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Group: pota	Message: 76662	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/6/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76663	From: haristas	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76664	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76665	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76666	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76667	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76668	From: mlccougar	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76669	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76670	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: one for Andy

Group: pota	Message: 76671	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: No Golden Globe nominations for "War"

Group: pota	Message: 76672	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76673	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76674	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76675	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76676	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76677	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76678	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76679	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76680	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76681	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76682	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76683	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76684	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks? [1 Attachment]

Group: pota	Message: 76685	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76686	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76687	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76688	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76689	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76690	From: Dario	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76691	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76692	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76693	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76694	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76695	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76696	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76697	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76698	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76699	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

Group: pota	Message: 76700	From: Jeff Barkley	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all [1 Attachment]

Group: pota	Message: 76701	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/14/2017
Subject: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76702	From: haristas	Date: 12/15/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76703	From: haristas	Date: 12/15/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76704	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/15/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76705	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76706	From: James	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Group: pota	Message: 76707	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76708	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76709	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76710	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/17/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76711	From: knightangel314	Date: 12/18/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76712	From: mlccougar	Date: 12/18/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76713	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/19/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76714	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/19/2017
Subject: Re: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

Group: pota	Message: 76715	From: George Taylor	Date: 12/23/2017
Subject: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

Group: pota	Message: 76716	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/23/2017
Subject: Re: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

Group: pota	Message: 76717	From: Zachary Scott	Date: 12/24/2017
Subject: Re: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

Group: pota	Message: 76718	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone haristas wrote:

Group: pota	Message: 76719	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76720	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks? [1 Attachment]

Group: pota	Message: 76721	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76722	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all [1 Attachment]

Group: pota	Message: 76723	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

Group: pota	Message: 76724	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Group: pota	Message: 76725	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76726	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone haristas wrote:

Group: pota	Message: 76727	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

Group: pota	Message: 76728	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/26/2017
Subject: Re: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

Group: pota	Message: 76729	From: haristas	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76730	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76731	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76732	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76733	From: haristas	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76734	From: haristas	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: More info on ESCAPE restoration

Group: pota	Message: 76735	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76736	From: haristas	Date: 12/31/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

Group: pota	Message: 76737	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76738	From: haristas	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76739	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76740	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76741	From: haristas	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76742	From: Dario	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76743	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76744	From: George Taylor	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: POTA's gettin' loved even half a century later... (Houston Chronicle

Group: pota	Message: 76745	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/4/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76746	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/4/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76747	From: haristas	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76748	From: haristas	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76749	From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

Group: pota	Message: 76750	From: James	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Group: pota	Message: 76751	From: George Taylor	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own streaming

Group: pota	Message: 76752	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own stream

Group: pota	Message: 76753	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own stream

Group: pota	Message: 76754	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

Group: pota	Message: 76755	From: jamesa1102	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

Group: pota	Message: 76756	From: haristas	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

Group: pota	Message: 76757	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

Group: pota	Message: 76758	From: James	Date: 1/13/2018
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

Group: pota	Message: 76759	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)

Group: pota	Message: 76760	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)

Group: pota	Message: 76761	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Disney's movies for 2018 leave much to be desired. More Apes someda

Group: pota	Message: 76662	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/6/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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I think you've pointed out that there are inconsistencies and errors in both views. And since the audience is never shown the events of those 1,300 years, no one can definitely what is right or wrong. At this point, whatever view anyone takes to enhance their enjoyment of the films is up to them.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@...> wrote :

There's a damn lot of time between "Battle" and "Planet". Especially for such a primitive society it's unrealistic to think they know exactly what went down in all those years.

If in 30 years Haristas starts calling Donald Trump "the greatest person of all, our Lawgiver" that doesn't mean there weren't other presidents.

It's true that if John Huston is called the Lawgiver we assume it's the same ape referred to later, but maybe he changed his tune and started hating humans.

Though I don't believe Battle and Planet are the same timeline so why am I fighting your battles for you?

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Group: pota	Message: 76663	From: haristas	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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Cornelius' story of the secrets to the planet of the apes is the biggest inconsistency in the series outside of the 3978/3955 thing. It immediately contradicts what's there to see in BENEATH; that there was a late 20th-century nuclear war that destroyed NYC and probably the world. Therefore, for Cornelius' story in ESCAPE to be true, then a 500-year enslavement of apes that concludes with a simian revolution must have happened in a post-holocaust world, and one in which a ship returned from space to spread a virus to kill all dogs and cats? So, not only did men and apes survive the nuclear holocaust but dogs and cats, too, though they would soon be wiped out by a plague. Dehn just didn't think this stuff up too well. It's a convoluted mess.

-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:38 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

Not assuming anything, just pointing out the inconsistencies based on what the audience actually sees in the films.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

You see what you're doing there, you're making assumptions to try to correct contradictions in order to make the view of things as a closed timeloop make perfect sense. The problem is, things said and depicted in the movies just don't match or perfectly add up. They just don't, but if you want to start assuming things, you can go anywhere.

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Group: pota	Message: 76664	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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Anyone else here think it was a jerk move that Zira and Cornelius + Milo took Taylor's ship without trying to find him or telling him..."hey Taylor, we found your ship, wanna take a trip?"

Nope? Anyone...anyone?

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Group: pota	Message: 76665	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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.htmlThey (C and Z) saw him leave for the Forbidden Zone with Nova before they knew the ship was located. How would they have found him?

It does beg the question of whether Taylor's story allowed them to find it, thus setting off the chain of events leading to Beneath through Battle. Or did Milo find it independently and then tell his friends it could fly?

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On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:59 AM, rv.cupp01@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Anyone else here think it was a jerk move that Zira and Cornelius + Milo took Taylor's ship without trying to find him or telling him..."hey Taylor, we found your ship, wanna take a trip?"

Nope? Anyone...anyone?

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Group: pota	Message: 76666	From: Stuart Drucker	Date: 12/7/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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.htmlUnless...what we saw in Beneath was NYC destroyed in the nuclear war following Caesar's revolt, AND Taylor or someone changed the timeline by arriving in POTA, altering what WAS the timeline Cornelius referenced from the Secret Scrolls. Leading to the ape-o-nauts blasting off, returning to the past, etc.

And that set off an alternate timeline that somehow kept them with their memories but put them in the 1991 timeline while they were in the planet we saw in Beneath. LOL.

On Dec 7, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Haristas@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Cornelius' story of the secrets to the planet of the apes is the biggest inconsistency in the series outside of the 3978/3955 thing. It immediately contradicts what's there to see in BENEATH; that there was a late 20th-century nuclear war that destroyed NYC and probably the world. Therefore, for Cornelius' story in ESCAPE to be true, then a 500-year enslavement of apes that concludes with a simian revolution must have happened in a post-holocaust world, and one in which a ship returned from space to spread a virus to kill all dogs and cats? So, not only did men and apes survive the nuclear holocaust but dogs and cats, too, though they would soon be wiped out by a plague. Dehn just didn't think this stuff up too well. It's a convoluted mess.

-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:38 pm
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

Not assuming anything, just pointing out the inconsistencies based on what the audience actually sees in the films.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

You see what you're doing there, you're making assumptions to try to correct contradictions in order to make the view of things as a closed timeloop make perfect sense. The problem is, things said and depicted in the movies just don't match or perfectly add up. They just don't, but if you want to start assuming things, you can go anywhere.

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Group: pota	Message: 76667	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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Don't think they were jerks. They didn't know where Taylor was or if he was still alive. Milo on the other hand, if he had help salvaging the ship, why didn't he bring those apes along? Why did he bring C&Z instead?

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <rv.cupp01@...> wrote :

Anyone else here think it was a jerk move that Zira and Cornelius + Milo took Taylor's ship without trying to find him or telling him..."hey Taylor, we found your ship, wanna take a trip?"

Nope? Anyone...anyone?

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Group: pota	Message: 76668	From: mlccougar	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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.html.htmlAnother thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

In a message dated 12/10/2017 10:27:16 AM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Don't think they were jerks. They didn't know where Taylor was or if he was still alive. Milo on the other hand, if he had help salvaging the ship, why didn't he bring those apes along? Why did he bring C&Z instead?

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <rv.cupp01@...> wrote :

Anyone else here think it was a jerk move that Zira and Cornelius + Milo took Taylor's ship without trying to find him or telling him..."hey Taylor, we found your ship, wanna take a trip?"

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Group: pota	Message: 76669	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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I think it was a last minute thing. Milo would get word to them he found it and got it working (unlikely but that's the story). It would've been after their scenes in "Beneath" so Zira's last line is "I think it's time for a change".

So they'd be willing to roll the dice (trusting in Milo's knowledge). Whoever helped Milo probably wouldn't want to go. Plus Cornelius and Zira have "the right stuff".

If Cornelius and Zira were jerks than "Escape" wouldn't work as well as it did.

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From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2017 8:26 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <rv.cupp01@...> wrote :

Anyone else here think it was a jerk move that Zira and Cornelius + Milo took Taylor's ship without trying to find him or telling him..."hey Taylor, we found your ship, wanna take a trip?"

Nope? Anyone...anyone?

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Group: pota	Message: 76670	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/10/2017
Subject: one for Andy

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The San Francisco Film Critics Circle named Andy Serkis Best Actor for "War". Congrats!

Fox said they will try to get "War" some awards love but so far it hasn't made a dent. It's a particularly heavy year for acclaimed genre movies with "Wonder Woman", "Logan" , "Blade Runner 2" and "The Weight of Water". It's still early but so far none of the Nu Apes have had much success. People pay lip service to how good they are but don't put their awards where their mouth is.

I personally got the chance to wish Matt Reeves luck this awards season and hopefully "War" will get some before Fox gets swallowed up by Disney (which looks to be happening).

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Group: pota	Message: 76671	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: No Golden Globe nominations for "War"

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You know what? We deserve Trump! And we deserve Disney owning everything!

We deserve it!

AH HA HA HA HA HA!

We deserve it!

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Group: pota	Message: 76672	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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Good points from all. I just thought it kind of funny and I had never thought of it before that Zira, Cornelius and Milo never said anything about trying to find Taylor prior to taking his ship. Shouldn't the Senate Hearing Committee in Escape have asked them, "Did you try to find Taylor and tell him you found his ship and did you make every effort to have him escape with you?" Just a thought

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Group: pota	Message: 76673	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/11/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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I thought maybe the Senate Committee in "Escape" would have asked something like, "Did you try to find Taylor and tell him you found his ship and did you make an effort to have him escape with you?"

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Group: pota	Message: 76674	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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But if Schaffner, Wilson, and Serling didn't bother to explain, how does it fall to Paul Dehn all of a sudden? And why do the directors of the sequels get a pass?

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>If you look at the original PLANET OF THE APES movies and come away

from it thinking that a nuclear holocaust and only that somehow magically jumped simian evolution -- then I contend you look at the thing with a still adolescent mentality, and to an incredible degree this is what is the problem with Reeves. He's no Franklin J. Schaffner, and Mark Bomback is no Michael Wilson much less Rod Serling. And it was a huge failing with Paul Dehn that he never bothered to explain how the apes suddenly became super-intelligent and able to talk -- they just did. That's the main reason I don't like the sequels -- they're truly half-baked. <<
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Group: pota	Message: 76675	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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Actually, all you really saw in BENEATH were significant landmarks (GCT, St. Patrick's Cathedral, Radio City, NYSE) which would still be around in the 2500s. There's also the fact that the underground city was originally described as a "22nd Century Catacomb Complex" (or some such) and there were no discernable landmarks. Brent didn't find out he was back on Earth until he was being interrogated by the Mutants and they told him. The changes made from Dehn's screenplays to shown ruins of 20th century landmarks were done more as a cost-cutting measure than anything else, and in fact there was someone (William J. Creber?) in the BEHIND documentary who explained how he figured out angles that would work in the film, sent people out to take photos, and then cut partial images out of said photos with a razor blade (paraphrasing). Regardless of the reason why, audiences- especially back in 1970- are going to have a more visceral reaction to scenes of their own world in ruins than that of an unknown, future one. I saw BENEATH at Lincoln Center once back in 2008 and the whole theater reacted when Brent saw the QUEENSBORO PLAZA sign.

More to the overall point, everyone seems to forget that BENEATH was supposed to be it as far as POTA movies were concerned. The continuity issues which people here like to point out actually started in ESCAPE when Cornelius and Zira were recounting the history of how man fell and apes rose. Yet that film gets fawned over and often cited as the best of the sequels.

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>Cornelius' story of the secrets to the planet of the apes is the

biggest inconsistency in the series outside of the 3978/3955 thing. It immediately contradicts what's there to see in BENEATH; that there was a late 20th-century nuclear war that destroyed NYC and probably the world. <<<.html

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Group: pota	Message: 76676	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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I've never understood how you can both make disdainful comments towards humanity in general (see below, plus there's been other occasions in the past) yet still dislike BENEATH as much as you do. If ever there was an allegorical story about how mankind- and higher intelligence in general- is always doomed to destroy itself, BENEATH is it. And yes, even moreso than PLANET.

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>That's my biggest problem with Reeves -- he "likes" Beneath.

Blaaaaahhhhh!!!!!! <<

but earlier wrote:

>>We're majestic animals? Yeah, right.

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Group: pota	Message: 76677	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/12/2017
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Well it falls to Paul Dehn because Arthur Jacobs hired him to write the sequels.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <lawford42@...> wrote :

But if Schaffner, Wilson, and Serling didn't bother to explain, how does it fall to Paul Dehn all of a sudden? And why do the directors of the sequels get a pass?

Chris L.

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Group: pota	Message: 76678	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/12/2017
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In the first draft of the script for Beneath (titled POTA Revisited) Brent sees a portrait of Mendez I who is described as a 20th Century U.S. Army General dated 1997. In the final draft it is noted that the city's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990.

Both scripts are available on Hunter's site: https://pota.goatley.com/scripts.html"

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <lawford42@...> wrote :

Chris L.

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Group: pota	Message: 76679	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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Another thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

Although I think ESCAPE is the best of the sequels, there are still things about it that are absolutely absurd and just have to be ignored if you're going to enjoy the movie at all. One of those absurdities is Dr. Milo's restoration of Taylor's spaceship, and the biggest absurdity with it is that it happens in an amazingly short period of time. How much time passes between the end of PLANET and the conclusion of BENEATH? Two weeks? Two months? Whatever the short duration, Dr. Milo was able to salvage that ship from the bottom of the lake, repair it, understand it, refuel it and somehow know that he needed to get off the planet in it because a doomsday bomb -- that he would have no foreknowledge of -- was about to go off and destroy the world.

The APES sequels... Oh, the pain.

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Group: pota	Message: 76680	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
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Brent didn't find out he was back on Earth until he was being interrogated by the Mutants and they told him.

What version of BENEATH is that?

He knew he was back on Earth when he was in the subway station -- where there was a very 20th century dial phone!!!

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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 12, 2017 1:13 am
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Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>Cornelius' story of the secrets to the planet of the apes is the biggest inconsistency in the series outside of the 3978/3955 thing. It immediately contradicts what's there to see in BENEATH; that there was a late 20th-century nuclear war that destroyed NYC and probably the world. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76681	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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In the first draft of the script for Beneath (titled POTA Revisited) Brent sees a portrait of Mendez I who is described as a 20th Century U.S. Army General dated 1997. In the final draft it is noted that the city's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990.

Which in turn means that Cornelius and Zira's story in ESCAPE of a five-hundred-year enslavement of apes and a simian revolution is only possible in a post-apocalyptic world -- if you want to believe the story.

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Group: pota	Message: 76682	From: haristas	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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I've never understood how you can both make disdainful comments towards humanity in general (see below, plus there's been other occasions in the past) yet still dislike BENEATH as much as you do. If ever there was an allegorical story about how mankind- and higher intelligence in general- is always doomed to destroy itself, BENEATH is it. And yes, even moreso than PLANET.

Because it's an unnecessary, ill-conceived, badly scripted and directed pile of cinematic junk, that's way.

Beneath the planet of the apes..... it stinks.

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Group: pota	Message: 76683	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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I agree. "Escape" is the best of the sequels.

In the end a good movie is a good movie. Doesn't matter what they get wrong about the timeline.

Every one of the POTA movies can have holes poked in them.

That's why I'm a big fan of the NuApes. They are good movies! I don't care if it's not makeup or doesn't fit the original POTA or doesn't have nukes.

In the end either a movie is good or it isn't. If it's good we'll forgive it anything.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Another thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

The APES sequels... Oh, the pain.

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"Escape" is a perfect example.

The beginning is dubious at best. It maybe has the biggest leap in logic of any POTA movie.

That Milo was able to salvage, figure out and fly Taylor's ship. And that Zira nd Cornelius were able to get to the ship before the world exploded (since we saw them in "Beneath").

It's maybe the silliest thing in all of POTA but we make excuses for it because we love the movie that results.

It's just a wonderful movie and who cares how we got there?

I get the love for "Beneath" and it's epic story. I love the second half. But the first half is a poor man's version of the original and that's what lowers it for me.

I'd say "Escape", then "Conquest". "Beneath" and "Battle" fight it out for last place, depending on my mood. Ultimately I'd give the edge to "Beneath".

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I agree. "Escape" is the best of the sequels.

In the end a good movie is a good movie. Doesn't matter what they get wrong about the timeline.

Every one of the POTA movies can have holes poked in them.

That's why I'm a big fan of the NuApes. They are good movies! I don't care if it's not makeup or doesn't fit the original POTA or doesn't have nukes.

In the end either a movie is good or it isn't. If it's good we'll forgive it anything.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 7:48 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Another thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

The APES sequels... Oh, the pain.

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Group: pota	Message: 76685	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: It's a small planet after all

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Word is that the Fox/Disney deal is done and will be announced Thursday.

Those who want to mourn Fox, wonder about the future of POTA, get ready.

We don't know what it all means yet (will Disney continue Fox as a unit of it's company or just pick it's bones?) or even whether it will get through government regulations (reportedly Fox chose Disney because it had a better shot then going with Comcast). AT&T's deal for Time/Warner is still jumping through hoops.

I've heard the transition will be about a year so Fox could conceivably greenlight a groovy POTA movie that would be too far along for Disney to strop it.

In the end, Disney these days is not the innovator Fox is. Disney's biggest brands owe a debt to Fox. Fox was the first to put big money behind a Marvel comic book movie with "X-Men" (2000). Of course Fox greenlit the first "Star Wars" movie (based on their success with POTA). And one could say Fox rolling the dice on George Lucas led to Pixar (he nurtured Pixar in it's formative years). And Disney's successful live-action versions of their classic cartoons is based on Walt Disney's innovations, not theirs.

Will Disney make Fox a division that does it's own thing? Unlikely. Let's not forget that Fox Searchlight is their indie division that almost always has a Best Picture winner or nominee. Hard to imagine Disney maintaining that.

On the other hand, Disney paid a reported $74 billion for Fox (30% above the market value) so they aren't doing it just to eliminate competition. Reportedly the big reason is to have content for their streaming service (the future that has made huge successes of Netflix and Amazon Prime). We're in the era of people watching movies on their phones. Innovation is technology, not movies anymore.

20^th Century Fox has a storied history and I will mourn it. There would be no POTA movies if Fox hadn't greenlit them (and even that was a struggle). Plain and simple, we here owe it a lot.

RIP Fox.

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Group: pota	Message: 76686	From: rv.cupp01	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

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Who knows? Maybe Disney might not be willing to let the POTA franchise go to waste. Wouldn't it be neat if they would do a Planet of the Apes anthology series. I would love to see something, even a limited series in the same vein as the recent Tales from the Forbidden Zone book. We can always dream can't we?

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Group: pota	Message: 76687	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
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"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.

It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.

Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

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Group: pota	Message: 76688	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/12/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

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On 12/12/2017 2:19 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.

It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.

Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76689	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/12/2017
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Though if Disney hit upon a popular version of POTA they would be the perfect company to merchandise it.

Collectors of "Ape stuff" would have a field day.

But it's weird to imagine Disney doing a hard-hitting POTA story like the originals. A Disney POTA almost sounds like something for Sat. Night Live.

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From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:29 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's a small planet after all

On 12/12/2017 2:19 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.
It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.
Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76690	From: Dario	Date: 12/12/2017
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A much as Fox has messed up a lot of stuff over the years I hope this deal doesn't end up sealing their fate. There was a lot of worry and concerns when Disney bought Marvel but they have been fairly "hands off" and let them do what they were doing. If anything it is the merchandising, tie- ins, and other deals that may come out helping the PotA franchise. They tend to leave money makers alone and even though the "new" PotA did not do as well as some hoped it still made money.

Only time will tell...

Dario

On Dec 12, 2017, at 2:13 PM, "Jeff K. veetus@... [PotaDG]" <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com > wrote:

Word is that the Fox/Disney deal is done and will be announced Thursday.
Those who want to mourn Fox, wonder about the future of POTA, get ready.
We don't know what it all means yet (will Disney continue Fox as a unit of it's company or just pick it's bones?) or even whether it will get through government regulations (reportedly Fox chose Disney because it had a better shot then going with Comcast). AT&T's deal for Time/Warner is still jumping through hoops.
I've heard the transition will be about a year so Fox could conceivably greenlight a groovy POTA movie that would be too far along for Disney to strop it.

In the end, Disney these days is not the innovator Fox is. Disney's biggest brands owe a debt to Fox. Fox was the first to put big money behind a Marvel comic book movie with "X-Men" (2000). Of course Fox greenlit the first "Star Wars" movie (based on their success with POTA). And one could say Fox rolling the dice on George Lucas led to Pixar (he nurtured Pixar in it's formative years). And Disney's successful live-action versions of their classic cartoons is based on Walt Disney's innovations, not theirs.
Will Disney make Fox a division that does it's own thing? Unlikely. Let's not forget that Fox Searchlight is their indie division that almost always has a Best Picture winner or nominee. Hard to imagine Disney maintaining that.

On the other hand, Disney paid a reported $74 billion for Fox (30% above the market value) so they aren't doing it just to eliminate competition. Reportedly the big reason is to have content for their streaming service (the future that has made huge successes of Netflix and Amazon Prime). We're in the era of people watching movies on their phones. Innovation is technology, not movies anymore.
20^th Century Fox has a storied history and I will mourn it. There would be no POTA movies if Fox hadn't greenlit them (and even that was a struggle). Plain and simple, we here owe it a lot.
RIP Fox.

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Group: pota	Message: 76691	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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That makes more sense that most of the other two timeline theories out there.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

In the first draft of the script for Beneath (titled POTA Revisited) Brent sees a portrait of Mendez I who is described as a 20th Century U.S. Army General dated 1997. In the final draft it is noted that the city's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990.

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Group: pota	Message: 76692	From: jamesa1102	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

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Probably only a week or two between Planet and Beneath but Milo could have started during the events of Planet.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

Another thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

The APES sequels... Oh, the pain.

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Group: pota	Message: 76693	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

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Why are we assuming that because Disney is buying 20th that it means 20th will cease to be? I don't see that happening. 20th Century Fox has a long history and still has a lot in Westwood. I don't it getting closed down, and I don't see it getting renamed "Disney." 20th, the "Studio," and the Fox TV network, will just be a subsidiary companies of Disney.

My big concern is that the restoration team at Fox that have been doing the restorations of the older films, continues and those people aren't fired. Hopefully they just start working on Disney movies too.

Hey, that reminds me... Has anyone else here gotten the Twilight Time Blu-ray of DOCTOR DOLITTLE?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>; PotaDG <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 12, 2017 2:23 pm
Subject: [pota] It's a small planet after all

Word is that the Fox/Disney deal is done and will be announced Thursday.

Those who want to mourn Fox, wonder about the future of POTA, get ready.

I've heard the transition will be about a year so Fox could conceivably greenlight a groovy POTA movie that would be too far along for Disney to strop it.

20^th Century Fox has a storied history and I will mourn it. There would be no POTA movies if Fox hadn't greenlit them (and even that was a struggle). Plain and simple, we here owe it a lot.

RIP Fox.

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Group: pota	Message: 76694	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

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Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

No, we haven't. 20th Century Fox will go on, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some time in the future Disney ends up selling Fox to someone else.

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From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@goatley..com [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 12, 2017 4:08 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's a small planet after all

On 12/12/2017 2:19 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.

It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.

Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76695	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: Life in a "War" zone

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The way I see it is that between the time of Taylor's mission and the nuclear war in the 1990s, apes, for some reason (in Boulle's book it was to try and find a cure for cancer), were bred and genetically re-engineered to be domesticated and thereby more intelligent. But, that's quite an unethical thing for any scientist or group of scientists to do, so it never made much sense to me when I became an adult and started thinking about it. The reboot with RISE found the solution as to how this would happen -- by accident.

So then the nuclear war happens and civilization as we know it ends, but mankind goes on and so do the domesticated great apes, which humans, now living in a more primitive, post-apocalyptic society, eventually make into their slaves. But, just as in the Boulle novel, humans grow more intellectually lazy and eventually just take over at around the year 2500 (the apes then taking over a more primitive society that still has things like guns, cameras, surgical equipment, horses and wagons -- and the knowledge of how to make such things -- but doesn't have cars or airplanes or electricity), and it is still two to three hundred years before the life of The Lawgiver. As Dr. Zaius then says in PLANET, "For a time, the Ancients kept humans as household pets until our Lawgiver proved that man could not be tamed."

So then, Man is finally shunned by the apes and chased off into the wilderness, which, 1200 years before the time of PLANET is a much more lush North America where the primitive humans can survive and breed and be the nuisance to the apes that they still were by 3978 when the forested lands of North America have srunk to a few "greenbelts."

This is what I call "The Original Timeline."

-----Original Message-----
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 6:31 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

That makes more sense that most of the other two timeline theories out there.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

In the first draft of the script for Beneath (titled POTA Revisited) Brent sees a portrait of Mendez I who is described as a 20th Century U.S. Army General dated 1997. In the final draft it is noted that the city's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990.

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Group: pota	Message: 76696	From: haristas	Date: 12/13/2017
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Probably only a week or two between Planet and Beneath but Milo could have started during the events of Planet.

Oh, please!!!!!!

-----Original Message-----
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To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 6:33 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Were Cornelius and Zira jerks?

Probably only a week or two between Planet and Beneath but Milo could have started during the events of Planet.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

Another thing, even if they had thought about trying to locate Taylor, they would have been outta luck because he would have been in the hands of the Mutants when the ship would have been taking off...

The APES sequels... Oh, the pain.

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Group: pota	Message: 76697	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/13/2017
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Trump speeded up the intellectually lazy part.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 9:18 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

This is what I call "The Original Timeline."

-----Original Message-----
From: JamesA1102@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 6:31 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

That makes more sense that most of the other two timeline theories out there.

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <Haristas@...> wrote :

In the first draft of the script for Beneath (titled POTA Revisited) Brent sees a portrait of Mendez I who is described as a 20th Century U.S. Army General dated 1997. In the final draft it is noted that the city's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990.

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Group: pota	Message: 76698	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/13/2017
Subject: Re: It's a small planet after all

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My heart will go on but 20^th Century Fox might not.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:36 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: It's a small planet after all

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

No, we haven't. 20th Century Fox will go on, and I wouldn't be surprised if at some time in the future Disney ends up selling Fox to someone else.

On 12/12/2017 2:19 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.
It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.
Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

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The smartest thing Dizney could do it keep Fox alive as a unit. But there's no guarantee they will.

Doctor Dolittle? I have no interest in latter day Eddie Murphy movies.

Oh, the Jacobs one? I believe the 50^th anniversary of it's premiere wuz yesterday.

If I could talk to the animals they'd say that movie sucks.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 8:31 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: It's a small planet after all

Hey, that reminds me... Has anyone else here gotten the Twilight Time Blu-ray of DOCTOR DOLITTLE?

Word is that the Fox/Disney deal is done and will be announced Thursday.

Those who want to mourn Fox, wonder about the future of POTA, get ready.

I've heard the transition will be about a year so Fox could conceivably greenlight a groovy POTA movie that would be too far along for Disney to strop it.

20^th Century Fox has a storied history and I will mourn it. There would be no POTA movies if Fox hadn't greenlit them (and even that was a struggle). Plain and simple, we here owe it a lot.

RIP Fox.

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Didn't anybody see Return to Oz? That was a dark, creepy Disney movie.

On Dec 12, 2017 1:34 PM, "Jeff K. veetus@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Though if Disney hit upon a popular version of POTA they would be the perfect company to merchandise it.
Collectors of "Ape stuff" would have a field day.
But it's weird to imagine Disney doing a hard-hitting POTA story like the originals. A Disney POTA almost sounds like something for Sat. Night Live.

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From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 12:29 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: It's a small planet after all

On 12/12/2017 2:19 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

"Who knows" is the main theme right now. Probably even Disney doesn't know yet.
It was hard enough to get Fox to make POTA movies then and now and it was one of their biggest franchises.
Disney just plain doesn't need it so will they bother? It's shown it's got a limited audience.

Yeah, I suspect we've seen our last Planet of the Apes film.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76701	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/14/2017
Subject: official: 20th Century Fox now Disney's

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D'oh!

Disney officially bought most of Fox for $66.1 billion, $52.4 billion in stock; Fox shareholders own a reported 25% of Disney.

Dr. Zaius' cut? Nothing.

Who knows about the future?

deadline.com/2017/12/disney-fox-merger-deal-done-hollywood-media-1202219012/

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Group: pota	Message: 76702	From: haristas	Date: 12/15/2017
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Reading further details about this deal, I'm now horrified by it. First off, the actual "studio" itself, the Westwood lot at Century City where are the historic sound stages are, is still going to be owned by 21st Century fox -- and that means the Murdochs, and they are the real villains of the piece. What do they seem to want to do to the actual physical studio? Why sell it off to developers, of course! It's worth billions. So that means "The Studio" will eventually be bulldozed. This is in fact the end of 20th Century Fox and the very stages where they shot all those old Fox films, including POTA, will no longer exist.

And what about all the original camera negatives, sound elements and other materials in the Fox Archives? Will Disney take the tender loving care of them they deserve? Will the restoration efforts that Fox has been doing for years now continue? Will we be getting 4K remasters of all the APES movies anytime soon or at all?

I have no fucking idea!

It's depressing. The future has arrived -- and it sucks!

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D'oh!

Disney officially bought most of Fox for $66.1 billion, $52.4 billion in stock; Fox shareholders own a reported 25% of Disney.

Dr. Zaius' cut? Nothing.

Who knows about the future?

deadline.com/2017/12/disney-fox-merger-deal-done-hollywood-media-1202219012/

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Group: pota	Message: 76703	From: haristas	Date: 12/15/2017
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Looks like the Fox lot will continue to exist for the foreseeable future. Hopefully a lot longer than that.

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/disney-fox-lot-1202641181/

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I have no fucking idea!

It's depressing. The future has arrived -- and it sucks!

D'oh!

Disney officially bought most of Fox for $66.1 billion, $52.4 billion in stock; Fox shareholders own a reported 25% of Disney.

Dr. Zaius' cut? Nothing.

Who knows about the future?

deadline.com/2017/12/disney-fox-merger-deal-done-hollywood-media-1202219012/

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Group: pota	Message: 76704	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/15/2017
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Disney seems very big on preserving movies. Especially if they are mainly buying Fox for the catalogue.

But Disney has some very big fish to fry so how interested they'll be in Apes remains to be seen.

They might go through the archives to see what they've got and find some treasures.

Supposedly it'll be about a year to transition.

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To: pota@yahoogroups.com
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I have no fucking idea!

It's depressing. The future has arrived -- and it sucks!

D'oh!

Disney officially bought most of Fox for $66.1 billion, $52.4 billion in stock; Fox shareholders own a reported 25% of Disney.

Dr. Zaius' cut? Nothing.

Who knows about the future?

deadline.com/2017/12/disney-fox-merger-deal-done-hollywood-media-1202219012/

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Group: pota	Message: 76705	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/17/2017
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Which rides might Disney make that are inspired by POTA? The Icarus landing comes to mind, but since that movie's 50 years old perhaps they won't reach for that. Perhaps a run through a forest while trying to evade capture by apes... but if injuries are a risk, my guess is that Disney would be hesitant on that front. Meanwhile, such an endeavor could offend some because the humans would be pursued presumably for .... slavery. Such a ride would allegedly "normalize" the practice. Anyhow there's also the prospect of dangling from branch to branch above an air-cushioned ground level...but again: injury risks.

In looking on the bright side, since Disney has enough money of its own (despite John Carter [of Mars]), we don't need to worry as much that they'd release a mediocre version of POTA just to make some quick bucks.

Perhaps it might be best to let the franchise rest for a while? Transformers: Camelot (or whatever it's called) made this year's list of the 10 (allegedly) worst movies, according to the Houston Chronicle. We don't want POTA to wear out its welcome too...

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Group: pota	Message: 76706	From: James	Date: 12/17/2017
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"planet of the apes"

Daily update ⋅ December 17, 2017

NEWS

Sequels, spin-offs and slots: Legacy of the Planet of the Apes

Euro Weekly News

THERE are few film franchises that come close to being as iconic as Planet of the Apes. After Rupert Wyatt rebooted the franchise in the summer of 2011 with a remake of the original of the same name, Cloverfield director Matt Reeves staged the 2014 sequel Planet of the Apes Revolution (OT: Dawn of ...

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Preview of Kong on the Planet of the Apes #2

Flickering Myth (blog)

Boom! Studios continues its Kong on the Planet of the Apes crossover series this coming Wednesday with the release of issue #2 of 6, and you can take a look at a preview here… The crossover you demanded continues as Doctor Zaius, Cornelius, Zira, General Ursus, and a fleet of Gorilla Soldiers ...

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Group: pota	Message: 76707	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/17/2017
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Don't hold your breath 4 a POTA ride or a POTA anything. The new "Star Wars" made almost as much worldwide it's opening week as "War" did it's entire run (and both movies took risks story wise).

In the '60's it was "plastics". Now it's "Star Wars". Star Wars, Star Wars, Star Wars.

Did I mention Star Wars?

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I haven't seen the latest Star Wars, and I likely won't until it's out on DVD at Redbox, so I appreciate your having refrained from engaging in spoilers even as you said the writers "took chances" as they did with War for the Planet of the Apes. But I don't envision that Disney will be so eager to rule out other money-makers just because it's got such a cash cow in Star Wars. Star Wars is rather uniquely lucrative:

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4354&p=.htm

Companies that put all their eggs into one basket struggle to make it in the absence of adaptations though. I LOVED the first Star Wars and even the first three but Star Wars stories have become so predictable and even meaningless that audience fatigue is bound to eventually set in. Star Wars: The Force Awakens was such a forced rehash (no pun intended) that I could barely make it through watching the entire DVD. Admittedly I did subsequently enjoy Rogue One, especially the final half an hour, admittedly. We'll see how the Ron Howard-directed (at least as of the last time I read) prequel about Han Solo goes. He has made at least one notoriously unsuccessful movie, including the Alamo re-make a dozen or more years ago (which I admittedly thoroughly enjoyed...maybe because I had worked for 6+ years in Mexico and learned how much plenty of Mexicans hated General Santa Anna TOO).

Anyway 2/3's of Hollywood's movies LOSE MONEY, or at least that was the statistic that I repeatedly came across during the 1990s. And yet a variety of movies keeps popping up. Perhaps Disney will sell off the POTA franchise to an Indy, to free up resources to meet predictably growing salary demands of Star Wars actors?

Who here would prefer to see mediocre Apes movie episodes emerge in the future, instead of mere franchise silence for years if not decades? I prefer the latter scenario to the former. The recent trilogy was wildly successful, by our standards, but also difficult to match. I'd be thrilled to see a prequel about the Underdwellers' emergence though, as based on James' fine work here regarding the Mendez Dynasty. It wouldn't make a lot of money, but it could be profitable (and well done, and fun). Perhaps Disney is so disengaged with Apes that it would be interested in licensing Underneath the Planet of the Apes rights if we proposed it to them?

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Group: pota	Message: 76709	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/17/2017
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Disney is notoriously myopic these days. They do Star Wars, Marvel Universe, live-action cartoons and, well, real cartoons. And merchandise the crap out of them.

Bob Iger sez Disney is interested in carrying on the Fox and Fox Searchlight tradition so we'll see.

Star Wars and Marvel don't pay big star salaries (mostly), actors take what they are given. The franchises are the star.

Disney won't sell POTA. They'll either use it or put it back in the archive. Admittedly the box office of "Dawn" is nothing to sneeze at so I think they'll take a look at it. Chernin had a deal with Fox, I don't know if that will carry over. Disney might start fresh and ignore the Caesar stuff. Planet of the Happy Cats?

I would like to think Disney will pretty much keep the Fox players intact as they are and just shovel money and marketing prowess their way. Maybe Fox can get one more Apes far enough along the pipeline that Disney won't bother to cancel it. It's still Fox's game for the year or so it takes to get approved by the regulators.

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From: georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 11:52 AM
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http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4354&p=.htm

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Group: pota	Message: 76710	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/17/2017
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You've raised some good points. I had previously noticed that the salaries for Force Awakens weren't that high, except for the star who got murdered near the end. But I don't know how well the new stars are getting paid now that they're no longer rookies. Undoubtedly Fox locked them into reasonable rates before letting them become stars in the first place.

Maybe Fox will embrace Underneath the POTA in time for Disney not to be able to cancel it. If anything, it adds value to the existing archives which Disney's presumably acquiring. James would need to keep his copyright demands reasonable enough though...

Season's greetings from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76711	From: knightangel314	Date: 12/18/2017
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A lot of fans are very unhappy with this one...some of us are curious what impact it has on things. Sadly Disney tends to ignore about 90 percent of the Star Wars franchise as it is.

Mel

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Group: pota	Message: 76712	From: mlccougar	Date: 12/18/2017
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.html.htmlThat's probably because "90%" of the stuff is expanded universe stuff, which while it's popular with die-hard fans, the general public probably doesn't care too much about it... Disney wants rears in the theater seats, and they know the way to do that is with the existing (famous) film series...

When Disney bought the Star Wars franchise, did they buy the rights to absolutely everything covered by the name? If they only bought the rights to the films, it's no wonder they aren't doing anything with the expanded universe stuff... Plus, they've only had the ownership of SW for a few years, and they're going to want to start recouping their investment ASAP, so of course they're going to go with the things they know will make $$$-Give them time to start go outside of the box a little.

In a message dated 12/18/2017 12:40:54 AM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Sadly Disney tends to ignore about 90 percent of the Star Wars franchise as it is.

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Group: pota	Message: 76713	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/19/2017
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Disney owns everything Star Wars, and Indiana Jones, which has a new movie coming in 2019 (starring the one and only Harrison Ford). Prob the last time.

And they own POTA … on topic!

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Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 2:38 PM
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That's probably because "90%" of the stuff is expanded universe stuff, which while it's popular with die-hard fans, the general public probably doesn't care too much about it... Disney wants rears in the theater seats, and they know the way to do that is with the existing (famous) film series...

When Disney bought the Star Wars franchise, did they buy the rights to absolutely everything covered by the name? If they only bought the rights to the films, it's no wonder they aren't doing anything with the expanded universe stuff... Plus, they've only had the ownership of SW for a few years, and they're going to want to start recouping their investment ASAP, so of course they're going to go with the things they know will make $$$-Give them time to start go outside of the box a little.

In a message dated 12/18/2017 12:40:54 AM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Sadly Disney tends to ignore about 90 percent of the Star Wars franchise as it is.

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Group: pota	Message: 76714	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/19/2017
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It would be potentially analytically helpful to know if there's any sort of precedent in Hollywood for one film company to devour another, only to divest / liquidate / peddle one or more of the consequently acquired movie franchises later on. Do movie franchises even last long enough, and generate enough, to get acquired unless George Lucas owns it?

My guess is that some of the comic book character franchises might have been subsequently sold even as a company's general holdings have remained with the acquirer.

I hope it wasn't Disney that was responsible for wearing out Stargate's welcome through television series creations. I don't want that happening to Planet of the Apes.

At any rate, don't we have much to be thankful for already? 20 years ago, our beloved franchise was collecting so much dust it may as well have been submerged along with apocalyptic subterranean Manhattan. Those well-done 4 blockbusters that have since been released have led to the digitization revival and proliferation of the initial 5, plus the two series too. Meanwhile, games... and at least in 2001...toys. And the television series with Virdon and Burke got a new soundtrack released not too long ago that might have otherwise been left to vanish, like the soundtrack of the movie Land that Time Forgot (1974ish) reportedly did. That had talking (sort of) apes too (Bulu and Gailu were very primitive humans).

Perhaps Ted Turner will purchase the Apes franchise?

Season's greetings from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76715	From: George Taylor	Date: 12/23/2017
Subject: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

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Wouldn't it be refreshing if Santa gave us all a lengthy loop (lasting at least an hour, if not several) of part of Mr. Goldsmith's soundtrack from the original Planet of the Apes? The Revelation, part 2 comes to mind, particularly the soothing yet potentially intense part from 1:53 to : 2:55 in the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw89AHNrfZU&index=1&list=PLhskyVlMhkklC5nIUR66uPDSmcH7gaz4X

In the classic movie, that segment includes Taylor's and Nova's enjoying the oceanside view on horseback, while smiling and more.

If only it was easy to make something like that so that it could be uploaded to Youtube.. I, for one, would listen to it for hours. Perhaps you would too.

Season's greetings to all, from Houston... :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 76716	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/23/2017
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We should all be listening to "When You Wish Upon A Star" and welcoming our new masters.
Get on that!

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From: George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:19 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw89AHNrfZU&index=1&list=PLhskyVlMhkklC5nIUR66uPDSmcH7gaz4X

In the classic movie, that segment includes Taylor's and Nova's enjoying the oceanside view on horseback, while smiling and more.

If only it was easy to make something like that so that it could be uploaded to Youtube.. I, for one, would listen to it for hours. Perhaps you would too.

Season's greetings to all, from Houston... :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 76717	From: Zachary Scott	Date: 12/24/2017
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Merry Christmas to all of my Apester friends!

Zach

In a message dated 12/23/2017 1:45:03 PM Central Standard Time, pota@yahoogroups.com writes:

Wouldn't it be refreshing if Santa gave us all a lengthy loop (lasting at least an hour, if not several) of part of Mr. Goldsmith's soundtrack from the original Planet of the Apes? The Revelation, part 2 comes to mind, particularly the soothing yet potentially intense part from 1:53 to : 2:55 in the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw89AHNrfZU&index=1&list=PLhskyVlMhkklC5nIUR66uPDSmcH7gaz4X

In the classic movie, that segment includes Taylor's and Nova's enjoying the oceanside view on horseback, while smiling and more.

If only it was easy to make something like that so that it could be uploaded to Youtube.. I, for one, would listen to it for hours. Perhaps you would too.

Season's greetings to all, from Houston... :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 76718	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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In whichever early version of the screenplay I own (and I'm entirely too lazy to go dig it out). My point was that the things (pay phone, 20th Century landmarks) people often site as proof of this timeline or that timeline WERE NOT PRESENT in the early versions of the story. So there was an attempt initially to have the overall timeline make some type of consistent sense, but the practical matters of preproduction, actual production, and even post-production interfered to an extent. I really hate referring to early/unused screenplays to support ANYTHING, but did so in my previous post just to illustrate that Dehn was making an effort to have the whole thing make sense. Mendez dynasty portraits and the first one is dated 1997, the city was supposed to be buried in "the nuclear war of 1990" etc etc- so what? It wasn't used. End of argument. Especially when Dehn set CONQUEST in 1991.

Generally speaking, I've always said that whatever was written in a screenplay but never actually filmed doesn't count towards establishing any kind of timeline one way or the other. Regardless if if's the initial treatment or final shooting script, you can only go by what's on screen because that's what was offered to the general public. Yes I know Dehn once said it's intended to be a time loop, but what he himself subsequently wrote into the sequels contradicts that statement.

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>What version of BENEATH is that? <<

I wrote:

>>Brent didn't find out he was back on Earth until he was being

interrogated by the Mutants and they told him. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76719	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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According to **your** opinion which- along with $1- will buy something off of the McDonald's $1 menu. Plenty of people like it, so it can't be that you're right in hating it and everyone else is wrong for liking it.

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>Because it's an unnecessary, ill-conceived, badly scripted and

directed pile of cinematic junk, that's way. <<

I wrote:

>>I've never understood how you can both make disdainful comments

towards humanity in general (see below, plus there's been other occasions in the past) yet still dislike BENEATH as much as you do. If ever there was an allegorical story about how mankind- and higher intelligence in general- is always doomed to destroy itself, BENEATH is it. And yes, even moreso than PLANET. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76720	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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One thing that I've always felt was forgotten by a lot of people who make the comment about the first half of BENEATH being a rehash of PLANET is that the story is primarily told from Brent's point of view. As such, he's going to have to go through a lot of the same things that Taylor did because **that's** what would happen to a character under those circumstances. What makes it different for Brent is that he literally sees (and travels through) the ruins of his own civilization as opposed to Taylor who saw a symbol of his own civilization- destroyed- which in and of itself is a symbol of the totality of said destruction.

Chris L.

Jeff K. wrote:

>>I get the love for Beneath and its epic story. I love the second

half. But the first half is a poor mans version of the original and thats what lowers it for me. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76721	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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So when- specifically- did Jacobs instruct Dehn to do that? More to the point, if Dehn forgot to include said information in the script, why didn't Jacobs ask for a rewrite? And Jacobs hiring Dehn to write the sequels still doesn't explain why such information wasn't deemed necessary for the original (and at that time, only) Planet of the Apes film. Why wouldn't that be relevant information to include in the original story?

Chris L.

jamesa1102 wrote:

>>Well it falls to Paul Dehn because Arthur Jacobs hired him to write

the sequels. <<

I wrote:

>>But if Schaffner, Wilson, and Serling didn't bother to explain, how

does it fall to Paul Dehn all of a sudden? And why do the directors of the sequels get a pass? <<

haristas wrote:

>>If you look at the original PLANET OF THE

APES movies and come away
from it thinking that a nuclear holocaust and only that somehow magically
jumped simian evolution -- then I contend you look at the thing with a
still adolescent mentality, and to an incredible degree this is what is
the problem with Reeves. He's no Franklin J. Schaffner, and Mark Bomback
is no Michael Wilson much less Rod Serling. And it was a huge failing
with Paul Dehn that he never bothered to explain how the apes suddenly
became super-intelligent and able to talk -- they just did. That's the
main reason I don't like the sequels -- they're truly half-baked. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76722	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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Yeah but that came out in 1985, so- you know- cocaine and all that...

Chris L.

skintricks wrote:

>>Didn't anybody see Return to Oz? That was a dark, creepy Disney

movie. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76723	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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Just the other night while on You Tube, I came across an instrumental song from the mid-70's- originally just under ten minutes in length- which had been looped into running for over an hour. It can be done.

Chris L.

georgetaylor68 wrote:

>>Wouldn't it be refreshing if Santa gave us all a lengthy loop

(lasting at least an hour, if not several) of part of Mr. Goldsmith's soundtrack from the original Planet of the Apes? The Revelation, part 2 comes to mind, particularly the soothing yet potentially intense part from 1:53 to : 2:55 in the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw89AHNrfZU&index=1&list=PLhskyVlMhkklC5nIUR66uPDSmcH7gaz4X

In the classic movie, that segment includes Taylor's and Nova's enjoying the oceanside view on horseback, while smiling and more.
If only it was easy to make something like that so that it could be uploaded to Youtube. I, for one, would listen to it for hours. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76724	From: totellthetruth42	Date: 12/25/2017
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I doubt their motivations were given serious thought. BENEATH was successful, Dehn received the oft-mentioned "Apes live. Sequel required" telegram, and he went to work coming up with a story that would work considering the corner they had just painted themselves into. Chris L. ____________________________________________________________

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Group: pota	Message: 76725	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
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According to **your** opinion which- along with $1- will buy something off of the McDonald's $1 menu. Plenty of people like it, so it can't be that you're right in hating it and everyone else is wrong for liking it.

Chris L.

That would only be true if indeed you were correct, which of course, you're not! If you wanted to enslave yourself to the opinions of the majority in regards to the artistic worth of motion pictures, then I refer you to the comments section of the Internet Movie Database, or IMBD.com. There you will find in regards to the film BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES that the vast majority of opinion is that the movie is quite "stinky." Of course, this is not the basis of my own personal opinion of the movie, which originates in my first viewing of it in June 1970, but rather just confirms that my generally low opinion of BENEATH's lack of artistic merit has a very firm foundation in that of the majority opinion of many other human beings that have bothered to give it, at least on that website. I would also refer you to most of what has been written about BENEATH in books and magazine's over the last forty-eight years since its release. Sure, you will find some that have praised the film or at least aspects of it, but they are in the minority, not that I weigh any of that over my own ability to judge such matters.

But as to your opinion of BENEATH... I judge it hopelessly adolescent. It hasn't developed much since you first saw the film as a child, and therefore I consider your opinion of BENEATH has rather intellectually retarded.

haristas wrote:

>>Because it's an unnecessary, ill-conceived, badly scripted and directed pile of cinematic junk, that's way. <<

I wrote:

>>I've never understood how you can both make disdainful comments towards humanity in general (see below, plus there's been other occasions in the past) yet still dislike BENEATH as much as you do. If ever there was an allegorical story about how mankind- and higher intelligence in general- is always doomed to destroy itself, BENEATH is it. And yes, even moreso than PLANET. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76726	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
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What's in the early drafts of the screenplays, in the end, mean nothing. It's only what's in the final, edited film that matters. Going back to the early drafts to argue anything is a kind of anal retentive intellectualism that's quite amusing but ultimately meaningless.

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Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone haristas wrote:

Generally speaking, I've always said that whatever was written in a screenplay but never actually filmed doesn't count towards establishing any kind of timeline one way or the other.. Regardless if if's the initial treatment or final shooting script, you can only go by what's on screen because that's what was offered to the general public. Yes I know Dehn once said it's intended to be a time loop, but what he himself subsequently wrote into the sequels contradicts that statement.

Chris L.

haristas wrote:

>>What version of BENEATH is that? <<

I wrote:

>>Brent didn't find out he was back on Earth until he was being interrogated by the Mutants and they told him. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76727	From: haristas	Date: 12/25/2017
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When is it going to be remembered here -- when it should be common knowledge -- that the producers -- the day to day line producers -- of PLANET and BENEATH were Mort Abrahams, and for ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE, Frank Capra Jr.? Arthur Jacobs was the executive producer and we have no idea just how in the weeds he was with the screenplays other than in what was said to him by the two producers. Jacobs was more probably just interested in a general knowledge of things as they developed and in the final version of things once production started.

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From: lawford42@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 25, 2017 4:33 am
Subject: [pota] Re: Life in a "War" zone

Chris L.

jamesa1102 wrote:

>>Well it falls to Paul Dehn because Arthur Jacobs hired him to write the sequels. <<

I wrote:

>>But if Schaffner, Wilson, and Serling didn't bother to explain, how does it fall to Paul Dehn all of a sudden? And why do the directors of the sequels get a pass? <<

haristas wrote:

>>If you look at the original PLANET OF THE APES movies and come away

from it thinking that a nuclear holocaust and only that somehow magically
jumped simian evolution -- then I contend you look at the thing with a
still adolescent mentality, and to an incredible degree this is what is
the problem with Reeves. He's no Franklin J. Schaffner, and Mark Bomback
is no Michael Wilson much less Rod Serling. And it was a huge failing
with Paul Dehn that he never bothered to explain how the apes suddenly
became super-intelligent and able to talk -- they just did. That's the
main reason I don't like the sequels -- they're truly half-baked. <<

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Group: pota	Message: 76728	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 12/26/2017
Subject: Re: My request of Santa regarding Planet of the Apes

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You're right! :-)

Meanwhile, I derive similar solace from this very lengthy track which is related to the aforementioned music clip that I'd like to see looped:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f77SKdyn-1Y&list=PLhskyVlMhkklC5nIUR66uPDSmcH7gaz4X&index=2

Hopefully it opens successfully for you? BTW, hey what's that statuesque figure up there ahead? ;-)

Season's greetings from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76729	From: haristas	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: POTA Blu-rays again?

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Someone noticed this photo on the DeepDiscountDVD website for a February release.

I have a bad feeling it's just another repackaging.

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Group: pota	Message: 76730	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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On 12/29/2017 1:59 PM, Haristas@... [pota] wrote:

Someone noticed this photo on the DeepDiscountDVD website for a February release.

I have a bad feeling it's just another repackaging.

Probably---a repackaging to include the Digital HD codes. This is the art for the streaming movie on Amazon.

This art was posted on Facebook by the Planet of the Apes page on October 4. It was one of three artworks for which they were soliciting opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/ApesMovies/posts/1425522867495962

There were rules for voting:

http://www.foxcontests.com/planet-of-the-apes/fan-voting-terms.pdf

From the PDF:

As further detailed herein, participants in this Program may vote for their favorite of three pieces provided by Fox as described herein (each, a "POA Artwork") to potentially be the visible cover artwork of certain units determined by Fox of the initial 50th Anniversary DVD/Blu-ray/digital release of the beloved film, "The Planet of the Apes (1968) " in the United States and Canada (the "Release"). If used as the visible cover artwork, the winning POA Artwork will be a single sheet that the purchaser can remove, revealing additional Release cover artwork underneath.

Sounds like a simple (cheap) repackaging to me....

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76731	From: Dario Sciola	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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So the contest was just a vote to select the final artwork. No prizes, right? And they had lawyers draw up a 3 page agreement for this contest.

Please tell me I'm missing something.

And yes, this just sounds like a repackaging.

February, the official 50th anniversary is just around the corner. If they were going to make a splash we would have heard by now. Looks and sounds like same old, same old.

Dario

On Dec 29, 2017, at 3:47 PM, Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 12/29/2017 1:59 PM, Haristas@... [pota] wrote:

Someone noticed this photo on the DeepDiscountDVD website for a February release.

I have a bad feeling it's just another repackaging.

Probably---a repackaging to include the Digital HD codes. This is the art for the streaming movie on Amazon.

This art was posted on Facebook by the Planet of the Apes page on October 4. It was one of three artworks for which they were soliciting opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/ApesMovies/posts/1425522867495962

There were rules for voting:

http://www.foxcontests.com/planet-of-the-apes/fan-voting-terms.pdf

From the PDF:

As further detailed herein, participants in this Program may vote for their favorite of three pieces provided by Fox as described herein (each, a "POA Artwork") to potentially be the visible cover artwork of certain units determined by Fox of the initial 50th Anniversary DVD/Blu-ray/digital release of the beloved film, "The Planet of the Apes (1968) " in the United States and Canada (the "Release"). If used as the visible cover artwork, the winning POA Artwork will be a single sheet that the purchaser can remove, revealing additional Release cover artwork underneath.

Sounds like a simple (cheap) repackaging to me....

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76732	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 12/29/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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On 12/29/2017 6:38 PM, Dario Sciola dario.sciola@... [pota] wrote:

So the contest was just a vote to select the final artwork. No prizes, right? And they had lawyers draw up a 3 page agreement for this contest.

Please tell me I'm missing something.

If you're missing something, so am I. That's exactly how it appears to me. Crazy!

And yes, this just sounds like a repackaging.

February, the official 50th anniversary is just around the corner. If they were going to make a splash we would have heard by now. Looks and sounds like same old, same old.

They're calling this the Anniversary Edition.

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Group: pota	Message: 76733	From: haristas	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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This is a strange. Usually, Fox never gets these anniversary editions out on schedule, but this is supposed to come out on February 6, 2018, just two days shy of PLANET's 50th. It's already for pre-order on Amazon and is currently discounted at $16.99. That's a high price for a re-packaging, and note that the PDF quote says, "the initial 50th Anniversary DVD/Blu-ray/digital release." Does that mean there will be more?

https://www.amazon.com/Planet-of-the-Apes-Blu-ray/dp/B0788XVVC6?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&tag=bluray-012-20&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B0788XVVC6&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Now, this may be a remastering, especially after someone at Blu-ray.com posted this link in a POTA thread some time ago. This is from last March.

http://www.mtifilm.com/news/2017/3/6/mti-restoration-escape-from-planet-of-apes

If ESCAPE has gotten a 4K restoration there's little doubt PLANET and the others have, too, but we'll see.

I can't believe among those three samples for the cover they were going to do another with the Statue of Liberty in view. I think the right choice was made, though I would prefer Dr. Zaius.

Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 29, 2017 4:26 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] POTA Blu-rays again?

On 12/29/2017 1:59 PM, Haristas@... [pota] wrote:

Someone noticed this photo on the DeepDiscountDVD website for a February release.

I have a bad feeling it's just another repackaging.

Probably---a repackaging to include the Digital HD codes. This is the art for the streaming movie on Amazon.

This art was posted on Facebook by the Planet of the Apes page on October 4. It was one of three artworks for which they were soliciting opinions.

https://www.facebook.com/ApesMovies/posts/1425522867495962

There were rules for voting:

http://www.foxcontests.com/planet-of-the-apes/fan-voting-terms.pdf

From the PDF:

As further detailed herein, participants in this Program may vote for their favorite of three pieces provided by Fox as described herein (each, a "POA Artwork") to potentially be the visible cover artwork of certain units determined by Fox of the initial 50th Anniversary DVD/Blu-ray/digital release of the beloved film, "The Planet of the Apes (1968) " in the United States and Canada (the "Release"). If used as the visible cover artwork, the winning POA Artwork will be a single sheet that the purchaser can remove, revealing additional Release cover artwork underneath.

Sounds like a simple (cheap) repackaging to me....

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76734	From: haristas	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: More info on ESCAPE restoration

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Here's a news item that was on the MTI website back in April:

http://www.mtifilm.com/news/2017/4/10/mti-film-delivers-a-great-escape

Interesting that it says, "including DCP and UHD masters for planned broadcast and home entertainment release."

What's strange is there is no mention of any other APES film getting the same treatment.

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Group: pota	Message: 76735	From: Jeff K.	Date: 12/30/2017
Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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I like it. It has a '60's psychedelic look that fits with a 50^th anniversary release.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 11:59 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] POTA Blu-rays again?

Someone noticed this photo on the DeepDiscountDVD website for a February release.

I have a bad feeling it's just another repackaging.

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Subject: Re: POTA Blu-rays again?

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At least all the images were created from photos actually from PLANET and not one of the sequels. That's a change.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 30, 2017 8:18 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] POTA Blu-rays again? [2 Attachments]

I like it. It has a '60's psychedelic look that fits with a 50^th anniversary release.

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Group: pota	Message: 76737	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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Although there's another big sci-fi anniversary this year, gotta give props to what's considered the first science fiction story. "Frankenstein" wuz first published 200 years ago today (1/1/1818). Yep, Thomas Jefferson was still alive.

Of course it might be just another forgotten book if not for the Boris Karloff movies (would POTA be any different? Er, not that Karloff was in POTA, I didn't mean that). But it's amazing that the first sci-fi story is still one of the most famous.

So happy birthday, Frankie. You've certainly given me my share of enjoyment.

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Group: pota	Message: 76738	From: haristas	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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I watched the 4K restored Blu-ray of the '31 Karloff FRANKENSTEIN just a couple nights ago. One of my favorite movies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 1, 2018 1:55 pm
Subject: [pota] OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

So happy birthday, Frankie. You've certainly given me my share of enjoyment.

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Group: pota	Message: 76739	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, January 1, 2018 11:19 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

I watched the 4K restored Blu-ray of the '31 Karloff FRANKENSTEIN just a couple nights ago. One of my favorite movies.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 1, 2018 1:55 pm
Subject: [pota] OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

So happy birthday, Frankie. You've certainly given me my share of enjoyment.

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Group: pota	Message: 76740	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/1/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76741	From: haristas	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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I don't like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I don't think Branagh had a good script and didn't get the atmosphere, mood, and tone right. I like the old Gothic tone of the original, which is very much a part of the black & white look of the '31 version and its sequel BRIDE. Branagh went over the top too often, and Robert DeNiro was miscast.

-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 1, 2018 9:40 pm
Subject: Re: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76742	From: Dario	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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I remember the '73 TV miniseries. It attempted to have a more realistic "Monster" and I really enjoyed it at the time. I wonder if it holds up after all these years.

Dario

On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:11 PM, "Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76743	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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On 1/2/2018 11:28 AM, Haristas@... [pota] wrote:

I don't like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I don't think Branagh had a good script and didn't get the atmosphere, mood, and tone right.

It's definitely a very visually over-the-top film.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76744	From: George Taylor	Date: 1/2/2018
Subject: POTA's gettin' loved even half a century later... (Houston Chronicle

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POTA's gettin' loved even half a century later, as this new Houston Chronicle coverage (which is probably replicated in the San Fran. Chronicle, too) shows:

http://www.chron.com/life/article/PHOTOS-Life-in-1968-America-s-most-defining-year-12434383.php?ipid=hpctp#photo-14707986

Happy 2018 from Houston! :-)

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Group: pota	Message: 76745	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/4/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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" I don't like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I don't like it, Sam I Am. "

I love the Universal Frankenstein/monster movies. I think most of us learned the story from them.

What I love about "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" is that it's intelligent about the science of the time.

It's like someone doing a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA. That wouldn't take away from the original movies.

I admit (having watched it the other night) that Branagh's direction is over the top (painfully so at times). I don't know the reason for that. But I can assume. Long before it became a movie "Frankenstein" was a hot property on stage (1800's). Those stage productions were very over the top. So maybe he was channeling that. Branagh is a stage guy; he's best known as a director of Shakespearean movies (though to be honest, he's recently gone beyond that as a director of a wide range of popular movies, from "Thor" to "Cinderella" to "Murder on the Orient Express"). His main composer over the years is Patrick "Rise" Doyle.

So I accept the over the top stuff as his directorial prerogative. Beyond that, I think it's a fascinating movie. It doesn't take away from the Boris Karloff stuff, it's an interesting look at the times in which Mary Shelley created the story. And it's damn epic.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.
Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76746	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/4/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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I've never seen that but I did watch the Frankenstein history doc "It's Alive" and Jane Seymour, who played a character created for the TV movie, said it wasn't a total recreation of the book.

Neither does "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", though it does try (and it's incredibly epic). If "Frankenstein" is the original sci-fi story then I think MS's Frankenstein is a nice postcard from that era. It doesn't please book purists or Karloff purists but I think it's an interesting take.

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From: Dario dario.sciola@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:49 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

I remember the '73 TV miniseries. It attempted to have a more realistic "Monster" and I really enjoyed it at the time. I wonder if it holds up after all these years.

Dario

On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:11 PM, "Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.
Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76747	From: haristas	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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Branagh's direction was too "theatrical" you mean. I thought the creation scene was especially too much, with a shirtless Branagh jumping all over the place. Also, he basically constructs Robert DeNiro with just some scars on his face. No more monstrous than one of DeNiro's mobster characters. Karloff's Monster was nothing like Karloff. And you felt sorry for Karloff's monster. I don't remember feeling anything for the DeNiro creature. Also, the bride stuff at the end with that girl from POTA2001 was pretty silly.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 4, 2018 6:23 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

" I don't like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein. I don't like it, Sam I Am. "

I love the Universal Frankenstein/monster movies. I think most of us learned the story from them.

What I love about "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" is that it's intelligent about the science of the time.

It's like someone doing a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA. That wouldn't take away from the original movies.

I admit (having watched it the other night) that Branagh's direction is over the top (painfully so at times). I don't know the reason for that. But I can assume.. Long before it became a movie "Frankenstein" was a hot property on stage (1800's). Those stage productions were very over the top. So maybe he was channeling that. Branagh is a stage guy; he's best known as a director of Shakespearean movies (though to be honest, he's recently gone beyond that as a director of a wide range of popular movies, from "Thor" to "Cinderella" to "Murder on the Orient Express"). His main composer over the years is Patrick "Rise" Doyle.

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From: Haristas@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:28 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76748	From: haristas	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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There's been no adaptation of FRANKENSTEIN, just as with DRACULA or POTA, that's been really faithful to the book. In the book, Frankenstein destroys the bride before he even brings her to life.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] <pota@yahoogroups.com>
To: pota <pota@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 4, 2018 10:36 pm
Subject: RE: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

I've never seen that but I did watch the Frankenstein history doc "It's Alive" and Jane Seymour, who played a character created for the TV movie, said it wasn't a total recreation of the book.

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From: Dario dario.sciola@... [pota]
Sent: Tuesday, January 2, 2018 9:49 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

I remember the '73 TV miniseries. It attempted to have a more realistic "Monster" and I really enjoyed it at the time. I wonder if it holds up after all these years.

Dario

On Jan 1, 2018, at 9:11 PM, "Hunter Goatley goathunter@... [pota]" <pota@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 1/1/2018 4:32 PM, Jeff K. veetus@... [pota] wrote:

Lest we forget, Arthur Jacobs tried to do a film based on the novel but it didn't happen (nor his version of another sci-fi classic, "Dune"). In the end Kenneth Branagh did "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein", with music by Patrick "Rise of the POTA" Doyle.

Most people don't like it, I dig it and will watch it tonight along with the doc "It's Alive! The True Story of Frankenstein".

I like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein more now than I did when I first saw it.

I have 1973's Frankenstein: The True Story, but haven't had/made the time to watch it yet.

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76749	From: pota-owner@yahoogroups.com	Date: 1/5/2018
Subject: Re: OT: "Frankenstein" bicentennial

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Note that the Group Guidelines state the following:

Please remember the purpose of the group is to discuss Planet of the Apes. If you wish to discuss politics or Star Trek or something else, there are sites designed for those topics. All topics should be relatable back to Planet of the Apes. News of POTA alumni is always welcome but long reviews & discussions of Patton or Marky Mark's latest film may be over the line. Please keep Off Topic posts brief and remember to put (OT) in the subject line.

While we try to be tolerant regarding OT posts, when they turn into major discussions it is clear that our good will is being abused.

No further posts on this topic will be approved and it is suggested that anyone who wishes to continue it find the proper group or site to do so.

Thank you.

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Group: pota	Message: 76750	From: James	Date: 1/6/2018
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

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"planet of the apes"

Daily update ⋅ January 6, 2018

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Review: PLANET OF THE APES: URSUS #1

Comicosity

Without the long narrative gap between films that has led to thousands of Star Wars stories fitting between episodes 4 and 5, Planet of the Apes (POTA) has frequently mined side stories that overlap the comparatively short timeline of the original 1968 film and Beneath the Planet of the Apes. This time ...

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King Kong Joins The Planet of The Apes in New Comic

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Finally, the Planet of the Apes and King Kong himself are joining forces in a comic series of their own.. In hindsight, it seems like a team-up too brilliant to have never been pulled off before. But just like the other great pairings in the realm of Hollywood legends – De Niro and Pacino, DiCaprio and Damon, ...

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Group: pota	Message: 76751	From: George Taylor	Date: 1/7/2018
Subject: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own streaming

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"Disney is pulling its movies from Netflix and plans its own streaming service in 2019."

https://nypost.com/2018/01/05/cable-tv-prices-keep-going-up-as-more-people-cut-the-cord/__

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Does this mean RedBox.com's audience will no longer see the older POTA movies in its ensemble? How about Amazon's? Etc.

I'm not sure I'm liking this. Are you?

Happy 2018 from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76752	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/8/2018
Subject: Re: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own stream

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Yeah, that's why Disney bought Fox, more content for their streaming service. The future of movies is the phone.

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From: George Taylor georgetaylor68@... [pota]
Sent: Saturday, January 6, 2018 9:56 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own streaming service in 2019

"Disney is pulling its movies from Netflix and plans its own streaming service in 2019."

I'm not sure I'm liking this. Are you?

Happy 2018 from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76753	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 1/10/2018
Subject: Re: Disney to pull its movies from Netflix and launch its own stream

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My concern is that POTA will consequently get less promotion and exposure. :-( Amazon's a Disney competitor, but wasn't in competition with Fox. Same goes for Netflix. And Youtube. Etc.

Will the need to promote the franchise despite the upcoming exposure malaise prod Disney to create more prequels and / or sequels? We shall see. But I'm so tired of seeing trailers about so-called superhero movies that I hope Disney will catch on, and these other studios too. Our younger generations aren't developing much if any inspiration from such so-called heroes.

Happy 2018 from Houston...

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Group: pota	Message: 76754	From: Hunter Goatley	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

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.html Thanks to Harry Barnes, high-res scans of Romanian lobby cards for Conquest of the Planet of the Apes have been added to my site.

Also thanks to Harry, a high-res scan of the last French lobby card for Conquest has been added, too. High-res scans of all of the French lobby cards are now available.

https://pota.goatley.com/

Look for more contributions from Harry as soon as I make the time to add them!

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76755	From: jamesa1102	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

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Thanks Hunter!

---In pota@yahoogroups.com, <goathunter@...> wrote :

Thanks to Harry Barnes, high-res scans of Romanian lobby cards for Conquest of the Planet of the Apes have been added to my site.

Also thanks to Harry, a high-res scan of the last French lobby card for Conquest has been added, too. High-res scans of all of the French lobby cards are now available.

https://pota.goatley.com/

Look for more contributions from Harry as soon as I make the time to add them!

Hunter

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Group: pota	Message: 76756	From: haristas	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

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Romanian? I guess they couldn't afford color. Actually, I'm surprised the movie even played there. It was kind of a sneak preview of what was to come for old what's his name..

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Sent: Thu, Jan 11, 2018 1:26 am
Subject: [pota] Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

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Group: pota	Message: 76757	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/11/2018
Subject: Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

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Please note: Although the Roman Empire was an important part of history, there are many places on the internet to talk about it. This group is to talk for "Planet of the Apes" only. Thank you.

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From: JamesA1102@... [pota]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 3:16 AM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] Re: Romanian lobby cards for Conquest

Thanks Hunter!

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Group: pota	Message: 76758	From: James	Date: 1/13/2018
Subject: FW: Google Alert - "planet of the apes"

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"planet of the apes"

Daily update ⋅ January 12, 2018

NEWS

Memo to the academy: Movies that deserve Oscars that won't get them

Conway Daily Sun

Unfortunately, "Split" is at the disadvantage of not only being a horror film, but at having been released last January, as the academy has a notoriously short memory. The sci-fi genre also had solid entries in 2017 with "War for the Planet of the Apes," "Blade Runner 2049" and "Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

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1968 was year of turmoil, much like now

San Francisco Chronicle

Then: "Planet of the Apes": The 1968 film postulated the self-destruction of human civilization as a calamity of infinite horror. Now: "War for the Planet of the Apes ": The recent update presented the destruction of human civilization as, on balance, a fairly good idea. Then: M Rating. The original rating in ...

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Group: pota	Message: 76759	From: Terry Hoknes	Date: 1/17/2018
Subject: KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)

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KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)
The recent talk of rarity of POTA variant comic book covers got me thinking I would show another example of just how rare comics are these days.
The sales for North America were a total of 10,600 copies across 5 different covers. It appears that 2 of the 5 covers were "ratio covers" This means that stores were only allowed to order 1 copy for every 30 regular cover copies they ordered. So some rough math estimates that its likely that only 100 copies were printed of each of those 2 rare variant covers. The majority of the orders will be Cover A (the regular cover) so lets assume approx 6,200 copies of A, 2,000 copies of B, 2,000 copies of C and 100 copies of each of cover D and cover E. There has been no hype for these covers so they have not really sold in the collectors market and can still be had for cheap prices. But thats cause POTA comics never seem to heat up. Retailers order basically the safe amount that they can sell so no reason for supply vs demand to drive prices up. Which also shows how small the POTA collector market is in general that there is not 100 collectors on Earth that likely want to own the rare variants so they just sit on ebay waiting for a buyer. But note there is only ONE copy of each of the 2 rare covers listed on ebay. So the rarity is proven and if just 2 people would want those covers the price could be driven up.

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Group: pota	Message: 76760	From: Jeff K.	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Re: KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)

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Comic books are past history!

Terry: Not while I live and breathe.

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From: Terry Hoknes hoknes@... [pota]
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2018 11:32 PM
To: pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [pota] KONG ON THE PLANET OF THE APES #1 (Nov 2017)

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Group: pota	Message: 76761	From: georgetaylor68	Date: 1/18/2018
Subject: Disney's movies for 2018 leave much to be desired. More Apes someda

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Disney's movies for 2018 leave much to be desired:

http://www.chron.com/entertainment/movies/article/These-are-the-10-Disney-movies-coming-out-in-2018-12507057.php?ipid=hpctp

Now that Disney's acquiring Fox (films), maybe more Apes movies and other shows of substance are in store?

Admittedly though, I'm of the school of thought that it's better to rest on our franchise laurels than to wear out its welcome with mediocrity.

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