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Group: potadg	Message: 19625	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: revenge of the planet of the apes

Group: potadg	Message: 19626	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Mego costumes

Group: potadg	Message: 19627	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: missing scouts

Group: potadg	Message: 19628	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: East/West Coast

Group: potadg	Message: 19629	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19630	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

Group: potadg	Message: 19631	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Action Figure Poll

Group: potadg	Message: 19632	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19633	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP

Group: potadg	Message: 19634	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19635	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Lake Powell

Group: potadg	Message: 19636	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: G. I. Joe in "Shore leave"

Group: potadg	Message: 19637	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: San Diego Comic-Con (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19638	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Adventure artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19639	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Marvel vs Adventure

Group: potadg	Message: 19640	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19642	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19643	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19644	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19645	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19646	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19647	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19648	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19649	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19650	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19651	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19652	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19653	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Lake Powell

Group: potadg	Message: 19654	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19655	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19656	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19657	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19658	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Illusions - Foster hopes to defeat us with ILLUSIONS!

Group: potadg	Message: 19659	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19660	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19661	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19662	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19663	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19664	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19665	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19666	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19667	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19668	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19669	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19670	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19671	From: dkoriginalart@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork is really great!

Group: potadg	Message: 19672	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Agreeing on MARVEL

Group: potadg	Message: 19673	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Mego costumes

Group: potadg	Message: 19674	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19675	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: RETURN

Group: potadg	Message: 19676	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19677	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork is really great!

Group: potadg	Message: 19678	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19679	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

Group: potadg	Message: 19680	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19681	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19682	From: Rich Handley	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070

Group: potadg	Message: 19683	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: East/West Coast

Group: potadg	Message: 19684	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19685	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

Group: potadg	Message: 19686	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Mego costumes

Group: potadg	Message: 19687	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19688	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Zira wears two outfits???

Group: potadg	Message: 19689	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

Group: potadg	Message: 19690	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: MARVEL

Group: potadg	Message: 19691	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

Group: potadg	Message: 19692	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19693	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19694	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19695	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19696	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19697	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19698	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

Group: potadg	Message: 19699	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

Group: potadg	Message: 19700	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: The Marvel debate

Group: potadg	Message: 19701	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Marvel debate (tangent)

Group: potadg	Message: 19702	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

Group: potadg	Message: 19703	From: aw_nuts_in_a_basket	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Sound clips

Group: potadg	Message: 19704	From: Chris Hight	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

Group: potadg	Message: 19705	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Sound clips

Group: potadg	Message: 19706	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

Group: potadg	Message: 19707	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Whittys POWER

Group: potadg	Message: 19708	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

Group: potadg	Message: 19709	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19710	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 19711	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

Group: potadg	Message: 19712	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP

Group: potadg	Message: 19713	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

Group: potadg	Message: 19714	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 19715	From: shanter2002	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Comics are Planet of the Apes

Group: potadg	Message: 19716	From: Mike R	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: MegoconDVD

Group: potadg	Message: 19717	From: shanter2002	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: MAD #444

Group: potadg	Message: 19718	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19719	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

Group: potadg	Message: 19720	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

Group: potadg	Message: 19721	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

Group: potadg	Message: 19722	From: simianarms	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Apes at auction ( PIH 7-04 )

Group: potadg	Message: 19723	From: PofTAfan@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Sideshow toys at San Diego Comic-con

Group: potadg	Message: 19724	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

Group: potadg	Message: 19725	From: sparkytb2005	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website

Group: potadg	Message: 19625	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: revenge of the planet of the apes

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Cool Ron! Keep us posted.

Chris L.

ron kenner <brindlepit2002@...> wrote:

>>i atempted to contact the editor of the magazine, but was unsuccessful.

since there is interest, i will renew my effort.
as for me, i think it would be a pretty neat poster.
kind of reminds me of the "lost" episodes... <<

Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>>Did you ever find anything out about this Ron? <<

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Group: potadg	Message: 19626	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Mego costumes

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Will Hoover <will5967@... > wrote:

>>And don't try and tell me it was a Mego thing!

The Star Trek Megos were pretty accurate for the most part and their
later
offerings for The Black Hole, Buck Rogers and ST:TMP were also very film
accurate. And Mego's Fonzie was not wearing pink!<<

The wife of Marty Abrams (Mego's President) was the one who designed all
the costumes. I couldn't tell you why some of them changed during the
transition from screen character to action figure, but some were pretty
close too (Zira & Cornelius especially). As far as I can remember, the
POTA series were the first non superhero film/television characters that
Marvel licensed (save for Tarzan). The costume changes could have been an
experiment that didn't work out, so when subsequent licenses were
acquired (Star Trek, Black Hole, etc), they didn't stray too far off
course.

Also, none of the Mego playsets were really featured in the films either
(though you could make an argument for the treehouse in BATTLE I
suppose)- they were just repurposed sets. And that was DEFINITELY a Mego
thing.

Tell you what: I'll ask about the costumes at the next MegoCon (please
remind me Greg!). ;-)

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19627	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: missing scouts

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Depends on how you view the background events i.e. why the scouts started
going out there in the first place. If, as was mentioned in the original
BENEATH screenplay (in the sauna room scene but also lost during the
editing), the Ape Society was facing famine and the gorilla scouts were
looking for "new, improved, feeding grounds", they could have been going
out there well in advance of, or during, his arrival. If Zaius (and the
powers that be) were looking for the oft-referred to "jungle beyond the
Forbidden Zone" to explain the appearance of Taylor, it'd have to be
after he arrived.

Chris L.

Mithril1960@... wrote:

>>Couldn't the scouts have begun disappearing while/before/during Taylors

arrival?

Chris lawford42@... wrote:

>> the appearance of Taylor, the disappearance of the 11 scouts, <<

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Group: potadg	Message: 19628	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: East/West Coast

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"James" <JamesA1102@... > wrote:

>>Washington DC is over 200 miles from NYC. To walking in three days a

person would have to walk at least 67 miles per day. Doing so in
desert conditions is not really possible. <<

Was there any mention in the original screen treatment for BATTLE of land
mass shifting or anything of that nature?

>>Also DC does not have a Governor but a Mayor.

While the city is Conquest/Battle may not be NYC it may be somewhere
close by like Newark which is just across the river from New York
and connected by many underground tunnels. <<

That makes sense. The more I think about it, the more possibilities
arise. In one sense, it could be NYC because in both PLANET and BATTLE,
the trip took three days. And the cave in PLANET was certainly in
proximity to some of NYC. You'd just think that in CONQUEST, there'd be
some reference to it being a major metropolis like NYC. Of course, we
again can only wonder what was left on the cutting room floor.

Something else just occurred to me as well. The original screenplay for
BENEATH also had Taylor initially finding the ruins of Manhattan (and the
things that started happening i.e. wall of flames, earthquake, kept
blocking his approach. I believe these were the same ruins that the
Gorilla Army came upon later in the film.

I'm only bringing this up as another point of reference for the three day
journey between Ape Society and the remains of human civilization.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19629	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

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I'm proud to say that I was the first person to vote 'Before Next Week'.
I mean, we have to give Neil a little breathing room to get everything
done. :-)

Chris L.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

When do you want to see "Beware the
Beast" made available?

o Yesterday
o Today
o Tomorrow
o Before next week
o I don't care

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Group: potadg	Message: 19630	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

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"Chris Lawless" <lawford42@... > wrote:

>> ...And man, did I end up with a lot of duplicate issues that I don't

need. <<

"Alan Maxwell" <alan@...> wrote:

>>Keep 'em - once the next issue of Scrolls comes out, I'll win over the

whole of Ape fandom and people will be queuing up to complete their
collection!<<

That's right- you are writing that overview article. I certainly hope it
inspires some interest, because there's been almost no response thus far.
The thing is, the minute I dump them off on eBay, I'll get 15 inquiries.

Alan (again):

>>Which limited edition (APE NATION) is this? I think there were actually

three,
although two of them seem to be rarer.<<

I had no idea there was more than one limited edition of the first issue
of Ape Nation. How do I tell which is which? Mine has a painted cover and
a designation number across the top (i.e. No. XXXX). I don't know how
many were made (1000 maybe?), but the one I'm keeping for my collection
has the same layout (but a higher number).

>>"The Only Good Human is a Dead Human" as the title translates into

English. I've got a copy, but I'm afraid it's a keeper (it sits nicely
next to a Spanish PotA book I've got)!<<

Can't say I blame you there. What's the other Spanish POTA book you have
about?

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19631	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Action Figure Poll

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Menluth menluth@... wrote:

>>Well, we've only had seven members voting in the Sideshow Toys

action figure poll, but the results are already starting to look
interesting. It would be nice to have the other 196 members vote
too! Have a look at the Polls section, accessible from our main page.<<

I just added my input. Seems like BENEATH, BATTLE, and the TV series are
mostly favored. What strikes me as interesting, especially, is the two
movies. They're the two that are most often looked down upon. Not
necessarily here, but I've read plenty of disses about them over the
years.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19632	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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"James" <JamesA1102@... > wrote:

>>First, welcome back Chris. You were away far too long.<<

Thank you. Funny how I ended up taking the whole thing (not just the DG,
but internet access as well)for granted until I DIDN'T HAVE IT FOR ALMOST
A MONTH! Oy!!

>>You make a very convincing case. Just to play devil's advocate there

are a few things you may want to consider.

Zira refers to Cornelius as her fiance early in Planet, but not at
the end of the film. It is possible that their wedding took place
sometime during Planet such as in the weeks between Taylor's escape
attempt and trial.<<

I hadn't thought of that before. I guess this would fall into character
speculation. Do you think they would get married during all the turmoil
that was happening? If they had gotten married, I would have almost
expected it to be referred somewhere in the film (at the trial, or when
Zaius is talking to Taylor afterwards). Though it not being mentioned
doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.

>>Also, since Zaius suspected early on that Taylor came from a jungle

beyond the Forbidden Zone, it is possible that Ursus did too and was
sending the scouts into the FZ long before the end of Planet.<<

That's probably the best explanation I've read for the scouts being sent
into the FZ to begin with. It was "forbidden" after all...

>>In Beneath their is no mention of C&Zs trial having taken place.

They could still be awaiting trial when the events of that film take
place. It would also give them additional motivation to go with Dr.
Milo knowing that they still faced a prison term for heresy. <<

In the original screenplay I believe it was. Take a look on page 42 of
the novelization (based on the final shooting scripts as far as I can
tell)- it's all right there. Now, I don't have my Marvel Comics
adaptation or BENEATH screenplays near me, but I'm pretty sure mention of
the trial (and C & Z's agreement to remain silent in exchange for the
charges being dismissed) are in there as well- can anyone confirm this?
As with so many other scenes in BENEATH, a lot of the subtext was lost
during the editing process.

C'mon people- James can't be the only one who has an opinion on this.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19633	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP

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Not sure who wrote this:

>>One of my favorites of Jerry's is "Logan's Run". Jerry did well to

introduce electronic music without it sounding like electronic music.
I think he was the first to mix orchestra music with this
contemporary music that was still in its infancy.<<

Gil Melle did this as well in the early 70s. I also believe he delivered
the first ever complete electronic film score with the Andromeda Strain.

BTW, since there are so many Goldsmith fans here, does anyone know what
the *definitive* version of the Logan's Run soundtrack is? I have one
that was released on the Bay Cities label in the mid 90s, and there's one
on amazon.com released in 1992 on the Dead Line label (selling for $100
no less), but wasn't there one or two releases since then?

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19634	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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I'm with Neil and John on this. There's a whole big Planet out there to
be explored (before it's gets blown up anyway...). Doug Moench was and
always be a very strong storyteller- especially in terms of
characterization and ongoing plot narrative.

Chris L.

"Neil" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>>John I totally agree with everything you've said here (well maybe

not Sutton, but then that is down to personal taste) I don't see
what the problem is with expanding on something and maybe going in a
totally different direction to what people were used to.

There is nothing wrong with having the characters wearing different
clothes etc. than they did in the films. I loved the whole Terror
story and idea, especially the brilliant art of mike ploog (my hero!)

So what if these stories and art didn't stick exactly to the films,
they were something extra, a whole new 'planet' to explore and the
art was great.<<

"shanter2002" <mail@...> wrote:

>> The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.In fact,

most of the Marvel run was characterised by its high quality.Doug
Moench scripted a whole new world of Apes with 'Terror', 'Future
History Chronicle', Derek Zane etc,and ADDED to the joy of the first
five films with his excellent adaptations.The artists on these
strips read like menu of comics greats, including Ploog, Alcala,
Trimpe, Hannigan,Sutton, Rival.Some of the covers on the US Mag are
as good as any painted covers anywhere, any time.I get a bit
defensive when people put down the Marvel run because from 1974 to
1977 this mag was an absolute joy for Apes fans. <<

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Group: potadg	Message: 19635	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Re: Lake Powell

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libraryape <Willowape@...> wrote:

>> I hate to empty your bathwater guys, but Lake Powell probably no

longer exist. Due to the lack of water (the drought in the southwest)
and the protest of environmentalist, the dam was to be disassembled. <<

What dam?

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19636	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: G. I. Joe in "Shore leave"

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"ape_mom" < sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>> Oh well. I've dressed more Barbies in my day than most people,

having played with them myself for many years -- then with my kids.
I don't suppose this would ape-peal to you guys, huh? <<

Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...>

>>I haven't dressed many Barbies, but I undressed plenty of my sisters'

Barbies in my youth.

How else was G.I. Joe to procreate with them?? <<

HA!!!!! Was there any boy ever that didn't torment his sister by doing
this? Evil little SOB that I was, I always left them that way for her to
discover. And G.I. Joe was still there when she found them...

GO JOE!!!!!

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19637	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: San Diego Comic-Con (OT)

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Did you come across anything interesting about Cartoon Network's Adult
Swim programming.

In case any of you don't know what I'm talking about, tune in any night
Sun-Thurs at midnight and watch Aqua Teen Hunger Force. You'll be forever
changed...

Chris L.

PofTAfan@... wrote:

<<I voted..and I also went to the San diego comic-con. Can't wait for my
POTA figures to come in.<<

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Group: potadg	Message: 19638	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Adventure artwork

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Will Hoover <will5967@...> wrote:

>>the POTA Adventure comic that I looked through when

it was first released back in the '90s absolutely did not appeal to me on
any level whatsoever. What I saw did not have photo realistic looking
apes
the way they were portrayed in the film series.<<

That was a problem throughout most of the different series they
published. Occasionally some of the covers features apes that looked
similar to how they were portrayed in the film, but you didn't get much
past that.

And I've got the multiple issues to prove it!! ;-)

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19639	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/29/2004
Subject: Marvel vs Adventure

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mlccougar@... wrote:

>>"Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring", or

"Rebuilding"
is something else again, and the latter is what MARVEL did to APES, and
so did
ADVENTURE... <<

True, but at least the Marvel stories were well written and enjoyable to
read even if they did tale liberties with the story. With the exception
of 'Urchak's Folly' & 'Blood of the Apes', Adventure didn't even have
that going for them.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19640	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

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Dude - he's DONE it! BTB is FINISHED.....you just gotta beg and you'll SEE
the next chapter!

Go back and vote a again!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New poll for PotaDG

I'm proud to say that I was the first person to vote 'Before Next Week'.
I mean, we have to give Neil a little breathing room to get everything
done. :-)

Chris L.

Group: potadg	Message: 19642	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:27:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> >
> > Well said Will!
>
> I agree 100% too....

I find it slightly amusing that you both agree 100% with someone who
stated that he hasn't even read the Marvel magazines.

neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19643	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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I think the mention of the weather was to:

(1) show it is NOT earth (or at least what we know earth to be);

(2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 12:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Illusions

"hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> wrote:

>>I always thought this way too...

In POTA the astronauts are trekking across the desert and there is the
flashing of lightning and the rumble of thunder; and later, Dodge
comments upon "Thunder and lightning, and yet no rain." and "...that
strange luminosity, and yet no moon."...
By extrapolating (and it is only guesswork) that this is the mutants'
and their illusions, they must be "combatting" someone -- in my
opinion, the gorilla scouts of Ursus'...<<

I too always thought that it could be the mutants, but not that they were
tormenting Ursus's scouts. It was mentioned in another post and I have to
agree: in one sense, you have to view PLANET as a stand alone movie
because there was never any plans for a sequel. HOWEVER, the stuff that
Dodge mentions above fits rather well into what happens in BENEATH. Who
knows? That scene could've given Paul Dehn the idea for the mutant's
visual hallucinations. He did say (something to the effect of) the idea
that the half-buried Statue of Liberty implied that the rest of NYC was
buried as well. I believe that's where he got (at least) part of the
original plot idea from.

Group: potadg	Message: 19644	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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I don't pay you to have opinions....now go to the poll! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:27:05 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> >
> > Well said Will!
>
> I agree 100% too....

I find it slightly amusing that you both agree 100% with someone who
stated that he hasn't even read the Marvel magazines.

neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19645	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring",

or "Rebuilding" is something else again, and the latter is what
MARVEL did to APES, and so did ADVENTURE...

And why is that such a bad thing? My view is that it is perfectly
okay if done well.

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19646	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Black and White fartwork

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That's it - you're all fired! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 2:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

I'm with Neil and John on this. There's a whole big Planet out there to
be explored (before it's gets blown up anyway...). Doug Moench was and
always be a very strong storyteller- especially in terms of
characterization and ongoing plot narrative.

Chris L.

Group: potadg	Message: 19647	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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Right,

But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant apes, dudes
with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah!

You have been taking FAR too many hoota beans, Foster! Your brain is
twisted!

Now go and watch Mystic River!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring",
or "Rebuilding" is something else again, and the latter is what
MARVEL did to APES, and so did ADVENTURE...

And why is that such a bad thing? My view is that it is perfectly
okay if done well.

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19648	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I think the mention of the weather was to:
> (2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed.

What? like massive land movements and shifts?

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19649	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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To a degree, of course.

But don't tell me the East Coast and the West Coast have been traded....

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Illusions

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I think the mention of the weather was to:
> (2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed.

What? like massive land movements and shifts?

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19650	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I don't pay you to have opinions....now go to the poll! ;)

Why would I want to? I've already seen it!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19651	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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Get to work or I'll dock you.

I said DOCK...calm down!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I don't pay you to have opinions....now go to the poll! ;)

Why would I want to? I've already seen it!! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha...

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19652	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant

apes, dudes with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah!

Aww come on Michael, it WAS Marvel! it WAS the mid seventies! what
more did you expect?

Which story had giant apes??

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19653	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Lake Powell

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U all to hell!

Hahahahahhah!!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 11:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Lake Powell

libraryape <Willowape@...> wrote:

>> I hate to empty your bathwater guys, but Lake Powell probably no

longer exist. Due to the lack of water (the drought in the southwest)
and the protest of environmentalist, the dam was to be disassembled. <<

What dam?

Group: potadg	Message: 19654	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> That's it - you're all fired! ;)

Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

p.s I'm with Neil, John & Chris. How can anyone critiscize something they
haven't seen? Don't judge a book by its cover.

Dave

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Group: potadg	Message: 19655	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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Return! You know - the one we were talking about doing a COLORING BOOK for
that would be much like to others on Hunter's site...same style etc...???

And you thought you were out of work!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant

apes, dudes with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah!

Aww come on Michael, it WAS Marvel! it WAS the mid seventies! what
more did you expect?

Which story had giant apes??

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19656	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> To a degree, of course.
>
> But don't tell me the East Coast and the West Coast have been

traded....

I didn't

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19657	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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I have seen it!

NOw - I didn't say YOU were fired Dave - you need to help me trace over
screen grabs for the next comic..."Whitty lands on the Planet of the Apes -
which is what made that crater!".

Try to make me handsome!

Whitty

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave B [smugster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White fartwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> That's it - you're all fired! ;)

Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

p.s I'm with Neil, John & Chris. How can anyone critiscize something they
haven't seen? Don't judge a book by its cover.

Dave

Group: potadg	Message: 19658	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Illusions - Foster hopes to defeat us with ILLUSIONS!

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No, YOU are!

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:54 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Illusions

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> To a degree, of course.
>
> But don't tell me the East Coast and the West Coast have been

traded....

I didn't

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19659	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Return!

I thought we were talking about the Marvel mags? now I'm even more
confused than usual! ;-)

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19660	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"

<Michael.Whitty@d...>

> wrote:
> > That's it - you're all fired! ;)
>
> Yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!

And there was much rejoicing! ;-D

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19661	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> NOw - I didn't say YOU were fired Dave

Boooooooo!!!!

Dave

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Group: potadg	Message: 19662	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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That's not possible Neil - unless you are taking drugs again...but wouldn't
that confuse you so much you ended up seeing REALITY?

I was actually talking about the SPIRIT of POTA - or at least my
interpretation of it.

I think Return got goofy too, as did the Marvels....and as I said some would
say the same of the movies and TV Show...(I think the POMS like the TV
Show!).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Return!

I thought we were talking about the Marvel mags? now I'm even more
confused than usual! ;-)

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19663	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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Sorry, sorry, I just get carried away sometimes.

"You killed the bridesmaid!"

Sorry...sorry everyone.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave B [smugster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White fartwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> NOw - I didn't say YOU were fired Dave

Boooooooo!!!!

Dave

Group: potadg	Message: 19664	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I have seen it!

We know that Michael but the point was that Will who originally had
a go at the magazines said he hadn't.

Now I suppose you want me to ink over those winged monkey demons I
drew in the last chapter of 'Beast' then?

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19665	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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Seriously though - it is hard to explain.

If POTA is to progress and be taken in by a new generation, I think it needs
a re-vamp and to be made relevant to today's youth (and adults) as it was
when it was released.

The issues then are all covered: racism, freedom, and the future of mankind
(amongst others).

Nuclear war is there and today I think we would be more concerned about
terroroism and germ warfare.

But the key is to somehow keep the soul and spirit of POTA alive - and then
you need to relise that this is something fans constantly disagree about
too!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 3:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring",
or "Rebuilding" is something else again, and the latter is what
MARVEL did to APES, and so did ADVENTURE...

And why is that such a bad thing? My view is that it is perfectly
okay if done well.

Neil

Group: potadg	Message: 19666	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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Will was generalising - and he fed your ego, so apologise now!

The winged monkeys are for the sequel - "Beware the Wizard of Aus".

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White fartwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I have seen it!

Group: potadg	Message: 19667	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White fartwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Will was generalising - and he fed your ego, so apologise now!

No. I didn't get the impression from his post that he
was 'generalising' when he was putting down the Marvel mags. Care to
clear this up Will?

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19668	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: New poll for PotaDG

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Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

What kind of POTA comic strip stories would
you like to see produced?

o �fill in the blanks� Stories that deal with the gaps in existing continuity. That deal with established characters and situations but try not to �upset� anything already laid down. (For example Marvel�s bridge between Conquest and Battle)
o �meanwhile not so far away� Stories that deal with NEW characters but work within a well established framework (For example Beware the beast)
o ��Cross-overs� Stories that combine characters and situations from another franchise with that of POTA (For example Ape-Nation)
o �Flights of fancy� Stories that ignore existing rules and continuity and just go for it. (For example most of the adventure comics)
o What if - Alternate universe stories that use existing characters and situations but asks what if? (For example What if Jonesy had lived? What if the Alpha Omega bomb had been a dud?)

To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/surveys?id=1501482

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.

Thanks!

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Group: potadg	Message: 19669	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Seriously though - it is hard to explain.

If POTA is to progress and be taken in by a new generation, I think
it needs a re-vamp and to be made relevant to today's youth (and
adults) as it was when it was released.

Like a re-imagining? ;-)

>The issues then are all covered: racism, freedom, and the future

of mankind(amongst others).
Nuclear war is there and today I think we would be more concerned
about terroroism and germ warfare.
But the key is to somehow keep the soul and spirit of POTA alive -
and then you need to relise that this is something fans constantly
disagree about too!

Damn! And here was me just wanting to draw talking monkeys. ;-)

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19670	From: Whitty, Michael	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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A well done re-imagining...YES!

But a crappy story and stupid looking apes - NAH!

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 4:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Seriously though - it is hard to explain.

If POTA is to progress and be taken in by a new generation, I think
it needs a re-vamp and to be made relevant to today's youth (and
adults) as it was when it was released.

Like a re-imagining? ;-)

>The issues then are all covered: racism, freedom, and the future

Group: potadg	Message: 19671	From: dkoriginalart@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork is really great!

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In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:23:15 PM Central Standard Time,
mail@... writes:
Will, as Gunpowder Julius would say,'Them's fighting words you ornery
critter!'.The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.In
fact, most of the Marvel run was characterised by its high
quality.Doug Moench scripted a whole new world of Apes
with 'Terror', 'Future History Chronicle', Derek Zane etc,and ADDED
to the joy of the first five films with his excellent adaptations.The
artists on these strips read like menu of comics greats, including
Ploog, Alcala, Trimpe, Hannigan,Sutton, Rival.Some of the covers on
the US Mag are as good as any painted covers anywhere, any time.I get
a bit defensive when people put down the Marvel run because from 1974
to 1977 this mag was an absolute joy for Apes fans.Even the article
features were excellent and Apes more than holds its own with any
similar genre mag published then or since.Personally, I think that
Marvel managed to catch magic in a bottle with its Apes mags and they
will always be a big part of my Apes world.I would say that any Apes
fan who ignores these mags is missing out.And yes, BtB IS SUPERB AS
WELL! John, Scrolls.

Hey gang, these Ape stories are really great, and I have 10 TOM SUTTON Pages
on my site and would sell any of them at $100 each if anyone is interested.
Oversized art is harder to find so please take a look atthese gems...

Thanks
Dave

www.davekarlenoriginalart.com

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Group: potadg	Message: 19672	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Agreeing on MARVEL

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 12:34:55 AM Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

> I find it slightly amusing that you both agree 100% with someone who stated
> that he hasn't even read the Marvel magazines.

I agreed with the statement(s) that were made as far as wanting the original
appearance of APES kept intact, and that (we'd) like any APES stories also
kept in the same context.

The story that you and Ballard are doing falls into this catagory: BEWARE THE
BEAST has the original "look" to it and it does not stray far from the
"guidelines" set down in PLANET/BENEATH... I don't see the character of Gideon
suddenly falling upon a civilization that is lead by brains in jars... He's not
dealing with a pocket of apes that are in the equivalent of Sherwood forest...
The humans aren't driving around the country selling goods off the back of an
old wagon with a peon ape as their companion. There are no Viking apes and no
"half human/half apes" either... Etc., etc.

BTB has the right "look" to it... Your Gideon has the look of an ape from
BENEATH... The humans look like they're ready for a cornfield round-up... The
Forbidden Zone has the right deserted look to it... My only problem with the way
you drew Gideon is that he probably should have been drawn without the glyphs
on his gloves (they might have been better on an ammo sling like the Hunt
Leader) and he should have been wearing an ammo bandolier, not a waist belt.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19673	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Mego costumes

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 12:39:14 AM Central Standard Time,
lawford42@... writes:

> I couldn't tell you why some of them changed during the transition from
> screen character to action figure, but some were pretty close too (Zira &
> Cornelius especially).

It's not so much that the costumes themselves changed, it's the
colorization(s) changing that I think was wrong...

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Group: potadg	Message: 19674	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 12:47:14 AM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant apes, dudes
> with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah

Agreed...

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Group: potadg	Message: 19675	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: RETURN

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 1:07:05 AM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> I think Return got goofy too...

It did get way too "goofy"... But I'll say that under all the un-Ape stuff in
that series, the underlying plotline itself was good... If someone was to
take the plot of that series and set it in the world of 3978/3955 you'd might
have something there... Just take the plot(s) and make them similar in look,
setting, etc. to the first film and the first sequel, and it'd be cool then...

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Group: potadg	Message: 19676	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 1:24:04 AM Central Standard Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

> What kind of POTA comic strip stories would you like to see produced?
>
> A: "Fill in the blanks" Stories that deal with the gaps in existing
> continuity. That deal with established characters and situations but try not to '
> upset' anything already laid down. (For example Marvel's bridge between
> Conquest and Battle)
> B: "Meanwhile not so far away" Stories that deal with NEW characters but
> work within a well established framework (For example "Beware the Beast")

Since you can only vote for one in the poll, I am voting here and saying that
both "A" and "B" are acceptable.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19677	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork is really great!

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 1:30:56 AM Central Standard Time,
dkoriginalart@... writes:

> Hey gang, these Ape stories are really great, and I have 10 TOM SUTTON
> Pages
> on my site and would sell any of them at $100 each if anyone is interested.
> Oversized art is harder to find so please take a look at these gems...
>
> Thanks
> Dave
>
> www.davekarlenoriginalart.com

While the stuff you're selling here may be of interest as far as it's
"historical" place in Apes comic history, I didn't think this group was supposed to
be an advertisement to sell things... Neither is that other group, and I think
your "ad" which ran there was the last post to it...

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Group: potadg	Message: 19678	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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I think it seems pretty obvious that Zauis, Cornelius and Zira have
patched things up by "Beneath". Maybe they reached a deal where the chimps
would keep their mouths shut and continue to be productive members of
society (Cornelius tries to keep Zira in line in "Beneath") in exchange for
no heresy trial. In fact, Zauis keeps the city in their charge when he goes
off into the Forbidden Zone.
In terms of continuity, it's 3955 when Brent lands (apparently soon after
Nova loses Taylor) and it's still 3955 when Earth is destroyed (according to
the NASA scientists). - - - Jeff

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Group: potadg	Message: 19679	From: Dave B	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> My only problem with the way
> you drew Gideon is that he probably should have been drawn without the

glyphs

> on his gloves (they might have been better on an ammo sling like the Hunt=

> Leader) and he should have been wearing an ammo bandolier, not a waist

belt.

Neil drew Gideon the way I described him...

"Gideon steps out of hiding and this is our first chance to get a good look=
at
him. He's not military or police so small liberties can be taken with the u=
niform
- Note; Gideon also carries a pistol in a holster by his side this will s=
ee some
action later in the story. "

The descision to make him a little different and thus UNIQUE was a delibera=
te
one - there was no 'probably should have been' about it. I'm flabbergasted =

that this could cause anyone a 'problem' .

Dave

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Group: potadg	Message: 19680	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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In a message dated 7/30/2004 6:00:14 AM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> I think it seems pretty obvious that Zauis, Cornelius and Zira have
> patched things up by "Beneath". Maybe they reached a deal where the chimps
> would keep their mouths shut and continue to be productive members of
> society (Cornelius tries to keep Zira in line in "Beneath") in exchange for
> no heresy trial. In fact, Zauis keeps the city in their charge when he goes
> off into the Forbidden Zone.

I agree with all of this... And he did make a deal with them to "keep their
mouths shut in exchange for their freedom" (it is referred to in the novel and
the Marvel adaption too...)

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Group: potadg	Message: 19681	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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Very true. Each film was done with no thought of a sequel. But each
sequel built on seeds that were planted in the prior film. In
Beneath Zira says "when our child is born" suggesting that she is
pregnant. Also, there is no indication of C&Z leaving in Beneath.
But their complete absence from the latter half of the film makes
Escape possible.

Thus, while Serling & Wilson never intended for the lighting or
falling rocks to be anything more than indicators of how strange and
mysterious the planet was, Dehn took those seeds and built the
mutant illusions. Is it fan invention and speculation? Of course it
is and cannot be considered canon. Does it change the overall story
Serling & Wilson were telling in any major way? No it doesn't. At
least I don't think is does.

Please feel free to disagree with me.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:
> "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
>
>
> I too always thought that it could be the mutants, but not that
they were
> tormenting Ursus's scouts. It was mentioned in another post and I
have to
> agree: in one sense, you have to view PLANET as a stand alone movie
> because there was never any plans for a sequel. HOWEVER, the stuff
that
> Dodge mentions above fits rather well into what happens in
BENEATH. Who
> knows? That scene could've given Paul Dehn the idea for the
mutant's
> visual hallucinations. He did say (something to the effect of) the
idea
> that the half-buried Statue of Liberty implied that the rest of
NYC was
> buried as well. I believe that's where he got (at least) part of
the
> original plot idea from.
>
>
> Chris L.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 19682	From: Rich Handley	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070

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>From: "Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...>
>But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant apes,

Mike... Mike.... we're talking about a series of films in which human-sized
chimpanzees walk upright, speak English and engage in intelligent discourse
about time travel and other scientific theories... where mutant humans have
developed psychic powers and worship an atomic bomb... and you find the
idea of a giant ape unrealistic? :)

>dudes with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah!

As opposed to, say, pizza-faced mutants who hide behind Halloween masks of
attractiveness?

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Group: potadg	Message: 19683	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: East/West Coast

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

> Was there any mention in the original screen treatment for BATTLE

of land

> mass shifting or anything of that nature?

Not that I recall. Both Dehn's and the Corrington's treatments for
Battle are available on Hunter's site if you wish to look yourself.

>
> That makes sense. The more I think about it, the more possibilities
> arise. In one sense, it could be NYC because in both PLANET and

BATTLE,

> the trip took three days. And the cave in PLANET was certainly in
> proximity to some of NYC. You'd just think that in CONQUEST,

there'd be

> some reference to it being a major metropolis like NYC. Of course,

> again can only wonder what was left on the cutting room floor.

I believe the concept for Conquest was that it was a generic 'city
of the future'. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

What's interesting and this is in no way cannon, the promotional
Herald for Conquest refers to the city as Megalopolis in the
masthead which is followed by 10044 which is a NYC zip code. The
cover of the Herald is available on the Conquest One Sheet page of
the internal site, take a look.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19684	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

>
> I hadn't thought of that before. I guess this would fall into

character

> speculation. Do you think they would get married during all the

turmoil

> that was happening? If they had gotten married, I would have almost
> expected it to be referred somewhere in the film (at the trial, or

when

> Zaius is talking to Taylor afterwards). Though it not being

mentioned

> doesn't necessarily mean it didn't happen.

True there is no line in Planet to indicate it happened and it is
pure speculation. If not for them being married in Beneath there
wouldn't even be the speculation. But consider two things. First to
answer your question, what if the date of the wedding had been set
long before Taylor arrived. Second, does C&Z being married in the
second half of Planet intrinsically change their overall
relationship or the story being told in Planet.

>
>
> >>Also, since Zaius suspected early on that Taylor came from a

jungle

> beyond the Forbidden Zone, it is possible that Ursus did too and

was

> sending the scouts into the FZ long before the end of Planet.<<
>
> That's probably the best explanation I've read for the scouts

being sent

> into the FZ to begin with. It was "forbidden" after all...
>
>
> >>In Beneath their is no mention of C&Zs trial having taken place.
> They could still be awaiting trial when the events of that film

take

> place. It would also give them additional motivation to go with

Dr.

> Milo knowing that they still faced a prison term for heresy. <<
>
> In the original screenplay I believe it was. Take a look on page

42 of

> the novelization (based on the final shooting scripts as far as I

can

> tell)- it's all right there. Now, I don't have my Marvel Comics
> adaptation or BENEATH screenplays near me, but I'm pretty sure

mention of

> the trial (and C & Z's agreement to remain silent in exchange for

the

> charges being dismissed) are in there as well- can anyone confirm

this?

> As with so many other scenes in BENEATH, a lot of the subtext was

lost

> during the editing process.
>
> C'mon people- James can't be the only one who has an opinion on

this.

>
>
> Chris L.
>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 19685	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Illusions

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I've always felt that the strange weather in the FZ during the astronauts trek served not only to give the area a feeling of menace as well as desolation, but the cloud cover and lightning in the evenings served to prevent Taylor, Dodge and Landon from seeing the stars in the night sky, which would have told them pretty quickly that they were back on Earth.

Greg P.

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
I think the mention of the weather was to:

(1) show it is NOT earth (or at least what we know earth to be);

(2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19686	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Mego costumes

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Actually, it was Mr. Abrams mother who designed the costumes. Changes were made based on availability of materials, and sometimes materials had to be changed if what they had been using became unavailable (which probably explains why there are so many variations on the Soldier Ape tunics).

Mr. Abrams did say at the con that they tried to be as faithful to the costumes as costs and available materials allowed, as they knew kids were sharp enough to notice when the costumes weren't right. When he said this he was talking about the super-hero costumes, but I'd imagine it applied equally to all of the licensed properties.

Greg P.

Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
The wife of Marty Abrams (Mego's President) was the one who designed all
the costumes. I couldn't tell you why some of them changed during the
transition from screen character to action figure, but some were pretty
close too (Zira & Cornelius especially). As far as I can remember, the
POTA series were the first non superhero film/television characters that
Marvel licensed (save for Tarzan). The costume changes could have been an
experiment that didn't work out, so when subsequent licenses were
acquired (Star Trek, Black Hole, etc), they didn't stray too far off
course.

Also, none of the Mego playsets were really featured in the films either
(though you could make an argument for the treehouse in BATTLE I
suppose)- they were just repurposed sets. And that was DEFINITELY a Mego
thing.

Tell you what: I'll ask about the costumes at the next MegoCon (please
remind me Greg!). ;-)

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19687	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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I forgot about the reference in the screenplay and it sounds like
the most logical explaination. However, since it didn't make the
final cut if anyone wanted to do a story exploring a different
scenario, it wouldn't violate canon. At least not in my opinion.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> >
> > In the original screenplay I believe it was. Take a look on page
> 42 of
> > the novelization (based on the final shooting scripts as far as
I
> can
> > tell)- it's all right there. Now, I don't have my Marvel Comics
> > adaptation or BENEATH screenplays near me, but I'm pretty sure
> mention of
> > the trial (and C & Z's agreement to remain silent in exchange
for
> the
> > charges being dismissed) are in there as well- can anyone
confirm
> this?
> > As with so many other scenes in BENEATH, a lot of the subtext
was
> lost
> > during the editing process.
> >

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Group: potadg	Message: 19688	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Zira wears two outfits???

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on 7/29/04 1:12 PM, ape_mom at sand_hill_school@... wrote:

I think I may have misunderstood the question, Wendy, but this is the
reply I got from Brian Penikas at Apemania when I asked him about the
differences in the costumes...

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Group: potadg	Message: 19689	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

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on 7/29/04 2:20 PM, shanter2002 at mail@... wrote:

Will, as Gunpowder Julius would say,'Them's fighting words you ornery
critter!'.The Marvel stuff 'crap'!? I respectfully beg to differ.In
fact, most of the Marvel run was characterised by its high
quality.Doug Moench scripted a whole new world of Apes
with 'Terror', 'Future History Chronicle', Derek Zane etc,and ADDED
to the joy of the first five films with his excellent adaptations.The
artists on these strips read like menu of comics greats, including
Ploog, Alcala, Trimpe, Hannigan,Sutton, Rival.Some of the covers on
the US Mag are as good as any painted covers anywhere, any time.I get
a bit defensive when people put down the Marvel run because from 1974
to 1977 this mag was an absolute joy for Apes fans.Even the article
features were excellent and Apes more than holds its own with any
similar genre mag published then or since.Personally, I think that
Marvel managed to catch magic in a bottle with its Apes mags and they
will always be a big part of my Apes world.I would say that any Apes
fan who ignores these mags is missing out.And yes, BtB IS SUPERB AS
WELL! John, Scrolls.

Well, Mr. Scrolls, I guess you've got me there! Or do you? I NEVER said
that ANY of your comments weren't true because, in fact, I just don't know
one way or the other because I've never actually read the Marvel stuff. ALL
I said, was that I find SOME of the Marvel covers disturbing and accurately
described three of the more absurd looking ones. MOST of the others are top
quality, so I agree with you on that point in particular.

Further, if you say the film adaptations are "excellent" then I can only
breathe a sigh of relief and I'm pleased as punch to have the info so that I
can now begin a quest to aquire those issues that were adaptations of the
films. HOWEVER, I will say it again, I am FREAKED OUT by Chimps wearing
buckskins and coon skin caps, gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking armor
AND fat bellied gorillas wearing loin cloths and primitive necklaces. To
me, that is CRAP!!! and it AIN'T Planet of the Apes! It's something else...
like... I don't know... POTA 2001!!! If you want to see ape characters
wearing bizarre clothing that does NOT fit in in any way, shape or form with
the original five POTA films or the TV series then more power to ya! Just
don't call it Planet of the Apes, Mister!

I'm glad you enjoyed the Marvel run. If I ever get a chance to read them, I
might enjoy the books too. All I'm saying is that if the Marvel comics were
actually film accurate, they sure didn't always depict it on the covers and
a cover, my friend (if you're not too "defensive" for me to still call you
that...), is what actually SELLS (or doesn't sell...) a freek'n comic!

Anyway, we agree that BtB is a superb POTA comic!

Respectfully,

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19690	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: MARVEL

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on 7/29/04 6:19 PM, mlccougar@... at mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:23:03 PM Central Standard Time,
mail@... writes:

> Even the article features were excellent...

These articles, along with the adaptions, are the only thing that make the
magazine any good in my opinion... I mean all the rest of the stories are
called
Apes stories, when in reality the stories just have Apes in them just for
the
sake of having Apes in them... They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA...

"They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA..."

Praise the Lawgiver! MLCougar, I couldn't have said it any better myself!
Now THAT is what I'm talking about! Again, if you want to see talking ape
characters wearing bizarre clothing that does NOT fit in in any way, shape
or form with the original five POTA films or the TV series then more power
to ya! Just don't call it Planet of the Apes, Mister! The name is already
taken!

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19691	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

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on 7/29/04 6:48 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

That's right- you are writing that overview article. I certainly hope it
inspires some interest, because there's been almost no response thus far.
The thing is, the minute I dump them off on eBay, I'll get 15 inquiries.

I had no idea there was more than one limited edition of the first issue
of Ape Nation. How do I tell which is which? Mine has a painted cover and
a designation number across the top (i.e. No. XXXX). I don't know how
many were made (1000 maybe?), but the one I'm keeping for my collection
has the same layout (but a higher number).

Can't say I blame you there. What's the other Spanish POTA book you have
about?

Chris L.

Chris:

If somebody can give me more info about the overall quality of the mags, I
might be interested in some of them. As I have said before though, I won't
just buy anything that has Planet of the Apes plastered on it. I want
quality! Like... BtB!

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19692	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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on 7/29/04 6:48 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Well said Will!

Thanks Whitty! You're the best!

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19693	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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on 7/29/04 7:05 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I respectfully agree with Will John! SORRY!

Whitty...

I love you man!

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19694	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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on 7/29/04 7:44 PM, mlccougar@... at mlccougar@... wrote:

In a message dated 7/29/2004 7:30:24 PM Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

> I don't see what the problem is with expanding on something and maybe going
> in a
> totally different direction to what people were used to.

"Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring", or "Rebuilding"
is something else again, and the latter is what MARVEL did to APES, and so
did
ADVENTURE...

EXACTLY!!!

If you want to monkey with POTA then don't call it something else. Call it
"This is NOT Planet of the Apes" or... "Another Planet of the Apes"... or
"We have Talking Apes on Our Planet Too!"

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19695	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure artwork

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on 7/29/04 9:57 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

Will Hoover <will5967@...> wrote:

>>the POTA Adventure comic that I looked through when

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Group: potadg	Message: 19696	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

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I assume the first choice would include the continuing adventures of
Galen, Burke and Virdon. If not, I would add it as a choice.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> PotaDG group:
>
> What kind of POTA comic strip stories would
> you like to see produced?
>
> o "fill in the blanks" Stories that deal with the gaps in
existing continuity. That deal with established characters and
situations but try not to `upset' anything already laid down. (For
example Marvel's bridge between Conquest and Battle)

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Group: potadg	Message: 19697	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ,
mlccougar@a... at mlccougar@a... wrote:

> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring",

or "Rebuilding" is something else again, and the latter is what
MARVEL did to APES, and so did ADVENTURE...

Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:

> EXACTLY!!!
>
> If you want to monkey with POTA then don't call it something

else. Call it "This is NOT Planet of the Apes" or... "Another
Planet of the Apes"... or "We have Talking Apes on Our Planet Too!"

Well the original film 'reinvented' / drastically altered Pierre
Boulle's novel, so do we still get to call that Planet of the Apes?

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19698	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
HOWEVER, I will say it again, I am FREAKED OUT by Chimps wearing
buckskins and coon skin caps, gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking
armor AND fat bellied gorillas wearing loin cloths and primitive
necklaces. To me, that is CRAP!!! and it AIN'T Planet of the Apes!
It's something else...

But to some of us it is still 'Planet of the Apes' a valid part of
the whole scene. Each to their own...

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19699	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:

> The descision to make him a little different and thus UNIQUE was a

deliberate one - there was no 'probably should have been' about it.
I'm flabbergasted that this could cause anyone a 'problem' .

Well you should have known better Ballard. You will now be sent to
the Forbidden Zone for having an imagination and daring to be a
little different and flexible.

While you're out there just keep a look out for the human bloke with
a pencil behind his ear will you? ;-)

Neil

Ps. Did we give him the right type of bullets?

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Group: potadg	Message: 19700	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: The Marvel debate

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I have to side with the folks who fondly remember the Marvel comics. The very first comic book I ever bought was Marvel's Adventures on the Planet of the Apes #5, which reprinted the 5th chapter of their Planet adaptation in color. I read that comic over and over many times, and this was prior to seeing the film on TV, although I had been watching the series and had seen Battle on TV. It took a few years for me to acquired the rest of the color reprint comics as well as all of the magazines. I remember having a marathon reading session when I got the last few mags to fill in my collection. Man, what a great day that was.

I think that part of the strong feelings that some of us have for these comics relates to how old we were when we read them and whether or not we read them back when they were released and Apemania was in it's prime. Perhaps if I were reading them now for the first time I may not enjoy them as much as I did then (I'd probably have a similar reaction to the one I had when I read the Adventure comics when those came out in the 90s). Still, I don't reject them as 'not Apes', they just fit into a different corner of the entire Apes phenomenon for me.

Greg P

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Group: potadg	Message: 19701	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Marvel debate (tangent)

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like greg p, my first issue (purchased (used) in 1983?) was also an early marvel color reprint (#4 i think).
and despite the wacky colors, i thionk the strength of the artwork, as well as the power of the original screenplay was still evident.

prior to reading that issue, all i has seen was the last few minutes of pota movie (on tv).
but i was still awestruck by the awesome imagery, as well as heston's performance.

as a 12 year old, (at the time) a big appeal may have been my ability to relate to a world of isolation, desolation, and hopelessness, as well as feelings of being an outcast in a world populated by bizarre caricatures. (i'm better now LOL but still love pota)

rob
oosa

Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

I have to side with the folks who fondly remember the Marvel comics. The very first comic book I ever bought was Marvel's Adventures on the Planet of the Apes #5, which reprinted the 5th chapter of their Planet adaptation in color. I read that comic over and over many times, and this was prior to seeing the film on TV, although I had been watching the series and had seen Battle on TV. It took a few years for me to acquired the rest of the color reprint comics as well as all of the magazines. I remember having a marathon reading session when I got the last few mags to fill in my collection. Man, what a great day that was.

GO VEGETARIAN!

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Group: potadg	Message: 19702	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics

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i am not a die-hard apologetic for the curtis/marvel series, but here are my rebuttals...(freindly rebuttals, for sake of pota conversation, not meant to belittle opinion of neil or others who may disagree)

Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
HOWEVER, I will say it again, I am FREAKED OUT by Chimps wearing
buckskins and coon skin caps,

****************at the very least, i thought this was a very dramatic and exciting cover. as for the content (and what it implies in terms of the pota universe) it seems to me that the pota canon (tv show, movies) are brimming with examples of the ape culture imitating elements of the human culture.

gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking
armor

**************again, a very dramatic cover; i thought it was quite striking, as well as in line with the somewhat primitive ape culture.

AND fat bellied gorillas wearing loin cloths and primitive
necklaces.

****************i can kind of agree here; this seemed to be heading in the direction of "tarzan of the apes" although i can think of worse things...

kindest regards,

rob

oosa

GO VEGETARIAN!

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Group: potadg	Message: 19703	From: aw_nuts_in_a_basket	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Sound clips

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Forgive me if this question has been answered before, but is there
a place where one can download some of the sound clips used on this
site ("This will be the end of human civilzation and the world will
belong to a planet of apes!") and on the internal site? The movie
clips on the site are awesome, but is it possible to get the sound
files, too? Thanks

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Group: potadg	Message: 19704	From: Chris Hight	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon

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Does this mean I have to redo that freaking 12 inch
doll?

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Group: potadg	Message: 19705	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Sound clips

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Unfortunately, none of the media files are hosted on Yahoo. All the
graphics, sound & movie clips, backgrounds on the Internal Site and
even the logo animation and sound clip on the Yahoo Home page are
hosted off-site on the sever I use for my business website. The web
hosting service gives a minimum of 250MB for each site. My business
site takes up only 20MB. The content of the Internal Site takes up
another 185MB. Since the files are not hosted here there is no easy
way to download. However, the files should already be inside your
computer. If you have a Windows based computer look for a file
named "Temporary Internet Files" all the media files should already
be in there. Sound files are WAVs and MP3s. The movie files are
Windows Media (WMV).

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "aw_nuts_in_a_basket"
<aw_nuts_in_a_basket@y...> wrote:

> Forgive me if this question has been answered before, but is

there

> a place where one can download some of the sound clips used on

this

> site ("This will be the end of human civilzation and the world

will

> belong to a planet of apes!") and on the internal site? The movie
> clips on the site are awesome, but is it possible to get the sound
> files, too? Thanks

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Group: potadg	Message: 19706	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

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Will Hoover <will5967@...> wrote:

>>If somebody can give me more info about the overall quality of the

mags, I
might be interested in some of them. As I have said before though, I
won't
just buy anything that has Planet of the Apes plastered on it. I want
quality! Like... BtB! <<

Will, I'll be the first to tell you that overall, the Adventure Comics
series (in my opinion, anyway) SUCKED!!! "Urchak's Folly' and "Blood of
the Apes' were good, but that's about it. The only reason I'm hanging
onto a set is for the sake of my POTA collection. Knowing that there are
other collectors (obviously) on the DG, I'm more than happy to give
anyone who'd be interested a crack at them (again, for significantly less
than what I'd sell them on eBay for). Because there certainly are people
who did enjoy them, and that's fine too. It all boils down to a matter of
taste and preference.

Will (again):

>>Thank you so much for not being upset by my comments and for simply

giving
me more much needed info about the Adventure comics!<<

I don't think anyone was upset per se. Just the usual passionate debates
that go on here from time to time.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19707	From: Chris Lawless	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Whittys POWER

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"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>Subject: Illusions - Foster hopes to defeat us with ILLUSIONS!<<

The he IS clever! Perhaps too clever for us!!!!

Nameless Gorilla Solider

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Group: potadg	Message: 19708	From: ron kenner	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

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i might be one of the few who enjoyed ape-nation. i liked the pacing, the colors, and the art. and i thought it was a fun story.

i think i remember a 4 issue series called "ape city"...which was (in my opinion) not really pota, but more like planet of the talking apes. however, i recall that it was pretty fun.

another thing i remember vaguely was a big mute pacifist gorilla.

enjoyment of the adventure comics may be comparable to eating squash and califlower; it kind of depends on how hungry you are. and even if you are starving, you may not neccesarily enjoy it.

the comics are not as bad as squash, but like others, i was hoping for something like BtB.

rob
oosa

Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:
Will, I'll be the first to tell you that overall, the Adventure Comics
series (in my opinion, anyway) SUCKED!!! "Urchak's Folly' and "Blood of
the Apes' were good, but that's about it. The only reason I'm hanging
onto a set is for the sake of my POTA collection. Knowing that there are
other collectors (obviously) on the DG, I'm more than happy to give
anyone who'd be interested a crack at them (again, for significantly less
than what I'd sell them on eBay for). Because there certainly are people
who did enjoy them, and that's fine too. It all boils down to a matter of
taste and preference.

I don't think anyone was upset per se. Just the usual passionate debates
that go on here from time to time.

Chris L.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19709	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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"Hunter Goatley" < goathunter@...> wrote:

>
> You're not alone, Will. While some people are willing to buy

anything

> Apes-related, no matter how bizarre, ugly, or just downright
> unnatural, I have no interest if it doesn't look right.

Then there are people like me, who find a bizarre, unnatural
appearance a damn good reason to buy something!

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19710	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)

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"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>
> Actually, Dave has begun to colourise it....man, you should see the

colour

> pages!

Then I applaud him already - I tried colourising a b&w strip a while
back and made it through about two panels before I realised it looked
like the work of a five year old and gave up!

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19711	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Black and White artwork

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<mlccougar@...> wrote:

>
> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring", or

"Rebuilding"

> is something else again, and the latter is what MARVEL did to APES,

and so did

> ADVENTURE...

"Expanding" is exactly what Adventure did. It was set within the
continuity of the movies, featured characters who were related to
them, it constantly referred to the movies while trying to show more
of the world (it is, after all, Planet of the Apes, not Town of the
Apes), and attempted to fill in gaps and expand the movies' story.
With the very occasional exception it did nothing to contradict the
movies and frankly the movies managed to contradict themselves just as
often.

If you think the Adventure comics are bad then fair enough, I can at
least understand that viewpoint but I can't understand what you've
said about them above and would be interested to know which issues of
the Adventure series you're basing it on.

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19712	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP

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"Chris Lawless" < lawford42@...> wrote:

>
> BTW, since there are so many Goldsmith fans here, does anyone know

what

> the *definitive* version of the Logan's Run soundtrack is?

The definitive edition is by our good friends at Film Score Monthly.
It is the *complete* soundtrack, including all the previously released
cues and a whole load more. Pop on over to their website to order it
and that's directed to anyone else who wants to hear one of Jerry's
best scores. (Buy a few more FSM CDs while you're there, they really
deserve your money)

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19713	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Adventure Comics for sale

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"Chris Lawless" <lawford42@... > wrote:

> I had no idea there was more than one limited edition of the first

issue

> of Ape Nation. How do I tell which is which? Mine has a painted

cover and

> a designation number across the top (i.e. No. XXXX). I don't know

how

> many were made (1000 maybe?), but the one I'm keeping for my

collection

> has the same layout (but a higher number).

Actually, I'm not sure how to tell the difference because although
there are three different versions (apparently) I've never seen the
other two. Does yours have a cover by Peter Hsu?

> Can't say I blame you there. What's the other Spanish POTA book you

have

> about?

I think it's just about the making of the films and so on. It came out
around the time of the remake and looks like a fairly typical cash-in.
I only bought it because it was cheap (and I liked the cover, which is
taken from a Spanish movie poster).

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19714	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG

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The reason I don't vote in most of these polls is because I tend to
read my emails offline (still on old-fashioned dial-up) and can't be
bothered going back on to vote. But take this as my vote to see the
next chapter of BtB as soon as is humanly possible. Or before then,
preferably.

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 19715	From: shanter2002	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Comics are Planet of the Apes

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Will, I most certainly do call the comics 'Planet of the Apes'.That's
because they are.These are stories written under license from Fox and
subject to Fox approval.They are stories that explore the basic
premise of an Ape dominated Earth in a post apocolyptic world, with
all of the issues of race, slavery, prejudice and violence that
follow from that.Is Pierre Boulle's original novel granted admissin
to official canon---it's not set on earth and it's look and premise
differ markedly from the movies.In fact it could just as easily be
argued that 'Monkey Planet' is just talking Apes, if that charge is
levelled at the comics.As for the covers, those covers that dealt
with the movie adaptations alternated irregularly with covers based
on the original stuff.The covers that were based on the movies were
often astonishing, especially those for Escape.I think this mini
debate has raised a bigger issue, namely 'what do Apes fans feel Apes
IS?'.For some it's just the first movie, for some it's just the
Megos, for most it's a combination.For me personally it's the whole
shooting match and, if pressed, if I had to choose between my Marvel
Mags and the videos of the fourth and fifth movies for a ten year
stay in solitary, I'd choose my Mags because that's the way I
feel.The comics are Apes to me, without reservation.And yes, we're
certainly friends Will---healthy debate is good.John,Scrolls.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19716	From: Mike R	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: MegoconDVD

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For those that are interested, A Mego Museum member has made a DVD set from
the Mego convention. It's sure to have much on the POTA line. Details here:

http://www.megomuseum.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard/topic.cgi?forum=1&topic=5801&replies=55

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Group: potadg	Message: 19717	From: shanter2002	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: MAD #444

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Has anybody seen page44 of this yet? It's the Spidey issue(a truly
amazing movie, very highly recommended!) and they do a feature
called 'How to think like a superstar'.Tim Burton is pictured in a
spoof pic of him holding, weirdly, a Topps TV Series card featuring
Dr Zaius with the tagline'Sincerely praise the movies, songs or TV
shows that influenced and inspired you....but feel free to remake
them so badly that future generations never want to see them
again'.Ouch! John, Scrolls.

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Group: potadg	Message: 19718	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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Maybe Cornelius and Zira had a quick wedding when they were planning to
leave with Milo. If they were going to die, they wanted to die married?
Maybe the ape equivalent of eloping. As I recall, there was an "ape wedding"
in the Adventure comics. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
>
> True there is no line in Planet to indicate it happened and it is
> pure speculation. If not for them being married in Beneath there
> wouldn't even be the speculation. But consider two things. First to
> answer your question, what if the date of the wedding had been set
> long before Taylor arrived. Second, does C&Z being married in the
> second half of Planet intrinsically change their overall
> relationship or the story being told in Planet.
>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 19719	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

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on 7/30/04 1:22 AM, Neil at nfoster@... wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Will was generalising - and he fed your ego, so apologise now!

No. I didn't get the impression from his post that he
was 'generalising' when he was putting down the Marvel mags. Care to
clear this up Will?

Neil

Once again, I have not read the Marvel comics or the Adventure comics of the
'90s. I was simply pointing out exactly WHY I haven't read them up to this
point and from everything I'm hearing about flying monkeys and the "trippy"
stories that were supposedly featured in the Marvel mags, I may never waste
my time. Whether or not I was generalizing is not important as far as I'm
concerned. I did not "have a go" at you (or Marvel for that matter!) when I
stated my dislike for talking ape comics that have little or nothing to do
with the original films and TV series, so I guess I'm not sure why you might
take issue with me personally. You disagree with me about talking ape
comics and have made it clear that you don't mind reading stories that have
little or nothing to do with the orginal Apes cannon. No problem. You
helped deliver what I was actually looking for with BtB and that's all I
care about.

Once again, I have not read the Marvel POTA comics and I do not see how this
invalidates my opinion about a few of the more zany looking covers. I ONLY
commented on the more absurb looking covers and said absolutely nothing
about what might be inside the magazines. In fact, I asked for more info
from everybody in the group about the Marvel mags so that I might make a
more informed choice before going out of my way to aquire a set of comics
that (knowing the Apes purist that I am) MIGHT very well simply disappoint
me in the end.

When I commented that SOME of the Marvel covers freak me out, I expected to
get more info about what's actually in the Marvel mags and maybe have
somebody say something like, "Give the books a chance and you'll be glad you
did," or, "Ah! They just put that crap on the cover to sell the books.
Read them and you'll be pleasantly surprised!"

Again, I did not put down ALL the Marvel mags. Some things I actually did
say:

"What I mean, I guess, is that the POTA ADVENTURE comic (not Marvel) that I
looked through when it was first released back in the '90s absolutely did
not appeal to me on any level whatsoever. What I saw did not have photo
realistic looking apes the way they were portrayed in the film series. BtB
features an ape character that actually looks like a gorilla from the films!
His uniform is accurate and if it were in color, I suspect that the colors
would be accurate too."

"In any case, no, I never had a chance to see any of the Marvel B&W
magazines. To this day, sadly, all I've ever seen are the covers."

"I would like to know more about all the POTA comics that have been on the
market to date though, just to figure out which ones might be worth owning.
As I have previously posted, I would be extremely grateful if somebody could
attempt to summarize a history of sorts of the POTA comics."

"Basically, like I've said before, I am a POTA purist. I get urked when I
see Urko wearing orange and a few of the covers from some of the Marvel mags
pretty much freak me out. Chimps wearing buckskin and a coon skin cap?!?!?
Like... what's THAT all about? Gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking armor
or some such CRAP!!! Again, BtB is definitely my idea of a POTA comic. Not
this fat bellied gorilla wearing a loin cloth and primitive necklace, "When
the Assimians Strike!" CRAP!!! DON'T MONKEY WITH MY APES, MAN!!!"

Will

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Group: potadg	Message: 19720	From: Will Hoover	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

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on 7/30/04 1:22 AM, Neil at nfoster@... wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Will was generalising - and he fed your ego, so apologise now!

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Group: potadg	Message: 19721	From: James	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH

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In Beneath, in C&Z's house you can see their wedding picture in the
background. Maybe the Apes had a One Hour Photo too;-)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Maybe Cornelius and Zira had a quick wedding when they were
planning to
> leave with Milo. If they were going to die, they wanted to die
married?
> Maybe the ape equivalent of eloping. As I recall, there was
an "ape wedding"
> in the Adventure comics. - - - Jeff
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 19722	From: simianarms	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Apes at auction ( PIH 7-04 )

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Hi Everyone! Just writing to see if anyone watched the Profiles in
History auction. I know a few of my friends here are also prop and
costume collectors like me( Chris, Bill). So for those of you who
missed it here are the auction results for the Apes pieces.

Stewarts costume $0 (Didn't sell. Started at 10K, no one bid)

Full head gorilla background mask 6K

Dr Zaius costume sketch Morton Hack $7500 (This was the same concept
picture that was used for the archives card and on the DVD extras as well)

Gorilla Club $1700

Gorilla painted unused appliance $950

Zira Kim Hunter painted unused appliance $1300

Chimp appliance $800

In case any one is wondering, no I didn't manage to pick up anything
from this auction. I wanted to but the lottery didn't work out this
week for me !-) There always next time I guess!

Mark

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Group: potadg	Message: 19723	From: PofTAfan@aol.com	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Sideshow toys at San Diego Comic-con

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Yes. That is the "mama" doll that was found in the cave, and in Zira's hand are the pen and paper.

Kevin

In a message dated 7/29/2004 9:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@...> writes:

>Kevin,
>
>I feel like an idiot for not noticing this before (and if someone
>else already wrote about this, and I missed THAT, I'll feel more
>stupid), but isn't the Cornelius figure in your photos holding
>the "mama" speaking doll?...
>
>G
>
>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kevin" <PofTAfan@a...> wrote:
>> I just got back tonight from the Con and I have found out some
>news about the POTA toys from Sideshow WETA toys. I have posted two
>photos from the con of the POTA toys in the photo section under
>Sideshow toys.
>
>
>
>
>
>PLEASE DELETE THIS LINE AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT BEFORE RESPONDING. THANK YOU OR YOU WILL BE CAST INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE!!!!!
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 19724	From: Neil	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: Re: Correction

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
I did not "have a go" at you (or Marvel for that matter!) when I
> stated my dislike for talking ape comics that have little or
nothing to do with the original films and TV series, so I guess I'm
not sure why you might take issue with me personally.

And I never said you had a go at me either. I don't know where you
got that from, go back and read the posts Will.
What I am taking issue with is you stating that anything that is
not 'Pure' film apes is NOT Planet of the Apes.
I also echo my earlier question (and John's in one of his responses)
Is Pierre Boulle's original novel Planet of the Apes or do we now
have to call it something else?

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 19725	From: sparkytb2005	Date: 7/30/2004
Subject: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website

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Is this interesting? I don't know.

Mark T-B.

http://www.moviemistakes.com/film983

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