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| Group: pota |
Message: 76262 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76263 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76264 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76265 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76266 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76267 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76268 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: "War" with the Mummy |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76269 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76270 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" with the Mummy |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76271 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76272 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the.. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76273 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76274 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the.. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76275 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76276 |
From: James |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76277 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76278 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: watch POTA composer buy "POTA Archive: Vol. 1" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76279 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76280 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76281 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76282 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is Fox's top summer movie |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76283 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76284 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76285 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76286 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76287 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: "War" box office = watching paint dry |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76288 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76289 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76290 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76291 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76292 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76293 |
From: James |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76294 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76295 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76296 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76297 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76298 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/7/2017 |
| Subject: WAR Blu-ray announcement |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76299 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR Blu-ray announcement |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76300 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/7/2017 |
| Subject: 1st deleted "War" scene from new blu-ray |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76301 |
From: James |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76302 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76303 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76304 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the.. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76305 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76306 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76307 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76308 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76309 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76310 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76311 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76312 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Poll results for pota |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76313 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76314 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: RIP Jerry Pournelle |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76315 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: "War" cruises past Tom with over $400 million |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76316 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76317 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76318 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76319 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76320 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76321 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76322 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: China openings |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76323 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76324 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76325 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: China openings |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76326 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/19/2017 |
| Subject: Apes beat Mummies |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76327 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/19/2017 |
| Subject: Terminator's home video rentals and sales led to sequels |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76328 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76329 |
From: James |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76330 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76331 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76332 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2017 |
| Subject: Are you game? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76333 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2017 |
| Subject: Will "Jane" join "War" at the Oscars? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76334 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: China raises the "War" chest to $471 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76335 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwid |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76336 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76337 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76338 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76339 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76340 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76341 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76342 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76343 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76344 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/27/2017 |
| Subject: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76345 |
From: James |
Date: 9/30/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76346 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" will "Rise" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76347 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" DID "Rise" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76348 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: $500 million soon for War for the POTA! Meanwhile Catalonia needs |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76349 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76350 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76351 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76352 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76353 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76354 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dol |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76355 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: In Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn only made around $12 millio |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76356 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/4/2017 |
| Subject: Let's do lunch 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76357 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Let's do lunch 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76358 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: How suite it is! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76359 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: OT: Heston as Patton |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76360 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76361 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76262 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
.html.html "War" has some interesting turnabouts. Red is a donkey traitor but in the end saves Caesar; Preacher, the human Caesar lets live in the beginning, is the one who determines Caesar's fate in the end. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 I've noticed less screenings of WAR in my area (New Orleans) and I'm sure it will be leaving our theaters soon, but I've done my part taking family and friends to see it for at least six times and counting. Some critics argued that the movie might have done better if the apes had a stronger human protagonist to identify with then the mute girl, Nova. I say, perhaps, the picture would have scored better box office with a stronger simian villain like Urses, Thade or Koba.
I thumbs up loved the new movie, but if I had to list its disappointments, my biggest would be the underdevelopment of Red, the gorilla character. We never truly understand why he would become a donkey and bring harm to his fellow apes. We know Red does not like Caesar's leadership because Caesar lacks the abilitiy to "fear humans," but his hatred of humans does not seem to run as deep as Urses or Koba. Does Red have a true admiration of the Colonel or is he just executing a "keep your enemies closer" type approach to the situation? If so, what are his plans for survival after Caesar's eventual defeat? Koba had a rich back story that was carried over from the previous film and was fleshed out further in the novelization and prequel novel. Red is a brand new character who was not in the previous movie. I have not read very far into the new novelization, but we don't get any of Red's thoughts and perspectives about the opening battle and his
capture, so I'm not expecting the novel to reveal much, and Red and Winter's storyline in "revelations" prequel novel is not very large and lacks some insight. I like Red a lot. I just wish I knew more about him. <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76263 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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.html I never read the Apeslayer story and was hoping they reprint that, even thought I hear it is worse than anything Malibu offered <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76264 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
.htmlI've got most of the books that have come out over the years with just a few exceptions (like the "Serialism" book on the music score). Haven't ordered the archives but will probably get them at some point. I'm still trying to find out if they are in B/W or color so if someone has them please chime it.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought Pendreigh's book was the best of the bunch. Don't get me wrong, I love the Russo book as well but just thought the Pendreigh provided more insight in some area's and delved into some unexplored concepts . Dario
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76265 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan. I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)
Also, we are told (can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76266 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76267 |
From: monkeymermaid65 |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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.html I'd loved to read a book on surrealism movie scores <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76268 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: "War" with the Mummy |
.html.html I never thought it would come to this but War 4 the POTA's box office role model is the >pee-yew!< inducing "The Mummy". Exhibitor Relations just congratulated "The Mummy" for passing the "magic sequelizer number" of $400 million worldwide, thanx to it's friends in China. $400 million? "War" can do that with one Tom Cruise tied behind it's back. If $400 million means a sequel, we've got this one in the bag. Plus "War" has been acclaimed, while critics had to hold their nose reviewing "The Mummy". Sequel? Done!
Fun fact: the last time POTA went up against the Mummy was in 2001; "The Mummy Returns" got $433 million worldwide to POTA2001's $362 million. collider.com/the-mummy-box-office-worldwide/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76269 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
.html.html What's to understand? Both Red and Winter want to end up on the winning side, even if it's as slaves. Red doesn't have a fascination with human technology, he just thinks that will allow the humans to win. Both Red and Winter are motivated by fear, as are most of the Ape villains. Not because they are "bad", "evil", whatever. That's always been the asset of the POTA villains. We can identify with them. "You're doing it out of fear, remember that. Remember that!... What are you afraid of, doctoooor?"
The director said the donkeys are the apes that sided with Koba. Not necessarily gorillas. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan. I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.) Also, we are told (can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps. <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76270 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" with the Mummy |
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Trump's gonna kick you out of the country, Jeffery! Because you're a "Dreamer."
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76271 |
From: haristas |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Simian villain |
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These are the gorillas that will learn to eat meat from being amongst men. They, or rather their ancestors, will be the "carnivorous gorillas" whose fossilized bones Cornelius finds in his diggings hundreds of years later.
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From: monkeymermaid65@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Aug 28, 2017 3:04 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Simian villain
I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan. I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his circle of advisers.)
Also, we are told (
can't remember where) that the donkeys are a mostly gorilla constituent of apes who were loyal to Koba. Besides the movie poster, Red and Winter are the only gorilla donkeys I see, with the rest being chimps.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76272 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 8/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the.. |
.html.html .htmlWhat is the title of the "philosophy" book you're referring to?
In a message dated 8/28/2017 4:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book,
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Date: 8/28/2017 |
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.html.html I thought they all ate meat since they hunt in "Dawn". Growing brains need protein. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 2:51 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Simian villain
These are the gorillas that will learn to eat meat from being amongst men. They, or rather their ancestors, will be the "carnivorous gorillas" whose fossilized bones Cornelius finds in his diggings hundreds of years later.
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I know Red is a big player in Revelations, but I still feel they don't provide enough information about him. I don't want to give to much away for those who have not read it yet, but Red and Winter's storyline is pale when compared with the one for Blue Eyes. We can kind of grasp why Winter is disappointed to let down the Gorilla Guard even when they are loyal to Koba and he to Luka (Caesar), but I dont remember Red having a fasinaton with human weapon technology. Not to say it's not in there, with apes' fear of the warship cannons playing a key part in Red's overthrow plan. I'm not saying I hated Revelations or that particular storyline. I thought it was a great read. I'm just disappointed that the opportunity to develop the Red character to its fullest was not used. (Or Winter also. He comes across as so cowardly and confused its a wonder why Caesar ever let him in his
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/29/2017 |
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.html.html That would be "POTA and Philosophy". opencourtbooks.com/books_n/planet_apes.htm I still say we need a "The Science of POTA" book. That is a natural. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 4:56 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the... What is the title of the "philosophy" book you're referring to?
In a message dated 8/28/2017 4:59:26 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
It got me thinking though that aside from the 2014 hardcover (The Evolution) and the 2013 (ahem) "philosophy" book,
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Date: 8/30/2017 |
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.html.html Book arrived today and cannot be happier. A book dedicated to the whole storyline.
When these things are published there is always conjecture on whether they should be published as per the original comic, each comic page for page. This is a taste thing, depends what you prefer.
It’s well put together, pleased to see it has sewn binding too..
For me, this is fantastic and it will be resting on my chest as I read it in bed tonight.
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From: James |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
.html.html Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original). "War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)?
There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock. Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement". Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more. deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/ Sent from Mail
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: watch POTA composer buy "POTA Archive: Vol. 1" |
.html.html Michael Giacchino (composer of "Dawn", "War") is living the dream, doing music for new movies based on his childhood favorites. He's done the new "Star Trek" movies, the new Spiderman, Apes of course, and wuz the first composer not named John Williams to do a "Star Wars" movie score ("Rogue One"). There's also his relationship with Pixar, which led to his Oscar for "Inside Out". The video below is just Giacchino taking a break and buying comics, including "POTA Archive: Vol. 1". collider.com/michael-giacchino-interview-incredibles-2/ Sent from
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From: haristas |
Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
.htmlI was just about to post this news so you cheerleaders here could start waving your pom-poms again. Well, if Fox could get DOCTOR DOLITTLE nominated for Best Picture fifty years ago, they can certainly do it again with this one, but I'm not holding my breath. One good thing, though, if it does get nominated and even if it doesn't win, which it most certainly wouldn't, it might get us another APES movie sooner rather than later.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Aug 30, 2017 2:44 pm
Subject: [pota] Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original).
"War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)?
There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock.
Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement".
Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more.
deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/
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Date: 8/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar |
.html.html Not so fast, cheerleader. A Best Pic nom didn't do much for another Mad Max. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 12:51 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
I was just about to post this news so you cheerleaders here could start waving your pom-poms again. Well, if Fox could get DOCTOR DOLITTLE nominated for Best Picture fifty years ago, they can certainly do it again with this one, but I'm not holding my breath. One good thing, though, if it does get nominated and even if it doesn't win, which it most certainly wouldn't, it might get us another APES movie sooner rather than later.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 30, 2017 2:44 pm Subject: [pota] Fox will push hard for a "War" Best Picture Oscar
Will "War 4 the POTA" become the first sci-fi Best Picture winner ever? Yes, if Fox and producer Peter Chernin have anything to do with it. They are planning to mount an Oscar campaign like nothing POTA has ever seen before (just in time 4 the 50th anniversary of the original).
"War" has a lot going for it, including the common feeling the other movies were robbed for Best FX and the perennial question of whether Andy Serkis deserves an Oscar. The Academy has just added many new members who are younger, minorities, etc. to get more viewpoints. The traditional view that the Oscars are old and stodgy might no longer apply. Will Apes pull a "Lord of the Rings" (a great trilogy that didn't get the Oscar love it deserved until # 3 won Best Picture)? There's a reason no sci-fi movie has won (they are looked down upon) and so it is a long shot. But even a nomination(s) would rock.
Chernin: "I'm incredibly proud of this movie… (it's) an extraordinary movie… I believe that if people take the time to really look at the quality of filmmaking, this is an extraordinary achievement". Despite it's box office woes, Fox is proud of "War" and Chernin sez it is "likely" there will be more.
deadline.com/2017/08/Oscars-fox-best-picture-war-for-the-planet-of-the-apes-1202158378/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 8/31/2017 |
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.htmlOthers here share your interest in Red's mentality and background. A Red prequel, if potentially available on a budget, would be interesting. :-) As theaters decline in importance in the future and more folks watch their movies from home earlier in the release cycle than ever before, we might see more prequels emerge with smaller budgets. Revive Red! :-)
Cheers from Houston (where times have been challenging, as the attached 2 photos show)...
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is Fox's top summer movie |
.html.html Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes. As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive. But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result).
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie |
.htmlThe weaker box office for WAR will in the end only mean that the next APES movie, whenever it comes, will be produced for far less than $150 Million, but, if that movie does enough at the box office, then its sequel will probably get a $150 Million budget, and round and round it goes.
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Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:20 am
Subject: [pota] "War" is Fox's top summer movie
Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes.
As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive.
But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result).
Fox is set for the superhero era with 3 "X-Men" movies in 2018. Good luck to them and God have mercy on us.
collider.com/summer-movies-box-office-explained-2017/
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/1/2017 |
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.html.html Nickel and diming it isn't the answer. Keep the quality up and make POTA a good time at the movies. Fox should try a different time of the year than at the tail end of summer when people have been blockbustered out. They give "X-Men" the choice release dates and that's not even their property. It's time for a scenario like the original where there's a human protagonist people can relate to and the apes rule and have clothes. That's what people expect from POTA. They did their art film and now it's time for good adventures with social commentary. But still well written. The POTA people have been waiting for. Sent from
Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Friday, September 1, 2017 8:50 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is Fox's top summer movie
The weaker box office for WAR will in the end only mean that the next APES movie, whenever it comes, will be produced for far less than $150 Million, but, if that movie does enough at the box office, then its sequel will probably get a $150 Million budget, and round and round it goes.
-----Original Message----- From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 11:20 am Subject: [pota] "War" is Fox's top summer movie
Labor Day tends to be considered the end of summer, so it's time to tally up the summer movies. It was a disappointing summer for pretty much everyone except the superheroes.
As has been said, "War 4" underperformed compared to "Rise" and "Dawn" and the expectation that the momentum would keep going up, not down. But with almost everybody down and the tricky subject matter, it may survive. But it was Fox's top movie at the box office this summer (by far). That's not saying much but it did better than popular franchises like "Alien" and "Diary of a Wimpy Kid" (not taking into consideration cost vs. result). Fox is set for the superhero era with 3 "X-Men" movies in 2018. Good luck to them and God have mercy on us.
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From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
.htmlPre-ordered War on Blu-Ray. Amazon emailed this morning to with the 'estimated arrival date' of October 24th. So it looks like the home video release date is less is set. <.html
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
.html.html Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement. But I'd definitely prefer an October release. I wonder if they'll provide any extras for those willing to buy all 3 again in a "trilogy" set? And if Fox has any plans for the 50th anniversary? Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 7:25 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Just got a notice from Amazon about War Pre-ordered War on Blu-Ray. Amazon emailed this morning to with the 'estimated arrival date' of October 24th. So it looks like the home video release date is less is set. <.html <.html
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: "War" box office = watching paint dry |
.html.html "War 4 the POTA" added about $6 million worldwide to it's box office for a total of $366 million. That's pretty much it until China makes or breaks it in 2 weeks ("Dunkirk" hit their beaches this weekend). Now that North Korea has the H-bomb an ape-ocalypse might play well there. The "War" is over 4 now. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.
WTF? Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!!
October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray.
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Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
.html.html That ape-pears to be the case but it's still not official. When does it arrive on digital download, smarty? Huh? How many extras? Huh? Huh? Will there be a version inside a Woody Harrelson head? Huh? People have jumped the gun before. If 10/24 is the date I'm delighted. But as George Bush Sr. probably said, "Prudence is required at this juncture". Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.
WTF? Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!! October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray. <.html <.html
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/3/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
.html.html But it would be a good idea to release it in October to get a head start on Xmas gifts. So the receiver can say, "Oh, thank you! You know, I meant to see this in the theater but I never did". You and the whole world, Bozo! We should all write to Fox and tell them to release it in October. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, September 3, 2017 12:30 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War
Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.
WTF? Krueger, are you sure you haven't caught what Woody caught in WAR?!!!! October 24th IS the official release date, and here's what the Blu-ray/DVD/digital combo edition looks like, and yes, there will be a trilogy package, as well as one in 4K UHD Blu-ray. <.html <.html
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War [1 Attachment] |
.html.html .htmlYeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...
As far as a trilogy pack, who knows... I do know Walmart has a two pack of RISE/DAWN on standard DVD (not sure if they had it on Blu-Ray) and it was also available on UHD (or whatever the newest flash in the pan title is).
In a message dated 9/3/2017 10:30:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Both previous movies hit video in December so I'd take that with a grain of salt until the official announcement.
But I'd definitely prefer an October release.
I wonder if they'll provide any extras for those willing to buy all 3 again in a "trilogy" set?
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Date: 9/4/2017 |
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.html.html .htmlI hope they do, and I hope it includes more than just reissuing the 35th Anniversary DVD release with a "50th Anniversary" title attached to it.
In a message dated 9/3/2017 10:30:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
And if Fox has any plans for the 50th anniversary?
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From: James |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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Message: 76294 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
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That ape-pears to be the case but it's still not official. When does it arrive on digital download, smarty? Huh?
How many extras? Huh? Huh?
Will there be a version inside a Woody Harrelson head? Huh?
People have jumped the gun before. If 10/24 is the date I'm delighted. But as George Bush Sr. probably said, "Prudence is required at this juncture".
Yeah, you're gone.
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Date: 9/4/2017 |
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Yeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...
Fox just wants to "trump" the pirates.
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/4/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War |
.html.html Fox has already lost to whatever pirates there are. It's available as soon as someone can film it off a screen. October sounds too soon but we'll see. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Monday, September 4, 2017 10:29 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Just got a notice from Amazon about War Yeah, but the previous films were bigger hits/box office draws, so maybe the October date of release is indeed correect... I'd guess they'll want to start making money off of home video sales as soon as possible...
Fox just wants to "trump" the pirates.
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/5/2017 |
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October sounds too soon but we'll see.
From: http://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/090117-1430
In announcement news today, while we don't have the official press release yet, it appears that 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment has just set War for the Planet of the Apes for release on Blu-ray, Blu-ray 3D, DVD, and 4K Ultra HD on 10/24 (SRP $34.99, $29.99, $29.99, and $39.99, respectively). Also coming that day is the
Planet of the Apes Trilogy box set on Blu-ray and 4K Ultra HD (SRP $49.99 and $69.99). As soon as the official details are revealed, we'll update this post.
So, there you go. They simply haven't announced the details (extras, etc.) yet, but the release date is SET!
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/7/2017 |
| Subject: WAR Blu-ray announcement |
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Now it's official, Mr. Jeffery Krueger!
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22034
Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced that it will release on 4K Blu-ray,3D Blu-ray
, and Blu-ray director Matt Reeves' blockbuster War for the Planet of the Apes
(2017), starring Andy Serkis, Woody Harrelson, Steve Zahn, Judy Greer, and Karin Konoval. The three releases will be available for purchase on October 24. In addition to the War for the Planet of the Apes standalone edition, the
Planet of the Apes Trilogy will also be available on October 24. From green-eyed infant ape to hardened warrior to leader of his kingdom, re-live the the spectacular sci-fi adventure that begins when a failed experiment gives a baby chimpanzee human-like intelligence, but also creates a virus that nearly destroys mankind. When Caesar's ape community is discovered by a small band of humans, both species must battle to survive. Ultimately, after suffering unimaginable losses, Caesar resolves to avenge his kind, pitting him against a human army in an epic showdown that will determine the future of the planet. Packed with thrilling action and mind-blowing visual effects, this must-own series is hailed as "one of the greatest trilogies in movie history!" (Scott Mantz, Access Hollywood).
Special Features:- Deleted Scenes with Optional Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
- Graveyard
- Turncoats
- Barrier Wall
- "I Owe You One"
- "A Great Man"
- "Do Not Lose Hope"
- Snowfall
- The Colonel's Speech
- Malcolm and the Dinosaurs
- "I Am Like Koba"
- Featurettes:
- "Waging War for the Planet of the Apes" – In-depth documentary on the making of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES
- "All About Caesar"
- "WETA: Pushing Boundaries"
- "Music for Apes"
- "Apes: The Meaning of it All"
- "The Apes Saga: An Homage"
- Concept Art Gallery
- Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
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Date: 9/7/2017 |
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.html.html Well, I'll be a monkey's uncle! Seems early to me but I'm not complaining. Some of those special feature titles sound like we're going to get our 50th anniversary stuff on "War". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:27 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] WAR Blu-ray announcement Now it's official, Mr. Jeffery Krueger! http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=22034 Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced that it will release on 4K Blu-ray,
3D Blu-ray, and Blu-ray director Matt Reeves' blockbuster War for the Planet of the Apes
(2017), starring Andy Serkis, Woody Harrelson, Steve Zahn, Judy Greer, and Karin Konoval. The three releases will be available for purchase on October 24.
In addition to the War for the Planet of the Apes standalone edition, the Planet of the Apes Trilogy
will also be available on October 24. From green-eyed infant ape to hardened warrior to leader of his kingdom, re-live the the spectacular sci-fi adventure that begins when a failed experiment gives a baby chimpanzee human-like intelligence, but also creates a virus that nearly destroys mankind. When Caesar's ape community is discovered by a small band of humans, both species must battle to survive. Ultimately, after suffering unimaginable losses, Caesar resolves to avenge his kind, pitting him against a human army in an epic showdown that will determine the future of the planet. Packed with thrilling action and mind-blowing visual effects, this must-own series is hailed as "one of the greatest trilogies in movie history!" (Scott Mantz, Access Hollywood).
Special Features: - Deleted Scenes with Optional Audio Commentary by Matt Reeves
- Graveyard
- Turncoats
- Barrier Wall
- "I Owe You One"
- "A Great Man"
- "Do Not Lose Hope"
- Snowfall
- The Colonel's Speech
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- "WETA: Pushing Boundaries"
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.html.html Yahoo has posted an exclusive deleted scene from "War" as Fox officially announces a n October 24 release date 4 "War 4". yahoo.com/movies/war-planet-apes-exclusive-watch-deleted-scene-home-release-coming-october-130029524.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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Date: 9/10/2017 |
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide |
.html.html Another groaner of a week as the "War 4 the POTA" box office clicked up another couple notches. An estimated $369 million worldwide (it didn't even have the dignity of hitting $370). BUT next week is China and we should be seeing some action. "Dawn" did $107 million there and we have to assume "War" will do less like it has mostly everywhere else (perhaps "Dawn" just had more eye candy in the trailers and that's what sold it?). So China should push it past $400 million next week. If it doesn't, "War" is in big trouble (in Little China?).
$500 million is grasping at straws but on the off chance that "War" is even bigger than "Dawn" in China and also does well in Japan next month, eh…maybe. Once again "War" will be following Spidey, who swung in this week (he's over $800 million worldwide so he's doing swell). Spidey does whatever a spider can but Caesar can go mano a mano with Woody Harrelson so there's still a chance. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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Date: 9/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $369 million worldwide |
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Thanks Jeff. In looking on the bright side, who here thought (20 years ago) that we'd be disappointed around this time because the 4th profitable movie installment to our beloved Apes franchise during the 21st Century made its money back (marketing included) prior to being released on the silver screen in China, Japan and someday Iran etc. Fox still has at least another hundred million to make off of War for the POTA in terms of Blu-Ray, DVD, toy, cable and ordinary television revenues, not to mention pay-per-download. Plus, the prior releases (dating back to nearly 50 years) have new life in them, thanks to War for the POTA.
Sequels reportedly make around 70% of what the originals make. If Rise of the POTA is considered the original, then War's right on target even when adjusting for inflation. Dawn broke free from that 70% tendency, perhaps because home movie RENTALS of Rise helped make a lot of new fans out of Caesar who didn't see Rise on the big screen. It would have been nice to see War for the POTA make 70% of what Dawn did. It still might, at least when unadjusted for inflation.
NEWSFLASH: global revenues (unajusted for inflation) for POTA are now available at the bottom here:
Alien's franchise has done well, but it's hardly as deep as POTA. Meanwhile, can you see how badly Alien: Covenant performed, when adjusted for inflation? http://www.boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=alien.htmThe Joker character killed a lot of movie-goers in Colorado a few years ago, and movie-going just isn't as appealing as it used to be. It's been great seeing POTA succeed during this century, but it'd be even more great if we can avoid wearing out the franchise's welcome (a la Stargate).
Cheers from post-Harvey Houston... :-)
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Date: 9/10/2017 |
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Planet of the Apes and Philosophy: Great Apes Think Alike:
Meh. Worth a read, but you're not going to come across any deep insight you
haven't already figured out on your own.
Chris L.
mlccougar wrote:
>>What is the title of the "philosophy" book you're referring to?
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From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
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monkeymermaid65 wrote:
>>I never read the Apeslayer story and was hoping they reprint that,
even thought I hear it is worse than anything Malibu offered<
Lol!! That's debatable, but the material they originally pillaged for the
Apeslayer story (Killraven/War of the Worlds) is solid and definitely worth
searching out.
lmcdasc wrote:
>>I've got most of the books that have come out over the years with
just a few exceptions (like the "Serialism" book on the music score).
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**facepalm** I purchased that one as well, and am embarrassed at
having forgot that I did because I was in regular contact with the author at the
time. My bad John!
lmcdasc wrote:
>> Glad to see I'm not the only one that thought Pendreigh's book was
the best of the bunch. Don't get me wrong, I love the Russo book as well but
just thought the Pendreigh provided more insight in some area's and delved
into some unexplored concepts. <<
That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about things I
have never heard of before. Plus no post-publishing self-aggrandizing to
the effect of "This book is WIDELY considered by apes fans to be the DEFINITIVE
book on the entire Planet of the Apes phenomena!!". If other people make
comments like that it's one thing, but if you start making
unsubstantiated declarations about your own book then I'd have to question
why.
Chris L.
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From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/10/2017 |
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A lot of the geographical issues have to do with both pre and
post-production decisions. In just about every adaptation I've read (Marvel
Comics, Power Records, and- I believe- the paperback novelization), Taylor &
Nova are approaching the ruins of NYC and that's when the illusions start. In
the movie, they're just trekking through the desert. The other issue is that the
scene of the army looking upon the ruins of Manhattan never appeared in ANY
version of the screenplay and was cobbled together last minute from
existing footage to serve as a pacing device when some of the other
scenes ended up being edited together differently. Again- in the
original screenplay- the scene with the bleeding Lawgiver occurs after the mass,
and once the illusion disappears Dr. Zaius discovers an entrance to the
underground city. This is why Don Pedro Colley's character is absent from the
"We've no defense" scene- he was already dead by that point. Also, that scene
itself was cut into two sections and inserted at two different points in the
film: after the bleeding Lawgiver and before the army seeing Manhattan (ending
with "Adults to the cathedral; infants indoors."), and then after the army
starts entering the same cave that Brent & Nova did (starts with "What will
you do, Holiness?"). It was originally written as one full scene towards the end
of the story once it became clear that the army had discovered a way to the
underground city. Just FYI: at the end of the first scene, the same
reaction shot of Mendez was inserted at the end of the film and made it appear
that he was looking up to the bomb when he was actually looking up to the
projection of the army. Which also explains why the purple part of his
outfit (robe? sash?) is gone so quickly and that he goes from standing to
kneeling so quickly
So in the same film, we have both a great use of matte paintings
(underground Manhattan) and a very poor one because it was literally created
last minute and only meant to be see for a second or two.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>The matte painting of the ruins of Manhattan in BENEATH is from the
Brooklyn side of the East River (one of many geographic errors in BENEATH since
the ape army would have approached Manhattan from the west or Jersey side, but
we just have to live with it). The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge in the lower
left of the painting is plainly seen. The East River is dried up, and so we can
assume most of New York Harbor has receded as well. The ruins of The Statue of
Liberty would be off to the left of the matte painting along a new eroded
shoreline to the Atlantic Ocean. The cave where Cornelius had his diggings would
be located along the shore further south of that. I believe that the scene where
Taylor and Nova see the Mutant's illusions are on the dried up bed of New York
Harbor. It would have been nice if there had been added in the distance a hazy
matte painting of the ruined New York skyline, but such was the crazy production
of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. The main title sequence of BENEATH makes it
look as if Taylor and Nova on horseback wandered around quite a ways after
finding the statue ruins, but as with many things in BENEATH, this makes little
sense. BENEATH is truly a mess. <<
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Date: 9/11/2017 |
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That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about things I
have never heard of before.
There's much more stuff I never heard of in John O'Callaghan's "Simians & Serialism" thanks to him doing a much more exhaustive dig through the Jacobs archives at Loyola Marymount University and the Franklin J. Schaffner Collection at Franklin and Marshall College than Pendreigh or anyone else did. He's currently working on another book, too.
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From: haristas |
Date: 9/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H |
.htmlThis is why I always say, "BENEATH is a mess." Because it truly is, and they were lucky it came together as well as it did. The editors should have gotten an Oscar nomination.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [pota] Re: Ocean levels "sank" before Beneath and POTA '68, H
A lot of the geographical issues have to do with both pre and post-production decisions. In just about every adaptation I've read (Marvel Comics, Power Records, and- I believe- the paperback novelization), Taylor Nova are approaching the ruins of NYC and that's when the illusions start. In the movie, they're just trekking through the desert. The other issue is that the scene of the army looking upon the ruins of Manhattan never appeared in ANY version of the screenplay and was cobbled together last minute from existing footage to serve as a pacing device when some of the other scenes ended up being edited together differently. Again- in the original screenplay- the scene with the bleeding Lawgiver occurs after the mass, and once the illusion disappears Dr. Zaius discovers an entrance to the underground city. This is why Don Pedro Colley's character is absent from the "We've no defense" scene- he was already dead by that point.
Also, that scene itself was cut into two sections and inserted at two different points in the film: after the bleeding Lawgiver and before the army seeing Manhattan (ending with "Adults to the cathedral; infants indoors."), and then after the army starts entering the same cave that Brent Nova did (starts with "What will you do, Holiness?"). It was originally written as one full scene towards the end of the story once it became clear that the army had discovered a way to the underground city. Just FYI: at the end of the first scene, the same reaction shot of Mendez was inserted at the end of the film and made it appear that he was looking up to the bomb when he was actually looking up to the projection of the army. Which also explains why the purple part of his outfit (robe? sash?) is gone so quickly and that he goes from standing to kneeling so quickly
So in the same film, we have both a great use of matte paintings (underground Manhattan) and a very poor one because it was literally created last minute and only meant to be see for a second or two.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>The matte painting of the ruins of Manhattan in BENEATH is from the Brooklyn side of the East River (one of many geographic errors in BENEATH since the ape army would have approached Manhattan from the west or Jersey side, but we just have to live with it). The ruins of the Brooklyn Bridge in the lower left of the painting is plainly seen. The East River is dried up, and so we can assume most of New York Harbor has receded as well. The ruins of The Statue of Liberty would be off to the left of the matte painting along a new eroded shoreline to the Atlantic Ocean. The cave where Cornelius had his diggings would be located along the shore further south of that. I believe that the scene where Taylor and Nova see the Mutant's illusions are on the dried up bed of New York Harbor. It would have been nice if there had been added in the distance a hazy matte painting of the ruined New York skyline, but such was the crazy production of BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES. The main
title sequence of BENEATH makes it look as if Taylor and Nova on horseback wandered around quite a ways after finding the statue ruins, but as with many things in BENEATH, this makes little sense. BENEATH is truly a mess. <<
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Message: 76309 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: WAR in China |
.htmlI don't know why "Rona" Krueger hasn't already reported this, but WAR opened very strong in China on Friday with a $20 Mill box office take.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/15/box-office-spider-man-plunges-85-in-china-apes-strong-with-20m-friday/#311c8cc94cab
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Message: 76310 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
.html.html Apes and China together strong! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2017 7:19 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] WAR in China
I don't know why "Rona" Krueger hasn't already reported this, but WAR opened very strong in China on Friday with a $20 Mill box office take. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2017/09/15/box-office-spider-man-plunges-85-in-china-apes-strong-with-20m-friday/#311c8cc94cab
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Message: 76311 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
.html It will be very hard to do, but it's not out of the question...
Either way, War's a box office success. Not as great as we'd like, admittedly. But we have much for which to be thankful. Our franchise has already endured half a century. :-)
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Message: 76312 |
From: pota@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 9/16/2017 |
| Subject: Poll results for pota |
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Message: 76313 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
.html.html .htmlIt'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...
In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thanks for the news, Haristas. It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm
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Message: 76314 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: RIP Jerry Pournelle |
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He wrote the novelization of ESCAPE FROM THE PLANET OF THE APES, which I think from a prose standpoint is the best written of all the sequel novelizations.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/obituaries/jerry-pournelle-science-fiction-novelist-and-computer-guide-dies-at-84.htmlemc=edit_th_20170917&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54765500 <.html
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Message: 76315 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: "War" cruises past Tom with over $400 million |
.html.html Apes dug it's way to China and I dig it. With an estimated $60 + million opening it is now at $433 million worldwide, wrapping up Tom Cruise's "The Mummy". Will it get to $500 million and make "Boss Baby" cry, becoming Fox's #2 of the year (behind "Logan")? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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Message: 76316 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah! |
.html.html More needed good news for War's box office: it is Fox's all-time best China opening ever with $62 million. Who's having Chinese for dinner tonight? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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Message: 76317 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...
DVD?!!!! How early 21st century.
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Message: 76318 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
.html.html Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China
It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...
In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thanks for the news, Haristas. It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm
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Message: 76319 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 9/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Archive Vol. 1: Terror on the Planet of the A |
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I was referring to the two books released in the 90's and four that came
out in the early aughties. It'll be interesting to see what the next book John
O'Callaghan is writing ends up being about.
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>There's much more stuff I never heard of in John
O'Callaghan 39;s "Simians & Serialism" thanks to him doing a much
more exhaustive dig through the Jacobs archives at Loyola Marymount University
and the Franklin J. Schaffner Collection at Franklin and Marshall College than
Pendreigh or anyone else did. He's currently working on another book, too.
<<
I wrote:
>>That's exactly what I liked about the Pendreigh book- I read about
things I have never heard of before. <<
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Message: 76320 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China [1 Attachment] |
.html.html .htmlTrue enough, but it (box office and home video) all counts towards the final tally of profitability... I do think it's going to take the home video market to push it over the five hundred million mark...
In a message dated 9/17/2017 2:07:05 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China
It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...
In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thanks for the news, Haristas. It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm
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Message: 76321 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
.html.html I think between China and Japan it will reach $500 million. China made it the #1 movie worldwide of the week. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2017 5:10 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China
True enough, but it (box office and home video) all counts towards the final tally of profitability... I do think it's going to take the home video market to push it over the five hundred million mark...
In a message dated 9/17/2017 2:07:05 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: mlccougar@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2017 6:21 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [pota] Re: WAR in China
It'll hit the five hundred million dollar mark when it comes out on DVD... My purchase will give it the edge it needs...
In a message dated 9/16/2017 3:16:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Thanks for the news, Haristas. It'll be interesting to see if Japan &China can eventually propel War for the POTA over the half a million mark:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=main&id=planetoftheapes16.htm
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Message: 76322 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: China openings |
.html.html Here's a handy dandy list of how movies have opened in China. They haven't added "War" yet but it was Fox's #1 opening there ever with $62 million so that puts it at # 27 all-time. The best opening there ever wuz this year's "Fate of the Furious" with $185 million opening. Boy, "War" could've used that. They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses. "Dawn" opened to $47 million and ultimately did $107 million there. Maybe that's a gauge. boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/opening Sent from
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Message: 76323 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is Fox's best China opening ev-ah! |
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More needed good news for War's box office: it is Fox's all-time best China opening ever with $62 million.
Who's having Chinese for dinner tonight?
Yeah, thank the Lawgiver for the Chinese. WAR opened bigger in China than it did here in the U.S. And I did have Chinese food for dinner last night.
HOWEVER.... it still looks like WAR isn't going to make the grosses that RISE did, and so I still say that it'll be five to seven years before another APES movie and it'll be made for around $100 Mill or less.
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Message: 76324 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: WAR in China |
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Home video is a different thing. Only movie going counts 4 box office.
Yeah, home video sales don't get rolled into the theatrical box office grosses for films by the studios. Home Video is its "own" thing.
HOWEVER..... if a movie does really well in its home video sales, it often induces a studio or producer to consider a sequel.
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Message: 76325 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: China openings |
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They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses.
Oh, the irony of you saying that, Krueger! Was I not mocked by you when I thought the next APES movie could be more like MAD MAX?
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Sep 18, 2017 12:20 pm
Subject: [pota] China openings
Here's a handy dandy list of how movies have opened in China. They haven't added "War" yet but it was Fox's #1 opening there ever with $62 million so that puts it at # 27 all-time.
The best opening there ever wuz this year's "Fate of the Furious" with $185 million opening. Boy, "War" could've used that. They need to get the apes into some fast cars, no more horses.
"Dawn" opened to $47 million and ultimately did $107 million there. Maybe that's a gauge.
boxofficemojo.com/intl/china/opening
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Message: 76326 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/19/2017 |
| Subject: Apes beat Mummies |
.html.html To celebrate "War 4 the POTA" beating Tom Cruise's "The Mummy" at the worldwide box office, here's the Mummies performing their smash hit (maybe?) "You Must Fight To Live On the POTA". Hit it, boys! www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5ZuIU99wrw Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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Message: 76327 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/19/2017 |
| Subject: Terminator's home video rentals and sales led to sequels |
.htmlTerminator's home video rentals and sales, post-1984, led to sequels and even helped propel a new aspiring governor of California to perform a Total Recall. Terminator, itself, didn't do that well at the box office:
Meanwhile, the latest Terminator (Genisys) had enough movie ticket sales in China to supposedly lead to still more sequels that otherwise wouldn't have been made due to lackluster sales elsewhere.
War for the POTA has been a refreshing conclusion to the Caesar trilogy which has lured in many new fans of all ages.
We endured decades in the abyss (1980s & 1990s) but have been blessed during the new century.
Cheers from (post-Harvey) Houston
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Message: 76328 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
.html.html Variety spoke with Stacy Snider on her first anniversary running Fox. Though she didn't bring up Apes, they are still high on their franchises (even the underperforming "Alien") as long as they stay fresh: "The franchises we make still need to be original" (so the next "Predator" is set in suburbia). So Apes should be safe, just fresh. variety.com/2017/film/features/stacey-snider-21st-century-fox-first-year-1202563799/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Message: 76329 |
From: James |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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Message: 76330 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
.htmlWell, all I can say to this is great, so now go and make another trilogy of APES movies that explore some of the prehistories (meaning before the time of the Lawgiver and the writing of the Sacred Scrolls) and put some clothes on the apes and give them full articulation, and let your imagination go wild. WAR ends only around thirty years into the future and there's another seven to eight hundred years to the time of the Lawgiver. Lots of time to play with. Will they do that? Lawgiver knows.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [pota] Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises
Variety spoke with Stacy Snider on her first anniversary running Fox.
Though she didn't bring up Apes, they are still high on their franchises (even the underperforming "Alien") as long as they stay fresh: "The franchises we make still need to be original" (so the next "Predator" is set in suburbia). So Apes should be safe, just fresh.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76331 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/21/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Fox head Stacy Snider still high on franchises |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76332 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/22/2017 |
| Subject: Are you game? |
.html.html "Planet of the Apes: The Last Frontier", a video game from Andy Serkis and his Imaginarium company, hits this fall. Just sayin'. Takes place between "Dawn" and "War" with a new set of characters. In this interview from yesterday (9/20) at a game convention he wuz asked if there will be more Ape movies and he said there's lots of room before the original movie for more stories and he still loves the franchise so he'd be interested. He still wants to direct a movie based on the classic "Animal Farm" but updated with modern concerns. And his "Jungle Book" movie finally hits next year.
Asked what movie role he would've loved to play, he picked Travis Bickle (De Niro in "Taxi Driver"). eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-21-watch-andy-serkis-talks-acting-and-his-planet-of-the-apes-game planetoftheapesgame.com Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76333 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/23/2017 |
| Subject: Will "Jane" join "War" at the Oscars? |
.html.html If Fox's nefarious plot to get "War 4 the POTA" a seat at the Oscars works, might it be joined by an acclaimed new documentary about Jane Goodall? "Jane" uses unseen footage thought lost to tell about Goodall's early days teaching us about chimpanzees (around the time the original POTA wuz being developed). Oscar talk is already happening for it so it might be a good time for the Oscars to go ape, on the double! deadline.com/2017/09/jane-trailer-jane-goodall-documentary-brett-morgen-video-1202175201/ Sent from
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76334 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: China raises the "War" chest to $471 million worldwide |
.html.html With China's help, "War" is just $10 million away from passing the "Rise" worldwide total of $481 million. So it won't be the lowest Nu Ape movie. Oh, are you smiling? Well, cut it out. Even the new horror movie "It" has passed "War", because Americans have no taste (they did elect Donald Trump, after all). "War" is a disappointment but thanx to the Chinese it will save face and the Apes will live to fight another day. Now go back to your Kardashian news, Americans. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76335 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwid |
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Dawn of the POTA reportedly took in over $12 million in Japan a few years ago. Meanwhile, the China release still has some legs to it, after becoming Fox's biggest grand opening ever there (unadjusted for inflation, I presume). Perhaps Kim Jong Un (aka "Rocket Man") has been of help? Folks want to forget their worries, but also take the apocalypse more seriously when "what-if-ing".
Go Caesar, go! :-)
Sayonara & Zaijian from post-Harvey Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76336 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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If it's our franchise, where's my cut?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76337 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
.html.html If they ever find the "pregnant Nova" scene and put it back in, that can be your cut. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2017 4:05 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwide?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76338 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
.htmlWe can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.
Remember those Mendez chronicles? They answered so many previously unanswered questions. Interesting, fun stuff. :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76339 |
From: haristas |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
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We can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.
Remember those Mendez chronicles? They answered so many previously unanswered questions. Interesting, fun stuff. :-)
But would the prequel make money?
What's with this obsession with making money? Is that what it all means to you? And it's PLANET OF THE APES, not Planet of the Human Mutants. Spare me anything the franchise has already done. Leave repeating itself, chasing its own tail, to the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises. May the Planet of the Apes franchise EVOLVE!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76340 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worl |
.html.html You should be obsessed with making money too if you get a cut! Considering "It" has already passed "War" worldwide, maybe the mutants would be a good idea. Horror, bro! I've got one word for you: plastic. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2017 6:46 AM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Won't War for the POTA ticket sale$ soon break $500 million worldwide?
We can make a cut if Fox lets us direct and produce a prequel on the Underdwellers, as inspired by the fine work years ago by the visionary who made this Yahoo group available to us all.
Remember those Mendez chronicles? They answered so many previously unanswered questions. Interesting, fun stuff. :-) But would the prequel make money?
What's with this obsession with making money? Is that what it all means to you? And it's PLANET OF THE APES, not Planet of the Human Mutants. Spare me anything the franchise has already done. Leave repeating itself, chasing its own tail, to the Star Trek and Star Wars franchises. May the Planet of the Apes franchise EVOLVE!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76341 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
.html.html On 10/20/17 Michael Giacchino will throw a concert/50th birthday party at Abbey Road Studios (think the Beatles walking across the street). He's also inviting a few of his friends, like "Apes" director Matt Reeves, "Alias"/"Star Trek" director J.J. Abrams, a "Lost" producer and more Pixar directors than you can shake a stick at (he won the Oscar for "Inside Out"). There'll be a whole lot of going Ape 4 daze before the "War 4" blu ray hits. ew.com/movies/2017/09/25/jj-abrams-matt-reeves-michael-giacchino-birthday-concert/ Sent from
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76342 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
.htmlHe has composed some fine music, not just for Apes but also for the 2009ish rebooting of Star Trek.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76343 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 9/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road |
.html.html Fun fact: Matt Reeves and J.J. Abrams started out together, from repairing Spielberg's home movies as teenagers to creating the show "Felicity" to Abrams producing Matt's first 2 movies ("The Pallbearer", "Cloverfield"). In the last decade they've done the lion share of 3 trilogies bringing the sci-fi biggies of the 60's/70's back to the big screen. 2009 – "Star Trek" (J.J.) - Giacchino 2011 – "Rise of the POTA" (Rupert Wyatt) – Patrick Doyle 2013 – "Star Trek Into Darkness" (J.J.) - Giacchino
2014 – "Dawn of the POTA" (Matt) - Giachinno 2015 – "Star Wars: The Force Awakens" (J.J.) – John Williams 2016 – "Star Trek Beyond" (Justin Lin) - Giacchino 2017 – "War For the POTA" (Matt) - Giacchino 2017 – "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" (Rian Johnson) – John Williams 2019 – "Star Wars Episode 9" (J.J.) – John Williams (hopefully) They did two movies for each of the trilogies. As Sesame Street would say: "Two!" Both "Dawn" and "Force Awakens" feature the main villain with an injured left side in the final fight.
Well, I'll be! Quite a decade. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2017 3:32 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: "Apes" composer Giacchino's birthday concert at Abbey Road
He has composed some fine music, not just for Apes but also for the 2009ish rebooting of Star Trek.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76344 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 9/27/2017 |
| Subject: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
.htmlIMHO, Matt Reeves is far better than J.J. Abrams. Matt Reeves pursues bringing actual stories to the big screen, judging from his Apes involvement. J.J. Abrams, on the other hand, focuses heavily on the superficial and then alleges racism when folks wonder why he went down certain alleys with purported storylines. I'm wondering if I'll ever watch any more Star Wars movies that that pot-boilermaker directs. Rogue One was NOT directed by J.J. Abrams, and it was pretty good at times. I'm still trying to figure out if Episode 7 (of Star Wars) had any redeeming value. J.J. Abrams actually made destroying a death star "tired". Hopefully he'll never get particularly involved with the POTA franchise.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76345 |
From: James |
Date: 9/30/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76346 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" will "Rise" |
.html.html OK. So China lifted "War" to $474 million worldwide. With Japan it should pass "Rise of the POTA"'s $481 million and not be the lowest of the NU Apes. $500 million is possible, making it Fox's #2 of the year after "Logan" (and I don't think they have anything coming up to surpass it). A disappointing total but a tough movie to be popular and still one of Fox's biggest franchises. From what I understand, the first week of October is a holiday in China and the movies are full of Chinese big guns so it's assumed "War" won't do much more there. We'll see. Sent from
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76347 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: "War" DID "Rise" |
.html.html Ooops! "War 4 the POTA" actually did reach $481 million worldwide. It is now tied with "Rise of the POTA" and will definitely pass it when the final accounting is done. "War" will definitely not pass "Dawn" so it is the middle child in the Caesar trilogy. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76348 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: $500 million soon for War for the POTA! Meanwhile Catalonia needs |
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Greetings from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76349 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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Although I didn't mind The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams dumbed-down Star Trek to accommodate the ADHD crowd in 2009, then did a remake that no one asked for, and THEN handed the third film over to a director from those Furiously Fast driving movies. It didn't do well financially, which was doubly bad because it was released during the 50th anniversary of the franchise (kind of like if the Tim Burton POTA 2K1 travesty had been released in 2018). The writing was on the wall when Simon Pegg said that he was working on revising the script to make it "less Star Treky" and after the film's release it came out that Karl Urban really had no interest in doing the film. Plus there was a recent article where he said that he's fine if there's isn't a fourth one. He also took a massive dump all over the Mission: Impossible franchise with the third installment (which he both directed and co-wrote), but that's an entirely separate
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76350 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
.html.html Good or bad, Trek has no legs overseas (unlike Apes) so I think the features are done. It's back on TV. I see J.J. as an entertainer like Spielberg. I enjoyed his first Trek, the second was bad and the third was just more of the same. A big reason for J.J.'s success is his eye for casting. The cast lifts up his movies and TV shows. He also has a go for broke attitude about stories. Some dislike that but it makes for compulsive watching ("Lost", etc.). He didn't really have a big hit until "Star Wars". Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 12:44 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject: [pota] Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison...
Although I didn't mind The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams dumbed-down Star Trek to accommodate the ADHD crowd in 2009, then did a remake that no one asked for, and THEN handed the third film over to a director from those Furiously Fast driving movies. It didn't do well financially, which was doubly bad because it was released during the 50th anniversary of the franchise (kind of like if the Tim Burton POTA 2K1 travesty had been released in 2018). The writing was on the wall when Simon Pegg said that he was working on revising the script to make it "less Star Treky" and after the film's release it came out that Karl Urban really had no interest in doing the film. Plus there was a recent article where he said that he's fine if there's isn't a fourth one. He also took a massive dump all over the Mission: Impossible franchise with the third installment (which he both directed and co-wrote), but that's an entirely separate conversation. Chris L.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76351 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars |
.html Synopsis: War still lags $40 million (globally) behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, and excluding the China syndrome, too... Box office comparisons between War and Rise unfortunately aren't adjusted for inflation, so the two are presently tied merely in inflation-unadjusted dollars... At the bottom here is the current list of global revenues for the latest Apes movies, unadjusted for inflation:
Further complicating matters for War, in China Rise only made just over $30 million:
China only gives Fox around 25% of revenues, and over 3 times more of War's revenues are from China than Rise's were....
Still, at least War will surpass the psychological half a billion dollar barrier. Sequels tend to make only around 70% of what the originals make, or so I read a quarter of a century ago when Batman Returns (the 2nd installment) came out. Either way, our franchise is a $UCCE$$. :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76352 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
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>>>>Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.<<< How do you believe that Reeves hurt War for the POTA? By taking 3 years? I actually liked the extra year of rest. Folks get fatigued with too much of a good thing. <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76353 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Matt Reeves vs. J.J. Abrams: no comparison... |
.html.html "War" is a downer for people, especially the ending. Even if they like it it's not a movie they want to see again right away. The big suck-cesses are the rides people want to climb back on again. Reeves stuck to his guns and made a piece of art but that hurts the bottom line. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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>>>>Reeves needs to have a little more meat on the bone of his stories. With Apes and now Batman he turned it down unless he could do it his way. "War" is paying for that at the box office but I'm glad Apes had him.<<<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76354 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dol |
.html.html These days sequels are supposed to make more. "War" could still surpass $521 million if Japan does good. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2017 2:56 PM To: pota@yahoogroups.com Subject:
[pota] War still lags $40 million behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, excluding the China syndrome... Synopsis: War still lags $40 million (globally) behind Rise in inflation-adjusted dollars, and excluding the China syndrome, too...
Box office comparisons between War and Rise unfortunately aren't adjusted for inflation, so the two are presently tied merely in inflation-unadjusted dollars... At the bottom here is the current list of global revenues for the latest Apes movies, unadjusted for inflation: Further complicating matters for War, in China Rise only made just over $30 million: China only gives Fox around 25% of revenues, and over 3 times more of War's revenues are from China than Rise's were.... Still, at least War will surpass the psychological half a billion dollar barrier. Sequels tend to make only around 70% of what the originals make, or so I read a quarter of a century ago when Batman Returns (the 2nd installment) came out. Either way, our franchise is a $UCCE$$. :-) <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76355 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/1/2017 |
| Subject: In Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn only made around $12 millio |
.htmlIn Japan, Rise made $30 million but Dawn subsequently made only around $12 million...
Still, either figure (or an average) makes it easier for China to help War reach $521 million... Markie Mark's 2001 version did well in Japan but then again, one of the (Thade-hating) gorillas was played by a Japanese actor.
Either way, the $500 million mark is well within range for War, and that's very pleasant news for an unpleasant (but necessary) movie.
I wonder if what Caesar and crew endured in War was enough for their Lawgiver eventually to write Beware the beast man, alone among God's primates, he kills for sport, or lust or greed. Yeh he would murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death...
Or might there be more on the horizon to further embitter the apes? If so, what?
Greetings from Houston and Viva Catalonia, which toppled Madrid's cops today in true Conquest of the POTA-style...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76356 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/4/2017 |
| Subject: Let's do lunch 50 |
.html.html Today would have been Charlton Heston's 94th birthday and 50 years ago, on his 44th birthday, he had lunch with Franklin Schaffner. The director told him he was almost done with his cut of "Apes" and would show it to Arthur Jacobs the next week. On that day, Heston mused about birthdays: "they're now occasions I try to ignore as long as possible". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76357 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Let's do lunch 50 |
.htmlToo bad Schaffner didn't want Heston for PATTON. I think Chuck could have pulled it off as well as Scott did under Schaffner's direction.
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Subject: [pota] Let's do lunch 50
Today would have been Charlton Heston's 94th birthday and 50 years ago, on his 44th birthday, he had lunch with Franklin Schaffner. The director told him he was almost done with his cut of "Apes" and would show it to Arthur Jacobs the next week.
On that day, Heston mused about birthdays: "they're now occasions I try to ignore as long as possible".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76358 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: How suite it is! |
.html.html Michael Giacchino tweeted that he will premiere a "War 4 the POTA" suite at his 50th birthday concert Oct. 20 at Royal Albert Hall. Sounds like a great bash. Hopefully it will be filmed (there's going to be a lot of talented filmmakers there) and released somehow. royalalberthall.com/tickets/events/2017/michael-giacchino-at-50/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76359 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/5/2017 |
| Subject: OT: Heston as Patton |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76360 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
.htmlAt least Jerry Goldsmith got to participate in Patton, and show how versatile his soundtrack-composing skillset is. It's so different from what he produced for Planet of the Apes.... <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76361 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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At least Jerry Goldsmith got to participate in Patton, and show how versatile his soundtrack-composing skillset is. It's so different from what he produced for Planet of the Apes....
Some here may not know this, but Goldsmith started work on BENEATH before Schaffner pulled him off it to do PATTON, and there's a theory that some of what Goldsmith first developed for his approach to BENEATH survives in the PATTON score. More on this subject to come later....
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