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Looks kind of like a lens flare.

 

 

In a message dated 1/7/2012 5:21:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

By the way, the first part of VALLEY is on You Tube, and the light effect (what there is of it) comes in at the very end of the main credits, at 3 minutes, 27 seconds.

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If only Feb. 8 was a Tuesday. : (
But "Nim" seems a guaranteed Oscar nominee. Just like "Rise" (at least for FX).


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:30 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] (OT) Project Nim




Hey, check out the cover for the upcoming DVD of PROJECT NIM. Looks like they're paying attention to the success of RISE. The DVD comes out on February 7th. Now, isn't that one day before a certain anniversary?

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Their used to be alot of conjecture that Hestons Taylor dreamed up the whole scenario of what followed after he injected himself with the "medicine" that slowed down his bodily functions while he and his crew spent 18 months in space.
In "Valley" the light show was if memory serves a light show at parties and after taken "Dolls". The effect was used because in reality it was the new technology in the midst of the swinging sixties and reusing special effects was the norm. My film teachers and other written accounts theorized that Taylor took a hit of herion or some kind of physcodelic and proceded to have a "trip" -both meanings apply here. A real space trip and a mental drug infused one.
It was a great time the late 60s and early 70s and being in film school at the ending of these wild times 1976-1980 was a sagacious time, not to far away from it and not to close as to romanticize about it.
The sequels ended the "Trip" or "dream" aspect but it(POTA 68) still can stand on its own as a chemically induced trip by a space traveller who had a disdain for mankind. The zietgist of those times always created debate like this about films because thats what films did, they invited talk, conversation and conjecture. Though I believe that this was just young peoples "acid illiteration" as it pertainded to the arts. In other words everything made in those days was born from an LSD trip or the aid of any mind altering substance, and the "Talking Apes" and "2001" trips and so many other films can give credense to this . Its a common happening that many writers and musicians took this stuff to gain greater creativity and mayby the Apes films was also a part of this trend. Fun talk that is surly lacking today thats for sure. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Woodrow <patrick.woodrow@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting to learn from Rory that the type of near-light effect seen outside Taylor's ship also turns up in Valley Of The Dolls. I've never seen that movie, but I can imagine that, in Dolls' case, the light show represents a trip of a less interstellar nature. I'd always assumed that the effects footage at the beginning of POTA was filmed especially for Apes, and yet I don't recall any of the behind the scenes accounts I've read making any mention of it, and Valley Of The Dolls was released before POTA in 1967. It could have been the case that new FX was shot for POTA using the same technique, but I wonder if what appears through the windows of Heston's ship might have been pre-existing psychedelia filmed for another production. Does anyone have a definitive answer?
>

Their probably rotating key lights with jells over the fronts and later on optically enhanced somewhat. A simple effect. I wish only blue and red were used since these are the colors of near light speed distortions. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> Looks kind of like a lens flare.
>
>
>
> In a message dated 1/7/2012 5:21:46 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> By the way, the first part of VALLEY is on You Tube, and the light effect
> (what there is of it) comes in at the very end of the main credits, at 3
> minutes, 27 seconds.
>

Here's how the "Rise" video sales stacked up:
Week # 1 it was #1 (even though "Kung Fu Panda 2" debuted that week).
Week # 2 it was # 5 (I guess "Rise" wasn't the perfect stocking stuffer).
Week # 3 (post-Christmas) it was back to # 1 (I guess a lot of people got blu-ray players because blu-ray sales were up; blu-ray accounted for 68% of the "Rise" sales in Week 3).
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-colombiana-278109

"Capt. America" came out in Oct. (not that there's anything wrong with that) so it's had a longer time to sell (almost 2 months more).


From: Alan Carter
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 5:24 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] "Rise" as American as ape-le pie




I was looking over this list and it struck me funny - I was in a local Best Buy the day after Christmas and spotted a full display of RISE Blu-rays in the front of the store which looked like none had been sold. Then I walked over to the Blu-ray dept. and saw 3 full shelves of RISE seemingly untouched. ...mean while they were sold out of CAPTAIN AMERICA.

Alan

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Thanks for the info, Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's how the "Rise" video sales stacked up:
> Week # 1 it was #1 (even though "Kung Fu Panda 2" debuted that week).
> Week # 2 it was # 5 (I guess "Rise" wasn't the perfect stocking stuffer).
> Week # 3 (post-Christmas) it was back to # 1 (I guess a lot of people got blu-ray players because blu-ray sales were up; blu-ray accounted for 68% of the "Rise" sales in Week 3).
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-colombiana-278109
>
> "Capt. America" came out in Oct. (not that there's anything wrong with that) so it's had a longer time to sell (almost 2 months more).
>

Reading this I was struck by this thought. The five original films were released on VHS in 1998 for the 30th anniversary. They were released in 2001 on DVD. Planet was released again on DVD in 2004 as a two disc special edition for its 35th anniversary. All five original films were released yet again on DVD in 2006 and then on Blu-Ray in 2008 for the 40th anniversary.

Has any other franchise had so many home video releases in such a short period of time?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's how the "Rise" video sales stacked up:
> Week # 1 it was #1 (even though "Kung Fu Panda 2" debuted that week).
> Week # 2 it was # 5 (I guess "Rise" wasn't the perfect stocking stuffer).
> Week # 3 (post-Christmas) it was back to # 1 (I guess a lot of people got blu-ray players because blu-ray sales were up; blu-ray accounted for 68% of the "Rise" sales in Week 3).
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-colombiana-278109
>
> "Capt. America" came out in Oct. (not that there's anything wrong with that) so it's had a longer time to sell (almost 2 months more).
>
>

Moral of the story: I guess people buy "Rise" for themselves but they don't give it as gifts.
I think soon the POTA stock will go up as the people who didn't see "Rise" in the theater because of Burton burn will rent it on video and drink the Kool Aid. Then they'll want to see the originals, the TV shows, yadda yadda yadda. Fox knows how it works. I'm sure they're planning an onslaught.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 8:50 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Rise" as American as ape-le pie




Thanks for the info, Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's how the "Rise" video sales stacked up:
> Week # 1 it was #1 (even though "Kung Fu Panda 2" debuted that week).
> Week # 2 it was # 5 (I guess "Rise" wasn't the perfect stocking stuffer).
> Week # 3 (post-Christmas) it was back to # 1 (I guess a lot of people got blu-ray players because blu-ray sales were up; blu-ray accounted for 68% of the "Rise" sales in Week 3).
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-colombiana-278109
>
> "Capt. America" came out in Oct. (not that there's anything wrong with that) so it's had a longer time to sell (almost 2 months more).
>

Yeah, they do that all the time: "Star Trek", "Harry Potter", "Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars". If there's a strong fan base they know people will rebuy them. But it does show POTA is one of the biggest franchises Fox has, no matter how they treat it. It's always sold.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:00 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA on Home Video




Reading this I was struck by this thought. The five original films were released on VHS in 1998 for the 30th anniversary. They were released in 2001 on DVD. Planet was released again on DVD in 2004 as a two disc special edition for its 35th anniversary. All five original films were released yet again on DVD in 2006 and then on Blu-Ray in 2008 for the 40th anniversary.

Has any other franchise had so many home video releases in such a short period of time?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Here's how the "Rise" video sales stacked up:
> Week # 1 it was #1 (even though "Kung Fu Panda 2" debuted that week).
> Week # 2 it was # 5 (I guess "Rise" wasn't the perfect stocking stuffer).
> Week # 3 (post-Christmas) it was back to # 1 (I guess a lot of people got blu-ray players because blu-ray sales were up; blu-ray accounted for 68% of the "Rise" sales in Week 3).
> http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-colombiana-278109
>
> "Capt. America" came out in Oct. (not that there's anything wrong with that) so it's had a longer time to sell (almost 2 months more).
>
>

When the ship is crashing and we see the POV from the ship there's a play of light that reminds me of the peace symbol.
Looking at it again, it shows up repeatedly during the POV of the crash. Best seen at around 6:09 on the blu-ray.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 9:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Looks familiar






Their probably rotating key lights with jells over the fronts and later on optically enhanced somewhat. A simple effect. I wish only blue and red were used since these are the colors of near light speed distortions. John M.




I speculated in an article I got published, pre-Eric Green, that the red, white, and blue stars at the beginning of PLANET signal you that this movie is going to be a comment on the USA, though I know that the filmmakers were probably unaware of that aspect.

James Franco has released a lengthy statement in support of Andy Serkis this awards season. The Oscar nomination ballots are currently in the hands of the voters. We'll see.
Franco: "It is easy to praise the technical achievements of this film, but those achievements would be empty without Andy".

http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/oscar-exclusive-james-franco-on-why-andy-serkis-deserves-credit-from-actors/

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It doesn't surprise me. Though I enjoyed RISE, I felt it lacked

something I like to call, watchablility.  Which I define as the

quality in a movie that allows you to watch it over and over

again.  The Big Lebowski has almost infinite watchablilty.

 

 

In a message dated 1/8/2012 9:27:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, alanspace@... writes:

I was looking over this list and it struck me funny - I was in a local Best Buy the day after Christmas and spotted a full display of RISE Blu-rays in the front of the store which looked like none had been sold.  Then I walked over to the Blu-ray dept. and saw 3 full shelves of RISE seemingly untouched.  ...mean while they were sold out of CAPTAIN AMERICA.

 

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Would Andy Serkis have been more, or less, likely to get the Oscar nomination had he given that performance through prosthetics,rather than performance capture? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> James Franco has released a lengthy statement in support of Andy Serkis this awards season. The Oscar nomination ballots are currently in the hands of the voters. We'll see.
> Franco: "It is easy to praise the technical achievements of this film, but those achievements would be empty without Andy".
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/oscar-exclusive-james-franco-on-why-andy-serkis-deserves-credit-from-actors/
>
>
>
>
>
> I doubt it will happen, but I'll bet that if his name is announced when the nominations are made public, there will be a cheer from the media audience.
>

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I used to work in a "video store" where people rented tapes and later DVD's - movies today are like toilet paper, people with simply take what's on the shelf. The worse shit would be the "thing" to get only because it was new. This is how so many films today have sequels. They make their money back on the film from home video sales. There was a place called RentTrack which stores make huge orders for large orders of new release to be carried for rental. The tapes/DVDs were actually rented by the stores for an agreed amount each week. The price would get lower and lower on a weekly basis until the copies were either sent back to RentTrack or purchased by the video store and sold as "previously own". This is were the real numbers which we read about come from. Massive quantities of tapes/DVDs in contracts with franchised chains renting them like BLOCKBUSTER, as well as small chains, and even the mom & pop stores.
The numbers sold to the public, though substantial are much lower than the ones sold to these business'.
Meanwhile, for places like Best Buy floor space, and shelf space are actually arranged and prefigured for various titles - are actually purchased! This includes areas for floor stands and where - such as which section among the shelves and even how high or low on the shelf product is placed - or on an end-cap. Much of what we see in the end is not by chance. The bigger the company/or studio the better location for the product.
Like movies in the theater a film may only do better when up against competition that isn't doing that well. Everything is relative.
Many people simply rent just to rent. Working in these kind of stores in past years I've learned that it's not the amount of tapes/DVDs on the shelf that matters, it's the customer's reaction to the film when they BRING IT BACK. It's amazing to note that a #1 title can be returned with the following: "What a piece of shit this was!"
Charts don't lie, and either does the paying customer.
- Alan

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On 1/9/2012 6:55 AM, Alan Carter wrote:

 

Word of mouth is saying the fim sucks.

I don't think that's the case at all.  It may well be a film that people aren't interested in buying, but virtually every review I've seen for Rise since it came out talks about how surprisingly good it is.

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That was another idea put forth about the lights and Taylors "Lights out" injection. Its no secret that Schaffner and Heston were very patriotic types so "who knows", Take care John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Their probably rotating key lights with jells over the fronts and later on optically enhanced somewhat. A simple effect. I wish only blue and red were used since these are the colors of near light speed distortions. John M.
>
>
>
>
> I speculated in an article I got published, pre-Eric Green, that the red, white, and blue stars at the beginning of PLANET signal you that this movie is going to be a comment on the USA, though I know that the filmmakers were probably unaware of that aspect.
>

Good spoting. The ship goes into spastic mode because it was supposed to land on a flat dirt surface and their was none. It, the ship, went into smart mode and found the safiest area to land and the water surface is smooth so it landed in the water. Landon also confirms later on that the ship wasnt to land in water so this is the beggining of their problems. First the ship then everything that follows. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> When the ship is crashing and we see the POV from the ship there's a play of light that reminds me of the peace symbol.
> Looking at it again, it shows up repeatedly during the POV of the crash. Best seen at around 6:09 on the blu-ray.
>

I dont know were his word of mouth is coming from but ive heard nothing but raves and that comes from people under 30 and us old timers over 40. Its doing great. The only people that dont like Rise are the sour asses that always dislike anything thats popular. The internet , family and friends, and the Film Industry itself all confirm that ROTPOTA is good to great on any thinking persons scale. That That. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> On 1/9/2012 6:55 AM, Alan Carter wrote:
> > Word of mouth is saying the fim sucks.
>
> I don't think that's the case at all. It may well be a film that people
> aren't interested in buying, but virtually every review I've seen for
> /Rise/ since it came out talks about how surprisingly good it is.
>
> Hunter
>

No. People have to reach back 30 years to "The Elephant Man" for a comparison, and John Hurt lost. But mostly, whether prosthetics or CG, the roles aren't that great.
The Oscars are generally pretty narrow. They don't have much consideration for sci-fi, fantasy, comedy, what have you.


From: johnroche49
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Franco sez: consider Andy Serkis



Would Andy Serkis have been more, or less, likely to get the Oscar nomination had he given that performance through prosthetics,rather than performance capture? John, Scrolls.

Whether the Oscars rock or not, they're ...the Oscars. Right or wrong, they'll always be the standard. Fans still dig that John Chambers got one.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 8:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Franco sez: consider Andy Serkis






No. People have to reach back 30 years to "The Elephant Man" for a comparison, and John Hurt lost. But mostly, whether prosthetics or CG, the roles aren't that great.
The Oscars are generally pretty narrow. They don't have much consideration for sci-fi, fantasy, comedy, what have you.




I generally don't think much of the Oscars. Look how many great talents never got Oscars. I even have a hard time remembering Oscar winners (Quick, what was last year's Best Picture?), because once the award show is over.... only people in the business care. Most film buffs couldn't care less what or who won an Oscar.

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Funny....Cant stop laughing. Take care again, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> Well, the Internet is THE place for sour asses to spread their butt cheeks far and wide.
>

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Just saying it's layered. RISE could have been

if they had included more of Cornelia's storyline.

Though it may have slowed the pacing and I felt

with the research it was slow enough as it was.

 

 

In a message dated 1/9/2012 10:01:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

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Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 2:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Rise" as American as ape-le pie





Just saying it's layered. RISE could have been
if they had included more of Cornelia's storyline.
Though it may have slowed the pacing and I felt
with the research it was slow enough as it was.


In a message dated 1/9/2012 10:01:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
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Sounds more like 'word of butt hole' to me.RISE is a total triumph and that is that.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Alan Carter <alanspace@...> wrote:
>
> Word of mouth is saying the fim sucks.
> - Alan
>
>
>

Honestly, I DO think Heloise works in Escape.Personally, I'm so invested in the story by that point that any worries about costumes and make-up just don't arise.The scene with Zira and Heloise is simple and touching in my opinion--there's a look between them that spans the ages of evolution.If the scene affects me, then, for me, Heloise works.I think maybe the future for the acting Oscars might be to lay down some ground rules.We already see some 'non CGI' performances that do, in fact, have CGI 'tricking up', with tears, creases added or removed etc.The rule should be that there is NO acting enhancement at the CGI stage, with the performance certified as having no acting enhancement.A difficult, but not impossible, rule to draft and enforce.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Would Andy Serkis have been more, or less, likely to get the Oscar nomination had he given that performance through prosthetics,rather than performance capture? John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
> No, and I doubt RISE would have made nearly half a billion if it had been done with actors in monkey suits. Do you think Eloise in ESCAPE "works"?
>

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More POTA editions appear to be coming up, on new formats. I've recently heard that Blu-Ray will be around for another half a decade. Meanwhile one article that I've read suggests that General Electric is working on some hologram-related technology that could replace Blu-Ray. I wonder if and when Blu-Ray will become like VHS cassettes...which I'm no longer able to play (and which I don't particularly aspire to be able to play)? The same goes for DVD's which are reportedly losing ground to Blu-Ray. Unfortunately most computers available nowadays have DVD players, not Blu-Ray ones, pre-installed. Are Blu-Ray versions of POTA and all that it spawned that much better than DVD ones?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, they do that all the time: "Star Trek", "Harry Potter", "Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars". If there's a strong fan base they know people will rebuy them. But it does show POTA is one of the biggest franchises Fox has, no matter how they treat it. It's always sold.
>
>

If any group members in the LA area are planning to attend, please tell us about it tomorrow. Thanks!

https://www.editorsguild.com/eventDetails.cfm?EventID=B0F06284-F3CB-898C-35EDDB47BBEBEF14

Ofcourse they are better. On a properly adjusted LCD/Plasma nothing can compare to blu-ray. Remember bluray has about 4-6 times the resolution never mind incredible color rendition and depth, and the audio can be up to 10 times the quality of DVD DTS. Talking about 1.5mb tops on DVD for audio compared to up to 30mp on bluray. Do the math. If your screen is not up to snuff and your audio isnt going through something of a quality audio system you wont be able to tell unless you know what to look for. Theirs no excuse anymore other than these poor economic times to buy a Bluray player and discs. The prices are comparable to basic DVD especially during special sales and times of the year. ROTPOTA was going for 10 dollars a few weeks ago at Amazon. Then slowely get a quality audio system if so inclined. You dont have to go 5.1 audio (5 speakers and a subwoofer) just stereo(2 Speakers atleast). Youll never go back. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
> More POTA editions appear to be coming up, on new formats. I've recently heard that Blu-Ray will be around for another half a decade. Meanwhile one article that I've read suggests that General Electric is working on some hologram-related technology that could replace Blu-Ray. I wonder if and when Blu-Ray will become like VHS cassettes...which I'm no longer able to play (and which I don't particularly aspire to be able to play)? The same goes for DVD's which are reportedly losing ground to Blu-Ray. Unfortunately most computers available nowadays have DVD players, not Blu-Ray ones, pre-installed. Are Blu-Ray versions of POTA and all that it spawned that much better than DVD ones?
>
>

This is for Academy voters. I'd rather voters see it and go Ape.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Special Screening of Rise in LA Tonight






If any group members in the LA area are planning to attend, please tell us about it tomorrow. Thanks!
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If Jeff Krueger doesn't attend this, I'll be very disappointed. This is his chance to make the BIG PITCH for a RISE sequel in 50th Anniversary year of 2013 -- if he gets to ask a question. I hope he does, because I just gotta hear what Rupert Wyatt would have to say about that.

Blu-ray rocks. DVD is the new VHS and VHS is barely watchable now. That said, VHS is still very much alive. Blank VHS tapes and VHS machines can still be bought.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 7:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA on Home Video / DVD / Blu-Ray / ???



More POTA editions appear to be coming up, on new formats. I've recently heard that Blu-Ray will be around for another half a decade. Meanwhile one article that I've read suggests that General Electric is working on some hologram-related technology that could replace Blu-Ray. I wonder if and when Blu-Ray will become like VHS cassettes...which I'm no longer able to play (and which I don't particularly aspire to be able to play)? The same goes for DVD's which are reportedly losing ground to Blu-Ray. Unfortunately most computers available nowadays have DVD players, not Blu-Ray ones, pre-installed. Are Blu-Ray versions of POTA and all that it spawned that much better than DVD ones?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, they do that all the time: "Star Trek", "Harry Potter", "Lord of the Rings", "Star Wars". If there's a strong fan base they know people will rebuy them. But it does show POTA is one of the biggest franchises Fox has, no matter how they treat it. It's always sold.
>
>

Besides, this is at Fox itself. If I ask controversial questions they'll throw a net over me and I'll have to say, "Take your stinking paws off me, you damn studio watchdogs!".


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:07 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Special Screening of Rise in LA Tonight



This is for Academy voters. I'd rather voters see it and go Ape.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Special Screening of Rise in LA Tonight

If any group members in the LA area are planning to attend, please tell us about it tomorrow. Thanks!
https://www.editorsguild.com/eventDetails.cfm?EventID=B0F06284-F3CB-898C-35EDDB47BBEBEF14

If Jeff Krueger doesn't attend this, I'll be very disappointed. This is his chance to make the BIG PITCH for a RISE sequel in 50th Anniversary year of 2013 -- if he gets to ask a question. I hope he does, because I just gotta hear what Rupert Wyatt would have to say about that.

It looks like Fox is angling for a Sound FX editing nomination. Two sound editors are going to be there. That makes sense because of the ape sounds and stuff. After Visual FX, Sound FX editing is probably their best bet.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 9:55 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Special Screening of Rise in LA Tonight






This is for Academy voters. I'd rather voters see it and go Ape.





This is for the editors? How many Academy screenings do they need? Boy, Fox is really pushing this movie.

I don't want to agree with all (so someone says) the DVD renters out there in the great unwashed American public, but RISE was good, however, it wasn't THAT good.

It's like those reviewers that say Wyatt's movie is even better than the Schaffner original..... WHAT HAVE THEY BEEN SMOKING?

-- Rory

Thanks to all for the feedback. :-) What boggles my mind is: why do MOST computers sold nowadays STILL have merely DVD players instead of Blu-Ray ones? Dell, the sales leader, leads the pack in being apparently behind the curve:

http://www.dell.com/us/dfh/p/inspiron-desktops/product-compare

Perhaps they want to keep prices down, while realizing that Blu-Ray fans will likely have a separate player anyway. DVD players would suffice for software uploads to one's computer, while Blu-Ray players would apparently be overkill for the price-conscious. Or maybe there's another "rationale"? (such as lethargy?)

At any rate, I appreciate all the feedback. I'm going to be buying a replacement computer before this one misbehaves too much more. I've held off on buying that many POTA DVD's, too, knowing that Blu-Ray (or its replacement) might be significantly better. I almost regret having purchased the TV series on DVD, after hearing how wonderful Blu-Ray apparently is. I have a standard flat-screen 23 inch visual monitor though, and merely traditional computer speakers. Perhaps Blu-Ray wouldn't be worth the extra cash, since it'll be obsolete before I ever get around to purchasing a plasma television screen or anything comparable.

Every few years George Lucas touches up his Star Wars movies, to give them better technology. I'm spoiled by such movies and I almost cringe at the thought of someday seeing some of the POTA special effects in ultra high definition, especially the landing of the Icarus. Maybe some things ought to be left blurry and muffled to keep us from having to consciously suspend disbelief. :-)

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> Blu-ray rocks. DVD is the new VHS and VHS is barely watchable now. That said, VHS is still very much alive. Blank VHS tapes and VHS machines can still be bought.
>
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According to this, the bulk of Fox's Oscar ad dollars went to promoting Andy Serkis as Best Supporting Actor, and for their cartoon "Rio". I assume that doesn't include Fox Searchlight's "The Descendants", which is considered a Best Picture front runner.
Oscar nomination ballots are due back in 4 days and the noms will be announced Jan. 24.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/hammond-20ths-we-bought-a-zoo-becomes-final-awards-screener-sent-to-oscar-voters/

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I don't know, but I don't really watch DVDs on my

computer.  Maybe that's why. I do plan to get a

Blu-Ray, but probably the PS/3. I like things

built into things. I do believe that eventually

it will all be built into the TV.  Phone, Net, etc...

At least the bigger ones. Why waste a

giant monitor like that? Makes sense.

 

 

In a message dated 1/10/2012 4:49:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

Thanks to all for the feedback. :-) What boggles my mind is: why do MOST computers sold nowadays STILL have merely DVD players instead of Blu-Ray ones?

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Velly intellesting.Fox wouldn't spurge money on a no hoper, so maybe Andy does have a chance.Wouldn't a nomination just be fantastic for Apes? I've got my hairy, performance capture, knuckles crossed.John, Scrolls.

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> According to this, the bulk of Fox's Oscar ad dollars went to promoting Andy Serkis as Best Supporting Actor, and for their cartoon "Rio". I assume that doesn't include Fox Searchlight's "The Descendants", which is considered a Best Picture front runner.
> Oscar nomination ballots are due back in 4 days and the noms will be announced Jan. 24.
>
> http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/hammond-20ths-we-bought-a-zoo-becomes-final-awards-screener-sent-to-oscar-voters/
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So what about this performance capture controversy that "Apes" is involved in. Does it matter?
I say it does and it goes back to the origins of the "Apes" film series. Some fans have complained that POTA=makeup. But one of the hallmarks of the original POTA was innovation. They made the Edward G. Robinson makeup test to see if people would laugh at respected actors playing apes. Over 40 years later they wondered the same thing while they were doing "Rise". They didn't know if it would work until they started getting the CG back.
In that sense it's more in keeping with "Apes" tradition than POTA2001, which had makeup (and I think great makeup) but people hardly took notice. With "Rise", for the first time in POTA history since the original, people are talking about the ape creations. History has been made.
And for me it's a two part process. There's the apes themselves (makeup or CG) and there's the performers. I think the original POTA showed you could put "respected" actors in the makeup and they could do meaty scenes in it and just do their thing. I think actors looked down on wearing FX makeup at the time, it was the stuff of monster movies, but here were respected actors like Maurice Evans and Roddy McDowall acting like it's just another day at the office. Roddy became something of an advocate of the makeup, showing others how to do it. And really, isn't that what Andy Serkis is doing today with performance capture instead of makeup? There had been other "classy" makeup movies before POTA ("Frankenstein", "Wizard of Oz") just as there have been other performance capture movies that advanced things ("Lord of the Rings", "Avatar"). But in both cases POTA is arriving at a watershed moment both in terms of technique and in respect for the performers.
Fox has spent a lot of dough stating the case. If Serkis doesn't get a nomination is it wasted money? I don't think so because it brought the topic to the forefront probably more than it ever has before. An Oscar nomination for Serkis would make history but if it doesn't happen they still made their point. People are at least thinking about it now as acting. One can argue whether what we see on the screen is the performer or not but at least they're more familiar with what's going on than "It's just stuntmen" or "It's just their voices". In the original POTA the actors were on screen but all you saw were their eyes and their movement. How different is that from performance capture?
Fox is definitely putting their money where their mouth is. Besides campaigning for Serkis, they grabbed him first for the sequel and are paying him like a star. They could've said, "Take what we give you or we'll find someone else". But they obviously know the value of what Serkis brings. So in all those ways, Fox and POTA are pushing the boundaries like they did 40 years ago. Just sayin'.

"Rise of the POTA" star James Franco recently made a statement on behalf of Andy Serkis and the performance capture/Oscar controversy. And Serkis is glad he did: "Sometimes for me it's very difficult because it sounds like I'm tub-thumping, like I'm the sort of spokesman for performance capture, and to have another actor lend their voice in such an articulate way means a lot...part of the problem in accepting performance capture as acting is born out of the fear and unknowing of what the process is, and to have that explained by a fellow actor is terrific".
He adds: "It's not just about awards, no, of course not. For myself what's most important is that actors begin to engage with (performance capture), and with the process of using it".

http://www.movieline.com/2012/01/10/andy-serkis-grateful-for-james-francos-bold-oscar-support-for-performance-capture/

Human actors will not be able to continue demanding $20 million paychecks per film as it becomes increasingly easy to create human-like protagonists using performance capture. This innovation is arriving just in time, since movie ticket sales are reportedly down over 2009 and 2010. But some in the Hollywood establishment resent the upcoming displacement. Studios, on the other hand, want to make money. Paying big named actors $20 million per movie isn't the way to do it now that there are so many other sources of entertainment. Time will tell but I'd like to see Serkis win an Oscar for Rise :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So what about this performance capture controversy that "Apes" is involved in. Does it matter?
> I say it does and it goes back to the origins of the "Apes" film series. Some fans have complained that POTA=makeup. But one of the hallmarks of the original POTA was innovation. They made the Edward G. Robinson makeup test to see if people would laugh at respected actors playing apes. Over 40 years later they wondered the same thing while they were doing "Rise". They didn't know if it would work until they started getting the CG back.
> In that sense it's more in keeping with "Apes" tradition than POTA2001, which had makeup (and I think great makeup) but people hardly took notice. With "Rise", for the first time in POTA history since the original, people are talking about the ape creations. History has been made.
> And for me it's a two part process. There's the apes themselves (makeup or CG) and there's the performers. I think the original POTA showed you could put "respected" actors in the makeup and they could do meaty scenes in it and just do their thing. I think actors looked down on wearing FX makeup at the time, it was the stuff of monster movies, but here were respected actors like Maurice Evans and Roddy McDowall acting like it's just another day at the office. Roddy became something of an advocate of the makeup, showing others how to do it. And really, isn't that what Andy Serkis is doing today with performance capture instead of makeup? There had been other "classy" makeup movies before POTA ("Frankenstein", "Wizard of Oz") just as there have been other performance capture movies that advanced things ("Lord of the Rings", "Avatar"). But in both cases POTA is arriving at a watershed moment both in terms of technique and in respect for the performers.
> Fox has spent a lot of dough stating the case. If Serkis doesn't get a nomination is it wasted money? I don't think so because it brought the topic to the forefront probably more than it ever has before. An Oscar nomination for Serkis would make history but if it doesn't happen they still made their point. People are at least thinking about it now as acting. One can argue whether what we see on the screen is the performer or not but at least they're more familiar with what's going on than "It's just stuntmen" or "It's just their voices". In the original POTA the actors were on screen but all you saw were their eyes and their movement. How different is that from performance capture?
> Fox is definitely putting their money where their mouth is. Besides campaigning for Serkis, they grabbed him first for the sequel and are paying him like a star. They could've said, "Take what we give you or we'll find someone else". But they obviously know the value of what Serkis brings. So in all those ways, Fox and POTA are pushing the boundaries like they did 40 years ago. Just sayin'.
>

Well, that's the misperception, that CG will replace human actors. Like WETA's Joe Letteri said, it's too expensive to create digital humans when you've got the real thing. CG is for the things that don't exist or would be too expensive to build. The $20 million paydays will stop when people realize the movie (and the script) are the star. In fact, the franchises are the stars these days. Movie stars are dropping like flies.


From: georgetaylor68
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:50 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: performance capture and Ape history




Human actors will not be able to continue demanding $20 million paychecks per film as it becomes increasingly easy to create human-like protagonists using performance capture. This innovation is arriving just in time, since movie ticket sales are reportedly down over 2009 and 2010. But some in the Hollywood establishment resent the upcoming displacement. Studios, on the other hand, want to make money. Paying big named actors $20 million per movie isn't the way to do it now that there are so many other sources of entertainment. Time will tell but I'd like to see Serkis win an Oscar for Rise :-)

Here's a couple of short pieces on performance capture that are pretty good.

Serkis on "Rise":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TsHcomGhpM

Cameron on "Avatar" ("a human performance with no diminishment")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wK1Ixr-UmM



From: Jeff K.
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:00 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] performance capture and Ape history



So what about this performance capture controversy that "Apes" is involved in. Does it matter?
I say it does and it goes back to the origins of the "Apes" film series. Some fans have complained that POTA=makeup. But one of the hallmarks of the original POTA was innovation. They made the Edward G. Robinson makeup test to see if people would laugh at respected actors playing apes. Over 40 years later they wondered the same thing while they were doing "Rise". They didn't know if it would work until they started getting the CG back.
In that sense it's more in keeping with "Apes" tradition than POTA2001, which had makeup (and I think great makeup) but people hardly took notice. With "Rise", for the first time in POTA history since the original, people are talking about the ape creations. History has been made.
And for me it's a two part process. There's the apes themselves (makeup or CG) and there's the performers. I think the original POTA showed you could put "respected" actors in the makeup and they could do meaty scenes in it and just do their thing. I think actors looked down on wearing FX makeup at the time, it was the stuff of monster movies, but here were respected actors like Maurice Evans and Roddy McDowall acting like it's just another day at the office. Roddy became something of an advocate of the makeup, showing others how to do it. And really, isn't that what Andy Serkis is doing today with performance capture instead of makeup? There had been other "classy" makeup movies before POTA ("Frankenstein", "Wizard of Oz") just as there have been other performance capture movies that advanced things ("Lord of the Rings", "Avatar"). But in both cases POTA is arriving at a watershed moment both in terms of technique and in respect for the performers.
Fox has spent a lot of dough stating the case. If Serkis doesn't get a nomination is it wasted money? I don't think so because it brought the topic to the forefront probably more than it ever has before. An Oscar nomination for Serkis would make history but if it doesn't happen they still made their point. People are at least thinking about it now as acting. One can argue whether what we see on the screen is the performer or not but at least they're more familiar with what's going on than "It's just stuntmen" or "It's just their voices". In the original POTA the actors were on screen but all you saw were their eyes and their movement. How different is that from performance capture?
Fox is definitely putting their money where their mouth is. Besides campaigning for Serkis, they grabbed him first for the sequel and are paying him like a star. They could've said, "Take what we give you or we'll find someone else". But they obviously know the value of what Serkis brings. So in all those ways, Fox and POTA are pushing the boundaries like they did 40 years ago. Just sayin'.

I know there's been a lot of Andy Serkis talk lately, but he's our precioussss. Serkis will do a live internet chat with the L.A. Times on Friday (1 PM Pacific Time). Maybe a sequel update will be in the offing.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/01/11/chat-with-apes-tintin-star-andy-serkis-friday/#/0

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Here's the real question. Andy has signed on to do the

next one.  Will he be playing Caesar? And, if so, will

he be doing the voice.  That's something I've been

wondering for a while. Or will it be another case

of Darth Vader, where two actors split up the

role?  I think it makes a difference. And true,

some of the performances in the original

looped some of their dialog, they didn't

have someone else doing it for them.

 

 

In a message dated 1/11/2012 4:03:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

"It's just stuntmen" or "It's just their voices".

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It can be done.  It's not like they haven't done it.

Usually they start with an actor, but once it's

in the can, or in this case, the computer, it

can be enhanced or manipulated to no end.

The Vocaloid proved that. If the original

singer died, it wouldn't matter. The

show could still go on without her.

 

 

In a message dated 1/11/2012 6:56:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Like WETA's Joe Letteri said, it's too expensive to create digital humans when you've got the real thing.

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Yes, Andy will be playing Caesar (reportedly 8 years later). And Andy did Caesar's voice in "Rise" so probably he will do Caesar's voice in the sequel. The ape actors did their own ape noises which were then modified or sweetened with real ape sounds (Sound Editing Oscar, here we come!).


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:45 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] performance capture and Ape history





Here's the real question. Andy has signed on to do the
next one. Will he be playing Caesar? And, if so, will
he be doing the voice. That's something I've been
wondering for a while. Or will it be another case
of Darth Vader, where two actors split up the
role? I think it makes a difference. And true,
some of the performances in the original
looped some of their dialog, they didn't
have someone else doing it for them.


In a message dated 1/11/2012 4:03:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
"It's just stuntmen" or "It's just their voices".

It can be done, like digital stuntmen have been used. But Joe said they haven't perfected a digital human and he doesn't see any reason why they would have to. He gave the example of creating a digital Marilyn Monroe. Why not just cast someone as Monroe (like they did in that movie, where they also cast someone as Arthur Jacobs)?
Actually, I just came across this quote from Rick McCallum, George Lucas' right hand man ("Star Wars", etc.): "Most people who love movies and kind of understand the process realize that if you do a character like Gollum or Jar Jar or any major digital character, that costs twice as much as having Tom Cruise in a movie. You get 150 people working for 2 years on a 40 minute performance and they make serious money, you just add that up, that's gonna be a serious $20 - 30 million character".
http://collider.com/rick-mccallum-star-wars-tv-series-interview/137225/


From: LordTZer0@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:51 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: performance capture and Ape history





It can be done. It's not like they haven't done it.
Usually they start with an actor, but once it's
in the can, or in this case, the computer, it
can be enhanced or manipulated to no end.
The Vocaloid proved that. If the original
singer died, it wouldn't matter. The
show could still go on without her.


In a message dated 1/11/2012 6:56:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
Like WETA's Joe Letteri said, it's too expensive to create digital humans when you've got the real thing.

Here's a write up of the screening of "Rise" at Fox last Tuesday. Or at least the Andy Serkis stuff. It would seem Fox is pushing for Serkis and Sound Editing nominations (a Visual FX nom is in the bag).
Serkis said: "Acting is acting and performance capture is just another method of recording actors' performance and I think that's a really important thing for everyone to understand".
Asked about the alternative suggestion, a special category for performance capture roles, he felt it would dilute the point: "I firmly believe that it shouldn't be anything but acting categories".

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/awards-campaign/posts/exclusive-andy-serkis-emotional-goodbye-as-ceasar-in-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes

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Yeah, we've been all through that. John told me his work for the U.S. government was what he was most proud of. There's a documentary "Into the Shadows" about the CIA and Hollywood that interviews John.


From: John B Kirtley
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Fox's "Rise" screening




Has anyone heard of the movie due for release this year called "ARGO" ? It seems to be the story of a CIA operation that called on the help of our very own John Chambers!! It seems those rumours of his "lost" years are true and he worked for the CIA. John Goodman is playing him in the movie that also stars Ben Affleck.

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Dave B

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> Yeah, we've been all through that. John told me his work for the U.S. government was what he was most proud of. There's a documentary "Into the Shadows" about the CIA and Hollywood that interviews John.
>
>
> From: John B Kirtley
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:25 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Fox's "Rise" screening
>
>
>
>
> Has anyone heard of the movie due for release this year called “ARGO” ? It seems to be the story of a CIA operation that called on the help of our very own John Chambers!! It seems those rumours of his “lost” years are true and he worked for the CIA. John Goodman is playing him in the movie that also stars Ben Affleck.
>

Good morning everyone! This week's issue of THE APE is now online.

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Lately James Franco has been speaking out on behalf of chimps. He spoke up for his chimp buddy Andy Serkis to get recognition for performance capture, and now he's speaking out to stop chimp testing in laboratories.
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They have amps named things like the Orangutan or the

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The weekend would now be incomplete without my weekly edition of THE APE.It's wonderful.John, Scrolls.

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My apologies for not knowing the launch date's source but...what's the source of this fun trivia? Perhaps the calendar clock at the beginning of POTA (1968)?

Have a great weekend, everyone :-)
(from Houston)

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Rise's DVD sales in the US amount to $30+ million now:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/weekly/thisweek.php

Sales appear to be leveling off during the post-Holiday period. If all the sales had happened in 2011, Rise would appear to have made the Top 20 list:

http://www.the-numbers.com/dvd/charts/annual/2011.php

How is it that fewer than 2 million have purchased the Rise DVD when it was advertised on t.v. so much, AND was such a good movie?

Might Blu-Ray sales have comprised the bulk of sales?

Hopefully Fox made its t.v. advertising money back...