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>>Chris L. is simply anti-New Apes -- period.

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>>No, the "shiny" thing about "Rise" is it's smart script and unique

direction for the series. It has plot holes but so do many good movies. As someone who extols the virtues of "Beneath" I think you should stay away from talking script. <<
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So sad.

I've uploaded an interview we did with Zina way back when.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> We know Zina as Arn from "The Legacy". That was my favorite POTA episode and I've always liked the chemistry between the makeshift family of Virdon, Arn and Kraik. Plus it had great settings (including the "Young Frankenstein" castle) and good interplay between Urko and Zauis. I watched "The Legacy" tonight, as well as "Who's That Knocking On My Door?". Zina was the star of Martin Scorsese's first feature film, opposite Harvey Keitel in his screen debut (Jackie Earle "Kraik" Haley worked with Scorsese 40 years later on "Shutter Island").
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKXZ301PK8
>
> This doesn't have anything to do with the movie but it's got cool apes with weapons:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z5GOgsiV4
>
> Zina's passion was bringing the arts to disabled kids and it's one of those unfair things that her end was so violent. But the life she lived was filled with what she loved doing. Thanks for enriching us, Zina.
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/dancer-zina-bethune-killed.html"
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079203/
>

Cool!!!

2012/2/13, jessica rotich <jessicarotich@...>:

> Ongoing project...
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My gosh.  I'm so sorry to hear it.  My condolences go to her family.  I hope the fool who hit her will be caught.   Zach            -------Original Message-------   From: Jeff K. Date: 02/13/12 20:57:01 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Zina Bethune (Arn)     Zina Bethune, who played Arn in the POTA TV episode "The Legacy", was killed by a hit and run driver today while stopping to help an injured animal. What a world.

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Incredibly sad.She was a true class act when giving us our interview for Scrolls and a genuine, nice, lovely person.I'll watch The Legacy in tribute---a luminous performance that will live forever .God Bless,Zina.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> We know Zina as Arn from "The Legacy". That was my favorite POTA episode and I've always liked the chemistry between the makeshift family of Virdon, Arn and Kraik. Plus it had great settings (including the "Young Frankenstein" castle) and good interplay between Urko and Zauis. I watched "The Legacy" tonight, as well as "Who's That Knocking On My Door?". Zina was the star of Martin Scorsese's first feature film, opposite Harvey Keitel in his screen debut (Jackie Earle "Kraik" Haley worked with Scorsese 40 years later on "Shutter Island").
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOKXZ301PK8
>
> This doesn't have anything to do with the movie but it's got cool apes with weapons:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z5GOgsiV4
>
> Zina's passion was bringing the arts to disabled kids and it's one of those unfair things that her end was so violent. But the life she lived was filled with what she loved doing. Thanks for enriching us, Zina.
>
> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/dancer-zina-bethune-killed.html"
>
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0079203/
>

Beneath is my favourite Apes movie--it's the template for so much that we take for granted in Apedom that actually wasn't in Planet.Brent is possibly my favourite Astronaut and I just love the whole sweep of the movie.And,being Irish, I'll gladly drive my fist into the face of any man who will say me nay.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, lawford42@... wrote:
>
> I "extoll the virtues" of BENEATH because there's quite a lot going on in
> the story. Some things are obvious, some are implied, and some you really
> have to think about before they become apparent. And many people in this
> group have spoken highly of the film and/or cite it as their favorite
> (including people who have said they enjoy Rise). Should they avoid
> "talking scripts" as well simply because they have a different opinion
> than yours?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>
>
> "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> >>No, the "shiny" thing about "Rise" is it's smart script and unique
> direction for the series. It has plot holes but so do many good movies.
> As someone who extols the virtues of "Beneath" I think you should stay
> away from talking script. <<
>

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Thanks so much for sharing this Dave. Today is a very sad day for POTA fans.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/zina.pdf

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> So sad.
>
> I've uploaded an interview we did with Zina way back when.
>
> Dave
>

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I don't like picking plot holes in my fave thing ever, but....as the door is open....are we satisfied that ,at no point during his time on the POTA, before he saw Liberty,did Taylor ever catch sight of a night sky and fail to recognise familiar constellations, something that would be second nature to an astronaut? The thought first took root in my feeble mind a while back, reading The Surgeon, where Burke stares at the night sky with familiar constellations looking back.The 'weird luminosity' in the Forbidden Zone could have masked the sky, but would that have applied in Apes city? John,Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> No, the "shiny" thing about "Rise" is it's smart script and unique direction for the series. It has plot holes but so do many good movies. As someone who extols the virtues of "Beneath" I think you should stay away from talking script.
>
>
> From: lawford42@...
> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:00 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: "Silence is Golden"
>
>
>
>
> "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@...> wrote:
>
> >>Oh, I agree completely that too many films depend way too much on CGI
> these days. And it's used much, much more than most people realize. I
> haven't seen it, but I'd be shocked if the "The Artist" doesn't have a
> number of CGI shots. They use it now to change the sky, add buildings,
> add walls, etc. The best CGI is the kind you never notice. <<
>
> I'd agree with you on that. And while I have no issues with CGI being used as a tool to help accentuate certain elements of a film, I have a big problem when all a film has going for it is CGI and it triggers an "Oooh, shiny!" reaction from the audience and they come walking out (missing the many obvious flaws)
> proclaiming what a "cinematic masterpiece" it was. Which leads me into:
>
> >>But to dismiss the artistry that went into "Rise" is silly.
>
> I'm not one who thinks "Rise" deserves a bunch of Oscars. While I
> thoroughly enjoyed the film, the script has numerous problems, the human
> characters were by-and-large irrelevant, and there are leaps of logic
> that are pretty significant. But the artistry that went into its
> effects are certainly Oscar-worthy, just as is the artistry that went
> into every film nominated for its visual effects. <<
>
> You know what? I'll amend my original statement and say that if you have a story with the multiple issues RISE does (characters, plot, pacing, logic) and you choose to ignore all that because you have the ability to do flashy CGI apes, THAT is lazy- amazing CGI artistry or no. They took a very intelligent film- so much so that it spawned a franchise that people still have a passionate interest in 40+ years later- and dumbed it down to appeal to the least common denominator. What's stranger still though is how some old school fans are- I think "terrified" was the word used- of uttering a negative opinion about RISE because they're afraid the whole franchise will get mothballed again.
>
> [Insert cleverly modified quote from one of the original films here, waiting for tee-hees, giggles, and mindless kudos]
>
>
> Chris L.
>

I think that pales in comparison to the fact that everyone around Taylor is speaking English but hey- it's a movie. If we want facts we'll watch documentaries, if we want to be terrifically entertained then POTA does the job, every time.

I read a Clint Eastwood bio where Sondra Locke was complaining that a certain plot development didn't make sense and Eastwood explained (probably after spitting and squinting into the sun) that the trick was not to give the audience time to start questioning the plot... until they've left the theater.

Dave

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I don't like picking plot holes in my fave thing ever, but....as the door is open....are we satisfied that ,at no point during his time on the POTA, before he saw Liberty,did Taylor ever catch sight of a night sky and fail to recognise familiar constellations, something that would be second nature to an astronaut? The thought first took root in my feeble mind a while back, reading The Surgeon, where Burke stares at the night sky with familiar constellations looking back.The 'weird luminosity' in the Forbidden Zone could have masked the sky, but would that have applied in Apes city? John,Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > No, the "shiny" thing about "Rise" is it's smart script and unique direction for the series. It has plot holes but so do many good movies. As someone who extols the virtues of "Beneath" I think you should stay away from talking script.
> >
> >
> > From: lawford42@
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:00 PM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [pota] Re: "Silence is Golden"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@> wrote:
> >
> > >>Oh, I agree completely that too many films depend way too much on CGI
> > these days. And it's used much, much more than most people realize. I
> > haven't seen it, but I'd be shocked if the "The Artist" doesn't have a
> > number of CGI shots. They use it now to change the sky, add buildings,
> > add walls, etc. The best CGI is the kind you never notice. <<
> >
> > I'd agree with you on that. And while I have no issues with CGI being used as a tool to help accentuate certain elements of a film, I have a big problem when all a film has going for it is CGI and it triggers an "Oooh, shiny!" reaction from the audience and they come walking out (missing the many obvious flaws)
> > proclaiming what a "cinematic masterpiece" it was. Which leads me into:
> >
> > >>But to dismiss the artistry that went into "Rise" is silly.
> >
> > I'm not one who thinks "Rise" deserves a bunch of Oscars. While I
> > thoroughly enjoyed the film, the script has numerous problems, the human
> > characters were by-and-large irrelevant, and there are leaps of logic
> > that are pretty significant. But the artistry that went into its
> > effects are certainly Oscar-worthy, just as is the artistry that went
> > into every film nominated for its visual effects. <<
> >
> > You know what? I'll amend my original statement and say that if you have a story with the multiple issues RISE does (characters, plot, pacing, logic) and you choose to ignore all that because you have the ability to do flashy CGI apes, THAT is lazy- amazing CGI artistry or no. They took a very intelligent film- so much so that it spawned a franchise that people still have a passionate interest in 40+ years later- and dumbed it down to appeal to the least common denominator. What's stranger still though is how some old school fans are- I think "terrified" was the word used- of uttering a negative opinion about RISE because they're afraid the whole franchise will get mothballed again.
> >
> > [Insert cleverly modified quote from one of the original films here, waiting for tee-hees, giggles, and mindless kudos]
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
>

As a kid I thought I was smart enough to have figured it out. I
reasoned that in the more than a thousand years time gap between the
astronauts leaving earth and the date they landed in the future, the
night skies star positions would have changed enough to be
unrecognizable. It was only later that I learned that 1000 years is just
a blink of the eye in relative terms. The night sky would have looked
almost identical. Worse yet, without any electrical light sources, vast
cities, or light pollution of any sort, the skies would have shown much
more to the naked eye than anything they would have been able to see in
contemporary days. So it's a valid point you bring up. The only argument
that could explain Taylor not realizing this was that he never had a
chance to observe the stars. He had no window while caged but once on
the run it's hard to believe that he did not have the opportunity to see
the night sky in detail at least once.

Dario

On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:22:37 +0000, johnroche49 wrote:
> I don't like picking plot holes in my fave thing ever, but....as the
> door is open....are we satisfied that ,at no point during his time on
> the POTA, before he saw Liberty,did Taylor ever catch sight of a
> night
> sky and fail to recognise familiar constellations, something that
> would be second nature to an astronaut? The thought first took root
> in
> my feeble mind a while back, reading The Surgeon, where Burke stares
> at the night sky with familiar constellations looking back.The 'weird
> luminosity' in the Forbidden Zone could have masked the sky, but
> would
> that have applied in Apes city? John,Scrolls.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com [1], "Jeff K." wrote:
> >
> > No, the "shiny" thing about "Rise" is it's smart script and unique
> direction for the series. It has plot holes but so do many good
> movies. As someone who extols the virtues of "Beneath" I think you
> should stay away from talking script.
> >
> >
> > From: lawford42@...
> > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 4:00 PM
> > To: pota@yahoogroups.com [2]
> > Subject: [pota] Re: "Silence is Golden"
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Hunter Goatley" wrote:
> >
> > >>Oh, I agree completely that too many films depend way too much
> on
> CGI
> > these days. And it's used much, much more than most people
> realize.
> I
> > haven't seen it, but I'd be shocked if the "The Artist" doesn't
> have a
> > number of CGI shots. They use it now to change the sky, add
> buildings,
> > add walls, etc. The best CGI is the kind you never notice.
> > I'd agree with you on that. And while I have no issues with CGI
> being used as a tool to help accentuate certain elements of a film, I
> have a big problem when all a film has going for it is CGI and it
> triggers an "Oooh, shiny!" reaction from the audience and they come
> walking out (missing the many obvious flaws)
> > proclaiming what a "cinematic masterpiece" it was. Which leads me
> into:
> >
> > >>But to dismiss the artistry that went into "Rise" is silly.
> >
> > I'm not one who thinks "Rise" deserves a bunch of Oscars. While I
> > thoroughly enjoyed the film, the script has numerous problems, the
> human
> > characters were by-and-large irrelevant, and there are leaps of
> logic
> > that are pretty significant. But the artistry that went into its
> > effects are certainly Oscar-worthy, just as is the artistry that
> went
> > into every film nominated for its visual effects.
> > You know what? I'll amend my original statement and say that if
> you
> have a story with the multiple issues RISE does (characters, plot,
> pacing, logic) and you choose to ignore all that because you have the
> ability to do flashy CGI apes, THAT is lazy- amazing CGI artistry or
> no. They took a very intelligent film- so much so that it spawned a
> franchise that people still have a passionate interest in 40+ years
> later- and dumbed it down to appeal to the least common denominator.
> What's stranger still though is how some old school fans are- I think
> "terrified" was the word used- of uttering a negative opinion about
> RISE because they're afraid the whole franchise will get mothballed
> again.
> >
> > [Insert cleverly modified quote from one of the original films
> here, waiting for tee-hees, giggles, and mindless kudos]
> >
> >
> > Chris L.
> >
>
>
>
> Links:
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Of course, during all the time that Taylor spent in Ape City he in a cage in the animal compound so he may not have had a view of the sky.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
>The 'weird luminosity' in the Forbidden Zone could have masked the sky, but would that have applied in Apes city? John,Scrolls.
>

I remember Heston said in his diaries that they talked about speaking English being a problem but they had to go with it. We just have to assume Taylor was too busy or the thought just never occurred to him he was on Earth until the statue. We often miss something that's right in front of our face.


From: dave
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 3:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Silence is Golden"



I think that pales in comparison to the fact that everyone around Taylor is speaking English but hey- it's a movie. If we want facts we'll watch documentaries, if we want to be terrifically entertained then POTA does the job, every time.

I read a Clint Eastwood bio where Sondra Locke was complaining that a certain plot development didn't make sense and Eastwood explained (probably after spitting and squinting into the sun) that the trick was not to give the audience time to start questioning the plot... until they've left the theater.

Dave

Very true. I watch a movie to be entertained, not to nitpick. Unfortunately there are those who love to do that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> I think that pales in comparison to the fact that everyone around Taylor is speaking English but hey- it's a movie. If we want facts we'll watch documentaries, if we want to be terrifically entertained then POTA does the job, every time.
>

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This article brings up an interesting statistic: Since 1970, the winner of the Best FX Oscar has at least been a Best Picture nominee. If that holds true, that would make "Hugo" the winner, since it's the only Best Picture nominee in the group. Whatever. I saw "Hugo" in 3D and it's a wonderful love letter to the movies with terrific recreations of the silent era. It's a large FX canvas that I could see wowing the voters more than "Rise", but so are "Harry Potter" and "Transformers". No two ways about it, it's very stiff competition.
But I still hope "Rise" wins. : )

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/in-contention/posts/oscar-guide-2011-best-visual-effects

Well, that was a non-starter. The last time was 2007 when "The Golden Compass" won Best FX. So the game is still on!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Visual_Effects


From: Jeff K.


This article brings up an interesting statistic: Since 1970, the winner of the Best FX Oscar has at least been a Best Picture nominee. If that holds true, that would make "Hugo" the winner, since it's the only Best Picture nominee in the group. Whatever. I saw "Hugo" in 3D and it's a wonderful love letter to the movies with terrific recreations of the silent era. It's a large FX canvas that I could see wowing the voters more than "Rise", but so are "Harry Potter" and "Transformers". No two ways about it, it's very stiff competition.
But I still hope "Rise" wins. : )

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/in-contention/posts/oscar-guide-2011-best-visual-effects

True. The Apes films were more of a social comment than Science Fiction. It has more in common with "Animal Farm" than "2001 a space idiocy". John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> There's "strange cloud cover at night".... that's all you need to know, just as there are super-intelligent and physically evolved apes in only two thousand year time...
>
> From the Boulle book to RISE.... POTA simply isn't "hard" Science Fiction. It isn't meant to be any more scientifically plausible than KING KONG. It's true literary nature is allegory.
>
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Joe calls the non-nomination of Andy Serkis "a major disappointment...He carried that film".

http://carpetbagger.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/15/the-human-touch-and-planet-of-the-apes-effects/

OK, so here's the guy's point. Since 1970, whenever a Best Picture nominee has been nominated for Best FX, it's been a Best Picture Nominee that's won. The main idea being that such a movie is more on the voters' minds. So in that sense, "Hugo" would have the best shot of winning. The nominees were voted on by the experts in their fields, but the winners are voted on by everyone (except Best Foreign Film, which has it's own rules). So someone voting on Best FX might say, "I don't know" and grab a name from the Best Picture list.
So I guess if "Rise" wins, it would buck a trend that's been going on over 40 years, almost since John Chambers picked up his own Oscar for POTA.

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Yes, but I was referring to Adjusted Domestic Grosses.

There is no Adjusted Gross for Worldwide.

 

In a message dated 2/12/2012 5:11:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

What are you going on about, my Lord? "Rise" is the number 1 "Apes" movie ever. EVER!

 

Rank	Title (click to view)	Studio	Adjusted Gross	Unadjusted Gross	Release
1	Planet of the Apes (2001)	Fox	$249,014,700	$180,011,740	7/27/01
2	Planet of the Apes	Fox	$194,791,400	$32,589,624	2/8/68
3	Rise of the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$174,311,400	$176,760,185	8/5/11
4	Beneath the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$95,979,200	$18,999,718	5/27/70
5	Escape from the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$58,601,200	$12,348,905	5/21/71
6	Conquest of the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$41,653,200	$9,043,472	6/14/72
7	Battle for the Planet of the Apes	Fox	$39,126,100	$8,844,595	5/23/73
TOTAL:			$853,477,100	$438,598,239	-
AVERAGE:			$121,925,300	$62,656,891

 

 

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True. Makeup isn't the only art being lost

to the computer age. Add matte painting.

 

 

In a message dated 2/12/2012 6:08:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, lawford42@... writes:

I'd be shocked if the "The Artist" doesn't have a
number of CGI shots. They use it now to change the sky, add buildings,
add walls, etc. The best CGI is the kind you never notice.

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The concept of the Marvel Comics 'No Prize' is to spot an imagined mistake and then offer a good explanation as to why it's not, in fact, a mistake.I think Taylor just didn't see the night sky, full stop,because he was either caged or in the Forbidden Zone at night.So,problem solved.So long as nobody mentions that when Brent is outside in his cage at night, it must have been a very cloudy night. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Very true. I watch a movie to be entertained, not to nitpick.
> Unfortunately there are those who love to do that.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@> wrote:
> >
> > I think that pales in comparison to the fact that everyone around
> Taylor is speaking English but hey- it's a movie. If we want facts we'll
> watch documentaries, if we want to be terrifically entertained then POTA
> does the job, every time.
> >
>

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No data available for world-wide gross on POTA' 68.

There may be some out there.  But it's not compiled

for the box office websites.   There definitely was 

distribution overseas, but I dare you to find the numbers

of say, Belgium. It did play there, there's a poster,

but no number's are available. If you find them,

let me know.  Might be tough though even for Fox.

Easier than digging through salt mines for prints, but...

 

 

 

In a message dated 2/16/2012 9:09:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

What's the total world-wide gross for the original PLANET OF THE APES, adjusted for inflation?  Anybody know?  I'll bet it's a number that dwarfs all else.

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>>>> What's the total world-wide gross for the original PLANET OF THE APES, adjusted for inflation? Anybody know? I'll bet it's a number that dwarfs all else.<<<

I doubt that. Intellectual property protection worldwide for U.S. products was about as weak as it was when Hollywood first set up way out in the desert state of California to better escape patent enforcement efforts prodded by patent-owner Thomas Edison. Regional and world trade agreements have since fortified i.p. protection but I'm willing to wager that in 1968, it was a joke, comparatively speaking.

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Liked the music though even though its no Goldsmith or etc...John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> What's the total world-wide gross for the original PLANET OF THE APES, adjusted for inflation? Anybody know? I'll bet it's a number that dwarfs all else.
>
> In any event, do you think Fox cares which film made the most? Why should they? It's all good.
>
> And why in the name of the Lawgiver is anyone trying to cheerlead POTA2001 being #1 in anything. Everyone knows that movie is #2 in almost every respect, now can't we all just forget about it?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wed, Feb 15, 2012 11:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Fox rakes in $ for POTA
>
>
>
>
>
> OK, you can have POTA2001 and be # 1 in America. I'll keep "Rise" and the extra $ 100 million worldwide.
>

Jerry Andersom, the head of Fox NY publicity in the late 60s early 70s and who sent me my first set of Black and white glossys of Conquest, said to my father in 73 when Battle was out for about six weeks that the Apes pictures were the first franhise other than Bond to break 100 million in revenue(dollars) other than the US and this is before the huge push-GO Ape- the following year. My conclusion is that the original 5 Apes films made about 150 million unadjusted for inflation in 1974 dollars. Mind you they keep these things close to the vest but this man was so nice and understood younger fans. He was fired the next couple of months later when my father tried to contact him again. I sometimes feal like maybe my father and I were responsible because he didnt mind telling us so much info that might of got him in trouble. Anyway its a no brainer that Apes alltogether are a billion dollar business. I personally dont care because when anything gets to popular they end up getting co-opted and emasculated but their is my input. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
>
> No data available for world-wide gross on POTA' 68.
> There may be some out there. But it's not compiled
> for the box office websites. There definitely was
> distribution overseas, but I dare you to find the numbers
> of say, Belgium. It did play there, there's a poster,
> but no number's are available. If you find them,
> let me know. Might be tough though even for Fox.
> Easier than digging through salt mines for prints, but...
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/16/2012 9:09:28 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> What's the total world-wide gross for the original PLANET OF THE APES,
> adjusted for inflation? Anybody know? I'll bet it's a number that dwarfs all
> else.
>

TGIF! This week's issue of THE APE is now online.

To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

Two new videos have been added to the group website. The first is the 'Zaius as Mark Twain' video. The second is the Lawgiver statue segment of the Syfy series Hollywood Treasure.

To view them got to the Videos page of the group website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Videos.htm or the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Videos.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive
- Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

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On 2/17/2012 8:29 AM, James wrote:

 

Attached is an ad for a makeup book from 1980 featuring Apes makeup.  I have also included a full-color scan of the book's cover.  I have ordered a used copy of the book, and will forward Apes excerpts for the group when I get it.  In the meantime, enjoy!

It's a great book!  There are several pages in a couple of chapters devoted to Apes.

Hunter

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THIS is a GOOD SIMIAN DAY!
Always love a new APE!
Keep up the groovy WORK!

On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 6:26 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

TGIF! This week's issue of THE APE is now online.

To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

Two new videos have been added to the group website. The first is the 'Zaius as Mark Twain' video. The second is the Lawgiver statue segment of the Syfy series Hollywood Treasure.

To view them got to the Videos page of the group website: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Videos.htm or the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Videos.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive
- Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Tomorrow I will see my first ever POTA marathon. I've never seen more than 2 Apes back to back (which isn't a marathon, it's a double feature). Is there such a thing as too much Apes? I'm afraid.
Let's hear them. The POTA marathon stories.

Some of you might be losing faith that "Rise" will win the Oscar next week. Some of you might be saying that "Harry Potter" won the BAFTA and history is leaning toward "Hugo", since it's also a Best Picture nominee. Well, some of you would be WRONG! MTV sez "Rise" is going to win. Have they ever been wrong? Noooo! What MTV sez, goes!
Full disclosure: MTV ain't owned by Fox.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1679420/oscar-predictions-visual-effects-rise-planet-apes..html"

I bought that book in California when visiting relatives after getting married. I got it at that bookstore in Hollywood on Hollywood Blvd. Something something Bookshop. It was a guys name , the somethings...Gary Evans, Martin Owens, whatever I forgot. When I saw that Dr. Zaius face I thought "A book about the Apes, alright", but it was about the history of makeup in films and is a very good read. Nice Hardcovered book which is still in my closet gathering dust with all my other Apes collectables. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> From: RedSpy13@...
> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:54 PM
> Subject: Emailing: Making a Monster, Ad
>
>
>
> Greetings, my friend.
>
>
>
> Attached is an ad for a makeup book from 1980 featuring Apes makeup. I have
> also included a full-color scan of the book's cover. I have ordered a used
> copy of the book, and will forward Apes excerpts for the group when I get
> it. In the meantime, enjoy!
>
>
>
> Jeff (RedSpy)
>

The last time POTA was screened at the Egyptian it sold out. Rise has nothing to do with my attending, in fact it was a deterrent. It has tainted my appreciation for the films, only at the last minute did I decide to participate. I wonder how many will make it to the the finish line, most don't stay for the second feature, when a double bill is shown. I don't see it finishing before 2 a.m. I also wonder which version of Conquest & Battle will be screened.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Was just informed that more tickets opened up. Relief!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Could this event actually be very well attended? Will the success and popularity of RISE be confirmed by actual evidence of a reawaking of POTA fanatics with a sold-out house?
>
> The planet waits with baited breath.
>

While it really wasn't blood-filled or violent, do you think any follow ups
to RISE will suffer the same fate as the originals (co-opted and
emasculated)?



In a message dated 2/17/2012 6:16:20 AM Central Standard Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> Anyway its a no brainer that Apes alltogether are a billion dollar
> business. I personally dont care because when anything gets to popular they end
> up getting
> co-opted and emasculated but their is my input.

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> Is there such a thing as too much Apes?

There's no such thing as 'too much apes' but 'Jeez, my butt has gone numb' is a very real threat. Take a comfortable cushion! I did an all night Horror-thon once and my ass has never forgiven me.

Dave

You mean like "Rise" was (ending changed, etc.)? The greatest danger of all is the danger never ends. And so we must be patient. And wait.

We still wait, my children. But as I look at Ape fans and studio executives living in friendship, harmony and at peace, now some 6 months after Rise's release, at least we wait with hope for the future.


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox rakes in $ for POTA



While it really wasn't blood-filled or violent, do you think any follow ups
to RISE will suffer the same fate as the originals (co-opted and
emasculated)?

In a message dated 2/17/2012 6:16:20 AM Central Standard Time,
johnmermigas@... writes:

> Anyway its a no brainer that Apes alltogether are a billion dollar
> business. I personally dont care because when anything gets to popular they end
> up getting
> co-opted and emasculated but their is my input.

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"Rise" must never be exploded! It must be respected, even venerated. For one of it's ancestors made us what we are. And what we are shall, from this day forward, be called "beautiful".


From: drhasslein
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:42 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: POTA marathon at The Egyptian



The last time POTA was screened at the Egyptian it sold out. Rise has nothing to do with my attending, in fact it was a deterrent. It has tainted my appreciation for the films, only at the last minute did I decide to participate. I wonder how many will make it to the the finish line, most don't stay for the second feature, when a double bill is shown. I don't see it finishing before 2 a.m. I also wonder which version of Conquest & Battle will be screened.

Power to the Mutos!!! Power to the Workers!!! Power Records!!! THE APE rocks!!! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> TGIF! This week's issue of THE APE is now online.
> To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this
> link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm> .
>
> Two new videos have been added to the group website. The first is the
> 'Zaius as Mark Twain' video. The second is the Lawgiver statue segment
> of the Syfy series Hollywood Treasure.
>
> To view them got to the Videos page of the group website:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Videos.htm
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./Stuff/Videos.htm> or
> the mirror site: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Videos.htm
> <http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Videos.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * <http://tinyurl.com/2uy7v7c> Marvel Archive
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm>
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> - Online
> archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies. *
> Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
> The Mendez Dynasty
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> - Keepers of
> the Divine Bomb. * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

How were Beneath, Conquest and Battle 'emasculated'? Atomic bombs, machine guns, knives, flamethrowers, electrocution,torture---I'd hate to see what they were like 'manned up'!If RISE 2 advances the story and mythology as well as Beneath did, I'll be delighted. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> While it really wasn't blood-filled or violent, do you think any follow ups
> to RISE will suffer the same fate as the originals (co-opted and
> emasculated)?
>
>
>
> In a message dated 2/17/2012 6:16:20 AM Central Standard Time,
> johnmermigas@... writes:
>
>
> > Anyway its a no brainer that Apes alltogether are a billion dollar
> > business. I personally dont care because when anything gets to popular they end
> > up getting
> > co-opted and emasculated but their is my input.
>
> </HTML>
>

I INSIST Rise wins the Oscar.No arguments.I want a full thought projection from all Group Members at maximum power into the heads of the slobbering savages who fill the ranks of the Academy--'You WILL vote for ROTPOTA.You WILL vote for ROTPOTA'.That should do it.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Some of you might be losing faith that "Rise" will win the Oscar next week. Some of you might be saying that "Harry Potter" won the BAFTA and history is leaning toward "Hugo", since it's also a Best Picture nominee. Well, some of you would be WRONG! MTV sez "Rise" is going to win. Have they ever been wrong? Noooo! What MTV sez, goes!
> Full disclosure: MTV ain't owned by Fox.
>
> http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1679420/oscar-predictions-visual-effects-rise-planet-apes..html"
>

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The first POTA marathon I went to was in 1973. The one problem was that my local theater, the Walker in Brooklyn, showed the films completely out of order. Since this was during Battle's release, they had been showing Battle with Planet as a second feature that week. So they started with Battle, then Planet, then the rest of the sequels in reverse order: Conquest, Escape and Beneath.

The most vivid memory I have of this is my friends asking me during Beneath who wins the war since I was the only one who had seen the film before.

The next time was the following year when all the films were re-released under as "Go Ape!". Back in those days films opened on Wednesday, not Fridays, and the Walker run started the last Wednesday in June. Unfortunately, the last day of school wasn't until Friday and there was a big graduation party for my older cousin on Saturday; so I couldn't go until Sunday. Those were the longest four days of my life.

The outer lobby of the Walker displayed posters for all the films during "Go Ape!". That week I would stop by the theater everyday after school to stare at them. A year earlier, during their run of The Posiden Adventure, they had the one sheet for Battle in the outer lobby under 'coming soon'. I went to stare at that too so the staff was use to me.

When I finally got to go on Sunday they ran still ran the films out of order starting with Conquest, then Battle, Planet, Beneath and Escape. However, they repeated Conquest and Battle after that. I later realized that they scheduled the films for adults coming in the late afternoon through the evening.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Tomorrow I will see my first ever POTA marathon. I've never seen more than 2 Apes back to back (which isn't a marathon, it's a double feature). Is there such a thing as too much Apes? I'm afraid.
> Let's hear them. The POTA marathon stories.
>

Jeff, my friend, please put down the mushroom and get some sleep;-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> "Rise" must never be exploded! It must be respected, even venerated. For one of it's ancestors made us what we are. And what we are shall, from this day forward, be called "beautiful".
>
>

Today's the day of the Los Angeles Marathon (er, the POTA marathon; I'm don't feel like running). But also there's news that the Alamo Drafthouse (that's in Texas, history majors) will be doing another "Ape" marathon on May 29. They did one last year that resulted in these swell posters:

http://www.slashfilm.com/cool-stuff-mondos-planet-apes-poster-series-gallery/

Maybe this will become an annual thing there. But they probably won't have Hasslein and Breck doing Q & A. ; )

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-features/61546-get-ready-to-go-ape

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When anything gets to popular the corporate world gets on the bandwagon and after a while the franchise of Apes, music, books, whatever gets cheapened and then the word which I hate "Kitsch" (sp) is used and in the case of the Apes they are seen as characatures of themselves and only the silly "See no evil etc." are remembered and its taken lightly by the public after a while and becomes a bad joke. I like when anything is not "too" popular things tend to have an edge and not to many money people get their paws into the pot. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> How were Beneath, Conquest and Battle 'emasculated'? Atomic bombs, machine guns, knives, flamethrowers, electrocution,torture---I'd hate to see what they were like 'manned up'!If RISE 2 advances the story and mythology as well as Beneath did, I'll be delighted. John, Scrolls.
>

You mean like "Rise" was (ending changed, etc.)? The greatest danger of all is the danger never ends. And so we must be patient. And wait.

We still wait, my children. But as I look at Ape fans and studio executives living in friendship, harmony and at peace, now some 6 months after Rise's release, at least we wait with hope for the future.


From: mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox rakes in $ for POTA



While it really wasn't blood-filled or violent, do you think any follow ups
to RISE will suffer the same fate as the originals (co-opted and
emasculated)?

Its true and I agree 1000 percent. Ever since the dumbing down of America has taken its grip on society the Apes sequels have taken on a kind of intellectual and scholarly life. Some of it is deserved but you are correct in your assesment IMHO. I happen to love some of the sequels but sometimes its because of where I was and when I was, but the original POTA is classic. I do enjoy the sequels though, even Battle with the extra mutant parts is palitable. As you know I love Conquest and getting back about 3/4 of what was missing made it a real document of the times and a grindhouse(hate that theater expression)vibe. My favorite years for the Apes was 1972-74. I always repeat myself but seeing Conquest at the Embassy 46th st. NYNY on that huge screen and the volume blaring was great. A wonderfull memory with my father and trying to steel a cardboard backed lobby card(a person before me already peeled one off so why not) which I never saw again(their must be so much material that was destroyed or sent back to Fox that we will never see again or at all).
One thing is for sure , if not for the sequels we would not be here now. They created the phenomenom. Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> When anything gets to popular the corporate world gets on the bandwagon and after a while the franchise of Apes, music, books, whatever gets cheapened and then the word which I hate "Kitsch" (sp) is used and in the case of the Apes they are seen as characatures of themselves and only the silly "See no evil etc." are remembered and its taken lightly by the public after a while and becomes a bad joke. I like when anything is not "too" popular things tend to have an edge and not to many money people get their paws into the pot. John M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is exactly how I feel about the era of Apedom when there was only PLANET. It was a short period -- Feb. 1968 to May 1970 -- but it was a time that is the core of POTA nostalgia for me, before General Ursus, human telepathic mutants, time warps, Baby Milo, Virgil, Burke, Virdon, Galen and a cartoon series and all that stuff that came later and you either liked it or you didn't, but it never matched that which was PLANET.
>
> PLANET OF THE APES was an "A" picture that starred Charlton Heston with a cool shock ending and the movie was already being called a classic. It was sunny skies and hot weather, deserts and green cornfields and a awesome beach with cliffs and the sounds of the surf, and the talking apes, of course, and the gorillas on horseback, and neighborhood movie houses, popcorn smell in the lobby and the posters on display -- and it was the greatest thing since I don't know what. I miss those days and that's why APES still has a hold on me.
>
> -- Rory
>

That is an absolutely perfect summation, Rory. My thoughts exactly!

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> When anything gets to popular the corporate world gets on the bandwagon and after a while the franchise of Apes, music, books, whatever gets cheapened and then the word which I hate "Kitsch" (sp) is used and in the case of the Apes they are seen as characatures of themselves and only the silly "See no evil etc." are remembered and its taken lightly by the public after a while and becomes a bad joke. I like when anything is not "too" popular things tend to have an edge and not to many money people get their paws into the pot. John M.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> This is exactly how I feel about the era of Apedom when there was only PLANET. It was a short period -- Feb. 1968 to May 1970 -- but it was a time that is the core of POTA nostalgia for me, before General Ursus, human telepathic mutants, time warps, Baby Milo, Virgil, Burke, Virdon, Galen and a cartoon series and all that stuff that came later and you either liked it or you didn't, but it never matched that which was PLANET.
>
> PLANET OF THE APES was an "A" picture that starred Charlton Heston with a cool shock ending and the movie was already being called a classic. It was sunny skies and hot weather, deserts and green cornfields and a awesome beach with cliffs and the sounds of the surf, and the talking apes, of course, and the gorillas on horseback, and neighborhood movie houses, popcorn smell in the lobby and the posters on display -- and it was the greatest thing since I don't know what. I miss those days and that's why APES still has a hold on me.
>
> -- Rory
>

I received my copy and Nick Redman and co. did a wonderfull job packaging wise and especially soundwise. The Bass at times is alittle boomy but thats what Elfman wanted no dought. Its a very good sounding and quality endevour. For 30 bucks total, for the 3 CD set and new booklet, it is worth it and to be complete, why not? I highly recomend it, its that good, never mind the film. Take care, John M.

*** Not just an altered ending but other things as well... I'm asking if
people think that any RISE sequels will suffer the same fate as the original
films: Starting off with a great film and then slipping a notch with each
release thereafter... For example, the originals started out with "downer"
endings and by the last one it was basically a bloodless feelgood film compared
to what had came before...If the RISE franchise gets too popular, its
sequels might go the same way... One could say they already have a start on it
with the "feelgood" ending of them escaping to the paradise of the Redwoods and
really no major bloodletting either... ***



In a message dated 2/18/2012 5:41:25 AM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> You mean like "Rise" was (ending changed, etc.)? The greatest danger of
> all is the danger never ends. And so we must be patient. And wait.
>
> We still wait, my children. But as I look at Ape fans and studio
> executives living in friendship, harmony and at peace, now some 6 months after
> Rise's release, at least we wait with hope for the future.
>
>
> From: mlccougar@...
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 11:06 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Fox rakes in $ for POTA
>
>
>
> While it really wasn't blood-filled or violent, do you think any follow
> ups
> to RISE will suffer the same fate as the originals (co-opted and
> emasculated)?

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BENEATH and CONQUEST weren't victims of it as much as BATTLE and ESCAPE
were... ESCAPE starts out as a fish out of water comedy at times (and takes on
a more serious tone in the second half), and BATTLE, though it had the
weaponry you mentioned, really does nothing with it... The apes are heavily armed
and what does Caesar order them to do?: Throw nets on the mutants and take
them prisoner... Quite a drastic change from the "battle" in BENEATH where
blood is spilled and the bomb is ultimately detonated...


In a message dated 2/18/2012 5:41:33 AM Central Standard Time,
johnroche49@... writes:

> How were Beneath, Conquest and Battle 'emasculated'?

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Which makes me wonder about China letting American films

into their market now.  Didn't they just pirate them anyway?

 

 

In a message dated 2/16/2012 1:24:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, georgetaylor68@... writes:

Regional and world trade agreements have since fortified i.p. protection but I'm willing to wager that in 1968, it was a joke, comparatively speaking.

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The more blood the better. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@... wrote:
>
> *** Not just an altered ending but other things as well... I'm asking if
> people think that any RISE sequels will suffer the same fate as the original
> films: Starting off with a great film and then slipping a notch with each
> release thereafter... For example, the originals started out with "downer"
> endings and by the last one it was basically a bloodless feelgood film compared
> to what had came before...If the RISE franchise gets too popular, its
> sequels might go the same way... One could say they already have a start on it
> with the "feelgood" ending of them escaping to the paradise of the Redwoods and
> really no major bloodletting either... ***
>
>
>

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When I first saw my APES marathon would have been on July 4th, 1973 at the old Gage 4 Theaters here in my hometown (Topeka, KS).  It was called an "Ape-A-Rama".  Battle had just came out a couple of months before and I'd never seen the "fifth and final chapter", as a large poster showed outside of the building.  My brother Eric had accompanied me here, he was somewhat of an APES fan too, even though he'd only seen the first two movies.  He thought Beneath had such a bleak ending that he found it somewhat incredible that there would be further stories.     He would've seen Escape and Conquest but due to his busy schedules on his job, he just never had found the time to see any of the other sequels.   I'd already seen the third and fourth installments at the various theaters which were then around my city, but Battle was a new one that I felt I had to see.   The place was packed...it was all but standing-room only, there was so much demand that three of the four mini-theaters in the building which housed Gage 4 played the movies simultaneously...I remember how we had to sir practically in the back of the room because there were so many people milling around, impatiently waiting for the shows to begin.   At the concession stand, instead of having hot dogs and the like, all they were selling was bananas and peanuts.  Well, believe me, Eric and I certainly had had our fill of those during the seven hours we were there...as did everyone else.  I think I'd eaten eight during that time, he'd eaten at least six or seven...even though some people had way more than that!  And the both of us had had so many salted peanuts that it wasn't funny.    In any case, the shows were great...and the deleted scenes which are now featured on Blu-Ray discs were all intact (well, except for Escape, Eric wondered how Zira, Cornelius and Milo were able to get Taylor's ship working again, he was one of the first people to mention that he thought maybe Brent had a ship too, because the one they returned in was much smaller than Taylor's, and had a side-hatch to it, whereas Taylor's didn't)...but he shared my sentiments in the quality of the movies, he also thought they were very entertaining and awesome, in addition to getting to see how the timeline seemed to be circular because the same Bomb that was shown so prominently in Beneath was also shown in Battle...and how the Mendez Dynasty had begun.  He'd always been curious of the mutants and their "society".   Anyway, these are my memories of the APES marathon from almost 36 years ago.    Zach Topeka, KS                     -------Original Message-------   From: jamesa1102 Date: 2/18/2012 8:59:32 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: POTA marathon     The first POTA marathon I went to was in 1973. The one problem was that my local theater, the Walker in Brooklyn, showed the films completely out of order. Since this was during Battle's release, they had been showing Battle with Planet as a second feature that week. So they started with Battle, then Planet, then the rest of the sequels in reverse order: Conquest, Escape and Beneath. The most vivid memory I have of this is my friends asking me during Beneath who wins the war since I was the only one who had seen the film before. The next time was the following year when all the films were re-released under as "Go Ape!". Back in those days films opened on Wednesday, not Fridays, and the Walker run started the last Wednesday in June. Unfortunately, the last day of school wasn't until Friday and there was a big graduation party for my older cousin on Saturday; so I couldn't go until Sunday. Those were the longest four days of my life. The outer lobby of the Walker displayed posters for all the films during "Go Ape!". That week I would stop by the theater everyday after school to stare at them. A year earlier, during their run of The Posiden Adventure, they had the one sheet for Battle in the outer lobby under 'coming soon'. I went to stare at that too so the staff was use to me. When I finally got to go on Sunday they ran still ran the films out of order starting with Conquest, then Battle, Planet, Beneath and Escape. However, they repeated Conquest and Battle after that. I later realized that they scheduled the films for adults coming in the late afternoon through the evening.

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The POTA marathon at the famous Egyptian Theater (2/18/12) went on for 10 hours, from 5 PM to 3 AM. Let's see what I can relate from my still foggy brain...

First of all, it definitely wasn't a sell out. It filled the usual 1/3rd capacity, with a mix of die hards and newbies determined to stick it out. So there was still quite a few people left at the end. The highlight of entering the theater was Jeff Barkley dressed as Julius and also someone as an ANSAnaut. Certainly added an event feel to something with such a disappointing turnout.
It started off with screening a print of "Planet". They said it was a new print but I doubt it. I've seen "Planet" in a theater so many times, I enjoyed watching it but the print was nothing special. It was an enthusiastic audience mixed with the usual individuals who maybe enjoy the "camp" appeal of Heston's performance too much.

Q & A
Next was the Q & A with Eric Braeden (Hasslein), Don Murray (Breck), H.M. Wynant (Hoskyns), Austin Stoker (MacDonald # 2) and Lou Wagner (Lucius), pinch hitting for the under the weather Linda Harrison. Obviously the idea was to have someone from each film and technically Lou was in "Beneath". The moderator was Steven Jay Rubin.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746169/
Lou was asked how he got involved and said he had hazel eyes and the apes needed brown eyes but he was willing to wear contacts or whatever it took and the director liked that.
They were asked to talk about Arthur Jacobs and Don Murray offered he was an old school producer who wasn't cynical. He didn't feel Arthur was portrayed accurately in the Oscar-nominated movie "My Weekend With Marilyn".
Eric Braeden apologized for being a stick in the mud but he has no interest in science-fiction and had no interest in POTA. He was there for a paycheck. He prefers stories with "realism". He admitted sometimes he didn't even know what Hasslein was talking about but he was able to sell the dialogue. And he felt Hasslein had a justified view, though the obvious sympathy was with the apes. He also said he had no interest in Hollywood parties and got involved with "Escape" through one of Jacobs' famous ping pong tournaments. He also mentioned he had worked on Jacobs' ill-fated sci-fi movie "Journey of the Oceanauts" which never got made because Arthur died.
H. M. Wynant said he didn't remember the "Conquest" experience but he remembered the people. He compared J. Lee Thompson to Franklin Schaffner in terms of being "mathematical" as a director (I guess that means being prepared, knowing what he wants, getting the most out of it visually he could). He had known Don Murray long before "Conquest". In fact, he considered Don's father Denny Murray to be one of his mentors. He considers "Conquest" one of his projects that will live forever, even though Hoskyns wasn't one of his biggest roles.
Austin Stoker mentioned during filming of "Battle" the orangutans (led by Paul Williams) breaking into a Supremes song and that was the first time he saw J. Lee laugh on set. He said he was cast in "Battle" because he sounded like the previous MacDonald, Hari Rhodes. In fact he remembered seeing a photo of Rhodes out of the corner of his eye and thinking it was his own mother at first. Both MacDonalds had similar facial features.
Don Murray mentioned learning his Breck lines in German and saying them with that intonation. The different versions of "Conquest" were brought up and Don said from his point of view they had decided to bring him back in "Battle" and that's why he survived. But he had no interest in repeating the role, not because he didn't like it but because he had "done it" and once was enough. Don also said the themes of POTA are eternal and ones we still struggle with and that's why the films will live forever.
Lou Wagner said he studied chimps for his role and when Roddy got around to showing him the chimp walk Roddy had developed, it was the same walk Lou had developed on his own.
Someone asked the difference between making films then and making them now. Braeden said he likes modern films because there's more realism and even TV like Showtime, etc. is more interesting. Don Murray said the advantage of older movies is they didn't use CG for everything and stuff was real. He's not a fan of CG (though somehow no one brought up "Rise of the POTA").
It ended with them being asked about current projects. Lou said he is on "Raising Hope" from time to time. Don mentioned "Breathe", a movie he did with his sons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8KUk76ryI . Braeden said he's been lucky to have worked on "The Young and the Restless" for 32 years.
They hung around a little bit for photos and autographs and then it was back to the movies, or more specifically, the blu-rays.

"Beneath": looked fine on blu-ray but couldn't compare to the print I saw in 2007. There's something off on the "Beneath" blu ray. But newbies in the audience couldn't believe the ending and were wondering if this was the last movie. Where could they go from here?
"Escape": looked fine. I'd seen the blu ray screened at the Egyptian about a year ago. Good movie.
"Conquest": My favorite movie of the marathon. For starters I'd never seen "Conquest" (or "Battle") in a theater. Plus, in watching all 5 it stands out with the most unique look. It just looked great in a theater. They did the recently found "violent" version and of course it looks even bloodier on a big screen, the bloody bastards. Yeah, I can kind of see now why mothers were dragging their kids out of the theater at the Phoenix test showing. But it would have been interesting if it had been released back then (with a music tweak). Maybe they could've released both versions. The bleak ending is intensified in a theater (at least that's how it felt to me).
"Battle": Yeah, not the best movie and the audience was quiet and exhausted by then. But damn, the blu-ray looks good and they showed the long version. The movie ended just before 3 AM with Eric Greene in the audience going, "Let's hear it for the die hards. Now, sleep like apes!" And that was that.

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Pierre Boulle would have been 100 on February 20. He was born February 20, 1912, less than 2 months before the Titanic sank. And I saw the movie, Hasslein was on that ship. Infinite number of lanes, indeed!
Boulle wrote some books, or so legend has it. Next year his POTA will be 50, so I guess he was 51 when it was published. No wonder he was an old grouch who didn't like movies.
Thanks again, Mr. Boulle!

http://kirjasto.sci.fi/boulle.htm

Thanks for the great report guys. I really wish I could have been there ...but the drive would just kill me...plus I had a fund-raising event I was attending where my sons were performing...so there was no way I could even think of being there. I really want to see Escape on the big screen!! Very interesting about Braeden...he was a perfect villain. and wow--for all the diehard fans who were able to stay for such a long marathon--bravo! My back usually gives out after the first two movies because the seat pan is always too big for me...so I end up sitting like a pretzel and am very uncomfortable after 3 hours....

Jess.

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 5:14 PM, <Haristas@...> wrote:

Thanks, Jeff, for that "ace" Hollywood report.

I think Eric Braeden may have reason to be a little resentful of Science Fiction. In 1968, the production of what would be released as COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT was supposed to be the break of his career, it even forced him to have to change his name, but the movie bombed, though it's always had a cult following.

I would have asked any of them if they'd want to be in the sequel to RISE.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 19, 2012 6:13 pm
Subject: [pota] 10 hours of "Apes"

The POTA marathon at the famous Egyptian Theater (2/18/12) went on for 10 hours, from 5 PM to 3 AM. Let's see what I can relate from my still foggy brain...

First of all, it definitely wasn't a sell out. It filled the usual 1/3rd capacity, with a mix of die hards and newbies determined to stick it out. So there was still quite a few people left at the end. The highlight of entering the theater was Jeff Barkley dressed as Julius and also someone as an ANSAnaut. Certainly added an event feel to something with such a disappointing turnout.
It started off with screening a print of "Planet". They said it was a new print but I doubt it. I've seen "Planet" in a theater so many times, I enjoyed watching it but the print was nothing special. It was an enthusiastic audience mixed with the usual individuals who maybe enjoy the "camp" appeal of Heston's performance too much.

Q & A
Next was the Q & A with Eric Braeden (Hasslein), Don Murray (Breck), H.M. Wynant (Hoskyns), Austin Stoker (MacDonald # 2) and Lou Wagner (Lucius), pinch hitting for the under the weather Linda Harrison. Obviously the idea was to have someone from each film and technically Lou was in "Beneath". The moderator was Steven Jay Rubin.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746169/
Lou was asked how he got involved and said he had hazel eyes and the apes needed brown eyes but he was willing to wear contacts or whatever it took and the director liked that.
They were asked to talk about Arthur Jacobs and Don Murray offered he was an old school producer who wasn't cynical. He didn't feel Arthur was portrayed accurately in the Oscar-nominated movie "My Weekend With Marilyn".
Eric Braeden apologized for being a stick in the mud but he has no interest in science-fiction and had no interest in POTA. He was there for a paycheck. He prefers stories with "realism". He admitted sometimes he didn't even know what Hasslein was talking about but he was able to sell the dialogue. And he felt Hasslein had a justified view, though the obvious sympathy was with the apes. He also said he had no interest in Hollywood parties and got involved with "Escape" through one of Jacobs' famous ping pong tournaments. He also mentioned he had worked on Jacobs' ill-fated sci-fi movie "Journey of the Oceanauts" which never got made because Arthur died.
H. M. Wynant said he didn't remember the "Conquest" experience but he remembered the people. He compared J. Lee Thompson to Franklin Schaffner in terms of being "mathematical" as a director (I guess that means being prepared, knowing what he wants, getting the most out of it visually he could). He had known Don Murray long before "Conquest". In fact, he considered Don's father Denny Murray to be one of his mentors. He considers "Conquest" one of his projects that will live forever, even though Hoskyns wasn't one of his biggest roles.
Austin Stoker mentioned during filming of "Battle" the orangutans (led by Paul Williams) breaking into a Supremes song and that was the first time he saw J. Lee laugh on set. He said he was cast in "Battle" because he sounded like the previous MacDonald, Hari Rhodes. In fact he remembered seeing a photo of Rhodes out of the corner of his eye and thinking it was his own mother at first. Both MacDonalds had similar facial features.
Don Murray mentioned learning his Breck lines in German and saying them with that intonation. The different versions of "Conquest" were brought up and Don said from his point of view they had decided to bring him back in "Battle" and that's why he survived. But he had no interest in repeating the role, not because he didn't like it but because he had "done it" and once was enough. Don also said the themes of POTA are eternal and ones we still struggle with and that's why the films will live forever.
Lou Wagner said he studied chimps for his role and when Roddy got around to showing him the chimp walk Roddy had developed, it was the same walk Lou had developed on his own.
Someone asked the difference between making films then and making them now. Braeden said he likes modern films because there's more realism and even TV like Showtime, etc. is more interesting. Don Murray said the advantage of older movies is they didn't use CG for everything and stuff was real. He's not a fan of CG (though somehow no one brought up "Rise of the POTA").
It ended with them being asked about current projects. Lou said he is on "Raising Hope" from time to time. Don mentioned "Breathe", a movie he did with his sons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8KUk76ryI . Braeden said he's been lucky to have worked on "The Young and the Restless" for 32 years.
They hung around a little bit for photos and autographs and then it was back to the movies, or more specifically, the blu-rays.

"Beneath": looked fine on blu-ray but couldn't compare to the print I saw in 2007. There's something off on the "Beneath" blu ray. But newbies in the audience couldn't believe the ending and were wondering if this was the last movie. Where could they go from here?
"Escape": looked fine. I'd seen the blu ray screened at the Egyptian about a year ago. Good movie.
"Conquest": My favorite movie of the marathon. For starters I'd never seen "Conquest" (or "Battle") in a theater. Plus, in watching all 5 it stands out with the most unique look. It just looked great in a theater. They did the recently found "violent" version and of course it looks even bloodier on a big screen, the bloody bastards. Yeah, I can kind of see now why mothers were dragging their kids out of the theater at the Phoenix test showing. But it would have been interesting if it had been released back then (with a music tweak). Maybe they could've released both versions. The bleak ending is intensified in a theater (at least that's how it felt to me).
"Battle": Yeah, not the best movie and the audience was quiet and exhausted by then. But damn, the blu-ray looks good and they showed the long version. The movie ended just before 3 AM with Eric Greene in the audience going, "Let's hear it for the die hards. Now, sleep like apes!" And that was that.

He did mention "The Forbin Project" and got some applause.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 5:14 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: 10 hours of "Apes"




Thanks, Jeff, for that "ace" Hollywood report.

I think Eric Braeden may have reason to be a little resentful of Science Fiction. In 1968, the production of what would be released as COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT was supposed to be the break of his career, it even forced him to have to change his name, but the movie bombed, though it's always had a cult following.

I would have asked any of them if they'd want to be in the sequel to RISE.

People really SUCK--hit and run? Two cars run over a human being and don't even stop? What SCUMBAGS!

I thought id write my views here. The responces by the guys here are what always happems with Apes 68-73. They dont pack theaters any more and the reasons are A) they have been seen many many times by the public and B) the 35mm print of POTA68, yeah right, always stinks in my view, ive seen a couple of versions, and the sequels with blowup 1080P blurays just dont cut it on a large screen-to oldtimers anyway. We tend to romanticize about the Apes for most of us were their 45 years ago and thats what matters. You are never going to get most modern audiences to like Apes today, except at times the original POTA if in great quality, but where is it? Conquest with the uncut violent ending to get younger men into it will be a young mans fun evening and I really believe it cause when I showed this to my young sons in-laws and others of the under 30 range they loved it and enjoyed the history I told them about it.
One problem I noticed is that with the exception of the 30th anniversery, the big stars or techs dont participate with these showings and now most are dead so basically we got memories and we must live with it, its a different world. All is not lost because Rise has shown that anything "new" will attrack a large audience. Like I said in other posts the Apes are an aquired taste even if its a large one-at one time anyway.
This 35mm POTA68 fiasco is getting fustrating. I have a sneaking suspician no one ever went back to a negetive print. They dont really have to with films that are 99 percent of the time will be viewed at home. With digital technology only getting more sophisticated it wont be a number 1 issue with Fox and Joe Public is easily fooled. Those befor and after framw shots from POTA68 from Blackmagic IVC were very missleading, someone just raised the black level and lowered the white level for the before picture and nothing more. Im very cynical. Take care again John M.,

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Thanks, Jeff, for that "ace" Hollywood report.
>
> I think Eric Braeden may have reason to be a little resentful of Science Fiction. In 1968, the production of what would be released as COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT was supposed to be the break of his career, it even forced him to have to change his name, but the movie bombed, though it's always had a cult following.
>
> I would have asked any of them if they'd want to be in the sequel to RISE.
>
>
>

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That was a really well-done report Jeff K. The funny conclusion was particularly appreciated. As for Eric Braeden, if he's genuinely not interested in Apes and SciFi, why did he show up at the theatre? He has plenty of money but not a great deal more time on his hands. During the early 1980's I watched a few dozen summer episodes of Young and the Restless (since my grandmother loved that show) and Mr. Braeden enjoyed being Mr. Mysterious aka Victor Newman on that series. Interestingly enough, it's apparently one of the only U.S. soaps that still runs. Most of the other classics (which I didn't watch anyway) were canceled.
Might anyone know how many seats the Egyptian theatre has? 1/3 full of 1500 isn't bad for a ten hour commitment to watch what's on DVD anyway. Anyhow thanks again for the report Jeff! :-)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The POTA marathon at the famous Egyptian Theater (2/18/12) went on for 10 hours, from 5 PM to 3 AM. Let's see what I can relate from my still foggy brain...
>
> First of all, it definitely wasn't a sell out. It filled the usual 1/3rd capacity, with a mix of die hards and newbies determined to stick it out. So there was still quite a few people left at the end. The highlight of entering the theater was Jeff Barkley dressed as Julius and also someone as an ANSAnaut. Certainly added an event feel to something with such a disappointing turnout.
> It started off with screening a print of "Planet". They said it was a new print but I doubt it. I've seen "Planet" in a theater so many times, I enjoyed watching it but the print was nothing special. It was an enthusiastic audience mixed with the usual individuals who maybe enjoy the "camp" appeal of Heston's performance too much.
>
> Q & A
> Next was the Q & A with Eric Braeden (Hasslein), Don Murray (Breck), H.M. Wynant (Hoskyns), Austin Stoker (MacDonald # 2) and Lou Wagner (Lucius), pinch hitting for the under the weather Linda Harrison. Obviously the idea was to have someone from each film and technically Lou was in "Beneath". The moderator was Steven Jay Rubin.
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746169/
> Lou was asked how he got involved and said he had hazel eyes and the apes needed brown eyes but he was willing to wear contacts or whatever it took and the director liked that.
> They were asked to talk about Arthur Jacobs and Don Murray offered he was an old school producer who wasn't cynical. He didn't feel Arthur was portrayed accurately in the Oscar-nominated movie "My Weekend With Marilyn".
> Eric Braeden apologized for being a stick in the mud but he has no interest in science-fiction and had no interest in POTA. He was there for a paycheck. He prefers stories with "realism". He admitted sometimes he didn't even know what Hasslein was talking about but he was able to sell the dialogue. And he felt Hasslein had a justified view, though the obvious sympathy was with the apes. He also said he had no interest in Hollywood parties and got involved with "Escape" through one of Jacobs' famous ping pong tournaments. He also mentioned he had worked on Jacobs' ill-fated sci-fi movie "Journey of the Oceanauts" which never got made because Arthur died.
> H. M. Wynant said he didn't remember the "Conquest" experience but he remembered the people. He compared J. Lee Thompson to Franklin Schaffner in terms of being "mathematical" as a director (I guess that means being prepared, knowing what he wants, getting the most out of it visually he could). He had known Don Murray long before "Conquest". In fact, he considered Don's father Denny Murray to be one of his mentors. He considers "Conquest" one of his projects that will live forever, even though Hoskyns wasn't one of his biggest roles.
> Austin Stoker mentioned during filming of "Battle" the orangutans (led by Paul Williams) breaking into a Supremes song and that was the first time he saw J. Lee laugh on set. He said he was cast in "Battle" because he sounded like the previous MacDonald, Hari Rhodes. In fact he remembered seeing a photo of Rhodes out of the corner of his eye and thinking it was his own mother at first. Both MacDonalds had similar facial features.
> Don Murray mentioned learning his Breck lines in German and saying them with that intonation. The different versions of "Conquest" were brought up and Don said from his point of view they had decided to bring him back in "Battle" and that's why he survived. But he had no interest in repeating the role, not because he didn't like it but because he had "done it" and once was enough. Don also said the themes of POTA are eternal and ones we still struggle with and that's why the films will live forever.
> Lou Wagner said he studied chimps for his role and when Roddy got around to showing him the chimp walk Roddy had developed, it was the same walk Lou had developed on his own.
> Someone asked the difference between making films then and making them now. Braeden said he likes modern films because there's more realism and even TV like Showtime, etc. is more interesting. Don Murray said the advantage of older movies is they didn't use CG for everything and stuff was real. He's not a fan of CG (though somehow no one brought up "Rise of the POTA").
> It ended with them being asked about current projects. Lou said he is on "Raising Hope" from time to time. Don mentioned "Breathe", a movie he did with his sons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8KUk76ryI . Braeden said he's been lucky to have worked on "The Young and the Restless" for 32 years.
> They hung around a little bit for photos and autographs and then it was back to the movies, or more specifically, the blu-rays.
>
> "Beneath": looked fine on blu-ray but couldn't compare to the print I saw in 2007. There's something off on the "Beneath" blu ray. But newbies in the audience couldn't believe the ending and were wondering if this was the last movie. Where could they go from here?
> "Escape": looked fine. I'd seen the blu ray screened at the Egyptian about a year ago. Good movie.
> "Conquest": My favorite movie of the marathon. For starters I'd never seen "Conquest" (or "Battle") in a theater. Plus, in watching all 5 it stands out with the most unique look. It just looked great in a theater. They did the recently found "violent" version and of course it looks even bloodier on a big screen, the bloody bastards. Yeah, I can kind of see now why mothers were dragging their kids out of the theater at the Phoenix test showing. But it would have been interesting if it had been released back then (with a music tweak). Maybe they could've released both versions. The bleak ending is intensified in a theater (at least that's how it felt to me).
> "Battle": Yeah, not the best movie and the audience was quiet and exhausted by then. But damn, the blu-ray looks good and they showed the long version. The movie ended just before 3 AM with Eric Greene in the audience going, "Let's hear it for the die hards. Now, sleep like apes!" And that was that.
>

POTA marathon's Egyptian Theater seats 618 and costs $5,000 to rent?

http://www.americancinematheque.com/RentalDocs/0001-American%20Cinematheque%20Rental%20Information.pdf

I wonder who put up the capital? The fact that it was merely 1/3 full is disconcerting. That comes out to less than $5,000...

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:
>
>
> That was a really well-done report Jeff K. The funny conclusion was particularly appreciated. As for Eric Braeden, if he's genuinely not interested in Apes and SciFi, why did he show up at the theatre? He has plenty of money but not a great deal more time on his hands. During the early 1980's I watched a few dozen summer episodes of Young and the Restless (since my grandmother loved that show) and Mr. Braeden enjoyed being Mr. Mysterious aka Victor Newman on that series. Interestingly enough, it's apparently one of the only U.S. soaps that still runs. Most of the other classics (which I didn't watch anyway) were canceled.
> Might anyone know how many seats the Egyptian theatre has? 1/3 full of 1500 isn't bad for a ten hour commitment to watch what's on DVD anyway. Anyhow thanks again for the report Jeff! :-)
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "georgetaylor68" <georgetaylor68@...> wrote:

>
>
> That was a really well-done report Jeff K. The funny conclusion was particularly appreciated. As for Eric Braeden, if he's genuinely not interested in Apes and SciFi, why did he show up at the theatre? He has plenty of money but not a great deal more time on his hands. During the early 1980's I watched a few dozen summer episodes of Young and the Restless (since my grandmother loved that show) and Mr. Braeden enjoyed being Mr. Mysterious aka Victor Newman on that series. Interestingly enough, it's apparently one of the only U.S. soaps that still runs. Most of the other classics (which I didn't watch anyway) were canceled.
> Might anyone know how many seats the Egyptian theatre has? 1/3 full of 1500 isn't bad for a ten hour commitment to watch what's on DVD anyway. Anyhow thanks again for the report Jeff! :-)
>
>
>

Beautifully done and detailed report by Jeff K.

As for the Egyptian, the last time I was there, the main
screening room had 600+ seats in it with asmaller 83 seat
screening.
Because of having been to the Egyptian before it was originally
split in the mid 70's...there abouts,...I was very disappointed
in the redesign of it. Outside was fine....The main screening room
was short of dismal to me. The smaller room I thought was cute
though.
If a POTA revival was done over at the Cinerama Dome, or any of the
Arclight screening rooms, that would be ok, or at the Gardena Cinema,
that would be classic....Being one of the last family owned movie
theatres in SoCal that still the same as it was back in the 70s.

room

made me sick to my stomach reading about her death, totally disgusting that a person gets drag so far by a car, and the driver keeps on going.

And it's also sad that she was checking on injured animal, it turned out to be a dead opossum

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, The Soft Parade <softparadeband@...> wrote:
>
> People really SUCK--hit and run? Two cars run over a human being and don't even stop? What SCUMBAGS!
>
>
>

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The POTA marathon at the famous Egyptian Theater (2/18/12) went on for 10 hours, from 5 PM to 3 AM. Let's see what I can relate from my still foggy brain...

First of all, it definitely wasn't a sell out. It filled the usual 1/3rd capacity, with a mix of die hards and newbies determined to stick it out. So there was still quite a few people left at the end. The highlight of entering the theater was Jeff Barkley dressed as Julius and also someone as an ANSAnaut. Certainly added an event feel to something with such a disappointing turnout.
It started off with screening a print of "Planet". They said it was a new print but I doubt it. I've seen "Planet" in a theater so many times, I enjoyed watching it but the print was nothing special. It was an enthusiastic audience mixed with the usual individuals who maybe enjoy the "camp" appeal of Heston's performance too much.

Q & A
Next was the Q & A with Eric Braeden (Hasslein), Don Murray (Breck), H.M. Wynant (Hoskyns), Austin Stoker (MacDonald # 2) and Lou Wagner (Lucius), pinch hitting for the under the weather Linda Harrison. Obviously the idea was to have someone from each film and technically Lou was in "Beneath". The moderator was Steven Jay Rubin.
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746169/
Lou was asked how he got involved and said he had hazel eyes and the apes needed brown eyes but he was willing to wear contacts or whatever it took and the director liked that.
They were asked to talk about Arthur Jacobs and Don Murray offered he was an old school producer who wasn't cynical. He didn't feel Arthur was portrayed accurately in the Oscar-nominated movie "My Weekend With Marilyn".
Eric Braeden apologized for being a stick in the mud but he has no interest in science-fiction and had no interest in POTA. He was there for a paycheck. He prefers stories with "realism". He admitted sometimes he didn't even know what Hasslein was talking about but he was able to sell the dialogue. And he felt Hasslein had a justified view, though the obvious sympathy was with the apes. He also said he had no interest in Hollywood parties and got involved with "Escape" through one of Jacobs' famous ping pong tournaments. He also mentioned he had worked on Jacobs' ill-fated sci-fi movie "Journey of the Oceanauts" which never got made because Arthur died.
H. M. Wynant said he didn't remember the "Conquest" experience but he remembered the people. He compared J. Lee Thompson to Franklin Schaffner in terms of being "mathematical" as a director (I guess that means being prepared, knowing what he wants, getting the most out of it visually he could). He had known Don Murray long before "Conquest". In fact, he considered Don's father Denny Murray to be one of his mentors. He considers "Conquest" one of his projects that will live forever, even though Hoskyns wasn't one of his biggest roles.
Austin Stoker mentioned during filming of "Battle" the orangutans (led by Paul Williams) breaking into a Supremes song and that was the first time he saw J. Lee laugh on set. He said he was cast in "Battle" because he sounded like the previous MacDonald, Hari Rhodes. In fact he remembered seeing a photo of Rhodes out of the corner of his eye and thinking it was his own mother at first. Both MacDonalds had similar facial features.
Don Murray mentioned learning his Breck lines in German and saying them with that intonation. The different versions of "Conquest" were brought up and Don said from his point of view they had decided to bring him back in "Battle" and that's why he survived. But he had no interest in repeating the role, not because he didn't like it but because he had "done it" and once was enough. Don also said the themes of POTA are eternal and ones we still struggle with and that's why the films will live forever.
Lou Wagner said he studied chimps for his role and when Roddy got around to showing him the chimp walk Roddy had developed, it was the same walk Lou had developed on his own.
Someone asked the difference between making films then and making them now. Braeden said he likes modern films because there's more realism and even TV like Showtime, etc. is more interesting. Don Murray said the advantage of older movies is they didn't use CG for everything and stuff was real. He's not a fan of CG (though somehow no one brought up "Rise of the POTA").
It ended with them being asked about current projects. Lou said he is on "Raising Hope" from time to time. Don mentioned "Breathe", a movie he did with his sons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8KUk76ryI . Braeden said he's been lucky to have worked on "The Young and the Restless" for 32 years.
They hung around a little bit for photos and autographs and then it was back to the movies, or more specifically, the blu-rays.

"Beneath": looked fine on blu-ray but couldn't compare to the print I saw in 2007. There's something off on the "Beneath" blu ray. But newbies in the audience couldn't believe the ending and were wondering if this was the last movie. Where could they go from here?
"Escape": looked fine. I'd seen the blu ray screened at the Egyptian about a year ago. Good movie.
"Conquest": My favorite movie of the marathon. For starters I'd never seen "Conquest" (or "Battle") in a theater. Plus, in watching all 5 it stands out with the most unique look. It just looked great in a theater. They did the recently found "violent" version and of course it looks even bloodier on a big screen, the bloody bastards. Yeah, I can kind of see now why mothers were dragging their kids out of the theater at the Phoenix test showing. But it would have been interesting if it had been released back then (with a music tweak). Maybe they could've released both versions. The bleak ending is intensified in a theater (at least that's how it felt to me).
"Battle": Yeah, not the best movie and the audience was quiet and exhausted by then. But damn, the blu-ray looks good and they showed the long version. The movie ended just before 3 AM with Eric Greene in the audience going, "Let's hear it for the die hards. Now, sleep like apes!" And that was that.

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Great report Jeff. Thanks for posting.

One takeaway I have is that Eric Braeden sounds like a jerk. It's like going to someone's birthday party and telling everyone, 'I really don't like the guy but only came to the party because I was promised cake'.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The POTA marathon at the famous Egyptian Theater (2/18/12) went on for 10 hours, from 5 PM to 3 AM. Let's see what I can relate from my still foggy brain...
>
> First of all, it definitely wasn't a sell out. It filled the usual 1/3rd capacity, with a mix of die hards and newbies determined to stick it out. So there was still quite a few people left at the end. The highlight of entering the theater was Jeff Barkley dressed as Julius and also someone as an ANSAnaut. Certainly added an event feel to something with such a disappointing turnout.
> It started off with screening a print of "Planet". They said it was a new print but I doubt it. I've seen "Planet" in a theater so many times, I enjoyed watching it but the print was nothing special. It was an enthusiastic audience mixed with the usual individuals who maybe enjoy the "camp" appeal of Heston's performance too much.
>
> Q & A
> Next was the Q & A with Eric Braeden (Hasslein), Don Murray (Breck), H.M. Wynant (Hoskyns), Austin Stoker (MacDonald # 2) and Lou Wagner (Lucius), pinch hitting for the under the weather Linda Harrison. Obviously the idea was to have someone from each film and technically Lou was in "Beneath". The moderator was Steven Jay Rubin.
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0746169/
> Lou was asked how he got involved and said he had hazel eyes and the apes needed brown eyes but he was willing to wear contacts or whatever it took and the director liked that.
> They were asked to talk about Arthur Jacobs and Don Murray offered he was an old school producer who wasn't cynical. He didn't feel Arthur was portrayed accurately in the Oscar-nominated movie "My Weekend With Marilyn".
> Eric Braeden apologized for being a stick in the mud but he has no interest in science-fiction and had no interest in POTA. He was there for a paycheck. He prefers stories with "realism". He admitted sometimes he didn't even know what Hasslein was talking about but he was able to sell the dialogue. And he felt Hasslein had a justified view, though the obvious sympathy was with the apes. He also said he had no interest in Hollywood parties and got involved with "Escape" through one of Jacobs' famous ping pong tournaments. He also mentioned he had worked on Jacobs' ill-fated sci-fi movie "Journey of the Oceanauts" which never got made because Arthur died.
> H. M. Wynant said he didn't remember the "Conquest" experience but he remembered the people. He compared J. Lee Thompson to Franklin Schaffner in terms of being "mathematical" as a director (I guess that means being prepared, knowing what he wants, getting the most out of it visually he could). He had known Don Murray long before "Conquest". In fact, he considered Don's father Denny Murray to be one of his mentors. He considers "Conquest" one of his projects that will live forever, even though Hoskyns wasn't one of his biggest roles.
> Austin Stoker mentioned during filming of "Battle" the orangutans (led by Paul Williams) breaking into a Supremes song and that was the first time he saw J. Lee laugh on set. He said he was cast in "Battle" because he sounded like the previous MacDonald, Hari Rhodes. In fact he remembered seeing a photo of Rhodes out of the corner of his eye and thinking it was his own mother at first. Both MacDonalds had similar facial features.
> Don Murray mentioned learning his Breck lines in German and saying them with that intonation. The different versions of "Conquest" were brought up and Don said from his point of view they had decided to bring him back in "Battle" and that's why he survived. But he had no interest in repeating the role, not because he didn't like it but because he had "done it" and once was enough. Don also said the themes of POTA are eternal and ones we still struggle with and that's why the films will live forever.
> Lou Wagner said he studied chimps for his role and when Roddy got around to showing him the chimp walk Roddy had developed, it was the same walk Lou had developed on his own.
> Someone asked the difference between making films then and making them now. Braeden said he likes modern films because there's more realism and even TV like Showtime, etc. is more interesting. Don Murray said the advantage of older movies is they didn't use CG for everything and stuff was real. He's not a fan of CG (though somehow no one brought up "Rise of the POTA").
> It ended with them being asked about current projects. Lou said he is on "Raising Hope" from time to time. Don mentioned "Breathe", a movie he did with his sons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL8KUk76ryI . Braeden said he's been lucky to have worked on "The Young and the Restless" for 32 years.
> They hung around a little bit for photos and autographs and then it was back to the movies, or more specifically, the blu-rays.
>
> "Beneath": looked fine on blu-ray but couldn't compare to the print I saw in 2007. There's something off on the "Beneath" blu ray. But newbies in the audience couldn't believe the ending and were wondering if this was the last movie. Where could they go from here?
> "Escape": looked fine. I'd seen the blu ray screened at the Egyptian about a year ago. Good movie.
> "Conquest": My favorite movie of the marathon. For starters I'd never seen "Conquest" (or "Battle") in a theater. Plus, in watching all 5 it stands out with the most unique look. It just looked great in a theater. They did the recently found "violent" version and of course it looks even bloodier on a big screen, the bloody bastards. Yeah, I can kind of see now why mothers were dragging their kids out of the theater at the Phoenix test showing. But it would have been interesting if it had been released back then (with a music tweak). Maybe they could've released both versions. The bleak ending is intensified in a theater (at least that's how it felt to me).
> "Battle": Yeah, not the best movie and the audience was quiet and exhausted by then. But damn, the blu-ray looks good and they showed the long version. The movie ended just before 3 AM with Eric Greene in the audience going, "Let's hear it for the die hards. Now, sleep like apes!" And that was that.
>

Thank you for supporting my emotions regarding this tragedy,Ron. Being an animal lover myself, I can imagine the concern this woman was feeling.And in her attempt to aid an injured animal was "murdered" by two "animals". I cannot get over how awful this tragedy is. Yet oddly, aside from it's mention here in the threads I have heard nothing of it outside the forum. I guess you have to be a Lindsay Lohan-type/Whitney Houston level "celebrity" to have any concern over your murder these days. --- On Mon, 2/20/12, RonHatter <ronhatter@...> wrote: From: RonHatter <ronhatter@...> Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Zina Bethune (Arn) To: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, February 20, 2012, 4:48 AM   made me sick to my stomach reading about her death, totally disgusting that a person gets drag so far by a car, and the driver keeps on going. And it's also sad that she was checking on injured animal, it turned out to be a dead opossum --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, The Soft Parade <softparadeband@...> wrote: > > People really SUCK--hit and run? Two cars run over a human being and don't even stop? What SCUMBAGS! > > > <.html