Again, while sorting through my collection, I came across a few different
versions of the paperback release of PLANET. It seems that when the film
was out, there was a version released by Signet (with a cover price of 60
cents) that featured a photo of a Gorilla Soldier on the cover with the
three astronauts in the lower right hand corner. The text on the front
cover read (in red ink) "Now an exciting 20th Century Fox Motion
Picture". The back cover had a picture of Taylor & Nova in the cage, and
the movie credits were printed (again in red ink) on the left side. Fro
some strange reason, both human photos (front & back) had this weird sky
blue border/trim around them.

I have another version with the same layout, but all the film
blurbs/credits are missing, and the cover price is 95 cents (presumably
this was a later edition). The cover doesn't even have the "Bridge Over
the River Kwai" mention, nor any review pull quotes.

Then there's a third version that seems to predate the film because it
has a completely different cover with just a drawing of an apes face. But
this one has the "Bridge Over..." pull quote. So, does anyone have any
idea how many different paperback versions of the original novel were
released in the U.S.? I know of at least one more that featured a drawing
of that shot of Ursus we always see where he's on horseback and has his
pistol drawn, pointing upwards.

I doubt I'd ever try collecting a copy of every different printing, but
I'd be curious to know how many there are. One of the copies I have (with
the film credits) mentions that it's the twelfth printing, so they had to
be doing OK with that title for quite some time. Anyone know if it's
currently in print?


Chris L.

I think it's the same outfit but faded. When it's lighter green probably
those scenes were filmed later. It's definitely lighter in "Escape'. - - -
Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "libraryape" <Willowape@...>


> To add to Dr. Zaiz's woredrobe cotroversy, I (after watching the
> movies over and over) noticed Zira wears two different outfits.
> Although they appear the same, one appears to be a faded green, the
> other a more crisp - newer green. The lighter outfit is worn when she
> is working while the brighter, much newer one, she wears outside work
> or to special occasions or to the tribunal. When Zira is killed, she
> is wearing her faded green outfit. Am I wrong???
>
> Wendy
>

"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

> It was a GAG article!
>
> It got me good, and quite a few others.

I prefer to think of it as a very original piece of fan fiction.

Alan

"libraryape" <Willowape@... > wrote:

> One soundtrack the article failed to mention is "Congo". Because

the

> movie was poorly done, Jerry's music is far from falling short. In
> fact, it's excellent. In regard to Jerry's style, there are pieces
> in "Congo" that sounds very much like "Escape".

I thought Congo was one of Jerry's better scores of recent years (and
the film was a fun no-brainer - but I'm a sucker for lost world
movies).

I've not really got much to add to the comments so far as they seem to
have all summed up my own feelings - we've lost a few big PotA names
in recent years but this is the one that has bothered me most. Still,
I did get to see him in concert a few years back, which is still a
vivid memory and now even more treasured.

The music in my CD player this week has been PotA, The Illustrated
Man, Logan's Run, Take a Hard Ride and the compilation "Frontiers".
Brilliant stuff.

Alan

"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>
> You need to do an eBay search buddy.
>
> There's a guy on there trying to get a bid of $3.99 for issue #37

(August

> 2004).

Have you contacted the seller? What's his story? And is it Terry?

Alan

"Chris Lawless" < lawford42@...> wrote:

> ...And man, did I
> end up with a lot of duplicate issues that I don't need.

Keep 'em - once the next issue of Scrolls comes out, I'll win over the
whole of Ape fandom and people will be queuing up to complete their
collection!

> APE NATION (POTA/ALIEN NATION crossover)
> #1- 1 (limited edition)

Which limited edition is this? I think there were actually three,
although two of them seem to be rarer.

> * Any copies of the first regular issues of the Adventure Comics

series

> with the colored foldovers (other than neon green, yellow, or pink

The three colours you've listed are all that were available.

> * A copy of the POTA book the guy from South America wrote (Luis

Adami,

> was it?)

"The Only Good Human is a Dead Human" as the title translates into
English. I've got a copy, but I'm afraid it's a keeper (it sits nicely
next to a Spanish PotA book I've got)!

Alan

I've noticed that, too...But, I know they used two different film
developing companies/techniques to give a variety of looks, either
indoor or outdoor...That might be why her outfit looks different
colors...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "libraryape" <Willowape@h...> wrote:
> To add to Dr. Zaiz's woredrobe cotroversy, I (after watching the
> movies over and over) noticed Zira wears two different outfits.
> Although they appear the same, one appears to be a faded green, the
> other a more crisp - newer green. The lighter outfit is worn when
she
> is working while the brighter, much newer one, she wears outside
work
> or to special occasions or to the tribunal. When Zira is killed,
she
> is wearing her faded green outfit. Am I wrong???
>
> Wendy

My friends call me Michael...;)

Whitty

-----Original Message-----
From: taebokitti@... [taebokitti@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow toys


Sideshow should make an action figure of Michael since he is in one of my
stories. Elaine

I actually contacted them and asked if they wanted suggestions.

I think I scared them off! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: taebokitti@... [taebokitti@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow toys


Great idea, Helen. I would cough up the dough for those three. Maybe we
should suggest the idea to Sideshow. Elaine

Sorry Helen, I don't think this will happen. Cornelius and Zira look the
same as they did in the original and those figures have already been done.
Some one at the convention said they were thinking of ape-o-nauts, and also
a Caesar, Lisa and Cornelius II (the family angle). Wouldn't getting the
current Cornelius and Zira figures, and then formulating a Baby Milo (a
chimp doll and a small blanket) work? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>


> There is one other set that is not listed that I would DEFINITELY
> buy. That is Cornelius, Zira, and baby Milo. Zira definitely needs
> a carpet bag, Milo definitely needs a medalion. What does Cornelius
> need? I thought a gun, but that is just too sad :((
>
> --Helen
>
>

Wendy....I had decided since I have limited time in
Vegas to hold off on the trek to the "forbidden
zone'....but now I'm worried! The Lake Powell visitor
websites don't seem to mention anything about it's
being gone. It's probably low but as far as I know
it's still there!

Tim

--- libraryape <Willowape@...> wrote:

> I hate to empty your bathwater guys, but Lake Powell
> probably no
> longer exist. Due to the lack of water (the drought
> in the southwest)
> and the protest of environmentalist, the dam was to
> be disassembled.

OK...Neil's playing hard to get!

He does not think there has been enough demand for the next chapter of BTB
(which really is better than Chapter 10, but not as good as the final
Chapter - Chapter 12).

I'd strongly reccommend a solid, joint outcry....about NOW!!!!!

Are you ready to rock?

Michael

Well,

I just produced my calculator and it seems we are on track to maintain an
average of around 980 posts per month for 2004.

That really makes me happy, because it means we are amongst the top groups
on Yahoo re activity.

I am in a few other Yahoo! groups and they often get rapid posts while
something is "happening" (the Sopranos for example - which pushes hard to
get aroun 600 in a good month) and then zero posts when the topic is cold.

So it really is amazing that we can achieve such a buzz of activity, when
there is not really that much happening in the POTA world, and I want to
congratulate and thank everybody for this.

I guess we make our own music around here and I hope we can all keep it up.

By the way - it would be great to hear from some of the quieter members too
- we won't bite!

Michael






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Well, we've only had seven members voting in the Sideshow Toys
action figure poll, but the results are already starting to look
interesting. It would be nice to have the other 196 members vote
too! Have a look at the Polls section, accessible from our main page.
Menluth.

So, what should we all call you?...=)

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> My friends call me Michael...;)
>
> Whitty

"will5967" <will5967@... > wrote:

>>1,2,5,4,3. That's the order in which I most enjoy the five original

films. <<

Mine's close:

BENEATH
PLANET
BATTLE
CONQUEST
ESCAPE

I think very highly of both television series as well (they'd both rank
equally above ESCAPE).


Chris L.

mlccougar@... wrote:

>>Lawless,

You asked if there was going to be a repro of a Soldier Ape box to make
his
line of repro boxes complete... Well, from what I've seen Mego73's repros
are
far above this thing in detail, looks, etc. BUT, as you can see below,
someone
did try an attempt at making a Soldier Ape box:

eBay item 5906656268 (Ends Jul-04-04 15:08:02 PDT) - Mego Planet of the
Apes
Soldier Ape w/Repro Box <<

Not the worst looking thing I've ever seen, though I wish he'd shown the
sides and back. Anyone know how it compares to an original POTA box? Not
the ones that Mego73 is reproducing, but the regular boxes (if, in fact,
there was such a thing).


Chris L.

Correct. It is on the ICARUS site, and I even printed a copy of the photo
once. I'm not sure though whether or not it's a publicity still or just a
photograph from the film et.

Chris L.


"sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...> wrote:

+++ On this point -- am I right in thinking that the ICARUS website
did blow-ups of B&W publicity photos of him -- onto his uniform
badge as he lay on the desert floor next to Brent -- to try and
discover his surname?

He DOES have a badge.

C'mon guys -- I HAVE seen this stuff. But it's buried so far down
in my PC I need one of you to tell me if I'm hallucinating or not.

Clarity please!

I'll look for it now and post a link if I can!


"Menluth" <menluth@...> wrote:

>> What was the (BENEATH) skipper's name? Did it appear in the

novelization? <<

Did you ever find anything out about this Ron?

Chris L.


ron kenner <brindlepit2002@...> wrote:

>>a good theory, and very likely true.

i will attempt contact with the author.<<


--- Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

> I'd have to question this. Nothing on the Internet
> Movie Database (www.imdb.com) about it. Maybe the author was
> confusing childhood memories?

>http://www.imdb.com/find?tt=on;nm=on;mx=20;q=planet%20of%20the%20apes
> for more info.


> ron kenner <brindlepit2002@...> wrote:
>
> recently ran across the following in the 1994issue of
> "the bloody best of the splatter times."
>
> article called "in search of the blind dead" by peter
> j gebhardt.
>
> "This is the first film in the series, US title
> variations include THE BLIND DEAD, TOMB OF THE BLIND
> DEAD and NIGHT OF THE BLIND DEAD. i have good reason
> to believe that TOMBS OF THE BLIND DEAD made a late
> 70's run at drive-ins as REVENGE OF THE PLANET OF
> THE APES."

This is another one of those widely discussed/debated topics, and I was
going to ask if there was anything in writing somewhere that indicated
whether CONQUEST/BATTLE took place on the East or West coast. Thanks to
the info James provided, we now have some proof.

So let me ask you guys this: are there any other references to location
for CONQUEST/BATTLE in books/unpublished screenplays/comic adaptations
etc? Someone had mentioned that the CONQUEST paperback made a point of
saying the story took place in Los Angeles, but I don't remember anyone
confirming/denying that.

Greg and I were discussing this the day of the MegoCon, and he came up
with an interesting suggestion: the dead city was actually Washington DC.
Thinking about it, it kind of made sense to me. I made a mental
connection to the Pentagon being in DC and that's why the Alpha Omega
bomb was there. also, there's that throwaway line in CONQUEST about Breck
running for some kind of high office ("You really think he's going
to...?" "I don't know of anyone who can stop him."). Maybe Dehn was
indirectly hinting at something with that dialogue?

Here's another thing: Virgil says in BATTLE that it's a three day journey
to the dead city, and based on Dehn's screen treatment, we're presuming
that the Ape Village is in the area of NYC since it's supposed to be the
same Ape City/Village in the first movie. So (and I'm geographically
challenged here so hopefully someone can answer this for me): would it be
feasible for someone to get from NYC to DC on foot in three days time,
presuming they were walking for most of each day?

I'm curious to hear some opinions on all this.


Chris L.



"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>If you read the treatment for Battle on Hunter's site

(http://www.goatley.com/pota/scripts/pota_epic_treatment.pdf) it
makes it clear that the Ape City in Battle is the same Ape City from
Planet. So it is safe to presume that Battle took place on the East
Coast.<<


Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>> How do you figure Alan? I understand how SINS ties to the first film,

but

> FZ completely disregarded continuity. Kolp?? Alive??? In NYC?? During

the

> reign of Mendez the 10??? Even if presume that CONQUEST & BATTLE take
> place on the East Coast (which they very well may have), the other

three

> are major gaffes.

"pazuzu3" <mego73@... > wrote:

>>Apes were released in both boxes and cards. Although there are only 4

character boxes that collectors know of (Astronaut, Galen, General
Urko and General Ursus). <<


When you say "character boxes", I'm presuming you mean the ones like
this: http://www.megostore.com/mc/images/usergallery/980112654454.jpg
that you've been reproducing and providing links for in the DG. Were
there other, more generic boxes used for the Apes figures as well i.e.
the one that just recently ended on eBay
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5906656268)? I know
that all the Mego boxes had photos of other figures on the sides and a
photo or drawing of the figure you were buying on the back, but I can't
remember now whether or not I've seen an Apes figure boxed in anything
other than the type you've been reproducing (aside from the Spanish &
Japanese boxed figures Greg & I saw at the MegoCon).


Chris L.

I'd agreed with both inferences: both the name and the blindness of
Skipper's character in BENEATH were references to an earlier idea. One of
those cinematic "in-jokes" that producers/writers occasionally throw in.
Leave it to us to figure it out 35 years later. :-)


Chris L.



"Menluth" <menluth@...> wrote:

>>Thanks Dave, and Hunter,

I hadn't checked that link out yet. Dr. Flynn describles the Eastman
screenplay as being about 40 pp., so I am assuming that you've got
the whole thing there. The story barely gets off the ground. But
there is a "Ulysses" (ref. to Boulle) and it would seem that
Eastman's commander Maddox character lived on at least in name on
the suit of Brent's Skipper. Interesting too that another major
character in Eastman's POTA whas a blind man in his 60s
(Petchnikoff). Perhaps only coincidence, but I wonder if Beneath
Skipper's blindness after the crash has an oblique connection to
that character as well?<<


"Dave B" <smugster@...> wrote:

>> Assuming you mean the script you can go here:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/prophecy/index2.htm

> from there click on 'POTA stories' and you will find the Eastman

script. <<

"sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@... > wrote:

>> +++ I picked up a copy of APESFAN at that fabulously expensive

comic/movie shop in St. Martin's Lane about 18 months ago. <<


OK, I'll bite. Where is St. Martin's Lane?


Chris L.

Will Hoover <will5967@...> wrote:

>>The art was even black and white! I was really

turned off and subsequently, never bought a single issue of the Adventure
comics of the 90's. I just thought then and still do, that POTA deserves
better.<<

Most of the Marvel B&W magazine artwork was pretty amazing. Did you even
have
a chance to see any of those Will? It's well worth trying to track them
down.

>>and then there is the classic sci-fi formula that takes a season or two

for
it to get the right established writers and producers onboard, like Star
Trek: The Next Generation. If you look at that show, you can see clearly
that it didn't really find it's legs until the third season. Imagine if
POTA: The series had been given that chance! <<

I think the same held true for DS9 and Voyager as well. Enterprise I
enjoyed from the get go, but obviously I'm in the minority since it's
(most likely) going into it's last season.


Chris L.

-The thud you hear are a96 DG members falling to their
knees all over the world begging Neil...PLEASE!!

TIm

-- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> OK...Neil's playing hard to get!
>
> He does not think there has been enough demand for
> the next chapter of BTB

on 7/27/04 8:56 PM, Menluth at menluth@... wrote:

Well, we've only had seven members voting in the Sideshow Toys
action figure poll, but the results are already starting to look
interesting. It would be nice to have the other 196 members vote
too! Have a look at the Polls section, accessible from our main page.
Menluth.



What other 196 members? I love this DG, but I only see posting from the
same, rather small group of people again and again. It's great to hear from
the people who do post though. I just don't understand where the other 196
are. Speaking for myself, I don't always have something to say and I
definitely try to limit my posts to when I actually DO have something
significant to say, but I just don't see how anybody can read all the posts
and never reply to ANY of them!

Will


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

There are about 15 or so regular posters by my count. There are also
about another 15 to 20 members that pop-in occasionally.
So where are the rest of the 170 members? Well many are here for the
other features of the group such as the Files & Photos & Database
sections and the internal website. They just want access to those
resources. Since I belong to several groups that I don't participate
in but belong to have access to their resources; I can't really say
I blame them for not speaking up more.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> What other 196 members? I love this DG, but I only see posting
from the
> same, rather small group of people again and again. It's great to
hear from
> the people who do post though. I just don't understand where the
other 196
> are. Speaking for myself, I don't always have something to say
and I
> definitely try to limit my posts to when I actually DO have
something
> significant to say, but I just don't see how anybody can read all
the posts
> and never reply to ANY of them!
>
> Will
>

Alan,
I agree. You got to see him! That is great! I know what you mean by
feeling grief. I was devestated when Kim died. I am still recovering.
Hardly seems fair that we are losing those who were in involved in
the POTA movies in some way.

Wendy

One of my favorits of Jerry's is "Logan's Run". Jerry did well to
introduce electronic music without it sounding like electronic music.
I think he was the first to mix ochrestra music with this
contemporary music that was still in its infancy.

>
> I thought Congo was one of Jerry's better scores of recent years

(and

> the film was a fun no-brainer - but I'm a sucker for lost world
> movies).
>
> I've not really got much to add to the comments so far as they seem

to

> have all summed up my own feelings - we've lost a few big PotA names
> in recent years but this is the one that has bothered me most.

Still,

> I did get to see him in concert a few years back, which is still a
> vivid memory and now even more treasured.
>
> The music in my CD player this week has been PotA, The Illustrated
> Man, Logan's Run, Take a Hard Ride and the compilation "Frontiers".
> Brilliant stuff.
>
> Alan

First, welcome back Chris. You were away far too long.

You make a very convincing case. Just to play devil's advocate there
are a few things you may want to consider.

Zira refers to Cornelius as her fiance early in Planet, but not at
the end of the film. It is possible that their wedding took place
sometime during Planet such as in the weeks between Taylor's escape
attempt and trial.

Also, since Zaius suspected early on that Taylor came from a jungle
beyond the Forbidden Zone, it is possible that Ursus did too and was
sending the scouts into the FZ long before the end of Planet.

In Beneath their is no mention of C&Zs trial having taken place.
They could still be awaiting trial when the events of that film take
place. It would also give them additional motivation to go with Dr.
Milo knowing that they still faced a prison term for heresy.

Of course this is all just speculation. You're theory is just as
valid.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:
> Occasionally, debate pops up in the DG about the amount of time
that
> passes between the first and second films, and one of the points
that's
> repeatedly brought up is that how could so many different things
have
> happened in such a short amount of time (the trial of Cornelius
and Zira
> starting & concluding, their wedding, power shift in Ape City to
the
> gorillas, etc). Anyways, I got to wondering why people always
assumed
> that there wasn't a lot of time between the two films.
>
> At the very least, you could reasonable presume that 4-6 weeks
passed
> between PLANET and BENEATH. Enough time so that: A) Cornelius &
Zira's
> trial had begun & concluded (and they were subsequently married),
and B)
> the appearance of Taylor, the disappearance of the 11 scouts, or
> something else entirely, has happened that somewhat shifts the
power
> structure in the Ape Society. Enough so that Ursus is able to
garner
> support for his planned invasion of the Forbidden Zone. Now as far
as I'm
> concerned, you could easily justify Taylor & Nova were roaming
around in
> the desert for that period of time. Granted yes, he was only given
> supplies for a week- but there's no reason to presume that they
didn't
> find other sources of food & water in their travels. In fact, one
of
> Nova's flashbacks in BENEATH shows them at a small oasis. Even
after
> Taylor's disappearance, she could have been searching for him and
> managing to survive based on her own instincts and by what she
learned
> from Taylor. Discussing this recently with my good friend Dave
Ballard,
> he mentioned that it's likely they were there long enough for
Taylor to
> double back to the pool where he, Landon and Dodge had their swim.
There,
> by chance if not design he was able to recover his dog tags.
Either that
> or he spent the whole of `Planet' with them stuck up his arse!
(must be a
> British thing, because I have no such part on my body) ;-)
>
>
> Also, it's never been fully established how far into the FZ Brent
was.
> PLANET made reference of a three day ride across the desert, but we
> really have no idea of how close (or far away) he & Nova were to
Ape
> City. As I recall, the novelization seemed to indicate a rather
long trek
> from the wrecked spaceship until they came upon Ape City (can
anyone
> confirm this?). Another point supporting a 4-6 week period is the
fact
> that
> when Brent finally meets Taylor he's obviously been a captive for
quite
> some time.
>
> So, what does everyone else think?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well, I guess you can say it all come out in the wash.

Wendy :0)

> I think it's the same outfit but faded. When it's lighter green

probably

> those scenes were filmed later. It's definitely lighter

in "Escape'. - - -

> Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "libraryape" <Willowape@h...>
>
>
> > To add to Dr. Zaiz's woredrobe cotroversy, I (after watching the
> > movies over and over) noticed Zira wears two different outfits.
> > Although they appear the same, one appears to be a faded green,

the

> > other a more crisp - newer green. The lighter outfit is worn when

she

> > is working while the brighter, much newer one, she wears outside

work

> > or to special occasions or to the tribunal. When Zira is killed,

she

> > is wearing her faded green outfit. Am I wrong???
> >
> > Wendy
> >

Well, for our sake, lets hope Lake Powell remains on the map.

Wendy

> Wendy....I had decided since I have limited time in
> Vegas to hold off on the trek to the "forbidden
> zone'....but now I'm worried! The Lake Powell visitor
> websites don't seem to mention anything about it's
> being gone. It's probably low but as far as I know
> it's still there!
>
> Tim
>
> --- libraryape <Willowape@h...> wrote:
> > I hate to empty your bathwater guys, but Lake Powell
> > probably no
> > longer exist. Due to the lack of water (the drought
> > in the southwest)
> > and the protest of environmentalist, the dam was to
> > be disassembled.

Yuh, I know, Jeff. But it's a shame, really. The Tagline: Meet baby
Milo who has Washington terrified. Yet, where are the Milo toys?
How can a person act out Escape without the baby? Just any old chimp
won't do.

So, here is my angle. Zira is seen dressing herself in the zoo. How
about an "easy dress" CZM Chimp family? Then BOTH the traditional
Apes garments and the shopping outfits could be included. Emphasis
could be put on the clothing, making these dressable Apes ape-pealing
to little kids. In fact, kids Babrbie dressing dolls cost some $40
(or more for the collectivle editions) so this isn't out of line.
Although all the dolls would be included and, of course, more
expensive.

Oh well. I've dressed more Barbies in my day than most people,
having played with them myself for many years -- then with my kids.
I don't suppose this would ape-peal to you guys, huh? Oh well, must
be getting old. But, THIS I would pay for.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Sorry Helen, I don't think this will happen. Cornelius and Zira
look the
> same as they did in the original and those figures have already
been done.
> Some one at the convention said they were thinking of ape-o-nauts,
and also
> a Caesar, Lisa and Cornelius II (the family angle). Wouldn't
getting the
> current Cornelius and Zira figures, and then formulating a Baby
Milo (a
> chimp doll and a small blanket) work? - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
>
>
> > There is one other set that is not listed that I would DEFINITELY
> > buy. That is Cornelius, Zira, and baby Milo. Zira definitely
needs
> > a carpet bag, Milo definitely needs a medalion. What does
Cornelius
> > need? I thought a gun, but that is just too sad :((
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >

Washington DC is over 200 miles from NYC. To walking in three days a
person would have to walk at least 67 miles per day. Doing so in
desert conditions is not really possible.
Also DC does not have a Govenor but a Mayor.
While the city is Conquest/Battle may not be NYC it may be somewhere
close by like Newark which is just across the river from New York
and connected by many underground tunnels.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:
> This is another one of those widely discussed/debated topics, and
I was
> going to ask if there was anything in writing somewhere that
indicated
> whether CONQUEST/BATTLE took place on the East or West coast.
Thanks to
> the info James provided, we now have some proof.
>
> So let me ask you guys this: are there any other references to
location
> for CONQUEST/BATTLE in books/unpublished screenplays/comic
adaptations
> etc? Someone had mentioned that the CONQUEST paperback made a
point of
> saying the story took place in Los Angeles, but I don't remember
anyone
> confirming/denying that.
>
> Greg and I were discussing this the day of the MegoCon, and he
came up
> with an interesting suggestion: the dead city was actually
Washington DC.
> Thinking about it, it kind of made sense to me. I made a mental
> connection to the Pentagon being in DC and that's why the Alpha
Omega
> bomb was there. also, there's that throwaway line in CONQUEST
about Breck
> running for some kind of high office ("You really think he's going
> to...?" "I don't know of anyone who can stop him."). Maybe Dehn was
> indirectly hinting at something with that dialogue?
>
> Here's another thing: Virgil says in BATTLE that it's a three day
journey
> to the dead city, and based on Dehn's screen treatment, we're
presuming
> that the Ape Village is in the area of NYC since it's supposed to
be the
> same Ape City/Village in the first movie. So (and I'm
geographically
> challenged here so hopefully someone can answer this for me):
would it be
> feasible for someone to get from NYC to DC on foot in three days
time,
> presuming they were walking for most of each day?
>
> I'm curious to hear some opinions on all this.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

My vote was heard... or something!

Went to the San Diego con too... man the POTA figs were as stated beyond SWEET!!

Also just wanted to add... beweare the Beast is the frickin COOLEST story going out there in POTA!!! If I had that talent... boy... what I would do... not sure what I'd do actually... but it would be cool! For sure I'd paint my kid's roon in POTA fasion... man that would ROCK!! Still need a kid though... going to start tonight with the wife... yea!! GO ME!!!

-Chris

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
There are about 15 or so regular posters by my count. There are also
about another 15 to 20 members that pop-in occasionally.
So where are the rest of the 170 members? Well many are here for the
other features of the group such as the Files & Photos & Database
sections and the internal website. They just want access to those
resources. Since I belong to several groups that I don't participate
in but belong to have access to their resources; I can't really say
I blame them for not speaking up more.

Take a look at this pic from the scene in Zaius' office. His jacket
is hanging by the door.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/ZaiusJacket.jpg


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Fellas..
>
> I talked with an expert on this subject (my 17 year old daughter)

and

> she says it's another outfit. That makes three outfits. Sorry,
> James, but my daughter knows this stuff.
>
> --Helen
>

i atempted to contact the editor of the magazine, but was unsuccessful.
since there is interest, i will renew my effort.
as for me, i think it would be a pretty neat poster.
kind of reminds me of the "lost" episodes...
rob

Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
Did you ever find anything out about this Ron?

Chris L.

yeah, it would be cool to have a baby room: pota style.
i am thinking of a glyph border around the wall...

HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> wrote:
My vote was heard... or something!

Went to the San Diego con too... man the POTA figs were as stated beyond SWEET!!

Also just wanted to add... beweare the Beast is the frickin COOLEST story going out there in POTA!!! If I had that talent... boy... what I would do... not sure what I'd do actually... but it would be cool! For sure I'd paint my kid's roon in POTA fasion... man that would ROCK!! Still need a kid though... going to start tonight with the wife... yea!! GO ME!!!

-Chris

> Oh well. I've dressed more Barbies in my day than most people,
> having played with them myself for many years -- then with my kids.
> I don't suppose this would ape-peal to you guys, huh?

I haven't dressed many Barbies, but I undressed plenty of my sisters'
Barbies in my youth.

How else was G.I. Joe to procreate with them??

hi
i am nitesh . i have read all the parts of btb except after the 7th i
am not able to excess the comics from my net connection , i access
the net from my college computers and the server is not allowing me to
access the pages ,can anyone please sens me the 8,9,10 th parts as
attachments to an email i would be really thankful to you if you could
do so . i am really anxious to know what has happened after the 7th
part
please anyone just send me the 8,9,10 th parts

how many issues of the curtis/marvel US pota mag are there?

i am thinking of using them to create a border in my pota room, but i dont have them all, so i would like to be able to space it out so that i can fill in the issues as i get them.



rob

oosa



GO VEGETARIAN!

---------------------------------

There were 29 issues in all. Scans of all the covers are on the
internal website in the comics area of the Art & Info section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/POTAOneSheets.htm


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

>
>
>
> how many issues of the curtis/marvel US pota mag are there?
>
> i am thinking of using them to create a border in my pota room,

but i dont have them all, so i would like to be able to space it out
so that i can fill in the issues as i get them.

>
>
>
> rob
>
> oosa
>

James,

How do you get those "screen grabs"?...I've tried, but can't work out
the trick (I am "computer-stupid", though)...=)

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Take a look at this pic from the scene in Zaius' office. His jacket
> is hanging by the door.
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/ZaiusJacket.jpg

Nitesh,

I just sent them...Hope you enjoy them as much as the rest of us
have...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "deepspace12002" <deepspace12002@y...>
wrote:

> hi
> i am nitesh . can anyone please sens me the 8,9,10 th parts as
> attachments to an email i would be really thankful to you if you

could

> do so . i am really anxious to know what has happened after the 7th
> part
> please anyone just send me the 8,9,10 th parts

thanks james;
i really enjoyed the scans.
i noticed that some covers were reprodiced without all the caption blurbs ("final fiery chapter")...how was this done?

and i got a kick out of the bright colors the gorillas wore on th e covers of the marvel comic book reprints.

awesome, awesome website.
rob

James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
There were 29 issues in all. Scans of all the covers are on the
internal website in the comics area of the Art & Info section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/POTAOneSheets.htm


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

>
>
>
> how many issues of the curtis/marvel US pota mag are there?
>
> i am thinking of using them to create a border in my pota room,

but i dont have them all, so i would like to be able to space it out
so that i can fill in the issues as i get them.

>
>
>
> rob
>
> oosa
>

In a message dated 7/28/2004 2:24:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

the appearance of Taylor, the disappearance of the 11 scouts,



Couldn't the scouts have begun disappearing while/before/during Taylors
arrival?


"The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be
one."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson -


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think it is the software not the person. My computer came with a
DVD player that has a screen grab function.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> James,
>
> How do you get those "screen grabs"?...I've tried, but can't work
out
> the trick (I am "computer-stupid", though)...=)
>
> G
>

Those covers are courtesy of Dave Ballard. He's working on a project
to restore all the covers to their original artwork.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> thanks james;
> i really enjoyed the scans.
> i noticed that some covers were reprodiced without all the caption

blurbs ("final fiery chapter")...how was this done?

>
> and i got a kick out of the bright colors the gorillas wore on th

e covers of the marvel comic book reprints.

>
> awesome, awesome website.
> rob
>

I always thought this way too...
In POTA the astronauts are treking across the desert and there is the
flashing of lightning and the rumble of thunder; and later, Dodge
comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain." and "...that
strange luminousity, and yet no moon."...
By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the mutants'
and their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my
opinion, the gorilla scouts of Ursus'...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> Couldn't the scouts have begun disappearing while/before/during
Taylors
> arrival?

Very true they could have. Personally, I've always liked to think
that it was Taylor's arrival that initiated the scouts being sent in
the first place. That would explain why Zaius saw Taylor as such a
threat as well as meaning the events of the first film caused the
events of the second film.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
>
> Couldn't the scouts have begun disappearing while/before/during
Taylors
> arrival?
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,

> -- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > OK...Neil's playing hard to get!
> > He does not think there has been enough demand for
> > the next chapter of BTB

Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> -The thud you hear are a96 DG members falling to their
> knees all over the world begging Neil...PLEASE!!

What's that? I can't hear you!

Tell you what, let's just hear everyone on the left….

Still can't hear you,

Now just everyone on the right…

Hmmm… better,

Just the people in the middle section…

Yes, much better, now everybody all together again…

Neil

Hmmm...so, can we show the world now Mr Rockstar (Geez, the egos I
have to work with!). ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> What's that? I can't hear you!
>
> Tell you what, let's just hear everyone on the left….
>
> Still can't hear you,
>
> Now just everyone on the right…
>
> Hmmm… better,
>
> Just the people in the middle section…
>
> Yes, much better, now everybody all together again…
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Hmmm...so, can we show the world now Mr Rockstar (Geez, the egos I
> have to work with!). ;)

Nope! still too quiet out there... can we have a light on the crowd
please?...

Neil

> Nope! still too quiet out there... can we have a light on the crowd
> please?...

And all of this after GregP. worked on the FZ for you. So sad. ;-)

I'm looking forward to the next chapter!

Hunter

I voted..and I also went to the San diego comic-con. Can't wait for my POTA figures to come in.


In a message dated 7/28/2004 10:09:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> writes:

>My vote was heard... or something!
>
>Went to the San Diego con too... man the POTA figs were as stated beyond SWEET!!
>
>Also just wanted to add... beweare the Beast is the frickin COOLEST story going out there in POTA!!! If I had that talent... boy... what I would do... not sure what I'd do actually... but it would be cool! For sure I'd paint my kid's roon in POTA fasion... man that would ROCK!! Still need a kid though... going to start tonight with the wife... yea!! GO ME!!!
>
>-Chris
>
>James <JamesA1102@...> wrote:
>There are about 15 or so regular posters by my count. There are also
>about another 15 to 20 members that pop-in occasionally.
>So where are the rest of the 170 members? Well many are here for the
>other features of the group such as the Files & Photos & Database
>sections and the internal website. They just want access to those
>resources. Since I belong to several groups that I don't participate
>in but belong to have access to their resources; I can't really say
>I blame them for not speaking up more.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>PLEASE DELETE THIS LINE AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT BEFORE RESPONDING. THANK YOU OR YOU WILL BE CAST INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE!!!!!
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

ARGGG#%&#$@@@*&*&$$##@$$!!!!

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I think it is the software not the person. My computer came with a
> DVD player that has a screen grab function.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > James,
> >
> > How do you get those "screen grabs"?...I've tried, but can't work
> out
> > the trick (I am "computer-stupid", though)...=)
> >
> > G
> >

I'm in a lot of Yahoo! groups and most are the same!

The "quiet ones" eventually ease out of their shells.

A lot of them are actually "borderline" fans and have specific areas of
interest in POTA...like POTA Mego Collectors etc.

Please feel free to speak up!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Action Figure Poll

What other 196 members? I love this DG, but I only see posting from the
same, rather small group of people again and again. It's great to hear from
the people who do post though. I just don't understand where the other 196
are. Speaking for myself, I don't always have something to say and I
definitely try to limit my posts to when I actually DO have something
significant to say, but I just don't see how anybody can read all the posts
and never reply to ANY of them!

Will

Here's a site that may be of interest to anyone who has ever wanted
to see what the Marvel POTA magazines looked like reprinted in
German. Just go here:

http://www.wmca.de/preface.htm

Then check out all the Planet der Affen stuff in the menus.

Neil

Good luck Chris.

Last time I got excited about conception we had twins - so go easy! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: HollowedOut [at_deaths_door@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Action Figure Poll


My vote was heard... or something!

Went to the San Diego con too... man the POTA figs were as stated beyond
SWEET!!

Also just wanted to add... beweare the Beast is the frickin COOLEST story
going out there in POTA!!! If I had that talent... boy... what I would do...
not sure what I'd do actually... but it would be cool! For sure I'd paint my
kid's roon in POTA fasion... man that would ROCK!! Still need a kid
though... going to start tonight with the wife... yea!! GO ME!!!

-Chris

Has somebody taken this on?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: deepspace12002 [deepspace12002@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] beware the beast


hi
i am nitesh . i have read all the parts of btb except after the 7th i
am not able to excess the comics from my net connection , i access
the net from my college computers and the server is not allowing me to
access the pages ,can anyone please sens me the 8,9,10 th parts as
attachments to an email i would be really thankful to you if you could
do so . i am really anxious to know what has happened after the 7th
part
please anyone just send me the 8,9,10 th parts

I use PowerDVD for screen grabs. You can download a free trial version here:

http://www.gocyberlink.com/english/products/product_main.jsp?ProdId=28

Greg P.

hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
ARGGG#%&#$@@@*&*&$$##@$$!!!!

G


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Neil,

If you don't have your DVD Player Disc yet, you might want to try this one
too!

MIchael

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 11:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Screen Grabs (OT)


I use PowerDVD for screen grabs. You can download a free trial version here:

http://www.gocyberlink.com/english/products/product_main.jsp?ProdId=28

Greg P.

hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
ARGGG#%&#$@@@*&*&$$##@$$!!!!

G

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Has somebody taken this on?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: deepspace12002 [deepspace12002@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 1:37 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] beware the beast
>
>
> hi

i would be really thankful to you if you could send me the 8,9,10 th
parts

Thanks Greg...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I use PowerDVD for screen grabs. You can download a free trial
version here:
>
> http://www.gocyberlink.com/english/products/product_main.jsp?
ProdId=28
>
> Greg P.

There are some new Videos on the Group's Internal Website. Two
Vintage Mego Commercials are now available on the main Videos page.
Greatest Moments has been expanded to include more clips and now
includes clips from the TV Series.
Also be sure to visit the Art & Info section. There have been recent
additions to the Comics Cover Gallery, POTA Toys and TV Ads pages as
well as the new Blueprints pages.
The internal website can be reached by clicking the links on the
Yahoo Home Page or directly via this link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/POTAOneSheets.htm

Big thanks to James (again!).

Lazy Moderator (pasenger!)

-----Original Message-----
From: The Moderators of PotaDG [PotaDG@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 3:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Videos


There are some new Videos on the Group's Internal Website. Two
Vintage Mego Commercials are now available on the main Videos page.
Greatest Moments has been expanded to include more clips and now
includes clips from the TV Series.
Also be sure to visit the Art & Info section. There have been recent
additions to the Comics Cover Gallery, POTA Toys and TV Ads pages as
well as the new Blueprints pages.
The internal website can be reached by clicking the links on the
Yahoo Home Page or directly via this link:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/POTAOneSheets.htm

on 7/28/04 9:39 AM, James at JamesA1102@... wrote:

Take a look at this pic from the scene in Zaius' office. His jacket
is hanging by the door.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/ZaiusJacket.jpg




I'm pretty sure you're right James, but I'm going to look one more time when
I watch Planet again... just for Helen's sake.

Will

on 7/28/04 12:15 AM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

Most of the Marvel B&W magazine artwork was pretty amazing. Did you even
have
a chance to see any of those Will? It's well worth trying to track them
down.

I think the same held true for DS9 and Voyager as well. Enterprise I
enjoyed from the get go, but obviously I'm in the minority since it's
(most likely) going into it's last season.


Chris L.


Good lord! I wrote, "The art was even black and white! I was really turned
off and subsequently, never bought a single issue of the Adventure comics of
the 90's. I just thought then and still do, that POTA deserves better."

Well gosh.... For starters, I'm not totally against B&W artwork. BtB for
example is far superior to ANY POTA comic I have personally EVER laid eyes
on and it's B&W so... I guess I should partially take that back. What I
mean, I guess, is that the POTA Adventure comic that I looked through when
it was first released back in the '90s absolutely did not appeal to me on
any level whatsoever. What I saw did not have photo realistic looking apes
the way they were portrayed in the film series. BtB features an ape
character that actually looks like a gorilla from the films! His uniform is
accurate and if it were in color, I suspect that the colors would be
accurate too.

As I've mentioned before, I think POTA, having been the very first sci-fi
"space opera" (as Charlton Heston so aptly put it) got a raw deal in it's
spinoffs and much of the merchandising that was produced from the films. In
artwork, we got gorilla soldiers wearing almost every color in the spectrum
and Zaius in a blue outfit for crying out loud! Mego really "monkeyed" with
colors and outfits as well. Now I love my POTA Megos but I have always felt
that they weren't as film accurate as they could have been and I just don't
see any excuse for that. Star Wars got a much better deal. Was a Darth
Vader figure ever produced in red? Were stormtroopers ever portrayed in
black? Did anybody ever make Luke Skywalker's tan trousers blue? Hell no!
The Kenner toys, as crude as the original sculpts were, were for the most
part, quite film accurate. And don't try and tell me it was a Mego thing!
The Star Trek Megos were pretty accurate for the most part and their later
offerings for The Black Hole, Buck Rogers and ST:TMP were also very film
accurate. And Mego's Fonzie was not wearing pink!

In any case, no, I never had a chance to see any of the Marvel B&W
magazines. To this day, sadly, all I've ever seen are the covers. I was
APE CRAZY when I was kid in the early seventies, but I was really young
(seven years old in 1974 when the TV series premiered) and I didn't get into
comics until I was ten when Star Wars came out. I would like to know more
about all the POTA comics that have been on the market to date though, just
to figure out which ones might be worth owning. As I have previously
posted, I would be extremely grateful if somebody could attempt to summarize
a history of sorts of the POTA comics. Not the ones from POTA 01 though!

Basically, like I've said before, I am a POTA purist. I get urked when I
see Urko wearing orange and a few of the covers from some of the Marvel mags
pretty much freak me out. Chimps wearing buckskin and a coon skin cap?!?!?
Like... what's THAT all about? Gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking armor
or some such CRAP!!! Again, BtB is definitely my idea of a POTA comic. Not
this fat bellied gorilla wearing a loin cloth and primitive necklace, "When
the Assimians Strike!" CRAP!!! DON'T MONKEY WITH MY APES, MAN!!!

Will


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

The most comprehensive tribute to Jerry Goldsmith that you are likely to find
anywhere can be seen here:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/articles/2004/29_Jul---Jerry_Goldsmith.asp

Dave B

> Basically, like I've said before, I am a POTA purist. I get urked when I
> see Urko wearing orange and a few of the covers from some of the Marvel mags
> pretty much freak me out. Chimps wearing buckskin and a coon skin cap?!?!?
> Like... what's THAT all about? Gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking armor
> or some such CRAP!!! Again, BtB is definitely my idea of a POTA comic. Not
> this fat bellied gorilla wearing a loin cloth and primitive necklace, "When
> the Assimians Strike!" CRAP!!! DON'T MONKEY WITH MY APES, MAN!!!

You're not alone, Will. While some people are willing to buy anything
Apes-related, no matter how bizarre, ugly, or just downright
unnatural, I have no interest if it doesn't look right. The only Apes
memorabilia that I have that isn't right is the Dr. Zaius bank from
the '70s with the blue suit (and the model, but you can paint that
correctly), and that's only 'cause I found it in great shape for $5
and couldn't resist. But I have resisted most of the '70s toys,
simply because they do nothing for me (paratroopers??).

I have almost all the Marvel mags but haven't read 80% of the stories
in them. I bought them for the articles (no, really!), and the ones
I'm missing are later issues that have no articles and sell now for
$10 each or more. No thanks.

Hunter

I think I may have misunderstood the question, Wendy, but this is the
reply I got from Brian Penikas at Apemania when I asked him about the
differences in the costumes...

Yeah, I was just asking if I was imagining the difference. However,
you did will to read between my lines. Thanks for the info. It
certainly substantiates my suspicions as well as helping me
understand why.

Wendy

> I think I may have misunderstood the question, Wendy, but this is

the

> reply I got from Brian Penikas at Apemania when I asked him about

the

> differences in the costumes...
>
>

Thanks Dave.

Wendy

Will, as Gunpowder Julius would say,'Them's fighting words you ornery
critter!'.The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.In
fact, most of the Marvel run was characterised by its high
quality.Doug Moench scripted a whole new world of Apes
with 'Terror', 'Future History Chronicle', Derek Zane etc,and ADDED
to the joy of the first five films with his excellent adaptations.The
artists on these strips read like menu of comics greats, including
Ploog, Alcala, Trimpe, Hannigan,Sutton, Rival.Some of the covers on
the US Mag are as good as any painted covers anywhere, any time.I get
a bit defensive when people put down the Marvel run because from 1974
to 1977 this mag was an absolute joy for Apes fans.Even the article
features were excellent and Apes more than holds its own with any
similar genre mag published then or since.Personally, I think that
Marvel managed to catch magic in a bottle with its Apes mags and they
will always be a big part of my Apes world.I would say that any Apes
fan who ignores these mags is missing out.And yes, BtB IS SUPERB AS
WELL! John, Scrolls.

Interesting theory. But how would the astronauts be able to see
illusions that were being projected into some Gorilla's mind miles
away?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> I always thought this way too...
> In POTA the astronauts are treking across the desert and there is
the
> flashing of lightning and the rumble of thunder; and later, Dodge
> comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain."
and "...that
> strange luminousity, and yet no moon."...
> By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the
mutants'
> and their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my
> opinion, the gorilla scouts of Ursus'...
>
> G
>

All right!...I've had enough!...And I'm sure I speak for everyone
here!...If you don't release BtB #11 ASAP, I'm going to start a poll
to see how many want it!!...
There -- consider yourselves threatened!...

G

Look, James, don't go confusing the facts with logic, now...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Interesting theory. But how would the astronauts be able to see
> illusions that were being projected into some Gorilla's mind miles
> away?
>

In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:23:03 PM Central Standard Time,
mail@... writes:

> Even the article features were excellent...

These articles, along with the adaptions, are the only thing that make the
magazine any good in my opinion... I mean all the rest of the stories are called
Apes stories, when in reality the stories just have Apes in them just for the
sake of having Apes in them... They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think Helen's comment means that girls interpret "jacket off" as being a
different costume sometimes...Helen?

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 4:24 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 1058


on 7/28/04 9:39 AM, James at JamesA1102@... wrote:

Take a look at this pic from the scene in Zaius' office. His jacket
is hanging by the door.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/ZaiusJacket.jpg




I'm pretty sure you're right James, but I'm going to look one more time when
I watch Planet again... just for Helen's sake.

Will

That's better! ;)

Actually, Dave has begun to colourise it....man, you should see the colour
pages!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Well gosh.... For starters, I'm not totally against B&W artwork. BtB for
example is far superior to ANY POTA comic I have personally EVER laid eyes
on and it's B&W so... I guess I should partially take that back.

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> I always thought this way too...In POTA the astronauts are treking across
> the desert and there is the flashing of lightning and the rumble of thunder;
> and later, Dodge comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain." and
> "...that strange luminousity, and yet no moon."...
> By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the mutants' and
> their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my opinion, the
> gorilla scouts of Ursus'...

Everyone needs to remember that PLANET was/is a stand alone piece and that
the dialog in there is not meant to jibe with later films (because there was no
sequel planned at the time of PLANET.) The dialog mentioned above was supposed
to show a changed atmosphere and add to the "mystery" of where they are... It
had NOTHING to do with Mutants, as they weren't in anyone's minds at the
time...

I'll say that yes, you are just creating here by what you said, but these
type of things are only what people make up, they can't be taken too seriously
unless they're thought of as an "after fact" or "fan fiction/specultion"...
Then they are fine...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Well said Will!

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 5:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)
Basically, like I've said before, I am a POTA purist. I get urked when I
see Urko wearing orange and a few of the covers from some of the Marvel mags
pretty much freak me out. Chimps wearing buckskin and a coon skin cap?!?!?
Like... what's THAT all about? Gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking armor
or some such CRAP!!! Again, BtB is definitely my idea of a POTA comic. Not
this fat bellied gorilla wearing a loin cloth and primitive necklace, "When
the Assimians Strike!" CRAP!!! DON'T MONKEY WITH MY APES, MAN!!!

Will

I respectfully agree with Will John! SORRY!

-----Original Message-----
From: shanter2002 [mail@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Black and White artwork


Will, as Gunpowder Julius would say,'Them's fighting words you ornery
critter!'.The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.

Please do - Neil is being a total bitch! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: hotscheetz [HotScheetz@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast #11


All right!...I've had enough!...And I'm sure I speak for everyone
here!...If you don't release BtB #11 ASAP, I'm going to start a poll
to see how many want it!!...
There -- consider yourselves threatened!...

G

I agree Cougar!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:19 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re:MARVEL


In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:23:03 PM Central Standard Time,
mail@... writes:

> Even the article features were excellent...

These articles, along with the adaptions, are the only thing that make the
magazine any good in my opinion... I mean all the rest of the stories are
called
Apes stories, when in reality the stories just have Apes in them just for
the
sake of having Apes in them... They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA...

Absolutely.

I don't think it would be absurd, though, to reveal (as Fox might have at
some later stage) that it is mutant "defenses" in play.

Including a thread about the missing scouts would also not be absurd.

Obviously, there are some conjectures that just make ape fans' guts turn
though....and I won't go giving examples here but some things get so
detailed that they get ridiculous, and they really stray from what I call
"the spirit of POTA". It is my intention to try not to allow this in the
new line of comics, but then sometimes things that make sense to me sound
ridiculous to other fans!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Illusions

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> I always thought this way too...In POTA the astronauts are treking across
> the desert and there is the flashing of lightning and the rumble of

thunder;

> and later, Dodge comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain."

and

> "...that strange luminousity, and yet no moon."...
> By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the mutants' and
> their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my opinion, the
> gorilla scouts of Ursus'...

Everyone needs to remember that PLANET was/is a stand alone piece and that
the dialog in there is not meant to jibe with later films (because there was
no
sequel planned at the time of PLANET.) The dialog mentioned above was
supposed
to show a changed atmosphere and add to the "mystery" of where they are...
It
had NOTHING to do with Mutants, as they weren't in anyone's minds at the
time...

I'll say that yes, you are just creating here by what you said, but these
type of things are only what people make up, they can't be taken too
seriously
unless they're thought of as an "after fact" or "fan fiction/specultion"...
Then they are fine...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:

> The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.In fact,

most of the Marvel run was characterised by its high quality.Doug
Moench scripted a whole new world of Apes with 'Terror', 'Future
History Chronicle', Derek Zane etc,and ADDED to the joy of the first
five films with his excellent adaptations.The artists on these
strips read like menu of comics greats, including Ploog, Alcala,
Trimpe, Hannigan,Sutton, Rival.Some of the covers on the US Mag are
as good as any painted covers anywhere, any time.I get a bit
defensive when people put down the Marvel run because from 1974 to
1977 this mag was an absolute joy for Apes fans.

John I totally agree with everything you've said here (well maybe
not Sutton, but then that is down to personal taste) I don't see
what the problem is with expanding on something and maybe going in a
totally different direction to what people were used to.

There is nothing wrong with having the characters wearing different
clothes etc. than they did in the films. I loved the whole Terror
story and idea, especially the brilliant art of mike ploog (my hero!)

So what if these stories and art didn't stick exactly to the films,
they were something extra, a whole new 'planet' to explore and the
art was great.

Seems a lot of you don't agree though and like your Apes pure and
unadulterated. Maybe we should have a poll on this as well?

Now if only Mike and Dave had let me draw Gideon the way I wanted.
He would have looked so cool in flares and a Kaftan ;-)

Neil

i didnt know that the curtis/marvel run was so controversial...

i dont say it is perfect, but i really enjoyed them and will likely enjoy the issues i have yet to find.
true, the terror series got REALLY wacky, but it had good characters and was never dull.
rob
oosa

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Well said Will!

I don't really mind about the other Marvel stories....I just don't think
they are POTA just because someone slapped that label on them.

Some even say that about the movie sequels, the TV Show etc!

Now aren't you supposed to be drawing Neil?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

There is nothing wrong with having the characters wearing different
clothes etc. than they did in the films. I loved the whole Terror
story and idea, especially the brilliant art of mike ploog (my hero!)

So what if these stories and art didn't stick exactly to the films,
they were something extra, a whole new 'planet' to explore and the
art was great.

Seems a lot of you don't agree though and like your Apes pure and
unadulterated. Maybe we should have a poll on this as well?

Now if only Mike and Dave had let me draw Gideon the way I wanted.
He would have looked so cool in flares and a Kaftan ;-)

Neil

I just thought they could have come up with MUCH better stories.

Yes, Terror was OK......but it got stupid! The first few chaptes were all
right then it got trippy!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)


i didnt know that the curtis/marvel run was so controversial...

i dont say it is perfect, but i really enjoyed them and will likely enjoy
the issues i have yet to find.
true, the terror series got REALLY wacky, but it had good characters and was
never dull.
rob
oosa

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Well said Will!

In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:14:37 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> Absolutely.
>
> I don't think it would be absurd, though, to reveal (as Fox might have at
> some later stage) that it is mutant "defenses" in play.
>
> Including a thread about the missing scouts would also not be absurd.

Exactly... I'm just saying that "adding" later things into the original
PLANET is crazy... PLANET stands on it's own...

But, then again, if you were to do a "back story", like suggesting that the
Gorillas were sent into the Forbidden Zone to search for more "mutant" (i.e.
intelligent) humans as a prequel to BENEATH that'd make sense... Or to say that
the weather conditions were "illusions" in the context of a prequel to
BENEATH, that'd be ok to...

I'm just against adding to the story of PLANET to try making sense of what
came later... PLANET stands alone, BENEATH is the start of the sequels, what
happens in them starts at BENEATH, not PLANET...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:27:05 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

>
> Well said Will!

I agree 100% too....


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:30:24 PM Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

> I don't see what the problem is with expanding on something and maybe going
> in a
> totally different direction to what people were used to.

"Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring", or "Rebuilding"
is something else again, and the latter is what MARVEL did to APES, and so did
ADVENTURE...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Welcome to PotaDG...Feel free to come on in and browse around our
features...And to post...

G

And on top of all that, Serling was really the type of person who would urge
you to use your imagination before running of to a science book! Much of
the Twilight Zone was just down to "unexplainable" - nor "explainable by
science"!

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Illusions


In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:14:37 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> Absolutely.
>
> I don't think it would be absurd, though, to reveal (as Fox might have at
> some later stage) that it is mutant "defenses" in play.
>
> Including a thread about the missing scouts would also not be absurd.

Exactly... I'm just saying that "adding" later things into the original
PLANET is crazy... PLANET stands on it's own...

But, then again, if you were to do a "back story", like suggesting that the
Gorillas were sent into the Forbidden Zone to search for more "mutant" (i.e.

intelligent) humans as a prequel to BENEATH that'd make sense... Or to say
that
the weather conditions were "illusions" in the context of a prequel to
BENEATH, that'd be ok to...

I'm just against adding to the story of PLANET to try making sense of what
came later... PLANET stands alone, BENEATH is the start of the sequels, what

happens in them starts at BENEATH, not PLANET...

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

When do you want to see "Beware the
Beast" made available?

o Yesterday
o Today
o Tomorrow
o Before next week
o I don't care


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
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Thanks!

It is done!!!...Cast your vote for BtB #11, right now,
everyone...When I make a threat, it stays threatened!!...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Please do - Neil is being a total bitch! ;)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hotscheetz [HotScheetz@a...]
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast #11
>
>
> All right!...I've had enough!...And I'm sure I speak for everyone
> here!...If you don't release BtB #11 ASAP, I'm going to start a

poll

> to see how many want it!!...
> There -- consider yourselves threatened!...
>
> G

C'mon and vote people!

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New poll for PotaDG



Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

When do you want to see "Beware the
Beast" made available?

o Yesterday
o Today
o Tomorrow
o Before next week
o I don't care


To vote, please visit the following web page:
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web site listed above.

Thanks!

Kevin,

I feel like an idiot for not noticing this before (and if someone
else already wrote about this, and I missed THAT, I'll feel more
stupid), but isn't the Cornelius figure in your photos holding
the "mama" speaking doll?...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <PofTAfan@a...> wrote:
> I just got back tonight from the Con and I have found out some
news about the POTA toys from Sideshow WETA toys. I have posted two
photos from the con of the POTA toys in the photo section under
Sideshow toys.

"hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@... > wrote:

>>I always thought this way too...

In POTA the astronauts are trekking across the desert and there is the
flashing of lightning and the rumble of thunder; and later, Dodge
comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain." and "...that
strange luminosity, and yet no moon."...
By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the mutants'
and their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my
opinion, the gorilla scouts of Ursus'...<<


I too always thought that it could be the mutants, but not that they were
tormenting Ursus's scouts. It was mentioned in another post and I have to
agree: in one sense, you have to view PLANET as a stand alone movie
because there was never any plans for a sequel. HOWEVER, the stuff that
Dodge mentions above fits rather well into what happens in BENEATH. Who
knows? That scene could've given Paul Dehn the idea for the mutant's
visual hallucinations. He did say (something to the effect of) the idea
that the half-buried Statue of Liberty implied that the rest of NYC was
buried as well. I believe that's where he got (at least) part of the
original plot idea from.


Chris L.