I first saw Beneath at the Marboro theater in Brooklyn in 1970. I don't remember the exact date but I believe it was early summer. It stands out because it was one of few movies I saw in a movie theater with my father. He worked a swing shift so he wasn't usually able to come with us. It was also the first time we sat in the balcony which at 8 years old I thought was really cool.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> That Loew's State 2 theatre is where I first saw BENEATH, on June 13, 1970, probably the 1:45 PM showing -- I can't really remember.
>
> How many here are old enough to have seen BENEATH when it originally opened? When do you remember first hearing of "Beneath" and what did you think of it before you saw it?
>
> I'd known a sequel was in the works, but I knew nothing else. I came home from school (5th grade) one afternoon in late May 1970, and my younger brother had been home all day for some reason, and he told me he'd seen a commercial on TV for "Underneath the Planet of the Apes." I went nuts, of course, and spent the next day sitting in front of the TV for hours, and I'm not kidding, hours waiting for a 30 second commercial for this movie. I kept the channel on either 5 (WNEW) or 11 (WPIX) until that commercial showed up -- it was torture. When it finally did arrive it was the commercial where you first see the white arrow drop down and cut the screen in half. I was struck right away with how bizarre the movie looked, it wasn't at all what I thought the sequel would be -- the whole mutant thing seemed very strange.
>
> I also remember wondering, "Who the hell is James Franciscus?"
>
> -- Rory
>

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I had always wondered what New Yorkers thought about it when PLANET and BENEATH came out...I wondered if they were offended by all of those fantastic landmarks being in ruins.  New York City is a very picturesque, dynamic city, and isn't it still the largest city in the world?   Zach              -------Original Message-------   From: Haristas@... Date: 5/28/2012 2:30:15 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: FW: first beneath new york 1970 ad     Personally, we felt bad because Zira and Cornelius were the only decent ones in the movie, and for them to get killed off was depressing.  It's strange that they wanted to make a movie that's as much of a downer as BENEATH is, but I guess they kind of boxed themselves in when they decided to go down the nuclear war/radiation-effects thing.  I wish they'd gone down the Pierre Boulle "Planet of Men" thing instead, but not exactly the way Boulle wanted, because Boulle destroyed the planet of the apes at the end of his script, too.   Seeing BENEATH in Manhattan was a weird thing, too, because I came out of the theatre and took a bus back down through the city to get on the Staten Island Ferry, and I can remember looking at the city from the bus and thinking, "This is all going to be destroyed someday."   I actually wanted to believe the POTA movies were going to happen.

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BOOM!'s APES #14 has, on p4,panel 4, one of the best representations of sheer human defiance I've seen in comics.Powerful stuff.
And I want a Great Khan puppet for Christmas.This series is just plain gripping---the gap between issues is an eternity.John, Scrolls.

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Cool

2012/5/29, James <JamesA1102@...>:

> From: William Burge
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:29 AM
> Subject: planet photo
>
>
>
> dear group, here is a neat photo from planet showing heston as taylor--
> great color from william
>
>

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Amazing - Great pic!!!

2012/5/30, James <JamesA1102@...>:

> From: William Burge
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:47 PM
> Subject: planet gorilla guard
>
>
>
> dear group, here is an early look at a gorilla guard dated photo from
> april
> 12, 1967 enjoy from william.
>
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The new film has been given a title and a release date, May 23, 2014. The countdown begins!

http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=89668

Due to circumstances in the last month I've had the opportunity to show family members "Rise of the POTA". Not because it's POTA but because it's a recent movie I have that they haven't seen but heard about and want to see. I'm pretty well known in the family as a POTA fan but it's a little different than being a "Star Trek" fan or "Star Wars" fan. At least that they could understand. During most of my life POTA was seen as "B" movies by many, including the classic original. So it's kind of interesting that a POTA movie is something they want to see and wind up loving. I've show "Rise" to relatives I haven't seen in almost 30 years. I even got to show it to the parents of the babysitter who introduced me to POTA in the first place. Not only do they enjoy it but I think "Rise" deals with the themes that made us POTA fans in the first place (some "Rise" haters might disagree). So I've found myself with family that now "gets" POTA. In that sense it's kind of a vindication. My aunt liked POTA and was probably my closest POTA ally in the family. She liked to mention a TV review she saw when the original came out that said basically, you might not be interested in a movie called "Planet of the Apes" but go see it. You'll be glad you did. Unfortunately my aunt died in 2010 so she didn't get to see "Rise" and I'm sorry she didn't. I think she would've loved it. Ironically, the last movie we saw together was the Andy Serkis "King Kong" (which made her cry). She also got to know Natalie Trundy and they got on well, which was cool. My aunt gave me my first POTA item, a Mego gorilla soldier.
So, does anyone have "Rise" vindication stories? Maybe you don't even like "Rise" but you have friends or relatives who "get" POTA now because of it?

So much for the R's (the screenwriters suggested "Revenge of the POTA").
Of course titles can be changed. "Rise" had it's share of them.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 1:39 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Dawn of the Planet of the Apes




The new film has been given a title and a release date, May 23, 2014. The countdown begins!

http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=89668

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So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA

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All I think of is Dawn of the Dead. I guess the next one should be Day of
the ...

On May 31, 2012 8:19 PM, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> **
>
>
> **
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel,
> "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with
> some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too
> similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty
> dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But
> I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001:
> A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In
> 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be
> connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new
> title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>
>

I love the title Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.It has portent.It maintains the tradition started by Beneath of keeping the whole POTA bit in the title--an absolute law in my mind.Ansd the word 'Dawn' just sounds right---like Jeff says, it kind of riffs on the 2001 dawn of man sequence (where the apemen are NOT in any way as good as Chambers' creations!!!).I'm getting tingly again. John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>

Happy Friday! This week's new issue of THE APE is now online.

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Also, the MARVEL ARCHIVE has been updated with the 4th chapter of Marvel's comic adaptation of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes".

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That General Proteus is a total wuss--you'd never get Urko or Ursus waving a white flag.Go Humanity---we can do it!!! And, if you are going to display such aberrations of nature on the Homepage, can you at least give a spoiler warning, ie, 'WARNING,THIS IMAGE WILL SPOIL YOUR APPETITE INDEFINITELY'.Why is there never a shark around when you need one? John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Happy Friday! This week's new issue of THE APE is now online.
>
> To view THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this
> link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm> .
>
> Also, the MARVEL ARCHIVE has been updated with the 4th chapter of
> Marvel's comic adaptation of "Battle for the Planet of the Apes".
>
> To access the ARCHIVE click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use
> this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Marvel.htm> .
>
> Have a great weekend everyone!
>
> Visit all the Group's special features including:
>
> * The Internal Website
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm> - Original POTA
> One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
> much, much more. * Lessons from the Lawgiver
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/LFTL.htm> – Words
> of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All. * Cornelius' Journal
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/CJ.htm> - The Memoirs
> of Dr. Cornelius. * Ape City Chronicles
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/ACC.htm> - The First
> 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil. * The Illustrated
> Monkey Planet <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MPC.htm>
> - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel. *
> The Mendez Dynasty
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MD.htm> - Keepers of
> the Divine Bomb. * POTA Locations
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/POTAlocations.htm> -
> The places where the POTA films were shot. * The Art Gallery
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheArtGallery.htm> -
> Works of POTA Art by our members. * The Database Section
> <http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/database> - POTA info
> ranging from Characters to Comics.
>

The sun RISEs at DAWN. LOL

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>

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Outstanding! I'm glad they have two full years to get this right.

Mike M.



-- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>
>
> The new film has been given a title and a release date, May 23, 2014.
> The countdown begins!
>
> http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=89668
> <http://www.comingsoon.net/films.php?id=89668>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

>
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>

Which ape will be Dawn? Maybe a rival for Cornelia? Look forward to seeing this new character.

I'm fine with the title, but I bet it won't be called that by the time it comes out.


Graham

Well, I have a fantasy that at the end of DAWN, a gorilla on a horse will hold a rifle over his head against a backdrop of a big, golden, dawning sun.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> The sun RISEs at DAWN. LOL
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@> wrote:
> >
> > So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel,
> "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with
> some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too
> similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn,
> dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin'
> paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening
> sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a
> big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart
> and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip
> my hat to this new title.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
> >
>

Those are four more fantastic pics...again, thanks, William!

I have one question, though...what is Brent standing in front of?

Zach




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From: James
Date: 5/30/2012 12:41:13 PM
To: Pota@yahoogroups.com
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From: William Burge
Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 1:06 PM
Subject: ape items

dear group, here are some different ape photos from william

That was a fantastic pic, William...thanks for sharing!

Zach




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From: Gelson Nicolini Monteiro
Date: 05/29/12 15:56:02
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] FW: planet photo


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2012/5/29, James <JamesA1102@...>:

> From: William Burge
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11:29 AM
> Subject: planet photo
>
>
>
> dear group, here is a neat photo from planet showing heston as taylor--
> great color from william
>
>

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>>And, I've said this before...but wasn't there the scene where

Caspay, the Verger of the Cathedral, and the Fat Man (Adiposo) running by the ruined Radio City marquee and were gunned down by orders of General Ursus on the way to the Cathedral? I am still certain this scene existed...along with the Ape Army going past the Stock Exchange. <<<.html

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Interesting. That would make the most sense, that it had a secret mission and Mars was the cover story. The "Lost in Space" newspaper could be part of the cover up, though I wish they had cut that shot out, since it dates the events to 2016, which will be outdated in a few years (unless 2016 is what the government WANTS us to believe!).
A thing for me is during the cookie scene where Caesar rallies the troops, on the TV it looks like a scene from "Conquest". I know it's not because it's not credited but it reminds me of that.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Something heard in RISE



I don't recall if this has been mentioned before, but last night I was watching some of RISE on Cinemax, and for the first time with headphones on (it was after midnight and I didn't want to be heard by neighbors). In the scene between Franco and Pinto just after John Lithgow dies, there's a radio on in the background (I heard it in the right headphone speaker), and a radio interviewer is briefly talking to a woman from NASA. I couldn't make out exactly what they are saying because the actors are talking over it, but it was intriguing. I doubt now that the "Icarus" flight to Mars was simply to just go to Mars.

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Sorry, this is late, I'm just caching up. I lost mine a few years back.  We didn't

always see eye to eye, but he was my fixed point in this universe.  I guess you'd

say Kim was my trail run. But it's not the same. No matte how much you care for

them, someone you met a few times is not who raised you. I still see them, if only in

my dreams. No wisdom is passed from beyond the veil, but...still. It's nice to see

them from time to time.  I got a recorder from my mother.  It has my dad testing

it.  And it's nice to hear his voice from beyond the grave.  I guess I should listen

to the interview I made with Kim for a school project now.  Been over 10 years since I last

heard it, so, it's past due to hear her voice. That helps more that videos. In vids, you know

they've gone, and you can't reach them. In audio, well, let's just say it could have been

yesterday, with no visual reference to date it. Cherish the time you had.  It's only now

you know their true value.  Now, when you go forward, you'll know what's worth your time.

 

Take care,

T 

 

 

In a message dated 5/24/2012 1:06:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

 

My dad died last Sunday and his memorial is Saturday. I bring it up because of the POTA connections. My own POTA adventures meant he knew Natalie Trundy and Bill "stage Cornelius" Blake personally. One of my favorite POTA memories is when I took Natalie to a sci-fi convention because Charlton Heston was going to be there. It was just after POTA2001 was greenlit. Linda Harrison was there and one of her sons and we hung with Heston and then Natalie and Linda took me to lunch. Anyway, the next day was my dad's birthday (so I guess April 2000) and it didn't occur to me to say something, I guess Natalie did, and Linda signed one of her hotter pictures to my dad, saying, "You were fantastic last night!". Just a terrific idea for an autographed photo and he loved it. That was such a sweet gesture from Natalie and Linda and I will always be grateful. My dad never understood my love of POTA either as a kid or an adult and that's something I was sad about but such are relationships.
Another thing that occurred to me lately is how the death of a father is significant in both the POTA movies that came out in the last almost 40 years. There's the scene between Thade and his father (played by Heston himself). Yeah, people groan about that scene (damn, they got Heston in ape makeup and that's the best they could come up with?) but I'm always moved by Thade's reaction to his dad's death. This scene is significant because Tim Burton's dad died during preproduction on POTA2001. Reportedly he was never close to his folks but there was something there because his next film was the ode to fatherhood "Big Fish". As it turns out, I love that movie and the song Eddie Vedder wrote for it, "Man of the Hour" and in fact I'm quoting it in the memorial card people will receive at my dad's service:

And the road the old man paved
The broken seams along the way
The rusted signs left just for me
He was guiding me
Love, his own way

Now the man of the hour
Is taking his final bow
As the curtain comes down
I feel this is just goodbye for now

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2012/05/10/dark-shadows-tim-burton-and-richard-d-zanuck-form-a-family/

And of course the death of a father plays a big part in "Rise of the POTA" (it could be considered the reason the POTA is born). My dad was struggling with his health when that came out and I felt it was a pretty interesting theme for the original POTA generation. They were kids when the original POTA movies came out and now many of them are dealing with the same thing Will is in the movie, aging parents.
So, here's to you dad, and to all the POTA fathers who are struggling.

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I ran back that scene several time and couldn't make out what they were saying on the background. I then ran the scene with the captions on. The captions only say at the start of the scene "(radio playing low in background)" and "(newscast continues)". But after Frieda Pinto says, "Some aren't meant to be changed. You have to accept that", a caption comes up, "BROADCASTER...than what we're accustomed to here on Earth".  What it means is hard to say.

Does anyone have a final draft of the Rise script that details what is being said on the radio?

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I don't recall if this has been mentioned before, but last night I was watching some of RISE on Cinemax, and for the first time with headphones on (it was after midnight and I didn't want to be heard by neighbors). In the scene between Franco and Pinto just after John Lithgow dies, there's a radio on in the background (I heard it in the right headphone speaker), and a radio interviewer is briefly talking to a woman from NASA. I couldn't make out exactly what they are saying because the actors are talking over it, but it was intriguing. I doubt now that the "Icarus" flight to Mars was simply to just go to Mars.
>

I listened to it. It starts with a weather report (female voice) and then a male reporter introduces "NASA astrobiologist Angela Harper Stevens". They talk about something I couldn't make out because Franco and Pinto were talking and then the reporter says, "We now need to look for something more than what we're accustomed to here on Earth".
It is kinda background and doesn't suggest anything with the Icarus. Maybe it was part of something bigger they decided to cut. It seems in the end they decided to downplay the Icarus. People on the set reported seeing designs for Heston's actual ship but they ultimately went with generic footage. Maybe they decided to pull back and decide later whether they really want to go the "direct prequel" route.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE




I ran back that scene several time and couldn't make out what they were saying on the background. I then ran the scene with the captions on. The captions only say at the start of the scene "(radio playing low in background)" and "(newscast continues)". But after Frieda Pinto says, "Some aren't meant to be changed. You have to accept that", a caption comes up, "BROADCASTER...than what we're accustomed to here on Earth". What it means is hard to say.

Does anyone have a final draft of the Rise script that details what is being said on the radio?

It could be that they planned to show Heston's ship as the Icarus but just didn't have the time to CG it and went to generic footage. I remember there was a set visit where someone saw Icarus designs and said it looked like Heston's ship, but I can't find it. Here's a set visit that talks about the Icarus design.
http://www.slashfilm.com/film-visits-set-rise-planet-apes/

The last word from the director is that the Icarus is Heston's ship, and that would make more sense if the mission is secret and Mars is a cover story (though there's still refs to the '60's/70's in the original films. I guess that's what they're hashing out with the sequel scripts now. My take is the idea that "Rise" etc. is a direct sequel to the original (which the director seems to think) if they bring in the alternate timelines physicists are leaning towards (put in to play in the recent "Star Trek" movie). We know Heston came from "Escape" 's 1973 but if he crossed a timeline then the future seen in POTA68 could be the future of "Rise" that he crosses into. But I don't see how the Icarus in "Rise" could serve as Heston's ship unless we stay loose with the dialogue in the original.


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 7:07 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE



I listened to it. It starts with a weather report (female voice) and then a male reporter introduces "NASA astrobiologist Angela Harper Stevens". They talk about something I couldn't make out because Franco and Pinto were talking and then the reporter says, "We now need to look for something more than what we're accustomed to here on Earth".
It is kinda background and doesn't suggest anything with the Icarus. Maybe it was part of something bigger they decided to cut. It seems in the end they decided to downplay the Icarus. People on the set reported seeing designs for Heston's actual ship but they ultimately went with generic footage. Maybe they decided to pull back and decide later whether they really want to go the "direct prequel" route.

From: jamesa1102
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 6:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE

I ran back that scene several time and couldn't make out what they were saying on the background. I then ran the scene with the captions on. The captions only say at the start of the scene "(radio playing low in background)" and "(newscast continues)". But after Frieda Pinto says, "Some aren't meant to be changed. You have to accept that", a caption comes up, "BROADCASTER...than what we're accustomed to here on Earth". What it means is hard to say.

Does anyone have a final draft of the Rise script that details what is being said on the radio?

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And so, I posted about the possibility that the "Rise" sequels might do some alternate universeing to connect to POTA68 and low and behold, there is an internet story about Fox planting the flag for "Days of Future Past", the X-Men story that deals in alternate timelines. What the hell does that have to with anything? Well, give me a minute and I'll explain, Smarty! It might seem odd but the 10 year old "X-Men" movies don't match up with the recent "X-Men: First Class" reboot/prequel (see what I did there? It seems pretty much how "Rise" was described and "First Class" and it's sequel will come out the same year as "Rise" and it's sequel). So fans are speculating that using the alternate universe "Days of Future Past" storyline, Fox will match up the "old" "X-Men" movies with the new ones. Did I say Fox? Yes I did, the same studio that has POTA in it's grimy mitts. So if this speculation is correct, the current Fox regime is not above playing with alternate timelines, and their star POTA director who sez "Rise" leads directly into POTA68 may be listened to.
Here I am, a genius, but no one listens to me. What a tragedy.

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56219
http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/matthew-vaughns-x-men-are-heading-to-days-of-future-past


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 12:09 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE



It could be that they planned to show Heston's ship as the Icarus but just didn't have the time to CG it and went to generic footage. I remember there was a set visit where someone saw Icarus designs and said it looked like Heston's ship, but I can't find it. Here's a set visit that talks about the Icarus design.
http://www.slashfilm.com/film-visits-set-rise-planet-apes/

The last word from the director is that the Icarus is Heston's ship, and that would make more sense if the mission is secret and Mars is a cover story (though there's still refs to the '60's/70's in the original films. I guess that's what they're hashing out with the sequel scripts now. My take is the idea that "Rise" etc. is a direct sequel to the original (which the director seems to think) if they bring in the alternate timelines physicists are leaning towards (put in to play in the recent "Star Trek" movie). We know Heston came from "Escape" 's 1973 but if he crossed a timeline then the future seen in POTA68 could be the future of "Rise" that he crosses into. But I don't see how the Icarus in "Rise" could serve as Heston's ship unless we stay loose with the dialogue in the original.

I was also wondering if there is any technical reason why, at some stage, Charlton Heston and crew couldn't appear again in this trilogy---if they can do such a stunning Caesar in RISE, it must surely be a possiblity to do a Chuck with the WETA genius? It could open up a whole Pandora's box (not the Avatar one) of possiblities.
And if FOX does Days of Future Past, and does it right, that would be a dream come true for this 'Ol Marvelite who grew up on the Claremont/Byrne X-Men.Happy days! John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> And so, I posted about the possibility that the "Rise" sequels might do some alternate universeing to connect to POTA68 and low and behold, there is an internet story about Fox planting the flag for "Days of Future Past", the X-Men story that deals in alternate timelines. What the hell does that have to with anything? Well, give me a minute and I'll explain, Smarty! It might seem odd but the 10 year old "X-Men" movies don't match up with the recent "X-Men: First Class" reboot/prequel (see what I did there? It seems pretty much how "Rise" was described and "First Class" and it's sequel will come out the same year as "Rise" and it's sequel). So fans are speculating that using the alternate universe "Days of Future Past" storyline, Fox will match up the "old" "X-Men" movies with the new ones. Did I say Fox? Yes I did, the same studio that has POTA in it's grimy mitts. So if this speculation is correct, the current Fox regime is not above playing with alternate timelines, and their star POTA director who sez "Rise" leads directly into POTA68 may be listened to.
> Here I am, a genius, but no one listens to me. What a tragedy.
>
> http://www.aintitcool.com/node/56219
> http://www.hitfix.com/motion-captured/matthew-vaughns-x-men-are-heading-to-days-of-future-past
>
>

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Ray Bradbury was a giant of science fiction, even though he considered "Fahrenheit 451" his only sci-fi book. Booth Colman knew him and told me Bradbury would have been his choice to fix the POTA TV show.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/author-ray-bradbury-dies-at-91-daughter-says.html"

He will be missed....

Ray also wrote the screenplay for Moby Dick with Greg Peck

Man...
Off to read The Martian Chronicles, Delicate Sound of Thunder, 451...and many more...




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CGI Chuck! I wonder how his family would feel about that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> I was also wondering if there is any technical reason why, at some stage, Charlton Heston and crew couldn't appear again in this trilogy---if they can do such a stunning Caesar in RISE, it must surely be a possiblity to do a Chuck with the WETA genius? It could open up a whole Pandora's box (not the Avatar one) of possiblities.

and for the Old Time Radio World Ray was also Awesome!

In Honor of Ray Bradbury: (links from the Internet Archive)

From X Minus 1

Green Hills of Earth

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-07-07008TheGreenHillsOfEarth.mp3

The Veldt

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-08-04012TheVeldt.mp3

And the Moon Be Still as Bright

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-09-22019AndTheMoonBeStillAsBright.mp3


There Will Come Soft Rains/ Zero Hour

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne56-12-05078ThereWillComeSoftRains-ZeroHour.mp3

and from Dimension X: "The Martian Chronicles"

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles/Dimension_X_1950-08-18__20_TheMartianChronicals.mp3

and Martian Death March

1st from X-1- then Dim X version

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-09-08017TheMartianDeathMarch.ogg

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles/Dimension_X_1951-01-14__34_TheMartianDeathMarch.mp3

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

He will be missed....

Ray also wrote the screenplay for Moby Dick with Greg Peck

Man...
Off to read The Martian Chronicles, Delicate Sound of Thunder, 451...and many more...

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Ray Bradbury was a giant of science fiction, even though he considered "Fahrenheit 451" his only sci-fi book. Booth Colman knew him and told me Bradbury would have been his choice to fix the POTA TV show.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/author-ray-bradbury-dies-at-91-daughter-says.html"

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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I was reading about the new Green Arrow pilot and Colleen Atwood is doing the costumes.She's done a pretty cool (for DC)costume design for Green Arrow, with a green velvet swathe on the upper torso and shouldes, with grey leather for the rest of the tunic--it made me wish she could have had the chance to do something like that for the chimps in Apes 2001, rather than the moving furniture we got.I hope DAWN and sequel/s do some sort of echo of the classic costumes, with the colours and glyphs.John, Scrolls.

Happy Birthday Maurice!

Zach




-------Original Message-------

From: Haristas@...
Date: 6/4/2012 10:26:46 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: FW: happy birthday maurice evans


Yes, happy birthday Maurice Evans!

I was talking to someone recently who has the first season of "The Mod Squad
on DVD, and Maurice Evans is in a couple episodes and this person says he's
really good in it. I may have to see if Netflix rents it and check it out.

I give you CGI Chuck and raise you a CGI Zira, Cornelius and Zaius. Oh, plus Lucius, Ursus and Nova. Hell, bring the whole gang back. We want us some REAL Planet of the Apes (in CGI).

PS Maybe they could fix CGI Landon's beard. The original paste-on was decidedly dodgy.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> CGI Chuck! I wonder how his family would feel about that.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > I was also wondering if there is any technical reason why, at some
> stage, Charlton Heston and crew couldn't appear again in this
> trilogy---if they can do such a stunning Caesar in RISE, it must surely
> be a possiblity to do a Chuck with the WETA genius? It could open up a
> whole Pandora's box (not the Avatar one) of possiblities.
>

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I thought he was a good writer also.  I have The Martian Chronicles on DVD.  And, as I recall, Roddy McDowell was in one episode.   Zach            -------Original Message-------   From: Bill Hollweg Date: 06/06/12 11:07:02 To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT     He will be missed.... Ray also wrote the screenplay for Moby Dick with Greg Peck Man... Off to read The Martian Chronicles, Delicate Sound of Thunder, 451...and many more... On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:   Ray Bradbury was a giant of science fiction, even though he considered "Fahrenheit 451" his only sci-fi book. Booth Colman knew him and told me Bradbury would have been his choice to fix the POTA TV show. http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/author-ray-bradbury-dies-at-91-daughter-says.html" --

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How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie? "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire franchise".

Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story. 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
>

Wyatt has not been consistant on this. In another interview he said this about Rise:

"This is part of the mythology and it should be seen as that. It's not a continuation of the other films; it's an original story. It does satisfy the people who enjoy those films. The point of this film is to achieve that and to bring that fan base into this film exactly like `Batman [Begins].'"

http://collider.com/set-visit-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/85807

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>So if this speculation is correct, the current Fox regime is not above playing with alternate timelines, and their star POTA director who sez "Rise" leads directly into POTA68 may be listened to.

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How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

I'm not talking literally, but figuratively.  Bradbury wrote a short story, I'm sure you know it, where traveling into the past and changing anything results in a reshaping of the future.  That makes nonsense of Dehn's trying to tie up the POTA series into a closed loop of any kind.  Bradbury was a Science Fiction writer of much greater credentials than Dehn, and for me, in this respect, I'll take Bradbury over Dehn.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:43 am
Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT

 

How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie? "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire franchise".

Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story. 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
>

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Appreciate it Adam!

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:09 AM, Adam Eizen <alexiamarkova@...> wrote:

Thanks Bill, Ray influenced sci-fi for years, that most likely includes POTA in at least some manner, he may not have been a fan, but I'm sure he had a real effect. I for one can't help but wonder what the POTA TV series would have been like if he had had a hand in it. Ray will be missed, even if we don't really realize it. At least he left a legacy for us all, in the form of a huge body of work ranging from books to plays, both audio and stage, to movies and TV shows that will likely live on for generations to come.

From: Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT

and for the Old Time Radio World Ray was also Awesome!

In Honor of Ray Bradbury: (links from the Internet Archive)

From X Minus 1

Green Hills of Earth

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-07-07008TheGreenHillsOfEarth.mp3

The Veldt

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-08-04012TheVeldt.mp3

And the Moon Be Still as Bright

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-09-22019AndTheMoonBeStillAsBright.mp3


There Will Come Soft Rains/ Zero Hour

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne56-12-05078ThereWillComeSoftRains-ZeroHour.mp3

and from Dimension X: "The Martian Chronicles"

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles/Dimension_X_1950-08-18__20_TheMartianChronicals.mp3

and Martian Death March

1st from X-1- then Dim X version

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_X_Minus_One_Singles/XMinusOne55-09-08017TheMartianDeathMarch.ogg

http://archive.org/download/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles/Dimension_X_1951-01-14__34_TheMartianDeathMarch.mp3

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Bill Hollweg <billhollweg@...> wrote:

He will be missed....

Ray also wrote the screenplay for Moby Dick with Greg Peck

Man...
Off to read The Martian Chronicles, Delicate Sound of Thunder, 451...and many more...

On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

Ray Bradbury was a giant of science fiction, even though he considered "Fahrenheit 451" his only sci-fi book. Booth Colman knew him and told me Bradbury would have been his choice to fix the POTA TV show.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/06/author-ray-bradbury-dies-at-91-daughter-says.html"

--

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Great Audio Drama adaptation was made of this for the Bradbury 13 Audio Drama series.

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Dario <darios@...> wrote:

It was the classic "Butterfly effect" story. In a nutshell, a time traveller goes into the past (dinosaur era) and manages to not disturb anything lest he change history. But he inadvertently steps on a butterfly, which ends up having drastic consequences to the timestream. There was even a Simpsons parody episode.

Dario

On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Haristas@... wrote:

How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

I'm not talking literally, but figuratively. Bradbury wrote a short story, I'm sure you know it, where traveling into the past and changing anything results in a reshaping of the future. That makes nonsense of Dehn's trying to tie up the POTA series into a closed loop of any kind. Bradbury was a Science Fiction writer of much greater credentials than Dehn, and for me, in this respect, I'll take Bradbury over Dehn.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:43 am
Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT

How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie? "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire franchise".

Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
>

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

Granted, Bradbury was a better science fiction writer than Dehn, maybe even a better overall wrter. But his story has nothing to do with POTA. So it is not a matter of taking Bradbury over Dehn, either figuratively or literally.

We now know that there is no life on Mars and movies, novels & stories reflect that fact. Does that make nonsense out of Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles? When The Martian Chronicles were published, did it make nonsense out of H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds? No, they exist in totally different fictional universes that have there own rules.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I'm not talking literally, but figuratively. Bradbury wrote a short story, I'm sure you know it, where traveling into the past and changing anything results in a reshaping of the future. That makes nonsense of Dehn's trying to tie up the POTA series into a closed loop of any kind. Bradbury was a Science Fiction writer of much greater credentials than Dehn, and for me, in this respect, I'll take Bradbury over Dehn.
>
>
>

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It was the classic "Butterfly effect" story. In a nutshell, a time traveller goes into the past (dinosaur era) and manages to not disturb anything lest he change history. But he inadvertently steps on a butterfly, which ends up having drastic consequences to the timestream. There was even a Simpsons parody episode.

Dario

On Jun 7, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Haristas@... wrote:

 

How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

I'm not talking literally, but figuratively.  Bradbury wrote a short story, I'm sure you know it, where traveling into the past and changing anything results in a reshaping of the future.  That makes nonsense of Dehn's trying to tie up the POTA series into a closed loop of any kind.  Bradbury was a Science Fiction writer of much greater credentials than Dehn, and for me, in this respect, I'll take Bradbury over Dehn.

-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 7, 2012 8:43 am
Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT

 

How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie? "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire franchise".

Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story. 

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
>

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Well said, James. Doesn't make me a "circularist" but good point. Rory was referring to Bradbury's famed short story "A Sound of Thunder" which showed you can't time travel without changing things.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder



From: jamesa1102
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:43 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: R.I.P. Ray Bradbury OT




How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films. So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.

If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie? "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire franchise".

Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
>

That's when they were making the film. His most recent comments when it was released are that it's Heston's ship. That's the only connection so far to the originals (except that Caesar looks like he's developing into a Chambers ape). So in that sense it's "an original story" (it doesn't continue from "Battle", it starts it's own timeline that might lead to POTA68) but it is "part of the mythology" of the originals, as opposed to starting it's own POTA mythology.


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 5:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE




Wyatt has not been consistant on this. In another interview he said this about Rise:

"This is part of the mythology and it should be seen as that. It's not a continuation of the other films; it's an original story. It does satisfy the people who enjoy those films. The point of this film is to achieve that and to bring that fan base into this film exactly like `Batman [Begins].'"


http://collider.com/set-visit-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes/85807

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>So if this speculation is correct, the current Fox regime is not above playing with alternate timelines, and their star POTA director who sez "Rise" leads directly into POTA68 may be listened to.

Thanks Jeff!

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Well said, James. Doesn't make me a "circularist" but good point.

I'm getting the feeling, based on the conflicting comments of Wyatt and Jaffe & Silver that they haven't decided what path their films will take in the future and are leaving there options open.

As far as being part of the mythology, was that the main problem for most with the 2001 remake? That film simply ignored everything from the original films. Rise on the other hand paid homage and tied in to them.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That's when they were making the film. His most recent comments when it was released are that it's Heston's ship. That's the only connection so far to the originals (except that Caesar looks like he's developing into a Chambers ape). So in that sense it's "an original story" (it doesn't continue from "Battle", it starts it's own timeline that might lead to POTA68) but it is "part of the mythology" of the originals, as opposed to starting it's own POTA mythology.
>
>

Yeah, I think they left it open because they weren't even sure if it would be successful and have sequels (whether audiences would accept CG apes was a big question). Now that it's going to be a "trilogy" they have to decide what they are going to do.

The problem with POTA2001 was the script. It doesn't matter to me if a new POTA movie is directly linked to the originals. If someone did a good POTA movie that was totally it's own thing that would be fine. But if the "Rise" team wants to tie it in I would be interested in how they do it. Some fans didn't feel "Rise" was close enough to the originals; they want a continuation or a new story with the same makeup and costumes. To each their own. I just want a POTA movie that lives up to POTA at it's best (social commentary, good characters, good filmmaking).



From: jamesa1102
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 8:11 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Something heard in RISE




I'm getting the feeling, based on the conflicting comments of Wyatt and Jaffe & Silver that they haven't decided what path their films will take in the future and are leaving there options open.

As far as being part of the mythology, was that the main problem for most with the 2001 remake? That film simply ignored everything from the original films. Rise on the other hand paid homage and tied in to them.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> That's when they were making the film. His most recent comments when it was released are that it's Heston's ship. That's the only connection so far to the originals (except that Caesar looks like he's developing into a Chambers ape). So in that sense it's "an original story" (it doesn't continue from "Battle", it starts it's own timeline that might lead to POTA68) but it is "part of the mythology" of the originals, as opposed to starting it's own POTA mythology.
>
>

Excellent response. I wasnt a great fan of Bradbury and James you hit it on the head. I respect the man but all this blubering makes me ,an Apes fan, sick. Take care, Long live Serling, Wilson and Dehn,,,:) John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> How could it? It is not at all related to the POTA universe. While
> Bradbury was a great writer, he had nothing to do with the POTA films.
> So nothing he wrote has anything to do with what Dehn wrote.
>
> If Bradbury wrote a story where it was impossible for something like the
> Force to exist; would that make nonsense out of Star Wars? If Bradbury
> wrote a story saying warp drive was impossible; would that make nonsense
> out of Star Trek? Should Paramount just cancel the next Star Trek movie?
> "Sorry folks but Ray Bradbury wrote a story that invalidates the entire
> franchise".
>
> Of course not. Every writer in science fiction creates their own
> universe with its own internal rules. What one writer says is possible
> or impossible in his or her own story has absolutely no impact on what
> another writer says is possible or impossible in his or her story.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > He's also famous for a short story that makes nonsense of a Dehnian
> view of the POTA series as a timeloop.
> >
>

Believe me, if the next two films or even just the next Apes film makes much more money you will see atleast five films. You think X-Men or Batman or , so many other action films had a plan for a certain amount of films but it all changed because money talks. The original Apes films proved that.
I would love to see a whole slew of new apes films if the quality is their. Just thinking, John M.

You bet. But I think it's a trilogy for the current director and then they will take it another direction with someone else. Just like the current Batman "ends" this summer as a trilogy and then they move on. The current "Star Trek" screenwriter said they will probably do a trilogy. It's respectful to the directors who do a good job to not have their "take" carried on by someone else. Let the next director do their own thing.
Fox's latest prequel "Prometheus" sounds like it has a built in sequel (natch) but will it get one? The reviews are mixed, though it sounds like it's worth seeing just for the visuals and Michael Fassbender. Ebert gave it 4 stars (top score) and he was less kind to "Rise" (and POTA in general). Sounds more "2001" than "Alien".


From: JohnM conquest-idor
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:12 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] More than three new Apes films?



Believe me, if the next two films or even just the next Apes film makes much more money you will see atleast five films. You think X-Men or Batman or , so many other action films had a plan for a certain amount of films but it all changed because money talks. The original Apes films proved that.
I would love to see a whole slew of new apes films if the quality is their. Just thinking, John M.

Been re-reading Michael Wilson's shooting script from May 1967 and it's wonderful.It's the closest thing we'll get to a novelisation of the movie, full of poetic, descriptive narrative.There's little bits like Landon staring dazed at Stewart's corpse that hint at an earlier relationship and the description of the approaching planet was maybe only realised in the TV Series credits.It's a great read.John,Scrolls.

For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.

I think DAWN, or DOTPOTA as I'll now call it (if I'm the first, I'm owed a cent every time it's used), is a VERY important movie for Apedom--if it's a big hit, we're secure for years.If it's Cowboys and Aliens, we're sunk.Just like Beneath,if it's inventive,surprising and really moves the Apes on story-wise, it could be the foundation for a new cinematic Apes dynasty.We need, I personally think, not only an empathetic,Zira type Ape, to hook us, but also,maybe, an heroic human type.No pressure folks, just make it brilliant,successful and lasting.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@...> wrote:
>
> Believe me, if the next two films or even just the next Apes film makes much more money you will see atleast five films. You think X-Men or Batman or , so many other action films had a plan for a certain amount of films but it all changed because money talks. The original Apes films proved that.
> I would love to see a whole slew of new apes films if the quality is their. Just thinking, John M.
>

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For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.

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For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.

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Courtesy of Alex, I have digital copies of all the POTA Super 8 films. They can be downloaded here:

- Planet: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Super8/POTA_Super8.wmv

- Beneath: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Super8/Beneath_Super8.wmv

- Escape: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Super8/escape_super8.wmv

- Conquest: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Super8/conquest_super8.wmv

- Battle: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/Super8/battle_super8.wmv

Just right click on the link and select 'Save As' from the pop-up menu to download. If any needs them in another format, such as QuickTime, let me know.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
>
> For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.
>

The more I think about it, Rise and Dawn do seem to similar. Of course Conquest and Battle are similar too. I always liked 'Birth of the Planet of the Apes' as a film title. I wonder why they didn't use that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>

But I'm sure back then they were gold. As a kid, even the View Masters were gold. To actually own whole movies at home, and extras, would've blown my mind.


From: Tim
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Super 8 Apes




Check ebay...i got a disc with all five films on them...havent watched whole thing yet...basically very much shortened versions of the films....great chunks are skipped....
Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:21 AM, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:



For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.



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Maybe they like it because they are similar, sun metaphors. "Dawn" is fine because it reminds of "2001" 's "Dawn of Man" and the director is a Kubrick man. He compared "Rise" to "Sparticus" and the sequel to "Full Metal Jacket".


From: jamesa1102
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 6:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: dawn, dirty apes




The more I think about it, Rise and Dawn do seem to similar. Of course Conquest and Battle are similar too. I always liked 'Birth of the Planet of the Apes' as a film title. I wonder why they didn't use that.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> So what's the consensus about the current title for the "Rise" sequel, "Dawn of the POTA"? On the 'net there seems to be a mixed reaction, with some loving it and others not so much ("Rise" and "Dawn" seeming too similar). I dunno, it sounds like what they use to wash their damn, dirty dishes; it's tough on food particles but gentle on their stinkin' paws. But I like that it reminds me of the "Dawn of Man" opening sequence from "2001: A Space Odyssey" ("Rise" director Rupert Wyatt is a big Kubrick fan). In 1968 POTA and "2001" came out a couple months apart and will always be connected in my mind. So for that reason I will tip my hat to this new title.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2iiPpcwfCA
>

I had the TV series viewmaster....Still do...Somewhere...Must look

On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:43 AM, Jeff K. <veetus@...> wrote:

But I'm sure back then they were gold. As a kid, even the View Masters were gold. To actually own whole movies at home, and extras, would've blown my mind.

From: Tim
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 5:20 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Super 8 Apes

Check ebay...i got a disc with all five films on them...havent watched whole thing yet...basically very much shortened versions of the films....great chunks are skipped....
Tim

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:21 AM, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:

For some mad reason, I've had, for years, a few of the Apes Super 8 reels,even though I'll never own a projector.Has anybody viewed these? Are they exactly like edited versions of the films or are there differences? Is there any way to slap them on disc? Why am I so useless with this stuff? John, Scrolls.

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