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Thanks for all the great photos, William.  I just couldn't help but think, though...seeing Taylor in the cage on PLANET.  He also was in a cell in BENEATH, too.  I can't but help agree with him, how he was saying "it was a madhouse".  Because it certainly was at that time.   Zach             -------Original Message-------   From: James Date: 6/15/2012 5:00:38 PM To: Pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] FW: planet items [3 Attachments]     From: William Burge Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:17 PM Subject: planet items   dear group,  here are some neat planet photos from william.

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The line itself is terrific, and it would be perfect on a plaque at the United Nations if it wasn't for the association it brings. It became a punch line based on who said it, and that Burton gave it to Limbo, who was willing to go whichever way the wind was blowing (especially toward profit), says it all. But if Gandhi had said it, it would be a great line.


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:53 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] R.I.P. Rodney King



"Can't we all just get along?" - - - Limbo, in POTA2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

Meanwhile Limbo's quote's near the end at this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3dbGhSdUbY

I worked in Los Angeles the same summer as the Rodney Riots 20 years ago. At the end, I visited Lake Powell and was mesmerized. Then a year later, I visited the seashore that closely resembled where the Statute of Liberty belonged :-)

Have a great week, from Houston

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> The line itself is terrific, and it would be perfect on a plaque at the United Nations if it wasn't for the association it brings. It became a punch line based on who said it, and that Burton gave it to Limbo, who was willing to go whichever way the wind was blowing (especially toward profit), says it all. But if Gandhi had said it, it would be a great line.
>
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] R.I.P. Rodney King
>
>
>
> "Can't we all just get along?" - - - Limbo, in POTA2001
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0
>

That's a good point about RISE.Apes has an uncanny talent for inter-weaving repeating themes and issues, doesn't it.It's interesting, on the topic of speech,that Farrow in the first tv episode doesn't actually speak until well into the episode--up until then, you are left in doubt as to whether he might even be mute.Speech and communication are major Apes themes.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
>
> In the Wilson 1967 script, p 80, the debate between Zaius and Taylor in Zaius' office has an exchange where Taylor explains he's from a different planet in a different solar system.Zaius asks how is it then they speak the same language.Do we think this was taken out to avoid spoiling the Liberty reveal? It does show that they were alive to the language question.John, Scrolls.
>
>
>
>
>
> The answer is, yes. Movies like PLANET require "suspension of disbelief" and that often requires that things not get said that would cause the viewer to "think about it too much."
>
> I think Rupert Wyatt in his commentary for RISE said that their was dialogue in the script, and I think it was shot, that talked about how advanced Caesar's physiology was and that he had a developing voice box or some such, but it was cut because they didn't want to help give away the ending.
>

I love the new homepage image--would make a mega cool poster.John, Scrolls.

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Thanks John. It just seemed rather obvious given the name of the sequel.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> I love the new homepage image--would make a mega cool poster.John, Scrolls.
>

I think we'll see apes in clothes and on horseback, at least the start of it. That's what folks want. Fox's Tom Rothman said they were experimenting with different eras to set it in. There needs to be a progression, especially if it's only going to be a trilogy.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:06 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Homepage



I doubt we'll see gorillas on horseback in DAWN. The apes will most likely still be the modern day primitive apes of RISE. Maybe in the third film.




-----Original Message-----
From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 10:03 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Homepage



Thanks John. It just seemed rather obvious given the name of the sequel.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> I love the new homepage image--would make a mega cool poster.John, Scrolls.
>

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Or will apes be driving the abandoned cars? They have to get around. And modifying human clothes and whatever else they can find at abandoned Walmarts? Boullesque! "Battle" with a budget.


From: Jeff K.
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:14 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Homepage



I think we'll see apes in clothes and on horseback, at least the start of it. That's what folks want. Fox's Tom Rothman said they were experimenting with different eras to set it in. There needs to be a progression, especially if it's only going to be a trilogy.

From: Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 8:06 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Homepage

I doubt we'll see gorillas on horseback in DAWN. The apes will most likely still be the modern day primitive apes of RISE. Maybe in the third film.

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True I was told their were screenings for the New York, New England/Mid Atalantic press(Pauline Kaels good review and Time magazines and or Newsweeks positive review whos Film Board worked out of NY then) and I talked to my father who had great connections then through the Postal Service/Inspection Service and he remembers pushing me to go on one of his days off which were for 20 years Wendesday/Sunday and I know it wasnt Sunday because of the ticket stub. His memmorie is slowely fading and thats what makes "Rise" special to me-I cant help but get "Misty" but he is correct.
I do remember some audience members with clip boards but I thought they were just crazy fans, what do you expect from a 12 year olds mind. I used to go to theaters and drive ins with my bootleg cassette setup (I had several post heads that were missing speakers at The Bay Shore D.I.and I hard wired them into my Panasonic stereo recorder and thats why I became a pain in the neck to Bart Pierce and Lewis Lagrone years later when I told them how great the sound was on the Apes pictures till they were sent to Magnetic Video and 16mm transfers were used and inferior prints and sound used for LaserDiscs a decade later but I digress) which was handy a few years later at King Crimson, Greatful Dead and Doobie Brother concerts but thats another bunch of stories.
This is getting intresting and Ive got to figure out a way to solidify my position on that date with absolute hard proof. Take care and sorry for going on and on- been away for almost two days and I always check in. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Usually a day or two before a movie opens there is a press screening for
> critics and others in the media. Is it possible that you went to a press
> screening on the 28th?
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "JohnM conquest-idor" <johnmermigas@>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have an manilla envelope with a Conquest postage stamp(Fox promo
> stamp) that some glossys were sent in. Im pretty sure on the envelope it
> has a blurb about its opening in NYC. Ill try to get this stuff but its
> hard because its all in a closet behind my stereo/theater and its a pain
> in the neck. I have back problems. Also I have a review that strangly
> has it rated GP instead of PG since that rating and the M rating were
> recently stopped by the Hollywood ratings board. The novelization book
> has it rated GP though. John M.
> >
>

I bet after winning some kind of connflict in which some humans have horses the Apes jump on the horses backs and ride into the sunset and that leads into maybe the last film depending on grose dollars, it might go furthur than three films. Lets take Bets and dont beleive anything said at Fox, beleive me on that. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
> I doubt we'll see gorillas on horseback in DAWN. The apes will most likely still be the modern day primitive apes of RISE. Maybe in the third film.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Mon, Jun 18, 2012 10:03 am
> Subject: [pota] Re: Homepage
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks John. It just seemed rather obvious given the name of the sequel.
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@> wrote:
> >
> > I love the new homepage image--would make a mega cool poster.John, Scrolls.
> >
>

I like the "Dawn of the Dead" poster-great. John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
> From: William Burge
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 10:09 AM
> Subject: dawn of the planet of the apes
>
>
>
> dear group, here are two different images on dawn --kind of a neat
> concept even to early to tell what the final poster art will look like.
> from william
>

GREAT!!!

2012/6/18, James <JamesA1102@...>:

> From: William Burge
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 9:56 AM
> Subject: rare beneath photo
>
>
>
> dear group, here is a rare photo i found on beneath enjoy from william.
>
>

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Just when you thought it was safe to move on, "Rise of the POTA" is back for more acclaim. The Saturn Awards (for science fiction, fantasy and horror) are Wednesday and "Rise" is up for 5 awards, including:

Best Science Fiction Film: "Rise", "The Adjustment Bureau", "Capt. America", "Limitless", "Super 8" and "X-Men: First Class"

Best Director: Rupert Wyatt, "Rise"; Steven Spielberg, "Tin Tin"; Martin Scorsese, "Hugo"; J. J. Abrams, "Super 8"; Brad Bird, "Mission: Impossible 4"; and David Yates, "Harry Potter 8"

Best Screenplay: Amanda Silver & Rick Jaffa, "Rise"; J. J. Abrams, "Super 8"; Woody Allen, "Midnight in Paris"; John Logan, "Hugo"; Jeff Nichols, "Take Shelter"; and Mike Cahill & Brit Marling, "Another Earth"

Best Supporting Actor: Andy Serkis, "Rise"; Ralph Fiennes, "Harry Potter 8"; Harrison Ford, "Cowboys & Aliens"; Tom Hiddleston, "Thor"; Alan Rickman, "Harry Potter 8"; Stanley Tucci, "Capt. America"

Best FX: "Rise", "Tin Tin", "Capt. America", "Harry Potter 8", "Super 8", "Transformers" (note that "Hugo", which beat "Rise" for the Oscar, isn't here)

http://www.saturnawards.org/nominations.html"

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Why would they have a press screening (and review) that early, especially back then? Sounds like it makes more of a case for June 14.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 9:22 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Mystery Solved! [1 Attachment]



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I believe I've solved the mystery of CONQUEST's release date, and I've done it without having to bother Joe Russo.

It suddenly popped into my head yesterday (like "duh") that I've had photo copies of the Variety reviews stashed away for decades. I've dug them out.

Attached you'll find a scan of the page the CONQUEST review appeared on, the entire page. The review for CONQUEST is June 8, 1972, which is probably when the studio held a press screening on the Fox lot, but if you look up at the top left of the page you'll see that the review appeared in the June 14th issue of the weekly Variety.

I don't want to say that perhaps there was a little bit of sloppy research done by the author's of "POTA Revisited" (but I just did), but you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out.

June 29th is the "official" release date of CONQUEST.

You're all welcome,
Rory

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Long ago I looked up the L. A. Times reviews on microfilm and wrote down the dates so I'd know when they came out. I have them written down somewhere.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:36 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery!






Why would they have a press screening (and review) that early, especially back then? Sounds like it makes more of a case for June 14.



Do you think you could possibly get yourself to a library and see if there's still the LA Times on microfilm and check it out? It's still possible it opened in LA before New York, but I think possibly not.

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Great detective work Rory!

Thanks for clearing that up.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> I believe I've solved the mystery of CONQUEST's release date, and I've done it without having to bother Joe Russo.
>
> It suddenly popped into my head yesterday (like "duh") that I've had photo copies of the Variety reviews stashed away for decades. I've dug them out.
>
> Attached you'll find a scan of the page the CONQUEST review appeared on, the entire page. The review for CONQUEST is June 8, 1972, which is probably when the studio held a press screening on the Fox lot, but if you look up at the top left of the page you'll see that the review appeared in the June 14th issue of the weekly Variety.
>
> I don't want to say that perhaps there was a little bit of sloppy research done by the author's of "POTA Revisited" (but I just did), but you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out.
>
> June 29th is the "official" release date of CONQUEST.
>
> You're all welcome,
> Rory
>

To start with, your method of dating the past is crude, to say the least. I have "Ape" fans on my staff who'd laugh at your speculations. I can offer an alternate description of that article that would be just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof!


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 7:11 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!






Great detective work Rory!
Thanks for clearing that up.

Have I cleared it up? Jeff doesn't think so. I can well imagine that the studio would have had a press screening as early as June 8th and then not have the movie open in New York until June 29th. It doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but Jeff has problems with that. I'm still open to the possibility that it may have opened in LA or other places before New York based on how BATTLE was rolled out the next year, but I just haven't anyway to find that out.

So, until some other concrete evidence manifests itself, the June 29th opening of CONQUEST in New York stands as the official opening date -- with me anyway.

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Burton used the line in "Mars Attacks" too, so don't bet on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0


From: Tim "apefan"
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 8:01 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] R.I.P. Rodney King




I would bet that Giamatti ad libbed the line and Burton kept it....
Tim




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From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [pota] R.I.P. Rodney King




The line itself is terrific, and it would be perfect on a plaque at the United Nations if it wasn't for the association it brings. It became a punch line based on who said it, and that Burton gave it to Limbo, who was willing to go whichever way the wind was blowing (especially toward profit), says it all. But if Gandhi had said it, it would be a great line.

From: Jeff K.
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:53 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] R.I.P. Rodney King

"Can't we all just get along?" - - - Limbo, in POTA2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0

The Saturn Awards (of which "Rise" is up for 5) were originally scheduled for tonight but I guess they are being handed out July 26. Please adjust your schedules accordingly.

Im still not convinced. In NY at that time theaters would with permission have screenings. Fox brass were plentyfull in NY at that time and "official opening tommorow" happened plenty of times. I would be in the city every weekend and any other day I could get myself out their and rules were always broken.
Movies opened on Wendsdays , I have my train ticket and a very good memmory and my fathers recollections and little influence in the day and all I say is if the 29th is wendsday then it is the 29th. Thats it Bye, John M. Maybe I have another train ticket:)

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Great detective work Rory!
>
> Thanks for clearing that up.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > I believe I've solved the mystery of CONQUEST's release date, and I've
> done it without having to bother Joe Russo.
> >
> > It suddenly popped into my head yesterday (like "duh") that I've had
> photo copies of the Variety reviews stashed away for decades. I've dug
> them out.
> >
> > Attached you'll find a scan of the page the CONQUEST review appeared
> on, the entire page. The review for CONQUEST is June 8, 1972, which is
> probably when the studio held a press screening on the Fox lot, but if
> you look up at the top left of the page you'll see that the review
> appeared in the June 14th issue of the weekly Variety.
> >
> > I don't want to say that perhaps there was a little bit of sloppy
> research done by the author's of "POTA Revisited" (but I just did), but
> you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure this one out.
> >
> > June 29th is the "official" release date of CONQUEST.
> >
> > You're all welcome,
> > Rory
> >
>

Im keeping out of this sillyness now. Im on pain medicine so this includes me too.
Hey Jeff draw me another Christmas card or Chanukah card-Im Greek and Jewish if that helps my old comrade. Take care fellows, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> To start with, your method of dating the past is crude, to say the least. I have "Ape" fans on my staff who'd laugh at your speculations. I can offer an alternate description of that article that would be just as ingenious as yours. But it would be conjecture, not proof!
>
>
>
>
> I see you've been enjoying your prescription for medical marijuana. Let me have some.
>

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Universal have hired Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes screenwriters Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver to script Jurassic Park 4.

<http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/universal-sets-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-scribes-for-jurassic-park-4/>

In JP4 a troubled young scientist, searching for a cure to Alzheimer's, adopts a genetically modified, infant Velociraptor... Hilarity and hi-jinks then ensue.

Dave

With a dramatic finale at the local Burger King when our young hero grabs James Franco around the neck and growls 'T-Rex is home'.You know, May 2014 seems a bloody ETERNITY away.It's the longest confirmed date waiting time I think Apes has had.I was going to be strong and stoical, but I'm already weakening.John, Scrolls.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "dave" <smugster2000@...> wrote:
>
> Universal have hired Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes screenwriters Rick Jaffa and Amanda Silver to script Jurassic Park 4.
>
> <http://www.deadline.com/2012/06/universal-sets-rise-of-the-planet-of-the-apes-scribes-for-jurassic-park-4/>
>
> In JP4 a troubled young scientist, searching for a cure to Alzheimer's, adopts a genetically modified, infant Velociraptor... Hilarity and hi-jinks then ensue.
>
> Dave
>

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June 14th was a Wednesday. ; )


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 5:10 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!






Im still not convinced. In NY at that time theaters would with permission have screenings. Fox brass were plentyfull in NY at that time and "official opening tommorow" happened plenty of times. I would be in the city every weekend and any other day I could get myself out their and rules were always broken.
Movies opened on Wendsdays , I have my train ticket and a very good memmory and my fathers recollections and little influence in the day and all I say is if the 29th is wendsday then it is the 29th. Thats it Bye, John M. Maybe I have another train ticket:)



June 29, 1972 was a Thursday. I'm not sure why that seems to upset you. It's all past now, and since we can't go back in time, it's over and done with.

Well I'll make this offer, if anyone can come up with evidence that Conquest opened in LA or anywhere on June 14th; I'll send them a Medicom Gorilla Soldier figure.

To be clear up front, evidence would be ads in local newspapers showing the film was running in local theaters that were open to the public on June 14th. Press previews, charity screenings, etc. don't count. Thanks.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Have I cleared it up? Jeff doesn't think so. I can well imagine that the studio would have had a press screening as early as June 8th and then not have the movie open in New York until June 29th. It doesn't sound unreasonable to me, but Jeff has problems with that. I'm still open to the possibility that it may have opened in LA or other places before New York based on how BATTLE was rolled out the next year, but I just haven't anyway to find that out.
>
> So, until some other concrete evidence manifests itself, the June 29th opening of CONQUEST in New York stands as the official opening date -- with me anyway.
>

I found a "Variety" ad, a full pager from 7/19/72 proclaiming "It's an APJAC Summer!" that shows "Play It Again, Sam" and "Conquest", listing what they've made. Both say as of 7/11/72. It says that was Conquest's 10th day in theaters (which would've been June 30th) but "excluding Los Angeles and New York record breaking engagements - New Embassy Theater New York - all time record!" (it says "Conquest" made $1,179,544 in 75 theaters it's first 10 days). Doesn't solve the problem, but interesting.
It says "Play It Again, Sam" made $5,334,704 it's first 7 weeks in 249 theaters (also as of July 11). And it's got some review quotes for each.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!






June 14th was a Wednesday. ; )




I guess you still haven't found those LA opening dates you said you had written down?

Let's recap, my dear Watson. John sez movies came out on Wednesday back then but this suggests they opened on Fridays, like they do now. Conventional wisdom sez "Conquest" opened in New York on June 29 but John saw it on June 28. I have stuff from my Natalie days, including Arthur's appointment cards from 1972, which say there was a "Conquest" sneak on June 6, press day was June 7 and the screening for his Apjac company was June 9. But it doesn't say anything about the release date.
Maybe Joe got June 14 from Greene's book. I could call both of them but what fun is that? Hopefully I can find those L. A. Times review dates tonight.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 9:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!




Interesting, yes, but it also kind of says to me that CONQUEST opened in New York before anywhere else.

I think the June 14th date in POTA Revisited is simply a mistake -- and it's repeated in Eric Greene's book (he also has BATTLE released on July 13th -- I guess my July 4th viewing was a sneak peak).

You think im mad, c'mon. Im laughing at how it goes on forever. My ticket says wendsday june 29th 1972 thats all.
I had plenty of great stuff I wanted to scan if I knew how and my son will eventually help me. Im glad someone else got you guys the Cinamafantastique issue which I had the day it was released. Anyway have fun, and keep wriring, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
> Im still not convinced. In NY at that time theaters would with permission have screenings. Fox brass were plentyfull in NY at that time and "official opening tommorow" happened plenty of times. I would be in the city every weekend and any other day I could get myself out their and rules were always broken.
> Movies opened on Wendsdays , I have my train ticket and a very good memmory and my fathers recollections and little influence in the day and all I say is if the 29th is wendsday then it is the 29th. Thats it Bye, John M. Maybe I have another train ticket:)
>
>
>
> June 29, 1972 was a Thursday. I'm not sure why that seems to upset you. It's all past now, and since we can't go back in time, it's over and done with.
>

You might be absolutly right!. Talking with my father we remembered that we went to Conquest twice at the Embassy on 46th st(thats what it was called then to us New Yorkers). First time we went he complained about the sandwich at the resturant next door to the theater and we went into Conquest just when the riots(thats what they were meant to sybolize-no conquering the earth) got on the way and stayed for the next start. Then we went again about a week later. So if we went on the June 19th date and then went on a later(June 29th) date it clears it all up.
I have copys of microfilm from the NY Times that I made in college in 1977-78 and when I find them it WILL clear this all up.
I know in my heart that all city limited releases opened on WENDSDAYs. After the weekend if it made good money it creeped to the Long Island theaters as far as Suffolk county. Then from as far as the Babylon theater it went to Riverhead and to all points east.
We on Long Island thought of us as the important ones as movies always opened that way for decades until Jaws in 1975.Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I found a "Variety" ad, a full pager from 7/19/72 proclaiming "It's an APJAC Summer!" that shows "Play It Again, Sam" and "Conquest", listing what they've made. Both say as of 7/11/72. It says that was Conquest's 10th day in theaters (which would've been June 30th) but "excluding Los Angeles and New York record breaking engagements - New Embassy Theater New York - all time record!" (it says "Conquest" made $1,179,544 in 75 theaters it's first 10 days). Doesn't solve the problem, but interesting.
> It says "Play It Again, Sam" made $5,334,704 it's first 7 weeks in 249 theaters (also as of July 11). And it's got some review quotes for each.
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:12 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!
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> June 14th was a Wednesday. ; )
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> I guess you still haven't found those LA opening dates you said you had written down?
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I love those Press releases. It shows to me that my memory is fine and all I know is that the sequels were incredibly popular to us kids and adults and made more money than Fox or anybody admits to. Not to sound like Oliver Stone but they(Fox) kept monnies made close to the vest-Taxes Man!
After speaking with Fox big wigs back in the day and thats important as compared to 40 years later the Apes films were the big money makers for Fox and if it wasnt for them(Apes) Star Wars and all the rest would have a totally different history. Plenty of film books I have and sci-fi books I have all say the same and to me the only important and correct proclamations are from That Time and not from our dim recolections even if im right. HaHa, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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>
> Just had a thought.... Eric Greene's book came out long before POTA Revisited. If the June 14th date is in Greene's book, which it is, then Greene is the one who needs to be contacted, and since Jeff Krueger knows Eric Greene, then Jeff should stop digging and get on the phone to Greene!
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> JUST SAYIN'!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 21, 2012 12:17 pm
> Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!
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>
>
>
> I found a "Variety" ad, a full pager from 7/19/72 proclaiming "It's an APJAC Summer!" that shows "Play It Again, Sam" and "Conquest", listing what they've made. Both say as of 7/11/72. It says that was Conquest's 10th day in theaters (which would've been June 30th) but "excluding Los Angeles and New York record breaking engagements - New Embassy Theater New York - all time record!" (it says "Conquest" made $1,179,544 in 75 theaters it's first 10 days). Doesn't solve the problem, but interesting.
> It says "Play It Again, Sam" made $5,334,704 it's first 7 weeks in 249 theaters (also as of July 11). And it's got some review quotes for each.
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 7:12 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!
>
> June 14th was a Wednesday. ; )
>
> I guess you still haven't found those LA opening dates you said you had written down?
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:

> By then, there will be a way of operating on a man, giving him a form of artificial gills. He says that already such surgery has been performed on rabbits who have survived happily underwater for as long as six months.

Say what!?

Jacobs sure knew how to get your attention.

Dave

TGIF! This week's issue of THE APE is now available.

To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive
- Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

Wow. There's quite a bit to absorb from that one article. I was also surprised to hear that up to that point there was a monkey in each of his previous movies (can anyone confirm that?).

When it comes to Frankenstein, there was a pretty faithful made for TV adaptation in the mid seventies. "Frankenstein: The True Story" was an extended movie shown over 2 night with Micheal Sarazzin as the creature and an all star cast with lavish sets and high production values. It would be surprising that Jacobs did not know about this production if he was at all close to Hollywood. I wonder if he was marginally involved. Nothing in IMDB seems to indicate so: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070074/

Never even heard of "Journey of the Oceanauts" much less the fact that he had already gone to the trouble to panelling out the scenes. x But if if he did have all the scenes mapped out like that, there must have been a script to go along. It is surprising to hear that Jacobs believed we were even close to having 'artificial gills' and that we would soon be able to walk under the ocean like that. And what the hell was that about bunnies being surgically altered to live under water for six months!

I hope to see more from the Jacobs File collection, but you really have to get a scanner. You'll be transcribing way to much.

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff K." <veetus@...>
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 1:03:58 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] The Jacobs File # 1




Due to my relationship with Natalie Trundy I wound up with a lot of Arthur Jacobs stuff, including clippings compiled by his staff. There's been plenty written about his POTA movies but I was curious about some of his sci-fi projects that got away. He was planning a faithful version of the novel that started science fiction, Mary Shelley's "Frankenstein" (eventually made in the '90's by Kenneth Branagh, with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle). He was the first producer to pursue a movie version of the book "Dune". And what sounds like his primo project, "Journey of the Oceanauts", was a hard sell along the lines of his original POTA.
I decided it was time to go through this stuff. But better yet, maybe WE should go through this stuff. I'll try to daily post something (I'll have to describe since I can't scan) and in about 20 years we'll get through it. Here's the first piece:

It's a story from reporter Dick Kleiner for the Newspaper Enterprise Association/New York-Cleveland. There's no date but it looks like it came out with "Escape".

"Movie Producer Goes Ape" by Dick Kleiner (includes a picture of Jacobs)

HOLLYWOOD - (NEA) - Producers are men who solve problems, but Arthur P. Jacobs has one now which is a real brain-buster. Where can he put a monkey in a film set underwater? This requires some explanation. Jacobs has come to regard the presence of a monkey in his movies as a lucky talisman, much as Alfred Hitchcock always sticks himself in his movies somewhere.
It began with his first film, "What A Way To Go", in which an ape helped Paul Newman paint pictures. Then came "Doctor Dolittle", where Rex Harrison had a monkey buddy. "Planet of the Apes" followed and that was all-monkey. After that, he found spots for chimps in "The Chairman" and "Goodbye, Mr. Chips", and then came two more "Planet of the Apes" pictures - "Beneath the POTA" and the new one, "Escape From the POTA", which is a delight. Coming up is a fourth in the series, "Conquest of the POTA".
And then will come Jacobs' biggest film, "Journey of the Oceanauts". This is the story of four men walking across the Pacific, underwater, in the 1990's from Los Angeles to Japan. Now, where can he put that monkey? Jacobs has been working on "Oceanauts" for a couple of years already. He showed me some of the 1,100 drawings he has had made, drawings which show each scene and how the effects can be achieved. He says the possibility that men will be able to walk along the ocean floor by the 1990's is scientifically sound. By then, there will be a way of operating on a man, giving him a form of artificial gills. He says that already such surgery has been performed on rabbits who have survived happily underwater for as long as six months.
Before that film is shot, however, the fourth of the "Apes" movies will come along. There seems to be no end in sight for this hugely successful series. Jacobs thought the second one would be the last and the apes' planet blew up at the end of that one and everybody was killed. But the world wanted more, so Jacobs figured out a way to do the one in current release. The fourth will be relatively easy, and if you've seen "Escape From the POTA" you can pretty well figure out what "Conquest of the POTA" will be about. After that - "If that's the last", Jacobs says - there will be a TV show based on the Apes plot. He says they have been after him to do a series since the original film came out, but he won't do it until the feature films have run their course. He'll be happy meanwhile if anybody can tell him where to put that monkey in the underwater picture. He's losing sleep over it.

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On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 6:22 AM, jamesa1102 <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

TGIF! This week's issue of THE APE is now available.

To read THE APE, click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/TheApe.htm.

Have a great weekend everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Internal Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive
- Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Lessons from the Lawgiver – Words of wisdom from the Greatest Ape of All.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

--

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Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
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And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

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I think "Frankenstein" was one of Jacobs' earlier projects (I have a treatment of it I copied from the Jacobs collection at Loyola Maramount).
http://www.oac.cdlib.org/findaid/ark:/13030/kt996nf8b8/entire_text/
I think he had moved on by the '70's. He might have heard of "The True Story" but he died before it aired. From what I've heard it's not all that faithful. Branagh's is the most faithful, though he did make some changes.
Yeah, that stuff about artificial gills is pretty out there, but as they said, Jacobs was a showman. It reminded me of that scene in "The Abyss" with the rat underwater. "Oceanauts" would be right up James Cameron's alley. Jacobs paid for his own screen test because the studios wanted him to prove he could do believable "underwater" scenes on a stage. I have pictures of it. Eric "Hasslein" Braeden and Bruce "Willard" Davidson starred. FX legend Douglas Trumbull did the FX and was going to co-direct the movie with J. Lee Thompson ("Conquest", "Battle"). It was going to be a $ 5 million production that Jacobs considered his "2001".



From: Dario Sciola
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 4:42 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com, pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: The Jacobs File # 1



Wow. There's quite a bit to absorb from that one article. I was also surprised to hear that up to that point there was a monkey in each of his previous movies (can anyone confirm that?).

When it comes to Frankenstein, there was a pretty faithful made for TV adaptation in the mid seventies. "Frankenstein: The True Story" was an extended movie shown over 2 night with Micheal Sarazzin as the creature and an all star cast with lavish sets and high production values. It would be surprising that Jacobs did not know about this production if he was at all close to Hollywood. I wonder if he was marginally involved. Nothing in IMDB seems to indicate so: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070074/

Never even heard of "Journey of the Oceanauts" much less the fact that he had already gone to the trouble to panelling out the scenes. x But if if he did have all the scenes mapped out like that, there must have been a script to go along. It is surprising to hear that Jacobs believed we were even close to having 'artificial gills' and that we would soon be able to walk under the ocean like that. And what the hell was that about bunnies being surgically altered to live under water for six months!

I hope to see more from the Jacobs File collection, but you really have to get a scanner. You'll be transcribing way to much.

Thanks for posting this Jeff.

Dario

If anyone comes up with a One Sheet poster for Dawn; please send it to me and we'll put it up on the group's Yahoo! homepage.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnroche49" <johnroche49@...> wrote:
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> I love the new homepage image--would make a mega cool poster.John, Scrolls.
>

According to the NY Times website the review was published on June 30, 1972 and states the film opened the day before on the 29th. http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review?res=9B04E6DA1F3EE63BBC4850DFB0668389669EDE

A year later Battle opened in New York on July 13th, which was a Friday in 1973. This could just be another example of forward thinking by Jacobs by moving the opening day of a film from the traditional Wednesday to Friday, closer to the weekend which is more lucrative at the box office.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> 
>
> Yes! Yes! Yes! Now that I think about it more, Wednesday June 28th 1972, would or could, have been the day CONQUEST opened in New York. The New York TImes review would have appeared the next day, June 29th. You know, I probably still have a clipping of CONQUEST on opening day from The New York Times -- but I don't know where it is.
>
> Anyway, now we know there was a "sneak" screening on June 6th, and that's the date on the Variety review, so a reviewer was there, that's been confirmed.
>

Eric sez he doesn't remember the specifics but he would've checked with Fox or the Motion Picture Academy to be sure. He wouldn't have taken a review date at face value. So I guess it must have had a release date earlier in Los Angeles. Even one theater would have been a release.


From: Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 7:39 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Mystery Solved!




If you've got a theatre stub from the New Embassy that says Wednesday, June 28, 1972 on it, John, then you saw CONQUEST on its opening day in New York City.

There is no issue with that.

All we're trying to figure out is where this June 14th day comes in. It was also a Wednesday. Did CONQUEST open in LA on that date?

As of now... no one knows.

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For what it's worth - IMDB also lists June 29, 1972 as the release date.

Mike

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
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> OK, ignore all my other emails today. There are so many dates flying around that I'm getting as confused as hell, so let me recap as best as I can figure out the situation as it stands now.
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> These are the dates we know now as FACTS about the release of CONQUEST in 1972:
>
> June 6, 1972: Fox studio "Sneak Peek"
> June 7, 1972: Fox studio "Press Screening"
> June 8, 1972: Daily Variety Review appears
> June 29, 1972: New York opening at New Embassy Theatre
> June 30, 1972: New York Times review appears
>
>
> And that's what we know as FACTS. The June 14th date that's in Greene's book and repeated in the Russo/Lansman/Gross book is, as far as I'm concerned, a mistake based on confusion by Eric Greene between the daily vs. weekly Variety's. I have it on paper that the Variety review is dated June 8th.
>
> So, unless anyone wants to argue with this further, the matter is settled. CONQUEST didn't open anywhere prior to the June 29th opening in New York.
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LOVE the CONCEPT ART!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:08 PM, James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

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From: William Burge
Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 10:15 AM
Subject: planet shots

dear group, here are some great photos from planet -- one of them shows the concept artwork that jacobs had made up to take his ideals to all the film companys to pitch planet of the apes. from william

--

Bill Hollweg
Have Sword...
Will Slay...
Barbarian in need of Ale...
Check out my Audio Drama Productions-
Bill Hollweg
Lord of Design for BrokenSea Audio
And the other half of "The Brothers of Kaboom... BY FRACKIN' CROM!
http://brokensea.com/

The Saga of the Grog and Gryphon @
http://brokensea.com/grog/ and
http://www.westlakefilms.co.uk
Planet of the Apes/BPOTA at

http://brokensea.com/pota/
http://brokensea.com/bpota/

and
Ulysses-Galactic Guides & Bounty Hunting
http://brokensea.com/ulysses/ and
CONAN the Audio Book and Audio Drama
http://www.archive.org/details/ConanQueenOftheBlackCoastRobertEHowardFullCastAudio

OTR SwagCast http://brokensea.com/otr/

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Ever feel like your getting gang b####$, I do. I will not-appropiatly write anymore until I have better proof and then I will try to scan it. I will not argue with a newspaper but my best friend at that times family owned or ran the Bayshore Drive in and even though they would be punished with death by the film studio they could and did open films if they received the cans in full sometimes the night before and adds were handed out at the South Shore Mall by the kids in the family with the proclamation "Sneek Preview" to generate publicity without proof from a major paper to crucify them. Sounds far fetched but wierder things went on in those pre internet days.
I know I went on a wendsday and to add fuel to the fire I pretty sure it was playing upstate NY before the opening in Manhattan at The Embassy 46th St. So an LA playdate before the NYNY date is possible.
It might be as simple as the dates you posted but my mystery Babylon NY train ticket from Wendsday June 28th 1972 is my mystery and I was a proper and totaly acurate and thorough collector when I was young.
The manilla envelope sent to me in September of that year by Jerry Anderson from Fox publicity NY has a Fox made postage stamp with the proper opining in the city.
You might say "just whip it out" but like I said if you could see my theater the collection of Apes material is behind my six foot tall rack with about a weight of 300 lbs three inches from the door that swings out and with my bad back I cannot and will not attempt anything in the way of moving it without a buying offer of my recently appraised value of 57 thousand dollars. Not bragging just lucky and sagacious.
Im fustrated at myself for making proclamations without proof because I would demand it of others but like I have written its alittle impossible at this moment and its not the most important thing going on in my house, baby sitting my granddaughter for a few days. I bet I might surprise many here??? PS I wonder what dear Natalie thinks about how Jacobs is portrayed in Rise of the POTA?PSS, Im so happy that John Lithgow was in it, I was a fan since "Blow Out". Take care, John M.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mmuse@... wrote:
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> For what it's worth - IMDB also lists June 29, 1972 as the release date.
>
> Mike
>
>

Something I noticed in Rise of the POTA is Caesars hair get slightly fuller and darker and the suggestion of a part in it? From the fight on the bridge till the films end or am I imagining it? Its starting to look like my POTA 68 trading cards with Cornelius and Zira on them with the shorter doos as opposed to the Escape onward look. It would be cool to have an update of the original look not Burton look though they did a great job. Am I wrong? Take care John M.

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IMDB lists it as June 29th in New York & June 30th for the rest of the country.

 

 

In a message dated 6/20/2012 10:01:06 A.M. Central Daylight Time, veetus@... writes:

To start with, your method of dating the past is crude, to say the least. I have "Ape" fans on my staff who'd laugh at your speculations.

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That sounds like a supremely bad idea.

when you think of al the thing bigger than

people that might like to make a meal of them.

Great movie!  Bad idea.  Call me Gill Fishman!

 

 

In a message dated 6/22/2012 12:00:21 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Four men walking across the bottom of the Pacific from LA to Japan?!!!!!

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The Chronology of the Apes feature on the Planet 35th Anniversary DVD also lists Conquest's release date as June 29th.

Anyone who wants to download the feature can do so here: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/pota_pc.exe.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mmuse@... wrote:
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> For what it's worth - IMDB also lists June 29, 1972 as the release date.
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> Mike
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