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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnpitt81" <johnpitt81@...> wrote:
>
> Can anybody please give me some info. about the 2001 UK POTA weekly or fortnightly comic? It was about the Tim Burton movie, but I don't know who published it or how many issues there were. It may have reprinted the strips from the USA Dark Horse comic books? Can anyone help? Cheers, John Pitt.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> I already mentioned the connection. That's why I brought it up in the first place.
>
>
> From: Haristas@...
> Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 7:16 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: "Battlestar Galactica" and POTA
>
>
>
>
> How come this thread just keeps on going, but mention "Star Trek" here and you're closed down immediately?
>
> BTW, "Battlestar Galactica".... please. What's next? POTA and "Babylon 5"?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff K. <veetus@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 20, 2013 5:42 am
> Subject: Re: [pota] "Battlestar Galactica" and POTA
>
>
>
> Last night I finally watched the last episode of "Lost" (with gorgeous music by Michael "Dawn of the POTA" Giacchino). Both "Lost" and "Battlestar" were on around the same time and their finales divided fans like perhaps no others in TV history (well, the end of "The Sopranos" also comes to mind). Personally, I loved both of them, but I see them more as poetry, which sounds odd when describing TV. But I do give creators some room when I feel their topics are worthy and the nuts and bolts are solid. I acknowledge both finales are disappointing to the literalists but TV is such a disposable medium that I will always root for the ones doing things differently. I think the main themes of both "Battlestar" and "Lost" are death and the importance of faith that there is a higher meaning in this universe. I know enough about these shows to know that their creators spoke from the soul, and the production quality was first rate. Just as I defended "Rise of the POTA" from people who wanted to pick at every little thing when the big picture is grand, I would defend these shows. Rock on, TV with a difference.
>
> From: Jeff K.
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 12:29 PM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [pota] "Battlestar Galactica" and POTA
>
> Really, what they do is no different than what the apes did, rejecting technology as destructive. And given what they've gone through (both apes and Battlestarrers) it's believable to me.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7dwOMjpaSc
>

Tonight we are saddened by the news of the passing of Ted Post, Director of Beneath. He was the last of the original POTA movie directors. Condolences to his family.

http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-ted-post-20130821,0,1653212.story?track=rss

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "jamesa1102" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>
>
> Tonight we are saddened by the news of the passing of Ted Post, Director
> of Beneath. He was the last of the original POTA movie directors.
> Condolences to his family.
>
> http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-ted-post-20130821,0,1653212.stor\
> y?track=rss
> <http://www.latimes.com/obituaries/la-me-ted-post-20130821,0,1653212.sto\
> ry?track=rss>
>

It's not a Battlestar Galactica versus Star Trek thing. This thread is about POTA themes and references in BSG which IS on topic and an appropriate subject of discussion. Most Star Trek threads tend to be Star Trek only discussions that are completely off topic with no relation to POTA.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> How come this thread just keeps on going, but mention "Star Trek" here and you're closed down immediately?
>

>
>
>
>
>
> John Chambers having done the original appliances for Mr. Spock's ears, as well as many other aspects and things in "Star Trek," is NO relation to POTA?
>
> OK, I'm glad you cleared that up.
>

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On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 9:52 PM BST johnroche49 wrote:

>I think it was Titan (if not, it was Panini !) and it did reprint the Dark Horse strip, including the movie adaptation.It had pics and posters and was actually a nice glossy package.It lasted 4,maybe 5, issues because the source material stank the place out.John, Scrolls.
>
>--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnpitt81" <johnpitt81@...> wrote:
>>
>> Can anybody please give me some info. about the 2001 UK POTA weekly or fortnightly comic? It was about the Tim Burton movie, but I don't know who published it or how many issues there were. It may have reprinted the strips from the USA Dark Horse comic books? Can anyone help? Cheers, John Pitt.
>>
>
>

Happy friday! A new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now online. Thanks to everyone who contributed.

To read the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: https://pota.ediaarchive.com/LFTL.htm.

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Post was a good director but not in the league of Franklin Schaffner who was a great director. One of Post's best work was a SF film from 1970 starring James Franciscus, but it wasn't Beneath. It was a TV movie called 'Night Slaves': http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066140/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> It's called intellectual honesty, as opposed to the dishonesty of blind love. It's just the facts. Great directors make great movies. What great movie did Ted Post ever make? The answer: nothing. He was a good journeyman director, mostly in TV, but not a great filmmaker.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> But who was considered a great director when they actually made a POTA movie? J. Lee Thompson, Jacobs' first choice to direct the original. He had done "The Guns of Navarone" and "Cape Fear" (the only movie remade by Martin Scorsese, a great director no matter how you slice it). Schaffner was mostly a TV director when he did "Apes". The other one would be Tim Burton, whose best films were behind him when he did POTA2001. Some might laugh at calling him a great director but at the time of his POTA, based on the movies he had done and the hope he would continue to evolve, he could be considered in that category. And Thompson and Burton wound up doing arguably the worst POTA movies, "Battle" and POTA2001. So I guess POTA thrives on new talent.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "johnpitt81" <johnpitt81@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know where I could get hold of a copy of the 300 page POTA graphic novel " MARVEL COLLECTION " from online? It's like trying to find the Holy Grail, so ANY suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated! Cheers, John Pitt.
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> Here's a good article about Ted Post. GO TELL THE SPARTANS is probably his best film, but how many here have seen it? I barely remember it, even though I saw it in a theatre when it originally came out. MAGNUM FORCE is probably my favorite movie that Ted Post directed, but it looks like it wasn't all that pleasant for Post and that Clint Eastwood interfered with it a lot -- and in many ways it plays like a big, dumb Clint Eastwood movie --, and I guess Ted Post wasn't that thrilled with working with horses again either by the time he did BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES.
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/25/movies/ted-post-director-for-film-and-television-dies-at-95.htmlnl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130825&_r=0
>

>>It's called intellectual honesty, as opposed to the dishonesty of

Let's play nice guys. Remember, debate the issue, not the person.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
>
> The simple answer here would be that a "great" movie would be up to the
> interpretation of the individual viewer as opposed to one person making
> carte blanche statements of fact based solely on their own opinion. To
> dismiss someone else's opinion of a particular film, director, etc as
> "blind love" just because you yourself don't care for it is the
> definition of megalomania- especially when you try to qualify said
> opinion with "Intellectual honesty" and "It's just the facts".
>
> Chris L.
>

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I was going through some old magazines the the other day and found that I had Issue #41 of "The Monster Times" from May 1975.  I had no idea why I had this, and then found that I had saved this for a column on Page 21 on why the POTA TV series failed.  These are very astute observations in my opinion, especially for a magazine of this type.  See if you agree:

"PLANET OF THE APES seems to be everywhere these days.  Toys, games, books, comics, movies, posters, you name it; the apes have entered just about every medium, and profitably at that.  Every medium that is, except television.  When PLANET OF THE APES entered that, too, it died after less than half a season.  The question is: Why?  The answer is the basis of this article.

In this ape-watchers opinion, there are three main reasons why the PLANET OF THE APES TV series failed.  One, the apes were much too "human".  Two, the scripts were sub-par.  Three, the series didn't make use of the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES films.  Let's consider them in order.

In the majority of the APES movies, the apes were realistcally fearsome.  They were decidedly NOT human.  Oh, they had a few emotions similar to humans, but, for the most part, they were foreign...alien, if you will.  They were basically cold, cunning,intelligent, and non-sympathetic towards humans, exhibiting very few emotions at all towards them, other than hate and scorn.  They were not the equals of humans.  The apes were, quite simply, the superior species.

On the TV show, this changed.  Many of the apes became foolish.  They displayed envy and jealousy towards the humans and towards other apes, which was unthinkable in the films.  The apes appeared whimsical, comical, and the humans on the TV show could trick them, outwit them and otherwise make monkeys of them.  Apes actually argued with and bargained with humans, again something you rarely saw in the films.  The whole apes series was based on the concept of apes being superior to Man and this, I think, was the reason for its great popularity.  On the TV show, the concept was destroyed.

Now, the the scripts.  Almost from the very start they lacked the power, the appeal, the realism so evident n the film series.  You felt kind of lost with the TV show, not knowing why apes were the masters and humans the slaves.  You didn't understand why this place, this planet, was.  So many important points were either lost or overlooked in the TV scripts.  The dialogue was generally lousy, the plots usually poor, and the characters that the scripts featured were usually flat and unrealistic.

Finally, and, I think, most important to the demise of the TV series, was the lack of use of what I call the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES concept.  What do I mean by shock effects?  Well, for example, the discovery of the Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach by Charlton Heston in the first APES film.  Or the discovery of what at first resembles an abandonded tunnel or mine shaft, but turns out to be a major 20th century subway depot like Grand Central or Times Square Station (in the second film, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES).  Or a full shot of the ruins of a once-great human metropolis like Manhattan nestled on the ape planet.  These effects gave you something to identify with.  They brought home, with great power, the feeling that something like this could happen in the future.  That the evolutionary process could get screwed up and reversed.  That there most definitely is a chance that man could blow everything he had in some stupid war and that his future could lie as slave to other creatures on this planet.  These effects chilled you and stunned you and left you with a raw feeling of what could happen if we are not careful.  To my knowledge, such shock effects were used only twice on the TV series (in poor fashion, I might add), and their absense left you feeling that the show was phony, contrived and, to put it plainly, dumb.

Well, that's about it.  The series folded because of poor scripts, "human" apes and a lack of shock effects.  Maybe the public wasn't ready for the show, either, but I doubt it.   The popularity of the phenomenon is too strong and too widespread.  Perhaps that's it!  Could it be that the APES reign is coming to an end? - Don Fioto."

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mmuse@... wrote:
>
>
> I was going through some old magazines the the other day and found that
> I had Issue #41 of "The Monster Times" from May 1975. I had no idea why
> I had this, and then found that I had saved this for a column on Page 21
> on why the POTA TV series failed. These are very astute observations in
> my opinion, especially for a magazine of this type. See if you agree:
>
> "PLANET OF THE APES seems to be everywhere these days. Toys, games,
> books, comics, movies, posters, you name it; the apes have entered just
> about every medium, and profitably at that. Every medium that is,
> except television. When PLANET OF THE APES entered that, too, it died
> after less than half a season. The question is: Why? The answer is the
> basis of this article.
>
> In this ape-watchers opinion, there are three main reasons why the
> PLANET OF THE APES TV series failed. One, the apes were much too
> "human". Two, the scripts were sub-par. Three, the series didn't make
> use of the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES films. Let's
> consider them in order.
>
> In the majority of the APES movies, the apes were realistcally fearsome.
> They were decidedly NOT human. Oh, they had a few emotions similar to
> humans, but, for the most part, they were foreign...alien, if you will.
> They were basically cold, cunning,intelligent, and non-sympathetic
> towards humans, exhibiting very few emotions at all towards them, other
> than hate and scorn. They were not the equals of humans. The apes
> were, quite simply, the superior species.
>
> On the TV show, this changed. Many of the apes became foolish. They
> displayed envy and jealousy towards the humans and towards other apes,
> which was unthinkable in the films. The apes appeared whimsical,
> comical, and the humans on the TV show could trick them, outwit them and
> otherwise make monkeys of them. Apes actually argued with and bargained
> with humans, again something you rarely saw in the films. The whole
> apes series was based on the concept of apes being superior to Man and
> this, I think, was the reason for its great popularity. On the TV show,
> the concept was destroyed.
>
> Now, the the scripts. Almost from the very start they lacked the power,
> the appeal, the realism so evident n the film series. You felt kind of
> lost with the TV show, not knowing why apes were the masters and humans
> the slaves. You didn't understand why this place, this planet, was. So
> many important points were either lost or overlooked in the TV scripts.
> The dialogue was generally lousy, the plots usually poor, and the
> characters that the scripts featured were usually flat and unrealistic.
>
> Finally, and, I think, most important to the demise of the TV series,
> was the lack of use of what I call the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF
> THE APES concept. What do I mean by shock effects? Well, for example,
> the discovery of the Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach by Charlton
> Heston in the first APES film. Or the discovery of what at first
> resembles an abandonded tunnel or mine shaft, but turns out to be a
> major 20th century subway depot like Grand Central or Times Square
> Station (in the second film, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES). Or a full
> shot of the ruins of a once-great human metropolis like Manhattan
> nestled on the ape planet. These effects gave you something to identify
> with. They brought home, with great power, the feeling that something
> like this could happen in the future. That the evolutionary process
> could get screwed up and reversed. That there most definitely is a
> chance that man could blow everything he had in some stupid war and that
> his future could lie as slave to other creatures on this planet. These
> effects chilled you and stunned you and left you with a raw feeling of
> what could happen if we are not careful. To my knowledge, such shock
> effects were used only twice on the TV series (in poor fashion, I might
> add), and their absense left you feeling that the show was phony,
> contrived and, to put it plainly, dumb.
>
> Well, that's about it. The series folded because of poor scripts,
> "human" apes and a lack of shock effects. Maybe the public wasn't ready
> for the show, either, but I doubt it. The popularity of the phenomenon
> is too strong and too widespread. Perhaps that's it! Could it be that
> the APES reign is coming to an end? - Don Fioto."
>

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, mmuse@... wrote:
>
>
> I was going through some old magazines the the other day and found that
> I had Issue #41 of "The Monster Times" from May 1975. I had no idea why
> I had this, and then found that I had saved this for a column on Page 21
> on why the POTA TV series failed. These are very astute observations in
> my opinion, especially for a magazine of this type. See if you agree:
>
> "PLANET OF THE APES seems to be everywhere these days. Toys, games,
> books, comics, movies, posters, you name it; the apes have entered just
> about every medium, and profitably at that. Every medium that is,
> except television. When PLANET OF THE APES entered that, too, it died
> after less than half a season. The question is: Why? The answer is the
> basis of this article.
>
> In this ape-watchers opinion, there are three main reasons why the
> PLANET OF THE APES TV series failed. One, the apes were much too
> "human". Two, the scripts were sub-par. Three, the series didn't make
> use of the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES films. Let's
> consider them in order.
>
> In the majority of the APES movies, the apes were realistcally fearsome.
> They were decidedly NOT human. Oh, they had a few emotions similar to
> humans, but, for the most part, they were foreign...alien, if you will.
> They were basically cold, cunning,intelligent, and non-sympathetic
> towards humans, exhibiting very few emotions at all towards them, other
> than hate and scorn. They were not the equals of humans. The apes
> were, quite simply, the superior species.
>
> On the TV show, this changed. Many of the apes became foolish. They
> displayed envy and jealousy towards the humans and towards other apes,
> which was unthinkable in the films. The apes appeared whimsical,
> comical, and the humans on the TV show could trick them, outwit them and
> otherwise make monkeys of them. Apes actually argued with and bargained
> with humans, again something you rarely saw in the films. The whole
> apes series was based on the concept of apes being superior to Man and
> this, I think, was the reason for its great popularity. On the TV show,
> the concept was destroyed.
>
> Now, the the scripts. Almost from the very start they lacked the power,
> the appeal, the realism so evident n the film series. You felt kind of
> lost with the TV show, not knowing why apes were the masters and humans
> the slaves. You didn't understand why this place, this planet, was. So
> many important points were either lost or overlooked in the TV scripts.
> The dialogue was generally lousy, the plots usually poor, and the
> characters that the scripts featured were usually flat and unrealistic.
>
> Finally, and, I think, most important to the demise of the TV series,
> was the lack of use of what I call the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF
> THE APES concept. What do I mean by shock effects? Well, for example,
> the discovery of the Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach by Charlton
> Heston in the first APES film. Or the discovery of what at first
> resembles an abandonded tunnel or mine shaft, but turns out to be a
> major 20th century subway depot like Grand Central or Times Square
> Station (in the second film, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES). Or a full
> shot of the ruins of a once-great human metropolis like Manhattan
> nestled on the ape planet. These effects gave you something to identify
> with. They brought home, with great power, the feeling that something
> like this could happen in the future. That the evolutionary process
> could get screwed up and reversed. That there most definitely is a
> chance that man could blow everything he had in some stupid war and that
> his future could lie as slave to other creatures on this planet. These
> effects chilled you and stunned you and left you with a raw feeling of
> what could happen if we are not careful. To my knowledge, such shock
> effects were used only twice on the TV series (in poor fashion, I might
> add), and their absense left you feeling that the show was phony,
> contrived and, to put it plainly, dumb.
>
> Well, that's about it. The series folded because of poor scripts,
> "human" apes and a lack of shock effects. Maybe the public wasn't ready
> for the show, either, but I doubt it. The popularity of the phenomenon
> is too strong and too widespread. Perhaps that's it! Could it be that
> the APES reign is coming to an end? - Don Fioto."
>

The series was originally scheduled for Tuesdays at 8PM and then switched to to Fridays. The question is if the series would have done any better airing against Happy Days.

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> The main reason the TV series failed was because CBS thought it couldn't fail and put it into a killer time slot, trying to knock off the NBC comedy duo of "Sanford & Son" and "Chico and the Man."
>
> It was all CBS's fault, but the show wasn't any worse than the Irwin Allen crap the studio had been producing for years.
>
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@... wrote:
>
>
> The main reason the TV series failed was because CBS thought it couldn't fail and put it into a killer time slot, trying to knock off the NBC comedy duo of "Sanford & Son" and "Chico and the Man."
>
> It was all CBS's fault, but the show wasn't any worse than the Irwin Allen crap the studio had been producing for years.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mmuse <mmuse@...>
> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 6:44 pm
> Subject: [pota] Why the POTA TV Series Failed
>
>
>
>
>
> I was going through some old magazines the the other day and found that I had Issue #41 of "The Monster Times" from May 1975. I had no idea why I had this, and then found that I had saved this for a column on Page 21 on why the POTA TV series failed. These are very astute observations in my opinion, especially for a magazine of this type. See if you agree:
> "PLANET OF THE APES seems to be everywhere these days. Toys, games, books, comics, movies, posters, you name it; the apes have entered just about every medium, and profitably at that. Every medium that is, except television. When PLANET OF THE APES entered that, too, it died after less than half a season. The question is: Why? The answer is the basis of this article.
> In this ape-watchers opinion, there are three main reasons why the PLANET OF THE APES TV series failed. One, the apes were much too "human". Two, the scripts were sub-par. Three, the series didn't make use of the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES films. Let's consider them in order.
> In the majority of the APES movies, the apes were realistcally fearsome. They were decidedly NOT human. Oh, they had a few emotions similar to humans, but, for the most part, they were foreign...alien, if you will. They were basically cold, cunning,intelligent, and non-sympathetic towards humans, exhibiting very few emotions at all towards them, other than hate and scorn. They were not the equals of humans. The apes were, quite simply, the superior species.
> On the TV show, this changed. Many of the apes became foolish. They displayed envy and jealousy towards the humans and towards other apes, which was unthinkable in the films. The apes appeared whimsical, comical, and the humans on the TV show could trick them, outwit them and otherwise make monkeys of them. Apes actually argued with and bargained with humans, again something you rarely saw in the films. The whole apes series was based on the concept of apes being superior to Man and this, I think, was the reason for its great popularity. On the TV show, the concept was destroyed.
> Now, the the scripts. Almost from the very start they lacked the power, the appeal, the realism so evident n the film series. You felt kind of lost with the TV show, not knowing why apes were the masters and humans the slaves. You didn't understand why this place, this planet, was. So many important points were either lost or overlooked in the TV scripts. The dialogue was generally lousy, the plots usually poor, and the characters that the scripts featured were usually flat and unrealistic.
> Finally, and, I think, most important to the demise of the TV series, was the lack of use of what I call the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES concept. What do I mean by shock effects? Well, for example, the discovery of the Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach by Charlton Heston in the first APES film. Or the discovery of what at first resembles an abandonded tunnel or mine shaft, but turns out to be a major 20th century subway depot like Grand Central or Times Square Station (in the second film, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES). Or a full shot of the ruins of a once-great human metropolis like Manhattan nestled on the ape planet. These effects gave you something to identify with. They brought home, with great power, the feeling that something like this could happen in the future. That the evolutionary process could get screw ed up and reversed. That there most definitely is a chance that man could blow everything he had in some stupid war and that his future could lie as slave to other creatures on this planet. These effects chilled you and stunned you and left you with a raw feeling of what could happen if we are not careful. To my knowledge, such shock effects were used only twice on the TV series (in poor fashion, I might add), and their absense left you feeling that the show was phony, contrived and, to put it plainly, dumb.
> Well, that's about it. The series folded because of poor scripts, "human" apes and a lack of shock effects. Maybe the public wasn't ready for the show, either, but I doubt it. The popularity of the phenomenon is too strong and too widespread. Perhaps that's it! Could it be that the APES reign is coming to an end? - Don Fioto."
>

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
>
> Some of the gorillas were less than intellectuals but then so are many people. The gorillas in the movies weren't geniuses either.
> Many of the ape characters in the TV show were smart: Galen, Zauis, even the gorilla Aboro. I thought the "brain washing" line was pretty funny, considering they'd never heard that term before. There WAS some good writing on the show. I think people overstate it's defects. I think Urko was a smart character in a lot of ways. He was just simple, like a lot of people are. I thought the characters were believable (including the humans) considering the simple society they had.
> Is "Of Mice & Men" stupid because the character Lenny isn't all that bright? I don't buy this argument that if characters are stupid, a story is stupid. Just as people complain about the Dodge/Tom Felton character in "Rise", I recognize people I've known in him. Angry, bitter, looking for someone (or some creature) to take it out on. A story would get boring fast if all characters were the same.
>
>
> From: mmuse@...
> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:45 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] Re: Why the POTA TV Series Failed
>
>
>
> Compared to what else was being shown on television, I agree that it was better than a lot of that. I was just extremely disappointed they they couldn't make it feel at least a little more like my all-time favorite movie, mostly for the reasons stated in the article. My main disappointment was his first point. Who decided to make the apes ignorant buffoons? "Brain washing means taking out the brain and rinsing it with cool water"...please! How did this race of beings end up running a planet? Watch the gorilla soldiers in PLANET, they walked and acted like normal male humans, no stooping over, no exaggerated movements. If they had changed this one area, I could definitely have lived with this series and been content. But, it's all water under the bridge. Que sera sera.
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > The main reason the TV series failed was because CBS thought it couldn't fail and put it into a killer time slot, trying to knock off the NBC comedy duo of "Sanford & Son" and "Chico and the Man."
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> > It was all CBS's fault, but the show wasn't any worse than the Irwin Allen crap the studio had been producing for years.
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mmuse <mmuse@>
> > To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Aug 27, 2013 6:44 pm
> > Subject: [pota] Why the POTA TV Series Failed
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> > I was going through some old magazines the the other day and found that I had Issue #41 of "The Monster Times" from May 1975. I had no idea why I had this, and then found that I had saved this for a column on Page 21 on why the POTA TV series failed. These are very astute observations in my opinion, especially for a magazine of this type. See if you agree:
> > "PLANET OF THE APES seems to be everywhere these days. Toys, games, books, comics, movies, posters, you name it; the apes have entered just about every medium, and profitably at that. Every medium that is, except television. When PLANET OF THE APES entered that, too, it died after less than half a season. The question is: Why? The answer is the basis of this article.
> > In this ape-watchers opinion, there are three main reasons why the PLANET OF THE APES TV series failed. One, the apes were much too "human". Two, the scripts were sub-par. Three, the series didn't make use of the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES films. Let's consider them in order.
> > In the majority of the APES movies, the apes were realistcally fearsome. They were decidedly NOT human. Oh, they had a few emotions similar to humans, but, for the most part, they were foreign...alien, if you will. They were basically cold, cunning,intelligent, and non-sympathetic towards humans, exhibiting very few emotions at all towards them, other than hate and scorn. They were not the equals of humans. The apes were, quite simply, the superior species.
> > On the TV show, this changed. Many of the apes became foolish. They displayed envy and jealousy towards the humans and towards other apes, which was unthinkable in the films. The apes appeared whimsical, comical, and the humans on the TV show could trick them, outwit them and otherwise make monkeys of them. Apes actually argued with and bargained with humans, again something you rarely saw in the films. The whole apes series was based on the concept of apes being superior to Man and this, I think, was the reason for its great popularity. On the TV show, the concept was destroyed.
> > Now, the the scripts. Almost from the very start they lacked the power, the appeal, the realism so evident n the film series. You felt kind of lost with the TV show, not knowing why apes were the masters and humans the slaves. You didn't understand why this place, this planet, was. So many important points were either lost or overlooked in the TV scripts. The dialogue was generally lousy, the plots usually poor, and the characters that the scripts featured were usually flat and unrealistic.
> > Finally, and, I think, most important to the demise of the TV series, was the lack of use of what I call the "shock effects" of the PLANET OF THE APES concept. What do I mean by shock effects? Well, for example, the discovery of the Statue of Liberty on a deserted beach by Charlton Heston in the first APES film. Or the discovery of what at first resembles an abandonded tunnel or mine shaft, but turns out to be a major 20th century subway depot like Grand Central or Times Square Station (in the second film, BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES). Or a full shot of the ruins of a once-great human metropolis like Manhattan nestled on the ape planet. These effects gave you something to identify with. They brought home, with great power, the feeling that something like this could happen in the future. That the evolutionary process could get screw ed up and reversed. That there most definitely is a chance that man could blow everything he had in some stupid war and that his future could lie as slave to other creatures on this planet. These effects chilled you and stunned you and left you with a raw feeling of what could happen if we are not careful. To my knowledge, such shock effects were used only twice on the TV series (in poor fashion, I might add), and their absense left you feeling that the show was phony, contrived and, to put it plainly, dumb.
> > Well, that's about it. The series folded because of poor scripts, "human" apes and a lack of shock effects. Maybe the public wasn't ready for the show, either, but I doubt it. The popularity of the phenomenon is too strong and too widespread. Perhaps that's it! Could it be that the APES reign is coming to an end? - Don Fioto."
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We made it to another Friday, so another LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now available. Thanks Glen, Dave and all who contributed.

To read the LESSON click on this link: https://pota.ediaarchive.com/LFTL.htm .

Have a great weekend Labor Day everyone!

Visit all the Group's special features including:

• The Group Website - Original POTA One Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and much, much more.
• Marvel Archive - Online archive of Marvel Comics' adaptations of the original POTA movies.
• Cornelius' Journal - The Memoirs of Dr. Cornelius.
• Ape City Chronicles - The First 75 years of Ape City's history, written by Virgil.
• The Illustrated Monkey Planet - Hungarian comic adaptation of Pierre Boulle's original novel.
• The Mendez Dynasty - Keepers of the Divine Bomb.
• The Ape - Ape City's Weekly Newspaper.
• POTA Locations - The places where the POTA films were shot.
• The Art Gallery - Works of POTA Art by our members.
• The Database Section - POTA info ranging from Characters to Comics.

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15 years ago today our little group was born, founded by Dave Pasco.

It was a great time for POTA fans Labor Day weekend in 1998.  It had been announced that James Cameron would be doing the long delayed remake. AMC was celebrating the 30th Anniversary by hosting a Labor Day weekend marathon of the original films with the premiere of the 'Behind' documentary.  

Through the ups and downs of the last 15 years, this group has endured. Now POTA is thriving with the success of RISE and the coming of DAWN next summer.

Of course, this group would not be what it is without its loyal members. To say thank you, two new videos have been added to the group website. The 'Sonny & Cher' POTA spoof from Rareties 3: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/SC.htm. Thanks to Hunter and Tim. And the Simian Flu PSA: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/PSA.htm.

Also, here's a special preview of a new weekly group feature coming in a few months, the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/HI.htm.

Happy birthday everyone!

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Yahoo has changed the format of groups. They also changed a lot of the functions that are available to owners and moderators. Most group owners have protested the changes. Any member can do so as well: http://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/suggestions/4276993-return-groups-format-to-prior-format-that-works- 

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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> That's a crappy way to celebrate the 15th anniversary. I bet Facebook is behind this. >: (
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> From: JamesA1102@...
> Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 6:20 AM
> To: pota@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [pota] RE: where's the group picture?
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> Yahoo has changed the format of groups. They also changed a lot of the functions that are available to owners and moderators. Most group owners have protested the changes. Any member can do so as well: http://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/209451-us-groups/suggestions/4276993-return-groups-format-to-prior-format-that-works-
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> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote:
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> How come when I go to the group site there's a generic picture? What happened to the groovy personalized ones?
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--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff K." <veetus@...> wrote:
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> "Dawn of the POTA" seems to be doing it right. According to actor Nick Thurston, who plays >CENSORED!<, they are going back for reshoots in October. Sounds like they are cutting it together, seeing what they need and getting it sooner rather than later. According to the director they moved the movie back from May to July because of all the FX it will need. This really does sound like a visual ape-stravaganza. Plus actually filming in 3D, a rarity.
> I think this is the big movie that "Apes" fans have been waiting for. POTA has been a monkey on Fox's back for so long, it sounds like they are rolling the dice and seeing one way or another how big the audience can get. Whether we like the script or not remains to be seen but production-wise I think this will be as good as it gets since the original made jaws drop 45 years ago. So it makes sense to get those reshoots done early and let the FX artisans do their magic.
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Good morning everybody! The new LESSON FROM THE LAWGIVER is now online. Thanks to everyone that contributed.

To read the LESSON click on the banner on the Yahoo Home page or use this link: https://pota.ediaarchive.com/LFTL.htm.

Hi PotA group members!

It's been a while since I posted the idea of a representative PotA Lego set.

Now I've built one: It's Cornelius' and Zira's home with Zaius coming to visit. :)

http://lego.cuusoo.com/ideas/view/37680

It would be great if you supported this and/or send me comments and ideas.

Registering is easy and Lego won't send you more than the one registering mail. You can register via twitter or facebook as well.

If this gets 10000 supporters, Lego considers producing a PotA lego set.

There's a BBC Sherlock project as well which got 2000 supporters in the past two days. So finding a fan group is the key to success. :]

It would be great to hear from you all!

Listy Dave

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