That sucks! : (


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Blu-ray fever [1 Attachment]



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Yeah, same here. Really haven't had time to watch much of the bluray yet. I had a major car accident monday night before the release of RISE on tuesday.
So for me the release has been bitter sweet. Great that it's out on bluray, Sucks that I'm now dealing with this accident ordeal.
Wasn't my fault, the guy came out of nowhere and slamed me on the side of my car. If the hit was a couple of feet off from where it was I would have ended up in a hospital. So it clearly could have been worst.

Here's a picture of my once 2011 Camaro. Lucky me I guess. :o(

Al

The test audience didn't like the original ending. Or more specifically, they were asked, "Did you like it when Franco died?" and they said "no" (of course). Plus the director felt an uplifting ending was the way to go.
The writers say they like the new ending better (shot 7/4/11 in Griffith Park, CA) because it provides more closure for Caesar and Will, as long as Will said he was sorry.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 9:58 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Koba with Shotgun"


Dammit it all to hell -- they should have kept that ending!

I can't say I'm really all that crazy about Rupert's final edit of RISE. It's the reason I was a little disappointed with the movie when I first saw it. They cut it too much.

Why cant I find a motif to Doyles Ape music. I dont hear a theme or a hook like "Scarecrows...Lets see" bum ba ba ba bum bum.. The music feels mixed deep into the film. It all sounds similiar to me, and not in the best ways.
Guess im used to the originals, lights out some talking from on screen then a great theme song. Making to much out of it ,I know, but the music just feels generic as usual. I coild be wrong...Take Care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Am I the only one who really digs his "Apes" music?
> No, but I'm sure some apes dig it more than others.
>

The ending should of had alittle more of the wrong people getting shot or some betrayel. The begining should of kept the chimp getting shot as the poachers were leaving. Monday morning quarterbacking I know but even more excitment could of been had even in the lame PG-13 world. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The test audience didn't like the original ending. Or more specifically, they were asked, "Did you like it when Franco died?" and they said "no" (of course). Plus the director felt an uplifting ending was the way to go.
> The writers say they like the new ending better (shot 7/4/11 in Griffith Park, CA) because it provides more closure for Caesar and Will, as long as Will said he was sorry.
>
>

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There's a lot more themes in Doyle's music than Goldsmith's. The thing about Goldsmith's is it didn't have themes. I love the '68 music but it's avant-garde. Doyle's is more thematic and, well, typical. Like Elfman said about Goldsmith's POTA music, it's hard to experiment like that today. But Doyle tried, with the African instruments, etc.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:33 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Koba with Shotgun"



Why cant I find a motif to Doyles Ape music. I dont hear a theme or a hook like "Scarecrows...Lets see" bum ba ba ba bum bum.. The music feels mixed deep into the film. It all sounds similiar to me, and not in the best ways.
Guess im used to the originals, lights out some talking from on screen then a great theme song. Making to much out of it ,I know, but the music just feels generic as usual. I coild be wrong...Take Care, John M.

Goldsmiths had motifs that were Bartok like and like Rosenmen were based sometimes on 12 tone phrasing and music writing in its Keys with the selected Sharps and Flats. They made esoteric music writing popular and acsesable. They were like King Crimson of the classically trained field. Nobody can touch Goldsmith. Rosesman repeats his styles and Tom Scott wrote with a Jazz phrasing and Brass instrumentation that was very exciting to me and it still kept with a Goldsmith theme in many cues. Doyle was fine but to me nothing to write home about. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> There's a lot more themes in Doyle's music than Goldsmith's. The thing about Goldsmith's is it didn't have themes. I love the '68 music but it's avant-garde. Doyle's is more thematic and, well, typical. Like Elfman said about Goldsmith's POTA music, it's hard to experiment like that today. But Doyle tried, with the African instruments, etc.
>
>
> From: JohnM conquest-idor
> Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:33 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: "Koba with Shotgun"
>
>
>
> Why cant I find a motif to Doyles Ape music. I dont hear a theme or a hook like "Scarecrows...Lets see" bum ba ba ba bum bum.. The music feels mixed deep into the film. It all sounds similiar to me, and not in the best ways.
> Guess im used to the originals, lights out some talking from on screen then a great theme song. Making to much out of it ,I know, but the music just feels generic as usual. I coild be wrong...Take Care, John M.
>

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It is what it is.

 

None of us have seen the scenes, so it's hard to say.

Maybe they didn't work. Maybe the Nova pregnancy

scene didn't work. But I see his point about jump

starting the new franchise. Fox had to play it safe.

 

 

In a message dated 12/14/2011 12:56:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Dammit it all to hell -- they should have kept that ending!

 

I can't say I'm really all that crazy about Rupert's final edit of RISE.  It's the reason I was a little disappointed with the movie when I first saw it.  They cut it too much.

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Tell it to Stephen Hawking!

 

In a message dated 12/14/2011 10:20:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

This is the thing about fantazing about hyper-intelligence in other animals -- hyper-intelligence is rather frustrating if you haven't got hands!

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sorry to hear about the accident, Al. lucky it wasn't as bad as it could have been!

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:42 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Really haven't had time to watch much of the bluray yet. I had a major car accident monday night before the release of RISE on tuesday.

So for me the release has been bitter sweet. Great that it's out on bluray, Sucks that I'm now dealing with this accident ordeal.

Wasn't my fault, the guy came out of nowhere and slamed me on the side of my car. If the hit was a couple of feet off from where it was I would have ended up in a hospital. So it clearly could have been worst.

Here's a picture of my once 2011 Camaro. Lucky me I guess. :o(

Al

Yes, you are lucky, Al, and remember that a car is just a thing and things can be replaced -- and hopefully you've got good insurance. As someone who used to live in south Florida, I can attest to the horrendous state of driving there. I remember when I moved to Ft. Lauderdale from Long Island in 1985. I thought drivers were bad on the island, then I get to south Florida and I just couldn't believe it. People will pull right out in front of you, and worse stuff.

I'm so glad I don't live there anymore.

-- Rory

Rick Jaffa/ Amanda Silver - writers

This commentary is better because, well, they keep talking and bringing interesting things up. Probably it helps that there are two of them (and husband and wife at that; watch out!). These two are nice, humble folks who went on a long journey bringing "Rise" to the screen and seeing it succeed. Fox had no interest in going back to POTA until they brought in their story idea. If it wasn't for them POTA would still be in Burton purgatory. When Amanda opens the commentary by saying, "We're really happy to be here", it's heartfelt. Here's to them.

What's the deal with Caesar's birthmark. They point out that his father Alpha had the same birthmark and originally died trying to protect his mother (even though that wasn't shown ultimately). It's the birthmark of a warrior. But it still came in handy when Caesar was nekid.

The early concept was a "Pinocchio" story; the ape who longed to be a real (human) boy. All that's really left of that is Caesar and his window.

Originally there were subtitles for Caesar when he uses sign language but it works better without 'em. Even the ones for Maurice the orangutan was the subject of much debate (subtitles in a POTA movie, of all things)

The ape sanctuary was always seen as "the Ranch", a rural setting, and the geography of the script was always confused. When the director came on he wanted the sanctuary in the urban, human world (like a prison) and then the idea of the Golden Gate Bridge with humanity on one side and nature on the other side (the redwoods) clicked

They credit their son Joe with the discovery of the "supplicating gesture" the apes use to establish trust

They liken what Caesar goes through to teenage angst and listened to a lot of the Who and Pink Floyd when writing the script

The basis for the ape sanctuary was the Black Beauty Ranch in Athens, Texas where the famous Nim spent his final years

The theme "Rise" shares with the original: "Man's hubris will be his downfall"

The name "Koba" was Stalin's name in the Communist Party

Caesar was a darker character in earlier scripts, a Michael Corleone type (from "The Godfather"), even going so far as to spread the virus on purpose

Maurice the orangutan signing was debated. There's evidence apes can sign and even teach signing to each other but the studio worried people would have a problem with it

They got the idea of Caesar's first word from Cornelius' history lesson in "Escape" and built the script around that moment

When Caesar visits Will's house to get the ALZ he leaves his pants there as a goodbye to humanity, but it wasn't shown in the movie

Fox exec Tom Rothman wanted an iconic image like the Statue of Liberty, thus the Golden Gate Bridge

They say their writer friend Charlie Fletcher had the idea of Caesar ape-pearing on horseback

Rocket was supposed to be the one who is sacrificed protecting Caesar but everyone felt it should be Buck the gorilla's fate (hey, is it just me or does Buck's face seem to shrink into a POTA gorilla when he dies?)

Richard Ridings, a cult actor from Terry Gilliam movies, played Buck

The director wanted an uplifting ending

I like Dolphins but you're right--it was done. It was also done, although comically, in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which explained that dolphins and mice have always been more intelligent than humans. Perhaps the question should be if another species gains the ability of human speech whose voice should they have--I think it would be quite cool to have two dolphins who sound exactly like John Cleese and Eric Idle.

Here's a hypothetical for you--if dung beetles suddenly became hyper intelligent would they still eat poo?

Cheers
J

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> It's been done.
>
> Day of the Dolphin.
> Mr. Ed.
> Dr. Who.
>
> However, In Gulliver's Travels they always focus on Lilliput & Blefuscu.
> I don't believe they've ever done A Voyage to the Country of the
> Houyhnhnms.
> I did think the cat makeup was very good for a television show on Dr. Who.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 5:12:18 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> smugster2000@... writes:
>
> I was going to suggest Dolphins, Horses or Cats but of course they already
> are hyper-intelligent.
>

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Thanks for doing this Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Rick Jaffa/ Amanda Silver - writers
>
> This commentary is better because, well, they keep talking and bringing interesting things up. Probably it helps that there are two of them (and husband and wife at that; watch out!). These two are nice, humble folks who went on a long journey bringing "Rise" to the screen and seeing it succeed. Fox had no interest in going back to POTA until they brought in their story idea. If it wasn't for them POTA would still be in Burton purgatory. When Amanda opens the commentary by saying, "We're really happy to be here", it's heartfelt. Here's to them.
>
> What's the deal with Caesar's birthmark. They point out that his father Alpha had the same birthmark and originally died trying to protect his mother (even though that wasn't shown ultimately). It's the birthmark of a warrior. But it still came in handy when Caesar was nekid.
>
> The early concept was a "Pinocchio" story; the ape who longed to be a real (human) boy. All that's really left of that is Caesar and his window.
>
> Originally there were subtitles for Caesar when he uses sign language but it works better without 'em. Even the ones for Maurice the orangutan was the subject of much debate (subtitles in a POTA movie, of all things)
>
> The ape sanctuary was always seen as "the Ranch", a rural setting, and the geography of the script was always confused. When the director came on he wanted the sanctuary in the urban, human world (like a prison) and then the idea of the Golden Gate Bridge with humanity on one side and nature on the other side (the redwoods) clicked
>
> They credit their son Joe with the discovery of the "supplicating gesture" the apes use to establish trust
>
> They liken what Caesar goes through to teenage angst and listened to a lot of the Who and Pink Floyd when writing the script
>
> The basis for the ape sanctuary was the Black Beauty Ranch in Athens, Texas where the famous Nim spent his final years
>
> The theme "Rise" shares with the original: "Man's hubris will be his downfall"
>
> The name "Koba" was Stalin's name in the Communist Party
>
> Caesar was a darker character in earlier scripts, a Michael Corleone type (from "The Godfather"), even going so far as to spread the virus on purpose
>
> Maurice the orangutan signing was debated. There's evidence apes can sign and even teach signing to each other but the studio worried people would have a problem with it
>
> They got the idea of Caesar's first word from Cornelius' history lesson in "Escape" and built the script around that moment
>
> When Caesar visits Will's house to get the ALZ he leaves his pants there as a goodbye to humanity, but it wasn't shown in the movie
>
> Fox exec Tom Rothman wanted an iconic image like the Statue of Liberty, thus the Golden Gate Bridge
>
> They say their writer friend Charlie Fletcher had the idea of Caesar ape-pearing on horseback
>
> Rocket was supposed to be the one who is sacrificed protecting Caesar but everyone felt it should be Buck the gorilla's fate (hey, is it just me or does Buck's face seem to shrink into a POTA gorilla when he dies?)
>
> Richard Ridings, a cult actor from Terry Gilliam movies, played Buck
>
> The director wanted an uplifting ending
>

Who was going to direct "Day of the Dolphin"? Franklin Schaffner. But he did "Nicholas and Alexandra" instead (featuring Brian "Rise of the POTA" Cox).


From: JEREMIAH APE
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 2:54 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: What other animal/s would you most like to see get hyper intel...



I like Dolphins but you're right--it was done. It was also done, although comically, in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy which explained that dolphins and mice have always been more intelligent than humans. Perhaps the question should be if another species gains the ability of human speech whose voice should they have--I think it would be quite cool to have two dolphins who sound exactly like John Cleese and Eric Idle.

Here's a hypothetical for you--if dung beetles suddenly became hyper intelligent would they still eat poo?

Cheers
J

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> It's been done.
>
> Day of the Dolphin.
> Mr. Ed.
> Dr. Who.
>
> However, In Gulliver's Travels they always focus on Lilliput & Blefuscu.
> I don't believe they've ever done A Voyage to the Country of the
> Houyhnhnms.
> I did think the cat makeup was very good for a television show on Dr. Who.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/13/2011 5:12:18 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> smugster2000@... writes:
>
> I was going to suggest Dolphins, Horses or Cats but of course they already
> are hyper-intelligent.
>

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http://bid.profilesinhistory.com/John-Chambers-collection-of-photographs-including-behind-the-scenes-photographs-with-numerous-stars_i11537185


Jess.

I went to the "Rise of the POTA" screening and q & a featuring writer/producers Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver. And this is some of what they talked about. To listen to it, go here (it's over 90 minutes):

http://www.theqandapodcast.com/2011/12/rise-of-planet-of-apes-q.html"

They began by talking about their beginnings in the industry. They are a husband and wife screenwriting team. Their first production was the hit "The Hand That Rocks the Cradle" (1992), which began as Amanda's film school thesis. It was a pretty big break but it was downhill from there until "Rise". They did the Sally Field kicking ass movie "An Eye For an Eye"(1996) and then were called in 8 days before filming to save "The Relic" (1997). "The Relic" was directed by Peter Hyams, who would soon be courted by James Cameron to direct his POTA. Isn't it a small world?
"Relic" was Jaffa and Silver's last produced until "Rise" 14 years later. Meanwhile they were writing scripts they were proud of, such as the book adaptations "California Fire and Life" and "Birdsong", but they couldn't catch a break as far as getting something into production. And it looked like that would be the case with their POTA idea which eventually became "Rise". Here's my mini timeline of the script based on what they said and my own recollections:

2006 - Rick Jaffa combines some articles he had in his idea file (chimps raised in human homes, genetics) and decides it might make a great POTA story. They had done some projects for Fox and took the idea to their friend, Fox exec Peter Kang. They gave Fox a brief 10 -15 minute pitch and the basics remained the same in "Rise", though the details changed. The basic idea was a "Pinocchio" story of a genetically enhanced chimp who longed to be human. Amanda remembers the main image was of a child on a swing who swings higher and higher and sees children in another yard playing and wants to join them but can't. Eventually we see that the child is a chimpanzee. The writers had told Fox the plan was to restart on of their franchises and they knew immediately it was POTA. They loved it. The studio had no plans to revisit POTA after the disappointing Tim Burton version and this project wasn't a high priority so the writers were pretty much left alone to research and write it. Rick Jaffa had been a fan of POTA but it had been awhile since he had seen the movies. He remembered the name Caesar, and when they had an "Apes" marathon the history lesson from "Escape" stayed with them (the ape who said "No!") and became the centerpiece of the script. Such elements as Caesar being sent to an ape sanctuary ("the Ranch") where he leads his own kind in rebellion and a neighbor named Hunsiker who winds up spreading a deadly virus were around from the beginning. They also had a theme this movie would share with the original 1968 model: "Man's hubris will be his downfall".

2007 - In early drafts the geneticist had a wife, who would eventually be replaced by a grandfather (the Lithgow character). These early scripts were darker, with Caesar as a Michael Corleone figure (from "The Godfather") who, in some drafts, unleashes the virus himself, even personally contaminating his geneticist "father". At this time they were much more interested in Caesar living with the human family and it was a bigger part of the script. Eventually that aspect would get pushed back as Pinocchio became Moses, Michael Corleone became Che Guevara. Though the story was far afield from what "Ape" fans might expect, they peppered their drafts with references to the original movies. As Rick says, "We took it very seriously, not just to pay homage but to really honor the films. And it was a big concern of ours to have the fans really embrace the movie". After a while the studio even told them to stop with the references so they just used more obscure references that went over the studio's head. Amanda remembers they came up with the idea of including Taylor's ship the Icarus around the 3rd or 4rth draft of the script, about the time of the writer's strike (late 2007). This is also around where they hit on the idea of the Alzheimer's cure (in previous drafts, the geneticist was just working on a "smart drug").

2008 - Somewhere towards the end of this year, writer Scott Frank came aboard as director. He had directed his first film, "The Lookout" (2007) and had producer Scott Rudin in his corner. Jaffa and Silver wrote "a draft and a half" for Scott Frank and then he decided to write his own draft. This was the first time they were pushed aside as writers on the project they created. They were still involved as producers but, according to Amanda, being replaced as writers was "a heartbreaker every time". Also, at the end of '08 word was getting out about the new "Apes". The website Chud sent the first volley on Halloween:
http://www.chud.com/16881/is-planet-of-the-apes-getting-rebooted-again/
The POTA blu-ray set came out for the 40th anniversary and to celebrate the Fox Movie Channel had a Thanksgiving "Apes" marathon, wherein Fox's Tom Rothman announced they were working on an "Apes" prequel. And in December, Chud got the goods from Scott Frank himself:
http://www.chud.com/17231/scott-frank-tells-chud-im-not-remaking-conquest-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/

2009 - Fox and Scott Frank didn't see eye to eye and decided to part company. He took producer Rudin with him and, according to Jaffa & Silver, the project was dead in the water. Another writer was brought in, Jamie Moss ("Street Kings"), to no avail. Then at Christmas, Jaffa and Silver were told Fox wanted a new draft by January 5th, and they don't mean maybe. They put their holiday plans aside and did so.

2010 - They delivered their January draft, which pleased Fox very much and became known as the "Christmas miracle draft". "Caesar" was now on again. What did it? Amanda says the main improvement was the integration of the Charles character (Lithgow), making him more important to the story both as a recipient of Will's Alzheimer's cure and improving his relationship with Caesar, especially the fork scene. They were also able to give the script a geography by making the Golden Gate Bridge the focal point of the ending (though the story was always set in San Francisco). This would be the year the movie would go from zero to production. Former Fox honcho Peter Chernin was brought on as producer and Rupert Wyatt was picked to direct it. Even though they had written a "miracle" draft that saved the movie, apparently another writer was brought on to do the usual tweaking. This writer, Mark Bomback ("Live Free or Die hard") added the touch of Caesar drawing the window in his cage to remind him of home (Jaffa/Silver had the further idea that he erase it when he rejects his human father). The director took it further and used the window as Caesar's "symbol" via graffiti (the q & a interviewer noted Caesar's symbol is similar to the warning in the Forbidden Zone in the originals, whatever that means).

And so, the movie was made. Despite all the ups and downs, Rick and Amanda were able to see the idea they spearheaded become a very successful film. And their two kids, who lived through the ups and downs with them, got to see how perseverance and adversity sometimes work out if you hang in there. They were able to go to the premiere as a family. Says Rick: "One of the greatest gifts Caesar has given us is we'll always have that night as a family".

Here's some of the other things that were discussed in the q & a:

The alternate ending - Caesar tells Will, "Caesar home" and then Brian Cox shows up with a shotgun and Will gets killed taking a bullet to protect Caesar. Cox is killed by the apes. The test audience was shown this ending and they couldn't get past it, it was too much of a bummer, man. So on the July 4rth 2011 weekend in Griffith Park they shot the ending as it is now. Both writers feel it was the right choice (Rick: "It made it better"; Amanda: "It lends the ending closure that it didn't have"). But it also made the Koba coda, where the ape finds Cox's gun (seen in the deleted scenes), unusable. Probably this ending has finished CG, since it was shown to an audience. Maybe the alternate version will be released some day.

The writers give props to Fox for backing the movie and spending big dough without being certain whether the CG apes would work or not. It was back to the age old POTA question: would the audience laugh? Amanda: "Tom Rothman really rolled the dice".

I asked them if the sequel might be ready for the 50th anniversary of Boulle's book in 2013. Rick: "Maybe. I think everyone would be happy if that could work out". There's no title for the sequel yet that they could reveal. Asked about how these films relate to the original's timeline, Rick said they haven't made any decisions about that. He said their two biggest concerns about "Rise" as far as fan expectations was that it didn't have the war scenario portrayed in the Heston film (has a virus instead) and that it didn't deal with time travel.

And that's the way the cookie crumbles after you cookie Rocket.

The second issue of BETRAYAL from BOOM! maintains and even picks up on the pace of #1.It's fabulous stuff---great script, great , 70s reminiscent, art.And a very interesting female chimp scientist.Buy it!! John, Scrolls.

Remember the motion comic thing that was plugged in early adverts for the RISE blu ray? How do we see it? It part of the 'live'extras? John.

I have enjoyed the Jaffa/Silver commentary immensely.Listening to what they and Wyatt say, there seems to be a definite agenda to get us to the point where Taylor arrives---or am I reading too much into it? Another thing that I thought of from the extras regarding the 'look' of the Apes---wouldn't it have been funny/evil if they had leaked the manequin/Guty in gorilla suit pics early on, leaving us to scream 'What the f.......!!!!'?John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for doing this Jeff!
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > Rick Jaffa/ Amanda Silver - writers
> >
> > This commentary is better because, well, they keep talking and
> bringing interesting things up. Probably it helps that there are two of
> them (and husband and wife at that; watch out!). These two are nice,
> humble folks who went on a long journey bringing "Rise" to the screen
> and seeing it succeed. Fox had no interest in going back to POTA until
> they brought in their story idea. If it wasn't for them POTA would still
> be in Burton purgatory. When Amanda opens the commentary by saying,
> "We're really happy to be here", it's heartfelt. Here's to them.
> >
> > What's the deal with Caesar's birthmark. They point out that his
> father Alpha had the same birthmark and originally died trying to
> protect his mother (even though that wasn't shown ultimately). It's the
> birthmark of a warrior. But it still came in handy when Caesar was
> nekid.
> >
> > The early concept was a "Pinocchio" story; the ape who longed to be a
> real (human) boy. All that's really left of that is Caesar and his
> window.
> >
> > Originally there were subtitles for Caesar when he uses sign language
> but it works better without 'em. Even the ones for Maurice the orangutan
> was the subject of much debate (subtitles in a POTA movie, of all
> things)
> >
> > The ape sanctuary was always seen as "the Ranch", a rural setting, and
> the geography of the script was always confused. When the director came
> on he wanted the sanctuary in the urban, human world (like a prison) and
> then the idea of the Golden Gate Bridge with humanity on one side and
> nature on the other side (the redwoods) clicked
> >
> > They credit their son Joe with the discovery of the "supplicating
> gesture" the apes use to establish trust
> >
> > They liken what Caesar goes through to teenage angst and listened to a
> lot of the Who and Pink Floyd when writing the script
> >
> > The basis for the ape sanctuary was the Black Beauty Ranch in Athens,
> Texas where the famous Nim spent his final years
> >
> > The theme "Rise" shares with the original: "Man's hubris will be his
> downfall"
> >
> > The name "Koba" was Stalin's name in the Communist Party
> >
> > Caesar was a darker character in earlier scripts, a Michael Corleone
> type (from "The Godfather"), even going so far as to spread the virus on
> purpose
> >
> > Maurice the orangutan signing was debated. There's evidence apes can
> sign and even teach signing to each other but the studio worried people
> would have a problem with it
> >
> > They got the idea of Caesar's first word from Cornelius' history
> lesson in "Escape" and built the script around that moment
> >
> > When Caesar visits Will's house to get the ALZ he leaves his pants
> there as a goodbye to humanity, but it wasn't shown in the movie
> >
> > Fox exec Tom Rothman wanted an iconic image like the Statue of
> Liberty, thus the Golden Gate Bridge
> >
> > They say their writer friend Charlie Fletcher had the idea of Caesar
> ape-pearing on horseback
> >
> > Rocket was supposed to be the one who is sacrificed protecting Caesar
> but everyone felt it should be Buck the gorilla's fate (hey, is it just
> me or does Buck's face seem to shrink into a POTA gorilla when he dies?)
> >
> > Richard Ridings, a cult actor from Terry Gilliam movies, played Buck
> >
> > The director wanted an uplifting ending
> >
>

TGIF! This week's new issue of THE APE is now online.

To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

A PDF of the RISE Blu-Ray commentary compiled by Jeff (Veetus) has been added to the files section: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Rise%20Blu-Ray%20Commentary.pdf. Thanks Jeff!

And remember the POTA marathon on HBO Family this weekend: Planet, Beneath & Escape tomorrow starting at 12 Noon and Conquest & Battle on Sunday starting at 1:30 PM.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive - Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movie.

Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.

Only UK fans will get this, but the 'dancing in the streets' bit about Humantown in The APE made me think of Bill Mclaren, the late, legendary, rugby commentator! Another great issue guys! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> TGIF! This week's new issue of THE APE is now online.
> To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this
> link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm> .
>
> A PDF of the RISE Blu-Ray commentary compiled by Jeff (Veetus) has been
> added to the files section:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Rise%20Blu-Ray%20Commentary.pdf
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Rise%20Blu-Ray%20Commentary.pd\
> f> . Thanks Jeff!
>
> And remember the POTA marathon on HBO Family this weekend: Planet,
> Beneath & Escape tomorrow starting at 12 Noon and Conquest & Battle on
> Sunday starting at 1:30 PM.
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * Marvel Archive
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm>
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> - Online
> archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movie. * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The
> Illustrated Monkey Planet
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm> - Hungarian
> comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. * The Mendez
> Dynasty <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> -
> Keepers of the Divine Bomb. * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

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What would you seriously or humorously want to do and/or get up to, if the real world really was taken over by apes ?

Steal an Ursus helmet and run for the groves
;-)

On Fri, Dec 16, 2011 at 2:17 PM, transcender8888 <transcender8888@...> wrote:

What would you seriously or humorously want to do and/or get up to, if the real world really was taken over by apes ?

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

I would have Jessica put me in ape makeup pronto.


From: transcender8888
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2011 12:17 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] What would you do and/or get up to,if the world was taken over by apes?



What would you seriously or humorously want to do and/or get up to, if the real world really was taken over by apes ?

Goldsmiths instrumentations were unique but the writing in a diatonic style or a minor key or a 3-5 chord structure was very ordinary in a classical sort of way. That was the neo-classical style of the late 19th to late 20th century and writers like Goldsmith, Schifrin, Herrmann, Bernstein(Both), and so many others incorporated those motifs. Anyway without sounding like a pompous ass take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
>
> Oh yeah. "Gotta cookie for ya.. Gotta cookie for ya" Funny stuff. lol
> Made me forget my troubles. :o)
> Â
> Al
>
>

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From the blu ray extra, it sounds as though Rupert Wyatt had a definite input into the style of the music.This was certainly the case with Schaffner and the original Goldsmith score---I think Goldsmith said in an interview that Schaffner was possibly the director most interested in the music for a film.The more you listen to Doyle's score, the more you hear and the more inpressive it is.I,personally, love it.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Goldsmiths instrumentations were unique but the writing in a diatonic style or a minor key or a 3-5 chord structure was very ordinary in a classical sort of way. That was the neo-classical style of the late 19th to late 20th century and writers like Goldsmith, Schifrin, Herrmann, Bernstein(Both), and so many others incorporated those motifs. Anyway without sounding like a pompous ass take care, John M.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@> wrote:
> >
> > Oh yeah. "Gotta cookie for ya.. Gotta cookie for ya" Funny stuff. lol
> > Made me forget my troubles. :o)
> > Â
> > Al
> >
> >
>

In the movie segment of BBC News yesterday, our main film critic, Mark Kermode, nomninated RISE as his DVD of the week, saying he loved it and that everything he knows about politics he learned from the Apes movies.He praised the 'love' RISE shows to earlier Apes movies, especially Conquest and he fully endorsed the 'Oscar for Andy' campaign.Good to hear.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alex Ruiz <pota1968@...> wrote:
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> For sure.
> Thanks.
> Â
> Al
>
>
>

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If you say its more valid than I say then I will definitly give it a closer listen. I have the soundtrack so Ill start their. Take care my friend, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> From the blu ray extra, it sounds as though Rupert Wyatt had a definite input into the style of the music.This was certainly the case with Schaffner and the original Goldsmith score---I think Goldsmith said in an interview that Schaffner was possibly the director most interested in the music for a film.The more you listen to Doyle's score, the more you hear and the more inpressive it is.I,personally, love it.John, Scrolls.
>

July 18, 2016. That's the beginning of the end of humanity (one...two...three: Awwwww!) and the rise of the POTA. So says the "Lost in space" newspaper in the movie. I was hoping they'd leave dates out of it so it wouldn't become dated. As it stands I guess that will be a good POTA party day.

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If any of you completist/collectors need a VHS copy of the version of
BENEATH from 'The Planet of the Apes Collection' (1990), please contact
me off list. This is the last time I'll be posting about this, and if no
one is interested it's going to get bulk sold (with a bunch of other
videos) to a dealer.


Chris L.

If anyone has an extra copy of the RETURN DVD set that they're looking to
find a good home for, please contact me off list.

Thanks!!

Chris L.

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Awesome pictures of Heston, thanks for sharing!   Zach           -------Original Message-------   From: James Date: 12/18/11 18:01:14 To: Pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] FW: more heston photos [4 Attachments]     From: William Burge Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: more heston photos   dear group,  I found two rare planet photos the last two in the photo group. from william burge

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Rise DVD sales results... any day now :-)

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

We've seen plenty of ads for it on t.v., and that's reassuring regarding both sales AND sequel potential. Any predictions? :-)

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In MY newspaper this Saturday, The Forbidden Zone web site got a name check as part of a brief review of the RISE dvd.Pity they didn't mention Hunter's too.It was a brief para in the 'Weekend' supplement to The Times and it just shows how RISE has helped project the whole Apes world.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> July 18, 2016. That's the beginning of the end of humanity (one...two...three: Awwwww!) and the rise of the POTA. So says the "Lost in space" newspaper in the movie. I was hoping they'd leave dates out of it so it wouldn't become dated. As it stands I guess that will be a good POTA party day.
>

Isn't it a shame that we don't have Kubrick Koba and Rockets, trading cards, baby Caesar plushes,novels, Golden Gate Battle dioramas,roaring sound effect Buck dolls, Caesar bobble heads and the rest to waste our money on this Christmas? It's been the one real downer to RISE, the painful lack of merchandise.I really miss it! John, Scrolls.

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Cool! : o


From: Alex Ruiz
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 7:36 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Rise DVD sales results... any day now :-)




Very cool link. It'll be interesting to know how the sales are going.
Thanks.

Here's anoth very cool link. www.riseoftheplanetoftheapes.com :o)

Al

James Franco's reportedly not welcome by all at the University of Houston, where he's expected to begin studying soon:

http://blog.chron.com/newswatch/2011/12/uh-might-want-to-be-wary-of-james-franco/

I wonder why James Franco wants to keep studying in the rigid classroom setting when the internet makes knowledge so readily available? Might he aspire to become a politician like Ronald Reagan and Arnold Schwarzeneggar eventually did? Shoring up his credentials in Texas suggests he might have >national< aspirations...

Or maybe he just loves learning at the university level? I've read that the guy works constantly when studying and acting too. I don't know that it's even remotely healthy to burn the candle at both ends like he apparently aspires to keep doing, though. Sadly enough, such an unhealthy habit may be why his father reportedly passed away recently at the relatively young age of his early 60's.

What are the chances that James Franco would be around for a Rise sequel, anyway?

Happy Holidays from Houston :-)

Yeah, the half Caesar is the one without the extras. They're starting to release blu-rays both ways, and charge $5 more if you want the extras. Which I guess is fair. That also probably means rentals won't have the extras so if you want them you have to buy them.
I like the full Caesar face best and am digging my signed blu-ray poster. I wish that was the art on the theatrical poster. It might have made more converts who were on the fence about seeing it. The theatrical poster they did (the ape eyes) sucked.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2011 8:27 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Rise DVD sales results... any day now :-)






Rise DVD sales results... any day now :-)

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

We've seen plenty of ads for it on t.v., and that's reassuring regarding both sales AND sequel potential. Any predictions? :-)




I was in a Walmart in another, larger town nearby me here in North Carolina and that store had a large RISE display on the floor in the DVD/Blu-ray section -- and it was pretty much picked clean. I wasn't aware before that there are two covers for the DVD, and I like the one with the half Caesar face and the Golden Gate Bridge next to him best. They should have made that the official 1-sheet.

Indie Wire picked their 25 Best Movie Moments of 2011. Did "Rise" miss out? Noooo!

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/from-bloody-murders-to-bridesmaid-speeches-the-25-best-movie-moments-of-2011

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:

>
>
>
> Isn't it a shame that we don't have Kubrick Koba and Rockets, trading cards, baby Caesar plushes,novels, Golden Gate Battle dioramas,roaring sound effect Buck dolls, Caesar bobble heads and the rest to waste our money on this Christmas? It's been the one real downer to RISE, the painful lack of merchandise.I really miss it! John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> Maybe things like that will come with the sequel. I'm sure Fox is already planning on it.
>

This was the same route Fox took when the first generation POTA was released back in '68. Nothing really kicked in, merchandise wise, till the TV series and the animated series came out. Then, some merchadise was available.

Well, the Phantom Menace still casts a long shadow, with the vast tonnage of unsold Jar Jar crap that was sed for landfill.At minimum, I hoped for a RISE novel, comnic adaptation and trading cards.To get nothing is a kick in the monkey nuts.And does ANYBODY know ANYTHING about the Ape-pocalypse thing that was supposed to be on the blu ray???!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn't it a shame that we don't have Kubrick Koba and Rockets, trading cards, baby Caesar plushes,novels, Golden Gate Battle dioramas,roaring sound effect Buck dolls, Caesar bobble heads and the rest to waste our money on this Christmas? It's been the one real downer to RISE, the painful lack of merchandise.I really miss it! John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe things like that will come with the sequel. I'm sure Fox is already planning on it.
> >
> This was the same route Fox took when the first generation POTA was released back in '68. Nothing really kicked in, merchandise wise, till the TV series and the animated series came out. Then, some merchadise was available.
>

Am I reading the blu ray right on the jig-saw that Caesar has completed in the 'puzzles' extra---it's titled 'Romance of the Beach'? Ahhhhhh.How sweet---Taylor and Nova immortalised in jig-saw! John, Scrolls.

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I didn't notice an increase in available merchandise as a result of the cartoon series, but then again I wasn't even 10 years old yet. Prior to then, the surge seemed to have subsided. Refreshing while it lasted.

Hopefully Rise will be more popular on "home video" than it was in the theaters, like the original Terminator movie, released in 1984.

Happy Holidays from Houston, where James Franco's reportedly still coming to study (even as litigation remains at NYU, sparked by a grade issued to him).

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Pawfan" <teddypawpad@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Isn't it a shame that we don't have Kubrick Koba and Rockets, trading cards, baby Caesar plushes,novels, Golden Gate Battle dioramas,roaring sound effect Buck dolls, Caesar bobble heads and the rest to waste our money on this Christmas? It's been the one real downer to RISE, the painful lack of merchandise.I really miss it! John, Scrolls.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Maybe things like that will come with the sequel. I'm sure Fox is already planning on it.
> >
> This was the same route Fox took when the first generation POTA was released back in '68. Nothing really kicked in, merchandise wise, till the TV series and the animated series came out. Then, some merchadise was available.
>

The top Ape story of the day is the "Rise" writers q & a I reported on over a week ago. I guess I'm just ahead of the curve.

http://collider.com/apes-talk-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-sequel/133408/

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'Multiple sequels'??!! Yowza!!One odd thing I've experienced from the RISE extras is seeing the non-CGI Apes and STILL totally believing the performance.And another thought.Forget Aldo.Forget Caesar.Isn't the first Ape to say no, at least morally, the lovely Lisa? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The top Ape story of the day is the "Rise" writers q & a I reported on over a week ago. I guess I'm just ahead of the curve.
>
> http://collider.com/apes-talk-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-sequel/133408/
>

Check out the cover to BOOM!'s APES #9---awesome!!!! John, Scrolls.

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All I can remember is the Goldsmithe score, note for note, being used in so many lame made for TV and bad tv series in the 70s. It was all over the place. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Woodrow <patrick.woodrow@...> wrote:
>
> Here's a link to the POTA footage in the Bakshi LOTR. The bit to look out for begins at 1:37:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qqgPa33mXU
>
> Although, as most of you probably know, the spaceship was re-used in The Illustrated Man and the Escape spacesuits turned up in the Star Wars cantina, I can't recall any other instance of actual Apes footage being recycled outside the franchise. I do remember a gorilla tunic appearing in the Buck Rogers TV show and Goldsmith's POTA score was rather unsubtly plundered in the same series - it happened in an episode set on a prison planet and starred Jamie Lee Curtis, if I remember correctly. Ape City itself made a guest appearance in the pilot for the Logan's Run TV show; you can see that onYoutube as well, if you can stand to trawl through the rest of the episode.
>
> Has anyone else caught Apes stuff turning up in other films or shows?
>

Not to start all over but Lisa only said "No" to make a cohearent ending to the edited Conquest in 72. I go by the uncut version which is still missing footage. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> 'Multiple sequels'??!! Yowza!!One odd thing I've experienced from the RISE extras is seeing the non-CGI Apes and STILL totally believing the performance.And another thought.Forget Aldo.Forget Caesar.Isn't the first Ape to say no, at least morally, the lovely Lisa? John, Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > The top Ape story of the day is the "Rise" writers q & a I reported on over a week ago. I guess I'm just ahead of the curve.
> >
> > http://collider.com/apes-talk-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-sequel/133408/
> >
>

And of course "Rise" has nothing to do with "Conquest" (or "Escape"). Either it cancels them out or it's in another timeline or it has nothing to do with the originals. Since the director says it's a direct prequel to the original, until further notice I take it as the beginning of the timeline that that leads to POTA68 and "Beneath", which is then altered by Cornelius and Zira going back in time. Can they do that? Exhibit A: the new "Star Trek" movie.


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Will the apes speak in the sequel?



Not to start all over but Lisa only said "No" to make a cohearent ending to the edited Conquest in 72. I go by the uncut version which is still missing footage. Take care, John M.

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The Buck Rogers episode was Season 01 Episode 09 "Unchained Woman".  The leather tunics worn by the gorillas in the movies were worn by the robotic prison guards in this episode.

 

The gorilla facial appliances were painted white and used in Lost in Space, in Season 03 Episode 20 "Fugitives in Space".

 

The gorillas from the original movies also appeared in an episode of "The Sonny & Cher Show", where Cher was dressed as a Nova-like character.  I seem to remember a photo of that appearance being posted in the group before.

 

The gorilla facial appliances also appeared in the soft-core porn parody "Play-Mate of the Apes", a very badly made 2002 parody of the original film.

 

I seem to recall seeing the gorillas' leather tunics in some other features, but I'll have to try to remember what they were.  If I can remember them, I'll post. 

 

Jeff (RedSpy)

 

In a message dated 12/21/2011 17:11:25 Eastern Standard Time, johnmermigas@... writes:

 

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What 'til you read what he said to the "Rise" poster.

http://collider.com/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-blu-ray-review/133507/

Yes remember all of them. Ofcourse their were the "Saturday night" episodes on NBC in the 80s and 90s and many more im sure, Take care. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, RedSpy13@... wrote:
>
> The Buck Rogers episode was Season 01 Episode 09 "Unchained Woman". The
> leather tunics worn by the gorillas in the movies were worn by the robotic
> prison guards in this episode.
>
> The gorilla facial appliances were painted white and used in Lost in
> Space, in Season 03 Episode 20 "Fugitives in Space".
>
> The gorillas from the original movies also appeared in an episode of "The
> Sonny & Cher Show", where Cher was dressed as a Nova-like character. I
> seem to remember a photo of that appearance being posted in the group before.
>
> The gorilla facial appliances also appeared in the soft-core porn parody
> "Play-Mate of the Apes", a very badly made 2002 parody of the original film.
>
> I seem to recall seeing the gorillas' leather tunics in some other
> features, but I'll have to try to remember what they were. If I can remember
> them, I'll post.
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>
>

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On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 10:03 PM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

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From: William Burge
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 10:19 PM
Subject: cher and apes photo

dear group, Here is the photo on the cbs tv 1972 apes with cher. enjoy from william burge

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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On 12/22/2011 12:30 AM, Tim "apefan" wrote:

I sent that episode of the Sonny & Cher Show to Hunter for the next Rarieties disc.....

Hunter! Any chance we will get to see more rarities anytime soon!? Plleeeeezzzzeee?

Hopefully someday before we're all dead.... I'll make an effort to get to it over the next couple of weeks.

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On 12/22/2011 10:45 AM, Haristas@... wrote:

 

I sent that episode of the Sonny & Cher Show  to Hunter for the next Rarieties disc.....

Hunter! Any chance we will get to see more rarities anytime soon!? Plleeeeezzzzeee?

Tim

Yeah, I sent Hunter something too for that.... Hunter... what's the problem?

 

Everything is done except the tedious stuff: the building of titles and menus.  I'll see if I can't find time for that over the holidays....

Hunter

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"Rise of the POTA" was the surprise science fiction flick of the year. You liked it, she liked it, they liked it and your Uncle Charley liked it. Will Fox be able to do it again in 2012? Well, they just released the first trailer for "Prometheus", which began as a prequel to "Alien" but became just "Alien"ish. It's Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi 30 years after "Alien" and "Blade Runner", considered two all-time classics. It used to be, you look up "science fiction" in the dictionary and the definition was "Fox". They were to sci-fi what Universal was to monster movies. Can they be that again?

http://collider.com/prometheus-movie-trailer/123981/

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I probably agree with you there.The Lisa 'No' does have its own special power, however--amidst all of the violence, it's an 'unevolved' Ape who shows humanity, shaming the human-like Caesar into mercy.Apes has so many strands and layers.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Not to start all over but Lisa only said "No" to make a cohearent ending to the edited Conquest in 72. I go by the uncut version which is still missing footage. Take care, John M.
>
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Sci Fi Now mag this month has several pages on Apes, including an article by Ed Gross looking at Conquest with an eye to RISE.RISE is described in another feature in this issue as 'the best thing to come out of Hollywood this year'.No arguments here! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> "Rise of the POTA" was the surprise science fiction flick of the year. You liked it, she liked it, they liked it and your Uncle Charley liked it. Will Fox be able to do it again in 2012? Well, they just released the first trailer for "Prometheus", which began as a prequel to "Alien" but became just "Alien"ish. It's Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi 30 years after "Alien" and "Blade Runner", considered two all-time classics. It used to be, you look up "science fiction" in the dictionary and the definition was "Fox". They were to sci-fi what Universal was to monster movies. Can they be that again?
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> http://collider.com/prometheus-movie-trailer/123981/
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