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Group: pota Message: 73354 From: Michael Norwitz Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Wikipedia refuses to take down photo on grounds that the monkey in t
Group: pota Message: 73355 From: Tim Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73356 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73357 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73358 From: haristas Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73359 From: haristas Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73360 From: valwp Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73361 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: Wikipedia refuses to take down photo on grounds that the monkey
Group: pota Message: 73362 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics
Group: pota Message: 73363 From: mlccougar Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73364 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: History of NuPOTA
Group: pota Message: 73365 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73366 From: haristas Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: History of NuPOTA
Group: pota Message: 73367 From: haristas Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73368 From: haristas Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: DAWN's domestic
Group: pota Message: 73369 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN's domestic
Group: pota Message: 73370 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN's domestic
Group: pota Message: 73371 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73372 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: History of NuPOTA
Group: pota Message: 73373 From: mlccougar Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73374 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/9/2014
Subject: Jeff Corey was born on this day in 1914, 8/10/2014, 12:00 am
Group: pota Message: 73375 From: mlccougar Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73376 From: James Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 73377 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73378 From: haristas Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
Group: pota Message: 73379 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Dawn of $ half a billion
Group: pota Message: 73380 From: haristas Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: Evans goes ape, man!
Group: pota Message: 73381 From: William Burge Date: 8/10/2014
Subject: kim hunter photos
Group: pota Message: 73382 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/11/2014
Subject: Re: Dawn of $ half a billion
Group: pota Message: 73383 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2014
Subject: R.I.P. Apes fan Robin Williams
Group: pota Message: 73384 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/12/2014
Subject: Re: R.I.P. Apes fan Robin Williams
Group: pota Message: 73385 From: William Burge Date: 8/12/2014
Subject: roddy mcdowall photos
Group: pota Message: 73386 From: Taebokitti Date: 8/12/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
Group: pota Message: 73387 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2014
Subject: Buck Kartalian's Birthday, 8/13/2014, 12:00 am
Group: pota Message: 73388 From: James Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 73389 From: William Burge Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: rare planet items
Group: pota Message: 73390 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: $200 million
Group: pota Message: 73391 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/13/2014
Subject: Lou Wagner's Birthday, 8/14/2014, 12:00 am
Group: pota Message: 73392 From: William Burge Date: 8/14/2014
Subject: ape photos
Group: pota Message: 73393 From: William Burge Date: 8/14/2014
Subject: dawn drive in marquees
Group: pota Message: 73394 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
Group: pota Message: 73395 From: mlccougar Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] $200 million
Group: pota Message: 73396 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics
Group: pota Message: 73397 From: haristas Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
Group: pota Message: 73398 From: Dario Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
Group: pota Message: 73399 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Today
Group: pota Message: 73400 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
Group: pota Message: 73401 From: William Burge Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: rise marquees
Group: pota Message: 73402 From: haristas Date: 8/15/2014
Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
Group: pota Message: 73403 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: Neil deGrasse Tyson talks "Dawn"
Group: pota Message: 73404 From: William Burge Date: 8/16/2014
Subject: planet photos
Group: pota Message: 73405 From: William Burge Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: ape stuff
Group: pota Message: 73406 From: James Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 73407 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: "Dawn" cage$ "Godzilla"
Group: pota Message: 73408 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73409 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73410 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73411 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: "Dawn" hits China Aug. 29
Group: pota Message: 73412 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: "Dawn" hits China Aug. 29
Group: pota Message: 73413 From: George Taylor Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenues a
Group: pota Message: 73414 From: Dario Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73415 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Famous Monsters #275
Group: pota Message: 73416 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenu
Group: pota Message: 73417 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73418 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenu
Group: pota Message: 73419 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: more ape goodies
Group: pota Message: 73420 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73421 From: haristas Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73422 From: rominaespi Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: I visited a POTA film location!
Group: pota Message: 73423 From: haristas Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: I visited a POTA film location!
Group: pota Message: 73424 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73425 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenu
Group: pota Message: 73426 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73427 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: I visited a POTA film location!
Group: pota Message: 73428 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Prebootquel
Group: pota Message: 73429 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenu
Group: pota Message: 73430 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: rare planet 67 photo
Group: pota Message: 73431 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: old ape photos
Group: pota Message: 73432 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/18/2014
Subject: On this day in History, 8/19/2014, 12:00 am
Group: pota Message: 73433 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Matt Reeves on "Apes 3", "Star Wars 7" and fandom
Group: pota Message: 73434 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: World War D(awn)
Group: pota Message: 73435 From: haristas Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: World War D(awn)
Group: pota Message: 73436 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
Subject: Re: World War D(awn)
Group: pota Message: 73437 From: Ian Boucher Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73438 From: sparkytb2005 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Hello gents - nice to be back
Group: pota Message: 73439 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Digest Number 6524
Group: pota Message: 73440 From: mlccougar Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6524
Group: pota Message: 73441 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Hello gents - nice to be back
Group: pota Message: 73442 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Digest Number 6524
Group: pota Message: 73443 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Letterman
Group: pota Message: 73444 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: NECA Classic POTA
Group: pota Message: 73445 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
Group: pota Message: 73446 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Letterman
Group: pota Message: 73447 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Letterman
Group: pota Message: 73448 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2014
Subject: Re: Letterman
Group: pota Message: 73449 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: crawling over the web-crawler
Group: pota Message: 73450 From: William Burge Date: 8/21/2014
Subject: dr zaius
Group: pota Message: 73451 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Hasslein Institute of Temporal Physics
Group: pota Message: 73452 From: George Taylor Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: Apes can't copyright? (U.S. federal government ruling)...
Group: pota Message: 73453 From: William Burge Date: 8/22/2014
Subject: apes new york ad 1973


Group: pota Message: 73354 From: Michael Norwitz Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Wikipedia refuses to take down photo on grounds that the monkey in t
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Group: pota Message: 73355 From: Tim Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
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Also back then, filmmakers weren't as concerned with detail as we didn't have constant access or high definition. They probably thought no one would ever notice background stuff.
Tim

On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:16 AM, "mlccougar@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

No matter how you slice it, wherever there are background masks in the APES films, they're noticeable... From PLANET's scene where Taylor is being pelted by the ape onlookers (and that's not the only instance) to the Ursus speech in BENEATH (again, not the only instance) to the downright horrible gorilla in ESCAPE and back to pull-overs in CONQUEST and BATTLE, any ape that isn't made up with appliances sticks out like sore thumb... BENEATH is not the only film to suffer from their use... I do agree with you that they really should NOT have focused the camera on them in BENEATH, there's no disagreeing with that, but even in PLANET, they're highly noticeable even when a bit more in the background...

I'll have to look closer at the "neglected" city, I never really noticed (or paid attention anyway) to the stuff you brought up... Maybe it was lack of attention to detail, or maybe they just didn't give it any thought since the first film would have been filmed a year and a half earlier (they might not have remembered how it looked when it was all shiny and new...) I guess I never gave it any thought, I'm just glad the city was still standing at all so they were able to use it because it's quite apparent had it not been, it wouldn't have been rebuilt, at least not to the extent it was built in PLANET...






In a message dated 8/6/2014 10:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

My thoughts exactly, Ursus is an interesting character, but as you watch the speech, background masks everywhere.  Couldn't they at least place all the background masks IN THE BACKGROUND, not interspersed with the real appliance makeup.  And apparently all of the maintenance apes and groundskeepers in Ape City were fired because there are weeds and overgrowth everywhere , even on the bridge across the lake, and the three pine trees in town are now completely dead and still standing there, making it obvious that the crew just showed up on set and started filming, forget any attention to detail.

 

And another pet peeve, in PLANET, Zira is almost obsessed with finding out about Taylor and where he came from, yet when Brent shows up at her door, its like, oh, another speaking human astronaut, well, let me get him changed into human clothing I happen to keep in my spare bedroom, and get him out the door as soon as possible, I have a chocolate cake to get back to.  Lame.

 

I wouldn't call it hatred, more like extreme disappointment for what could have been.  ESCAPE is my favorite sequel, I don't really care for the others.




---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :


Unfortunately for nearly everything that could be enjoyed there's something that spoils it.  The Ursus' speech is a nice scene, but all the background masks and the neglected Ape Town set and stagnate lake water distract to the point of annoyance now and there were weather problems during production, so some shots are overcast, others not.  Also, James Franciscus delivering the line, "My God, it a city of apes!"  Lame.







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Group: pota Message: 73356 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
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While I agree that they weren't as concerned about looks back then and budget considerations took precedence, it must have looked as bad as it does today when it was projected on a large theater movie screen. Only TV audiences were spared the ugly details until home TVs caught up.

Dario


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Tim apefan23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Also back then, filmmakers weren't as concerned with detail as we didn't have constant access or high definition. They probably thought no one would ever notice background stuff.
Tim

On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:16 AM, "mlccougar@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

No matter how you slice it, wherever there are background masks in the APES films, they're noticeable... From PLANET's scene where Taylor is being pelted by the ape onlookers (and that's not the only instance) to the Ursus speech in BENEATH (again, not the only instance) to the downright horrible gorilla in ESCAPE and back to pull-overs in CONQUEST and BATTLE, any ape that isn't made up with appliances sticks out like sore thumb... BENEATH is not the only film to suffer from their use... I do agree with you that they really should NOT have focused the camera on them in BENEATH, there's no disagreeing with that, but even in PLANET, they're highly noticeable even when a bit more in the background...

I'll have to look closer at the "neglected" city, I never really noticed (or paid attention anyway) to the stuff you brought up... Maybe it was lack of attention to detail, or maybe they just didn't give it any thought since the first film would have been filmed a year and a half earlier (they might not have remembered how it looked when it was all shiny and new...) I guess I never gave it any thought, I'm just glad the city was still standing at all so they were able to use it because it's quite apparent had it not been, it wouldn't have been rebuilt, at least not to the extent it was built in PLANET...






In a message dated 8/6/2014 10:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

My thoughts exactly, Ursus is an interesting character, but as you watch the speech, background masks everywhere. Couldn't they at least place all the background masks IN THE BACKGROUND, not interspersed with the real appliance makeup. And apparently all of the maintenance apes and groundskeepers in Ape City were fired because there are weeds and overgrowth everywhere , even on the bridge across the lake, and the three pine trees in town are now completely dead and still standing there, making it obvious that the crew just showed up on set and started filming, forget any attention to detail.



And another pet peeve, in PLANET, Zira is almost obsessed with finding out about Taylor and where he came from, yet when Brent shows up at her door, its like, oh, another speaking human astronaut, well, let me get him changed into human clothing I happen to keep in my spare bedroom, and get him out the door as soon as possible, I have a chocolate cake to get back to. Lame.



I wouldn't call it hatred, more like extreme disappointment for what could have been. ESCAPE is my favorite sequel, I don't really care for the others.




---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :


Unfortunately for nearly everything that could be enjoyed there's something that spoils it. The Ursus' speech is a nice scene, but all the background masks and the neglected Ape Town set and stagnate lake water distract to the point of annoyance now and there were weather problems during production, so some shots are overcast, others not. Also, James Franciscus delivering the line, "My God, it a city of apes!" Lame.








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Group: pota Message: 73357 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: James Cameron's POTA
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  Here's an interview with Peter Hyams, who was going to collaborate with James Cameron on "Planet of the Apes" in the late '90's. Here's how I heard it went down: Oliver Stone was going to produce POTA but his interest flagged. By that time Cameron's pals Arnold Schwarzenegger and Stan Winston were involved and Cameron had a deal with Fox (as he still does) so Cameron agreed to produce. Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup). What I heard was Cameron owed Hyams a picture because they worked together on a comet picture ("Bright Angel Falling") that got cancelled because of the "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" movies. That was the rumor though obviously Cameron liked Hyams work ("2010") to get involved with him in the first place.
 
  I met Cameron when "Titanic" came out, which was the closest he came to doing POTA. He was going to produce it next and direct "Spiderman" (one of his faves since he was a kid). I think I met Cameron just as he was going to roll up his sleeves and work on it, so his story may have changed. In this interview Hyams says Cameron was going to direct POTA . That was not his plan when I talked to him but it may have been that Spidey was in such a legal tangle and POTA was ripe for the picking (since Fox owns it) that he may have changed his mind. As it happened, Cameron didn't direct a feature for another 12 years ("Avatar", which ironically made "Rise" possible). Later, Cameron commented that Fox didn't let him do POTA ("took their ball and went home" I think is how he described it). By that time Cameron was at the top of the worldwide box office charts and has remained there 16 years (and counting) so it's odd Fox wouldn't let him do it.
  This episode is ripe for exploration and this interview doesn't help much but it's good to hear from Hyams about it.
 
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Group: pota Message: 73358 From: haristas Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
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Honestly, I don't recall knowing there was any difference between the prosthetic makeups and the background masks back when I was a kid, even with BENEATH.  It used to be that you didn't see that many images from the movies other than the movies themselves.  On PLANET there was the Topps cards and the LP.  Other than what photos were published in magazines, that was it.  There's a photo on the back of the PLANET LP of some running apes, with the gorilla in front being an actor with a background mask on (it was later used for the CONQUEST poster and ad art).  I never thought about it other than it being just one of the apes.  When the movies came to TV is when I started noticing things, and even then not that much until home video and the ability to freeze-frame stuff.  That's both the blessing and curse of home video.
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 7, 2014 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Different questions and issues:

 
While I agree that they weren't as concerned about looks back then and budget considerations took precedence, it must have looked as bad as it does today when it was projected on a large theater movie screen. Only TV audiences were spared the ugly details until home TVs caught up.

Dario


On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Tim apefan23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 
Also back then, filmmakers weren't as concerned with detail as we didn't have constant access or high definition. They probably thought no one would ever notice background stuff.
Tim

On Aug 7, 2014, at 6:16 AM, "mlccougar@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
No matter how you slice it, wherever there are background masks in the APES films, they're noticeable... From PLANET's scene where Taylor is being pelted by the ape onlookers (and that's not the only instance) to the Ursus speech in BENEATH (again, not the only instance) to the downright horrible gorilla in ESCAPE and back to pull-overs in CONQUEST and BATTLE, any ape that isn't made up with appliances sticks out like sore thumb... BENEATH is not the only film to suffer from their use... I do agree with you that they really should NOT have focused the camera on them in BENEATH, there's no disagreeing with that, but even in PLANET, they're highly noticeable even when a bit more in the background...

I'll have to look closer at the "neglected" city, I never really noticed (or paid attention anyway) to the stuff you brought up... Maybe it was lack of attention to detail, or maybe they just didn't give it any thought since the first film would have been filmed a year and a half earlier (they might not have remembered how it looked when it was all shiny and new...) I guess I never gave it any thought, I'm just glad the city was still standing at all so they were able to use it because it's quite apparent had it not been, it wouldn't have been rebuilt, at least not to the extent it was built in PLANET...






In a message dated 8/6/2014 10:41:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

My thoughts exactly, Ursus is an interesting character, but as you watch the speech, background masks everywhere.  Couldn't they at least place all the background masks IN THE BACKGROUND, not interspersed with the real appliance makeup.  And apparently all of the maintenance apes and groundskeepers in Ape City were fired because there are weeds and overgrowth everywhere , even on the bridge across the lake, and the three pine trees in town are now completely dead and still standing there, making it obvious that the crew just showed up on set and started filming, forget any attention to detail.

 

And another pet peeve, in PLANET, Zira is almost obsessed with finding out about Taylor and where he came from, yet when Brent shows up at her door, its like, oh, another speaking human astronaut, well, let me get him changed into human clothing I happen to keep in my spare bedroom, and get him out the door as soon as possible, I have a chocolate cake to get back to.  Lame.

 

I wouldn't call it hatred, more like extreme disappointment for what could have been.  ESCAPE is my favorite sequel, I don't really care for the others.




---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :


Unfortunately for nearly everything that could be enjoyed there's something that spoils it.  The Ursus' speech is a nice scene, but all the background masks and the neglected Ape Town set and stagnate lake water distract to the point of annoyance now and there were weather problems during production, so some shots are overcast, others not.  Also, James Franciscus delivering the line, "My God, it a city of apes!"  Lame.

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Group: pota Message: 73359 From: haristas Date: 8/7/2014
Subject: Re: James Cameron's POTA
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Never cared much for Peter Hyams movies.  2010 and even CAPRICORN ONE, despite a great Jerry Goldsmith score, are fairly blah sci-fi movies, now barely discussed.
 
That Stan Winston test stuff really didn't impress either.  All and all, I'm glad nothing came of it, and it would of been really good if the Burton movie hadn't happened either.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 7, 2014 1:22 pm
Subject: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
  Here's an interview with Peter Hyams, who was going to collaborate with James Cameron on "Planet of the Apes" in the late '90's. Here's how I heard it went down: Oliver Stone was going to produce POTA but his interest flagged. By that time Cameron's pals Arnold Schwarzenegger and Stan Winston were involved and Cameron had a deal with Fox (as he still does) so Cameron agreed to produce. Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup). What I heard was Cameron owed Hyams a picture because they worked together on a comet picture ("Bright Angel Falling") that got cancelled because of the "Deep Impact" and "Armageddon" movies. That was the rumor though obviously Cameron liked Hyams work ("2010") to get involved with him in the first place.
 
  I met Cameron when "Titanic" came out, which was the closest he came to doing POTA. He was going to produce it next and direct "Spiderman" (one of his faves since he was a kid). I think I met Cameron just as he was going to roll up his sleeves and work on it, so his story may have changed. In this interview Hyams says Cameron was going to direct POTA . That was not his plan when I talked to him but it may have been that Spidey was in such a legal tangle and POTA was ripe for the picking (since Fox owns it) that he may have changed his mind. As it happened, Cameron didn't direct a feature for another 12 years ("Avatar", which ironically made "Rise" possible). Later, Cameron commented that Fox didn't let him do POTA ("took their ball and went home" I think is how he described it). By that time Cameron was at the top of the worldwide box office charts and has remained there 16 years (and counting) so it's odd Fox wouldn't let him do it.
  This episode is ripe for exploration and this interview doesn't help much but it's good to hear from Hyams about it.
 
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Group: pota Message: 73360 From: valwp Date: 8/8/2014
Subject: Re: Different questions and issues:
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for me, the least favorite sequel was Beneath. Two things: James F was okay as Brent, but he was no Taylor, who was, for me, larger than life. I thought some of Taylor's lines were a bit overwrought and overlong, but Chuck Heston delivered them in STYLE, while James ... did not, so much (to my mind). He did some mumbling and trying to come to terms with his situation, but honestly it was irritating. Plus I heartily disliked the whole mutant underground thing, so that blew it for me, though I was kinda pleased with the f*ck you, we all died ending.

my favorite sequel was Conquest - lots of Caesar (love Roddy in these movies and the show as well), and there's heavy issues handled fairly thoughtfully that made the movie really work.
side note: I was so impressed that I made up a poem and it was published in the school newspaper when I first saw it! ha!

Then comes Battle/Escape - close in terms of how much I enjoyed them.  Escape reminded me of Boulle's novel in reverse, apes in human society, and of course Cornelius and Zira are charmers, while Battle had the weighty struggle of making a new society work, which I liked, and also poor Cornelius' death was nice and dramatic, with Ceasar realizing how he'd been oppressing the humans. I also enjoyed the Lawgiver, venerable ape that he was. I'd say I liked Battle better than Escape, but for the cursed irradiated HUMANS. So I guess a tie there.
Kass

  
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/11015672/Wikipedia-refuses-to-delete-photo-as-monkey-owns-it.html"

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Group: pota Message: 73363 From: mlccougar Date: 8/8/2014
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.html.htmlWeren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).


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  I just posted those pics of Stan Winston's POTA test. But as far as I can tell the actual test hasn't seen the light of day. We're probably in for a long line of new POTA movies. "Dawn", Apes 3, Apes 4, Apes 5. Yeah, yeah. Apes 6, Apes 7, Apes 8. OK, enough. Apes 9, Apes 10. We get it! Apes 11. Shut up!
  They're going to need ideas for all those blu ray extras. How many times can they show a guy pushing a button and an ape appears on his screen? So I think they should do an extra recounting the early attempts to get POTA remade. Interview Oliver Stone , James Cameron, get the Stan Winston footage, interview Tim Burton (he should be in stocks being whipped; he might even like it). That's a pretty rich 10 year history and should be told. Just sayin'.
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Group: pota Message: 73365 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
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  You mean THESE?
 

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 

Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).


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Maybe that Jeff Bond book coming out in October will cover all of it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 11:50 am
Subject: [pota] History of NuPOTA

 
  I just posted those pics of Stan Winston's POTA test. But as far as I can tell the actual test hasn't seen the light of day. We're probably in for a long line of new POTA movies. "Dawn", Apes 3, Apes 4, Apes 5. Yeah, yeah. Apes 6, Apes 7, Apes 8. OK, enough. Apes 9, Apes 10. We get it! Apes 11. Shut up!
  They're going to need ideas for all those blu ray extras. How many times can they show a guy pushing a button and an ape appears on his screen? So I think they should do an extra recounting the early attempts to get POTA remade. Interview Oliver Stone , James Cameron, get the Stan Winston footage, interview Tim Burton (he should be in stocks being whipped; he might even like it). That's a pretty rich 10 year history and should be told. Just sayin'.
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Group: pota Message: 73367 From: haristas Date: 8/8/2014
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Here's something almost as good, starring Mini-Me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
  You mean THESE?
 

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).


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Group: pota Message: 73368 From: haristas Date: 8/8/2014
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$192,693,727
 
That's the domestic gross for DAWN as of August 6th.  So, do we think it'll do $200 Mill domestic before all is said and done?
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Group: pota Message: 73369 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/8/2014
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Not sure about other cities but around here (Ottawa, Montreal, Toronto) there are a few cinemas that cater to 2nd run movies, basically movies that are a few months past their premieres. The good news is a lot of people go to these to catch up on movies they missed first time around and also to pay cheaper prices. The bad news is because they are cheaper, the box office haul is proportionally smaller. But if most big cities have these (as I suspect they do), it might be just enough to put them over the cusp.

Dario


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 1:21 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

$192,693,727
That's the domestic gross for DAWN as of August 6th. So, do we think it'll do $200 Mill domestic before all is said and done?


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  "Dawn" will definitely do $200 million and probably pass "Godzilla" ($200 million) and Spidey ($202 million) and will wind up #6 for the summer (#7 if "Guardians of the Galaxy" holds up).

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 10:21 AM
Subject: [pota] DAWN's domestic

 

$192,693,727
 
That's the domestic gross for DAWN as of August 6th.  So, do we think it'll do $200 Mill domestic before all is said and done?

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  Thanx, that's cool. Winston also did "Congo". But not the same thing as an articulated ape.

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 9:13 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: James Cameron's POTA

 

Here's something almost as good, starring Mini-Me.
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 11:51 am
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
  You mean THESE?
 

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).


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Group: pota Message: 73372 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/8/2014
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  Probably it'll just pay lip service like every one else does.
  Tonight I will blow the lid off this story, telling everything I know about Nu.

Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 9:07 AM
Subject: [pota] Re: History of NuPOTA

 

Maybe that Jeff Bond book coming out in October will cover all of it?
 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 11:50 am
Subject: [pota] History of NuPOTA

 
  I just posted those pics of Stan Winston's POTA test. But as far as I can tell the actual test hasn't seen the light of day. We're probably in for a long line of new POTA movies. "Dawn", Apes 3, Apes 4, Apes 5. Yeah, yeah. Apes 6, Apes 7, Apes 8. OK, enough. Apes 9, Apes 10. We get it! Apes 11. Shut up!
  They're going to need ideas for all those blu ray extras. How many times can they show a guy pushing a button and an ape appears on his screen? So I think they should do an extra recounting the early attempts to get POTA remade. Interview Oliver Stone , James Cameron, get the Stan Winston footage, interview Tim Burton (he should be in stocks being whipped; he might even like it). That's a pretty rich 10 year history and should be told. Just sayin'.

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Group: pota Message: 73373 From: mlccougar Date: 8/9/2014
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* I like the novel and even the book and record version better than the film... I don't think the novel reads as "light" as the film, and the book and record adaption is good because Aldo isn't such a moron: He actually comes across as someone who could be a forced to be reckoned with...




In a message dated 8/8/2014 2:56:20 PM Central Daylight Time, valwp@...
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Battle had the weighty struggle of making a new society work, which I liked, and also poor Cornelius' death was nice and dramatic, with Ceasar realizing how he'd been oppressing the humans. I also enjoyed the Lawgiver, venerable ape that he was. I'd say I liked Battle better than Escape, but for the cursed irradiated HUMANS.


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Reminder from:   pota Yahoo Group
 
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Group: pota Message: 73375 From: mlccougar Date: 8/10/2014
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.html.htmlDoes anyone picture the new movies ever going the "Stan Winston route" or do you think they'll stick with CGI apes throughout their run? Wouldn't something like Stan was creating be more cost effective or do you think they'll get the CGI so streamlined cost won't be as much of an issue?


In a message dated 8/8/2014 10:51:25 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


You mean THESE?
 
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/7776


From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA




Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).





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The actor reprises his role as Caesar in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, the sequel to 2011's Rise. It meant a lot of research about the animals, which ...

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Group: pota Message: 73377 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2014
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  They'll stick with CGI. They didn't even go the Stan Winston route with POTA2001.

Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 

Does anyone picture the new movies ever going the "Stan Winston route" or do you think they'll stick with CGI apes throughout their run? Wouldn't something like Stan was creating be more cost effective or do you think they'll get the CGI so streamlined cost won't be as much of an issue?


In a message dated 8/8/2014 10:51:25 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


You mean THESE?
 
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/7776


From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA




Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).





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Group: pota Message: 73378 From: haristas Date: 8/10/2014
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They'll stick with CGI and it may be that which will limit how much more APES there will be, because of the cost and complexity of it.  Don't hold your breath for a POTA TV series.
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Aug 10, 2014 10:50 am
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
  They'll stick with CGI. They didn't even go the Stan Winston route with POTA2001.

Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA

 
Does anyone picture the new movies ever going the "Stan Winston route" or do you think they'll stick with CGI apes throughout their run? Wouldn't something like Stan was creating be more cost effective or do you think they'll get the CGI so streamlined cost won't be as much of an issue?


In a message dated 8/8/2014 10:51:25 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


You mean THESE?
 
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/7776


From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2014 4:33 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] James Cameron's POTA




Weren't there/aren't there some photos floating around out there showing Stan Winston's version of the apes?


In a message dated 8/7/2014 12:21:58 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Directors came and went, the closest was probably Chris Columbus who filmed the Stan Winston test (as mentioned in this article, Winston wanted to use facial animatronics instead of just makeup).





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Group: pota Message: 73379 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/10/2014
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  "Dawn of the POTA" passed the $500 million mark worldwide this week and bid adieu to Rise's total ($482 million). It's now at $504 million worldwide. Will it make it to the $700 million sweet spot that most of this summer's biggest reached? That remains to be seen. "Dawn" is pretty much everywhere now. It's got Japan in late September. Most importantly is China. I realize now that China isn't as hard to get into as I thought. "Rise" did $30 million there. This summer China graced X-Men with $116 million, Capt. America with $115 million, Godzilla with $77 million, Maleficent with $47 million and Transformers with $300 million. So I think "Dawn" will go there and the tally will be significant. But I see no release date yet.
  Domestically, "Dawn" is at $198 million (it took in $4 million this weekend, coming in at #9). It will pass the $200 million mark and say buh-bye to "Godzilla" ($200 million) and Spidey ($2002 million) but I doubt it will reach the $235 million "X-Men" made. So "Dawn" will be #6 for the summer, maybe #7 depending if "Guardians of the Galaxy" keeps it up.
  As for this weekend, "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" got audiences to "shell out" an estimated $65 million so "Guardians came in at #2 ($42 million). It doesn't join "Dawn" and Transformers as being the only movies this summer to be #1 for two weeks. Too bad, raccoon!
 
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Group: pota Message: 73380 From: haristas Date: 8/10/2014
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Not long ago I finally ordered some of the "Tarzan" TV show from the '60s, mostly to look at the guest stars, now mostly passed away.  Maurice Evans appeared on the show four times.  These screen captures are from the first episode he was in, "Basil of the Bulge," which was broadcast on NBC on February 10, 1967.  In the first two photos you'll see he had a familiar co-star from PLANET.  In the third picture you see him shaking hands with a chimp.  Here's what he had to say about it in his memoir "All This... And Evans Too!":
 
"I am often asked, 'Who is your favorite leading lady?'  To which there is only one reply -- 'Vicky, of course.'
 
'Vicky who?' they insist.
 
'Vicky, Tarzan's constant companion -- Cheeta, the chimpanzee.'  Clever, funny, loving, and obedient; and what's more, she couldn't talk back -- more than can be said of many a leading lady of my acquaintance."
 
 
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dear group,  here are some different photos of kim hunter in 1950 and 1967 and 1968 and 1971 enjoy from william
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Group: pota Message: 73382 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/11/2014
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I noticed that Dawn hasn't been released in Germany yet, either.   

I also noticed that Dawn has already approximately doubled Rise's box office revenues in Mexico, despite having only been released there a couple of weeks ago.   Perhaps Dawn will do particularly well in some other countries, too.
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Group: pota Message: 73383 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/11/2014
Subject: R.I.P. Apes fan Robin Williams
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  Terrible tragic news that Robin Williams probably took his own life. Reportedly he was an Apes fan who wanted to be in the new versions but beyond that he was one of my faves. R.I.P.
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Group: pota Message: 73384 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/12/2014
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Tragic. I'm still in shock.

Al

From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: [pota] R.I.P. Apes fan Robin Williams
Sent: Tue, Aug 12, 2014 3:16:18 AM

Terrible tragic news that Robin Williams probably took his own life. Reportedly he was an Apes fan who wanted to be in the new versions but beyond that he was one of my faves. R.I.P.
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Group: pota Message: 73385 From: William Burge Date: 8/12/2014
Subject: roddy mcdowall photos
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    dear group,  I  found some different roddy photos enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73386 From: Taebokitti Date: 8/12/2014
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    Conquest was the first POTA movie I saw and it drew me in. I was hooked on Caesar. Elaine


    -----Original Message-----
    From: valwp@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Fri, Aug 8, 2014 1:35 am
    Subject: [pota] Re: Different questions and issues:

     
    for me, the least favorite sequel was Beneath. Two things: James F was okay as Brent, but he was no Taylor, who was, for me, larger than life. I thought some of Taylor's lines were a bit overwrought and overlong, but Chuck Heston delivered them in STYLE, while James ... did not, so much (to my mind). He did some mumbling and trying to come to terms with his situation, but honestly it was irritating. Plus I heartily disliked the whole mutant underground thing, so that blew it for me, though I was kinda pleased with the f*ck you, we all died ending.

    my favorite sequel was Conquest - lots of Caesar (love Roddy in these movies and the show as well), and there's heavy issues handled fairly thoughtfully that made the movie really work.
    side note: I was so impressed that I made up a poem and it was published in the school newspaper when I first saw it! ha!

    Then comes Battle/Escape - close in terms of how much I enjoyed them.  Escape reminded me of Boulle's novel in reverse, apes in human society, and of course Cornelius and Zira are charmers, while Battle had the weighty struggle of making a new society work, which I liked, and also poor Cornelius' death was nice and dramatic, with Ceasar realizing how he'd been oppressing the humans. I also enjoyed the Lawgiver, venerable ape that he was. I'd say I liked Battle better than Escape, but for the cursed irradiated HUMANS. So I guess a tie there.
    Kass

      
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    Group: pota Message: 73387 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/12/2014
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    Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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    Google

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    Daily update ⋅ August 11, 2014

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    Jason Clarke: Non-ape actor of chimp revolution

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    ... the new Terminator film) that Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes director Matt Reeves had the confidence to cast him as the lead non-ape actor in his ...

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    Southland Tales: Planet of The Apes

    The LA Beat ⋅ Michael Essington

    It was about this time that my uncle Rick first introduced my brother and me to the Planet of The Apes . I loved the movies, and a few years later we ...

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    Geek Memories: Planet of the Apes!

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    I wasn't old enough (at least, by my parents' standards) to see any of the original Planet of the Apes movies in the theaters. Honestly, I don't even ...

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    Battle for the Planet of the Apes (1973) Is a Very Anti-Climatic End to the First Film Series

    Monster Movie Kid ⋅ rchamberlain21

    The film is a direct sequel to Conquest of the Planet of the Apes (1972), being set a little more than a decade later following a nuclear war.

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    Dawn Of The Planet Of The Apes Crosses $500 Million Worldwide

    boxofficeBUZ.com News ⋅ news@... (Box Office Buz)

    Surpassing the total of its predecessor, Matt Reeves' excellent Planet of the Apes sequel has hit a global box office milestone of half a billion dollars.

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    Group: pota Message: 73389 From: William Burge Date: 8/13/2014
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    Group: pota Message: 73390 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/13/2014
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      That's how much I just won in the lottery!!!
       No, that's how much "Dawn of the POTA" is about to earn domestically (U.S. and Canada). It's made $199,051,045 as of Tuesday, so it should turn the corner either today or tomorrow. What's the big deal? It's the vicinity of the biggest hits of the year. "Dawn" officially joins the big boys domestically. Observe:
     
      1. Capt. USA 2 - $260 m.
      2. LEGO - $258 m.
      3. Trans 4 - $243 m.
      4. Maleficent - $236 m.
      5. X-Men - $232 m.
      6. Spidey - $203 m.
      7. Godzilla - $200 m.
      8. Dawn - $199 m.
     
     So probably it will pass Godzilla and Spidey and go to it's final resting place. Did we ever think we'd live to see the day POTA would do better than Spiderman?
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    Group: pota Message: 73391 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/13/2014
    Subject: Lou Wagner's Birthday, 8/14/2014, 12:00 am
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    Title:   Lou Wagner's Birthday
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73392 From: William Burge Date: 8/14/2014
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    Group: pota Message: 73394 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
    Subject: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
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      "Dawn of the POTA" will probably take down "Spiderman" this weekend and then retire in the U.S. but it's hot & heavy elsewhere in the world with a few places left to open. But still, it's getting to be that time when we look forward to having our own copies on DVD or blu -ray. We WANT it! When do we GET it?!
      Well, I've taken that question into my lab and applied science. According to my calculations, it will arrive either Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. Observe:
     
      I took a random selection of big summer movies that have already announced their DVD release dates.
     
      Spidey 2- theaters: May 2nd; dvd: Aug. 19th . . . about 3 1/2 months between
      Godzilla- theaters: May 16; dvd: Sept. 16 . . . 4 months
      X-Men (Fox)- theaters: May 23; dvd: Oct. 14 . . . 4 2/3rds months
      Maleficent - theaters: May 30; dvd: Nov. 4 . . . 5 months
      Edge of Tomorrow - theaters: June 6; dvd: Oct. 7 . . . 4 months
     
     As you can see, it comes out to about 4 months-ish between theater and dvd release. "Dawn" was released July 11, so that would be mid- November. But taking a cue from the other Fox release "X-Men" I tacked on a couple weeks. But not too many. Christmas season pretty much kicks off after Thanxgiving and I'm sure Fox would want to be there, thus Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. You're welcome.
     
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    On Aug 13, 2014, at 4:53 PM, "'Jeff K.' veetus@... " wrote:





    That's how much I just won in the lottery!!!
      No, that's how much "Dawn of the POTA" is about to earn domestically (U.S. and Canada). It's made $199,051,045 as of Tuesday, so it should turn the corner either today or tomorrow. What's the big deal? It's the vicinity of the biggest hits of the year. "Dawn" officially joins the big boys domestically. Observe:
     
    1. Capt. USA 2 - $260 m.
      2. LEGO - $258 m.
      3. Trans 4 - $243 m.
      4. Maleficent - $236 m.
      5. X-Men - $232 m.
      6. Spidey - $203 m.
      7. Godzilla - $200 m.
      8. Dawn - $199 m.
     
    So probably it will pass Godzilla and Spidey and go to it's final resting place. Did we ever think we'd live to see the day POTA would do better than Spiderman?





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    Group: pota Message: 73397 From: haristas Date: 8/15/2014
    Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
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    "Dawn of the POTA" will probably take down "Spiderman" this weekend and then retire in the U.S. but it's hot & heavy elsewhere in the world with a few places left to open. But still, it's getting to be that time when we look forward to having our own copies on DVD or blu -ray. We WANT it! When do we GET it?!
      Well, I've taken that question into my lab and applied science. According to my calculations, it will arrive either Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. Observe:
     
      I took a random selection of big summer movies that have already announced their DVD release dates.
     
      Spidey 2- theaters: May 2nd; dvd: Aug. 19th . . . about 3 1/2 months between
      Godzilla- theaters: May 16; dvd: Sept. 16 . . . 4 months
      X-Men (Fox)- theaters: May 23; dvd: Oct. 14 . . . 4 2/3rds months
      Maleficent - theaters: May 30; dvd: Nov. 4 . . . 5 months
      Edge of Tomorrow - theaters: June 6; dvd: Oct. 7 . . . 4 months
     
     As you can see, it comes out to about 4 months-ish between theater and dvd release. "Dawn" was released July 11, so that would be mid- November. But taking a cue from the other Fox release "X-Men" I tacked on a couple weeks. But not too many. Christmas season pretty much kicks off after Thanxgiving and I'm sure Fox would want to be there, thus Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. You're welcome.
     
     
     
    December 9th.  That's my prediction.
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    Group: pota Message: 73398 From: Dario Date: 8/15/2014
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    I think the 9th is probably as close to X-Mas as they'd want to get. Later than that and they'd be losing a lot of X-Mas shoppers.

    Dario

    On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:50 AM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

     
    "Dawn of the POTA" will probably take down "Spiderman" this weekend and then retire in the U.S. but it's hot & heavy elsewhere in the world with a few places left to open. But still, it's getting to be that time when we look forward to having our own copies on DVD or blu -ray. We WANT it! When do we GET it?!
      Well, I've taken that question into my lab and applied science. According to my calculations, it will arrive either Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. Observe:
     
      I took a random selection of big summer movies that have already announced their DVD release dates.
     
      Spidey 2- theaters: May 2nd; dvd: Aug. 19th . . . about 3 1/2 months between
      Godzilla- theaters: May 16; dvd: Sept. 16 . . . 4 months
      X-Men (Fox)- theaters: May 23; dvd: Oct. 14 . . . 4 2/3rds months
      Maleficent - theaters: May 30; dvd: Nov. 4 . . . 5 months
      Edge of Tomorrow - theaters: June 6; dvd: Oct. 7 . . . 4 months
     
     As you can see, it comes out to about 4 months-ish between theater and dvd release. "Dawn" was released July 11, so that would be mid- November. But taking a cue from the other Fox release "X-Men" I tacked on a couple weeks. But not too many. Christmas season pretty much kicks off after Thanxgiving and I'm sure Fox would want to be there, thus Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. You're welcome.
     
     
     
    December 9th.  That's my prediction.

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    Group: pota Message: 73399 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
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      Thru Thursday "Dawn of the POTA" made $199, 912, 360 million. So TODAY, Friday, "Dawn" WILL turn the corner of $200 million domestic. How will YOU celebrate? "Dawn" made $ 4 million last weekend so I think it's a lock that it will pass "Godzilla" and Spidey this weekend. And then it will ride off into the sunset in the US. Unfortunately, "Guardians of the Galaxy" is at $197 million, so it will pass "Dawn" this weekend. You win some, you lose some. Probably "Dawn" will be # 7 for the summer. As for the year, depending how "The Hobbit" (guaranteed to pass "Dawn"), "Interstellar" and Moses (produced by the same people as POTA) do, "Dawn" will probably still be in the Top 10 for the year. Maybe # 8. Don't cry, that's pretty good.  : (
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    Group: pota Message: 73400 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/15/2014
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      "Rise" came out Dec. 13th. I know because I have a poster signed by the writers, but I'm not bragging (yes I am). "Dawn" came out almost a month before "Rise" so I think the 9th is too far. I stand by my dates, Nov. 25 or Dec. 2nd. Oh, you say I have to choose? What are you going to do, kick my ass? Oh, you are? I'd like to see that, stupid. But I'll say Nov. 25th. Thanxgiving just sounds right. People will be in stores buying turkeys (not that "Dawn" is a turkey).

    Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 11:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?

     

    I think the 9th is probably as close to X-Mas as they'd want to get. Later than that and they'd be losing a lot of X-Mas shoppers.

    Dario

    On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:50 AM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

     
    "Dawn of the POTA" will probably take down "Spiderman" this weekend and then retire in the U.S. but it's hot & heavy elsewhere in the world with a few places left to open. But still, it's getting to be that time when we look forward to having our own copies on DVD or blu -ray. We WANT it! When do we GET it?!
      Well, I've taken that question into my lab and applied science. According to my calculations, it will arrive either Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. Observe:
     
      I took a random selection of big summer movies that have already announced their DVD release dates.
     
      Spidey 2- theaters: May 2nd; dvd: Aug. 19th . . . about 3 1/2 months between
      Godzilla- theaters: May 16; dvd: Sept. 16 . . . 4 months
      X-Men (Fox)- theaters: May 23; dvd: Oct. 14 . . . 4 2/3rds months
      Maleficent - theaters: May 30; dvd: Nov. 4 . . . 5 months
      Edge of Tomorrow - theaters: June 6; dvd: Oct. 7 . . . 4 months
     
     As you can see, it comes out to about 4 months-ish between theater and dvd release. "Dawn" was released July 11, so that would be mid- November. But taking a cue from the other Fox release "X-Men" I tacked on a couple weeks. But not too many. Christmas season pretty much kicks off after Thanxgiving and I'm sure Fox would want to be there, thus Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. You're welcome.
     
     
     
    December 9th.  That's my prediction.

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    Group: pota Message: 73401 From: William Burge Date: 8/15/2014
    Subject: rise marquees
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    dear group,  I  found some rise marquees in the state of wisconsin --enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73402 From: haristas Date: 8/15/2014
    Subject: Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?
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    What are you going to do, kick my ass?
     
     
    You should say, Go Koba on my ass?
     
    And then stop mentioning asses, you silly.
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Fri, Aug 15, 2014 4:35 pm
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?

     
      "Rise" came out Dec. 13th. I know because I have a poster signed by the writers, but I'm not bragging (yes I am). "Dawn" came out almost a month before "Rise" so I think the 9th is too far. I stand by my dates, Nov. 25 or Dec. 2nd. Oh, you say I have to choose? What are you going to do, kick my ass? Oh, you are? I'd like to see that, stupid. But I'll say Nov. 25th. Thanxgiving just sounds right. People will be in stores buying turkeys (not that "Dawn" is a turkey).

    Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 11:38 AM
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Don't it make my brown apes blu?

     
    I think the 9th is probably as close to X-Mas as they'd want to get. Later than that and they'd be losing a lot of X-Mas shoppers.

    Dario

    On Aug 15, 2014, at 8:50 AM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     
     
    "Dawn of the POTA" will probably take down "Spiderman" this weekend and then retire in the U.S. but it's hot & heavy elsewhere in the world with a few places left to open. But still, it's getting to be that time when we look forward to having our own copies on DVD or blu -ray. We WANT it! When do we GET it?!
      Well, I've taken that question into my lab and applied science. According to my calculations, it will arrive either Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. Observe:
     
      I took a random selection of big summer movies that have already announced their DVD release dates.
     
      Spidey 2- theaters: May 2nd; dvd: Aug. 19th . . . about 3 1/2 months between
      Godzilla- theaters: May 16; dvd: Sept. 16 . . . 4 months
      X-Men (Fox)- theaters: May 23; dvd: Oct. 14 . . . 4 2/3rds months
      Maleficent - theaters: May 30; dvd: Nov. 4 . . . 5 months
      Edge of Tomorrow - theaters: June 6; dvd: Oct. 7 . . . 4 months
     
     As you can see, it comes out to about 4 months-ish between theater and dvd release. "Dawn" was released July 11, so that would be mid- November. But taking a cue from the other Fox release "X-Men" I tacked on a couple weeks. But not too many. Christmas season pretty much kicks off after Thanxgiving and I'm sure Fox would want to be there, thus Nov. 25th or Dec. 2nd. You're welcome.
     
     
     
    December 9th.  That's my prediction.
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    Group: pota Message: 73403 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/16/2014
    Subject: Neil deGrasse Tyson talks "Dawn"
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      Wow. The host of the great new "Cosmos" TV show talking about "Dawn of the POTA " for 40 minutes and interviewing Andy Serkis.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73404 From: William Burge Date: 8/16/2014
    Subject: planet photos
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    Group: pota Message: 73405 From: William Burge Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: ape stuff
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    dear group,  here are some great ape photos from planet and beneath and dawn enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73406 From: James Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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    Google

    "planet of the apes"

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    Dawn of the Planet of the Apes — Jaffa & Silver and Bomback

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    Rise of the Planet of the Apes was written by the husband and wife team of Rick Jaffa & Amanda Silver, and it was a masterclass in screenwriting, one ...

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    Despite a shrinking budget, the Planet of the Apes movies were still making money. By 1973 and after five films, it was clear that the theatrical part of ...

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    Group: pota Message: 73407 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: "Dawn" cage$ "Godzilla"
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      I guess the big box office news of the week is that "Dawn" passed "Godzilla" (both domestic and worldwide). "Dawn" will also take down Spidey on the domestic charts in a couple days but it hasn't happened yet. Also, despite coming out 3 weeks later, "Guardians of the Galaxy" has already eclipsed "Dawn" in the U.S. and will soon do so worldwide (it's at $419 m. ww). Note that "How To Train Your Dragon 2" had a big influx of dough and is now on Dawn's ass.
     
      Domestic (U.S. and Canada):
     
     1. Cap 2 - $260 m.
     2. LEGO - $258 m.
     3. Trans. 4 - $243 m.
     4. Maleficent - $237 m.
     5. X-Men - $232 m.
     6. Guardians - $222 m.
     7. Spidey - $203 m.
     8. Dawn - $202 m.
     9. Godzilla - $200 m.
    10. 22 Jump St. - $190 m.
     
     Worldwide:
     
     1. Trans. 4 - $1 billion
     2. X-Men - $744 m.
     3. Maleficent - $743 m.
     4. Cap 2 - $714 m.
     5. Spidey - $708 m.
     6. Dawn - $536 m.
     7. Dragon 2 - $535 m.
     8. Godzilla - $508 m.
     9. Rio 2 - $494 m.
    10. LEGO - $468 m.
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    Group: pota Message: 73408 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
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    Has anyone here yet read the DAWN novelization?  There's a comment at Amazon that makes me think it may be well worth reading:
     
    The same day that I finished listening to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: The Official Movie Novelization, the wife and I went to the theater to see it on the big screen. Boy was I disappointed with the movie. Don't get me wrong the movie was some fun eye candy, with ridiculous 3D animation that was out of this world. Yet the movie version left out so many, what I thought were, key items in the plot.
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    Group: pota Message: 73409 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: Re: DAWN novelization
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      I have it but haven't read it yet. I've heard other good comments about it (but people don't seem to like the prequel novel). Maybe it has some of the stuff that was cut from "Dawn" that Reeves sez will be on the blu-ray version.

    Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:02 AM
    Subject: [pota] DAWN novelization

     

    Has anyone here yet read the DAWN novelization?  There's a comment at Amazon that makes me think it may be well worth reading:
     
    The same day that I finished listening to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: The Official Movie Novelization, the wife and I went to the theater to see it on the big screen. Boy was I disappointed with the movie. Don't get me wrong the movie was some fun eye candy, with ridiculous 3D animation that was out of this world. Yet the movie version left out so many, what I thought were, key items in the plot.

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    Group: pota Message: 73410 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
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    I read the prequel novel and really didn't think it amounted to much.  I'd like to read the novelization but I suspect I'd only skip through it.  The last few chapters would really hold the only interest.
     
     
     
     
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    From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 2:15 pm
    Subject: Re: [pota] DAWN novelization

     
      I have it but haven't read it yet. I've heard other good comments about it (but people don't seem to like the prequel novel). Maybe it has some of the stuff that was cut from "Dawn" that Reeves sez will be on the blu-ray version.

    Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 10:02 AM
    Subject: [pota] DAWN novelization

     
    Has anyone here yet read the DAWN novelization?  There's a comment at Amazon that makes me think it may be well worth reading:
     
    The same day that I finished listening to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: The Official Movie Novelization, the wife and I went to the theater to see it on the big screen. Boy was I disappointed with the movie. Don't get me wrong the movie was some fun eye candy, with ridiculous 3D animation that was out of this world. Yet the movie version left out so many, what I thought were, key items in the plot.
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    Group: pota Message: 73411 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/17/2014
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      China is now the second biggest market in the world behind the U.S. and with the way things are going it will probably be #1 soon. Dig these numbers from China (get it? "Digging to China"? Never mind):
     
      "Transformers 4" - $300 million
      "X-Men 5" - $116 m.
      "Capt. 2" - $115 m.
      "Spidey" - $94 m.
      "Godzilla" - $77 m.
      "Maleficent" - $47 m.
      "Dragon 2" - $25 m. and climbing
     
      These are the kinds of box office additions that can make an ape a man. Looking at these numbers I could see "Dawn" in the middle between "Godzilla" and $100 million. $85, 90 million? Before "Transformers 4", the biggest hit of the year in China wuz "The Monkey King". Think about that!
     
      DAWN - - - - - CHINA - - - - - AUG. 29TH
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    Group: pota Message: 73412 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
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    I wonder if Fox was holding off on the China market to let the other movies get out of the way?  Maybe, but looking at what the other movies have done, I agree, it looks like the best DAWN can hope for is around $80 to $120 Million.  I think it might surprise and actually do $120 Mill or more.  We'll see.
     
     
     
     
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    From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sun, Aug 17, 2014 3:20 pm
    Subject: [pota] "Dawn" hits China Aug. 29

     
      China is now the second biggest market in the world behind the U.S. and with the way things are going it will probably be #1 soon. Dig these numbers from China (get it? "Digging to China"? Never mind):
     
      "Transformers 4" - $300 million
      "X-Men 5" - $116 m.
      "Capt. 2" - $115 m.
      "Spidey" - $94 m.
      "Godzilla" - $77 m.
      "Maleficent" - $47 m.
      "Dragon 2" - $25 m. and climbing
     
      These are the kinds of box office additions that can make an ape a man. Looking at these numbers I could see "Dawn" in the middle between "Godzilla" and $100 million. $85, 90 million? Before "Transformers 4", the biggest hit of the year in China wuz "The Monkey King". Think about that!
     
      DAWN - - - - - CHINA - - - - - AUG. 29TH
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    Group: pota Message: 73413 From: George Taylor Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenues a
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    Interestingly enough, Dawn's revenues in the USA still haven't reached the original's 1968 ones, adjusted for inflation (but not even adjusting for 3D-related revenue increases that also favor Dawn):

    http://www.westegg.com/inflation/

    "What cost $32,589,624 in 1968 would cost $215,338,129.23in 2013."

    The USA's population was considerably smaller in 1968, too, so the movie occupied the minds of a greater percentage of folks...(and had fewer distractions to compete with such as DVD players).  Still, considering how sequels typically make just 2/3's of what originals do, we've got a lot to be thankful for regarding Dawn's success.

    Cheers from Houston,   :-)


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    Group: pota Message: 73414 From: Dario Date: 8/17/2014
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    Bought it and will start reading it the next few days. 

    Dario


    On Aug 17, 2014, at 1:02 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

     

    Has anyone here yet read the DAWN novelization?  There's a comment at Amazon that makes me think it may be well worth reading:
     
    The same day that I finished listening to Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: The Official Movie Novelization, the wife and I went to the theater to see it on the big screen. Boy was I disappointed with the movie. Don't get me wrong the movie was some fun eye candy, with ridiculous 3D animation that was out of this world. Yet the movie version left out so many, what I thought were, key items in the plot.

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    Group: pota Message: 73415 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: Famous Monsters #275
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    Issue #275 (Direct Sales edition) of Famous Monsters features a "lost" interview with Roddy from 1998 circa the time of the AMC Anniversary marathon. To pre-answer the inevitable "Well, (fill in the name) already posted that info." or "I posted that MONTHS ago- where were you?", the answer would be spending time in the real world and not every waking second online worried about such things... :-) Chris L.
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    Group: pota Message: 73416 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
    Subject: Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenu
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    Interestingly enough, Dawn's revenues in the USA still haven't reached the original's 1968 ones, adjusted for inflation (but not even adjusting for 3D-related revenue increases that also favor Dawn):


    "What cost $32,589,624 in 1968 would cost $215,338,129.23in 2013."

    The USA's population was considerably smaller in 1968, too, so the movie occupied the minds of a greater percentage of folks...(and had fewer distractions to compete with such as DVD players).  Still, considering how sequels typically make just 2/3's of what originals do, we've got a lot to be thankful for regarding Dawn's success.

    Cheers from Houston,   :-)
     
     
     
    The adjusted for inflation grosses to all the APES films are available on this page:
     
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm
     
     
    It's amazing how huge the original PLANET OF THE APES is, but I believe that in 1968 it grossed only $15 Million, though that's still close to $100 Million today.  The $32 Million figure is, I believe, how much it has grossed from 1968 to the present and includes sales to TV and from home video.  What we still don't have figures for is what PLANET has done worldwide.  Only the accountants at Fox know for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised that, adjusted for inflation, just PLANET alone has made the studio close to Half-a-Billion $$$! 
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    Group: pota Message: 73417 From: haristas Date: 8/17/2014
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    Bought it and will start reading it the next few days. 

    Dario
     
     
     
    Keep us posted on anything interesting that's not in the movie (and of course mark it as a spoiler).  I probably won't get the book for a while, but I plan to eventually before the Blu-ray comes out.
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    Group: pota Message: 73418 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/18/2014
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    Thanks for that terrific link and helpful insight.   :-)So Marky Mark's POTA (2001) will remain the highest grossing Apes movie, adjusted for inflation?   The benefit of nearly 3 decades of the franchise's being off of the movie screen helped that version, as there was pent-up demand.  At the same time there wasn't a public habit of attending Apes movies though, so there was an uphill battle to fight (which Fox won).       What comes after Dawn's sequel though?   More sequels?   R.I.P. (like Stargate perhaps should have done)?   Time will tell...  
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    Group: pota Message: 73419 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
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    I read the novel and I didn't find that much insight into the movie. In fact, I kind of like Firestorm a little better, but that's just me. Their were a couple scenes not in the movie and some of the details of other scenes differ.  
    SPOILER........................
    Their was a scene with Koba sitting in the mayor's office, and Rocket confronts him about his son's death.
    Their was an ending scene with navel ship sailing into the bay.
    After Malcolm and Ellie finds wounded Caesar, they notice one of the vehicles gone, so it is assumed that Kemp and Foster somehow made it to it drove away. In the movie Caesar and Malcolm's family return to two vehicles, so I assume Kemp and Foster die in the hands of angry apes while fleeing the burning ape colony.
    When Malcolm takes Caesar into the city he barrels through a checkpoint to avoid answering questions about Caesar. The guard runs after the vehicle crying "wait, the city is unsafe," and then Malcolm's sees him being beaten by apes in the rear view mirror.
    Koba likes to drink whiskey in the novel.
    Caesar tears his stitches during his skyscraper battle with Koba. 
    When Carver shoots ash in the first part of the movie, the scene takes place by the river. (The apes were fishing, and Carver was filling up his canteen when they encounter.) In the move, they encounter on a trail in the woods.
    In the book, when the apes first encounter the human colony, Caesar has Ash handover the book sack to Malcolm. Malcolm's amazed by caesar's sense of diplomacy, combining a ferocious show of strength with a good will gesture with the added nuance of deputizing the wounded ape to make that gesture. In the movie it was Blue Eyes that hands over the satchel. 
    Before this, there was a scene when the ape army first marches in toward the human colony, they wake up a sleeping guard (deep in his dreams) near fort point and tie him up. The apes are set back by the hateful anti ape graffiti that was drawn on the walls during the simian flu outbreak.
    That is the stuff I could think up off the bat. I'm sure their might be more. 
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    Group: pota Message: 73421 From: haristas Date: 8/18/2014
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    Thanks.  Not sure now that I want to bother reading it, though I may still look for a cheap copy for reference, though a script might be better.
     
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
    From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 12:37 pm
    Subject: [pota] Re: DAWN novelization

     
    I read the novel and I didn't find that much insight into the movie. In fact, I kind of like Firestorm a little better, but that's just me. Their were a couple scenes not in the movie and some of the details of other scenes differ.  
    SPOILER........................
    Their was a scene with Koba sitting in the mayor's office, and Rocket confronts him about his son's death.
    Their was an ending scene with navel ship sailing into the bay.
    After Malcolm and Ellie finds wounded Caesar, they notice one of the vehicles gone, so it is assumed that Kemp and Foster somehow made it to it drove away. In the movie Caesar and Malcolm's family return to two vehicles, so I assume Kemp and Foster die in the hands of angry apes while fleeing the burning ape colony.
    When Malcolm takes Caesar into the city he barrels through a checkpoint to avoid answering questions about Caesar. The guard runs after the vehicle crying "wait, the city is unsafe," and then Malcolm's sees him being beaten by apes in the rear view mirror.
    Koba likes to drink whiskey in the novel.
    Caesar tears his stitches during his skyscraper battle with Koba. 
    When Carver shoots ash in the first part of the movie, the scene takes place by the river. (The apes were fishing, and Carver was filling up his canteen when they encounter.) In the move, they encounter on a trail in the woods.
    In the book, when the apes first encounter the human colony, Caesar has Ash handover the book sack to Malcolm. Malcolm's amazed by caesar's sense of diplomacy, combining a ferocious show of strength with a good will gesture with the added nuance of deputizing the wounded ape to make that gesture. In the movie it was Blue Eyes that hands over the satchel. 
    Before this, there was a scene when the ape army first marches in toward the human colony, they wake up a sleeping guard (deep in his dreams) near fort point and tie him up. The apes are set back by the hateful anti ape graffiti that was drawn on the walls during the simian flu outbreak.
    That is the stuff I could think up off the bat. I'm sure their might be more. 
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    Group: pota Message: 73422 From: rominaespi Date: 8/18/2014
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    Hi guys,

    Last week I went to Point Dume, where they shot the last scene for POTA.  I did my own interpretation of Taylor's speech... haha!  I shot a video while I was there.  I hope you guys like it. This is my favorite movie!

    Here's the video: THE END OF THE PLANET OF THE APES! 「ろみな」

    Please check it out! Enjoy (: 

     

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    Group: pota Message: 73423 From: haristas Date: 8/18/2014
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    Well, that was cute, but not to sound too much like a POTA nerd (though of course I will), but you're in the wrong location.
     
    That side of Point Dune was where the high shot of Taylor riding down the beach was done when he sees the torch.  They shot it from atop the cliff, with mockups of the torch and Liberty's crown on a scaffolding built in front of the cliff.  The final scene with Heston on his knees on the beach was shot around the other side of the cliff where the cave set was built.
     
    Did you get around the point and see that area?  Also, why is an old movie like PLANET OF THE APES your favorite movie and how long has it been your favorite?  How old is your dad and did he see it when it first came out?
     
    Rory
     
     
     
     
     
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    Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 1:30 pm
    Subject: [pota] I visited a POTA film location!

     
    Hi guys,
    Last week I went to Point Dume, where they shot the last scene for POTA.  I did my own interpretation of Taylor's speech... haha!  I shot a video while I was there.  I hope you guys like it. This is my favorite movie!
    Please check it out! Enjoy (: 
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73424 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
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    I would very much like to read the script, and maybe some of the treatment outlines that lead up to the script. When I was an extra on the set, there were times I felt like they were writing the script on the spot.
    I kind of like to see the script for Rise also.
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    Group: pota Message: 73425 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/18/2014
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    POTA2001 is the highest grossing in America. But worldwide, "Rise" and "Dawn" tore it a new one. Though Mr. Wahlberg still won thanx to "Transformers 4".

    Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:34 PM
    Subject: [pota] Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenues adjusted for inflation...

     

    Thanks for that terrific link and helpful insight.   :-)So Marky Mark's POTA (2001) will remain the highest grossing Apes movie, adjusted for inflation?   The benefit of nearly 3 decades of the franchise's being off of the movie screen helped that version, as there was pent-up demand.  At the same time there wasn't a public habit of attending Apes movies though, so there was an uphill battle to fight (which Fox won).       What comes after Dawn's sequel though?   More sequels?   R.I.P. (like Stargate perhaps should have done)?   Time will tell...  

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    Group: pota Message: 73426 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
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    I know you disagree, but I liked Firestorm, and thought it had a lot about the relationship between the ape and human species. I'm not sure, but it looks like the Dawn novelization has two different cover versions. Mine has a Caesar face where he is looking mad and wearing war paint, (like the early movie poster,) but I saw an ad where the book cover showed a "softer" Caesar face, and he was not wearing the face paint. I was a little disappointed with the story from the San Diego comic con comic, but I will still get the Dawn comic line when it comes out in November.
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    Group: pota Message: 73427 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
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    Funny. I always wanted to go to Point Dume. Even though the Taylor in the second video looks cuter, I like the first video cause the guy in the back ground is walking kind of ape like. Both of you didn't get Taylor's speech rite. 
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    Group: pota Message: 73428 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/18/2014
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    I was watching the Simpsons, and when one character said that the new "radioactive man" was not a sequel but a reboot, the other character responded by saying that the movie nullified everything in the previous movie, so therefor it was a "deboot!"

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    Group: pota Message: 73429 From: Alex Ruiz Date: 8/18/2014
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    I think it's only fair that if you ad inflation cost to ticket prices, you also have to do the same for production cost. That being said, no matter how you cut or slice it, Dawn will be the highest profit maker for FOX in the apes franchise.

    As for Transformers, I really did enjoy it. Thought it was a lot better than the last 3 put together. I'm happy for Mark.

    Al

    From: 'Jeff K.' veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
    To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>;
    Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenues adjusted for inflation...
    Sent: Mon, Aug 18, 2014 1:57:00 PM

    POTA2001 is the highest grossing in America. But worldwide, "Rise" and "Dawn" tore it a new one. Though Mr. Wahlberg still won thanx to "Transformers 4".

    Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 8:34 PM
    Subject: [pota] Re: Dawn still hasn't caught the 1968 POTA in U.S. box office revenues adjusted for inflation...

    Thanks for that terrific link and helpful insight. :-)So Marky Mark's POTA (2001) will remain the highest grossing Apes movie, adjusted for inflation? The benefit of nearly 3 decades of the franchise's being off of the movie screen helped that version, as there was pent-up demand. At the same time there wasn't a public habit of attending Apes movies though, so there was an uphill battle to fight (which Fox won). What comes after Dawn's sequel though? More sequels? R.I.P. (like Stargate perhaps should have done)? Time will tell...

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    Group: pota Message: 73430 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
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    dear group,  Here is a rare 1967  planet photo  with a gorilla guard standing with foxs studio  head richard d. zanuck  that greenlighted the project to get filmed  enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73431 From: William Burge Date: 8/18/2014
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    dear group,   here are some old ape photos  enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73432 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 8/18/2014
    Subject: On this day in History, 8/19/2014, 12:00 am
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    Reminder from:   pota Yahoo Group
     
    Title:   On this day in History
     
    Date:   Tuesday August 19, 2014
    Time:   12:00 am - 12:00 am (GMT-05.00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
    Notes:   1980: Astronauts' Virdon, Burke and Jones spacecraft encounters a radiation storm as it approaches Alpha Centari. All contact has been lost since.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73433 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
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      Here's a fun interview snippet where "Dawn" director Matt Reeves talks about the next Apes movie (Caesar4sure), his pal J.J. Abrams' "Star Wars" movie and growing up an Apes (and "Star Wars") fan.
     
     
     While we're at it, here's Keri ("Dawn") Russell talking about maybe being in her former boss J. J.'s "Star Wars" (and still might, as well as Apes 3). Another fun interview and fun is good.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73434 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
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      When "Dawn of the POTA" opened the box office prognosticators predicted it would do about as well as last year's zombie movie "World War Z". I winced at that since WWZ looked like a mediocre movie (I haven't seen it) and certainly didn't have the great reviews and state of the art visuals that "Dawn" had (but "Dawn" didn't have that dreamy Brad Pitt). Shirley, they can't be serious. Hey Shirley, I'm talking to you.
      But darned if it wasn't true. Those box officers know what they're talking about. This week "Dawn" will catch up to WWZ both domestic (at this writing, both are at $202 million) and worldwide (D = $536 m. , Z = $540 m.). "Dawn" will slightly overachieve, and it still has China and Japan (WWZ didn't go to China). Plus, "Dawn" looks better since the tide wuz lower for all boats this summer. But it's pretty much the case.
      What gives? Is POTA's image problem that it's seen as a "monster movie"? Or is there a deeper meaning? Maybe that's one for the philosophers.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73435 From: haristas Date: 8/19/2014
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    I saw WWZ.  It was OK but nothing great.  I don't begrudge the money it's made, but there really wasn't much more to it than the usual zombie thing.
     
    I'm not sure what the complaint is here.  Are you wondering why DAWN hasn't done TRANSFORMERS numbers?  That's not hard to figure out.  TRANSFORMERS is a more established franchise and it's also dumb.  Never underestimate the appeal of the dumb for mass audiences.  The APES franchise asks a bit more of its audience and it doesn't exactly leave people walking out of the theatre with a smile on their faces and a desire to go to Toys-R-Us, well.... not unless your name is Krueger.
     
     
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
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    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 12:17 pm
    Subject: [pota] World War D(awn)

     
      When "Dawn of the POTA" opened the box office prognosticators predicted it would do about as well as last year's zombie movie "World War Z". I winced at that since WWZ looked like a mediocre movie (I haven't seen it) and certainly didn't have the great reviews and state of the art visuals that "Dawn" had (but "Dawn" didn't have that dreamy Brad Pitt). Shirley, they can't be serious. Hey Shirley, I'm talking to you.
      But darned if it wasn't true. Those box officers know what they're talking about. This week "Dawn" will catch up to WWZ both domestic (at this writing, both are at $202 million) and worldwide (D = $536 m. , Z = $540 m.). "Dawn" will slightly overachieve, and it still has China and Japan (WWZ didn't go to China). Plus, "Dawn" looks better since the tide wuz lower for all boats this summer. But it's pretty much the case.
      What gives? Is POTA's image problem that it's seen as a "monster movie"? Or is there a deeper meaning? Maybe that's one for the philosophers.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73436 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/19/2014
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      Just sayin'... Box officers put WWZ and "Dawn" together and this is the week the apes get past that.
      In fact I did think it would pass "Transformers", mister! It had everything "Avatar" had (similar story and FX; maybe not quite the budget or happy ending). It had a previous movie people dug. Good trailers, hard working actors promoting it. It could'a! "Dawn" did everything right.
      I guess the question is: Is there something about POTA that turns some people off no matter how good it is? There's been 3 modern ape movies using top talent and the best current FX. If people want dumb more of them could've went to POTA2001, but they didn't. Is there a ceiling to the popularity of talking apes? I know, that's unanswerable. But it's starting to look that way. All 3 made the same amount, more or less, depending on inflation and increase in foreign tickets.

    Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 10:06 AM
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    I saw WWZ.  It was OK but nothing great.  I don't begrudge the money it's made, but there really wasn't much more to it than the usual zombie thing.
     
    I'm not sure what the complaint is here.  Are you wondering why DAWN hasn't done TRANSFORMERS numbers?  That's not hard to figure out.  TRANSFORMERS is a more established franchise and it's also dumb.  Never underestimate the appeal of the dumb for mass audiences.  The APES franchise asks a bit more of its audience and it doesn't exactly leave people walking out of the theatre with a smile on their faces and a desire to go to Toys-R-Us, well.... not unless your name is Krueger.
     
     
     
     
     
    -----Original Message-----
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    To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Tue, Aug 19, 2014 12:17 pm
    Subject: [pota] World War D(awn)

     
      When "Dawn of the POTA" opened the box office prognosticators predicted it would do about as well as last year's zombie movie "World War Z". I winced at that since WWZ looked like a mediocre movie (I haven't seen it) and certainly didn't have the great reviews and state of the art visuals that "Dawn" had (but "Dawn" didn't have that dreamy Brad Pitt). Shirley, they can't be serious. Hey Shirley, I'm talking to you.
      But darned if it wasn't true. Those box officers know what they're talking about. This week "Dawn" will catch up to WWZ both domestic (at this writing, both are at $202 million) and worldwide (D = $536 m. , Z = $540 m.). "Dawn" will slightly overachieve, and it still has China and Japan (WWZ didn't go to China). Plus, "Dawn" looks better since the tide wuz lower for all boats this summer. But it's pretty much the case.
      What gives? Is POTA's image problem that it's seen as a "monster movie"? Or is there a deeper meaning? Maybe that's one for the philosophers.
     

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    Group: pota Message: 73437 From: Ian Boucher Date: 8/20/2014
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    Very interesting!


    On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:25 PM, monkeymermaid65@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

    I know you disagree, but I liked Firestorm, and thought it had a lot about the relationship between the ape and human species. I'm not sure, but it looks like the Dawn novelization has two different cover versions. Mine has a Caesar face where he is looking mad and wearing war paint, (like the early movie poster,) but I saw an ad where the book cover showed a "softer" Caesar face, and he was not wearing the face paint. I was a little disappointed with the story from the San Diego comic con comic, but I will still get the Dawn comic line when it comes out in November.


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    Group: pota Message: 73438 From: sparkytb2005 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Mark TB in London saying hello after a long hiatus.  Nice to see some old names still popping up here.

    M.

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    Group: pota Message: 73439 From: Terry Hoknes Date: 8/20/2014
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    Dawn is now the #1 biggest POTA movie ever made
    It has made the most money in the USA and worldwide then any other POTA movie previously

    It so far is likely to rank as the #7 movie of the year
    so i dont think its suffering at all
    its a true success


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    Group: pota Message: 73440 From: mlccougar Date: 8/20/2014
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    .html.htmlThe other day, didn't Jeff say that pota2001 was still the highest grossing one in the US? Don't get me wrong, I hope the new one tops it, but we'll see...

    (In the same post, Jeff did say that WORLDWIDE, "Rise" and "Dawn" topped it...)



    In a message dated 8/20/2014 5:46:59 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

    Dawn is now the #1 biggest POTA movie ever made It has made the most money in the USA and worldwide then any other POTA movie previously


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    Group: pota Message: 73441 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
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      Welcome back, Sparky!

    Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:23 PM
    Subject: [pota] Hello gents - nice to be back

     

    Mark TB in London saying hello after a long hiatus.  Nice to see some old names still popping up here.

    M.

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    Group: pota Message: 73442 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
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      That is true but the worldwide market wasn't as sophisticated in 2001. How well POTA2001 would do worldwide if it wuz released today is anyone's guess.
      POTA2001 made half it's money in the US:
      By the time it's done, "Dawn" will have made about 1/3rd it's money in the U.S. and the foreign box office will just keep growing. But with inflation POTA2001 is the most successful POTA movie in America. Of course in 2001 selling movies in America was more sophisticated than it wuz in 1968. It's interesting to see how the movie market has grow in POTA history.

    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:25 AM
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    The other day, didn't Jeff say that pota2001 was still the highest grossing one in the US? Don't get me wrong, I hope the new one tops it, but we'll see...

    (In the same post, Jeff did say that WORLDWIDE, "Rise" and "Dawn" topped it...)



    In a message dated 8/20/2014 5:46:59 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

    Dawn is now the #1 biggest POTA movie ever made It has made the most money in the USA and worldwide then any other POTA movie previously


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    Group: pota Message: 73443 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Not sure if anyone else saw it, but I happened to catch David Letterman last Thursday with Judy Greer as a guest.  I think she was on there to promote her new comedy on FX, "Married", but they actually talked about DAWN for the entire segment, along with the fact that her husband is a huge POTA fan and their wedding included POTA elements.  It was definitely worth staying up for.

     

    --Mike

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    Group: pota Message: 73444 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Michael Crawford has posted his review of the NECA Classic POTA series figures.  Nice photos. 

     

    http://www.mwctoys.com/REVIEW_082014a.htm

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    Group: pota Message: 73445 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Reading the wikia entries about Dawn I realize the part of the two followers of Koba, Gray and Stone, differ in the book then they did in the movie. 
    SPOILER..........................
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    ETC......




    In the novel, Gray is a loyalist to Koba, and he receives a whole floor to himself underneath Koba in the skyscraper tower that Koba takes shelter in. In the movie, Gray is a loyalist to Caesar, and he is imprisoned in the bus with Maurice and Rocket.
    This confused me a little bit. The book names Gray and Stone as the ones who joined Koba in the scouting party that follows the Humans after the incident that injures Ash, and also, later, to help Koba overthrow Caesar and frame the humans. In the movie, it was two chimps that helped Koba. Wiki has Gray and Stone listed as a "gorilla" and a chimpanzee. I must have missed the line that describes Gray as a gorilla, because I always pictured him as a chimp. (I saw the movie before I read the book). I thought the gorilla in the movie's bus prison was "Luca," another gorilla character in the book. I don't remember any of these characters being mentioned by name in the movie. (On second thought maybe the name Stone was mentioned. I saw this movie several times, but apparently I have Alzheimer's or something.) In the movie Stone dies in the raid on the human colony. I assume he died at this point in the novel also, but a lot of the battle is told from Dreyfus's viewpoint, and the only ape he has a name for is "One Eye." Towards the end, when Caesar climbs the tower, he notices Stone missing and wondered what happened to him. 

    More things noted about the novel from wiki:
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    • When Dreyfus is looking through his photos, a year for the commencement of the Simian Flu is suggested: "And there was what he had come for: Maddie and their boys - Edward and John. Standing on the viewing platform at the top of the viewing platform, they smiled at the camera in that distant year of 2012, when the Simian Flu was just a public health concern and nobody had imagined what the next ten years would hold." This suggests that Dawntakes place in 2022. However, this contradicts the Dawn website's claim that it is 2026, as well as the Before The Dawn  shorts by Motherboard, which contain text saying that Simian Flu began in 2011. Since this is a novelization and not the film itself, 2012 may not be the actual year in which Rise is intended to take place. It should be noted that the film itself contains a picture of Edward and John, who appear to be younger than their ages given in Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: Firestorm - The Official Movie Prequel (14 and 12). Furthermore, there is no apparent evidence that the picture was taken on the Coit Tower.
    • During Caesar's final confrontation with Koba, it is written that it has been five days since Koba killed the bear. It has actually been more than five days.
    • The events of Dawn of the Planet of the Apes: Firestorm - The Official Movie Prequel  are alluded to in the novel; Dreyfus remembers mercenaries being sent to the Muir Woods, which ended up getting set on fire, causing people to believe that the apes were killed.
    • In the beginning of the novel, gibbons are mentioned among the types of apes in the village. They do not appear in the film itself, nor have they ever appeared in a Planet of the Apes film.
    • A female chimp who alerts Caesar about Cornelia being in labor is named Sparrow.
    • Malcolm remembers that the city burned for over a year after the Simian Flu outbreak.
    • Dreyfus says, "We spent four years fighting the virus, and another four fighting each other as the city came apart." A similar line was included in the trailer for the film.
    • In the novelization, Malcolm is the one who expresses the belief that Alexander is safer with him than without him. In the film, Alexander is the one who expresses this belief.
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    The first tidbit might be of interest to those who debate timelines.
     I was a human colony extra, and I remember specifically the part of Gary Oldman's (Dreyfus) speech about four years of pandemic followed by four years of riots. But then it has already been noted how good my memory is.
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73446 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/20/2014
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      I think that was a repeat. I heard Dave shut down his show last week in honor of his pal Robin Williams.
      Probably this show?
     
      Judy's getting some of the big movies. She'll be in the next "Jurassic Park" and she just got "Ant-Man".

    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:53 PM
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    Not sure if anyone else saw it, but I happened to catch David Letterman last Thursday with Judy Greer as a guest.  I think she was on there to promote her new comedy on FX, "Married", but they actually talked about DAWN for the entire segment, along with the fact that her husband is a huge POTA fan and their wedding included POTA elements.  It was definitely worth staying up for.

     

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    Group: pota Message: 73447 From: mikem3978 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Yes, that was it.  I did seem odd that he would bring up DAWN after being out this long. 


    ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote :

      I think that was a repeat. I heard Dave shut down his show last week in honor of his pal Robin Williams.
      Probably this show?
     
      Judy's getting some of the big movies. She'll be in the next "Jurassic Park" and she just got "Ant-Man".

    Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 12:53 PM
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    Not sure if anyone else saw it, but I happened to catch David Letterman last Thursday with Judy Greer as a guest.  I think she was on there to promote her new comedy on FX, "Married", but they actually talked about DAWN for the entire segment, along with the fact that her husband is a huge POTA fan and their wedding included POTA elements.  It was definitely worth staying up for.

     

    --Mike

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    Group: pota Message: 73448 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/20/2014
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    Last week's shows were repeats but it was a long schedule hiatus week and had nothing to do with the death of Robin Williams.
    ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote :

      I think that was a repeat. I heard Dave shut down his show last week in honor of his pal Robin Williams.
      Probably this show?
     
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73449 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/21/2014
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      Domestically, "Dawn" is down to $200,000 + a day and fading fast. But it should pass Spidey today or tomorrow. God bless Ape-merica!
     
      Wednesday:
      Spidey - $202, 853,933
      Dawn - $202,668,551
     
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    Group: pota Message: 73450 From: William Burge Date: 8/21/2014
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    dear group,  I  found a rare autograph maurice evans photo as dr zaius . enjoy from william
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    Group: pota Message: 73451 From: jamesa1102 Date: 8/22/2014
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    Good Morning! A new installment of the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE OF TEMPORAL PHYSICS now online. Thanks to all who contributed.

     

    To read the HASSLEIN INSTITUTE click the banner on the group's Tahoo! home page or this link: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/HI.htm.

     

    Have a great weekend everyone!

     

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    Group: pota Message: 73452 From: George Taylor Date: 8/22/2014
    Subject: Apes can't copyright? (U.S. federal government ruling)...
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    The U.S. federal government recently ruled that apes lack the legal right to copyright:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/monkey-selfie-cant-be-copyrighted-u-s-regulators-confirm-n186296

    Anyhow have a good weekend, from Houston...

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    Group: pota Message: 73453 From: William Burge Date: 8/22/2014
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    dear group,  I  found an ape ad from the new york times  -- the theatres that showed the ape films are listed on the bottom of the ad- came out the summer of 1973 .  kinda neat to see how many theatres in new york played the films-- what wonderful memories. enjoy from william
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