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Group: pota Message: 76262 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76263 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76264 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76265 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76266 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76267 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76268 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: "War" with the Mummy
Group: pota Message: 76269 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76270 From: haristas Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: "War" with the Mummy
Group: pota Message: 76271 From: haristas Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76272 From: mlccougar Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the..
Group: pota Message: 76273 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76274 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/29/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the..
Group: pota Message: 76275 From: MarshallG Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76276 From: James Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 76277 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
Group: pota Message: 76278 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: watch POTA composer buy "POTA Archive: Vol. 1"
Group: pota Message: 76279 From: haristas Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
Group: pota Message: 76280 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/30/2017
Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
Group: pota Message: 76281 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 8/31/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
Group: pota Message: 76282 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: "War" is Fox's top summer movie
Group: pota Message: 76283 From: haristas Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie
Group: pota Message: 76284 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/1/2017
Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie
Group: pota Message: 76285 From: jamesa1102 Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76286 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76287 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: "War" box office = watching paint dry
Group: pota Message: 76288 From: haristas Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76289 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76290 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/3/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76291 From: mlccougar Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 76292 From: mlccougar Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 76293 From: James Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 76294 From: haristas Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76295 From: haristas Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76296 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/4/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76297 From: haristas Date: 9/5/2017
Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Group: pota Message: 76298 From: haristas Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: WAR Blu-ray announcement
Group: pota Message: 76299 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: Re: WAR Blu-ray announcement
Group: pota Message: 76300 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/7/2017
Subject: 1st deleted "War" scene from new blu-ray
Group: pota Message: 76301 From: James Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 76302 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide
Group: pota Message: 76303 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: Re: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide
Group: pota Message: 76304 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the..
Group: pota Message: 76305 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76306 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 9/10/2017
Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H
Group: pota Message: 76307 From: haristas Date: 9/11/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76308 From: haristas Date: 9/11/2017
Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H
Group: pota Message: 76309 From: haristas Date: 9/16/2017
Subject: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76310 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/16/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76311 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/16/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76312 From: pota@yahoogroups.com Date: 9/16/2017
Subject: Poll results for pota
Group: pota Message: 76313 From: mlccougar Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76314 From: haristas Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: RIP Jerry Pournelle
Group: pota Message: 76315 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: "War" cruises past Tom with over $400 million
Group: pota Message: 76316 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah!
Group: pota Message: 76317 From: haristas Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76318 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76319 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 9/17/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
Group: pota Message: 76320 From: mlccougar Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China [1 Attachment]
Group: pota Message: 76321 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76322 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: China openings
Group: pota Message: 76323 From: haristas Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah!
Group: pota Message: 76324 From: haristas Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: WAR in China
Group: pota Message: 76325 From: haristas Date: 9/18/2017
Subject: Re: China openings
Group: pota Message: 76326 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/19/2017
Subject: Apes beat Mummies
Group: pota Message: 76327 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/19/2017
Subject: Terminator's home video rentals and sales led to sequels
Group: pota Message: 76328 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/21/2017
Subject: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises
Group: pota Message: 76329 From: James Date: 9/21/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 76330 From: haristas Date: 9/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises
Group: pota Message: 76331 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/21/2017
Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises
Group: pota Message: 76332 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/22/2017
Subject: Are you game?
Group: pota Message: 76333 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/23/2017
Subject: Will "Jane" join "War" at the Oscars?
Group: pota Message: 76334 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/24/2017
Subject: China raises the "War" chest to $471 million worldwide
Group: pota Message: 76335 From: George Taylor Date: 9/24/2017
Subject: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwid
Group: pota Message: 76336 From: haristas Date: 9/24/2017
Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl
Group: pota Message: 76337 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/25/2017
Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl
Group: pota Message: 76338 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/25/2017
Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl
Group: pota Message: 76339 From: haristas Date: 9/25/2017
Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl
Group: pota Message: 76340 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/25/2017
Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl
Group: pota Message: 76341 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/26/2017
Subject: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road
Group: pota Message: 76342 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/26/2017
Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road
Group: pota Message: 76343 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/26/2017
Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road
Group: pota Message: 76344 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/27/2017
Subject: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Group: pota Message: 76345 From: James Date: 9/30/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"
Group: pota Message: 76346 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: "War" will "Rise"
Group: pota Message: 76347 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: "War" DID "Rise"
Group: pota Message: 76348 From: George Taylor Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: $500 million soon for War for the POTA! Meanwhile Catalonia needs
Group: pota Message: 76349 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Group: pota Message: 76350 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Group: pota Message: 76351 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars
Group: pota Message: 76352 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Group: pota Message: 76353 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Group: pota Message: 76354 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: Re: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dol
Group: pota Message: 76355 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/1/2017
Subject: In Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn only made around $12 millio
Group: pota Message: 76356 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/4/2017
Subject: Let's do lunch 50
Group: pota Message: 76357 From: haristas Date: 10/5/2017
Subject: Re: Let's do lunch 50
Group: pota Message: 76358 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/5/2017
Subject: How suite it is!
Group: pota Message: 76359 From: Dario Sciola Date: 10/5/2017
Subject: OT: Heston as Patton
Group: pota Message: 76360 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/6/2017
Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility
Group: pota Message: 76361 From: haristas Date: 10/6/2017
Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility



Group: pota Message: 76262 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
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"War" has some interesting turnabouts. Red is a donkey traitor but in the end saves Caesar; Preacher, the human Caesar lets live in the beginning, is the one who determines Caesar's fate in the end.

 

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From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 7:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Simian villain

 

 

I've noticed less screenings of WAR in my area (New Orleans) and I'm sure it will be leaving our theaters soon, but I've done my part taking family and friends to see it for at least six times and counting. Some critics argued that the movie might have done better if the apes had a stronger human protagonist to identify with then the mute girl, Nova.  I say, perhaps, the picture would have scored better box office with a stronger simian villain like Urses, Thade or Koba.

I thumbs up loved the new movie, but if I had to list its disappointments, my biggest would be the underdevelopment of Red, the gorilla character. We never truly understand why he would become a donkey and bring harm to his fellow apes. We know Red does not like Caesar's leadership because Caesar lacks the abilitiy to "fear humans," but his hatred of humans does not seem to run as deep as Urses or Koba. Does Red have a true admiration of the Colonel or is he just executing a "keep your enemies closer" type approach to the situation? If so, what are his plans for survival after Caesar's eventual defeat? Koba had a rich back story that was carried over from the previous film and was fleshed out further in the novelization and prequel novel. Red is a brand new character who was not in the previous movie. I have not read very far into the new novelization, but we don't get any of Red's thoughts and perspectives about the opening battle and his capture, so I'm not expecting the novel to reveal much, and Red and Winter's storyline in "revelations" prequel novel is not very large and lacks some insight. I like Red a lot. I just wish I knew more about him. 

 

 

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Group: pota Message: 76263 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
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I never read the Apeslayer story and was hoping they reprint that, even thought I hear it is worse than anything Malibu offered 
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Group: pota Message: 76264 From: Dario Sciola Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
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I've got most of the books that have come out over the years with just a few exceptions (like the "Serialism" book on the music score). Haven't ordered the archives but will probably get them at some point. I'm still trying to find out if they are in B/W or color so if someone has them please chime it.

Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought Pendreigh's book was the best of the bunch. Don't get me wrong, I love the Russo book as well but just thought the Pendreigh provided more insight in some area's and delved into some unexplored concepts .

Dario


Dario

On Mon, Aug 28, 2017 at 12:47 AM, lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Although it's nice to see these get the hardcover treatment, it's really hard to justify buying them again when I already own a complete set of the original Marvel magazines as well as Adventures on the POTA, plus all the different Adventure/Malibu Comics reprints of PLANET, BENEATH, ESCAPE, and TERROR. It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book, I don't think I've bought a book about POTA since 2002 when Amazon had all those nonfiction titles (Legend of the POTA, Chronicles, Unofficial Companion, Revisited) for a couple bucks each. Prior to that, it was both 'American Myth' and the Unofficial Guide to Collectibles' back in the 90's. Brian Pendreigh's books remains my personal favorite of the bunch, and the Collectibles guide remains the biggest disappointment as it spent far too much time on custom made items as opposed to merchandise actually made available to the general public.
Joey Tirado wrote:
>>They've put a teaser for a vol. 2 at the end, which will collect the Marvel story Beast on the POTA. Fingers crossed we get into Malibu soon. <<
According to the Amazon entry for Vol. 2 (https://www.amazon.com/ Planet-Apes-Archive-Vol-Beast/ dp/1684150493/ref=sr_1_2?s= books&ie=UTF8&qid=1503891921& sr=1-2&keywords=planet+of+the+ apes+archives), it's going to contain the Marvel adaptations of PLANET and BENEATH. Beast on the Planet of the Apes was actually the second of the two Kingdom on an Island of the Apes (Derek Zane) stories, and certainly not enough to fill a $50 hardcover book.
Aside from the reprints of the Marvel stuff, Urchak's Folly, and- to a lesser extent- Sins of the Father Blood of the Apes, anything original Malibu did needs to be hunted down and incinerated. Four words: ghost of Governor Break. Three more: Ape City miniseries. Awful, dreadful, stuff.
mgreythorne wrote:
>>It's been a big year of POTA books, the biggest I can recall with a flood of books. Whilst a lot are omnibus' of the old pocket books they are still a good way of widening the collection on the shelf <<
It's nice to see that the Omnibus series will (eventually) cover the four sequel adaptations as well as the paperbacks released in conjunction with both the live action series and RETURN, but I really have to question the inclusion of the Marky Mark adaptation in Volume 2. I'd guess that the original Boulle story was too cost prohibitive to license, and there obviously was never a paperback adaptation of the 1968 film, but why not just leave Volume 1 as BENEATH and ESCAPE, then Volume 2 as CONQUEST and BATTLE? I suspect that someone, somewhere has an agenda but also hope that I'm wrong. Anything related to the 2001 film is fruit from the poisoned tree, and neither the original novels (four, as I recall) nor the various Dark Horse books needs including is this (otherwise, outstanding) effort to bring older material back into print.
Chris L.



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Group: pota Message: 76265 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
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I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan.  I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)

Also, we are told (can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. 
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Group: pota Message: 76266 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
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looks like it is in black and white according to amazon pictures
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Group: pota Message: 76267 From: monkeymermaid65 Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A
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I'd loved to read a book on surrealism movie scores
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Group: pota Message: 76268 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: "War" with the Mummy
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I never thought it would come to this but War 4 the POTA's box office role model is the >pee-yew!< inducing "The Mummy". Exhibitor Relations just congratulated "The Mummy" for passing the "magic sequelizer number" of $400 million worldwide, thanx to it's friends in China.

$400 million? "War" can do that with one Tom Cruise tied behind it's back. If $400 million means a sequel, we've got this one in the bag. Plus "War" has been acclaimed, while critics had to hold their nose reviewing "The Mummy".

Sequel? Done!

Fun fact: the last time POTA went up against the Mummy was in 2001; "The Mummy Returns" got $433 million worldwide to POTA2001's $362 million.

 

collider.com/the-mummy-box-office-worldwide/

 

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Group: pota Message: 76269 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
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What's to understand? Both Red and Winter want to end up on the winning side, even if it's as slaves.

Red doesn't have a fascination with human technology, he just thinks that will allow the humans to win.

Both Red and Winter are motivated by fear, as are most of the Ape villains. Not because they are "bad", "evil", whatever. That's always been the asset of the POTA villains. We can identify with them.

"You're doing it out of fear, remember that. Remember that!... What are you afraid of, doctoooor?"

The director said the donkeys are the apes that sided with Koba. Not necessarily gorillas.

 

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From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 12:01 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Simian villain

 

 

I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan.  I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)

 

Also, we are told (can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. 

 

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Group: pota Message: 76270 From: haristas Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: "War" with the Mummy
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 Sequel? Done!
 
Trump's gonna kick you out of the country, Jeffery!  Because you're a "Dreamer."
 
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Group: pota Message: 76271 From: haristas Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
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These are the gorillas that will learn to eat meat from being amongst men.  They, or rather their ancestors, will be the "carnivorous gorillas" whose fossilized bones Cornelius finds in his diggings hundreds of years later.
 
 
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From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 3:04 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Simian villain

 
I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan.  I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)

Also, we are told ( can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. 
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Group: pota Message: 76272 From: mlccougar Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the..
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In a message dated 8/28/2017 4:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book,


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Group: pota Message: 76273 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/28/2017
Subject: Re: Simian villain
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I thought they all ate meat since they hunt in "Dawn". Growing brains need protein.

 

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:51 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Simian villain

 

 

These are the gorillas that will learn to eat meat from being amongst men.  They, or rather their ancestors, will be the "carnivorous gorillas" whose fossilized bones Cornelius finds in his diggings hundreds of years later.

 

 

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From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 3:04 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Simian villain

 

I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan.  I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)

 

Also, we are told ( can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. 

 

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Group: pota Message: 76274 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/29/2017
Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the..
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That would be "POTA and Philosophy".

 

opencourtbooks.com/books_n/planet_apes.htm

 

I still say we need a "The Science of POTA" book. That is a natural.

 

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From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 4:56 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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What is the title of the "philosophy" book you're referring to?




In a message dated 8/28/2017 4:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book,

 

 

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Book arrived today and cannot be happier.  A book dedicated to the whole storyline.

When these things are published there is always conjecture on whether they should be published as per the original comic, each comic page for page. This is a taste thing, depends what you prefer.

It’s well put together, pleased to see it has sewn binding too..

For me, this is fantastic and it will be resting on my chest as I read it in bed tonight.

I hope there’s a Vol 3, 4 …

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Group: pota Message: 76277 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/30/2017
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Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original).

"War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)?

There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock.

Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement".

Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more.

 

deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/

 

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Group: pota Message: 76278 From: Jeff K. Date: 8/30/2017
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Michael Giacchino (composer of "Dawn", "War") is living the dream, doing music for new movies based on his childhood favorites. He's done the new "Star Trek" movies, the new Spiderman, Apes of course, and wuz the first composer not named John Williams to do a "Star Wars" movie score ("Rogue One"). There's also his relationship with Pixar, which led to his Oscar for "Inside Out".

The video below is just Giacchino taking a break and buying comics, including "POTA Archive: Vol. 1".

 

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Group: pota Message: 76279 From: haristas Date: 8/30/2017
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I was just about to post this news so you cheerleaders here could start waving your pom-poms again.  Well, if Fox could get DOCTOR DOLITTLE nominated for Best Picture fifty years ago, they can certainly do it again with this one, but I'm not holding my breath.  One good thing, though, if it does get nominated and even if it doesn't win, which it most certainly wouldn't, it might get us another APES movie sooner rather than later.


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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 30, 2017 2:44 pm
Subject: [pota] Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar

 
 
  Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original).
  "War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)?
  There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock.
  Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement".
  Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more.
 
  deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/
 
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    Not so fast, cheerleader. A Best Pic nom didn't do much for another Mad Max.

     

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    From: Haristas@... [pota]
    Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:51 PM
    To: pota@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [pota] Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar

     

     

    I was just about to post this news so you cheerleaders here could start waving your pom-poms again.  Well, if Fox could get DOCTOR DOLITTLE nominated for Best Picture fifty years ago, they can certainly do it again with this one, but I'm not holding my breath.  One good thing, though, if it does get nominated and even if it doesn't win, which it most certainly wouldn't, it might get us another APES movie sooner rather than later.

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    Sent: Wed, Aug 30, 2017 2:44 pm
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      Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original).

      "War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)?

      There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock.

      Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement".

      Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more.

     

      deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/

     

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    Others here share your interest in Red's mentality and background.   A Red prequel, if potentially available on a budget, would be interesting.   :-)    As theaters decline in importance in the future and more folks watch their movies from home earlier in the release cycle than ever before, we might see more prequels emerge with smaller budgets.   Revive Red!   :-)

    Cheers from Houston (where times have been challenging, as the attached 2 photos show)...


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    Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes.

    As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive.

    But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result).

    Fox is set for the superhero era with 3 "X-Men" movies in 2018. Good luck to them and God have mercy on us.

     

    collider.com/summer-movies-box-office-explained-2017/

     

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    The weaker box office for WAR will in the end only mean that the next APES movie, whenever it comes, will be produced for far less than $150 Million, but, if that movie does enough at the box office, then its sequel will probably get a $150 Million budget, and round and round it goes.


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      Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes.
      As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive.
    But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result).
      Fox is set for the superhero era with 3 "X-Men" movies in 2018. Good luck to them and God have mercy on us.
     
      collider.com/summer-movies-box-office-explained-2017/
     
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      Nickel and diming it isn't the answer. Keep the quality up and make POTA a good time at the movies.

      Fox should try a different time of the year than at the tail end of summer when people have been blockbustered out. They give "X-Men" the choice release dates and that's not even their property.

      It's time for a scenario like the original where there's a human protagonist people can relate to and the apes rule and have clothes. That's what people expect from POTA. They did their art film and now it's time for good adventures with social commentary. But still well written.

      The POTA people have been waiting for.

       

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      From: Haristas@... [pota]
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      The weaker box office for WAR will in the end only mean that the next APES movie, whenever it comes, will be produced for far less than $150 Million, but, if that movie does enough at the box office, then its sequel will probably get a $150 Million budget, and round and round it goes.

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      To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:20 am
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        Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes.

        As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive.

      But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result).

        Fox is set for the superhero era with 3 "X-Men" movies in 2018. Good luck to them and God have mercy on us.

       

        collider.com/summer-movies-box-office-explained-2017/

       

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      Pre-ordered War on Blu-Ray. Amazon emailed this morning to with the 'estimated arrival date' of October 24th. So it looks like the home video release date is less is set.

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      Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.

      But I'd definitely prefer an October release.

      I wonder if they'll provide any extras for those willing to buy all 3 again in a "trilogy" set?

      And if Fox has any plans for the 50th anniversary?

       

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      From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
      Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 7:25 AM
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      Pre-ordered War on Blu-Ray. Amazon emailed this morning to with the 'estimated arrival date' of October 24th. So it looks like the home video release date is less is set.

       

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      "War 4 the POTA" added about $6 million worldwide to it's box office for a total of $366 million.

      That's pretty much it until China makes or breaks it in 2 weeks ("Dunkirk" hit their beaches this weekend).

      Now that North Korea has the H-bomb an ape-ocalypse might play well there.

      The "War" is over 4 now.

       

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        Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.
        WTF?  Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!!

        October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray.

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        That ape-pears to be the case but it's still not official. When does it arrive on digital download, smarty? Huh?

        How many extras? Huh? Huh?

        Will there be a version inside a Woody Harrelson head? Huh?

        People have jumped the gun before. If 10/24 is the date I'm delighted. But as George Bush Sr. probably said, "Prudence is required at this juncture".

         

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        Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.

        WTF?  Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!!

         

        October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray.

         

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        But it would be a good idea to release it in October to get a head start on Xmas gifts.

        So the receiver can say, "Oh, thank you! You know, I meant to see this in the theater but I never did".

        You and the whole world, Bozo!

        We should all write to Fox and tell them to release it in October.

         

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        From: Haristas@... [pota]
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        Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.

        WTF?  Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!!

         

        October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray.

         

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        .html.htmlYeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...

        As far as a trilogy pack, who knows... I do know Walmart has a two pack of RISE/DAWN on standard DVD (not sure if they had it on Blu-Ray) and it was also available on UHD (or whatever the newest flash in the pan title is).







        In a message dated 9/3/2017 10:30:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

        Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.

          But I'd definitely prefer an October release.

          I wonder if they'll provide any extras for those willing to buy all 3 again in a "trilogy" set?



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        .html.htmlI hope they do, and I hope it includes more than just reissuing the 35th Anniversary DVD release with a "50th Anniversary" title attached to it.




        In a message dated 9/3/2017 10:30:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

        And if Fox has any plans for the 50th anniversary?



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        That ape-pears to be the case but it's still not official. When does it arrive on digital download, smarty? Huh?
           How many extras? Huh? Huh?
           Will there be a version inside a Woody Harrelson head? Huh?
          People have jumped the gun before. If 10/24 is the date I'm delighted. But as George Bush Sr. probably said, "Prudence is required at this juncture".

        Yeah, you're gone.


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        Yeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...
        Fox just wants to "trump" the pirates.



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        Fox has already lost to whatever pirates there are. It's available as soon as someone can film it off a screen.

        October sounds too soon but we'll see.

         

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        Yeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...

        Fox just wants to "trump" the pirates.

         

         

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         October sounds too soon but we'll see.
        From: http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/090117-1430

        In announcement news today, while we don't have the official press release yet, it appears that 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment has just set War for the Planet of the Apes for release on Blu-ray, Blu-ray 3D, DVD, and 4K Ultra HD on 10/24 (SRP $34.99, $29.99, $29.99, and $39.99, respectively). Also coming that day is the  Planet of the Apes Trilogy box set on Blu-ray and 4K Ultra HD (SRP $49.99 and $69.99).  As soon as the official details are revealed, we'll update this post.

        So, there you go.  They simply haven't announced the details (extras, etc.) yet, but the release date is SET!


         
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        Now it's official, Mr. Jeffery Krueger!

        http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22034

        Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced that it will release on 4K Blu-ray,3D Blu-ray , and Blu-ray director Matt Reeves' blockbuster War for the Planet of the Apes  (2017), starring Andy Serkis, Woody Harrelson, Steve Zahn, Judy Greer, and Karin Konoval. The three releases will be available for purchase on October 24. 

        In addition to the War for the Planet of the Apes standalone edition, the  Planet of the Apes Trilogy will also be available on October 24. From green-eyed infant ape to hardened warrior to leader of his kingdom, re-live the the spectacular sci-fi adventure that begins when a failed experiment gives a baby chimpanzee human-like intelligence, but also creates a virus that nearly destroys mankind. When Caesar's ape community is discovered by a small band of humans, both species must battle to survive. Ultimately, after suffering unimaginable losses, Caesar resolves to avenge his kind, pitting him against a human army in an epic showdown that will determine the future of the planet. Packed with thrilling action and mind-blowing visual effects, this must-own series is hailed as "one of the greatest trilogies in movie history!" (Scott Mantz, Access Hollywood).

        Special Features:
        • Deleted Scenes with Optional Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
          • Graveyard
          • Turncoats
          • Barrier Wall
          • "I Owe You One"
          • "A Great Man"
          • "Do Not Lose Hope"
          • Snowfall
          • The Colonel's Speech
          • Malcolm and the Dinosaurs
          • "I Am Like Koba"
        • Featurettes:
          • "Waging War for the Planet of the Apes" – In-depth documentary on the making of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
          • "All About Caesar"
          • "WETA: Pushing Boundaries"
          • "Music for Apes"
          • "Apes: The Meaning of it All"
          • "The Apes Saga: An Homage"
        • Concept Art Gallery
        • Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
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        Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle!

        Seems early to me but I'm not complaining.

        Some of those special feature titles sound like we're going to get our 50th anniversary stuff on "War".

         

         

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        Now it's official, Mr. Jeffery Krueger!

         

        http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22034

         

        Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced that it will release on 4K Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, and Blu-ray director Matt Reeves' blockbuster War for the Planet of the Apes  (2017), starring Andy Serkis, Woody Harrelson, Steve Zahn, Judy Greer, and Karin Konoval. The three releases will be available for purchase on October 24. 

        In addition to the War for the Planet of the Apes standalone edition, the 
        Planet of the Apes Trilogy  will also be available on October 24. From green-eyed infant ape to hardened warrior to leader of his kingdom, re-live the the spectacular sci-fi adventure that begins when a failed experiment gives a baby chimpanzee human-like intelligence, but also creates a virus that nearly destroys mankind. When Caesar's ape community is discovered by a small band of humans, both species must battle to survive. Ultimately, after suffering unimaginable losses, Caesar resolves to avenge his kind, pitting him against a human army in an epic showdown that will determine the future of the planet. Packed with thrilling action and mind-blowing visual effects, this must-own series is hailed as "one of the greatest trilogies in movie history!" (Scott Mantz, Access Hollywood).

        Special Features:

        • Deleted Scenes with Optional Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
          • Graveyard
          • Turncoats
          • Barrier Wall
          • "I Owe You One"
          • "A Great Man"
          • "Do Not Lose Hope"
          • Snowfall
          • The Colonel's Speech
          • Malcolm and the Dinosaurs
          • "I Am Like Koba"
        • Featurettes:
          • "Waging War for the Planet of the Apes" – In-depth documentary on the making of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
          • "All About Caesar"
          • "WETA: Pushing Boundaries"
          • "Music for Apes"
          • "Apes: The Meaning of it All"
          • "The Apes Saga: An Homage"
        • Concept Art Gallery
        • Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves

         

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        Yahoo has posted an exclusive deleted scene from "War" as Fox officially announces a n October 24 release date 4 "War 4".

         

        yahoo.com/movies/war-planet-apes-exclusive-watch-deleted-scene-home-release-coming-october-130029524.html

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76302 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/10/2017
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        Another groaner of a week as the "War 4 the POTA" box office clicked up another couple notches.

        An estimated $369 million worldwide (it didn't even have the dignity of hitting $370).

        BUT next week is China and we should be seeing some action. "Dawn" did $107 million there and we have to assume "War" will do less like it has mostly everywhere else (perhaps "Dawn" just had more eye candy in the trailers and that's what sold it?).

        So China should push it past $400 million next week. If it doesn't, "War" is in big trouble (in Little China?).

        $500 million is grasping at straws but on the off chance that "War" is even bigger than "Dawn" in China and also does well in Japan next month, eh…maybe.

        Once again "War" will be following Spidey, who swung in this week (he's over $800 million worldwide so he's doing swell). Spidey does whatever a spider can but Caesar can go mano a mano with Woody Harrelson so there's still a chance.

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76303 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/10/2017
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        Thanks Jeff.    In looking on the bright side, who here thought (20 years ago) that we'd be disappointed around this time because the 4th profitable movie installment to our beloved Apes franchise during the 21st Century made its money back (marketing included) prior to being released on the silver screen in China, Japan and someday Iran etc.   Fox still has at least another hundred million to make off of War for the POTA in terms of Blu-Ray, DVD, toy, cable and ordinary television revenues, not to mention pay-per-download.   Plus, the prior releases (dating back to nearly 50 years) have new life in them, thanks to War for the POTA.

        Sequels reportedly make around 70% of what the originals make.   If Rise of the POTA is considered the original, then War's right on target even when adjusting for inflation.  Dawn broke free from that 70% tendency, perhaps because home movie RENTALS of Rise helped make a lot of new fans out of Caesar who didn't see Rise on the big screen.  It would have been nice to see War for the POTA make 70% of what Dawn did.   It still might, at least when unadjusted for inflation.

        NEWSFLASH:   global revenues (unajusted for inflation) for POTA are now available at the bottom here:


        Things could be MUCH worse.   Lost In Space only had one movie version come out (cerca 1998), and it didn't make its money back:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=lostinspace.htm

         Likewise, John Carter (of Mars) lost a considerable amount of money.

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=johncarterofmars.htm

        Star Wars keeps succeeding but Ishtar (Wars) sure didn't:


        Alien's franchise has done well, but it's hardly as deep as POTA.   Meanwhile, can you see how badly Alien: Covenant performed, when adjusted for inflation?

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=alien.htm

        The Joker character killed a lot of movie-goers in Colorado a few years ago, and movie-going just isn't as appealing as it used to be.   It's been great seeing POTA succeed during this century, but it'd be even more great if we can avoid wearing out the franchise's welcome (a la Stargate).

        Cheers from post-Harvey Houston...   :-)

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        Planet of the Apes and Philosophy: Great Apes Think Alike:
        Meh. Worth a read, but you're not going to come across any deep insight you haven't already figured out on your own.
        Chris L.
        mlccougar wrote:
        >>What is the title of the "philosophy" book you're referring to?
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        monkeymermaid65 wrote:
        >>I never read the Apeslayer story and was hoping they reprint that,
        even thought I hear it is worse than anything Malibu offered<
        Lol!! That's debatable, but the material they originally pillaged for the Apeslayer story (Killraven/War of the Worlds) is solid and definitely worth searching out.
        lmcdasc wrote:
        >>I've got most of the books that have come out over the years with
        just a few exceptions (like the "Serialism" book on the music score). <<
        **facepalm** I purchased that one as well, and am embarrassed at having forgot that I did because I was in regular contact with the author at the time. My bad John!
        lmcdasc wrote:
        >> Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought Pendreigh's book was
        the best of the bunch. Don't get me wrong, I love the Russo book as well but just thought the Pendreigh provided more insight in some area's and delved into
        some unexplored concepts. <<
        That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about things I have never heard of before. Plus no post-publishing self-aggrandizing to the effect of "This book is WIDELY considered by apes fans to be the DEFINITIVE book on the entire Planet of the Apes phenomena!!". If other people make comments like that it's one thing, but if you start making unsubstantiated declarations about your own book then I'd have to question why.
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        A lot of the geographical issues have to do with both pre and post-production decisions. In just about every adaptation I've read (Marvel Comics, Power Records, and- I believe- the paperback novelization), Taylor & Nova are approaching the ruins of NYC and that's when the illusions start. In the movie, they're just trekking through the desert. The other issue is that the scene of the army looking upon the ruins of Manhattan never appeared in ANY version of the screenplay and was cobbled together last minute from existing footage to serve as a pacing device when some of the other scenes ended up being edited together differently. Again- in the original screenplay- the scene with the bleeding Lawgiver occurs after the mass, and once the illusion disappears Dr. Zaius discovers an entrance to the underground city. This is why Don Pedro Colley's character is absent from the "We've no defense" scene- he was already dead by that point. Also, that scene itself was cut into two sections and inserted at two different points in the film: after the bleeding Lawgiver and before the army seeing Manhattan (ending with "Adults to the cathedral; infants indoors."), and then after the army starts entering the same cave that Brent & Nova did (starts with "What will you do, Holiness?"). It was originally written as one full scene towards the end of the story once it became clear that the army had discovered a way to the underground city. Just FYI: at the end of the first scene, the same reaction shot of Mendez was inserted at the end of the film and made it appear that he was looking up to the bomb when he was actually looking up to the projection of the army. Which also explains why the purple part of his outfit (robe? sash?) is gone so quickly and that he goes from standing to kneeling so quickly
        So in the same film, we have both a great use of matte paintings (underground Manhattan) and a very poor one because it was literally created last minute and only meant to be see for a second or two.
        Chris L.
        haristas wrote:
        >>The matte painting of the ruins of Manhattan in BENEATH is from the
        Brooklyn side of the East River (one of many geographic errors in BENEATH since the ape army would have approached Manhattan from the west or Jersey side, but we just have to live with it). The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge in the lower left of the painting is plainly seen. The East River is dried up, and so we can assume most of New York Harbor has receded as well. The ruins of The Statue of Liberty would be off to the left of the matte painting along a new eroded shoreline to the Atlantic Ocean. The cave where Cornelius had his diggings would be located along the shore further south of that. I believe that the scene where Taylor and Nova see the Mutant's illusions are on the dried up bed of New York Harbor. It would have been nice if there had been added in the distance a hazy matte painting of the ruined New York skyline, but such was the crazy production of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. The main title sequence of BENEATH makes it look as if Taylor and Nova on horseback wandered around quite a ways after finding the statue ruins, but as with many things in BENEATH, this makes little sense. BENEATH is truly a mess. <<


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        That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about things I have never heard of before.
        There's much more stuff I never heard of in John O'Callaghan's "Simians & Serialism" thanks to him doing a much more exhaustive dig through the Jacobs archives at Loyola Marymount University and the Franklin J. Schaffner Collection at Franklin and Marshall College than Pendreigh or anyone else did.  He's currently working on another book, too.



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        Group: pota Message: 76308 From: haristas Date: 9/11/2017
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        This is why I always say, "BENEATH is a mess."  Because it truly is, and they were lucky it came together as well as it did.  The editors should have gotten an Oscar nomination.


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        To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Sun, Sep 10, 2017 4:53 pm
        Subject: [pota] Re: Ocean levels &quot;sank&quot; before Beneath and POTA &#39;68, H

         
        A lot of the geographical issues have to do with both pre and post-production decisions. In just about every adaptation I've read (Marvel Comics, Power Records, and- I believe- the paperback novelization), Taylor Nova are approaching the ruins of NYC and that's when the illusions start. In the movie, they're just trekking through the desert. The other issue is that the scene of the army looking upon the ruins of Manhattan never appeared in ANY version of the screenplay and was cobbled together last minute from existing footage to serve as a pacing device when some of the other scenes ended up being edited together differently. Again- in the original screenplay- the scene with the bleeding Lawgiver occurs after the mass, and once the illusion disappears Dr. Zaius discovers an entrance to the underground city. This is why Don Pedro Colley's character is absent from the "We've no defense" scene- he was already dead by that point. Also, that scene itself was cut into two sections and inserted at two different points in the film: after the bleeding Lawgiver and before the army seeing Manhattan (ending with "Adults to the cathedral; infants indoors."), and then after the army starts entering the same cave that Brent Nova did (starts with "What will you do, Holiness?"). It was originally written as one full scene towards the end of the story once it became clear that the army had discovered a way to the underground city. Just FYI: at the end of the first scene, the same reaction shot of Mendez was inserted at the end of the film and made it appear that he was looking up to the bomb when he was actually looking up to the projection of the army. Which also explains why the purple part of his outfit (robe? sash?) is gone so quickly and that he goes from standing to kneeling so quickly
         
        So in the same film, we have both a great use of matte paintings (underground Manhattan) and a very poor one because it was literally created last minute and only meant to be see for a second or two.
         
         
        Chris L.
         
         
         
         
        haristas wrote:
         
        >>The matte painting of the ruins of Manhattan in BENEATH is from the Brooklyn side of the East River (one of many geographic errors in BENEATH since the ape army would have approached Manhattan from the west or Jersey side, but we just have to live with it). The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge in the lower left of the painting is plainly seen. The East River is dried up, and so we can assume most of New York Harbor has receded as well. The ruins of The Statue of Liberty would be off to the left of the matte painting along a new eroded shoreline to the Atlantic Ocean. The cave where Cornelius had his diggings would be located along the shore further south of that. I believe that the scene where Taylor and Nova see the Mutant's illusions are on the dried up bed of New York Harbor. It would have been nice if there had been added in the distance a hazy matte painting of the ruined New York skyline, but such was the crazy production of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. The main title sequence of BENEATH makes it look as if Taylor and Nova on horseback wandered around quite a ways after finding the statue ruins, but as with many things in BENEATH, this makes little sense. BENEATH is truly a mess. <<


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        I don't know why "Rona" Krueger hasn't already reported this, but WAR opened very strong in China on Friday with a $20 Mill box office take.

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/15/box-office-spider-man-plunges-85-in-china-apes-strong-with-20m-friday/#311c8cc94cab
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        Apes and China together strong!

         

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        From: Haristas@... [pota]
        Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:19 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [pota] WAR in China

         

         

        I don't know why "Rona" Krueger hasn't already reported this, but WAR opened very strong in China on Friday with a $20 Mill box office take.

         

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/15/box-office-spider-man-plunges-85-in-china-apes-strong-with-20m-friday/#311c8cc94cab

         

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        Thanks for the news, Haristas.   It'll be interesting to see if Japan & China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm
         
        It will be very hard to do, but it's not out of the question...   

        Either way, War's a box office success.  Not as great as we'd like, admittedly.   But we have much for which to be thankful.   Our franchise has already endured half a century.   :-)

        A refreshing weekend to all, from Houston...   :-)
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        Group: pota Message: 76313 From: mlccougar Date: 9/17/2017
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        .html.htmlIt'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...




        In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

        Thanks for the news, Haristas.  It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm



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        He wrote the novelization of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, which I think from a prose standpoint is the best written of all the sequel novelizations.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/obituaries/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-novelist-and-computer-guide-dies-at-84.htmlemc=edit_th_20170917&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54765500
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        Group: pota Message: 76315 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/17/2017
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        Apes dug it's way to China and I dig it. With an estimated $60 + million opening it is now at $433 million worldwide, wrapping up Tom Cruise's "The Mummy". Will it get to $500 million and make "Boss Baby" cry, becoming Fox's #2 of the year (behind "Logan")?

         

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        More needed good news for War's box office: it is Fox's all-time best China opening ever with $62 million.

        Who's having Chinese for dinner tonight?

         

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        It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...

        DVD?!!!!   How early 21st century.


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        Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.

         

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        From: mlccougar@... [pota]
        Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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        It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...




        In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

        Thanks for the news, Haristas.  It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm

         

         

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        I was referring to the two books released in the 90's and four that came out in the early aughties. It'll be interesting to see what the next book John O'Callaghan is writing ends up being about.
        Chris L.
        haristas wrote:
        >>There's much more stuff I never heard of in John
        O'Callaghan&# 39;s "Simians & Serialism" thanks to him doing a much more exhaustive dig through the Jacobs archives at Loyola Marymount University and the Franklin J. Schaffner Collection at Franklin and Marshall College than Pendreigh or anyone else did. He's currently working on another book, too. <<
        I wrote:
        >>That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about
        things I have never heard of before. <<



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        Group: pota Message: 76320 From: mlccougar Date: 9/18/2017
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        .html.htmlTrue enough, but it (box office and home video) all counts towards the final tally of profitability... I do think it's going to take the home video market to push it over the five hundred million mark...




        In a message dated 9/17/2017 2:07:05 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


        Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.

         

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        From: mlccougar@... [pota]
        Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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        It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...




        In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


        Thanks for the news, Haristas.  It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm









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        I think between China and Japan it will reach $500 million.

        China made it the #1 movie worldwide of the week.

         

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        From: mlccougar@... [pota]
        Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:10 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China

         

         

        True enough, but it (box office and home video) all counts towards the final tally of profitability... I do think it's going to take the home video market to push it over the five hundred million mark...




        In a message dated 9/17/2017 2:07:05 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:


        Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.

         

        Sent from Mail for Windows 10

         

        From: mlccougar@... [pota]
        Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China


         



        It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...




        In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:



        Thanks for the news, Haristas.  It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm






         

         

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        Here's a handy dandy list of how movies have opened in China. They haven't added "War" yet but it was Fox's #1 opening there ever with $62 million so that puts it at # 27 all-time.

        The best opening there ever wuz this year's "Fate of the Furious" with $185 million opening. Boy, "War" could've used that. They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses.

        "Dawn" opened to $47 million and ultimately did $107 million there. Maybe that's a gauge.

         

        boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/opening

         

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        More needed good news for War's box office: it is Fox's all-time best China opening ever with $62 million.
          Who's having Chinese for dinner tonight?


        Yeah, thank the Lawgiver for the Chinese.  WAR opened bigger in China than it did here in the U.S.  And I did have Chinese food for dinner last night.

        HOWEVER.... it still looks like WAR isn't going to make the grosses that RISE did, and so I still say that it'll be five to seven years before another APES movie and it'll be made for around $100 Mill or less.
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        Group: pota Message: 76324 From: haristas Date: 9/18/2017
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        Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.
        Yeah, home video sales don't get rolled into the theatrical box office grosses for films by the studios.  Home Video is its "own" thing.

        HOWEVER..... if a movie does really well in its home video sales, it often induces a studio or producer to consider a sequel.



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        They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses.
        Oh, the irony of you saying that, Krueger!  Was I not mocked by you when I thought the next APES movie could be more like MAD MAX?










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          Here's a handy dandy list of how movies have opened in China. They haven't added "War" yet but it was Fox's #1 opening there ever with $62 million so that puts it at # 27 all-time.
          The best opening there ever wuz this year's "Fate of the Furious" with $185 million opening. Boy, "War" could've used that. They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses.
          "Dawn" opened to $47 million and ultimately did $107 million there. Maybe that's a gauge.
         
        boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/opening
         
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        To celebrate "War 4 the POTA" beating Tom Cruise's "The Mummy" at the worldwide box office, here's the Mummies performing their smash hit (maybe?) "You Must Fight To Live On the POTA".

        Hit it, boys!

         

        www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZuIU99wrw

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76327 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/19/2017
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        Terminator's home video rentals and sales, post-1984, led to sequels and even helped propel a new aspiring governor of California to perform a Total Recall.   Terminator, itself, didn't do that well at the box office:


        Meanwhile, the latest Terminator (Genisys) had enough movie ticket sales in China to supposedly lead to still more sequels that otherwise wouldn't have been made due to lackluster sales elsewhere.  

        War for the POTA has been a refreshing conclusion to the Caesar trilogy which has lured in many new fans of all ages.

        We endured decades in the abyss (1980s & 1990s) but have been blessed during the new century.   

        Cheers from (post-Harvey) Houston

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        Variety spoke with Stacy Snider on her first anniversary running Fox.

        Though she didn't bring up Apes, they are still high on their franchises (even the underperforming "Alien") as long as they stay fresh: "The franchises we make still need to be original" (so the next "Predator" is set in suburbia). So Apes should be safe, just fresh.

         

        variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/

         

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        'War for the Planet of the Apes' swings big in China with $61.3 million in ticket sales

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        Well, all I can say to this is great, so now go and make another trilogy of APES movies that explore some of the prehistories (meaning before the time of the Lawgiver and the writing of the Sacred Scrolls) and put some clothes on the apes and give them full articulation, and let your imagination go wild.  WAR ends only around thirty years into the future and there's another seven to eight hundred years to the time of the Lawgiver.  Lots of time to play with. Will they do that?  Lawgiver knows. 


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          Variety spoke with Stacy Snider on her first anniversary running Fox.
          Though she didn't bring up Apes, they are still high on their franchises (even the underperforming "Alien") as long as they stay fresh: "The franchises we make still need to be original" (so the next "Predator" is set in suburbia). So Apes should be safe, just fresh.
         
        variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/
         
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        A sufficient quantity of people would pay to see that, though?   We would, of course, but...
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        "Planet of the Apes: The Last Frontier", a video game from Andy Serkis and his Imaginarium company, hits this fall. Just sayin'.

        Takes place between "Dawn" and "War" with a new set of characters.

        In this interview from yesterday (9/20) at a game convention he wuz asked if there will be more Ape movies and he said there's lots of room before the original movie for more stories and he still loves the franchise so he'd be interested.

        He still wants to direct a movie based on the classic "Animal Farm" but updated with modern concerns. And his "Jungle Book" movie finally hits next year.

        Asked what movie role he would've loved to play, he picked Travis Bickle (De Niro in "Taxi Driver").

         

        eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-21-watch-andy-serkis-talks-acting-and-his-planet-of-the-apes-game

        planetoftheapesgame.com

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76333 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/23/2017
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        If Fox's nefarious plot to get "War 4 the POTA" a seat at the Oscars works, might it be joined by an acclaimed new documentary about Jane Goodall? "Jane" uses unseen footage thought lost to tell about Goodall's early days teaching us about chimpanzees (around the time the original POTA wuz being developed).

        Oscar talk is already happening for it so it might be a good time for the Oscars to go ape, on the double!

         

        deadline.com/2017/09/jane-trailer-jane-goodall-documentary-brett-morgen-video-1202175201/

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76334 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/24/2017
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        With China's help, "War" is just $10 million away from passing the "Rise" worldwide total of $481 million. So it won't be the lowest Nu Ape movie.

        Oh, are you smiling? Well, cut it out. Even the new horror movie "It" has passed "War", because Americans have no taste (they did elect Donald Trump, after all). "War" is a disappointment but thanx to the Chinese it will save face and the Apes will live to fight another day.

        Now go back to your Kardashian news, Americans.

         

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        @migos:
             Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwide, like Jeff has long predicted?   Even without a Japan release yet, War's already less than $30 million from the mark:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm

        Dawn of the POTA reportedly took in over $12 million in Japan a few years ago.   Meanwhile, the China release still has some legs to it, after becoming Fox's biggest grand opening ever there (unadjusted for inflation, I presume).   Perhaps Kim Jong Un (aka "Rocket Man") has been of help?   Folks want to forget their worries, but also take the apocalypse more seriously when "what-if-ing".  

        Go Caesar, go!   :-)

        At any rate, doesn't it seem that War will catch Rise on a GLOBAL scale?   (albeit UNadjusted for inflation):

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=planetoftheapes.htm

        Our franchise lives on, and thrive$!   :-)

        Admittedly Fox only gets around 25% of Chinese sales for War... but it was China that nevertheless made future Terminator sequels likely despite lackluster U.S. sales:

        http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=terminator2015.htm



        Sayonara & Zaijian from post-Harvey Houston...

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        Our franchise lives on

        If it's our franchise, where's my cut?
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        If they ever find the "pregnant Nova" scene and put it back in, that can be your cut.

         

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        From: Haristas@... [pota]
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        Our franchise lives on

         

        If it's our franchise, where's my cut?

         

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        We can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.  

        Remember those Mendez chronicles?    They answered so many previously unanswered questions.   Interesting, fun stuff.  :-)

        But would the prequel make money?    
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        We can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.  

        Remember those Mendez chronicles?    They answered so many previously unanswered questions.   Interesting, fun stuff.  :-)

        But would the prequel make money?  
        What's with this obsession with making money?  Is that what it all means to you?  And it's PLANET OF THE APES, not Planet of the Human Mutants.  Spare me anything the franchise has already done.  Leave repeating itself, chasing its own tail, to the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises.  May the Planet of the Apes franchise EVOLVE!



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        Group: pota Message: 76340 From: Jeff K. Date: 9/25/2017
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        You should be obsessed with making money too if you get a cut!

         

        Considering "It" has already passed "War" worldwide, maybe the mutants would be a good idea.

        Horror, bro! I've got one word for you: plastic.

         

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        From: Haristas@... [pota]
        Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 AM
        To: pota@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [pota] Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwide?

         

         

         

        We can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.  

        Remember those Mendez chronicles?    They answered so many previously unanswered questions.   Interesting, fun stuff.  :-)

         

        But would the prequel make money?  

        What's with this obsession with making money?  Is that what it all means to you?  And it's PLANET OF THE APES, not Planet of the Human Mutants.  Spare me anything the franchise has already done.  Leave repeating itself, chasing its own tail, to the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises.  May the Planet of the Apes franchise EVOLVE!

         

         

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        On 10/20/17 Michael Giacchino will throw a concert/50th birthday party at Abbey Road Studios (think the Beatles walking across the street). He's also inviting a few of his friends, like "Apes" director Matt Reeves, "Alias"/"Star Trek" director J.J. Abrams, a "Lost" producer and more Pixar directors than you can shake a stick at (he won the Oscar for "Inside Out").

        There'll be a whole lot of going Ape 4 daze before the "War 4" blu ray hits.

         

        ew.com/movies/2017/09/25/jj-abrams-matt-reeves-michael-giacchino-birthday-concert/

         

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        Group: pota Message: 76342 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 9/26/2017
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        He has composed some fine music, not just for Apes but also for the 2009ish rebooting of Star Trek.   

        Thanks for sharing that news, Jeff.
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          Fun fact:

          Matt Reeves and J.J. Abrams started out together, from repairing Spielberg's home movies as teenagers to creating the show "Felicity" to Abrams producing Matt's first 2 movies ("The Pallbearer", "Cloverfield").

          In the last decade they've done the lion share of 3 trilogies bringing the sci-fi biggies of the 60's/70's back to the big screen.

           

          2009 – "Star Trek" (J.J.) - Giacchino

          2011 – "Rise of the POTA" (Rupert Wyatt) – Patrick Doyle

          2013 – "Star Trek Into Darkness" (J.J.) - Giacchino

          2014 – "Dawn of the POTA" (Matt) - Giachinno

          2015 – "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" (J.J.) – John Williams

          2016 – "Star Trek Beyond" (Justin Lin) - Giacchino

          2017 – "War For the POTA" (Matt) - Giacchino

          2017 – "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" (Rian Johnson) – John Williams

          2019 – "Star Wars Episode 9" (J.J.) – John Williams (hopefully)

           

          They did two movies for each of the trilogies. As Sesame Street would say: "Two!"

          Both "Dawn" and "Force Awakens" feature the main villain with an injured left side in the final fight.

          Well, I'll be! Quite a decade.

           

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          From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
          Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:32 PM
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          He has composed some fine music, not just for Apes but also for the 2009ish rebooting of Star Trek.   

           

          Thanks for sharing that news, Jeff.

           

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          IMHO, Matt Reeves is far better than J.J. Abrams.   Matt Reeves pursues bringing actual stories to the big screen, judging from his Apes involvement.   J.J. Abrams, on the other hand, focuses heavily on the superficial and then alleges racism when folks wonder why he went down certain alleys with purported storylines.   I'm wondering if I'll ever watch any more Star Wars movies that that pot-boilermaker directs.    Rogue One was NOT directed by J.J. Abrams, and it was pretty good at times.   I'm still trying to figure out if Episode 7 (of Star Wars) had any redeeming value.   J.J. Abrams actually made destroying a death star "tired".   Hopefully he'll never get particularly involved with the POTA franchise.   

             
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          "planet of the apes"

          Daily update â‹… September 30, 2017

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          'War for the Planet of the Apes' FOX Sued Over Video Game It's War for $3 Mil

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          FOX royally screwed a gaming company out of millions by sabotaging their video game for "War for the Planet of the Apes," so now it wants a refund ...

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          Group: pota Message: 76346 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/1/2017
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          OK. So China lifted "War" to $474 million worldwide. With Japan it should pass "Rise of the POTA"'s $481 million and not be the lowest of the NU Apes. $500 million is possible, making it Fox's #2 of the year after "Logan" (and I don't think they have anything coming up to surpass it).

          A disappointing total but a tough movie to be popular and still one of Fox's biggest franchises.

          From what I understand, the first week of October is a holiday in China and the movies are full of Chinese big guns so it's assumed "War" won't do much more there. We'll see.

           

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          Ooops! "War 4 the POTA" actually did reach $481 million worldwide. It is now tied with "Rise of the POTA" and will definitely pass it when the final accounting is done.

          "War" will definitely not pass "Dawn" so it is the middle child in the Caesar trilogy.

           

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          Group: pota Message: 76348 From: George Taylor Date: 10/1/2017
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          Nearly $500 million in War for the POTA box office revenues nowadays!


          http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=planetoftheapes16.htm

          Jeff K. predicted that long ago..


          Meanwhile Catalonia needs Caesar, doesn't it?   This (and other) scene(s) of Madrid's oppression this weekend vs. the Catalonian seceder referendum is soooo reminiscent of Conquest of the POTA, agreed?

          https://twitter.com/jgasol/status/914564137803550722




          For the latest news on the Catalonian uprising:

          https://www.facebook.com/secederdotcom/posts/1843333449014235


          Independence movements together.... strong!   :-)

          http://www.seceder.com/   

          Greetings from Houston...







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          Group: pota Message: 76349 From: totellthetruth42 Date: 10/1/2017
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          Although I didn't mind The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams dumbed-down Star Trek to accommodate the ADHD crowd in 2009, then did a remake that no one asked for, and THEN handed the third film over to a director from those Furiously Fast driving movies. It didn't do well financially, which was doubly bad because it was released during the 50th anniversary of the franchise (kind of like if the Tim Burton POTA 2K1 travesty had been released in 2018). The writing was on the wall when Simon Pegg said that he was working on revising the script to make it "less Star Treky" and after the film's release it came out that Karl Urban really had no interest in doing the film. Plus there was a recent article where he said that he's fine if there's isn't a fourth one. He also took a massive dump all over the Mission: Impossible franchise with the third installment (which he both directed and co-wrote), but that's an entirely separate conversation. Chris L.
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          Good or bad, Trek has no legs overseas (unlike Apes) so I think the features are done. It's back on TV.

          I see J.J. as an entertainer like Spielberg. I enjoyed his first Trek, the second was bad and the third was just more of the same. A big reason for J.J.'s success is his eye for casting. The cast lifts up his movies and TV shows. He also has a go for broke attitude about stories. Some dislike that but it makes for compulsive watching ("Lost", etc.). He didn't really have a big hit until "Star Wars".

          Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.

           

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          From: lawford42@... [pota]
          Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 12:44 PM
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          Although I didn't mind The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams dumbed-down Star Trek to accommodate the ADHD crowd in 2009, then did a remake that no one asked for, and THEN handed the third film over to a director from those Furiously Fast driving movies. It didn't do well financially, which was doubly bad because it was released during the 50th anniversary of the franchise (kind of like if the Tim Burton POTA 2K1 travesty had been released in 2018). The writing was on the wall when Simon Pegg said that he was working on revising the script to make it "less Star Treky" and after the film's release it came out that Karl Urban really had no interest in doing the film. Plus there was a recent article where he said that he's fine if there's isn't a fourth one. He also took a massive dump all over the Mission: Impossible franchise with the third installment (which he both directed and co-wrote), but that's an entirely separate conversation. Chris L.

           

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          Synopsis:  War still lags $40 million (globally) behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, and excluding the China syndrome, too...

           
             Box office comparisons between War and Rise unfortunately aren't adjusted for inflation, so the two are presently tied merely in inflation-unadjusted dollars...   At the bottom here is the current list of global revenues for the latest Apes movies, unadjusted for inflation:



          According to this calculator:

          https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

          War for the POTA needs to surpass $521 million at the box office to tie Rise in inflation-adjusted global revenues.   

          Further complicating matters for War, in China Rise only made just over $30 million:



          China only gives Fox around 25% of revenues, and over 3 times more of War's revenues are from China than Rise's were....

          Still, at least War will surpass the psychological half a billion dollar barrier.   Sequels tend to make only around 70% of what the originals make, or so I read a quarter of a century ago when Batman Returns (the 2nd installment) came out.    Either way, our franchise is a $UCCE$$.   :-)

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          >>>>Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.<<<


          How do you believe that Reeves hurt War for the POTA?    By taking 3 years?   I actually liked the extra year of rest.   Folks get fatigued with too much of a good thing.   
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          "War" is a downer for people, especially the ending. Even if they like it it's not a movie they want to see again right away.

          The big suck-cesses are the rides people want to climb back on again.

          Reeves stuck to his guns and made a piece of art but that hurts the bottom line.

           

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          From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
          Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 2:59 PM
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          >>>>Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.<<<


          How do you believe that Reeves hurt War for the POTA?    By taking 3 years?   I actually liked the extra year of rest.   Folks get fatigued with too much of a good thing.   

           

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            These days sequels are supposed to make more.

            "War" could still surpass $521 million if Japan does good.

             

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            From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
            Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 2:56 PM
            To: pota@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [pota] War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, excluding the China syndrome...

             

             

             
            Synopsis:  War still lags $40 million (globally) behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, and excluding the China syndrome, too...

             
               Box office comparisons between War and Rise unfortunately aren't adjusted for inflation, so the two are presently tied merely in inflation-unadjusted dollars...   At the bottom here is the current list of global revenues for the latest Apes movies, unadjusted for inflation:

             



            According to this calculator:

            https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl

            War for the POTA needs to surpass $521 million at the box office to tie Rise in inflation-adjusted global revenues.   

             

            Further complicating matters for War, in China Rise only made just over $30 million:

             

             

             

            China only gives Fox around 25% of revenues, and over 3 times more of War's revenues are from China than Rise's were....

             

            Still, at least War will surpass the psychological half a billion dollar barrier.   Sequels tend to make only around 70% of what the originals make, or so I read a quarter of a century ago when Batman Returns (the 2nd installment) came out.    Either way, our franchise is a $UCCE$$.   :-)

             

             

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            Group: pota Message: 76355 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/1/2017
            Subject: In Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn only made around $12 millio
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            In Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn subsequently made only around $12 million...

            Still, either figure (or an average) makes it easier for China to help War reach $521 million...    
             
            Markie Mark's 2001 version did well in Japan but then again, one of the (Thade-hating) gorillas was played by a Japanese actor.   

            Either way, the $500 million mark is well within range for War, and that's very pleasant news for an unpleasant (but necessary) movie.    

            I wonder if what Caesar and crew endured in War was enough for their Lawgiver eventually to write Beware the beast man, alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed.   Yeh he would murder his brother to possess his brother's land.   Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death...

            Or might there be more on the horizon to further embitter the apes?   If so, what?

            Greetings from Houston and Viva Catalonia, which toppled Madrid's cops today in true Conquest of the POTA-style...


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            Group: pota Message: 76356 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/4/2017
            Subject: Let's do lunch 50
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            Today would have been Charlton Heston's 94th birthday and 50 years ago, on his 44th birthday, he had lunch with Franklin Schaffner. The director told him he was almost done with his cut of "Apes" and would show it to Arthur Jacobs the next week.

            On that day, Heston mused about birthdays: "they're now occasions I try to ignore as long as possible".

             

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            Group: pota Message: 76357 From: haristas Date: 10/5/2017
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            Too bad Schaffner didn't want Heston for PATTON.  I think Chuck could have pulled it off as well as Scott did under Schaffner's direction.


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            From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
            To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 7:53 pm
            Subject: [pota] Let's do lunch 50

             
             
              Today would have been Charlton Heston's 94th birthday and 50 years ago, on his 44th birthday, he had lunch with Franklin Schaffner. The director told him he was almost done with his cut of "Apes" and would show it to Arthur Jacobs the next week.
              On that day, Heston mused about birthdays: "they're now occasions I try to ignore as long as possible".
             
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            Group: pota Message: 76358 From: Jeff K. Date: 10/5/2017
            Subject: How suite it is!
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            Michael Giacchino tweeted that he will premiere a "War 4 the POTA" suite at his 50th birthday concert Oct. 20 at Royal Albert Hall. Sounds like a great bash.

            Hopefully it will be filmed (there's going to be a lot of talented filmmakers there) and released somehow.

             

            royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2017/michael-giacchino-at-50/

             

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            Group: pota Message: 76359 From: Dario Sciola Date: 10/5/2017
            Subject: OT: Heston as Patton
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            Hmmm. As good an actor as Heston was, Scott was just as good and in this particular case I thought Scott was a better fit. Although he technically refused the Oscar, he did win it for this role and with good reason.


            Dario

            On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 8:50 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

            Too bad Schaffner didn't want Heston for PATTON. I think Chuck could have pulled it off as well as Scott did under Schaffner's direction.


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            From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
            To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
            Sent: Wed, Oct 4, 2017 7:53 pm
            Subject: [pota] Let's do lunch 50

            Today would have been Charlton Heston's 94th birthday and 50 years ago, on his 44th birthday, he had lunch with Franklin Schaffner. The director told him he was almost done with his cut of "Apes" and would show it to Arthur Jacobs the next week.
            On that day, Heston mused about birthdays: "they're now occasions I try to ignore as long as possible".
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            Group: pota Message: 76360 From: georgetaylor68 Date: 10/6/2017
            Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility
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            At least Jerry Goldsmith got to participate in Patton, and show how versatile his soundtrack-composing skillset is.   It's so different from what he produced for Planet of the Apes....  
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            Group: pota Message: 76361 From: haristas Date: 10/6/2017
            Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility
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            At least Jerry Goldsmith got to participate in Patton, and show how versatile his soundtrack-composing skillset is.   It's so different from what he produced for Planet of the Apes.... 
            Some here may not know this, but Goldsmith started work on BENEATH before Schaffner pulled him off it to do PATTON, and there's a theory that some of what Goldsmith first developed for his approach to BENEATH survives in the PATTON score.  More on this subject to come later....



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