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| Group: pota |
Message: 76362 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76363 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76364 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76365 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76366 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: "War" finally getting seen |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76367 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76368 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76369 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76370 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76371 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76372 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: ITunes goes to "War" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76373 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: ITunes goes to "War" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76374 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: ITunes goes to "War" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76375 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: ITunes goes to "War" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76376 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76377 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office revenues |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76378 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76379 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76380 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76381 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76382 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office r... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76383 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office r... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76384 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76385 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76386 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76387 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76388 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76389 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76390 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76391 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76392 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76393 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76394 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: "War" 4K Blu-ray unboxing |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76395 |
From: Dario |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76396 |
From: Dario |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76397 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76398 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76399 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76400 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76401 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76402 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76403 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76404 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76405 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76406 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76407 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76408 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76409 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76410 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76411 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76412 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76413 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76414 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76415 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76416 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76417 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76418 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76419 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76420 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: G I A C C H I N O 5 0 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76421 |
From: The Soft Parade |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76422 |
From: The Soft Parade |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76423 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: G I A C C H I N O 5 0 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76424 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/21/2017 |
| Subject: Does Japan have enough ticket purchases left in it to bring War from |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76425 |
From: James |
Date: 10/21/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76426 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: My review of Revelations, the war prequel novel. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76427 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76428 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76429 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $490 million |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76430 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: My review of Revelations, the war prequel novel. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76431 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76432 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76433 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76434 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76435 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76436 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Woody Strode |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76437 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76438 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76439 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76440 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76441 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76442 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76443 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76444 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76445 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Blu-ray much? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76446 |
From: stuartdruc |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76447 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76448 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76449 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76450 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: War is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76451 |
From: Stuart Drucker |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76452 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76453 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76454 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76455 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76456 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76457 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76458 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76459 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76460 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76461 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76362 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
.htmlWow, what a startling thought.
I guess if one listens to the Patton soundtrack, one can envision that parts of it are originally contemplated for Beneath the POTA. Minute 10 and onward for a bit, for example:
Wow though. But the triumphant portions (11:10 onward) don't belong with Beneath. But then it gets back to the Beneath aura.
Goldsmith was so great.
Thanks for that insight.
Hey guys, two gorgeous female housemates are having a fight right now (not physical) and one called me because I'm a lawyer and wants to evict the other. Wanna guess what I'm about to propose? That the 3 of us view my POTA on Blu Ray (the '68 version) this weekend, one night (maybe Sat.). Neither has seen it; they're in their early 30s and were born in Latin America (of Spanish descent). Any predictions? :-) |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76363 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
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Hey guys, two gorgeous female housemates are having a fight right now (not physical) and one called me because I'm a lawyer and wants to evict the other. Wanna guess what I'm about to propose? T
hat the 3 of us view my POTA on Blu Ray (the '68 version) this weekend, one night (maybe Sat.). Neither has seen it; they're in their early 30s and were born in Latin America (of Spanish descent). Any predictions? :-) Ah. I'm not sure how to respond to this, but if I had what you describe living with me, the last thing I'd want to do is watch PLANET OF THE APES!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76364 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
.html.html Sounds like "Three's Company" with apes. The plot of the next movie! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 6, 2017 5:59 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility
Hey guys, two gorgeous female housemates are having a fight right now (not physical) and one called me because I'm a lawyer and wants to evict the other. Wanna guess what I'm about to propose? T hat the 3 of us view my POTA on Blu Ray (the '68 version) this weekend, one night (maybe Sat.). Neither has seen it; they're in their early 30s and were born in Latin America (of Spanish descent). Any predictions? :-)
Ah. I'm not sure how to respond to this, but if I had what you describe living with me, the last thing I'd want to do is watch PLANET OF THE APES! <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76365 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: OT: Heston as Patton; Jerry Goldsmith's soundtrack versatility |
.html
Hi friends:
Well, 2 minutes before I e-mailed my "client" yesterday evening the recommendation that the 3 of us be accompanied by my POTA '68 Blu Ray for a few weekend hours at her place, she e-mailed me that her (now former) tenant (who is equally as attractive and young) had just moved out. Evidently her having mentioned that the police had taken an interest in a substance that they had found on her premises did it... That was certainly why my client wanted her gone, although there might have been some jealousy mixed in there as well (even as both are hot). Anyhow my client received my Apes e-mail minutes after sending me that news, and didn't comment one way or another r/e my Apes invite (which she had previously accepted on a one-on-one bases at her place, weeks ago...for some future date). So anyhow, the Three's Company (Latina) dream of mine has had its Alpha & Omega by now, but there will be other
opportunities to keep spreading the POTA fanhood beyond its existing boundaries. :-) These two aren't of Nova's caliber, admittedly, but they are of Daena's from the POTA 2001 version. Unfortunately I don't think they'll ever talk to each other again after having lived with each other for a couple of months. If only I'd gotten to them sooner with the POTA idea, they might have developed a more substantive friendship with far more interesting things to talk about. :-) Ah well. :-)
Cheers from post-Harvey Houston |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76366 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: "War" finally getting seen |
.html.html Judging from twitter it looks like people are finally seeing "War 4" and realizing it's pretty good. Must be the bootleg. Hi China! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76367 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html Taking a break from their "team up" Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus. Written by David Walker ("Luke Cage") and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the '70's (see linked article). The 50th anniversary begins! hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/planet-apes-villains-origin-will-be-told-50th-anniversary-1045325/ Sent from
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76368 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.htmlWhat's next? The Adventures of Young Dr. Zaius?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 8, 2017 5:55 pm
Subject: [pota] Ursus origin comic in January
Taking a break from their "team up" Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker ("Luke Cage") and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the '70's (see linked article).
The 50th anniversary begins!
hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/planet-apes-villains-origin-will-be-told-50th-anniversary-1045325/
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76369 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html I think Adventure comics already did that. When do we get POTA Babies? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 8, 2017 8:23 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Ursus origin comic in January What's next? The Adventures of Young Dr. Zaius?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 8, 2017 5:55 pm
Subject: [pota] Ursus origin comic in January
Taking a break from their "team up" Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker ("Luke Cage") and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the '70's (see linked article). The 50th anniversary begins! hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/planet-apes-villains-origin-will-be-told-50th-anniversary-1045325/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76370 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html That sounds pretty cool. From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:
Monday, October 9, 2017 7:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Ursus origin comic in January Taking a break from their "team up" Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus. Written by David Walker ("Luke Cage") and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the '70's (see linked article). The 50th
anniversary begins! hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/planet-apes-villains-origin-will-be-told-50th-anniversary-1045325/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76371 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html
Not to me, as I suspect it'll be loaded with continuity errors, as most of BENEATH is anyway. And I've always found General Ursus to be a rather one-dimensional character, but then the script for BENEATH wasn't great on character development in the first place. But, I know so many POTA fans love General Ursus, so you guys enjoy!
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76372 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: ITunes goes to "War" |
.html.html "War 4 the POTA" is now available to download legitimately. ITunes sez it's their #1 movie right now. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76373 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: ITunes goes to "War" |
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.html Has War for the POTA even been released in Japan yet? It's apparently our last hope of breaking half a million at the box office... <.html
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76374 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/10/2017 |
| Subject: Re: ITunes goes to "War" |
.html.html It hits Japan Friday. That'll put it over $500 million and that'll be that. It being "War", It not being "It" (which has already passed $600 million, and won't have China). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
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Subject: [pota] Re: ITunes goes to "War" Has War for the POTA even been released in Japan yet? It's apparently our last hope of breaking half a million at the box office... <.html |
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Message: 76375 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/11/2017 |
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Message: 76376 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/11/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html .htmlI'll probably end up buying this mini-series, but I'm going to be cautiously optomistic about it: By that I mean I'll be hoping for the best, but expecting the worse...
Why: Because BOOM's track record regarding "Planet of the Apes" hasn't been all that great in the past, so I can only guess it'll remain that way...
Taking a break from their "team up" Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker ("Luke Cage") and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the '70's (see linked article).
The 50th anniversary begins!
hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/planet-apes-villains-origin-will-be-told-50th-anniversary-1045325/
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Message: 76377 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office revenues |
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Presumably without a Japan release yet, War's just $12+ million from reaching the half a billion dollar mark:
Interestingly enough, Dawn made $12 million 3 years ago in Japan, whereas Rise made considerably more there years beforehand.
My prediction is that Japan won't warm as much to War as we might expect. Why would folks there want to see a film that teaches folks that treating others badly can lead to lasting repercussions? Japan hasn't even apologized for its taking "comfort women" from neighboring countries for its soldiers, over half a century ago. I surmise that that's the sort of reason for why Dawn didn't do nearly as well as Rise did in Japan over half a decade ago. Dawn was all about what happens when one mistreats Kobas in this world...
Or not?
Greetings to all, from Houston...
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76378 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
.html.html Looks like it's going to be a photo finish to get to $500 million… Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Presumably without a Japan release yet, War's just $12+ million from reaching the half a billion dollar mark: Interestingly enough, Dawn made $12 million 3 years ago in Japan, whereas Rise made considerably more there years beforehand.
My prediction is that Japan won't warm as much to War as we might expect. Why would folks there want to see a film that teaches folks that treating others badly can lead to lasting repercussions? Japan hasn't even apologized for its taking "comfort women" from neighboring countries for its soldiers, over half a century ago. I surmise that that's the sort of reason for why Dawn didn't do nearly as well as Rise did in Japan over half a decade ago. Dawn was all about what happens when one mistreats Kobas in this world... Greetings to all, from Houston... <.html |
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Message: 76379 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
.html.html Well, "War" is more like "Rise" than "Dawn" so maybe that will work in it's favor in Japan. Rise's $30 million would come in handy now. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
Presumably without a Japan release yet, War's just $12+ million from reaching the half a billion dollar mark: Interestingly enough, Dawn made $12 million 3 years ago in Japan, whereas Rise made considerably more there years beforehand. My prediction is that Japan won't warm as much to War as we might expect. Why would folks there want to see a film that teaches folks that treating others badly can lead to lasting repercussions? Japan hasn't even apologized for its taking "comfort women" from neighboring countries for its soldiers, over half a century ago. I surmise that that's the sort of reason for why Dawn didn't do nearly as well as Rise did in Japan over half a decade ago. Dawn was all about what happens when one mistreats Kobas in this world... Greetings to all, from Houston... <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76380 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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Looks like it's going to be a photo finish to get to $500 million…
Who cares? We don't get any of that money.
Meanwhile....
http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a840569/andy-serkis-planet-of-the-apes-possible-return/
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Message: 76381 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
.html.html Who cares? That interview wuz done before the movie wuz released. That wuz then, this is now. We care because, well, this is a POTA group. Plus more money means a better chance the next Apes won't be made 4 five cents. Mo money! Mo money! Mo money! Or else they'll have to use the "Beneath" pullover masks on the next one. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 2:05 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office revenues...
Looks like it's going to be a photo finish to get to $500 million… Who cares? We don't get any of that money. http://www.digitalspy.com/movies/news/a840569/andy-serkis-planet-of-the-apes-possible-return/ <.html |
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Message: 76382 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office r... |
.html.html .htmlIn a message dated 10/15/2017 4:15:48 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Looks like it's going to be a photo finish to get to $500 million…
Who cares? We don't get any of that money.
While I agree with what you're saying, I think some people are interested in how the movie's doing because A) If it's deemed successful enough, it might spawn another sequel and B) Some people like to know a franchise they're vested in remains popular enough to generate crowds/money.
That's my guess anyway,,,<.html<.html |
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Message: 76383 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office r... |
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While I agree with what you're saying, I think some people are interested in how the movie's doing because A) If it's deemed successful enough, it might spawn another sequel and B) Some people like to know a franchise they're vested in remains popular enough to generate crowds/money.
God spare me from "some people"! (That's what Taylor said before he left Earth.) Oh, wait, I forgot I don't believe in god. D'oh!
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Message: 76384 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/15/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War, Japan and the half a billion dollar mark in box office reve |
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That interview wuz done before the movie wuz released.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76385 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM! POTA
comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
Chris L.
mlccougar wrote:
>>I'll probably end up buying this mini-series, but I'm going to be
cautiously optomistic about it: By that I mean I'll be hoping for the best,
but expecting the worse... Why: Because BOOM's track record regarding
"Planet of the Apes" hasn't been all that great in the past, so I can only
guess it'll remain that way... <<
Jeff K wrote:
>>Taking a break from their “team up” Apes comics, BOOM! will publish
a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker (“Luke Cage”) and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will
also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the ‘70’s.
<<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76386 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
.html.html According to Exhibitor Relations, "War 4" debuted in Japan, it's final stop, with $2.3 million this weekend. That brings it's worldwide total to $487 million. OK, that's good. Doing good! Wooooo! (gives an encouraging applause though everyone knows it rings hollow) Deadline.com sez: "Japan is a leggy market which builds slowly, and one where women tend to make the movie-going decisions in the family". That's probably why the new "Beauty and the Beast" was by far the most popular import this year in Japan, with $110 million. No other movie came close ("Despicable Me 3" wuz second with $65 million).
boxofficemojo.com/intl/japan/yearly/ OK, so "Rise" did $30 million there, "Dawn" did $12 million. Looks like they're going down but "War" is more akin to "Rise" so maybe they will dig it more. Remember, we're going for $500 million worldwide. If Caesar can imagine it, he can achieve it. Imagine it, Caesar! Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76387 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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Right after Cornelius & Zira: Young Chimps in Love
(...shudder...).
BTW, did BOOM! ever acknowledge their MASSIVE screw-up with POTA:
Cataclysm?
Chris L.
Jeff K wrote:
>>I think Adventure comics already did that.
When do we get POTA
Babies? <<
haristas wrote:
>>What's next? The Adventures of Young Dr. Zaius? <<
Jeff K wrote:
>>Taking a break from their “team up” Apes comics, BOOM! will publish
a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker (“Luke Cage”) and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will
also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the ‘70’s (see
linked article). <<
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76388 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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.html .html.htmlI purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76389 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/16/2017 |
| Subject: Re: The Bad News Apes Go To Japan |
.htmlIf War is already out on iTunes, where's the incentive for folks in Japan to go see it? OK, it's in 3D at some theaters, yes.
Let's hear it for $500 million globally! :-)
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Message: 76390 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM! POTA
comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
Chris L.
-----Original Message-----
From: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 16, 2017 6:57 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Ursus origin comic in January
I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM! POTA comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
Chris L.
mlccougar wrote:
>>I'll probably end up buying this mini-series, but I'm going to be
cautiously optomistic about it: By that I mean I'll be hoping for the best, but
expecting the worse...
Why: Because BOOM's track record regarding "Planet of the Apes" hasn't been
all that great in the past, so I can only guess it'll remain that way... <<
Jeff K wrote:
>>Taking a break from their “team up” Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker (“Luke Cage”) and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the ‘70’s. <<
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Message: 76391 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/17/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html I don't think most people rolled their eyes. It's a step up from "POTA and Green Lantern". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: lawford42@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2017 9:03 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Ursus origin comic in January
I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM! POTA comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
>>I'll probably end up buying this mini-series, but I'm going to be
cautiously optomistic about it: By that I mean I'll be hoping for the best, but
expecting the worse...
Why: Because BOOM's track record regarding "Planet of the Apes" hasn't been
all that great in the past, so I can only guess it'll remain that way... << >>Taking a break from their “team up” Apes comics, BOOM! will publish a 6-issue series starting in January looking at the early career of one Ursus.
Written by David Walker (“Luke Cage”) and drawn by Chris Mooneyham, it will also have a variant cover with unused Bob Larkin artwork from the ‘70’s. << <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76392 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.html.html "Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA". A quick search still finds no release date. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes" I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released? <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76393 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
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Here's the real deal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA".
A quick search still finds no release date.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76394 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: "War" 4K Blu-ray unboxing |
.html.html Here's the first review I've seen of a "War 4 the POTA" home video. A UK video review and unboxing of the 4K/3D version. Those who are thirsty for some "War" packaging can have a look see (those who don't like the word "bitch" need not). www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2YwC5iDMKA Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76395 |
From: Dario |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.html.html Just asked Drew on FB. Answer: "Fall 2018" Dario
On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:52 AM, "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA". A quick search still finds no release date. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes" I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76396 |
From: Dario |
Date: 10/18/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.html.html He also added that it is now titled "Destroyer" of POTA. Release timed to coincide with 50th anniversary.
I kind of like the "Death" title more than "Destroyer".Dario
On Oct 18, 2017, at 11:52 AM, "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA". A quick search still finds no release date. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes" I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76397 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.html.html .htmlThank you for the update...
In a message dated 10/18/2017 7:20:05 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Just asked Drew on FB. Answer: "Fall 2018"
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76398 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.html.html .htmlI can only guess that the "Destroyer" part comes from Taylor...
In a message dated 10/18/2017 7:52:36 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
He also added that it is now titled "Destroyer" of POTA. Release timed to coincide with 50th anniversary.
I kind of like the "Death" title more than "Destroyer".
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76399 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.htmlOK, I get it. No response to this, just a few guys wondering about a comic book that ain't even out yet. That's what this group has become. Oh, the humanity.
-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
Here's the real deal.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA".
A quick search still finds no release date.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76400 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.htmlSorry. Saw this vid on FB and there were plenty of comments there so I didn't feel the need to add more.
But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago. Dario |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76401 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
| Group: pota |
Message: 76402 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html Sorry, didn't hear about this. I knew Don, he was a terrific guy. He was forever upset that his character in "Beneath" was called "Negro". Can't blame him. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Sorry. Saw this vid on FB and there were plenty of comments there so I didn't feel the need to add more. But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago. Dario
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
OK, I get it. No response to this, just a few guys wondering about a comic book that ain't even out yet. That's what this group has become. Oh, the humanity.
-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA". A quick search still finds no release date. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76403 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html I did an interview with Don about 20 years ago. I'll try to dig it up this weekend. I knew Don from sci-fi conventions and promoting Eric Greene's book. Several Ape people came out to help with that. What I'll always remember is Don sent me a postcard out of the blue just for the hell of it. That's the kind of guy he was. He had great energy and love of life. We'll always remember him as the scary mutant from "Beneath" and he got a kick out of that. He was just a fun guy to be around. But he always made sure we knew his character was Ongoro, not "Negro". As Don said, "He had a name".
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley [1 Attachment]
Sorry, didn't hear about this. I knew Don, he was a terrific guy. He was forever upset that his character in "Beneath" was called "Negro". Can't blame him. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 Sorry. Saw this vid on FB and there were plenty of comments there so I didn't feel the need to add more. But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago. Dario
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
OK, I get it. No response to this, just a few guys wondering about a comic book that ain't even out yet. That's what this group has become. Oh, the humanity. -----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA". A quick search still finds no release date. Sent from
Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76404 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.htmlSounds like his outrage r/e Beneath was manufactured, considering how his character name apparently wasn't ever spoken in the movie, it's Spanish for black (benignly enough) anyway, and he went on to do a movie entitled:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76405 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html No, his outrage wasn't manufactured. The character is called "Negro" in the credits. The title of that movie is a different thing (though I haven't seen it). I assume the title refers to the times and how casually they used the "n" word. It's a very 70's title. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley Sounds like his outrage r/e Beneath was manufactured, considering how his character name apparently wasn't ever spoken in the movie, it's Spanish for black (benignly enough) anyway, and he went on to do a movie entitled: <.html |
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes" |
.htmlYeah, I hadn't heard that either. He seemed like a nice guy from what I read from fans that met him at shows and conventions. Too bad.
Soon everyone will be gone. I saw Lou Wagner in a recent TV show just a few weeks ago, and at first I thought it was Jerry Stiller, he looked so old.
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
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.htmlHe was also on Daniel Boone for a season. Never had the career he could have. The camera liked him.
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Sorry, didn't hear about this. I knew Don, he was a terrific guy.
He was forever upset that his character in "Beneath" was called "Negro". Can't blame him.
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Sorry. Saw this vid on FB and there were plenty of comments there so I didn't feel the need to add more.
But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago.
Dario
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
OK, I get it. No response to this, just a few guys wondering about a comic book that ain't even out yet. That's what this group has become. Oh, the humanity.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA".
A quick search still finds no release date.
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
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Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.htmlNegro is no longer politically correct, so drop it, and the use of it in BENEATH just shows how old the movie is.
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Sent: Thu, Oct 19, 2017 12:06 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley
Sounds like his outrage r/e Beneath was manufactured, considering how his character name apparently wasn't ever spoken in the movie, it's Spanish for black (benignly enough) anyway, and he went on to do a movie entitled:
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
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.htmlSeems to me like you just mix up the letters and add an O!
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Sent: Thu, Oct 19, 2017 12:07 pm
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I did an interview with Don about 20 years ago. I'll try to dig it up this weekend.
I knew Don from sci-fi conventions and promoting Eric Greene's book. Several Ape people came out to help with that.
What I'll always remember is Don sent me a postcard out of the blue just for the hell of it. That's the kind of guy he was. He had great energy and love of life.
We'll always remember him as the scary mutant from "Beneath" and he got a kick out of that. He was just a fun guy to be around. But he always made sure we knew his character was Ongoro, not "Negro". As Don said, "He had a name".
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Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 8:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley [1 Attachment]
Sorry, didn't hear about this. I knew Don, he was a terrific guy.
He was forever upset that his character in "Beneath" was called "Negro". Can't blame him.
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Sorry. Saw this vid on FB and there were plenty of comments there so I didn't feel the need to add more.
But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago.
Dario
On Thu, Oct 19, 2017 at 7:57 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
OK, I get it. No response to this, just a few guys wondering about a comic book that ain't even out yet. That's what this group has become. Oh, the humanity.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 5:59 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 18, 2017 11:49 am
Subject: RE: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
"Death" is the long awaited sequel to Drew Gaska's 2011 "Conspiracy on the POTA".
A quick search still finds no release date.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 16, 2017 2:31 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] "Death of the Planet of the Apes"
I purchased "Planet of the Apes-Omnibus # 3" and it shows this title as "Also available from Titan Books"... I did a brief search online and I couldn't find anything about it, so I'm guessing it's still forthcoming but not with its upcoming release date printed (as is the case with "POTA-Omnibus # 4)...
Does anyone know when "Death/POTA" is expected to be released?
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Message: 76410 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley [1 Attachment] |
.htmlI've heard stories that he claimed his script either listed Ongaro or Ongoro. I've even wondered if the studio, realizing their insensitivity, had a revised script made just for him since it would mean retyping a few pages. He isn't named in the movie but it's the end credits that have him listed as Negro.
I can understand the frustration but the important thing is we liked him just as he was regardless of 'name'. He also had a similar role in George Luca's THX-1138 so his face was very familiar in those days. Heard nothing but the best from his appearances and interaction with fans. So few of the originals left with us, but I don't want to dwell on that. RIP DPC
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Message: 76411 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlIn Beneath, Don Pedro Colley's character said to Brent that he and his people had their enemies fight each other.
Nowadays the White House seeks to:
1) abolish the inheritance tax for the extremely wealthy;
Isn't it therefore suiting that as those reforms are poised to potentially sneak into our lives, we're busy discussing Don Pedro Colley in a way that takes our eye off the ball and keeps us concentrating on differences regarding what's the latest acceptable verbiage according to the P.C. profiteers & predators?
Brent & Taylor didn't fall for the scam for the duration though... Nova helped rescue them. Is there a Nova in our group (yet)? :-)
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Message: 76412 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlThe only "Nova" I recall from this board would be Jessica Rotich who ironically did meet DPC on at least one occasion and had a great time with him. But she, like many other former Yahoo group regulars, is now nearly exclusively using Facebook for her POTA fix.
I won't get into politics because it's never healthy to bring it up on any fandom forum, and usually leads to anarchy and infighting which has nothing to do with the basis of the forum at all. Besides I'm Canadian and not as directly impacted unless someone ends up launching another Alpha-Omega. I will say this though: I feel for you. Over... |
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Message: 76413 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.html.html What does that have to do with anything? All I did was bring up a memory of Don Pedro upon his death. He had every right to be offended at being called "the Negro" in the credits for "Beneath". All the other mutants had names. Well, I guess one was called "Fat Man". The credit people got a little lazy. As far as what the White House seeks, who cares? The only thing that comes out of Trump's mouth is lies and distractions. We'll just have to wait 3 years until he gets his ass thrown out of the Caucasian House. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Subject: [pota] Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now In Beneath, Don Pedro Colley's character said to Brent that he and his people had their enemies fight each other. Nowadays the White House seeks to: 1) abolish the inheritance tax for the extremely wealthy; Isn't it therefore suiting that as those reforms are poised to potentially sneak into our lives, we're busy discussing Don Pedro Colley in a way that takes our eye off the ball and keeps us concentrating on differences regarding what's the latest acceptable verbiage according to the P.C. profiteers & predators? Brent & Taylor didn't fall for the scam for the duration though... Nova helped rescue them. Is there a Nova in our group (yet)? :-) <.html |
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Message: 76414 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html .htmlI wasn't aware of his passing until I read it in your post... That's too bad...
In a message dated 10/19/2017 8:58:53 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
But what is surprising is that there hasn't been a peep about the passing of Don Pedro Colley two days ago.
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
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.html.html .htmlI hope you do, that'd be an interesting read...
In a message dated 10/19/2017 11:06:36 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I did an interview with Don about 20 years ago. I'll try to dig it up this weekend.
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/19/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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I was told it was okay to pass this along to the group.
As distasteful as the ongoing debate is about the character in Beneath called "Negro," (worse in light of Don Pedro Colley's passing) in each and every draft I read (most of which were written before Don Pedro Colley was even hired) sadly, the character was always named "Negro."
Here's the facts from the Jacobs Archive and feel free to copy my e-mail to the Yahoo! Apes group:
- I have a proposed Casting memo from APJ to Ted Post & Mort Abrahams dated February 14, 1969 (which even uses the title Planet of the Apes Revisited) under the character "Negro" is the name Woody Strode. Also this is when Burt Reynolds was above James Franciscus on the wish list.
- Don Pedro Colley was hired on April 4, 1969 to play "Negro" for 2 weeks and 3 days for $5,200.
- I'm sure you've seen this, but the original Promo packet for Planet of the Apes flatly describes, "...Dodge, a Negro..." (The yellow/red/black text promo packet)
- Also, I have internal Fox marketing memos from 1972, based on the reaction in Long Beach by African American audience members to the preview of Conquest, they discussed concentrating the film's release in "black areas."
Makes me hold my nose. Yuck!
John
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Message: 76417 |
From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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From: knightangel314 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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Weeks ago I shared an article here advocating for a remake of the 1968 Planet of the Apes masterpiece. A main argument in it is that POTA is inherently political, and times have changed over the past half a century. A fresh revisitation is therefore (purportedly) warranted. I mention this so that our Canadian friend won't think that we'll disintegrate for getting political once in a while. It's in our nature, and that's part of why we LOVE Planet of the Apes. The lawyer in me doesn't mind getting political. But I always try to tie it in to Planet of the Apes, as I did earlier today with how Washington D.C. is trying to get us divided & conquered over political correctness while it sneaks a predatory agenda onto the books abolishing the national debt limit and the inheritance tax on the exceedingly wealthy. Neither has happened yet, but I've read that December is the
target month. Don Pedro Colley's character went down dividing & conquering nearly half a century ago but he need not fade away now while leaving us divided & conquered over superficial differences. If he was offended that Adipose (which means fat) had a name that didn't pertain to race whereas he did, perhaps he was equally offended that government programs such as Affirmative Action acquire require one to notice race. Maybe he couldn't stand hearing rap music, either, since it typically uses words that make "negro" seem like the benign term that it actually is. I reiterate that in Spanish it means "black" and nowadays African-Americans refer to themselves that way (as African-Americans), and / or as blacks.
Fortunately Rise of the Planet of the Apes got us focusing on evil PEOPLE instead of colors. The head of the company that mistreated the apes so much was black, interestingly enough, even as the mean cage-keeper Dodge Landon was white. I'm glad to see that Don Pedro Colley was so warmly appreciated in the Planet of the Apes community over the years. He did a fine (if not frightening) job in Beneath and I still get shivers thinking about him.
I still hope that Fox might someday make a prequel to Beneath, involving the evolution of the Underdwellers, based on James' very fine work here half a decade ago. Star Wars has a spinoff prequel about Han Solo in the oven and previously had Rogue One (the mission to empower Leia to help try to destroy the Death Star). It also had the prequels to the original. I'm fatigued with Star Wars (though I loved Rogue One) although I'm fine with more prequels for Planet of the Apes. I'm not sure that politics "is" so different now that we really need a re-make of the 1968 Planet of the Apes. I'm going to go out on a reputedly blasphemous limb now and suggest that the 2001 hit Planet of the Apes was a revisitation / re-make of the 1968 original. New chapters seem less likely to tick off fans, than re-makes and revisitations do, doesn't it seem?
At any rate, R.I.P. Don Pedro Colley... who did a fine job not just as an actor in our beloved franchise but as a fan-club booster during the subsequent decades. Thanks for everything, from Houston.
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Message: 76420 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: G I A C C H I N O 5 0 |
.html.html Michael Giacchino is throwing a party today. To celebrate his 50th birthday this month (it was actually on October 10) the composer of "Dawn" and "War" is doing a concert at the famous Royal Albert Hall in London. He also plans to debut his "War 4 the POTA" suite. "Apes" director Matt Reeves will be among the filmmakers in attendance. Giacchino has had something of a meteoric rise. A little over 15 years ago he was doing music for video games (including working with Spielberg on the "Jurassic Park" game). J.J. Abrams asked him to do the music for his new series "Alias", for which Michael did every episode of it's 5 year run. He also did every episode of J.J.'s powerhouse "Lost" for 6 years.
Meanwhile, he started dipping his toe in movies, scoring Pixar movies like "The Incredibles", "Ratatouille", his Oscar-winning "Up", "Inside Out", "Cars 2", "Zootopia" and the upcoming "Coco" and "Incredibles 2". As J.J. became a movie director Giacchino became his go to: the 3 new "Star Trek" films, "Mission: Impossible" 3 and 4, "Super 8". They had to split up when J.J. moved on to a new "Star Wars" trilogy, since that was John Williams domain, but Giacchino became the first composer not named John Williams to do a "Star Wars" movie, doing the first of the stand alones, "Rogue One". He also did the "Star Tours" ride at Disneyland, as well as redoing the music for their "Space Mountain". He even did their "Tomorrowland " movie.
Giacchino insists he works only with directors he likes and is friends with. They just happen to be making some of the biggest movies around. He hooked up with J.J.'s lifelong friend and "Felicity" co-creator Matt Reeves on "Cloverfield" (only the end credits have music), "Let Me In", "Dawn" and "War" and most likely Reeves upcoming "Batman" movie. He hooked up with Brad Bird on "The Incredibles" and that begat "Ratatouille", "Tomorrowland", "Mission: Impossible – Ghost Protocol" and the upcoming "Incredibles 2". Pixar director Andrew Stanton teamed with Giacchino on another sci-fi classic, "John Carter" (actually a pretty good movie even though it didn't do so well). Those directors and more will be part of the concert.
And of course Giacchino has branched out into the audience favorite of the moment, superhero movies ("Doctor Strange", "Spider-man: Homecoming" and prob Reeves' "Batman"). Maybe there's no film composer with more famous franchises under his belt. Oh, almost 20 years after doing the "Jurassic Park" game he has done the smash "Jurassic World" and it's upcoming sequel. The mind boggles. Congrats, Matt! Thanx for the Apes music and the rest. Hope to see your concert on blu-ray someday. www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCiglqx3is
royalalberthall.com/about-the-hall/news/2017/october/everything-has-to-be-the-right-emotional-space-oscar-winner-michael-giacchino-leads-a-screen-composition-masterclass/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76421 |
From: The Soft Parade |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html Perhaps the United Negro College Fund should change their name? And why would the term "negro" be any more or less offensive than the term "caucasion"? Maybe the name was just a point of delineation. And "Woody Strowd" (sp?) was likely the name of an actor considered for casting in the role. Don Pedro said to me personally,he was not upset at the term, just perplexed by it.
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:15 PM, "Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've heard stories that he claimed his script either listed Ongaro or Ongoro. I've even wondered if the studio, realizing their insensitivity, had a revised script made just for him since it would mean retyping a few pages. He isn't named in the movie but it's the end credits that have him listed as Negro.
I can understand the frustration but the important thing is we liked him just as he was regardless of 'name'. He also had a similar role in George Luca's THX-1138 so his face was very familiar in those days. Heard nothing but the best from his appearances and interaction with fans. So few of the originals left with us, but I don't want to dwell on that. RIP DPC
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Message: 76422 |
From: The Soft Parade |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Death of Don Pedro Colley |
.html.html Also-the use of the Victor Buono character's name as "Fat Man" utilizes the same delineation theory
On Friday, October 20, 2017 10:00 AM, The Soft Parade <softparadeband@...> wrote:
Perhaps the United Negro College Fund should change their name? And why would the term "negro" be any more or less offensive than the term "caucasion"? Maybe the name was just a point of delineation. And "Woody Strowd" (sp?) was likely the name of an actor considered for casting in the role. Don Pedro said to me personally,he was not upset at the term, just perplexed by it.
On Thursday, October 19, 2017 1:15 PM, "Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I've heard stories that he claimed his script either listed Ongaro or Ongoro. I've even wondered if the studio, realizing their insensitivity, had a revised script made just for him since it would mean retyping a few pages. He isn't named in the movie but it's the end credits that have him listed as Negro.
I can understand the frustration but the important thing is we liked him just as he was regardless of 'name'. He also had a similar role in George Luca's THX-1138 so his face was very familiar in those days. Heard nothing but the best from his appearances and interaction with fans. So few of the originals left with us, but I don't want to dwell on that. RIP DPC
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Message: 76423 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/20/2017 |
| Subject: Re: G I A C C H I N O 5 0 |
.htmlHappy birthday Mr. Giacchino, and congrats!
I enjoyed John Carter, by the way. It made a lot of money but, like Waterworld, cost more. |
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Message: 76424 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/21/2017 |
| Subject: Does Japan have enough ticket purchases left in it to bring War from |
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Does Japan have enough ticket purchases left in it to bring War from $487 million to $500+ million in global ticket sales? Stay tuned...
Again, Dawn made far less than Rise in Japan. Jeff thinks War is more like Rise than Dawn, though. In some ways, yes it is. But I submit that the Japanese didn't like Dawn and won't like War too much because both show that our actions have repercussions. The nation that reportedly still hasn't apologized for "comfort women" taken from neighboring East Asian countries during WWII etc. isn't into accountability for alleged wrongs. That's nevertheless a theme in War, as we see with the Colonel's eventual demise and the eventual loathing of humans by apes who meet Charlton Heston. But as Jeff would likely say, Rise and War are about liberation from oppressors, through cleverness. That can appeal to some Japanese, for sure, but Rise involved using technology for liberation. War, not so
much. The Japanese seem to find pursuing technological advances to be liberating.
At any rate, in Mexico, War brought in over $15 million bucks. Japan's population's comparably sized, but more wealthy. Can Japan bring War over the half a billion in ticket sales mark?
Stay tuned, and meanwhile have a refreshing weekend! :-)
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Message: 76425 |
From: James |
Date: 10/21/2017 |
| Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes" |
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Message: 76426 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: My review of Revelations, the war prequel novel. |
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Message: 76427 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: No "War" frills? |
.html.html How popular is POTA? Well, it looks like there's no big retailer exclusives for the blu-ray that hits Tuesday. Usually Walmart, Best Buy and Target have different versions of the video to tempt us into their stores. Best Buy usually has a steelbook cover, Target usually has an extra disc of content and Walmart has something else. But not for "War". Target didn't even mention it in their Sunday ad. It's a loser (except for quality), the people have spoken and they want superheroes and live-action Disney cartoons. And Trump. That's just the way it is.
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Message: 76428 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
.html.html "War 4 the POTA" has inched within $10 million of $500 million. I'm almost tempted to fly to Japan and spend $10 million on Apes tickets but I won't. I could, but I've just never been good at putting my money where my mouth is. I think it goes back to my childhood when a bully wanted my milk money. I could've given him $10 million dollars and kept my milk but I didn't. ☹ So, will "War" reach $500 million worldwide? Only the Shadow knows! Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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Message: 76429 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: "War" chest: $490 million |
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Message: 76430 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: My review of Revelations, the war prequel novel. |
.html"The novel lacks grandeur in the plot and is just one stretched threadbare setup to War without really giving us much that is new or revealing.
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Thanks, Dario. You saved me wasting time.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 22, 2017 8:53 am
Subject: [pota] My review of Revelations, the war prequel novel.
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Message: 76431 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.htmlThe people want Trump? Not most of them.
Anyway, there are DVDs, Blu-rays, 3D Blu-rays, and finally 4K UHD editions. You else do you want? A chimpanzee reach around?
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Sent: Sun, Oct 22, 2017 12:58 pm
Subject: [pota] No "War" frills?
How popular is POTA?
Well, it looks like there's no big retailer exclusives for the blu-ray that hits Tuesday.
Usually Walmart, Best Buy and Target have different versions of the video to tempt us into their stores.
Best Buy usually has a steelbook cover, Target usually has an extra disc of content and Walmart has something else.
But not for "War". Target didn't even mention it in their Sunday ad. It's a loser (except for quality), the people have spoken and they want superheroes and live-action Disney cartoons. And Trump. That's just the way it is.
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Message: 76432 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.htmlPerhaps this analysis explains what you're insightfully reporting, Jeff? How many "feel-good, holiday-release" films include somewhat racially tinged whipping scenes? These stores use feel-good movies to bring in the holiday shoppers. Rise and Dawn may have had such promotionals, but weren't quite as touching upon topics that get these stores sued. Employment discrimination allegations, and anti-shoplifter measures are concerns at these stores. The U.S.A. has become such a hostage to extremists that folks fear being hauled in front of a jury and painted as supremacists and such while plaintiffs ask for a lot and more. |
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Message: 76433 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
.htmlIt would seem that War won't do even as well as Dawn did in Japan (let alone Rise) assuming that the latest figures already reflect Japan's revenues.
War's already out on iTunes, as has been reported here, and meanwhile more folks are viewing movies at home.
But maybe re-releases later on can help pull War over the half a million mark? :-) |
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Message: 76434 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.html.html "Dawn" had all the frills (action figures, a Caesar ape head) but people didn't buy them. In the end POTA is not a popular franchise. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 12:39 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: No "War" frills?
Perhaps this analysis explains what you're insightfully reporting, Jeff?
How many "feel-good, holiday-release" films include somewhat racially tinged whipping scenes? These stores use feel-good movies to bring in the holiday shoppers. Rise and Dawn may have had such promotionals, but weren't quite as touching upon topics that get these stores sued. Employment discrimination allegations, and anti-shoplifter measures are concerns at these stores. The U.S.A. has become such a hostage to extremists that folks fear being hauled in front of a jury and painted as supremacists and such while plaintiffs ask for a lot and more. <.html |
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Message: 76435 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/22/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide |
.html.html There's still a chance. As Deadline said, Japan is a box office that marinates. But $500 million by the release of the blu-ray would have been nice. Twitter is full of people finally watching "War" going, "OMG, this is a great movie!". Too little, too late. Enjoy "Fast and Furious Whatever Number". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 12:43 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" chest: $190 million worldwide It would seem that War won't do even as well as Dawn did in Japan (let alone Rise) assuming that the latest figures already reflect Japan's revenues.
War's already out on iTunes, as has been reported here, and meanwhile more folks are viewing movies at home. But maybe re-releases later on can help pull War over the half a million mark? :-) <.html |
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Message: 76436 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Woody Strode |
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"I have a proposed Casting memo from APJ to Ted Post & Mort Abrahams
dated February 14, 1969 (which even uses the title Planet of the Apes Revisited)
under the character “Negro” is the name Woody Strode."
If memory serves, Victory Buono was in some spaghetti westerns as well.
Which may give insight as to where some of Ted Post's casting choices came
from.
Chris L.
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Message: 76437 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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Yeah, but it always seems to be a crossover, an origin story, a "this
is what happened between" story, or "this is what happened 10 years before
(insert movie title) story". In the classic POTA continuity there are
literally centuries worth of time where stories could be told, yet no
one has come up with an original ongoing storyline or new characters since
Doug Moench back in the 70's.
Chris L.
Jeff K. wrote:
>>I donÂ’t think most people rolled their eyes.
ItÂ’s a step up from
“POTA and Green Lantern”. <<
I wrote:
>>I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM!
POTA comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
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Message: 76438 |
From: totellthetruth42 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
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You mean on other, older POTA comic books series that have been done
in the past?
Chris L.
haristas wrote:
>>What can we say? It's based on what's been done in the past.
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I wrote:
>>I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM!
POTA comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes...
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Message: 76439 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
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I wasn't aware that Dawn merchandise such as toys didn't sell well. That's surprising. Disappointing too. During the 1970s, didn't Mego's POTA toys sell well? |
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Message: 76440 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.html.html .htmlMaybe TARGET stores have different flyers for different regions of the country, because the TARGET ad in the Sunday paper here did indeed feature it in their ad: Blu-Ray+DVD+Digital $19.99, DVD $14.99, and 4K $24.99. (It's on page 15 in the local TARGET flyer.)
And, a regional store called SHOPKO has it in their flyer: DVD $17.99 and Blu-Ray $19.99.... Plus, in the SHOPKO ad, where it shows which televisions are on sale, it features images from "WAR" on the TV screens...
But not for "War". Target didn't even mention it in their Sunday ad.
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Message: 76441 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.html.html .htmlI'd tend to disagree: It may not be as popular in the mainstream as "Star Wars" & "Star Trek", but it's been around for nearly 50 years (and has been around longer than that if you take the publication of the novel into consideration). It may be more of a niche type franchise, but I'm alright with that... I kind of like it being seen as more of a "cult" franchise that the two "Star" franchises...
If "APES" is not a popular franchise, then why three new films? Granted, they're not like the old films, but like the originals, they are based on Boulle's concept(s) and have done well enough at the box office for the first rebooted film to spawn two sequels... They rarely ever keep making films they don't think are going to make money, and it seems to me at least, that to make money, it has to be at least relatively popular...
In a message dated 10/22/2017 5:07:53 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
In the end POTA is not a popular franchise.
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Message: 76442 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
.htmlI got a shipping notice from Amazon this morning that the Blu-ray I pre-ordered of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has shipped and will be at my door Tuesday morning! But I also pre-ordered the 4K restoration of James Whale's THE OLD DARK HOUSE (1932) and that's going to arrive in the same package. I'm really more interested in that, but there's an extra on the WAR BD where everyone talks about the original movie and its sequels and that's going to be the first thing I check out on the WAR Blu-ray.
For those of you that will only be getting WAR on DVD.... enjoy! For those here that will be getting WAR in 4K UHD Blu-ray.... I don't think you exist here!
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Message: 76443 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
.html.html The sticker on "War" sez there's 2 hours of bonus feature, 20 minutes of which are deleted scenes. There's something called "The Apes Saga: a Homage", which is prob what you mentioned. The filmmakers seem to be fans and they know this will be our 50th anniversary thing. From the reviews I've seen, getting these new Apes movies in 4K or 3D isn't worth it. They aren't much different than the blu-ray, except of course there will be a slight upgrade with those formats. But Fox didn't go out of their way. Sent from Mail
for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 7:52 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping!
I got a shipping notice from Amazon this morning that the Blu-ray I pre-ordered of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has shipped and will be at my door Tuesday morning! But I also pre-ordered the 4K restoration of James Whale's THE OLD DARK HOUSE (1932) and that's going to arrive in the same package. I'm really more interested in that, but there's an extra on the WAR BD where everyone talks about the original movie and its sequels and that's going to be the first thing I check out on the WAR Blu-ray.
For those of you that will only be getting WAR on DVD.... enjoy! For those here that will be getting WAR in 4K UHD Blu-ray.... I don't think you exist here! <.html |
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Message: 76444 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.html.html Yeah, I double checked and the Target ad did have "War". But no special edition (which went to "The Emoji Movie"). Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mlccougar@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:29 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: No "War" frills? Maybe TARGET stores have different flyers for different regions of the country, because the TARGET ad in the Sunday paper here did indeed feature it in their ad: Blu-Ray+DVD+Digital $19.99, DVD $14.99, and 4K $24.99. (It's on page 15 in the local TARGET flyer.)
And, a regional store called SHOPKO has it in their flyer: DVD $17.99 and Blu-Ray $19.99.... Plus, in the SHOPKO ad, where it shows which televisions are on sale, it features images from "WAR" on the TV screens...
But not for "War". Target didn't even mention it in their Sunday ad.
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Message: 76445 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Blu-ray much? |
.html.html Has anyone received the "War" blu-ray early, those that pre-ordered it? Let us know if it's groovy or not, particularly the extras. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76446 |
From: stuartdruc |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! [1 Attachment] |
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I have to disagree with that. The UHD disc has a Dolby Atmos soundtrack, which makes the audio much more immersive if you have a system that supports it, meaning many post-2014 A/V receivers. The minimum speaker setup I would do to get any benefit from Atmos would be 7.1.4. That's left/right/center + pair of side surrounds and a pair of rear surrounds, to go with front and back height speakers; the .1 is a subwoofer. The video is a little more hit and miss. You're not going to notice much difference vs. a regular Blu-Ray unless you have a TV that supports UHD, though. However, you can still get the benefit of the Atmos sound, as UHD players will usually downres the UHD to normal 1080p HDTV quality.
See this review: https://www.hometheaterforum.com/war-planet-apes-uhd-review/
I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but Atmos and the similar DTS:X mix are slowly making their way into the mainstream and getting used for legacy releases as well as more current action blockbusters. They just came up with an UHD/Atmos version of Bridge Over the River Kwai (1957), Apollo 13, Bram Stoker's Dracula, and some others. Someday we may get similar treatment for the original Apes movies, I hope.
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From: "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]"
Sent: Oct 23, 2017 11:32 AM
To: "pota@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping! [1 Attachment]
The sticker on "War" sez there's 2 hours of bonus feature, 20 minutes of which are deleted scenes. There's something called "The Apes Saga: a Homage", which is prob what you mentioned. The filmmakers seem to be fans and they know this will be our 50th anniversary thing. From the reviews I've seen, getting these new Apes movies in 4K or 3D isn't worth it. They aren't much different than the blu-ray, except of course there will be a slight upgrade with those formats. But Fox didn't go out of their way. Sent from Mail
for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 7:52 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping!
I got a shipping notice from Amazon this morning that the Blu-ray I pre-ordered of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has shipped and will be at my door Tuesday morning! But I also pre-ordered the 4K restoration of James Whale's THE OLD DARK HOUSE (1932) and that's going to arrive in the same package. I'm really more interested in that, but there's an extra on the WAR BD where everyone talks about the original movie and its sequels and that's going to be the first thing I check out on the WAR Blu-ray.
For those of you that will only be getting WAR on DVD.... enjoy! For those here that will be getting WAR in 4K UHD Blu-ray.... I don't think you exist here!
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Message: 76447 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Ursus origin comic in January |
.html.html I figure tethering the storyline to the movies is a commercial decision based on an assumption that readers prefer not to deviate too far from what they already know/love.
I enjoyed Revolution and would love to have seen what Empire was about. I think Mr Comics could have bridged those centuries you refer to.
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 7:44 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Ursus origin comic in January
Yeah, but it always seems to be a crossover, an origin story, a "this is what happened between" story, or "this is what happened 10 years before (insert movie title) story". In the classic POTA continuity there are literally centuries worth of time where stories could be told, yet no one has come up with an original ongoing storyline or new characters since Doug Moench back in the 70's.
>>I donÂ’t think most people rolled their eyes.
It’s a step up from “POTA and Green Lantern”. << >>I really wish that the first reaction to news of the latest BOOM! POTA comic book invariably wasn't rolling one's eyes... << <.html |
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Message: 76448 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War Blu-ray Now Shipping! |
.html.html Thanx. That review gives a good list of the extras. It is indeed 2 hours of stuff, including about a half hour celebrating the originals. Plus the trailers, which I miss in most releases. Only gripe is it looks like they don't include the Heston and Jane Goodall ads. Would've been nice. Here's the stuff: Deleted scenes – 23 minutes Waging "War" (a look at the production) – 30 minutes Caesar (a look at him in all 3 movies) – 12 minutes WETA (the FX) – 10 minutes
Music (la la la) – 6 minutes Meaning of Apes (love letter 2 the originals) – 20 minutes Apes homage (how the new films fit into the originals) – 8 minutes The 3 trailers – 7 minutes Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: sdrucker@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 9:54 AM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping!
I have to disagree with that. The UHD disc has a Dolby Atmos soundtrack, which makes the audio much more immersive if you have a system that supports it, meaning many post-2014 A/V receivers. The minimum speaker setup I would do to get any benefit from Atmos would be 7.1.4. That's left/right/center + pair of side surrounds and a pair of rear surrounds, to go with front and back height speakers; the .1 is a subwoofer. The video is a little more hit and miss. You're not going to notice much difference vs. a regular Blu-Ray unless you have a TV that supports UHD, though. However, you can still get the benefit of the Atmos sound, as UHD players will usually downres the UHD to normal 1080p HDTV quality. https://www.hometheaterforum.com/war-planet-apes-uhd-review/ I doubt it will happen anytime soon, but Atmos and the similar DTS:X mix are slowly making their way into the mainstream and getting used for legacy releases as well as more current action blockbusters. They just came up with an UHD/Atmos version of Bridge Over the River Kwai (1957), Apollo 13, Bram Stoker's Dracula, and some others. Someday we may get similar treatment for the original Apes movies, I hope. -----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]"
Sent: Oct 23, 2017 11:32 AM
To: "pota@yahoogroups.com"
Subject: RE: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping! [1 Attachment]
The sticker on "War" sez there's 2 hours of bonus feature, 20 minutes of which are deleted scenes. There's something called "The Apes Saga: a Homage", which is prob what you mentioned. The filmmakers seem to be fans and they know this will be our 50th anniversary thing.
From the reviews I've seen, getting these new Apes movies in 4K or 3D isn't worth it. They aren't much different than the blu-ray, except of course there will be a slight upgrade with those formats. But Fox didn't go out of their way. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 7:52 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] War Blu-ray Now Shipping!
I got a shipping notice from Amazon this morning that the Blu-ray I pre-ordered of WAR FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES has shipped and will be at my door Tuesday morning! But I also pre-ordered the 4K restoration of James Whale's THE OLD DARK HOUSE (1932) and that's going to arrive in the same package. I'm really more interested in that, but there's an extra on the WAR BD where everyone talks about the original movie and its sequels and that's going to be the first thing I check out on the WAR Blu-ray.
For those of you that will only be getting WAR on DVD.... enjoy! For those here that will be getting WAR in 4K UHD Blu-ray.... I don't think you exist here!
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Message: 76449 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/23/2017 |
| Subject: Re: No "War" frills? |
.html.html .htmlYes, they sold very well, especially the first wave which would have been out in the marketplace for the Christmas of 1974.
In a message dated 10/23/2017 4:41:20 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
During the 1970s, didn't Mego's POTA toys sell well?
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Message: 76450 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: War is here! |
.htmlWell, I got my Blu-ray of WAR today, and for me, that means the era of WAR is over. It's now just something that sits on the shelf, a movie from the past that'll watch occasionally.
Anyway, so far I've only had time to watch the featurette "Apes: The Meaning of It All," which discusses and shows clips from the original and its sequels. It was pretty good and I appreciate its inclusion. And, I may be only thinking I'm seeing it, but the clips from the original series films look better than the now ten-year-old HD transfers on Blu-ray. If so, then it means that Fox possibly has remastered these movies and we may get a 50th Anniversary home video release next year, but I have the sickening feeling I'm probably wrong. All you can do is keep your fingers crossed.
I also watched the first "deleted scene" but I don't think I'm going to watch any more. Seeing the ape actors just wearing their motion capture suits isn't pleasurable for me.
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Message: 76451 |
From: Stuart Drucker |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! |
.html.htmlSame here...I may buy the UHD of WAR to have the Atmos soundtrack for my home theater, but I don't have a strong desire to see the movie again except for continuity reasons.
I haven't heard anything, but I have a friend in LA that works in consumer A/V with a Hollywood film mixer among his circle out there. If POTA is announced to get a UHD release I'll post it here.
Stuart Sent from my iPad On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Well, I got my Blu-ray of WAR today, and for me, that means the era of WAR is over. It's now just something that sits on the shelf, a movie from the past that'll watch occasionally.
Anyway, so far I've only had time to watch the featurette "Apes: The Meaning of It All," which discusses and shows clips from the original and its sequels. It was pretty good and I appreciate its inclusion. And, I may be only thinking I'm seeing it, but the clips from the original series films look better than the now ten-year-old HD transfers on Blu-ray. If so, then it means that Fox possibly has remastered these movies and we may get a 50th Anniversary home video release next year, but I have the sickening feeling I'm probably wrong. All you can do is keep your fingers crossed.
I also watched the first "deleted scene" but I don't think I'm going to watch any more. Seeing the ape actors just wearing their motion capture suits isn't pleasurable for me.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76452 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/24/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! |
.html.html The music extra is almost as much about the original as "War". "The Meaning of It All" and "Homages" are good about the originals too. Woody's speech deleted scene channels "Patton". Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:56 AM
To:
pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] War is here! Well, I got my Blu-ray of WAR today, and for me, that means the era of WAR is over. It's now just something that sits on the shelf, a movie from the past that'll watch occasionally.
Anyway, so far I've only had time to watch the featurette "Apes: The Meaning of It All," which discusses and shows clips from the original and its sequels. It was pretty good and I appreciate its inclusion. And, I may be only thinking I'm seeing it, but the clips from the original series films look better than the now ten-year-old HD transfers on Blu-ray. If so, then it means that Fox possibly has remastered these movies and we may get a 50th Anniversary home video release next year, but I have the sickening feeling I'm probably wrong. All you can do is keep your fingers crossed.
I also watched the first "deleted scene" but I don't think I'm going to watch any more. Seeing the ape actors just wearing their motion capture suits isn't pleasurable for me. <.html |
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Message: 76453 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/25/2017 |
| Subject: Re: War is here! [1 Attachment] |
.htmlI'm just getting to that music extra. Goldsmith's original score selections sound good too in the other featurettes.
I also listened to some of Matt Reeves commentary. Maybe it's just me getting old, but he sounds like such a kid.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Oct 25, 2017 12:57 am
Subject: RE: [pota] War is here! [1 Attachment]
The music extra is almost as much about the original as "War". "The Meaning of It All" and "Homages" are good about the originals too.
Woody's speech deleted scene channels "Patton".
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2017 9:56 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] War is here!
Well, I got my Blu-ray of WAR today, and for me, that means the era of WAR is over. It's now just something that sits on the shelf, a movie from the past that'll watch occasionally.
Anyway, so far I've only had time to watch the featurette "Apes: The Meaning of It All," which discusses and shows clips from the original and its sequels. It was pretty good and I appreciate its inclusion. And, I may be only thinking I'm seeing it, but the clips from the original series films look better than the now ten-year-old HD transfers on Blu-ray. If so, then it means that Fox possibly has remastered these movies and we may get a 50th Anniversary home video release next year, but I have the sickening feeling I'm probably wrong. All you can do is keep your fingers crossed.
I also watched the first "deleted scene" but I don't think I'm going to watch any more. Seeing the ape actors just wearing their motion capture suits isn't pleasurable for me.
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Message: 76454 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html OK, so we can all hold "War 4 the POTA" in our hands (if we want it). What's next? Where do we want Oliver Stone to go with this franchise? It's possible there won't be another one since the box office wasn't all that. But overall the franchise has shown potential, especially "Dawn". I think it's a given they won't pick up where "War" left off. The box office seems to show people are tired of nekid apes. The best bet is to go ahead 200 years or so and give us a society where the apes are large and in charge, basically what we think of with POTA. We want to see them in clothes saying "Man is evil!".
The plus side is that Fox is very loyal to their franchises. Look how many "X-Men" and "Alien" movies there have been, through good and bad. "Predator" has another shot even though the last one tanked. Here's my scenario: we've had the Caesar trilogy. Let's do a second trilogy set early in the ape civilization where humans are downtrodden but not animals. I guess like the TV show situation (for those who don't like the TV show, nothing sez they can't have better scripts – not that I didn't like some of the TV scripts).
A third trilogy could be set in the situation of "Planet" and "Beneath", a thousand years later. Humans are animals. Could that be sustained 4 a trilogy? That's up to the writers and directors but I have faith in the production company. I'd like to see Matt Reeves come back for that last trilogy, do the first one and then Rupert Wyatt do the last two, maybe bring back the astronauts he sent off in "Rise". They could finish what they started. The middle trilogy – Oliver Stone the first one (in return for Chernin producing his dream project, the My Lai Vietnam story "Pinkville") and then maybe his director son Sean 4 the other two. That's my Neverland Ranch vision 4 the future of Ape movies. What's yours? Sent from
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Message: 76455 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlOliver Stone isn't going to want a damn thing to do with POTA. Geez!
I think it's pretty obvious where the franchise will go if you listen to Andy Serkis -- ape conflicts. Civil wars between apes, maybe involving humans in some way. Serkis wants to direct and I think already is. He's the one most likely, I think, to helm the next movie -- if there is one.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 7:01 am
Subject: [pota] "War" is over if you want it
OK, so we can all hold "War 4 the POTA" in our hands (if we want it). What's next? Where do we want Oliver Stone to go with this franchise?
It's possible there won't be another one since the box office wasn't all that. But overall the franchise has shown potential, especially "Dawn". I think it's a given they won't pick up where "War" left off. The box office seems to show people are tired of nekid apes. The best bet is to go ahead 200 years or so and give us a society where the apes are large and in charge, basically what we think of with POTA. We want to see them in clothes saying "Man is evil!".
The plus side is that Fox is very loyal to their franchises. Look how many "X-Men" and "Alien" movies there have been, through good and bad. "Predator" has another shot even though the last one tanked.
Here's my scenario: we've had the Caesar trilogy. Let's do a second trilogy set early in the ape civilization where humans are downtrodden but not animals. I guess like the TV show situation (for those who don't like the TV show, nothing sez they can't have better scripts – not that I didn't like some of the TV scripts).
A third trilogy could be set in the situation of "Planet" and "Beneath", a thousand years later. Humans are animals. Could that be sustained 4 a trilogy? That's up to the writers and directors but I have faith in the production company. I'd like to see Matt Reeves come back for that last trilogy, do the first one and then Rupert Wyatt do the last two, maybe bring back the astronauts he sent off in "Rise". They could finish what they started.
The middle trilogy – Oliver Stone the first one (in return for Chernin producing his dream project, the My Lai Vietnam story "Pinkville") and then maybe his director son Sean 4 the other two.
That's my Neverland Ranch vision 4 the future of Ape movies. What's yours?
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/26/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlWe had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
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Message: 76457 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting. Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech. A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios. After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is: a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago. Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise. Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend. As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos? But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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Message: 76458 |
From: MarshallG |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html We haven't seen the creation of the Forbidden Zone yet. From: pota@yahoogroups.com [pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 4:41 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting. Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech. A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios.
After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is: a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago. Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend. As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos? But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-) <.html |
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Message: 76459 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlI very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 9:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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We haven't seen the creation of the Forbidden Zone yet.
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From: 'MarshallG' mgreythorne@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 2:21 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We haven't seen the creation of the Forbidden Zone yet.
From: pota@yahoogroups.com [mailto:pota@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 4:41 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting.
Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech.
A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios.
After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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Message: 76461 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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When I talk of ape civil wars, I'm talking about an early ape civilization where they are many simian "city-states" such as existed in ancient times in Greece and Italy. If you want a template to what possible future POTA movies -- set in a prehistory before the coming of the Lawgiver and the society that would directly lead to the one seen in the '68 original -- could be like, just use ancient human civilizations as your analogy. If you don't use POTA as an analogy of ourselves, you're not really doing POTA right. The conflicts between the apes, between three different species actually, can mirror current conflicts humanity is still grappling with, but those early simian civilizations will have to be primitive, much more primitive than seen in the '68 movie, and, I think, quite savage. Imagine an ape army of chimpanzees battling one of the gorillas, with the orangutans in both camps pulling
the strings and trying to influence the outcomes. I can also envision the apes losing their knowledge of guns for a time -- how would they manufacture them and the ammo? -- so these early ape societies would revert to swords and spears for a few hundred years. And humanity? Either mute animal-like pets to the apes ("And Proteus brought the upright creature into the garden and chained him to a tree."), or savage animal-like primitives living in the forests or jungles of what was once the US. Their involvement in future POTA movies would only be to further complicate the plot, but you could simply repeat much of what was in the original film by simply having, seemingly out of nowhere, emerge a brighter-than-average human that can talk and lead the humans and thus create a threat to all the apes that they finally have to unite in to defeat, thus further setting up the situation found in "the world of the original film." This could be the
story arc of a new trilogy and you'd still only be two or three hundred years into the two thousand year timeline between now and 3978.
Not that I think this is what Fox is going to do. Most likely something much simpler and more cartoonish.
I also have an idea for a great conclusion to a future POTA movie in which a "mutant" human emerges that's intelligent and can talk, and after a struggle with the apes to free his fellow humans from the shackles of simian oppression and slavery, leads his people into the wilderness where, in the last shot of the film, they discover Mount Rushmore.
What does everyone here think of that idea?
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 2:13 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting.
Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech.
A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios.
After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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