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| Group: pota |
Message: 76462 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76463 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76464 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76465 |
From: stuartdruc |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76466 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76467 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76468 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76469 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76470 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76471 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76472 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76473 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76474 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76475 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76476 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76477 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76478 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76479 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76480 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76481 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76482 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76483 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76484 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76485 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76486 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76487 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76488 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76489 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76490 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76491 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76492 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76493 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76494 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76495 |
From: Tim |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76496 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76497 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76498 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76499 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76500 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76501 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76502 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76503 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76504 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76505 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76506 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76507 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76508 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Reviews at RedBox.com are mainly favorable for War |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76509 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76510 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76511 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76512 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76513 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76514 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76515 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76516 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76517 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76518 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76519 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76520 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76521 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76522 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76523 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76524 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins [1 Attachment] |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76525 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76526 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76527 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76528 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76529 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: Another project of POTA '68 "co-author" Rod Serling gets rebooted... |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76530 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: "POTA: Last Frontier" video game hits PlayStation Nov. 21 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76531 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: correct "Last Frontier" promo |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76532 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: OT: "Jane" wins Best Documentary |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76533 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/5/2017 |
| Subject: Depressing NYT article |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76534 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76535 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76536 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76537 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76538 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76539 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76540 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76541 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76542 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76543 |
From: Melinda |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76544 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76545 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76546 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76547 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Lab Chimps on the move. |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76548 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76549 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76550 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76551 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76552 |
From: Melinda |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Disney to buy Fox? |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76553 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76554 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76555 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: POTA gets Jerry-rigged 50 |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76556 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: OT: "King Kong" on Broadway |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76557 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: POTA musical link |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76558 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76559 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
| Subject: 280 new stills from MT-B |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76560 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 280 new stills from MT-B |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76561 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 280 new stills from MT-B |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76462 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlEveryone's thoughts and comments on this subject have been interesting. Thank you for them.
Mount Rushmore's getting discovered by an uppity human, eh Haristas? Did Trump get portrayed on it after purchasing it once the USA liquidated as many properties as possible subsequent to voters' having denied Washington D.C.'s attempts to abolish the debt limit / cap this December (http://www.USDebtClock.org )? Did The Donald demand a colored version, with a tinge of orange that's reminiscent of Dr. Zaius? Stay tuned. :-)
Anyhow, regarding loss of speech among humans and the Beneath the Planet of the Apes timeline... What if underground, the speech-depleting virus can't survive long? What if it depends upon radiant energy from the Sun (as opposed to mere underground-delivered artificial light) for survival? What if nuclear activity keeps that virus from growing? This would make the underground living and bomb-worshipping seem more credible, at least at first. But with time, telepathic skills and abilities emerged (perhaps resulting from nuclear-inspired mutations). James' featured publications here half a decade ago did a fine job of touching upon these developments. It's too bad that Michael Clarke Duncan (Attar) is no longer with us. He could have played Negro / Ongaro or whatever Don Pedro's character will eventually be recalled as being named. By the way, may Don Pedro rest in
peace. I never met him but he sure has gotten nice personal reviews here as a fellow fan. Thanks from all of us, Don Pedro.
Meanwhile where would these underdwellers pitch their underground tents, though... still New York? I guess I don't see why not... There's little reason to think folks would "take" to a story that abandons NYC when trying to learn how Underdwellers emerged beneath the original Beneath's NYC. I'm just thinkin' this through... :-)
The Forbidden Zone's emergence could be an interesting story-line, too. Perhaps it could all be mixed with the Beneath prequel? And I'd like to see how the Statute of Liberty gets buried up to her boobies like that, without tipping over. How ironic that that statue used to welcome foreign guests, but eventually makes Astronaut Taylor curse, eh?
A refreshing weekend to all from Houston... and go Astros! :-)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76463 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA. The virus, which works just as magically to make everything happen, is more believable. Though nuclear war is just as valid a threat as it was then. They could do a scenario where the last humans in charge set off some nukes at New York. But they ain't gonna do "Beneath" again. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 9:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago. Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-) <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76464 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html I think they will go to more human scenarios. At this point POTA is not paying the bills so they could drop the budget under $100 million if they use the apes more sparingly. The humans will be the underdogs and heroes now and the apes the villains. But I think it's unfair to assume they will do things simple and cartoonish. They've done a great job so far and given POTA more respect than it's ever had before. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
When I talk of ape civil wars, I'm talking about an early ape civilization where they are many simian "city-states" such as existed in ancient times in Greece and Italy. If you want a template to what possible future POTA movies -- set in a prehistory before the coming of the Lawgiver and the society that would directly lead to the one seen in the '68 original -- could be like, just use ancient human civilizations as your analogy. If you don't use POTA as an analogy of ourselves, you're not really doing POTA right. The conflicts between the apes, between three different species actually, can mirror current conflicts humanity is still grappling with, but those early simian civilizations will have to be primitive, much more primitive than seen in the '68 movie, and, I think, quite savage. Imagine an ape army of chimpanzees battling one of the gorillas, with
the orangutans in both camps pulling the strings and trying to influence the outcomes. I can also envision the apes losing their knowledge of guns for a time -- how would they manufacture them and the ammo? -- so these early ape societies would revert to swords and spears for a few hundred years. And humanity? Either mute animal-like pets to the apes ("And Proteus brought the upright creature into the garden and chained him to a tree."), or savage animal-like primitives living in the forests or jungles of what was once the US. Their involvement in future POTA movies would only be to further complicate the plot, but you could simply repeat much of what was in the original film by simply having, seemingly out of nowhere, emerge a brighter-than-average human that can talk and lead the humans and thus create a threat to all the apes that they finally have to unite in to defeat, thus further setting up the situation found in "the world of the original
film." This could be the story arc of a new trilogy and you'd still only be two or three hundred years into the two thousand year timeline between now and 3978. Not that I think this is what Fox is going to do. Most likely something much simpler and more cartoonish.
I also have an idea for a great conclusion to a future POTA movie in which a "mutant" human emerges that's intelligent and can talk, and after a struggle with the apes to free his fellow humans from the shackles of simian oppression and slavery, leads his people into the wilderness where, in the last shot of the film, they discover Mount Rushmore. What does everyone here think of that idea?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 2:13 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting.
Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech. A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios.
After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is: a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise. Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend. As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos? But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-) <.html |
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76465 |
From: stuartdruc |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html You could justify nukes, if some desperate faction of humanity that has control of nuclear weapons thinks that nuking some area where the virus is mutating into making humans mute and with devolved intelligence will somehow arrest the spread. You can also have that same faction develop an anti-virus vaccination that produces the opposite effects of enhanced brain capacity while destroying epidermal tissue, and/or to survive radiation. In that sense they could literally say that the"Good Bomb made them all" LOL....
-----Original Message-----
From: "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]"
Sent: Oct 27, 2017 1:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA. The virus, which works just as magically to make everything happen, is more believable. Though nuclear war is just as valid a threat as it was then. They could do a scenario where the last humans in charge set off some nukes at New York. But they ain't gonna do "Beneath" again. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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I very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess.
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Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 9:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago. Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.htmlAren't you forgetting that NYC in BENEATH is all melted?
And I don't see the Statue of Liberty as "buried up to her boobs," but rather that just the top part of it is on that beach beside the cliff. A nuclear blast blew it in half, a blast far away enough not to disintegrate it, but create a wind blast strong enough shear the top half off and send it into New York Harbor and where it got submerged and was safe underwater from the more direct hit on Manhattan that melted the city. Over the centuries, the waters of the harbor receded and exposed the top of the statue.
Works for me!
And no, no Trump on Mount Rushmore. The intelligent talking human -- maybe played by Brad Pitt or someone in the Heston mold -- leads his freed humans as far as he can take them from the apes, to a "promised land" that at the very conclusion of the movie they know they've found when they emerge from some forest and see the somewhat crumbling faces of Mount Rushmore -- human faces that tell them they're "home."
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Everyone's thoughts and comments on this subject have been interesting. Thank you for them.
Mount Rushmore's getting discovered by an uppity human, eh Haristas? Did Trump get portrayed on it after purchasing it once the USA liquidated as many properties as possible subsequent to voters' having denied Washington D.C.'s attempts to abolish the debt limit / cap this December ( http://www.USDebtClock.org )? Did The Donald demand a colored version, with a tinge of orange that's reminiscent of Dr. Zaius? Stay tuned. :-)
Anyhow, regarding loss of speech among humans and the Beneath the Planet of the Apes timeline... What if underground, the speech-depleting virus can't survive long? What if it depends upon radiant energy from the Sun (as opposed to mere underground-delivered artificial light) for survival?&nbs p; What if nuclear activity keeps that virus from growing? This would make the underground living and bomb-worshipping seem more credible, at least at first. But with time, telepathic skills and abilities emerged (perhaps resulting from nuclear-inspired mutations). James' featured publications here half a decade ago did a fine job of touching upon these developments. It's too bad that Michael Clarke Duncan (Attar) is no longer with us. He could have played Negro / Ongaro or whatever Don Pedro's character will eventually be recalled as being named. By the way, may Don Pedro rest in
peace. I never met him but he sure has gotten nice personal reviews here as a fellow fan. Thanks from all of us, Don Pedro.
Meanwhile where would these underdwellers pitch their underground tents, though... still New York? I guess I don' t see why not... There's little reason to think folks would "take" to a story that abandons NYC when trying to learn how Underdwellers emerged beneath the original Beneath's NYC. I'm just thinkin' this through... :-)
The Forbidden Zone's emergence could be an interesting story-line, too. Perhaps it could all be mixed with the Beneath prequel? And I'd like to see how the Statute of Liberty gets buried up to her boobies like that, without tipping over. How ironic that that statue used to welcome foreign guests, but eventually makes Astronaut Taylor curse, eh?
A refreshing weekend to all from Houston... and go Astros! :-)
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I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 3:36 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA.
The virus, which works just as magically to make everything happen, is more believable.
Though nuclear war is just as valid a threat as it was then. They could do a scenario where the last humans in charge set off some nukes at New York. But they ain't gonna do "Beneath" again.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 9:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.htmlPerhaps I'm just too cynical about how it works in today's La La Land, but I think it's more a matter that Fox has been lucky so far that these movies have been done as well as they have been, but I'm really far from satisfied with them. They've done three movies and have only moved about three decades into the future. Still too much left unexplored as to how we get to the world of the '68 original. Keep your fingers crossed for the respect that things POTA be more than cartoonish adventures keeps up, but I'm not so hopeful. And so far, we don't even know there's going to be anymore.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I think they will go to more human scenarios. At this point POTA is not paying the bills so they could drop the budget under $100 million if they use the apes more sparingly. The humans will be the underdogs and heroes now and the apes the villains.
But I think it's unfair to assume they will do things simple and cartoonish. They've done a great job so far and given POTA more respect than it's ever had before.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
When I talk of ape civil wars, I'm talking about an early ape civilization where they are many simian "city-states" such as existed in ancient times in Greece and Italy. If you want a template to what possible future POTA movies -- set in a prehistory before the coming of the Lawgiver and the society that would directly lead to the one seen in the '68 original -- could be like, just use ancient human civilizations as your analogy. If you don't use POTA as an analogy of ourselves, you're not really doing POTA right. The conflicts between the apes, between three different species actually, can mirror current conflicts humanity is still grappling with, but those early simian civilizations will have to be primitive, much more primitive than seen in the '68 movie, and, I think, quite savage. Imagine an ape army of chimpanzees battling one of the gorillas, with the orangutans in both camps
pulling the strings and trying to influence the outcomes. I can also envision the apes losing their knowledge of guns for a time -- how would they manufacture them and the ammo? -- so these early ape societies would revert to swords and spears for a few hundred years. And humanity? Either mute animal-like pets to the apes ("And Proteus brought the upright creature into the garden and chained him to a tree."), or savage animal-like primitives living in the forests or jungles of what was once the US. Their involvement in future POTA movies would only be to further complicate the plot, but you could simply repeat much of what was in the original film by simply having, seemingly out of nowhere, emerge a brighter-than-average human that can talk and lead the humans and thus create a threat to all the apes that they finally have to unite in to defeat, thus further setting up the situation found in "the world of the original film." This could
be the story arc of a new trilogy and you'd still only be two or three hundred years into the two thousand year timeline between now and 3978.
Not that I think this is what Fox is going to do. Most likely something much simpler and more cartoonish.
I also have an idea for a great conclusion to a future POTA movie in which a "mutant" human emerges that's intelligent and can talk, and after a struggle with the apes to free his fellow humans from the shackles of simian oppression and slavery, leads his people into the wilderness where, in the last shot of the film, they discover Mount Rushmore.
What does everyone here think of that idea?
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 2:13 am
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Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting.
Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech.
A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios.
After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.htmlYou've still got to either nuke New York, or call it a day and say "Forget BENEATH, the world of the original movie that these rebooted prequels are supposed to lead to isn't the one that leads to the original's sequels."
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You could justify nukes, if some desperate faction of humanity that has control of nuclear weapons thinks that nuking some area where the virus is mutating into making humans mute and with devolved intelligence will somehow arrest the spread. You can also have that same faction develop an anti-virus vaccination that produces the opposite effects of enhanced brain capacity while destroying epidermal tissue, and/or to survive radiation. In that sense they could literally say that the"Good Bomb made them all" LOL....
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Sent: Oct 27, 2017 1:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA.
The virus, which works just as magically to make everything happen, is more believable.
Though nuclear war is just as valid a threat as it was then. They could do a scenario where the last humans in charge set off some nukes at New York. But they ain't gonna do "Beneath" again.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess.
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Oct 26, 2017 9:28 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise.
Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend.
As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure...
Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.html.html I don't think we're getting nukes. We got the virus instead. They've said basically they won't be slaves to the originals and by the "world" of the originals they mean the basics: apes in charge, humans as animals. With plenty of homages (I love that extra on the blu-ray). The original sequels are seen as schlocky by many and they probably won't go there. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 2:04 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it You've still got to either nuke New York, or call it a day and say "Forget BENEATH, the world of the original movie that these rebooted prequels are supposed to lead to isn't the one that leads to the original's sequels."
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You could justify nukes, if some desperate faction of humanity that has control of nuclear weapons thinks that nuking some area where the virus is mutating into making humans mute and with devolved intelligence will somehow arrest the spread. You can also have that same faction develop an anti-virus vaccination that produces the opposite effects of enhanced brain capacity while destroying epidermal tissue, and/or to survive radiation. In that sense they could literally say that the"Good Bomb made them all" LOL.... -----Original Message-----
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veetus@... [pota]"
Sent: Oct 27, 2017 1:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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I don't think they want to bring up nukes, scientifically it doesn't make sense any more to create a POTA. The virus, which works just as magically to make everything happen, is more believable.
Though nuclear war is just as valid a threat as it was then. They could do a scenario where the last humans in charge set off some nukes at New York. But they ain't gonna do "Beneath" again. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:12 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I very much doubt that the suits at Fox or Cherin, or any of the artists they hire, want to incorporate anything from the TV series or online fan fiction into further APES films. I wonder if they really want to adhere to BENEATH much more than they already have with the Alpha/Omega thing, because they've kind of skipped the whole nuclear holocaust event, or have they? We'll see, I guess. -----Original Message-----
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Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is: a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago. Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise. Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend. As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans. &nb sp;
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-)
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.html.html I don't think it was just luck that made these movies good. Chernin and his people picked well, finding two basically neophyte directors who brought their A game. If it had been just one director you could say they got lucky, but two? That's picking well and finding who really appreciate POTA. Look at all the crap scripts in the '90's. Chernin has a lot of pull with Fox since he's been there forever. If anything a certain quality has been established and they'd get busted by critics and audiences if they went schlocky now. Like them or not, those 3 movies are a miracle. After POTA2001 I figured they'd never get it. I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Perhaps I'm just too cynical about how it works in today's La La Land, but I think it's more a matter that Fox has been lucky so far that these movies have been done as well as they have been, but I'm really far from satisfied with them. They've done three movies and have only moved about three decades into the future. Still too much left unexplored as to how we get to the world of the '68 original. Keep your fingers crossed for the respect that things POTA be more than cartoonish adventures keeps up, but I'm not so hopeful. And so far, we don't even know there's going to be anymore.
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 3:36 pm
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I think they will go to more human scenarios. At this point POTA is not paying the bills so they could drop the budget under $100 million if they use the apes more sparingly. The humans will be the underdogs and heroes now and the apes the villains. But I think it's unfair to assume they will do things simple and cartoonish. They've done a great job so far and given POTA more respect than it's ever had before.
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 8:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
[pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
When I talk of ape civil wars, I'm talking about an early ape civilization where they are many simian "city-states" such as existed in ancient times in Greece and Italy. If you want a template to what possible future POTA movies -- set in a prehistory before the coming of the Lawgiver and the society that would directly lead to the one seen in the '68 original -- could be like, just use ancient human civilizations as your analogy. If you don't use POTA as an analogy of ourselves, you're not really doing POTA right. The conflicts between the apes, between three different species actually, can mirror current conflicts humanity is still grappling with, but those early simian civilizations will have to be primitive, much more primitive than seen in the '68 movie, and, I think, quite savage. Imagine an ape army of chimpanzees battling one of the gorillas, with
the orangutans in both camps pulling the strings and trying to influence the outcomes. I can also envision the apes losing their knowledge of guns for a time -- how would they manufacture them and the ammo? -- so these early ape societies would revert to swords and spears for a few hundred years. And humanity? Either mute animal-like pets to the apes ("And Proteus brought the upright creature into the garden and chained him to a tree."), or savage animal-like primitives living in the forests or jungles of what was once the US. Their involvement in future POTA movies would only be to further complicate the plot, but you could simply repeat much of what was in the original film by simply having, seemingly out of nowhere, emerge a brighter-than-average human that can talk and lead the humans and thus create a threat to all the apes that they finally have to unite in to defeat, thus further setting up the situation found in "the world of the original
film." This could be the story arc of a new trilogy and you'd still only be two or three hundred years into the two thousand year timeline between now and 3978. Not that I think this is what Fox is going to do. Most likely something much simpler and more cartoonish.
I also have an idea for a great conclusion to a future POTA movie in which a "mutant" human emerges that's intelligent and can talk, and after a struggle with the apes to free his fellow humans from the shackles of simian oppression and slavery, leads his people into the wilderness where, in the last shot of the film, they discover Mount Rushmore. What does everyone here think of that idea?
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Oct 27, 2017 2:13 am
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yeah, they kind of jumped the gun by introducing the mute humans so early. If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly. If they want to do more it might be limiting. Yet! They introduced in "Dawn" that some of the humans survived because they were immune to the virus so it's possible some humans are also immune to losing their speech.
A possibility is that down the road there are humans who can talk and others who can't. Maybe those that can't are subjugated by the speaking humans. Or the apes want to eradicate the speaking humans. There could still be a variety of scenarios. After Oliver Stone takes a victory lap for getting the JFK files released he can get started on it. Sent from
Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2017 6:26 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is: a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
Star Wars: Rogue One shows that one need not launch a trilogy to be a box office success that's tied into a franchise. Thanks to CGI breakthroughs, it would SEEM that one need not spend as much money on props as one previously had to spend. As for something akin to the television series (non-cartoon), hardly any (if any) of those humans were mute, right? And yet Nova (War for the POTA) is quite mute, as are other humans. Perhaps Jeff figures that the next trilogy could have mute, but still non-animalistic humans.
Kim Jong Un's missile launches are reportedly leading folks in Asia (etc.) to invest in having underground bunkers, by the way... Surviving underground could be challenging, and portrayed as thrilling. Imagine: the first glimmers of artificial light underground after the power generator's made to function... or the successful harvesting of mushrooms with which to combat famine and disease... Or the discovery of archaeological ruins, maybe including a pace maker, false teeth and....(drum roll please)... nuclear silos?
But would people pay to view it? I'm not sure... Cheers from Houston, land of the Astros! :-) <.html |
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Date: 10/27/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html .html"War" isn't setting up anything perfectly... I've been saying since these NuApes films have come out that they're their own take on the "Apes" franchise and that they're not directly connected to the original...
In the "War" commentary, Matt Reeves says; "And as I said, "Rise"changed the timeline because it was evolution that created the change in the apes in the original, over thousands of years. But that was changed with ALZ-113 in "Rise" and so, our thought was that what we're really talking about is a trajectory. We're going toward what the "Planet of the Apes" is going to become even though it's not literally the same timeline."
In a message dated 10/27/2017 1:13:47 AM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
If "War" is the last Apes movie it sets up the originals perfectly.
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Message: 76473 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.html.html .htmlI have to agree with Harisats on this one: They're not going to make a movie based on online fan-fiction, no matter how well it may be written... If they're smart, they'd steer clear of anything of that sort otherwise they could be sued for plagiarism.
In a message dated 10/26/2017 8:28:32 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
We had conflicts between apes already. Donkey in War, and Koba in Dawn. More could be had but what we haven't yet had at all is:
a prequel to Beneath, based on our webmaster James' fine work of half a decade or so ago.
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Message: 76474 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/27/2017 |
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.html .html.htmlI just viewed "War" and have to say I can see where some might have thought it was unsatisfying: The title is deceiving in that there really wasn't all that much "war" to begin with, especially of the proportion the title would leave people to expect.
The character of "Nova" was pointless: Other than showing the beginnings of mute people, what did she provide? She didn't show any signs of being a feral child, she was more like Maurice's orphan buddy... And, "Bad Ape" was just embarassing: Thankfully he wasn't used too much, but him in his little ski vest and hat was dumb... I don't mind the idea of showing that there are other pockets of smart apes outside of Caesar's community, so I will give him credit for that, but the Jar-Jar Binks personality is something I could have lived without.
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Message: 76475 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlI enjoyed reading your commentary just now. I wonder if War should have been called Showdown (or perhaps even Struggle) for the POTA, instead?
As for Nova, remember the line Caesar stated that "we are not savages"? Nova helped them demonstrate that, and also that kindness and appreciation can transcend species barriers. I liked how it wasn't done in a corny way. And I think I read that she did the whole movie for merely $65K. Admittedly, that's a great deal for a young las who is looking to make a name for herself on the silver screen.
As for Bad Ape, in trying to look on the bright side... he (like Nova) likely helped keep the kids quiet and engaged. We need them to be fans in the future. But admittedly, we became Apes fans without such characters in the originals. However, back then there was faaaaar less competition for our attention. Meanwhile I like how Bad Ape enabled the Apes to escape near the movie's end. Might it be a closer comparison to mention Yoda than Jar Jar Binks, though?
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Message: 76476 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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I don't think we're getting nukes. We got the virus instead. They've said basically they won't be slaves to the originals and by the "world" of the originals they mean the basics: apes in charge, humans as animals. With plenty of homages (I love that extra on the blu-ray). The original sequels are seen as schlocky by many and they probably won't go there.
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Message: 76477 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
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Message: 76478 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
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I have to agree with Harisats on this one: They're not going to make a movie based on online fan-fiction, no matter how well it may be written... If they're smart, they'd steer clear of anything of that sort otherwise they could be sued for plagiarism.
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Message: 76479 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
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"War" isn't setting up anything perfectly... I've been saying since these NuApes films have come out that they're their own take on the "Apes" franchise and that they're not directly connected to the original...
In the "War" commentary, Matt Reeves says; "And as I said, "Rise"changed the timeline because it was evolution that created the change in the apes in the original, over thousands of years. But that was changed with ALZ-113 in "Rise" and so, our thought was that what we're really talking about is a trajectory. We're going toward what the "Planet of the Apes" is going to become even though it's not literally the same timeline."
It wasn't "evolution that created the apes in the original franchise," nor was it in the Boulle novel. One of the weaknesses of both the novel and the original film as Science fiction is they don't explain the rapid evolution of the great apes at all. That's what was good about RISE is that finally there was a good suspension of disbelief, somewhat plausible but not really, SF explanation for how the scenario of the original film, set only two thousand years into the future could happen. I see the ONLY purpose in doing new APES movies is to explain how the '68 original could somewhat plausibly be explained. Otherwise, all these new movies really are is just half-baked fanfiction that gets a green light from Fox to actually make an actual movie. Maybe that why I've really been little more than frustrated by these new movies.
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Message: 76480 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlWoody Harrelson: "If we've last Rory, we've lost America". ;-) ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
I don't care about these movies anymore. I'm throwing out my blu-rays. To hell with the modern APES movies!
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Message: 76481 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html There's more to war than just battles. War is a state of mind and the whole movie is about how war dehumanizes the enemy (even Caesar, our surrogate, is not exempt from it; he worries his hate will make him like Koba). The battle scene we did get was very good. A movie of wall to wall battle scenes would've cost a fortune and been redundant. Nova and Bad Ape: didn't have a problem with them. Something for the audience to latch onto in a movie that is mostly hard hitting and bleak. The scene where Nova's gorilla friend is senselessly killed and she breaks down is a pure expression of the grief of war. It always gets me. Sent from
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Sent: Friday, October 27, 2017 5:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I just viewed "War" and have to say I can see where some might have thought it was unsatisfying: The title is deceiving in that there really wasn't all that much "war" to begin with, especially of the proportion the title would leave people to expect.
The character of "Nova" was pointless: Other than showing the beginnings of mute people, what did she provide? She didn't show any signs of being a feral child, she was more like Maurice's orphan buddy... And, "Bad Ape" was just embarassing: Thankfully he wasn't used too much, but him in his little ski vest and hat was dumb... I don't mind the idea of showing that there are other pockets of smart apes outside of Caesar's community, so I will give him credit for that, but the Jar-Jar Binks personality is something I could have lived without. <.html |
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Message: 76482 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html I'd like them to go into the future and show us the growing pains of the early ape society (200 yearsish). Apes in charge, humans more a persecuted minority than animals. I like the idea of the humans also being split between humans who can speak and those that can't. If speaking humans persecute mute humans and apes persecute all humans it would show no one is immune. Reminds of the black slave traders in Africa who sold out their countrymen into slavery. But it's wide open. They could do almost anything with it. 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now. There's so much that could done with it as opposed to, say, another "Fast & Furious" movie. Sent from
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:40 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
So seriously, and without mention of Oliver Stone, what do you want the next movie to be?
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Message: 76483 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html Well, Reeves is gone and the next director could decide to veer closer to the originals. It's still a work in progress. But I think these movies are valuable in their own right. They shouldn't have to cover the tracks of the originals. The idea they have to explain why there's no moon is silly. Where do the tides come from that lap on the Statue of Liberty? They are going for a more realistic version of the franchise (though they make mistakes too). Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:53 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
"War" isn't setting up anything perfectly... I've been saying since these NuApes films have come out that they're their own take on the "Apes" franchise and that they're not directly connected to the original...
In the "War" commentary, Matt Reeves says; "And as I said, "Rise"changed the timeline because it was evolution that created the change in the apes in the original, over thousands of years. But that was changed with ALZ-113 in "Rise" and so, our thought was that what we're really talking about is a trajectory.
We're going toward what the "Planet of the Apes" is going to become even though it's not literally the same timeline."
I think Reeves is wrong, and one of the reasons why I'm not entirely happy with his handling of the new APES franchise.
It wasn't "evolution that created the apes in the original franchise," nor was it in the Boulle novel. One of the weaknesses of both the novel and the original film as Science fiction is they don't explain the rapid evolution of the great apes at all. That's what was good about RISE is that finally there was a good suspension of disbelief, somewhat plausible but not really, SF explanation for how the scenario of the original film, set only two thousand years into the future could happen. I see the ONLY purpose in doing new APES movies is to explain how the '68 original could somewhat plausibly be explained. Otherwise, all these new movies really are is just half-baked fanfiction that gets a green light from Fox to actually make an actual movie. Maybe that why I've really been little more than frustrated by these new movies.
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Message: 76484 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html You complain Reeves' favorite is "Beneath" (when he was a kid) yet you want him to incorporate Beneath's mutants into the new ones? Reeves' Apes movies aren't perfect but he made the most mature Apes movies since the original. One could argue hewing to the originals is fan fiction as opposed to making it their own. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:57 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I have to agree with Harisats on this one: They're not going to make a movie based on online fan-fiction, no matter how well it may be written... If they're smart, they'd steer clear of anything of that sort otherwise they could be sued for plagiarism.
I don't think fanfiction comes under any copyright protection since the property in this case is already owned by Fox. The studios put up with fanfiction just as long as it's not used to make money for anyone. But, I agree that the only fanfiction the studios will use is that created by the fans they hire, such as Reeves and others. Reeves is basically a POTA fanboy, and not one I really like because I believe his favorite classic APES is BENEATH!!!!
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Message: 76485 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlAgreed. These films are reboots and were never meant to be direct prequels to the original movie. Rick Jaffa said so when asked the question directly. While the won't lead into the original, they may lead into the "world of" the original. ---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote : One could argue hewing to the originals is fan fiction as opposed to making it their own.
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Message: 76486 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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Jeff to Haristas: "You complain Reeves' favorite is "Beneath" (when he was a kid) yet you want him to incorporate Beneath's mutants into the new ones?" Col. George Taylor: I think it might be ME who you're thinking of there, Jeff. I want a prequel based on James' work about how the mutants became what they did in Beneath. There's room for ape interaction but budgets could be trimmed by the overall focus on mere humans.
If living underground keeps the virus in check, especially the one that makes one mute... well... we already saw some tunnels in War for the Planet of the Apes... Foreshadowing, perhaps?
Alpha & Omega-ing, over & out from Houston... and go Astros! :-) |
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Message: 76487 |
From: mlccougar |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html .htmlThat's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
In a message dated 10/28/2017 4:33:14 PM Central Daylight Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Agreed. These films are reboots and were never meant to be direct prequels to the original movie. Rick Jaffa said so when asked the question directly. While the won't lead into the original, they may lead into the "world of" the original.
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Message: 76488 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/28/2017 |
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No, I really have no interest in human mutants at all, but each they do a nuke war, or the come up with another thing that destroys the environment, and a virus don't get that done.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 28, 2017 1:58 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
You complain Reeves' favorite is "Beneath" (when he was a kid) yet you want him to incorporate Beneath's mutants into the new ones? Reeves' Apes movies aren't perfect but he made the most mature Apes movies since the original.
One could argue hewing to the originals is fan fiction as opposed to making it their own.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:57 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I have to agree with Harisats on this one: They're not going to make a movie based on online fan-fiction, no matter how well it may be written... If they're smart, they'd steer clear of anything of that sort otherwise they could be sued for plagiarism.
I don't think fanfiction comes under any copyright protection since the property in this case is already owned by Fox. The studios put up with fanfiction just as long as it's not used to make money for anyone. But, I agree that the only fanfiction the studios will use is that created by the fans they hire, such as Reeves and others. Reeves is basically a POTA fanboy, and not one I really like because I believe his favorite classic APES is BENEATH!!!!
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Message: 76489 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlThank you for your kind words. But The Mendez Dynasty is fanfic, not the work of a professional writer who could do a much better job. Plus, The Mendez Dynasty is meant to be a part of a much greater whole that includes Cornelius' Journal, The Ape, etc.
For anyone who hasn't read The Mendez Dynasty and wants to, a PDF is available here: http://www.potamediaarchive.com/MD/TheMendezDynasty.pdf
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I want a prequel based on James' work about how the mutants became what they did in Beneath. There's room for ape interaction but budgets could be trimmed by the overall focus on mere humans.
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Message: 76490 |
From: jamesa1102 |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlI think most realize that the new films are reboots.
BTW watched the extras on the War disc last night and was happy to see our old friend Rich Handley featured prominently. Good going Rich!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <mlccougar@...> wrote : That's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
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Message: 76491 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
That's a smug statement. The new APES films are just as frequently referred to as prequels because, in fact, they are origin films for how the planet of the apes came into being. So let's not ignore that obvious reality simply because they don't precisely match the continuity of the original film(s), especially when my wish is that the makers of these new films pay closer attention to elements of that continuity.
I've said before that if you approach these new films with the frame of mind that the sequels to the original film never happened, then these new films can be better accepted as having a connection to the '68 film. I've only entertained possible ways that things can be introduced in further new APES movies so that connections can be made with the '70s sequels to placate some here, even though I personally wouldn't really want to see it. I'd much rather see the entire nuclear holocaust creating the desert planet of the original dropped and instead a "storm of meteors" concept introduced. That could still work to explain a wrecked Statue of Liberty, but as far as a nuclear bomb destroyed NYC nearby? Hell, I'm all for forgetting that.
So, guys, I'm still very much in the camp of they're reboots, but also prequels. The makers of the new movies haven't lost me....yet.
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Message: 76492 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlI'm not interested in seeing anything in further APES movies that are just a rehash of the setup for the TV series, i.e., fugitive humans pursued by treacherous apes. That kind of thing got played out over forty years ago. I find it immensely boring.
I hope that there's thinking with the producers that it's no accident that in the original film you had characters named Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Julius, and Cornelius. And, that the founder of the ape society in both the original series and the new one is named Caesar. These are all Roman names and there's an allusion to ancient Roman society that's been a part of the POTA series all the way through the franchise. I think that should be developed further. And if you know the history of the Roman Empire, what was an almost constant condition in that society?
I think that if there is another APES movie it could have the title PLANET OF THE APES: CIVIL WARS.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 28, 2017 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'd like them to go into the future and show us the growing pains of the early ape society (200 yearsish). Apes in charge, humans more a persecuted minority than animals. I like the idea of the humans also being split between humans who can speak and those that can't. If speaking humans persecute mute humans and apes persecute all humans it would show no one is immune. Reminds of the black slave traders in Africa who sold out their countrymen into slavery.
But it's wide open. They could do almost anything with it. 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now. There's so much that could done with it as opposed to, say, another "Fast & Furious" movie.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:40 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
So seriously, and without mention of Oliver Stone, what do you want the next movie to be?
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Message: 76493 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html Sorry, that's a lot to ask of general audiences, that they ignore the original sequels yet these are direct prequels to the original. Too convoluted. If you want to connect them we can assume there was lots of fighting at the end, including nukes. If there are no more Ape films I think these three can connect to the originals fine… if you don't accept the circular chronology. Obviously Taylor came from a different timeline or it doesn't work. Or if you just want to accept it in a general sense: humans fell, apes rose, humans went mute. And if they keep going, who knows where it will go?
I was in the prequel boat too, that's what they called it. But obviously they meant prequelish, or at least Matt Reeves did. Oliver St, er, whoever does the next ones might have their own ideas. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 8:16 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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[pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
That's a smug statement. The new APES films are just as frequently referred to as prequels because, in fact, they are origin films for how the planet of the apes came into being. So let's not ignore that obvious reality simply because they don't precisely match the continuity of the original film(s), especially when my wish is that the makers of these new films pay closer attention to elements of that continuity.
I've said before that if you approach these new films with the frame of mind that the sequels to the original film never happened, then these new films can be better accepted as having a connection to the '68 film. I've only entertained possible ways that things can be introduced in further new APES movies so that connections can be made with the '70s sequels to placate some here, even though I personally wouldn't really want to see it. I'd much rather see the entire nuclear holocaust creating the desert planet of the original dropped and instead a "storm of meteors" concept introduced. That could still work to explain a wrecked Statue of Liberty, but as far as a nuclear bomb destroyed NYC nearby? Hell, I'm all for forgetting that. So, guys, I'm still very much in the camp of they're reboots, but also prequels. The makers of the new movies haven't lost me....yet. <.html |
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Message: 76494 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html I'm not saying it should be like the TV show, just the set up. Humans aren't animals yet (that could come later), it allows for oppressed people stories. If humans can't talk it's one sided. Even the originals couldn't keep that up long, They needed humans who could talk, whether Heston or mutants. The Roman Empire thing could happen. It's wide open. Chernin did the Moses movie "Exodus" (maybe a good double feature with "War"?) and is planning a King David movie. Obviously interested in ancient history. Who knows about the future? Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'm not interested in seeing anything in further APES movies that are just a rehash of the setup for the TV series, i.e., fugitive humans pursued by treacherous apes. That kind of thing got played out over forty years ago. I find it immensely boring.
I hope that there's thinking with the producers that it's no accident that in the original film you had characters named Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Julius, and Cornelius. And, that the founder of the ape society in both the original series and the new one is named Caesar. These are all Roman names and there's an allusion to ancient Roman society that's been a part of the POTA series all the way through the franchise. I think that should be developed further. And if you know the history of the Roman Empire, what was an almost constant condition in that society?
I think that if there is another APES movie it could have the title PLANET OF THE APES: CIVIL WARS.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 28, 2017 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'd like them to go into the future and show us the growing pains of the early ape society (200 yearsish). Apes in charge, humans more a persecuted minority than animals. I like the idea of the humans also being split between humans who can speak and those that can't. If speaking humans persecute mute humans and apes persecute all humans it would show no one is immune. Reminds of the black slave traders in Africa who sold out their countrymen into slavery.
But it's wide open. They could do almost anything with it. 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now. There's so much that could done with it as opposed to, say, another "Fast & Furious" movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:40 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
So seriously, and without mention of Oliver Stone, what do you want the next movie to be? <.html |
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Message: 76495 |
From: Tim |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html Yes! Well done , Rich! An interesting part of the feature on the whole history of Apes was talking to the gentleman who did percussion on all five classic films as well as War , and apparently even played the original 'kitchen bowls' ! On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
BTW watched the extras on the War disc last night and was happy to see our old friend Rich Handley featured prominently. Good going Rich!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < mlccougar@...> wrote : That's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
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Message: 76496 |
From: haristas |
Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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Sorry, that's a lot to ask of general audiences, that they ignore the original sequels yet these are direct prequels to the original. The general audience doesn't care either way, I think.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 12:42 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Sorry, that's a lot to ask of general audiences, that they ignore the original sequels yet these are direct prequels to the original. Too convoluted. If you want to connect them we can assume there was lots of fighting at the end, including nukes.
If there are no more Ape films I think these three can connect to the originals fine… if you don't accept the circular chronology. Obviously Taylor came from a different timeline or it doesn't work. Or if you just want to accept it in a general sense: humans fell, apes rose, humans went mute.
And if they keep going, who knows where it will go?
I was in the prequel boat too, that's what they called it. But obviously they meant prequelish, or at least Matt Reeves did. Oliver St, er, whoever does the next ones might have their own ideas.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 8:16 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
That's a smug statement. The new APES films are just as frequently referred to as prequels because, in fact, they are origin films for how the planet of the apes came into being. So let's not ignore that obvious reality simply because they don't precisely match the continuity of the original film(s), especially when my wish is that the makers of these new films pay closer attention to elements of that continuity.
I've said before that if you approach these new films with the frame of mind that the sequels to the original film never happened, then these new films can be better accepted as having a connection to the '68 film. I've only entertained possible ways that things can be introduced in further new APES movies so that connections can be made with the '70s sequels to placate some here, even though I personally wouldn't really want to see it. I'd much rather see the entire nuclear holocaust creating the desert planet of the original dropped and instead a "storm of meteors" concept introduced. That could still work to explain a wrecked Statue of Liberty, but as far as a nuclear bomb destroyed NYC nearby? Hell, I'm all for forgetting that.
So, guys, I'm still very much in the camp of they're reboots, but also prequels. The makers of the new movies haven't lost me....yet.
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I'm not saying it should be like the TV show, just the set up I know, and I'm sayin' I don't like the setup!!!! Are you reading me?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 12:48 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'm not saying it should be like the TV show, just the set up. Humans aren't animals yet (that could come later), it allows for oppressed people stories. If humans can't talk it's one sided. Even the originals couldn't keep that up long, They needed humans who could talk, whether Heston or mutants.
The Roman Empire thing could happen. It's wide open. Chernin did the Moses movie "Exodus" (maybe a good double feature with "War"?) and is planning a King David movie. Obviously interested in ancient history. Who knows about the future?
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'm not interested in seeing anything in further APES movies that are just a rehash of the setup for the TV series, i.e., fugitive humans pursued by treacherous apes. That kind of thing got played out over forty years ago. I find it immensely boring.
I hope that there's thinking with the producers that it's no accident that in the original film you had characters named Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Julius, and Cornelius. And, that the founder of the ape society in both the original series and the new one is named Caesar. These are all Roman names and there's an allusion to ancient Roman society that's been a part of the POTA series all the way through the franchise. I think that should be developed further. And if you know the history of the Roman Empire, what was an almost constant condition in that society?
I think that if there is another APES movie it could have the title PLANET OF THE APES: CIVIL WARS.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 28, 2017 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'd like them to go into the future and show us the growing pains of the early ape society (200 yearsish). Apes in charge, humans more a persecuted minority than animals. I like the idea of the humans also being split between humans who can speak and those that can't. If speaking humans persecute mute humans and apes persecute all humans it would show no one is immune. Reminds of the black slave traders in Africa who sold out their countrymen into slavery.
But it's wide open. They could do almost anything with it. 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now. There's so much that could done with it as opposed to, say, another "Fast & Furious" movie.
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Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:40 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
So seriously, and without mention of Oliver Stone, what do you want the next movie to be?
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Did you notice the British dude that co-authored the Legend book with Jeff Bond?
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From: Tim apefan23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yes! Well done , Rich! An interesting part of the feature on the whole history of Apes was talking to the gentleman who did percussion on all five classic films as well as War , and apparently even played the original 'kitchen bowls' !
On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
BTW watched the extras on the War disc last night and was happy to see our old friend Rich Handley featured prominently. Good going Rich!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < mlccougar@...> wrote :
That's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
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Date: 10/29/2017 |
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.html.html Pendreigh is on some of the Special Features as well?
Sorry, but I haven't gotten around to buying a set yet.
Dario On Oct 29, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Did you notice the British dude that co-authored the Legend book with Jeff Bond?
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From: Tim apefan23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yes! Well done , Rich! An interesting part of the feature on the whole history of Apes was talking to the gentleman who did percussion on all five classic films as well as War , and apparently even played the original 'kitchen bowls' !
On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
BTW watched the extras on the War disc last night and was happy to see our old friend Rich Handley featured prominently. Good going Rich!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < mlccougar@...> wrote :
That's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
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Date: 10/29/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html 10 - 4, good buddy! Reading you loud and clear. They might not do it that way. You asked what I wanted. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 2:52 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I'm not saying it should be like the TV show, just the set up
I know, and I'm sayin' I don't like the setup!!!! Are you reading me? -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 12:48 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'm not saying it should be like the TV show, just the set up. Humans aren't animals yet (that could come later), it allows for oppressed people stories. If humans can't talk it's one sided. Even the originals couldn't keep that up long, They needed humans who could talk, whether Heston or mutants.
The Roman Empire thing could happen. It's wide open. Chernin did the Moses movie "Exodus" (maybe a good double feature with "War"?) and is planning a King David movie. Obviously interested in ancient history. Who knows about the future? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I'm not interested in seeing anything in further APES movies that are just a rehash of the setup for the TV series, i.e., fugitive humans pursued by treacherous apes. That kind of thing got played out over forty years ago. I find it immensely boring.
I hope that there's thinking with the producers that it's no accident that in the original film you had characters named Lucius, Maximus, Honorius, Julius, and Cornelius. And, that the founder of the ape society in both the original series and the new one is named Caesar. These are all Roman names and there's an allusion to ancient Roman society that's been a part of the POTA series all the way through the franchise. I think that should be developed further. And if you know the history of the Roman Empire, what was an almost constant condition in that society?
I think that if there is another APES movie it could have the title PLANET OF THE APES: CIVIL WARS. -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Oct 28, 2017 1:42 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
I'd like them to go into the future and show us the growing pains of the early ape society (200 yearsish). Apes in charge, humans more a persecuted minority than animals. I like the idea of the humans also being split between humans who can speak and those that can't. If speaking humans persecute mute humans and apes persecute all humans it would show no one is immune. Reminds of the black slave traders in Africa who sold out their countrymen into slavery. But it's wide open. They could do almost anything with it. 200 years from now, 1,000 years from now. There's so much that could done with it as opposed to, say, another "Fast & Furious" movie. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From:
Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 8:40 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it I think they spent just the right amount of time establishing the origins and now they are ready to take off into real POTA territory.
So seriously, and without mention of Oliver Stone, what do you want the next movie to be? <.html |
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
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.htmlNo, I'm referring to Joe Fordham, co-author with Jeff Bond of "PLANET OF THE APES: The Evolution of the Legend."
I guess he, Jeff Bond and Rich Handley are now the go-to guys to discuss POTA, at least in Fox DVD/Blu-ray featurettes.
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From: Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 6:21 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Pendreigh is on some of the Special Features as well?
Sorry, but I haven't gotten around to buying a set yet.
Dario
On Oct 29, 2017, at 5:54 PM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Did you notice the British dude that co-authored the Legend book with Jeff Bond?
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From: Tim apefan23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, Oct 29, 2017 4:31 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Yes! Well done , Rich! An interesting part of the feature on the whole history of Apes was talking to the gentleman who did percussion on all five classic films as well as War , and apparently even played the original 'kitchen bowls' !
On Oct 29, 2017, at 9:47 AM, JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I think most realize that the new films are reboots.
BTW watched the extras on the War disc last night and was happy to see our old friend Rich Handley featured prominently. Good going Rich!
---In pota@yahoogroups.com, < mlccougar@...> wrote :
That's what I've been saying about these new films since day one...
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From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlAh, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.
Always been a fan of the Pendreigh book and was curious. |
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From: haristas |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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10 - 4, good buddy! Reading you loud and clear.
They might not do it that way. You asked what I wanted.
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html I'm really digging the idea of both talking and non-talking humans and whether one side uses it to dominate the other (as humans always do; gotta be superior to someone). Maybe they are God's chosen because they still can speak and the mute humans are their slaves. The apes want the talking humans buh-bye. All I'm saying about the TV series is the humans talked. I'm not talking about fugitives on the run. They can do the original concept of humans as animals later. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, October 30, 2017 8:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
10 - 4, good buddy! Reading you loud and clear. They might not do it that way. You asked what I wanted.
And you said what you wanted in further APES movies is basically the setup of the T.V. series, right?
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From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 10/30/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.htmlHaving talking humans (aside from the astronauts themselves) was pretty much a necessity for the TV show. They could ahve only gone so far with scripts if Virdon & Burke were the only intelligent humans if the series was going to have any long term vision. It gave much more flexibility in terms of generating interesting plots, conflict, etc. This is not a necessity for a handful of movies, but it still does give a broader range angles. I don't care where they go as long as it's interesting. |
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Message: 76506 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.html.html 50 years ago today, Halloween 1967, Charlton Heston saw POTA for the first time, with "no score, no looped dialogue, and an unbalanced print. I liked it enormously. I think it might find a bigger audience than anything I've done since "Ben-Hur" (well, since "El Cid", anyway). I also think we may get notices reflecting the comment in the film. Lydia (Heston) concurs, displaying her taste and acumen". Jerry Goldsmith would start work on the score Nov. 8. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.htmlHoly bat caves, Batman! Jerry Goldsmith didn't start work on that marvelous POTA '68 score until Nov. 8th, even as it came out in theaters just a few months later? Meanwhile, speaking of looped dialogue, my guess is that they had to insert the sound of the talking doll.
In other news, it would seem that ticket sales have reached their apex in Japan, given how the movie's released on pay-per-download and DVD now:
Admittedly, a different source has War for the POTA at $490 million globally:
Speaking of which, doesn't it seem that The-Numbers.com no longer keeps track of DVD & Blu-Ray sales? This hasn't been updated since last July 2nd:
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Message: 76508 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 10/31/2017 |
| Subject: Reviews at RedBox.com are mainly favorable for War |
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Isn't it great how RedBox's new "On Demand" (downloadable) service has both POTA 1968 and Beneath the POTA, along with (last time I checked) the rest of the trilogy in its science fiction section? Hopefully RedBox will see fit to keep them there for years and decades to come...
Meanwhile, go Astros! (Taylor, Landon, Dodge, Brent and his own skipper were astros) :-)
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Message: 76509 |
From: jessica rotich |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlHere is a pic of DPC and me from a few years ago. He remembered me because I was the first person in ape costume he had seen in years. And I always came to visit him if he happened to be in whatever convention I was attending. Luckily my two sons had also met with him. And yes I get my ape fix on Facebook.
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From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlThanks for sharing that with us.
May Don Pedro r.i.p. |
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Message: 76511 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.htmlI wasn't able to get on the computer yesterday, but I was going to ask this Halloween question to everybody:
When you look at a candy corn, has it ever crossed your mind, "Oh, a little POTA spaceship"?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 12:51 pm
Subject: [pota] Heston sees POTA 50
50 years ago today, Halloween 1967, Charlton Heston saw POTA for the first time, with "no score, no looped dialogue, and an unbalanced print. I liked it enormously. I think it might find a bigger audience than anything I've done since "Ben-Hur" (well, since "El Cid", anyway). I also think we may get notices reflecting the comment in the film. Lydia (Heston) concurs, displaying her taste and acumen".
Jerry Goldsmith would start work on the score Nov. 8.
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From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.htmlAs related in John O'Callaghan's book "Simians & Serialism: A History and Analysis of Jerry Goldsmith's Score to Planet of the Apes."
Wednesday, November 8, 1967 was the day 38-year-old Jerry Goldsmith first looked at the workprint of PLANET, with Schaffner, editor Hugh S. Fowler, and music dept editor Lloyd Young. After the screening, Goldsmith and Schaffner went to the Fox commissary for lunch and Goldsmith told Schaffner he didn't want to use any electronics and wanted to write an organic, impressionistic score. "Sounds good to me!" was Schaffner's response -- at least according to O'Callaghan. I'm not sure who was the fly on the wall recording this. ( Actually, there wasn't one.)
Goldsmith recorded the PLANET score in only three days! On Wednesday, December 20 and Thursday, December 21, 1967, with an additional recording session on Wednesday, January 3, 1967. The reason for the later recording session was because they had to wait for the main title sequence to be completed by the SFX department, Goldsmith's main title cue apparently being the last cue he composed since it incorporates many if not most of the elements of the rest of the score.
So, there you have it; from November 8 to December 20, Goldsmith composed the score to PLANET, one of the most famous scores in cinema history, in only 42 or 43 days. I wonder if he stopped to enjoy Thanksgiving?
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 1:17 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50
Holy bat caves, Batman! Jerry Goldsmith didn't start work on that marvelous POTA '68 score until Nov. 8th, even as it came out in theaters just a few months later? Meanwhile, speaking of looped dialogue, my guess is that they had to insert the sound of the talking doll.
In other news, it would seem that ticket sales have reached their apex in Japan, given how the movie's released on pay-per-download and DVD now:
Admittedly, a different source has War for th e POTA at $490 million globally:
Speaking of which, doesn't it seem that The-Numbers.com no longer keeps track of DVD & Blu-Ray sales? This hasn't been updated since last July 2nd:
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.html.html Did Trump proclaim today Nov. 8? Quit jumping the gun. I'm the 50 guy. >: ( Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:36 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50 As related in John O'Callaghan's book "Simians & Serialism: A History and Analysis of Jerry Goldsmith's Score to Planet of the Apes."
Wednesday, November 8, 1967 was the day 38-year-old Jerry Goldsmith first looked at the workprint of PLANET, with Schaffner, editor Hugh S. Fowler, and music dept editor Lloyd Young. After the screening, Goldsmith and Schaffner went to the Fox commissary for lunch and Goldsmith told Schaffner he didn't want to use any electronics and wanted to write an organic, impressionistic score. "Sounds good to me!" was Schaffner's response -- at least according to O'Callaghan. I'm not sure who was the fly on the wall recording this. ( Actually, there wasn't one.)
Goldsmith recorded the PLANET score in only three days! On Wednesday, December 20 and Thursday, December 21, 1967, with an additional recording session on Wednesday, January 3, 1967. The reason for the later recording session was because they had to wait for the main title sequence to be completed by the SFX department, Goldsmith's main title cue apparently being the last cue he composed since it incorporates many if not most of the elements of the rest of the score.
So, there you have it; from November 8 to December 20, Goldsmith composed the score to PLANET, one of the most famous scores in cinema history, in only 42 or 43 days. I wonder if he stopped to enjoy Thanksgiving?
-----Original Message-----
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 1:17 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50
Holy bat caves, Batman! Jerry Goldsmith didn't start work on that marvelous POTA '68 score until Nov. 8th, even as it came out in theaters just a few months later? Meanwhile, speaking of looped dialogue, my guess is that they had to insert the sound of the talking doll.
In other news, it would seem that ticket sales have reached their apex in Japan, given how the movie's released on pay-per-download and DVD now: Admittedly, a different source has War for th e POTA at $490 million globally: Speaking of which, doesn't it seem that The-Numbers.com no longer keeps track of DVD & Blu-Ray sales? This hasn't been updated since last July 2nd: <.html |
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.html.html Never. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:04 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50
I wasn't able to get on the computer yesterday, but I was going to ask this Halloween question to everybody: When you look at a candy corn, has it ever crossed your mind, "Oh, a little POTA spaceship"?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 12:51 pm
Subject: [pota] Heston sees POTA 50
50 years ago today, Halloween 1967, Charlton Heston saw POTA for the first time, with "no score, no looped dialogue, and an unbalanced print. I liked it enormously. I think it might find a bigger audience than anything I've done since "Ben-Hur" (well, since "El Cid", anyway). I also think we may get notices reflecting the comment in the film. Lydia (Heston) concurs, displaying her taste and acumen". Jerry Goldsmith would start work on the score Nov. 8.
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Message: 76515 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.htmlAlthough I had never thought of candy corn as the Icarus before, now that you mention it... :-)
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Message: 76516 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
.htmlWow! Amazing. I don't see how these folks do it. They come up with these catchy new tunes and make 'em so worth hearing.
I read in an interview years ago (perhaps as an accompaniment to a soundtrack CD that I'd purchased for the original POTA) that Mr. Heston said he slept better the night he discovered that Jerry Goldsmith had been selected to compose the music for POTA.
I feel fortunate and appreciative that folks continue to appreciate POTA for what it is, even HALF A CENTURY LATER (and counting). Our collectivism activism helped make a difference. Hopefully younger generations will carry the torch. Bad Ape and Nova hopefully got through to enough younger folks who can someday help make a difference regarding POTA sustainability.
Wishing everyone well from Houston (especially the Astros during game 7 tonight, in Los Angeles) |
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Message: 76517 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Heston sees POTA 50 |
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Just proves I have an imagination.
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 1:13 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50
Never.
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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, November 1, 2017 7:04 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Heston sees POTA 50
I wasn't able to get on the computer yesterday, but I was going to ask this Halloween question to everybody:
When you look at a candy corn, has it ever crossed your mind, "Oh, a little POTA spaceship"?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Oct 31, 2017 12:51 pm
Subject: [pota] Heston sees POTA 50
50 years ago today, Halloween 1967, Charlton Heston saw POTA for the first time, with "no score, no looped dialogue, and an unbalanced print. I liked it enormously. I think it might find a bigger audience than anything I've done since "Ben-Hur" (well, since "El Cid", anyway). I also think we may get notices reflecting the comment in the film. Lydia (Heston) concurs, displaying her taste and acumen".
Jerry Goldsmith would start work on the score Nov. 8.
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Message: 76518 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlI was in a Barnes and Noble today and picked up this magazine (not cheap either, almost $9.00!). There's an article on the APES franchise and another on a collector of POTA toys. I've scanned it so you see both the front and back cover. As far as I know, this is the first such magazine to acknowledge PLANET and the franchise's 50th anniversary. I'll bet there will be more to come.
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Message: 76519 |
From: Dario |
Date: 11/1/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.html.html I had preordered this through my comic shop and got it weeks ago.
I've only read the first main PotA article so far. Nothing new but a nice read none the less and only one minor error although I don't even remember what that was.
I have read a few of the other non-PotA articles and found quite a few interesting. Reading about some of their past articles, I would even have liked to have gotten two past issues. On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:27 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I was in a Barnes and Noble today and picked up this magazine (not cheap either, almost $9.00!). There's an article on the APES franchise and another on a collector of POTA toys. I've scanned it so you see both the front and back cover. As far as I know, this is the first such magazine to acknowledge PLANET and the franchise's 50th anniversary. I'll bet there will be more to come.
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Message: 76520 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlWell, how come you didn't tell us about it?!!!! Apart from this group, I'm pretty much of the grid when it comes to online news about this stuff, and I never visit comic book stores because what's mostly in them doesn't interest me one bit.
There's an article about real apes that relates it to the POTA movies, but the article about the original film series doesn't really have anything new to say and gets many facts wrong. I just bought it as a curiosity. The article about the guy who collects the old '70s toys says that there's a Facebook page devoted to collectors of POTA toys and collectibles, but I hate Facebook and I'm not going there. I may not like what I find.
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From: Dario dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] 50th Anniversary begins
I had preordered this through my comic shop and got it weeks ago.
I've only read the first main PotA article so far. Nothing new but a nice read none the less and only one minor error although I don't even remember what that was.
I have read a few of the other non-PotA articles and found quite a few interesting. Reading about some of their past articles, I would even have liked to have gotten two past issues.
On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:27 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I was in a Barnes and Noble today and picked up this magazine (not cheap either, almost $9.00!). There's an article on the APES franchise and another on a collector of POTA toys. I've scanned it so you see both the front and back cover. As far as I know, this is the first such magazine to acknowledge PLANET and the franchise's 50th anniversary. I'll bet there will be more to come.
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Message: 76521 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlI'm not sure that the image transmitted successfully to us. Merely the name did:
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Right friends?
Wishing everyone well from the land of the Astros (a team which recently won the MLB title for the first time in their entire 56 year history...)
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76522 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlHaristas kindly sent it to me privately. I attach it to this e-mail in hopes that it successfully reaches everyone else. Thanks Haristas. :-)
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Message: 76523 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.html.html There's a POTA monopoly game: usapoly.com/games/monopoly-planet-apes There's a resin Nu Apes game they are trying to develop (looks like they're going through Kickstarter): twitter.com/WYSIWYGames And of course the Andy Serkis developed NuApes video game "Last Frontier": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes:_Last_Frontier Sent from
Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:25 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: 50th Anniversary begins
Well, how come you didn't tell us about it?!!!! Apart from this group, I'm pretty much of the grid when it comes to online news about this stuff, and I never visit comic book stores because what's mostly in them doesn't interest me one bit.
There's an article about real apes that relates it to the POTA movies, but the article about the original film series doesn't really have anything new to say and gets many facts wrong. I just bought it as a curiosity. The article about the guy who collects the old '70s toys says that there's a Facebook page devoted to collectors of POTA toys and collectibles, but I hate Facebook and I'm not going there. I may not like what I find.
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From: Dario dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] 50th Anniversary begins
I had preordered this through my comic shop and got it weeks ago.
I've only read the first main PotA article so far. Nothing new but a nice read none the less and only one minor error although I don't even remember what that was. I have read a few of the other non-PotA articles and found quite a few interesting. Reading about some of their past articles, I would even have liked to have gotten two past issues.
On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:27 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I was in a Barnes and Noble today and picked up this magazine (not cheap either, almost $9.00!). There's an article on the APES franchise and another on a collector of POTA toys. I've scanned it so you see both the front and back cover. As far as I know, this is the first such magazine to acknowledge PLANET and the franchise's 50th anniversary. I'll bet there will be more to come. <ScaryMonstersIssue106.jpg>
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Message: 76524 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins [1 Attachment] |
.html.html That monopoly link is: usaopoly.com/games/monopoly-planet-apes Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 12:08 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject:
RE: [pota] Re: 50th Anniversary begins [1 Attachment] There's a POTA monopoly game: usapoly.com/games/monopoly-planet-apes There's a resin Nu Apes game they are trying to develop (looks like they're going through Kickstarter): twitter.com/WYSIWYGames
And of course the Andy Serkis developed NuApes video game "Last Frontier": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_of_the_Apes:_Last_Frontier Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 9:25 AM
To:
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Subject: [pota] Re: 50th Anniversary begins Well, how come you didn't tell us about it?!!!! Apart from this group, I'm pretty much of the grid when it comes to online news about this stuff, and I never visit comic book stores because what's mostly in them doesn't interest me one bit.
There's an article about real apes that relates it to the POTA movies, but the article about the original film series doesn't really have anything new to say and gets many facts wrong. I just bought it as a curiosity. The article about the guy who collects the old '70s toys says that there's a Facebook page devoted to collectors of POTA toys and collectibles, but I hate Facebook and I'm not going there. I may not like what I find.
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From: Dario dario.sciola@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 10:14 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] 50th Anniversary begins
I had preordered this through my comic shop and got it weeks ago.
I've only read the first main PotA article so far. Nothing new but a nice read none the less and only one minor error although I don't even remember what that was. I have read a few of the other non-PotA articles and found quite a few interesting. Reading about some of their past articles, I would even have liked to have gotten two past issues.
On Nov 1, 2017, at 8:27 PM, "Haristas@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
I was in a Barnes and Noble today and picked up this magazine (not cheap either, almost $9.00!). There's an article on the APES franchise and another on a collector of POTA toys. I've scanned it so you see both the front and back cover. As far as I know, this is the first such magazine to acknowledge PLANET and the franchise's 50th anniversary. I'll bet there will be more to come. <ScaryMonstersIssue106.jpg>
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Message: 76525 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlI try to bridge all the info on Facebook here if it hasn't already been mentioned, but honestly that would be a full time job that would have me searching archives to see what and what hasn't already been mentioned. (Keep in mind that I still even get the odd post from the other Yahoo PotA groups as well.) In this particular case I even thought I had mentioned this mag when I pre-ordered it.
I know Facebook can be a mindless wasteland at times, but I manage to scroll and ignore the crap and stop at the nuggets that pop up. I do use it to keep in touch with a number of friends and other subject specific groups besides PotA. But there are PotA nuggets to be sure and despite the crap I would encourage participation. News usually arrives there earlier than here. But "Chacun son gout" and all that.
As for the mag itself I try to get all (reasonably priced) PotA stuff that comes out. Thanks to Neil Foster, I even managed to get the recent Aussie MAD magazine special that reprinted the PotA parodies in color! Um... did I mention that one... ? |
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Message: 76526 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlI had the image pop up for me in the original post so it may be your browser or email reader stripping the link content.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76527 |
From: Dario Sciola |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
.htmlEven more interesting when I was looking this up was the fact that a similar issue was released in Italy. The one time I wish I was closer to the remaining distant family I have there. But since it was not even something they could just find on the racks by the time I learned about it I didn't even try. |
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Message: 76528 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/2/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 50th Anniversary begins |
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usaopoly.com/games/monopoly-planet-apes
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 3:13 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: 50th Anniversary begins [1 Attachment]
That monopoly link is:
usaopoly.com/games/monopoly-planet-apes
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76529 |
From: George Taylor |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: Another project of POTA '68 "co-author" Rod Serling gets rebooted... |
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Another project of Planet of the Apes '68 "co-author" Rod Serling gets rebooted...
We must have pretty good taste if folks and franchises that we've supported for over half a century are still making a splash. Granted, I have read that Mr. Serling's contribution to POTA '68 wasn't so clearly that of a co-author. It was more the work of Mr. Boulle and later Michael Wilson. I seem to recall that Mr. Serling wrote a first draft and Michael Wilson wrote a nearly distinct second version...with which Fox went. Either way, for whatever Mr. Serling contributed to POTA, thanks! :-)
BTW: Http://www.RodSerling.com
Cheers from the land of the Astros...
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Message: 76530 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: "POTA: Last Frontier" video game hits PlayStation Nov. 21 |
.html.html Set between "Dawn" and "War", this game was the first one created by Andy Serkis' company Imaginarium. C'mon! They want to make a monkey out of you. twitter.com/ApesMovies/status/92623590988663296 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76531 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: correct "Last Frontier" promo |
.html.html Messed up the link. I'm only human! twitter.com/ApesMovies/status/926235909988663296 Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76532 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/3/2017 |
| Subject: OT: "Jane" wins Best Documentary |
.html.html As Fox prepares to win the battle for "War" this awards season, another ape project has already notched a win. "Jane", the doc about legendary primatologist Jane Goodall, has won Best Documentary at the Critics' Choice Documentary Awards (a film called "Icarus" won Best Sports Documentary). Could it be possible both "War" and "Jane" get represented Best Picture and Best Documentary Oscar nominations (or, god forbid, win?). As Caesar would say, "No!" (but he's modest). Such a dream is longer than a long shot. We've been here before, the year both "Rise" and "Project Nim" were getting acclaim. Forget I said anything. (But maybe…)
While we're at it, here's Jane's plug for "War", which shoulda been on the blu-ray. variety.com/2017/film/news/jane-goodall-institute-partnering-with-fox-caesar-chimpanzee-sanctuary-1202454311/ deadline.com/2017/11/critics-choice-documentary-awards-2017-winners-jane-kedi-vietnam-war-cries-from-stria-120220874/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76533 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/5/2017 |
| Subject: Depressing NYT article |
.htmlAnd Paris Hilton is trash!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/world/africa/ape-trafficking-bonobos-orangutans.htmlemc=edit_th_20171105&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54765500
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Message: 76534 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
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Judging from the following new California-focused article, might it not seem that the NAACP would oppose changing the credits of Beneath where (beloved) Don Pedro's concerned? I reiterate that in Spanish, the word for "black" is "negro".
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Message: 76535 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlYou're from Texas, right, Georgey?
Yeah. Figures.
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 11:43 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now
Judging from the following new California-focused article, might it not seem that the NAACP would oppose changing the credits of Beneath where (beloved) Don Pedro's concerned? I reiterate that in Spanish, the word for "black" is "negro".
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Message: 76536 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlThank you for calling to attention my Texas-based focus. I moved here to Houston 11+ years ago. Texas reportedly creates more jobs than all the rest of the U.S. states combined. Hypersensitivies aren't allowed to get in the way of progress, jurisprudentially or otherwise. Houston's the most ethnically diverse of the USA's 10 largest cities, by the way. Texas repeatedly elected a black state supreme court chief justice earlier this decade but he retired because the private sector pays better. He campaigned as the first descendant of slaves to lead the supreme ct., but plenty of whites were slaves along the way, too. You might find this to be informative & interesting:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/father-of-u-s-slavery-was-a-black-man
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76537 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Disney to buy Fox?! |
.html.html Rumor has it Disney wants 21st Century Fox, Fox's movie and TV division. Talks are a long way off but what would a Disney Apes movie look like? An Apes ride at Disneyland? collider.com/disney-fox-deal-marvel-movies/ Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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Message: 76538 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
.htmlNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I hate Disney more than I hate Texas!!!!!!
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From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 2:24 pm
Subject: [pota] Disney to buy Fox?!
Rumor has it Disney wants 21st Century Fox, Fox's movie and TV division. Talks are a long way off but what would a Disney Apes movie look like?
An Apes ride at Disneyland?
collider.com/disney-fox-deal-marvel-movies/
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Message: 76539 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now |
.htmlWonderful! Here's to hoping Texas becomes the blue state it deserves to be sooner rather than later, and remember... Viva La Mexico! (He he, I hate Texas!)
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 2:02 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Don Pedro Colley: dividing & conquering then and now
Thank you for calling to attention my Texas-based focus. I moved here to Houston 11+ years ago. Texas reportedly creates more jobs than all the rest of the U.S. states combined. Hypersensitivies aren't allowed to get in the way of progress, jurisprudentially or otherwise. Houston's the most ethnically diverse of the USA's 10 largest cities, by the way. Texas repeatedly elected a black state supreme court chief justice earlier this decade but he retired because the private sector pays better. He campaigned as the first descendant of slaves to lead the supreme ct., but plenty of whites were slaves along the way, too.
You might find this to be informative & interesting:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/02/father-of-u-s-slavery-was-a- black-man
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Message: 76540 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
.htmlLet's keep in mind that Disney bought Lucasfilm (or something along those lines) and did fine with Rogue One. They did make Rogue One, right? I have too many screens open to be able to confirm it right now.
I didn't particularly enjoy The Force Awakens, but for that matter episodes 2 and 3 of Star Wars also weren't particularly worthwhile either, save for the Darth Vader-creation scene. 2 & 3 were done by Lucasfilm / Fox. I did thoroughly enjoy episodes 4-6 during the 1970s and 1980s. Fox / Lucasfilm made those, although I'm not too sure of the hybridization of production that transpired.
Meanwhile I THINK John Carter (of Mars) was done by Disney. It didn't make its money back but I enjoyed it too.
POTA has had trouble being commercialized at the toy level these past few decades. If we want lasting fans, we probably have to win the kids over like we were won over during the 1970s, ourselves.
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Message: 76541 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/6/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
.htmlThe Drudge Report?!!!! That right-wing hack? Pleeeeeeease!
And a state with no state income taxes is a state with less than adequate social services. Yeah, like I want to live there. I used to -- in Florida. What a dump that state is!
And let's not keep Disney in mind at all. Do you know what Walt Disney was like with his cartoonists? Ever read about what ol' Walt was really like? Nice guy.
And Texas. Now there's something I can agree with Trump about -- kind of. I say let Texas succeed from the Union if they want to -- Oh, please do! -- then, Let's build a wall around Texas!
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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 3:22 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox?!
Let's keep in mind that Disney bought Lucasfilm (or something along those lines) and did fine with Rogue One. They did make Rogue One, right? I have too many screens open to be able to confirm it right now.
I didn't particularly enjoy The Force Awakens, but for that matter episodes 2 and 3 of Star Wars also weren't particularly worthwhile either, save for the Darth Vader-creation scene. 2 & 3 were done by Lucasfilm / Fox. I did thoroughly enjoy episodes 4-6 during the 1970s and 1980s. Fox / Lucasfilm made those, although I'm not too sure of the hybridization of production that transpired.
Meanwhile I THINK John Carter (of Mars) was done by Disney. It didn't make its money back but I enjoyed it too.
POTA has had trouble being commerci alized at the toy level these past few decades. If we want lasting fans, we probably have to win the kids over like we were won over during the 1970s, ourselves.
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76542 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
.html.html Disney does all the new Star Wars movies. They have the rights. They do all the Marvel comics movies. They have the rights. Except: Spider-man – Sony. The Hulk – Universal. Both have made deals with Disney to loan characters. Fox has the rights to X-Men and Fantastic 4. And the original Star Wars movie. Disney sez "Gimme!". But they probably wouldn't have financed something as bleak as War. Look for homogenous Ape movies if they get it. Or none at all. They aren't very popular. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 12:16 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox?!
Let's keep in mind that Disney bought Lucasfilm (or something along those lines) and did fine with Rogue One. They did make Rogue One, right? I have too many screens open to be able to confirm it right now. I didn't particularly enjoy The Force Awakens, but for that matter episodes 2 and 3 of Star Wars also weren't particularly worthwhile either, save for the Darth Vader-creation scene. 2 & 3 were done by Lucasfilm / Fox. I did thoroughly enjoy episodes 4-6 during the 1970s and 1980s. Fox / Lucasfilm made those, although I'm not too sure of the hybridization of production that transpired.
Meanwhile I THINK John Carter (of Mars) was done by Disney. It didn't make its money back but I enjoyed it too. POTA has had trouble being commercialized at the toy level these past few decades. If we want lasting fans, we probably have to win the kids over like we were won over during the 1970s, ourselves. <.html |
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Message: 76543 |
From: Melinda |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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Mel
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Message: 76544 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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Message: 76545 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox?! |
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As Charlton Heston said during his later years, we've gone from making films about people from history books to movies about folks from comic books.
Disney's not free-from-blame regarding this trend.
Disney's also not free from influential critics:
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76546 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
.htmlMy concern is more over how Disney would treat the original APES films. Would they continue the work that Fox has been doing with 4K remasters of the catalog? Disney has a very bad reputation with their home video division. Fox is about to give us, via a license with Twilight Time, a 4K remaster of Arthur Jacobs DOCTOR DOLITTLE on Blu-ray. I already have my pre-order in for it. It comes out November 14th. Can't wait to look at it. My fear is that if Disney controlled the Fox library, this would end.
But it looks like the deal isn't going to happen, but those damn Murdochs definitely want to sell the studio, so somebody is going to buy it. Keep your fingers crossed it a good company.
Rory (AKA Haristas)
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From: Melinda chimel23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 4:20 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox?
I'm of the opposite view...I'm fine with the LucasFilm prequels but feel Disney ruined everything by the way they wrote the characters and not continuing the over 30 years of work that already existed. I don't even watch any Disney SW. I'm a diehard Legends fan. And I find good reason to worry about how they'd handle the Apes franchise if they got it.
Mel
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76547 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Lab Chimps on the move. |
.htmlhttps://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/science/chimps-sanctuaries-research.htmlemc=edit_th_20171107&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=54765500
I regularly donate to Chimp Haven.
Rory
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76548 |
From: georgetaylor68 |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
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POTA '68 sure didn't look very digitized the last time I saw it on the big screen (Fathom Events, 2016). I'm not sure things would get much worse on that front. But you're more of a follower of those developments than I am.
Personally I'm more concerned about the risk that POTA would become counterproductively bland, so's not to offend the conveniently easily offended. Disney doesn't strike me as a company that is cutting edge regarding social issues. And yet that's part of the POTA charm.
Here's the latest on the acquisition possibility, courtesy of Rory's favorite right-wing website (DrudgeReport.com):
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| Group: pota |
Message: 76549 |
From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/7/2017 |
| Subject: Re: Disney to buy Fox? |
.html.html I don't think Fox is particularly looking to sell. They might have just heard Disney out and said no. If Disney can't name the right price I don't think anyone can. I remember last year Fox tried to buy Warner Bros. (which is now going to AT&T). Usually the Murdochs like to get bigger. And the studio is their most interesting asset. They just need some hits. Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 9:02 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox?
My concern is more over how Disney would treat the original APES films. Would they continue the work that Fox has been doing with 4K remasters of the catalog? Disney has a very bad reputation with their home video division. Fox is about to give us, via a license with Twilight Time, a 4K remaster of Arthur Jacobs DOCTOR DOLITTLE on Blu-ray. I already have my pre-order in for it. It comes out November 14th. Can't wait to look at it. My fear is that if Disney controlled the Fox library, this would end.
But it looks like the deal isn't going to happen, but those damn Murdochs definitely want to sell the studio, so somebody is going to buy it. Keep your fingers crossed it a good company. Rory (AKA Haristas)
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From: Melinda chimel23@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Nov 7, 2017 4:20 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox?
I'm of the opposite view...I'm fine with the LucasFilm prequels but feel Disney ruined everything by the way they wrote the characters and not continuing the over 30 years of work that already existed. I don't even watch any Disney SW. I'm a diehard Legends fan. And I find good reason to worry about how they'd handle the Apes franchise if they got it.
Mel
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Date: 11/7/2017 |
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.htmlOr maybe the Murdochs fear that their fast-and-loose endeavors on television (for example conservative news coverage) could land their movies in hot water, and they'd rather stick with the meaningfully controversial stuff on a daily basis and let their movie franchises swim to shore and security?
What of making POTA an indy company, sort of like Apjac productions? Distribution could seemingly be handled more efficiently than ever, nation-by-nation (if need be), but not necessarily by Fox.
I recall that Fox was behind the endeavor when Apjac Productions was still active, but I'm mentioning the name just to help raise the idea. Couldn't a POTA-focused company achieve well on its own nowadays? |
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Date: 11/7/2017 |
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.html.html Apjac was just the production company (like Chernin is now). Fox was always the distributor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
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Subject: RE: [pota] Re: Disney to buy Fox? Or maybe the Murdochs fear that their fast-and-loose endeavors on television (for example conservative news coverage) could land their movies in hot water, and they'd rather stick with the meaningfully controversial stuff on a daily basis and let their movie franchises swim to shore and security? What of making POTA an indy company, sort of like Apjac productions? Distribution could seemingly be handled more efficiently than ever, nation-by-nation (if need be), but not necessarily by Fox. I recall that Fox was behind the endeavor when Apjac Productions was still active, but I'm mentioning the name just to help raise the idea. Couldn't a POTA-focused company achieve well on its own nowadays? <.html |
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Date: 11/7/2017 |
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Melinda,I'm not sure I'm understanding what you mean by how Disney's The Force Awakens doesn't continue the previous 30 years of Star Wars movies, unless you're referring to spinoff works such as comic books, video games and cartoons (etc.) of which I'm not personally aware (?)
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From: mlccougar |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
.html.html .htmlI'm actually glad of that: The college thesis book author was getting a little tiresome...
In a message dated 10/30/2017 9:14:40 AM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
I guess he, Jeff Bond and Rich Handley are now the go-to guys to discuss POTA, at least in Fox DVD/Blu-ray featurettes.
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Date: 11/8/2017 |
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.html.html .htmlAgreed 100% on all points and have said such before: On a different forum I read, someone on there posted that he wished there would have been a wrap-up episode for the TV series, and in another post sometime later, he was saying how he and his son wished the TV series had been set in the world of the first movie... I told him you could only do the cornfield roundup so many times and that talking humans were a neccessity for the reasons you stated...
In a message dated 10/30/2017 2:19:22 PM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Having talking humans (aside from the astronauts themselves) was pretty much a necessity for the TV show. They could ahve only gone so far with scripts if Virdon &Burke were the only intelligent humans if the series was going to have any long term vision. It gave much more flexibility in terms of generating interesting plots, conflict, etc.
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Date: 11/8/2017 |
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.html.html 50 years ago today, composer Jerry Goldsmith started work on the original POTA. That basically consisted of watching what they had and, at lunch, telling director Franklin Schaffner he wanted to do "an organic, impressionistic score". He didn't want an electronic score, popular for sci-fi films of the time. "Sounds good to me!" Schaffner replied. (Thanx to John O'Callaghan's "Simians and Serialism" for the insights) Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
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.html.html Today tickets go on sale for "King Kong" on Broadway, which will hit exactly one year from today. Brings us a step closer to "POTA: the Musical", prophesied by the Simpsons over 20 years ago (though it doesn't look like "King Kong" is a musical). deadline.com/2017/11/king-kong-broadway-opening-date-1202204111/ Speaking of which, here is a history of the POTA musical: vulture/2017/07/the-simpsons-planet-of-the-apes-musical-oral-history-zauis.html
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From: Jeff K. |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
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.html.html D'oh! Here's the link. vulture.com/2017/07/the-simpsons-planet-of-the-apes-musical-oral-history-zauis.html Sent from Mail for Windows 10 <.html |
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From: haristas |
Date: 11/8/2017 |
| Subject: Re: "War" is over if you want it |
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I'd rather the TV series was the setup of the original movie, only the astronauts escaped with Galen and trekked across the Forbidden Zone to find other ape societies and humans that were not mere animals. And none of that Urko crap.
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From: mlccougar@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 3:36 am
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: "War" is over if you want it
Agreed 100% on all points and have said such before: On a different forum I read, someone on there posted that he wished there would have been a wrap-up episode for the TV series, and in another post sometime later, he was saying how he and his son wished the TV series had been set in the world of the first movie... I told him you could only do the cornfield roundup so many times and that talking humans were a neccessity for the reasons you stated...
In a message dated 10/30/2017 2:19:22 PM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:
Having talking humans (aside from the astronauts themselves) was pretty much a necessity for the TV show. They could ahve only gone so far with scripts if Virdon &Burke were the only intelligent humans if the series was going to have any long term vision. It gave much more flexibility in terms of generating interesting plots, conflict, etc.
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Message: 76559 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
| Subject: 280 new stills from MT-B |
.htmlThanks to Mark Talbot-Butler, I've added another 280 images to the Still
archive on my website. This brings the total number of stills from
Mark's collection to just under 2,200 high-quality scans!
https://pota.goatley.com/
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Message: 76560 |
From: haristas |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
| Subject: Re: 280 new stills from MT-B |
.htmlMore from PLANET, I hope! I love looking at Mark's stills. Thanks, Hunter.
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From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; potadg <potadg@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 9, 2017 9:26 am
Subject: [pota] 280 new stills from MT-B
Thanks to Mark Talbot-Butler, I've added another 280 images to the Still
archive on my website. This brings the total number of stills from
Mark's collection to just under 2,200 high-quality scans!
https://pota.goatley.com/
Hunter
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From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 11/9/2017 |
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More from
PLANET, I hope! I love looking at Mark's stills.
Thanks, Hunter.
There are more from Planet and Beneath than any of
the others!
66 new ones from Planet, and 33 new behind-the-scenes photos
from Planet.
Hunter
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