|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75762 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 3/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: APE MARATHON |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75763 |
From: James |
Date: 3/2/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75764 |
From: James |
Date: 3/4/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75765 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/5/2017 |
| Subject: Muscle Apes Men |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75766 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: APE MARATHON |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75767 |
From: James |
Date: 3/10/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet apes |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75768 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75769 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75770 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75771 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75772 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75773 |
From: James |
Date: 3/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75774 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/19/2017 |
| Subject: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75775 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75776 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75777 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 3/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75778 |
From: James |
Date: 3/23/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75779 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 3/25/2017 |
| Subject: Mort Abrahams was born on this day in 1916, Monday, 26 March 2018 |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75780 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: (no subject) |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75781 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75782 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Music for WAR |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75783 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75784 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: new POTA trailer this week? |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75785 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75786 |
From: James |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75787 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75788 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75789 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Updates on Hunter's Planet of the Apes Archive |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75790 |
From: valwp |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Simian Scrolls #19 hard copy |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75791 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian Scrolls #19 hard copy |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75792 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/29/2017 |
| Subject: new Apes trailer Thursday |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75793 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75794 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75795 |
From: Saulo Adami |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75796 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: The Late Show |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75797 |
From: James |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75798 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75799 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: The Late Show |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75800 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75801 |
From: goatbusters |
Date: 4/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75802 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Group Website Update |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75803 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75804 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75805 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75806 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75807 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75808 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75809 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75810 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75811 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75812 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75813 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75814 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75815 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75816 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75817 |
From: Stanley, Mark |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Group Website Update |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75818 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75819 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75820 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75821 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75822 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75823 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75824 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75825 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75826 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75827 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75828 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75829 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75830 |
From: James |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75831 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75832 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75833 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75834 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75835 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75836 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75837 |
From: peter_karsten63 |
Date: 4/7/2017 |
| Subject: Fan-made Comics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75838 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fan-made Comics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75839 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75840 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75841 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75842 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75843 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75844 |
From: James |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75845 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75846 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75847 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75848 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75849 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75850 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75851 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75852 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: O'Callaghan interview |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75853 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Don Rickles RIP |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75854 |
From: peter_karsten63 |
Date: 4/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fan-made Comics |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75855 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75856 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75857 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75858 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75859 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75860 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75861 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
|
| Group: pota |
Message: 75762 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 3/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: APE MARATHON |
.html.html
Hopefully we'll see something on War for the Planet of the Apes during commercial breaks. Possibly a new trailer or something.
Al On Wednesday, March 1, 2017, 10:15 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Funny that twenty years ago this would have been big news, back when things on AMC were fully letterboxed and without commercials. Now, everything is pan&scan and full of commercial breaks. Still, I guess it keeps POTA alive in the popular culture, so whatever.
I would imagine AMC is doing this on that weekend because of the opening of KONG: SKULL ISLAND, but it might have nothing to do with it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz pota1968@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: potadg <potadg@yahoogroups.com>; pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 2:49 am
Subject: [pota] APE MARATHON
Coming Saturday March 11th on AMCTV. Full Planet of the Apes Marathon with a mini marathon Friday night (the night before) with Planet of the Apes and Beneath the Planet of the Apes. #GoApe!
Al
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75763 |
From: James |
Date: 3/2/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet apes |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75764 |
From: James |
Date: 3/4/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
.html.html |
 | | | "planet of the apes" Daily update
⋅ March 4, 2017 | | | NEWS |
| | Most anticipated movies of 2017 The University of Alabama Crimson White
... Serkis return to this critically acclaimed blockbuster franchise for the third and (maybe) final installment in the rebooted "Planet of the Apes" series. | | |
All eight Planet of the Apes films ranked from worst to best The Nerd Recites The Planet of the Apes
franchise holds as fervent and loyal a fanbase as any of the great modern Science Fiction franchises. Similarly, its duration and ... | |
| Movie remakes, franchise installments of 2017 Minaret
This year, we will see the third installment of the Planet of The Apes series. After it began development in 2005, the reboot series finally began with its ... | | | | | | | |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75765 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/5/2017 |
| Subject: Muscle Apes Men |
.htmlHey, Hunter, these photos are from the set of BENEATH, not PLANET.
https://pota.goatley.com/stills/muscle-apes.htmlbr>
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75766 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: APE MARATHON |
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Despite the commercials, fake letterbox (16:9 or some such?- somebody help
me out), and even the occasional censored curse on Sundance
Channel ("God...damn you all to Hell!!" loses a bit of it's punch when it's
"~~~...damn you all to Hell!!"), I can still enjoy a TV broadcast because
it still feels like the same collective viewing experience that it did when
I was a kid. Come to think of it, I've seen all five films on TV quite a
bit in the past 12 months. In 2016 they were all over the Cinemax channels
(albeit in the early morning hours), and in 2017 they've been on MOVIES!, The
Sundance Channel, and now there's two days on AMC (plus at least one more with a
PLANET/BENEATH and BENEATH/PLANET mini marathon on Thursday the 16th). In cases
like this I'll usually be doing something else while they're on, but in all
honesty- if you happen to be at home at that point- what the hell else is
on TV on a Saturday to watch? Or Friday night for that matter? Those who like
the first two films the best because they're the only two that actually take
place on the actual "Planet of the Apes" can kick back and enjoy the
PLANET/BENEATH double feature, and if you enjoy the franchise as a whole then
Saturday the 11 will definitely be a good day for you. Plus if you stay up and
watch the entire marathon (ESCAPE repeats from 1AM to 3:30AM), you can watch an
episode of the TV Series (the infamous "The Liberator") at 5AM on MeTV.
As an aside, I saw a commercial on AMC where they said that they were
running marathons for the entire month of March.
As a second aside, Sundance Channel had no issue at all with "...bloody
bastard...". Damn weirdos.
Chris L.
apefan23 wrote:
>>Yeah...i saw Ceasar yelling Fight Like Apes and Taylor bound on the
commercial the other night during TWD and got a little thrill in my
gut...! <<
haristas wrote:
>>Funny that twenty years ago this would have been big news, back
when things on AMC were fully letterboxed and without commercials. Now,
everything is pan&scan and full of commercial breaks. Still, I guess it
keeps POTA alive in the popular culture, so whatever. I would imagine AMC
is doing this on that weekend because of the opening of KONG: SKULL ISLAND, but
it might have nothing to do with it. <<
pota1968 wrote:
>>Coming Saturday March 11th on AMCTV. Full Planet of the Apes
Marathon with a mini marathon Friday night (the night before) with Planet of the
Apes and Beneath the Planet of the Apes. #GoApe! <<<.html
____________________________________________________________How To Fix Your Fatigue (Do This Every Day)
Gundry MD
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75767 |
From: James |
Date: 3/10/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - planet apes |
.html.html |
 | | | "planet of the apes" Daily update
⋅ March 10, 2017 | | | NEWS | | |
Preview of Planet of the Apes/Green Lantern #2 Flickering Myth (blog) The second issue of Boom! Studios and DC Comics' crossover series Planet of the Apes/Green Lantern is out this coming Wednesday, and we've got ... | | |
Ranked: Every Planet of the Apes Film Cinelinx This summer, the latest Planet of the Apes film hits theaters. Join us as we take a look at this decade-spanning science fiction franchise and rank its ... | | |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75768 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: AMC God damn-less |
.html.html It's 2017 and the cable channel that's famous for it's zombie apocalypse and letting Walter White break bad still won't let Taylor say "God damn". They used one of Heston's "Ah"s: "Ah, damn them all to hell". So I guess "damn" isn't the problem. Nor is all the religious satire in the movies. Lousy human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75769 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
.htmlAt least PLANET was letterboxed and in stereo, though the color was muted and rather brown but I thought the film looked sharper than the HD transfer on TCM. I didn't record or see the sequels because of being at work this weekend.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>; Neil Moxham neilmoxham@... [PotaDG] <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 12, 2017 4:57 am
Subject: [pota] AMC God damn-less
It's 2017 and the cable channel that's famous for it's zombie apocalypse and letting Walter White break bad still won't let Taylor say "God damn". They used one of Heston's "Ah"s: "Ah, damn them all to hell". So I guess "damn" isn't the problem. Nor is all the religious satire in the movies.
Lousy human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say)
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75770 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
.html.html .htmlIf that line was okay, am I correct in assuming Taylor's "You bloody bastard" from BENEATH was alright too?
In a message dated 3/12/2017 3:57:24 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Lousy human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75771 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
.htmlI noticed that too. But Taylor also said, "You bloody bastard" to Zaius at the close of Beneath...
Zach
On March 12, 2017, at 3:57 AM, "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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It's 2017 and the cable channel that's famous for it's zombie apocalypse and letting Walter White break bad still won't let Taylor say "God damn". They used one of Heston's "Ah"s: "Ah, damn them all to hell". So I guess "damn" isn't the problem. Nor is all the religious satire in the movies. Lousy human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say) Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75772 |
From: Zach Scott |
Date: 3/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
.htmlI suppose so...
Zach
On March 12, 2017, at 5:05 PM, "mlccougar@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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If that line was okay, am I correct in assuming Taylor's "You bloody bastard" from BENEATH was alright too?
In a message dated 3/12/2017 3:57:24 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Lousy human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75773 |
From: James |
Date: 3/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75774 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/19/2017 |
| Subject: misunderstood dialog |
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.html There's actually a line that Dr. Zaius says in PLANET that I've never
heard correctly. Right after they come back into the courtroom: "Mr
President, a word of explanation. The human specimen you saw outside
suffered a skull fracture (then I can't make out the rest until) "Two
fine veterinary surgeons under my direction etc etc".
Also, I had always heard "Bailiff! Tag the animal!!" until last week when
I realized it was "Gag the animal!!" (although it's not like I was
listening all that closely every time either). The piece of cloth they
put on him- especially the weird chin to back of the head diagonal angle-
made me think that he had been "tagged". In the context of the story and
how apes treated humans, I mean.
Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75775 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 3/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: AMC God damn-less |
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Jeff K. wrote:
>>Its 2017 and the cable channel thats famous for its zombie
apocalypse and letting Walter White break bad still wont let Taylor say God
damn. They used one of Hestons Ahs: Ah, damn them all to hell. So I guess
damn isnt the problem. Nor is all the religious satire in the movies. Lousy
human bastards! (which they did let Caesar say) <<
They also did a couple of weird edits to remove the brief nudity in
the film (if you can even call it that) while they were swimming and also during
the hearing.
haristas wrote:
>>At least PLANET was letterboxed and in stereo, though the color was
muted and rather brown but I thought the film looked sharper than the HD
transfer on TCM. I didn't record or see the sequels because of being at work
this weekend. <<
BENEATH, CONQUEST, and BATTLE were all in that fake letterbox (16:9 is
it?), but ESCAPE was a mess. Part of the time it was a square image with black
on the left & right sides, other times it looked like you were watching a
letterboxed film- on a television screen- while in a theater. Just as a point of
reference, both CONQUEST and BATTLE were the original theatrical
cuts.
mlccougar wrote:
>>If that line was okay, am I correct in assuming Taylor's "You
bloody bastard" from BENEATH was alright too?
Yes it was. I remember seeing a broadcast once where it was silenced out
(ditto for CONQUEST now that I think about it), and it struck me as funny
because even back in the 70's on The 4:30 Movie neither "bastard" or "bastards"
was censored.
Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75776 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
.html"The human specimen you saw outside suffered a skull fracture in the course of the hunt."
-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 11:45 pm
Subject: [pota] misunderstood dialog
There's actually a line that Dr. Zaius says in PLANET that I've never
heard correctly. Right after they come back into the courtroom: "Mr
President, a word of explanation. The human specimen you saw outside
suffered a skull fracture (then I can't make out the rest until) "Two
fine veterinary surgeons under my direction etc etc".
Also, I had always heard "Bailiff! Tag the animal!!" until last week when
I realized it was "Gag the animal!!" (although it's not like I was
listening all that closely every time either). The piece of cloth they
put on him- especially the weird chin to back of the head diagonal angle-
made me think that he had been "tagged". In the context of the story and
how apes treated humans, I mean.
Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75777 |
From: mikem3978 |
Date: 3/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
.htmlThe words you are missing in the quote are "during the course of the hunt".
Mike
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75778 |
From: James |
Date: 3/23/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75779 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 3/25/2017 |
| Subject: Mort Abrahams was born on this day in 1916, Monday, 26 March 2018 |
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"Mort Abrahams was born on this day in 1916" reminder
When
Monday, 26 March 2018
12:00 AM
to
12:00 AM
(GMT-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Notes
Associate Producer: Planet & Beneath.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75780 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: (no subject) |
.html.html They should be in church, but the folks at "War For the POTA" are starting to record the music for the movie this fine Sunday. So sez composer Michael Giacchino. So put the ape masks on the orchestra and create magic. Good luck! twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/845810790359740417/photo/1 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75781 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75782 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Music for WAR |
.htmlMaybe that means we'll soon be getting another trailer and it'll have parts of the actual score for the final film!
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 11:36 am
Subject: [pota]
They should be in church, but the folks at "War For the POTA" are starting to record the music for the movie this fine Sunday. So sez composer Michael Giacchino. So put the ape masks on the orchestra and create magic. Good luck!
twitter.com/m_giacchino/status/845810790359740417/photo/1
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75783 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
.htmlYeah, I got a notice about this a couple weeks ago from Amazon. Early June release for these. But, I read the prequel novel for DAWN before I saw it, and it really didn't do much for me, so I'm not really that excited about this.
Oh, in case there's anyone here who has already made the video jump to 4K Ultra HD with a new TV and Blu-ray player -- and I'm pretty sure here that that is NO ONE -- not even me, but maybe Alex -- both RISE and DAWN are going to be released from Fox on Blu-ray in 4K later this spring. Man, I hope they do the '68 original PLANET in 4K for the 50th, but I bet they don't.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: POTA <pota@yahoogroups.com>; POTADG <potadg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 5:36 pm
Subject: [pota] War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75784 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: new POTA trailer this week? |
.html.html Tomorrow (Tuesday) sees the release of Spiderman trailer #2. Spidey opens the week before "War 4 the POTA". Both released Trailer #1 in the same vicinity. Added 2 that, it's CinemaCon (formerly NATO) in Vegas this week, where the studios bring out the stars and show some new stuff (maybe why they were recording "War" music on a Sunday). Finally, this Sunday is the last "Walking Dead" of the season and POTA loves it some "Walking Dead" to promote with. This all adds up to a new POTA trailer presently. Elementary, my dear Watson. Watson: Holmes, this time you've gone too far!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75785 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 3/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Novelization and 'Revelations' prequel |
.htmlWhile the reality is that these tie-in novels are just cash grabs from the studio's point of view, if the authors are decent they are entertaining and sometimes do give a smidgen of insight that the authors may have received as part of their data source (prelim scripts, or 'final' scripts which were later altered during shooting. The newcomer to the PotAverse will be War's author Greg Cox, but he does seem to have quite an extensive background as an SF 'cover' wrriter. Fingers crossed... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75786 |
From: James |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75787 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75788 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
.htmlA very perceptive, dead-on contemporary review, which if compared to more recent retrospective commentary on the '68 film, written in the egalitarian age of the internet, proves that to have gotten published back then, you had to prove every day your academic bonafide's. As Dr. Zaius might say, "These young people know nothing."
-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Mar 28, 2017 11:15 am
Subject: [pota] Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75789 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Updates on Hunter's Planet of the Apes Archive |
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Among other recent updates....
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- Thanks to Maz Adams, twenty-one photos from the
collection of makeup artist Werner Keppler can be found
on the Werner
Keppler page (which
is also linked from the Lobby Cards & Stills page). Werner
worked on all five Planet
of the Apes films.
- Again thanks to Maz Adams, two photos from the
collection of Jerry Maren can be found on the Jerry Maren page. One of these has
never been publicly-displayed before!
- Thanks to Harry Barnes, more international lobby cards
have been added to the Lobby Cards & Stills page, which has
also been reorganized. Specifically, the following are
new additions from Harry:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75790 |
From: valwp |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Simian Scrolls #19 hard copy |
.htmlThe hard copy shipment of SS#19 has arrived from John Roche et al--they're $6 if you're interested, which includes shipping. I ship once a week in a plain paper envelope. You can pay via snail-mail, concealed cash or a check. My email is valwp@...--write me and I'll reply with my address. Kass |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75791 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 3/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian Scrolls #19 hard copy |
.html.html .htmlLooking fwd. to receiving (and reading) it...
In a message dated 3/28/2017 6:42:50 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
The hard copy shipment of SS#19 has arrived from John Roche et al--they're $6 if you're interested, which includes shipping. I ship once a week in a plain paper envelope. You can pay via snail-mail, concealed cash or a check. My email is valwp@...--write me and I'll reply with my address.
Kass
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75792 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/29/2017 |
| Subject: new Apes trailer Thursday |
.html.html Fox has announced there will be a new trailer tomorrow, just in time 4 Fox's presentation at CinemaCon. Prob an ad on Sunday's "Walking Dead" season finale. Here's 10 seconds of it. Twitter.com/20thcenturyfox/status/847071778123931650 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75793 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts. collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75794 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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I'd like to see this trilogy end as it did with Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The lawgiver reading the story of Caesar some 600 years in the future. In all, Rise, Dawn and War was all a story being told by the lawgiver and giving us a glimpse of ape society 600 years in the future. Great setup for another trilogy.
Al On Thursday, March 30, 2017, 2:41 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts. collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75795 |
From: Saulo Adami |
Date: 3/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlFantastic!
Go Ape!
Saulo Adami
From Brazil
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Em qui, 30/3/17, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> escreveu:
Assunto: [pota] "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Para: " lawford42@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com>, "Neil Moxham neilmoxham@... [PotaDG]" < PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Data: Quinta-feira, 30 de Março de 2017, 15:43
Good shout outs to
"Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a
conclusion of sorts.
collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/
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Message: 75796 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: The Late Show |
.htmlLast night The Late Show aired the new trailer for War, with a special introduction by Stephen Colbert.
Also a new one sheet was released yesterday. 
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75797 |
From: James |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75798 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
.html.html Andy Serkis and Woody Harrelson stop fighting long enough to sit down and comment on the new trailer (thanx, ign!). They just give the basic setup but your spoilers may vary. ign.com/videos/2017/03/31/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-trailer-commentary-with-andy-serkis-and-woody-harrelson Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75799 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: The Late Show |
.htmlI don't like Colbert much, but I DVR'd last night show because Marisa Tomei was on (and I like to imagine monkeying around with her), so it was a surprise to see the full trailer after the monolog. Fox must have paid a pretty penny for that.
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From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 31, 2017 6:37 am
Subject: [pota] The Late Show
Last night The Late Show aired the new trailer for War, with a special introduction by Stephen Colbert.
Also a new one sheet was released yesterday.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75800 |
From: haristas |
Date: 3/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
.htmlI hope Fox isn't going to over-hype this movie. I want WAR to be a huge success and make more money than DAWN so there will be another one, but if you over-hype you raise expectations and then the movie really has to deliver. Lawgiver, who knows if WAR delivers?
I'll tell you what though about another Fox movie. The more I look at the trailers for ALIEN: COVENANT, man, that movie looks like just the "same-old-same" Alien stuff to me. Boooooooring. I can see myself falling asleep during it, just as I did when watching PROMETHEUS.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>; Neil Moxham neilmoxham@... [PotaDG] <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Mar 31, 2017 11:05 am
Subject: [pota] watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody
Andy Serkis and Woody Harrelson stop fighting long enough to sit down and comment on the new trailer (thanx, ign!). They just give the basic setup but your spoilers may vary.
ign.com/videos/2017/03/31/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-trailer-commentary-with-andy-serkis-and-woody-harrelson
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75801 |
From: goatbusters |
Date: 4/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: watch the new trailer with Andy and Woody |
.htmlI thought ALIEN: COVENANT looked incredibly boring the first time I saw the trailer. Been there, done that, way too many times already.
Hunter
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75802 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Group Website Update |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75803 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
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.html Thanks to Rory and Mike for the clarification, and since the subject has
been brought up here's a few other things that I never quite made out:
1) Right after "You cut up his brain you bloody baboon!" and Taylor
starts running up the stairs/seats, someone says (or yells) something
before the net gets thrown on him. One of the orangutans, I think.
2) In the cave, Taylor says "But he was here before you, and he was
better than you are now" and Zaius responds with "(something) lunacy",
although I'm fully aware the unintelligible part may just be a noise akin
to "Pfff".
3) Did we ever figure out what Taylor says after "Shut up you freak!!".
It's "Surely you're (something)", although come to think of it a lot of
what he's saying while the hose is going in hard to make out. I could
never make out the three words right before "You hairy scum!!". "Damn you
apes", maybe? Or "Damn you Julius"?
Chris L.
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Date: 4/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
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.html1) Right after "You cut up his brain you bloody baboon!" and Taylor
starts running up the stairs/seats, someone says (or yells) something
before the net gets thrown on him. One of the orangutans, I think.
The dialogue in the final draft screenplay from May 1967 was changed when filming of this scene was done on June 22,1967, so it's disputable what's exactly said, which is from James Whitmore as The President of the Assembly.
The Fox subtitles on the DVD and Blu-ray say "Stop him!" But I think I hear "Grab him!"
2) In the cave, Taylor says "But he was here before you, and he was
better than you are now" and Zaius responds with "(something) lunacy",
although I'm fully aware the unintelligible part may just be a noise akin
to "Pfff".
Both the script and the DVD/Blu-ray subtitles say it's "That's lunacy." But again, I think I hear Maurice Evans say "Cursed lunacy."
3) Did we ever figure out what Taylor says after "Shut up you freak!!".
It's "Surely you're (something)", although come to think of it a lot of
what he's saying while the hose is going in hard to make out. I could
never make out the three words right before "You hairy scum!!". "Damn you
apes", maybe? Or "Damn you Julius"?
This is also not in the final shooting script and was changed during filming, but it can be made out pretty clearly in the film. This is the exchange between Taylor and Julius:
Taylor: "Damn you, you hairy scum!"
Julius: "Shut up, you freak!"
Taylor: "Julius, you...."
Julius: "I said, shut up!"
Just before the "You hairy scum" line, Taylor is saying, "Where are you taking her? Where? Damn, you dirty rottin'..."
Rory
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Subject: [pota] Re: misunderstood dialog
Thanks to Rory and Mike for the clarification, and since the subject has
been brought up here's a few other things that I never quite made out:
1) Right after "You cut up his brain you bloody baboon!" and Taylor
starts running up the stairs/seats, someone says (or yells) something
before the net gets thrown on him. One of the orangutans, I think.
2) In the cave, Taylor says "But he was here before you, and he was
better than you are now" and Zaius responds with "(something) lunacy",
although I'm fully aware the unintelligible part may just be a noise akin
to "Pfff".
3) Did we ever figure out what Taylor says after "Shut up you freak!!".
It's "Surely you're (something)", although come to think of it a lot of
what he's saying while the hose is going in hard to make out. I could
never make out the three words right before "You hairy scum!!". "Damn you
apes", maybe? Or "Damn you Julius"?
Chris L.
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html As much as "Dark Knight Rises" stole the title from "Rise of the POTA" (almost). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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.html.html Probably it will end with Batman reading the scroll. That will lead us directly into Matt Reeves' next movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I'd like to see this trilogy end as it did with Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The lawgiver reading the story of Caesar some 600 years in the future. In all, Rise, Dawn and War was all a story being told by the lawgiver and giving us a glimpse of ape society 600 years in the future. Great setup for another trilogy. Al
On Thursday, March 30, 2017, 2:41 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts. collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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.htmlI see these prequel films as being so far in the past from the time of the Lawgiver that there's no way the Lawgiver could have any knowledge of them outside of myth and legend, kind of like the Romans in the time of their Caesar. The ancient Romans had no true knowledge of their origins -- because either no one wrote it down or the records were lost. Have you seen any ape writing down their history in these films? To quote the simian Caesar, "Nooooooooooo!"
So, I'd be against this trilogy having an ending as Al would like to see.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [pota] "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Probably it will end with Batman reading the scroll. That will lead us directly into Matt Reeves' next movie.
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Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 12:09 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
I'd like to see this trilogy end as it did with Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The lawgiver reading the story of Caesar some 600 years in the future. In all, Rise, Dawn and War was all a story being told by the lawgiver and giving us a glimpse of ape society 600 years in the future.
Great setup for another trilogy.
Al
On Thursday, March 30, 2017, 2:41 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts.
collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/
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LOL 😄 On Monday, April 3, 2017, 11:12 AM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Probably it will end with Batman reading the scroll. That will lead us directly into Matt Reeves' next movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I'd like to see this trilogy end as it did with Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The lawgiver reading the story of Caesar some 600 years in the future. In all, Rise, Dawn and War was all a story being told by the lawgiver and giving us a glimpse of ape society 600 years in the future. Great setup for another trilogy. Al On Thursday, March 30, 2017, 2:41 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts.
collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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Well, the apes are slaves in Conquest while in the new prequels they're not. In War, as seen in the trailer, they are work horses for the Alpha Omega army, but not in a pre-apocalyptic world as in Conquest. So don't expect these new prequels to be in perfect alignment with the originals.
Just saying.
Al
On Monday, April 3, 2017, 12:39 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I see these prequel films as being so far in the past from the time of the Lawgiver that there's no way the Lawgiver could have any knowledge of them outside of myth and legend, kind of like the Romans in the time of their Caesar. The ancient Romans had no true knowledge of their origins -- because either no one wrote it down or the records were lost. Have you seen any ape writing down their history in these films? To quote the simian Caesar, "Nooooooooooo!"
So, I'd be against this trilogy having an ending as Al would like to see.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 11:12 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Probably it will end with Batman reading the scroll. That will lead us directly into Matt Reeves' next movie.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I'd like to see this trilogy end as it did with Battle for the Planet of the Apes. The lawgiver reading the story of Caesar some 600 years in the future. In all, Rise, Dawn and War was all a story being told by the lawgiver and giving us a glimpse of ape society 600 years in the future.
Great setup for another trilogy.
Al
Good shout outs to "Rise" and "Dawn" (literally). Feels like a conclusion of sorts.
collider.com/war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-new-trailer/
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html .htmlThey're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
In a message dated 4/3/2017 3:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Well, the apes are slaves in Conquest while in the new prequels they're not. In War, as seen in the trailer, they are work horses for the Alpha Omega army, but not in a pre-apocalyptic world as in Conquest. So don't expect these new prequels to be in perfect alignment with the originals.
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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.htmlThe new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. They are a reboot. They are universally regarded as a reboot. Even Rick Jaffa, producer of all three films and screenwriter on the first two, said they were a reboot when asked the question directly in an interview. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mlccougar@...> wrote :
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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The new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. Who says? They are reboot/prequels. You're supposed to just forget the sequels.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 5:28 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
The new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. They are a reboot. They are universally regarded as a reboot. Even Rick Jaffa, producer of all three films and screenwriter on the first two, said they were a reboot when asked the question directly in an interview.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < mlccougar@...> wrote :
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/3/2017 |
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They're prequels to me. I don't care about the canon of the sequels. The original movie left open many possibilities. Old argument.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
In a message dated 4/3/2017 3:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Well, the apes are slaves in Conquest while in the new prequels they're not. In War, as seen in the trailer, they are work horses for the Alpha Omega army, but not in a pre-apocalyptic world as in Conquest. So don't expect these new prequels to be in perfect alignment with the originals.
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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That was exactly my point. I completely agree. These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
It's all good.
Al On Monday, April 3, 2017, 4:53 PM, mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
In a message dated 4/3/2017 3:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Well, the apes are slaves in Conquest while in the new prequels they're not. In War, as seen in the trailer, they are work horses for the Alpha Omega army, but not in a pre-apocalyptic world as in Conquest. So don't expect these new prequels to be in perfect alignment with the originals.
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Date: 4/3/2017 |
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That's what they've said all along. It's the Heston version they're leading to, not the original sequels. And with an army calling themselves, Alpha Omega (another tip of the hat) there's a very strong possibility what this is going to lead to. Post-Trump era. Haha!
Al On Monday, April 3, 2017, 5:59 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
They're prequels to me. I don't care about the canon of the sequels. The original movie left open many possibilities. Old argument.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
In a message dated 4/3/2017 3:37:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Well, the apes are slaves in Conquest while in the new prequels they're not. In War, as seen in the trailer, they are work horses for the Alpha Omega army, but not in a pre-apocalyptic world as in Conquest. So don't expect these new prequels to be in perfect alignment with the originals.
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Date: 4/4/2017 |
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Looks awesome, but I think I just saw the entire movie. ;-)
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
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Subject: [pota] Group Website Update
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html .htmlWith their little "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" tip of the hat to the original sequels "Alpha and Omega", isn't that showing they're leading to the original sequels? All their cute little "references" show that the original sequels are definitely in their mind, if not in their ideas-They're not strictly focusing on "Planet" '68...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
It's the Heston version they're leading to, not the original sequels. And with an army calling themselves, Alpha Omega (another tip of the hat) there's a very strong possibility what this is going to lead to.
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Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html .htmlThe original "Planet" did leave a lot of questions unanswered as to their origins, but face it, for better or for worse, those questions were answered in "Escape"...
And one thing I don't get, and I mean no sarcasm with this, but I recall some times when you said that "Planet" can and should be viewed as a stand alone film and that all the original sequels were was a big mess that tarnished the original film: If that's still your overall general opinion, what makes you think that these "prequels" aren't going to louse things up with their (potential) plots/plot-lines? They may skim over the carnivorous Gorillas, etc. altogether... And "Rise" shows the space ship being lost in its time-I'll bet the chronometer in "Rise's" spaceship doesn't indicate the seen on screen year of 1972...
Also, "Planet" takes place in the eastern region of the United States, yet "Rise" and "Dawn" are both set in California- How's that gonna be explained? A mass migration of the ape population to the eastern US? If anything, "Rise" and "Dawn" would be setting up the TV series :)
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
On Monday, April 3, 2017, 5:59 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
They're prequels to me. I don't care about the canon of the sequels. The original movie left open many possibilities. Old argument.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 4:53 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html .htmlExactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlIt's amazing how suddenly this sleepy Yahoo group can come alive over the same old disagreements on the sequels and what's canon and how it's the same four or five guys!
Anyway, everyone knows what I think and where I'm coming from. I don't believe the original series is a closed timeloop. I believe ESCAPE changed the "original timeline" that created the "world of the '68 original" and that that original timeline has never been explored. I also believe there are inconsistencies in the original series that just can not be logically patched over and so, therefore, must be ignored.
I also believe that the rebooted modern films are prequels to the original, but that they too create inconsistencies with what info is given in the original '68 film and can't be patched over and so must equally just be ignored
So, in order to enjoy the new movies and except them as cousins, if not siblings, to the original film series, you have -- HAVE -- to do two things:
1. Ignore and not get hung up on inconsistencies.
2. Not be a believer in the closed timeloop conception of the five-film original series.
If you're not willing to do that, then I guess you just regard the new films as the creation of an entirely different take on the concept, leading to a planet of the apes similar to BUT NOT the planet of the apes as seen in the 1968 original.
That's fine, but there is a problem with it -- it's not what Fox or the makers of the new movies want you to think.
So, whatever.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:17 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
With their little "wink-wink/nudge-nudge" tip of the hat to the original sequels "Alpha and Omega", isn't that showing they're leading to the original sequels? All their cute little "references" show that the original sequels are definitely in their mind, if not in their ideas-They're not strictly focusing on "Planet" '68...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
It's the Heston version they're leading to, not the original sequels. And with an army calling themselves, Alpha Omega (another tip of the hat) there's a very strong possibility what this is going to lead to.
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The original "Planet" did leave a lot of questions unanswered as to their origins, but face it, for better or for worse, those questions were answered in "Escape"...
And one thing I don't get, and I mean no sarcasm with this, but I recall some times when you said that "Planet" can and should be viewed as a stand alone film and that all the original sequels were was a big mess that tarnished the original film: If that's still your overall general opinion, what makes you think that these "prequels" aren't going to louse things up with their (potential) plots/plot-lines? They may skim over the carnivorous Gorillas, etc. altogether... And "Rise" shows the space ship being lost in its time-I'll bet the chronometer in "Rise's" spaceship doesn't indicate the seen on screen year of 1972...
Also, "Planet" takes place in the eastern region of the United States, yet "Rise" and "Dawn" are both set in California- How's that gonna be explained? A mass migration of the ape population to the eastern US? If anything, "Rise" and "Dawn" would be setting up the TV series :)
My opinion now and for a long time -- like for the past forty years! -- has been that the so-called "Answers" in ESCAPE as to how the original Planet of the Apes came into being were for the worse. The timeline that Zira and Cornelius gave for the domestication, enslavement and simian revolution did not jibe with the late 20th-century nuclear holocaust that's supposed to have happened as depicted in BENEATH, nor does it jibe -- if the series is actually a timeloop with the events that would happen in CONQUEST and BATTLE. Therefore, ESCAPE doesn't answer anything but only creates more questions -- and those questions can't be answered!
Also, I don't think these new movies are going to "louse things up," at least not any more or worse than the inconsistencies created by the original sequels most certainly did. So far these prequels to PLANET have yet to explain when and how a nuclear holocaust happens in order to change the topography and climate of North America as drastically as seen in the original -- accepting, of course, that because of BENEATH we HAVE to accept that there was a nuclear holocaust.
As for the apes migrating... YEAH! They migrate. I hope they migrate all over the continent. Why not? Why not an early ape civilization that was much larger and more widespread than that depicted in the original film? Why not? Perhaps the world in the future but centuries before PLANET had greater greenbelts and much more "Ape Cities." But over the course of two thousand years, the conditions of climate change has the deserts encroaching on and shrinking the greenbelts, and both the ape and human populations shrinking until you get to "the world of the '68 original." These things are only limited by your imagination and I say don't put limits on your imagination by being too literal about what can or can not be because of what was either shown, or said, or implied in the original, very inconsistent series of films.
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
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Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In fewer words -- it's all good.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
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Message: 75824 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html .htmlNow see, I have always felt that "Escape" was a turning point and that it does set up its own alternate timeline... I don't believe the revolution in "Conquest" leads to an exact replica of the world we see in "Planet"... I do not believe that everything is going to be played out the same in the timeline started in "Escape"...
In a message dated 4/4/2017 8:29:58 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Anyway, everyone knows what I think and where I'm coming from. I don't believe the original series is a closed timeloop. I believe ESCAPE changed the "original timeline" that created the "world of the '68 original" and that that original timeline has never been explored.
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From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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So your saying that the new prequels are the original timeline and that ESCAPE created an alternate timeline? Sure, why not. I can dig that.
Al On Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 10:03 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
WRONG! These reboots are prequels to the original movie or "the world of the original movie." They are linked. The makers of these films have said so, again and again. Fans can either accept that FACT, or they can ignore it. This fan chooses to accept it and work with it. I work with it by ignoring things like the 1972 launch date of Taylor's spaceship and other things and just taking these new movies as a different take as to how the origins of the original movie "might" have occurred, and since I don't believe the original five-film series is a closed timeloop, these new movies do absolutely nothing to destroy the timelime created in ESCAPE, CONQUEST, and BATTLE.
In fewer words -- it's all good.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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So your saying that the new prequels are the original timeline and that ESCAPE created an alternate timeline?
The new prequels can be thought of as presenting the original timeline -- if you're open to that. Some fans are not because either they believe in the timeloop view of things, or they're hung up on everything being consistent with Taylor leaving Earth in 1972 and so forth. I'm more liberal about it. I say to hell with the inconsistencies.
Now, Burton's movie... that freak don't fit nothin'!
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz pota1968@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
So your saying that the new prequels are the original timeline and that ESCAPE created an alternate timeline?
Sure, why not. I can dig that.
Al
On Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 10:03 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
WRONG! These reboots are prequels to the original movie or "the world of the original movie." They are linked. The makers of these films have said so, again and again. Fans can either accept that FACT, or they can ignore it. This fan chooses to accept it and work with it. I work with it by ignoring things like the 1972 launch date of Taylor's spaceship and other things and just taking these new movies as a different take as to how the origins of the original movie "might" have occurred, and since I don't believe the original five-film series is a closed timeloop, these new movies do absolutely nothing to destroy the timelime created in ESCAPE, CONQUEST, and BATTLE.
In fewer words -- it's all good.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
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From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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"Now, Burton's movie... that freak don't fit nothin"
LOL 😄
On Tuesday, April 4, 2017, 6:02 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
So your saying that the new prequels are the original timeline and that ESCAPE created an alternate timeline?
The new prequels can be thought of as presenting the original timeline -- if you're open to that. Some fans are not because either they believe in the timeloop view of things, or they're hung up on everything being consistent with Taylor leaving Earth in 1972 and so forth. I'm more liberal about it. I say to hell with the inconsistencies.
Now, Burton's movie... that freak don't fit nothin'!
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex Ruiz pota1968@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
So your saying that the new prequels are the original timeline and that ESCAPE created an alternate timeline?
Sure, why not. I can dig that.
Al
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
WRONG! These reboots are prequels to the original movie or "the world of the original movie." They are linked. The makers of these films have said so, again and again. Fans can either accept that FACT, or they can ignore it. This fan chooses to accept it and work with it. I work with it by ignoring things like the 1972 launch date of Taylor's spaceship and other things and just taking these new movies as a different take as to how the origins of the original movie "might" have occurred, and since I don't believe the original five-film series is a closed timeloop, these new movies do absolutely nothing to destroy the timelime created in ESCAPE, CONQUEST, and BATTLE.
In fewer words -- it's all good.
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [pota] < pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota < pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 4, 2017 5:18 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Exactly: The original films and these reboots have their origins in Boulle's novel, but they're both their own entity... "Rise" is no more a part of "Planet" than 1978's "Superman" film is a part of the George Reeves "Superman" television series...
In a message dated 4/3/2017 5:13:27 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
These new POTA films are simply a new modern day version with similarities to the originals (tip of the hat) but each version with its own canon. That was made clear with the first film, Rise.
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Message: 75828 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlThe problem is that the filmmakers have been inconsistent in their statements. Rupert Wyatt, the director of Rise, said in an 2011 interview that the film was a prequel to the original Planet. Rick Jaffa, who wrote the screenplays of Rise & Dawn and is a producer of all three films, was asked the question directly in an interview if Rise was a prequel or reboot and he answered reboot. However, in another interview Jaffa called it a prequel. His partner Amanda Silver in a 2014 interview said reboot.
Adding to the confusion both Wikipedia and the POTA wiki use the term reboot.
At this point, it was probably best to wait and see where future films go. Will they lead into the original the way the Star Wars films have or will there eventually be a remake of the original?
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote : WRONG! These reboots are prequels to the original movie or "the world of the original movie." They are linked. The makers of these films have said so, again and again.
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Message: 75829 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlI like the migration idea, that could be the basis of the next film or next several films. Of course that would mean the apes lose in War and have to find a new home. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :
As for the apes migrating... YEAH! They migrate. I hope they migrate all over the continent. Why not? Why not an early ape civilization that was much larger and more widespread than that depicted in the original film? Why not?
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Message: 75830 |
From: James |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75831 |
From: Alex Ruiz |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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Well, Caesar does travel a great distance in the film. Who knows, by this time they could already be on the east coast. Still like the alternate timeline created by Zira and Cornelius apart from the prequels. Makes for a cool apes marathon one day. Or two if your going to watch all 8 films with couple of naps in between. I like the overall picture. The connections aren't perfect but it does works. At least for me.
Al On Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 6:52 AM, JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I like the migration idea, that could be the basis of the next film or next several films. Of course that would mean the apes lose in War and have to find a new home.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :
As for the apes migrating... YEAH! They migrate. I hope they migrate all over the continent. Why not? Why not an early ape civilization that was much larger and more widespread than that depicted in the original film? Why not?
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Message: 75832 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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The problem is that the filmmakers have been inconsistent in their statements. Rupert Wyatt, the director of Rise, said in an 2011 interview that the film was a prequel to the original Planet. Rick Jaffa, who wrote the screenplays of Rise & Dawn and is a producer of all three films, was asked the question directly in an interview if Rise was a prequel or reboot and he answered reboot. However, in another interview Jaffa called it a prequel. His partner Amanda Silver in a 2014 interview said reboot.
Adding to the confusion both Wikipedia and the POTA wiki use the term reboot.
At this point, it was probably best to wait and see where future films go. Will they lead into the original the way the Star Wars films have or will there eventually be a remake of the original?
You forgot to mention that Matt Reeves has said that these "reboots" eventually lead to "the world of the '68 original." That essentially makes these modern APES movies prequels in my view, but not necessarily direct prequels to Taylor's story in the original film, but to the setting of the original film, the 3978 CE future desert world of the planet of the apes.
For that reason, I'm absolutely against there ever being a remake of the 1968 classic. There's absolutely no artistic justification for that. There's a nearly two thousand year timeline between these reboot/prequels and the original film that leaves ample opportunity to explore many stories involving conflicts among rapidly evolving simian societies and regressing humanity. The only thing I care about is that those stories be interesting and true to the allegorical and satire conceit of the original premise.
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From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 5, 2017 6:45 am
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
The problem is that the filmmakers have been inconsistent in their statements. Rupert Wyatt, the director of Rise, said in an 2011 interview that the film was a prequel to the original Planet. Rick Jaffa, who wrote the screenplays of Rise & Dawn and is a producer of all three films, was asked the question directly in an interview if Rise was a prequel or reboot and he answered reboot. However, in another interview Jaffa called it a prequel. His partner Amanda Silver in a 2014 interview said reboot.
Adding to the confusion both Wikipedia and the POTA wiki use the term reboot.
At this point, it was probably best to wait and see where future films go. Will they lead into the original the way the Star Wars films have or will there eventually be a remake of the original?
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < Haristas@...> wrote :
WRONG! These reboots are prequels to the original movie or "the world of the original movie." They are linked. The makers of these films have said so, again and again.
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From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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I like the migration idea, that could be the basis of the next film or next several films. Of course that would mean the apes lose in War and have to find a new home.
-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 5, 2017 6:52 am
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
I like the migration idea, that could be the basis of the next film or next several films. Of course that would mean the apes lose in War and have to find a new home.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < Haristas@...> wrote :
As for the apes migrating... YEAH! They migrate. I hope they migrate all over the continent. Why not? Why not an early ape civilization that was much larger and more widespread than that depicted in the original film? Why not?
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Message: 75834 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
.htmlThere's that dreaded word, "campy." The original movie was not campy! The only truly campy thing in the entire franchise was stuff in the Burton debacle.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Apr 5, 2017 6:52 am
Subject: [pota] FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
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Message: 75835 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlThe 'world of the original' sounds right but not direct prequels. And I agree, there is no reason to remake the original. But I do wonder about those astronauts that went missing in Rise.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :
You forgot to mention that Matt Reeves has said that these "reboots" eventually lead to "the world of the '68 original." That essentially makes these modern APES movies prequels in my view, but not necessarily direct prequels to Taylor's story in the original film, but to the setting of the original film, the 3978 CE future desert world of the planet of the apes.
For that reason, I'm absolutely against there ever being a remake of the 1968 classic. There's absolutely no artistic justification for that. There's a nearly two thousand year timeline between these reboot/prequels and the original film that leaves ample opportunity to explore many stories involving conflicts among rapidly evolving simian societies and regressing humanity. The only thing I care about is that those stories be interesting and true to the allegorical and satire conceit of the original premise.
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Message: 75836 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlMaybe the apes will start to wear clothes. What a radical thought!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :
Well, my only problem with what I see of WAR so far is its winter setting. Apes are tropical animals that die in cold weather like what we're seeing in the trailers. But, perhaps these artificially and rapidly evolving apes grow warm fur coats? In real life, all the three species of great apes seen would suffer mightily to say the least in such a climate.
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Message: 75837 |
From: peter_karsten63 |
Date: 4/7/2017 |
| Subject: Fan-made Comics |
.htmlHi All, It's been a long time...but I was wondering if there is any fan-made comics that can be accessed on the internet to read?
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Message: 75838 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fan-made Comics |
.htmlTry Hunter's site. There are two fan comics there. Hi All, It's been a long time...but I was wondering if there is any fan-made comics that can be accessed on the internet to read?
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Message: 75839 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html Dylan Clark, the producer from "Rise" to "War", said recently: "Here's the cool thing for us: we look at the '68 movie and say, the gift of this series is knowing that's there because it's a journey toward that. It's not about getting there and redoing that. When you tell a story that's narratively about what happened it's a mind blower; the twist is that this is about us, that humanity failed itself, that humanity turned on itself. What's cool is knowing that that's already the end of the story, we are now in the story of how do we get from here to there? And that's a character story. Suddenly we have a giant Russian novel about apes, and chapter after chapter of great ape stories to take us on that trajectory. And it's not about getting there, it's about the journey there".
Matt Reeves on the references to the originals: "If you're a fan, as we all are, of the originals, it's in the same universe but these are new stories, and even the things that come out that are from those stories, they're not happening or meant to be happening in the same way. They're really just homages".
The rub is when we get further down the road it will be in the hands of new people who may decide it would be cool to legit connect to the original. Reeves is already on his way out and it looks like so is Clark, who left Chernin for his own company at Universal (and will also reportedly produce Reeves "Batman"). So who knows what Oliver Stone will do when he's announced this year? Fun Fact: Stone's latest movie "Snowden" dwells on a POTA t-shirt (Roddy in ape makeup wearing sunglasses) worn by the colleague who shows Snowden around the place where he does the deed. Interesting since POTA chimps have traditionally helped rebelled against the powers that be. After 25 years it's time 4 Stone to make his Ape movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:27 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
The new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. They are a reboot. They are universally regarded as a reboot. Even Rick Jaffa, producer of all three films and screenwriter on the first two, said they were a reboot when asked the question directly in an interview.
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mlccougar@...> wrote :
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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Message: 75840 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Hollywood Reporter 1968 Review |
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I always used to hate it when I found a supposed "movie review" video
posted on You Tube, only to end up seeing "Hey what's up everyone this is
Justin and this in my review of (fill in the blank). Well, you know I
though it was a pretty good movie. A little slow at points you know, but
you should definitely check it out. So that's my review, and also be sure to
check out my blog, vlog, like me on Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, my other
site on eBlogger, and also to like this video. Later dudes.". Plus the
reviewer is always wearing a knit hat off to one side of his head, a worn out
concert shirt from a 70's rock band that broke up 30 years before he was
born, empty pizza boxes/food containers in the background, and so forth. Which
is really why I only use You Tube to listen to music anymore plus check out
the occasional movie trailer.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>A very perceptive, dead-on contemporary review, which if compared
to more recent retrospective commentary on the '68 film, written in the
egalitarian age of the internet, proves that to have gotten published back then,
you had to prove every day your academic bonafide's. As Dr. Zaius might say,
"These young people know nothing." <<
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Message: 75841 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: misunderstood dialog |
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Message: 75842 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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I've been avoiding the urge to chime in on this conversation because I've already done so- at length- in the past, so I'm not going to write out the same stuff all over again. To paint in very broad strokes however, the problem with trying to sort out ANY cannon related question- and bear in mind this is coming from someone who truly dislikes both RISE (to many clever references and in-jokes plus overdependence on motion-capture to appease the ADD crowd) and DAWN (a two hour movie about flipping on a power switch)- is that the people behind this new trilogy have been wildly inconsistent in their statements. It was originally supposed to "lead to the world of the 1968 original" and- as such- a prequel trilogy. Then all of a sudden it's a rebooted/reimagined franchise, and the same people are making vague comments (about the second film) to the same questions that were asked about the first. But then more **clever** stuff like
Alpha Omega get worked into the third film, someone comes up with a "fan theory" that the same virus which mutated the apes in RISE/DAWN will **also** mutate the human army and give them the telekinetic abilities and physical disfigurement as seen with the Mutants from BENEATH, and all of a sudden people who were born in the last 20 year are arguing online about cannon/non-cannon and claiming that BENEATH takes place in an alternate universe because there's a pay phone in one scene and "When was the last time you saw a pay phone? lolz". Morons. Personally I'd just rather the new films be their own thing and separate from the five film and two television series, although you could make the argument that they're a prequel to PLANET and BENEATH because that particular history has never been explored. As opposed to the time **between** PLANET and BENEATH, which is becoming something of a lazy crutch for comic book writers (Star Trek on..., Tarzan on...,
Green Lantern on...). It's also very easy to figure out that the originals are NOT a closed timeloop. Again- to paint in very broad strokes: the world that was seen in PLANET and BENEATH occurred during the actual passage of (roughly) 2000 years. When Cornelius and Zira went back in time, that did not erase the aforementioned 2000 from actually happening (because if it did, they would have ceased to exist). Their presence in the modern day society of 1973 started a chain of events which ultimately brought about the fall of mankind, but it happened much faster than the first time. According to the oral history given by Cornelius in ESCAPE, the whole thing took about 500 years. BATTLE (in the same timeline as ESCAPE and CONQUEST) takes place- at the very least- around 2018 and honestly probably a little later than that. You can also easily make the case for the TV series taking place prior to PLANET and BENEATH and RETURN takes place in the ESCAPE/CONQUEST/BATTLE timeline (minus one
little date discrepancy that I'm still sorting out). I'm also going to pre-respond to two arguments that always come up: 1) "Cornelius and Zira were lying in ESCAPE". Wrong. These are fictional stories, but we still have to take things at face value. Had it been Dehn's intent that they were lying, that would have been revealed either sometime in ESCAPE, CONQUEST, or BATTLE. 2) "Paul Dehn himself said it was a closed timeloop" and/or "But in the second draft of (whatever sequel that's being discussed) it clearly states that (insert factoid that contradicts the current discussion)". As far as that goes, there's what Dehn **said** and then what Dehn **wrote** in the final version of the screenplay that was used for each of the sequels. If he wrote something that ultimately didn't appear in the films, you really can't logically use that as fodder for a "cannon" argument. Just as a point of reference, both the 3978/3955
and 3950 (Zira in BATTLE) inconsistencies can easily be explained without alternate universes, giant motherships, or other crazy fan theories. Just good old-fashioned, simple logic. Also as a point of reference, a certain, similarly themed film from 2001 fits NOWHERE except for the .99 cent listings on eBay. I've written far, far more on this than I ever intended to, so I'm going to stop now. Chris L. <.html
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Message: 75843 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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That's probably a bit of a stretch. By that logic, Rise of the POTA stole
the title from G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, Fantastic Four: Rise of the
Silver Surfer, Hannibal Rising etc etc. I'm talking about thinly disguised
reworking of actual dialog from The Dark Knight Rises appearing in War for the
POTA.
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>As much as Dark Knight Rises stole the title from Rise of the
POTA (almost). <<
I wrote:
>>Also an (almost) literal copying of dialog from the end of The Dark
Knight Rises: https://youtu.be/tR5VA-VorZQ?t=19 https://youtu.be/0IFAqAIWD6g?t=123
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75844 |
From: James |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 75845 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlDammit, now I have to watch SNOWDEN.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2017 7:35 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Dylan Clark, the producer from "Rise" to "War", said recently: "Here's the cool thing for us: we look at the '68 movie and say, the gift of this series is knowing that's there because it's a journey toward that. It's not about getting there and redoing that. When you tell a story that's narratively about what happened it's a mind blower; the twist is that this is about us, that humanity failed itself, that humanity turned on itself. What's cool is knowing that that's already the end of the story, we are now in the story of how do we get from here to there? And that's a character story. Suddenly we have a giant Russian novel about apes, and chapter after chapter of great ape stories to take us on that trajectory. And it's not about getting there, it's about the journey there".
Matt Reeves on the references to the originals: "If you're a fan, as we all are, of the originals, it's in the same universe but these are new stories, and even the things that come out that are from those stories, they're not happening or meant to be happening in the same way. They're really just homages".
The rub is when we get further down the road it will be in the hands of new people who may decide it would be cool to legit connect to the original. Reeves is already on his way out and it looks like so is Clark, who left Chernin for his own company at Universal (and will also reportedly produce Reeves "Batman"). So who knows what Oliver Stone will do when he's announced this year? Fun Fact: Stone's latest movie "Snowden" dwells on a POTA t-shirt (Roddy in ape makeup wearing sunglasses) worn by the colleague who shows Snowden around the place where he does the deed. Interesting since POTA chimps have traditionally helped rebelled against the powers that be. After 25 years it's time 4 Stone to make his Ape movie.
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From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:27 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
The new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. They are a reboot. They are universally regarded as a reboot. Even Rick Jaffa, producer of all three films and screenwriter on the first two, said they were a reboot when asked the question directly in an interview.
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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Message: 75846 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html It's at the 1:21 mark. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 7:45 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Dammit, now I have to watch SNOWDEN.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Apr 9, 2017 7:35 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
Dylan Clark, the producer from "Rise" to "War", said recently: "Here's the cool thing for us: we look at the '68 movie and say, the gift of this series is knowing that's there because it's a journey toward that. It's not about getting there and redoing that. When you tell a story that's narratively about what happened it's a mind blower; the twist is that this is about us, that humanity failed itself, that humanity turned on itself. What's cool is knowing that that's already the end of the story, we are now in the story of how do we get from here to there? And that's a character story. Suddenly we have a giant Russian novel about apes, and chapter after chapter of great ape stories to take us on that trajectory. And it's not about getting there, it's about the journey there". Matt Reeves on the references to the originals: "If you're a fan, as we all are, of the originals, it's in the same universe but these are new stories, and even the things that come out that are from those stories, they're not happening or meant to be happening in the same way. They're really just homages".
The rub is when we get further down the road it will be in the hands of new people who may decide it would be cool to legit connect to the original. Reeves is already on his way out and it looks like so is Clark, who left Chernin for his own company at Universal (and will also reportedly produce Reeves "Batman"). So who knows what Oliver Stone will do when he's announced this year? Fun Fact: Stone's latest movie "Snowden" dwells on a POTA t-shirt (Roddy in ape makeup wearing sunglasses) worn by the colleague who shows Snowden around the place where he does the deed. Interesting since POTA chimps have traditionally helped rebelled against the powers that be. After 25 years it's time 4 Stone to make his Ape movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, April 3, 2017 2:27 PM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
The new films are really not meant to be direct prequels to the original film. They are a reboot. They are universally regarded as a reboot. Even Rick Jaffa, producer of all three films and screenwriter on the first two, said they were a reboot when asked the question directly in an interview.
They're slaves in Zira and Cornelius' history in "Escape" too, so they were slaves in the original/first uprising which led to the eventual "planet of the apes" we see in the first film... Whether people like it or not, slavery is the history of their origins: It's canon...
These new films may be "prequels" in the sense that they may end up leading to films that depict an ape ruled world similar to what we seen in "Planet" and "Beneath", but it will *not* be the same world we seen in the original films... There's just too much different...
People that like the new films should like them on their own merits, not because they're being played up as "prequels" to the original films... If they can't be enjoyed on their own, what good are they?
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Message: 75847 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlI have one of those T-Shirts.
And now I too have to watch Snowden (but it was on my watch list already). Dario |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75848 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html "Dawn" is about flipping a switch like the original POTA is about spaceship trouble. The switch is flipped half way through the movie. Sorry that's all you get out of it. Nu Apes isn't perfect, but neither were the originals. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 9:28 PM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
I've been avoiding the urge to chime in on this conversation because I've already done so- at length- in the past, so I'm not going to write out the same stuff all over again. To paint in very broad strokes however, the problem with trying to sort out ANY cannon related question- and bear in mind this is coming from someone who truly dislikes both RISE (to many clever references and in-jokes plus overdependence on motion-capture to appease the ADD crowd) and DAWN (a two hour movie about flipping on a power switch)- is that the people behind this new trilogy have been wildly inconsistent in their statements. It was originally supposed to "lead to the world of the 1968 original" and- as such- a prequel trilogy. Then all of a sudden it's a rebooted/reimagined franchise, and the same people are making vague comments (about the second film) to the same questions that were asked about the first. But then more **clever** stuff like Alpha Omega get worked into the
third film, someone comes up with a "fan theory" that the same virus which mutated the apes in RISE/DAWN will **also** mutate the human army and give them the telekinetic abilities and physical disfigurement as seen with the Mutants from BENEATH, and all of a sudden people who were born in the last 20 year are arguing online about cannon/non-cannon and claiming that BENEATH takes place in an alternate universe because there's a pay phone in one scene and "When was the last time you saw a pay phone? lolz". Morons. Personally I'd just rather the new films be their own thing and separate from the five film and two television series, although you could make the argument that they're a prequel to PLANET and BENEATH because that particular history has never been explored. As opposed to the time **between** PLANET and BENEATH, which is becoming something of a lazy crutch for comic book writers (Star Trek on..., Tarzan on..., Green Lantern on...). It's also
very easy to figure out that the originals are NOT a closed timeloop. Again- to paint in very broad strokes: the world that was seen in PLANET and BENEATH occurred during the actual passage of (roughly) 2000 years. When Cornelius and Zira went back in time, that did not erase the aforementioned 2000 from actually happening (because if it did, they would have ceased to exist). Their presence in the modern day society of 1973 started a chain of events which ultimately brought about the fall of mankind, but it happened much faster than the first time. According to the oral history given by Cornelius in ESCAPE, the whole thing took about 500 years. BATTLE (in the same timeline as ESCAPE and CONQUEST) takes place- at the very least- around 2018 and honestly probably a little later than that. You can also easily make the case for the TV series taking place prior to PLANET and BENEATH and RETURN takes place in the ESCAPE/CONQUEST/BATTLE timeline (minus one little date discrepancy that
I'm still sorting out). I'm also going to pre-respond to two arguments that always come up: 1) "Cornelius and Zira were lying in ESCAPE". Wrong. These are fictional stories, but we still have to take things at face value. Had it been Dehn's intent that they were lying, that would have been revealed either sometime in ESCAPE, CONQUEST, or BATTLE. 2) "Paul Dehn himself said it was a closed timeloop" and/or "But in the second draft of (whatever sequel that's being discussed) it clearly states that (insert factoid that contradicts the current discussion)". As far as that goes, there's what Dehn **said** and then what Dehn **wrote** in the final version of the screenplay that was used for each of the sequels. If he wrote something that ultimately didn't appear in the films, you really can't logically use that as fodder for a "cannon" argument. Just as a point of reference, both the 3978/3955 and 3950 (Zira in BATTLE)
inconsistencies can easily be explained without alternate universes, giant motherships, or other crazy fan theories. Just good old-fashioned, simple logic. Also as a point of reference, a certain, similarly themed film from 2001 fits NOWHERE except for the .99 cent listings on eBay. I've written far, far more on this than I ever intended to, so I'm going to stop now. Chris L. <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75849 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html So is it a stretch that they stole dialogue from "Dark Knight Rises". "I'm coming for YOU" is as old as movies. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, April 9, 2017 8:06 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
That's probably a bit of a stretch. By that logic, Rise of the POTA stole the title from G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, Hannibal Rising etc etc. I'm talking about thinly disguised reworking of actual dialog from The Dark Knight Rises appearing in War for the POTA. >>As much as Dark Knight Rises stole the title from Rise of the POTA (almost). << <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75850 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlI agree that the C&Z were lying theory is wrong. They are telling the truth as they know it and taking a bit of pride in it. In a later scene Zira says to Cornelius that she is glad they told the truth, "We can't live with lies". That scene blows the theory to pieces.
One interesting thing about the 3978/3955 thing, in early versions of the Beneath script the date is 3975 (same date in the Planet script). Why it was changed to 3955 in the final version is a mystery. Maybe Franciscus has a problem with Ss. LOL
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <lawford42@...> wrote : 1) "Cornelius and Zira were lying in ESCAPE". Wrong.
Just as a point of reference, both the 3978/3955 and 3950 (Zira in BATTLE) inconsistencies can easily be explained without alternate universes, giant motherships, or other crazy fan theories. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75851 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlThe 3978/3955 thing will, unfortunately, will remain a mystery forever. John O'Callaghan has told me that in his research for his book, he could find no memo in the APJAC Collection at LMU that mentions the discrepancy. I guess they just did not catch it when they were writing, filming and finally editing BENEATH. It's something that could have easily been fixed in post-production with a simple dialogue loop from Franciscus, but I guess just no one was paying attention. Once it was there, I guess, they just went with 3955 for the rest of the series, and even in the dialogue in BATTLE it gets reduced again to 3950.
I don't mind it now because it's something that separates the original from its sequels.
Another thing that needs to be remembered about C&Z's story in ESCAPE is that the working title for the movie was "Secrets of the Planet of the Apes" and it was made without any idea that Fox would OK yet another APES movie. Every time APJAC made and then released an APES movie, it wasn't until Fox took a look at the returns did they decide if there would be another film, so what was said in ESCAPE was supposed to be "how it all came about."
It also needs to be remembered that the real reason CONQUEST is set only a couple decades after ESCAPE, and then BATTLE only a decade or so after CONQUEST, is NOT because history was supposed to work out that way -- as if Paul Dehn had it all planned like that from before he even wrote ESCAPE --, but because APJAC wasn't going to get budgets from cash-strapped Fox to set them further in the future and make them more expensive pictures. I assume most of you know that even Irwin Allen couldn't get all of the $5 Million he needed from Fox to make THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE, that's how tight the executives at Fox were in those early years of the seventies.
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From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 11, 2017 7:35 am
Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here!
I agree that the C&Z were lying theory is wrong. They are telling the truth as they know it and taking a bit of pride in it. In a later scene Zira says to Cornelius that she is glad they told the truth, "We can't live with lies". That scene blows the theory to pieces.
One interesting thing about the 3978/3955 thing, in early versions of the Beneath script the date is 3975 (same date in the Planet script). Why it was changed to 3955 in the final version is a mystery. Maybe Franciscus has a problem with Ss. LOL
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < lawford42@...> wrote :
1) "Cornelius and Zira were lying in ESCAPE". Wrong.
Just as a point of reference, both the 3978/3955 and 3950 (Zira in BATTLE) inconsistencies can easily be explained without alternate universes, giant mothers hips, or other crazy fan theories.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75852 |
From: haristas |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: O'Callaghan interview |
.htmlFor those interested, here's a recent interview with "Simians & Serialism" author John O'Callaghan.
http://www.asturscore.com/going-ape-with-john-o%E2%80%99callaghan/
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75853 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 4/11/2017 |
| Subject: Don Rickles RIP |
.htmlLegendary comedian Don Rickles died last week and I'm sure we are all saddened by his passing. Now what does Don Rickles have to do with POTA? Take a look: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/ACD.htm |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75854 |
From: peter_karsten63 |
Date: 4/12/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fan-made Comics |
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.html Hi James,
Thanks for the info.
Now I have the following:
POTA - Going Home (Part 1)
POTA - Begins (Part 1)
Beware the Beast
Beware the Beast 'Redux'
Return to Yesterday
The Secret Scrolls
Within the POTA
All the best for now.
PS: If there is anymore out there let me know. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75855 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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Yet the originals stand up to repeated viewings, and Nu Apes bored me to
tears. Literally all style, no substance.
BTW, that's ALL you got out of that entire posting? My (oft-stated) dislike
for DAWN?
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>Dawn is about flipping a switch like the original POTA is about
spaceship trouble. The switch is flipped half way through the movie. Sorry
thats all you get out of it. Nu Apes isnt perfect, but neither were the
originals <<<.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75856 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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jamesa1102 wrote:
>>I agree that the C&Z were lying theory is wrong. They are
telling the truth as they know it and taking a bit of pride in it. In a later
scene Zira says to Cornelius that she is glad they told the truth, "We can't
live with lies". That scene blows the theory to pieces. <<
I had always thought she meant lying about knowing Taylor because of how
humans were treated in the future and also that the Earth was incinerated
("They'd want to know if he was still alive."), but you easily could interpret
it the way you're talking about as well. Either way, they were clearly taking a
bit of pride when relaying the story during their interrogation at Camp
11.
haristas wrote:
>>Another thing that needs to be remembered about C&Z's story in
ESCAPE is that the working title for the movie was "Secrets of the Planet of the
Apes" and it was made without any idea that Fox would OK yet another APES movie.
Every time APJAC made and then released an APES movie, it wasn't until Fox took
a look at the returns did they decide if there would be another film, so what
was said in ESCAPE was supposed to be "how it all came about." It also
needs to be remembered that the real reason CONQUEST is set only a couple
decades after ESCAPE, and then BATTLE only a decade or so after CONQUEST, is NOT
because history was supposed to work out that way -- as if Paul Dehn had it all
planned like that from before he even wrote ESCAPE --, but because APJAC wasn't
going to get budgets from cash-strapped Fox to set them further in the future
and make them more expensive pictures. I assume most of you know that even Irwin
Allen couldn't get all of the $5 Million he needed from Fox to make THE POSEIDON
ADVENTURE, that's how tight the executives at Fox were in those early years of
the seventies. <<
Agreed, but that being said I have to believe that he at least made some
attempt at keeping the whole thing cohesive anytime he started work on a new
installment.
Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75857 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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jamesa1102 wrote:
>>One interesting thing about the 3978/3955 thing, in early versions
of the Beneath script the date is 3975 (same date in the Planet script). Why it
was changed to 3955 in the final version is a mystery. <<
haristas wrote:
>>The 3978/3955 thing will, unfortunately, will remain a mystery
forever. John O'Callaghan has told me that in his research for his book, he
could find no memo in the APJAC Collection at LMU that mentions the discrepancy.
I guess they just did not catch it when they were writing, filming and finally
editing BENEATH. It's something that could have easily been fixed in
post-production with a simple dialogue loop from Franciscus, but I guess just no
one was paying attention. Once it was there, I guess, they just went with 3955
for the rest of the series, and even in the dialogue in BATTLE it gets reduced
again to 3950 <<
From a storytelling POV, the easiest way to explain it is that the
chronometer in Taylor's ship was temporarily damaged/off kilter/whatever because
it crash landed in the water. Brent took the Earth time reading **before**
reentry (3955), and- when being questioned by Hasslein- that was the
date Zira said she saw on the chronometer (in Taylor's same ship) when they were
in space. So you could make a fairly simple argument that the chronometer in
Taylor's ship corrected itself after Cornelius, Zira, and Milo achieved orbit.
In other words, the same place Brent was when he took his reading. The
President also refers to 3955 as coming from the flight synthesizer and
the NASA scientists who are subjecting the spaceship to "microscopic
scrutiny". Plus- although the scene was filmed and deleted- 11/23/3955 is
also seen in the original opening (see James' reconstructed opening for
reference). That's the one consistent date- 3955. "3950" in BATTLE is just
a simple post-production audio looping error- plus Dehn was sick didn't have his
hands on BATTLE the way he did the other three sequels. BTW, the whole ANSA/NASA
thing doesn't make a bit of difference. They couldn't use the log in
the first two films but the President refers to them as NASA in ESCAPE, so
that's that. Also, Taylor and Brent clearly knew each other in BENEATH, so they
didn't come from different universes.
The practical explanation- of course- is that Paul Dehn didn't have a video
store to go rent PLANET at back in 1969 to watch for reference when writing
(what would eventually become) BENEATH. His only option to watch it back in
those days would have been an actual screening of the film. Come to think
of it, I'm not sure he ever left the UK during his involvement with any of the
sequels. Does anyone know if there's pictures of him on set anywhere?
Chris L. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 75858 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 4/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
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You should probably go back and rewatch the two clips. I'm not talking
about a **single** line of dialog, but rather the exchange between the
(respective) two characters in each of the films:
"So, you came back to..."
"No, I came back for..."
I honestly don't know how I can make that any clearer.
Chris L.
Jeff K (again):
>>So is it a stretch that they stole dialogue from Dark Knight
Rises. Im coming for YOU is as old as movies. <<
me (again):
>>That's probably a bit of a stretch. By that logic, Rise of the POTA
stole the title from G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra, Fantastic Four: Rise of
the Silver Surfer, Hannibal Rising etc etc. I'm talking about thinly disguised
reworking of actual dialog from The Dark Knight Rises appearing in War for the
POTA. <<
Jeff K. wrote: >>As much as Dark Knight Rises stole
the title from Rise of the POTA (almost). << I
wrote: >>Also an (almost) literal copying of dialog from the
end of The Dark Knight
Rises: https://youtu.be/tR5VA-VorZQ?t=19 https://youtu.be/0IFAqAIWD6g?t=123
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| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.htmlI've found that RISE and DAWN improve with repeated viewings, but they don't do anything for me that the original did and to a large extent still does.
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Yet the originals stand up to repeated viewings, and Nu Apes bored me to tears. Literally all style, no substance.
BTW, that's ALL you got out of that entire posting? My (oft-stated) dislike for DAWN?
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>Dawn is about flipping a switch like the original POTA is about spaceship trouble. The switch is flipped half way through the movie. Sorry thats all you get out of it.
Nu Apes isnt perfect, but neither were the originals <<
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.html.html Paul Dehn stayed with the Jacobs when he was in town writing the scripts. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
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>>One interesting thing about the 3978/3955 thing, in early versions of the Beneath script the date is 3975 (same date in the Planet script). Why it was changed to 3955 in the final version is a mystery. <<
>>The 3978/3955 thing will, unfortunately, will remain a mystery forever. John O'Callaghan has told me that in his research for his book, he could find no memo in the APJAC Collection at LMU that mentions the discrepancy. I guess they just did not catch it when they were writing, filming and finally editing BENEATH. It's something that could have easily been fixed in post-production with a simple dialogue loop from Franciscus, but I guess just no one was paying attention. Once it was there, I guess, they just went with 3955 for the rest of the series, and even in the dialogue in BATTLE it gets reduced again to 3950 <<
From a storytelling POV, the easiest way to explain it is that the chronometer in Taylor's ship was temporarily damaged/off kilter/whatever because it crash landed in the water. Brent took the Earth time reading **before** reentry (3955), and- when being questioned by Hasslein- that was the date Zira said she saw on the chronometer (in Taylor's same ship) when they were in space. So you could make a fairly simple argument that the chronometer in Taylor's ship corrected itself after Cornelius, Zira, and Milo achieved orbit. In other words, the same place Brent was when he took his reading. The President also refers to 3955 as coming from the flight synthesizer and the NASA scientists who are subjecting the spaceship to "microscopic scrutiny". Plus- although the scene was filmed and deleted- 11/23/3955 is also seen in the original opening (see James' reconstructed opening for reference).
That's the one consistent date- 3955. "3950" in BATTLE is just a simple post-production audio looping error- plus Dehn was sick didn't have his hands on BATTLE the way he did the other three sequels. BTW, the whole ANSA/NASA thing doesn't make a bit of difference. They couldn't use the log in the first two films but the President refers to them as NASA in ESCAPE, so that's that. Also, Taylor and Brent clearly knew each other in BENEATH, so they didn't come from different universes.
The practical explanation- of course- is that Paul Dehn didn't have a video store to go rent PLANET at back in 1969 to watch for reference when writing (what would eventually become) BENEATH. His only option to watch it back in those days would have been an actual screening of the film. Come to think of it, I'm not sure he ever left the UK during his involvement with any of the sequels. Does anyone know if there's pictures of him on set anywhere?
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 4/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" trailer #2 is here! |
.html.html I've already put in my 2 cents that it doesn't matter what they say now, by the time they get to the point where it can connect to the originals it will be new people doing Nu Apes. There's a long way to go to reach the time of the original (unless someone new expedites it). I think "War" will conclude Caesar's story and the next director will move forward in time. I could see 3 trilogies: the current rise of the apes; a trilogy maybe 200 years later where the apes are in charge and humans can still talk but are under their thumb; and a third where humans are animals. Connect it or just riff on the original depending on who's doing them at that time. I think the common denominator of all of them will be Peter Chernin and Chernin Entertainment, as was Jacobs. He seems to have an eye for hiring good people.
Nu Apes stands up to repeated viewings for me, as do the originals. Substance rules! To each their own. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
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