. reviewers are weighing in (they seem to like it more than Europe, where the original "Tin Tin" carries more weight).

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/motion-captured/posts/review-spielbergs-the-adventures-of-tintin-offers-remarkable-action-and-energy

Did you smoke a cigarette after, John? : )


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl



Now that was amazing! John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Just sayin'.
>
> http://apeswillrise.tumblr.com
>

Gary Cook put that together.

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Did you smoke a cigarette after, John? : )

From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:31 AM

To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl

Now that was amazing! John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Just sayin'.
>
> http://apeswillrise.tumblr.com
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> What species of ape is this Alaya? Apes don't have human buttocks's, and if you've ever seen a female chimpanzee's back side -- YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THERE!
>
> These comics artists need to grow up.

Looking at the images, it looks like those things that some Victorians used to wear (well, the women), which were called bustles. Maybe it's back in fashion amongst female apes in the comic's world. Maybe the writers are way older than you think. ;) Wiki article below about such things.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustle


Graham

I would love to have a book with just pages of random stuff like that. There was a book for Batman like that. Looks like there's enough stuff for a POTA version.


From: jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl



Gary Cook put that together.

I would love a book of just random ape photos as well!

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

I would love to have a book with just pages of random stuff like that. There was a book for Batman like that. Looks like there's enough stuff for a POTA version.


From: jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl

Gary Cook put that together.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
> Looking at the images, it looks like those things that some Victorians used to wear (well, the women), which were called bustles. Maybe it's back in fashion amongst female apes in the comic's world. Maybe the writers are way older than you think. ;) Wiki article below about such things.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustle
>
> Graham
>
>
>
> I wish everyone here had a scanner so I could see what you're talking about.
>

Well, I just did a Google search and found the link below. If you scroll down the page, you'll see a strip of the comic with Alaya. She's the one with the protruding arse... I mean bustle. Hope that enlightens.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/review/140496-thus-to-tyrants-the-struggle-for-power-on-the-planet-of-the-apes


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On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 12:59 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Who's Gary Cook?

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I would love a book of just random ape photos as well!

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:54 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

I would love to have a book with just pages of random stuff like that. There was a book for Batman like that. Looks like there's enough stuff for a POTA version.


From: jessica rotich
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 AM
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Gary Cook put that together.

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I have such a scrapbook. Think of what you posted times 100 and thats what I have, some very rare. Since 1969-76 I amassed about 100 pages filled with articles and photos and collectible papers in that vain. Its an amazing book which I always used to get raves about esp. since I was about 10 when in full swing. This is a book thats about 16 inches tall by 12 inches wide and would be a great thing to show but the logistics would be overwhelming especially since I dont know what im doing on computers . One day when my personnel life is in order again I would love to mail it here and have it scanned or something. Only thing is the pages have a plastic photo album like protector over every page and to unlock the pages and put them back would take an eternity since each page has about 30 looseleaf holes and metal rings that clip like old school books we used to carry. Maybe I could take some pictures when ready and give you an idea what an Ape scrapbook looks like from the time that the Apes were made. It would make an excellent book for sale but now im reaching. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> I would love to have a book with just pages of random stuff like that. There was a book for Batman like that. Looks like there's enough stuff for a POTA version.
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> From: jessica rotich
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:35 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Go for a tumbl
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> Gary Cook put that together.
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Yes!

 

Bollo.

 

In a message dated 11/12/2011 5:57:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, johnroche49@... writes:

And let's not forget that The Mighty Boosh features a gorilla character far more convincing than any in Burton's Apes.John, Scrolls.

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A British comedy troupe, like

Monty Python, that had a show

that was on Cartoon Network.

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2011 9:32:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

What is "The Mighty Boosh"?  I've never heard of it.

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Yes, but wouldn't a watering can have been more...Ape Tech?

 

In a message dated 11/12/2011 10:12:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

You look great, Jess. If only you were in CG. : (

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A lot of it seems to be repeats

 

 

In a message dated 11/12/2011 6:20:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

I have such a scrapbook.

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On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 6:27 PM, <LordTZer0@...> wrote:

Yes, but wouldn't a watering can have been more...Ape Tech?

In a message dated 11/12/2011 10:12:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

You look great, Jess. If only you were in CG. : (

If "Rise of the POTA" is going to pass $ 500 million worldwide it'll have to crawl across the finish line. The party's over in China, it's last stop, and "Rise" added another $ 7 million to it's total this week for $ 476 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=riseoftheapes.htm

The theme this week is punctured classics from the Spielberg/Lucas factory. Let's start off with "Jaws", often considered Ground Zero of the summer blockbusters. It also turned Indiana Jones' "Last Crusade" into a lost crusade. And it even beat a "Star Wars" film, "Return of the Jedi". Upon hearing the news, Darth Vader himself was heard to exclaim, "Noooooo!".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVqgSFg3zSw

And for good measure, "Rise" caused Burton's "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" to melt. Yet more triumphs for the movie people had little faith in. But it's run will soon be over. Too bad, these are fun posts. : (

The box office numbers today were a blow to those of us hoping "Rise" would make it to $ 500 million worldwide. Why is that so important? Think about it. When people asked you how much "Rise of the POTA" took in, you wouldn't have to stumble for numbers. Was it $ 458 million or was it $ 470 million? Instead, you could hold your head high and say, "It took in $ half a billion. Thank you for asking". It simplifies things.
But look at the numbers. "Rise" has taken in $ 476 million with basically China propping it up. The week it opened in China it took in $ 12 million. It's first full week in China the tally was $ 15 million. Yes, "Rise" rose. And all things seemed possible. But this week it came crashing down. $ 7 million! Does that look like it's got another friggin' $ 25 million in it to you?! It's over man, it's over. It's sooo over.
So close and yet so far. I feel like we were the unlikely team that made it into the championships but lost the final game. Good grief, Charlie Brown! Why is the world against me? Why do "Harry Potter" fans have it all while POTA fans have to struggle every day? It's not fair.
But I don't want to be a downer. Another $ 8 million and it will beat "Rio" and become Fox's # 1 movie of the year. Certainly the Chinese can dig a little deeper in their pockets and come up with $ 8 million, right?
And we'll get 'em next time. Yes, we will. We'll even beat "Little Fockers".

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If any of you completist/collectors need a VHS copy of the version of
BENEATH from 'The Planet of the Apes Collection' (1990), please contact
me off list.

Chris L.

Earlier I said "Rise" still had "Little Fockers" to beat. It beat that a long time ago ($ 310 million). I meant the original "Meet the Fockers" ($ 516 million).
That's more like it. I knew we'd beat those little fockers.

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>>Great post Rich! I never got why some got so hung up about Milo and

Taylor's ship. <<

>>It's called suspension of disbelief:

href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief. <<<.html