|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19726 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19727 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19728 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19729 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19730 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Favourite POTA Moments (very late) |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19731 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Comics are Planet of the Apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19732 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19733 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19734 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19735 |
From: James |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19736 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19737 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19738 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19739 |
From: James |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19740 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19741 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19742 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19743 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19744 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19745 |
From: Will Hoover |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: To each his own... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19746 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: First edition |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19747 |
From: shanter2002 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Each to their own apes |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19749 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19750 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Illusions |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19751 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19752 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19753 |
From: James |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Comics and POTA |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19754 |
From: JamesA1102@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: New PotaDG member |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19755 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Welcome rhob1960 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19756 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19757 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Beast poll... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19758 |
From: James |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: FYI |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19759 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: FYI |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19760 |
From: HollowedOut |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: FYI |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19761 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19762 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19763 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Illusions |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19764 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19765 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19766 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19767 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19768 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19769 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: POTA TV Trivia (IMDB) |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19770 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19771 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19772 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19773 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: The Missing Stewart |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19774 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Apes experimentation |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19775 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19776 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Lt. Stewart |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19777 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19778 |
From: James |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19779 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19780 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Agreeing on MARVEL |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19781 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19782 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19783 |
From: James |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19784 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19785 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19786 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Apes experimentation |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19787 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: MARVEL |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19788 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19789 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19793 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19795 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: The big question |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19796 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Simply the Best.... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19797 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19798 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19799 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Boulle's Planet |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19800 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: marvel mag part 2 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19801 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: landon |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19802 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: marvel mag |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19803 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19804 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19805 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Marvel mag |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19806 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19807 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle and White artwork |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19808 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: POWER Records adapation of BENEATH |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19809 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Boulle's dislikes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19810 |
From: Neil |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19811 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19812 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19813 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: bizarre, unnatural |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19814 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19815 |
From: Neil |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19816 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19817 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19818 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19819 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19820 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19821 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19822 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19823 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19824 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19825 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19826 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19827 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19828 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19829 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Beast... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19830 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
|
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19726 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:
> i am not a die-hard apologetic for the curtis/marvel series, but
here are my rebuttals...(freindly rebuttals, for sake of pota
conversation, not meant to belittle opinion of neil or others who
may disagree)
>
> Neil <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> HOWEVER, I will say it again, I am FREAKED OUT by Chimps wearing
> buckskins and coon skin caps,
>
Ron I think you may be putting Will's words in my mouth here. I LIKE
the Marvel magazines and all the goofy covers and stories, I have
been STICKING UP for them, these are Will's points you have been
rebutting / replying to.
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19727 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/04 9:41:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
nfoster@... writes:
Well the original film 'reinvented' / drastically altered Pierre Boulle's
novel, so do we still get to call that Planet of the Apes?
Neil
Personally, I DON'T call the Boulle novel Planet of the Apes... When I think
of it, I think of it as the basis for what came in the film... The film POTA
is not a "faithful" adaptation of the book at all, and to think otherwise is
crazy... Because it's so different, I don't even call the book PLANET, I
refer to it as Monkey Planet (which is the original title loosely translated...)
If you really look at it, the film had nothing in common with the book
really, other than the fact that the Apes talked and humans had devolved... They
took basic ideas and turned them into PLANET...The central character's didn't
even translate to the screen... I mean face it, Taylor is not in any way
Ulysse, and Zaius sure isn't the senile Orang he is in the book either... Even
Zira and Cornelius are different enough... I'm glad they changed the POTA
society to a man fearing/tech hating society, rather than the tech world of the
planet Soror too...
The differences are there, and they aren't the same thing...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19728 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.htmlI've been watching this exchange, and I have to wonder why?...
Of course the Boulle novel is "Planet of the Apes", that's what it's
called, and was so for a number of years before the movie was even
known about...And before anyone jumps on the argument of the
name "Monkey Planet" -- singe means ape as well as monkey...
Personally, I can't think of any existing story, that was written
first as a novel then turned into a movie, that sticks "faithfully"
to the book...
Case in point is the new release "The Bourne Supremecy"...Having read
the trilogy years ago, I was excited to see the movie(s)...There was
no lost expectations in the change that inevitably occurs when
transfering book to film/video...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 7/30/04 9:41:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
> nfoster@h... writes:
>
> Well the original film 'reinvented' / drastically altered Pierre
Boulle's
> novel, so do we still get to call that Planet of the Apes?
>
> Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19729 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/04 4:10:45 PM Central Daylight Time,
alan@... writes:
If you think the Adventure comics are bad then fair enough, I can at least
understand that viewpoint but I can't understand what you've said about them
above and would be interested to know which issues of the Adventure series
you're basing it on.
You want to know a few examples of what I refer to when I say that ADVENTURE
"Reinvented", "Restructured", or "Rebuilt" POTA, let's just say the whole
"Ape-Nation" thing, the series called "Ape City", the whole "Ghost of Breck"
thing, the "Ape Riders".. Not to mention drawing Apes that looked more like
toads with hair, and the way they drew Gorillas with pony-tails...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19730 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Favourite POTA Moments (very late) |
|
.html Hi Guys and Gals,
Been a bit busy, but I'm back now. Found the below file lurking on
my desktop. Very late as a topic, but I thought I'd give you my two
cents...
MTB's Favourite Moments from the 5 PLANET OF THE APES features:
PLANET - just before they see the scarecrows there is a great shot
of Landon walking towards us. He stops dead as he sees them on the
mountainside above.
"Skipper"! (Goldsmith score pounding which is amazing.)
Heston joins. Then Dodge.
"Scarecrows?"
"Let's see
"
Goldsmith score pounds as they climb.
Art.
BENEATH Brent buries his skipper and walks back to the ship in a
wide shot.
He digs his spade into the sand in frustration and finds he has no
more water. For me, one of the best depictions of isolation in
cinema ever.
ESCAPE The Ape-o-nauts unmasking on the beach, of course. (What
else?)
CONQUEST J. Lee Thompson & Bruce Surtees' amazing shot during the
revolt of the line of riot cops firing on the apes. No faces just
a mass of pistols and shotguns firing (
and the sound wow!)
BATTLE Rosenman's score kicking in for Caesar, MacDonald and
Virgil's trek across the desert. "That" wide shot of the three of
them on the sand dune is my favourite shot in the entire history of
PLANET OF THE APES.
Now feeling compelled to reach for the DVD box set on the shelf.
Hope all is well with everyone. (Yes, even you Whittster)
Mark T-B.
P.S. Really, REALLY saddened by Jerry Goldsmith's demise. The one
think I can take solace in is the fact that I saw him conduct the
London Symphony Orchestra in his last concert tour in the UK last
year.
RIP Mr. Goldsmith. You will be missed. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19731 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Comics are Planet of the Apes |
.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/04 4:14:44 PM Central Daylight Time,
mail@... writes:
Will, I most certainly do call the comics 'Planet of the Apes'. That's
because they are. These are stories written under license from Fox and subject to
Fox approval.
And you have to keep in mind that in 1974/75 when Ape-Mania was at it's
peak, FOX also granted toy companies permission to use the APES name to make ever
"classic" toys like parachuting Apes, Apes walkie-Talkies, an Apes
Helicopter, etc, etc... None of these things had anything to do with POTA, they were
just something to slap the name and logo onto... FOX made their cut from the
toy/collectible people just as they did from MARVEL and later on, ADVENTURE...
FOX didn't (and doesn't) seem to give a rat's a** about Apes image, then or
now... For them it all comes down to four symbols/letters, and the aren't P O
T A... They're $ $ $ $...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19732 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.htmlIn a message dated 7/30/04 8:48:52 PM Central Daylight Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:
Of course the Boulle novel is "Planet of the Apes", that's what it's called,
and was so for a number of years before the movie was even known about...
True, it may have been known as POTA before the movie ever came out, BUT as
the ' 68 movie poster says, it's based on a novel by Boulle, not based on
"the" novel by Boulle...
To me, "based on" means that some of the materials ideas were taken from a
book, but not the entire story... Case in point is PLANET, they really are two
different stories being told...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19733 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
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Don Murray's Birthday
Saturday July 31, 2004
All Day
This event repeats every year.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19734 |
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Birthday Reminder |
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France Nuyen's Birthday
Saturday July 31, 2004
All Day
This event repeats every year.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19735 |
From: James |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Birthday Reminder |
.htmlHappy Birthday Don. The Yahoo Home page pic and sound are in your
honor.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> Birthday Reminder from the Calendar of PotaDG
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/cal
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> Don Murray's Birthday
> Saturday July 31, 2004 |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19736 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
.htmlHow do you know it's their wedding picture? Maybe it was the prom. - - -
Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "James" <JamesA1102@...>
> In Beneath, in C&Z's house you can see their wedding picture in the
> background. Maybe the Apes had a One Hour Photo too;-)
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19737 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> I've been watching this exchange, and I have to wonder why?...
Why? because some people made the point of saying that if it's not
the same as what was presented on screen in the movies and TV series
it's NOT Planet of the Apes, that's why.
> Personally, I can't think of any existing story, that was written
first as a novel then turned into a movie, that sticks "faithfully"
to the book...
Have you read / seen The Quiet American (Graham Greene)? That comes
pretty close.
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19738 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.html
> > Personally, I can't think of any existing story, that was written
> first as a novel then turned into a movie, that sticks "faithfully"
> to the book...
"The Green Mile" also does it.
Hunter |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19739 |
From: James |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
.htmlI didn't know the Apes had Proms.
Hey here's a story idea, Caesar travels in time to C&Zs prom. He has
to get them together while avoiding the school bully, Ursus, and
then get back to Dr. Zaius before the lighting....Nah. It would
never work.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> How do you know it's their wedding picture? Maybe it was the
prom. - - -
> Jeff
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19740 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/30/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> True, it may have been known as POTA before the movie ever came
out, BUT as the ' 68 movie poster says, it's based on a novel by
Boulle, not based on "the" novel by Boulle...
Sorry but I don't get the point you are trying to make here. What's
the difference in this case? We know WHICH novel they meant when
they put based on A novel as opposed to THE novel.
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19741 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Why? because some people made the point of saying that if it's not
> the same as what was presented on screen in the movies and TV
series
> it's NOT Planet of the Apes, that's why.
That's my point -- it's pointless...=)
>
> > Personally, I can't think of any existing story, that was written
> first as a novel then turned into a movie, that sticks "faithfully"
> to the book...
>
> Have you read / seen The Quiet American (Graham Greene)? That comes
> pretty close.
No, I haven't...I'll check it out...Thanks...
G |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19742 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
.htmlWait, you might have something there...What if they put Chuck Heston
in it as the nutty Doc Taylor, who invents a time machine out of an
old spaceship...Zaius would be the school principal...
Then, through an accident, they go to the future, where there are
flying monkeys...And then to the old west, where Estelle Warren could
play the schoolmarm in the runnaway buggy, but no -- they'd just let
her ride off the cliff...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Hey here's a story idea, Caesar travels in time to C&Zs prom. He
has
> to get them together while avoiding the school bully, Ursus, and
> then get back to Dr. Zaius before the lighting....Nah. It would
> never work. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19743 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Is Boulle's book PLANET? |
.htmlCould have been "The Bridge over the Ape City"...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > True, it may have been known as POTA before the movie ever came
> out, BUT as the ' 68 movie poster says, it's based on a novel by
> Boulle, not based on "the" novel by Boulle...
>
> Sorry but I don't get the point you are trying to make here. What's
> the difference in this case? We know WHICH novel they meant when
> they put based on A novel as opposed to THE novel.
>
> Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19744 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: New poll for PotaDG |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "James" <JamesA1102@a...>
wrote:
> I assume the first choice would include the continuing
adventures of Galen, Burke and Virdon?
ALL the choices include the TV show.
BTW you should be able to vote for more than one choice.
Dave |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19745 |
From: Will Hoover |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: To each his own... |
.htmlon 7/30/04 9:39 AM, Neil at nfoster@...
wrote:
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com,
mlccougar@a... at mlccougar@a... wrote:
> "Expanding" is one thing... "Reinventing", "Restructuring",
or "Rebuilding" is something else again, and the latter is what
MARVEL did to APES, and so did ADVENTURE...
Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> EXACTLY!!!
>
> If you want to monkey with POTA then don't call it something
else. Call it "This is NOT Planet of the Apes" or... "Another
Planet of the Apes"... or "We have Talking Apes on Our Planet Too!"
Well the original film 'reinvented' / drastically altered Pierre
Boulle's novel, so do we still get to call that Planet of the Apes?
Neil
Neil:
OF COURSE, Boulle's novel is Planet of the Apes (or Monkey Planet)! It is
the novel that inspired the cannon. But just because Boulle's novel was
different from the films doesn't mean that it's okay (or any less absurd) to
put talking apes in Viking armor, buckskins and loincloths! And this "brain
in a jar" story I keep hearing is REALLY freaking me out! I'm afraid you're
ALL scaring me away from the Marvel mags for yet ANOTHER decade!
Look, the original point of my post was to express my opinion (in which I am
definitely not alone) that a good deal of the Apes merchandising that
resulted from the films and TV series was of more or less inferior quality
(but NOT NECESSARILY the Marvel mags SINCE I HAVE NOT READ THEM YET!!! and
which, in and of itself is not a crime!), yet you have turned this into a
personal crusade for the Marvel mags. You act as if I have blasphemed
against the great gods of Marvel comics when all I did was mention three
(AND ONLY THREE, FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!) covers (out of 29!) that I
suggested were a good example of how the early merchandising of the Apes
films was not taken seriously and was often inaccurate and laughable. You
didn't even get my point! You saw the word "Marvel" and decided to go after
me personally. And that, after I went out of my way to point out on many
occasions that BtB was done very well and is much more my idea of quality
Apes related merchandise!
So what's to get so offended about? I sincerely doubt that I'm the first
person to ever infer (nothing more!) that the Marvel mags weren't up to
snuff, without having read them and basing my opinion solely on the covers
and on comments from Mr. Whitty and others.
Again, if you like talking ape stories with other than ordinary premises
that have nothing to do with Boulle's novel, the films or TV series then
that's fine with me. I'm just saying that I personally don't think that
that stuff is really high quality (or even particularly valid) POTA
material. Though that "fringe material" may bear merit because of the
imagination involved, to many diehard POTA fans it may be little more than
fluff that was thrown together to capitalize on the success of the Apes
films.
I'm glad you like the Marvel mags! I'm glad somebody does! But should my
opinion about a series of magazines that I've never read really rock your
world so much? And wouldn't telling me all the good things about the Marvel
mags accomplish your purposes much better?
I haven't wanted to say this because I don't know if I really have enough
time in my busy schedule to throw together the POTA comic test page, but I'm
from an artist background myself and I know how passionate and emotional
artists can be. So please see this as a clarification of my views and even
a sign of truce of sorts. I'm not going to change your opinion of what
constitutes good quality POTA merchandise and you're probably not going to
change mine. So what! You said it yourself; "But to some of us it is still
'Planet of the Apes' a valid part of the whole scene. Each to their own..."
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19746 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: First edition |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19747 |
From: shanter2002 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Each to their own apes |
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.html Will, this is not a hostile posting.Each to their own, as you
suggest, is a great philosophy, but this debate picked up momentum
when your posting TOLD us not to call the comics 'Apes'.I've posted
reasons why I think they are'Apes', including the fact that they deal
with the mature, core issues that lift Apes above any other
franchise.If the comics don't get to join the party, someone needs to
alter the introduction page on our Discussion Group.And I must warn
you,in advance, not to chance a peak at Simian Scrolls #9 as there
will be nothing at all in there of interest.I do feel that on an Apes
DG the norm should be to celebrate Apes, not simply dismiss whole
swathes of the franchise with words like 'crappy'.This whole debate
is becoming like those Doctor Who weirdos who scream if the wrong
colour scarf is worn by a character.If the comics aint Apes, and if
by force of logic that means Boulle aint Apes, and the animated
series aint Apes,this whole Apes world is shrinking rapidly.Will,I
invite you to at least read the Terror strip in its entirety and then
tell us if there is anything in there that says'Apes' to you.John,
Scrolls. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19749 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: 'twixt PLANET and BENEATH |
.htmlThe end of POTA2001 was enough "Back to the Future" for me, thanks. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: hotscheetz
Wait, you might have something there...What if they put Chuck Heston
in it as the nutty Doc Taylor, who invents a time machine out of an
old spaceship...Zaius would be the school principal...
Then, through an accident, they go to the future, where there are
flying monkeys...And then to the old west, where Estelle Warren could
play the schoolmarm in the runnaway buggy, but no -- they'd just let
her ride off the cliff...
G |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19750 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Illusions |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I've always felt that the strange weather in the FZ during the
astronauts trek served not only to give the area a feeling of menace
as well as desolation.> Greg P.
I mostly think that what the astronauts see in the skies in PA68
(luminosity, no moon) were the result of the nuclear destruction
that took place. The Forbidden Zone was likely forbidden due to the
radiation that has had an effect on weather in the area for a very
long time. Who knows about the moon being gone. For an image of what
might have happened, I like what Simon Wells inserted into the new
Time Machine film. Yet again, I have a feeling that Simon Wells was
influenced by POTA in the making of that film. In Time Machine, we
see the moon disintegrating due to some future catastrophe.
However, I also see no reason why we can't speculate that the
lightning and luminescence, etc. in PA68 were the acts of the
mutants. It doesn't matter that the first script writers didn't have
Beneath in mind. The writers of Beneath were picking up on the first
film and extrapolating on it. Zaius' "strange manifestations in the
FZ" could very well have referred to what the astronauts were
seeing. It's a valid and interesting speculation.
For a similar comparison, we might say that there is no way that Leo
Davidson had any special relationship with Maria Cooper in PA01,
since we see no such liaison or reference to it. However, in the
sequel novels, written by another author and not conceived by the
original script writers, we are told that there was such a
relationship. Not only that, but that relationship spawned a child
who led the human resistance to his step-brother Semos, whose
lineage give us Thade! None of this was in the movie, but subsequent
material has written it into the history.
Menluth. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19751 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> Is this interesting? I don't know.
> Mark T-B.
> http://www.moviemistakes.com/film983
Very interesting, Mark. One comment on this web page revived an old
question I had:
"Continuity: Shortly after the astronauts crash land in the desert
lake, they discover that the female crew mate is dead, her body is
mummified due to an air leak in her cubicle. The mistake is that
when her body is first seen, the arms and hands are folded across
her chest. Seconds later, when the water starts rushing in, the
point of view from inside her cubicle shows her arms at her sides."
Some time back we had a brief discussion on the dead Stewart. I have
an unconfirmed memory of reading about the old actress that played
the dead Stewart. Common wisdom at the time was that my memory had
failed me, and that the dead Stewart was actually a dummy. I cannot
confirm whether what I read was real or not, or where I saw it in
the first place. But this continuity error raises the question for
me again. Was the dead Stewart played by a person? If so, who was
she?
Menluth. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19752 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.htmlIn a message dated 7/31/2004 5:34:12 PM Central Standard Time,
menluth@... writes:
> Was the dead Stewart played by a person? If so, who was she?
From what I heard, she was an old lady in her 80s, chosen because of the look
of her hands...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19753 |
From: James |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Comics and POTA |
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.html I haven't said anything in this thread yet because I'm really not a
comics aficionado. I don't dislike comics at all and do read
occasionally when well done like "Beware the Beast" nor do I go out
of my way for them. Other than the 29 issues of the POTA magazine
done by Marvel in the '70s, I'm truly ignorant of any other POTA
comics.
Anyway, I do want to remind everyone that this group is for friendly
discussion and lets all do our best to keep it that way. Things are
starting to get a little heated. And please, no one say 'well he
started it' or I'm sending you all to bed without your dinners;-)
Back to the subject at hand, I think everyone has their own personal
view of what is POTA. Some have a broader view while other have a
more specific view. I'm sure in 1968 when some fan of the novel went
to the first film, they came out saying 'that's not POTA' just as
many of us walking out of theaters 3 years ago saying the same
thing. Many of us have a special place in our hearts for the vehicle
or media in which we first discovered the world of POTA. For some
it's the comics, for others it's the TV or Cartoon series and for
others, like me, it was the films which I was lucky enough to see in
theaters in order as a child. In the end its just personal
preference as to what works for them.
I do have a fondness for the Marvel magazines as well. It was a
summer day, much like today, thirty years ago that a friend showed
me a copy of the first issue. It had been a POTA filled summer
already with the 'Go Ape!' festival running at a local theater and
anticipation of the upcoming TV series. As I scanned through the
pages of issue #1 I was enthralled. I begged my mom for the $1 so I
could buy my own copy and then walked over 12 blocks to the
newsstand that was selling it. As soon as I got it home I read it
from cover to cover and reread it from cover to cover the next day.
Because I didn't see the first issue until late in its run, the
second issue was out less then two weeks later. Again I ran to the
newsstand and read it cover to cover.
While I brought all 29 issues of the magazine, I will say after the
first few issues I had some disappointment with it. Not for the
excellent adaptations of the movies but for Marvel's original
stories. While many of them were interesting and very well written,
they just weren't what I was looking for. I wanted to see more Ape
and mutant cultures from the films. Thus, even though many explored
other valid aspects of the a world with intelligent apes; they just
were not that interesting to me. But again that is my personal
preference. I'm sure that there and are others that loved those
stories and I understand why they do. While I also understand why
others don't see them as the POTA they first came to love. But there
is no right or wrong, it's just what makes each of us as fans happy. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19754 |
From: JamesA1102@aol.com |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: New PotaDG member |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19755 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Welcome rhob1960 |
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.html Welcome to PotaDG...Feel free to come in and browse out features and
to post...
Glen <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19756 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.htmlYes...It might be mentioned in the "Marvel" mags somewhere...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
Was the dead Stewart played by a person? If so, who was
> she?
>
> Menluth. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19757 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Beast poll... |
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.html So far it looks like everyone wants to see the next installment --
NOW!...That is, except for two malcontents who should be
shot...Preferably out of large cannons, at each other...=)
So, where is it?...
G <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19758 |
From: James |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: FYI |
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.html I just want to let everyone know that the 'Go Ape!' poster on the
main One Sheets page is not a real One Sheet. It is a composite made
up by me. Please don't email me anymore asking where to buy it
because it's just not real and exists only in my computer. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19759 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: FYI |
.htmlWhere can I buy your computer, then?...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> I just want to let everyone know that the 'Go Ape!' poster on the
> main One Sheets page is not a real One Sheet. It is a composite
made
> up by me. Please don't email me anymore asking where to buy it
> because it's just not real and exists only in my computer. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19760 |
From: HollowedOut |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: FYI |
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.html Wait... so we send YOU a check or money order?
I know, I know smart assing will get you no where... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19761 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> So far it looks like everyone wants to see the next installment --
NOW!...That is, except for two malcontents who should be
shot...Preferably out of large cannons, at each other...=)
Everyone!?! 17 people out of over 200, hmmm... ;-)
Mal Content (the 2nd) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19762 |
From: Neil |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> Is this interesting? I don't know.
>
> Mark T-B.
>
> http://www.moviemistakes.com/film983
They missed the one where doctor Galen says something to Zira and
his mouth doesn't even open.
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19763 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Illusions |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "Menluth" <menluth@y...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...>
wrote:
> > I've always felt that the strange weather in the FZ during the
> astronauts trek served not only to give the area a feeling of
menace
> as well as desolation.> Greg P.
Er, no. It was a cool visual effect that the 20th Century Fox
Optical Effects Dept. banged out one Wednesday afternoon.
Mark T-B. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19764 |
From: sparkytb2005 |
Date: 7/31/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
wrote:
> They missed the one where doctor Galen says something to Zira and
> his mouth doesn't even open.
>
> Neil
I love all that stuff. Like in the 60s Bond films when they'd post-
sync dialogue without actors' lips moving -- and they didn't give a
shit.
Mark T-B. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19765 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website |
.htmlWhat about when the blood is transfused directly from Nova to Taylor? And
are the apes advanced enough to know about blood types? - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA on Movie Mistakes Website
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> > Is this interesting? I don't know.
> >
> > Mark T-B.
> >
> > http://www.moviemistakes.com/film983
>
> They missed the one where doctor Galen says something to Zira and
> his mouth doesn't even open.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE DELETE THIS LINE AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT BEFORE RESPONDING. THANK
YOU OR YOU WILL BE CAST INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE!!!!!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19766 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > So far it looks like everyone wants to see the next installment --
> NOW!...That is, except for two malcontents who should be
> shot...Preferably out of large cannons, at each other...=)
>
>
> Everyone!?! 17 people out of over 200, hmmm... ;-)
>
> Mal Content (the 2nd) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19767 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Beast poll... |
.htmlWith an exclusive viewpoint, 18 could be considered
everyone...Couldn't it?...
Oh, just release the comic guys, okay?...Hello?...Is anybody
listening?...
I'm going back to my corner again...And I'm going to cry...A long
time...
G *sniff*
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 18 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...>
wrote:
> > > So far it looks like everyone wants to see the next
installment --
>
> > NOW!...That is, except for two malcontents who should be
> > shot...Preferably out of large cannons, at each other...=)
> >
> >
> > Everyone!?! 17 people out of over 200, hmmm... ;-)
> >
> > Mal Content (the 2nd) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19768 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
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.html In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
The Forbidden Zone was likely forbidden due to the
radiation that has had an effect on weather in the area for a very
long time.
Actually, you're only part right. A nuclear war, even limited, wouldn't
affect only one part of the world's weather, it would affect the entire world.
More likely the Forbidden Zone was forbidden due to the lingering radiation
itself and that man caused it. Man is quite the bogey man to the Apes.
Who knows about the moon being gone. For an image of what
might have happened, I like what Simon Wells inserted into the new
Time Machine film. Yet again, I have a feeling that Simon Wells was
influenced by POTA in the making of that film. In Time Machine, we
see the moon disintegrating due to some future catastrophe.
Oh, the s*ck *ss version of The Time Machine? The Moon was cracked because
they were building habitats on it. A nuclear explosive cracked a fault line,
causing its destruction. Like POTA2001, this film didn't have to get made.
"The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be
one."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson -
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19769 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: POTA TV Trivia (IMDB) |
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.html Although the series was cancelled after 15 weeks because of low ratings and
was considered a bomb in the US, it was a huge success in the UK.
While the movie originally set primarily in what used to be New York City,
the television show is set in a futuristic California after a nuclear war.
The 24-foot plywood spaceship from the first movie appears for the last
time, in the pilot episode. <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19770 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
Was the dead Stewart played by a person? If so, who was
she?
_Dianne Stanley_ ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0822461/) .... Stewart
(uncredited) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19771 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
.html In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
While I brought all 29 issues of the magazine, I will say after the
first few issues I had some disappointment with it. Not for the
excellent adaptations of the movies but for Marvel's original
stories.
Too bad they won't reprint those. My issues are long gone. I'm still pissed
that Marvel cancelled it without even a warning in the last issue. Lousy Human
Bastards... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19772 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
|
.html In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
What about when the blood is transfused directly from Nova to Taylor? And
are the apes advanced enough to know about blood types?
Why not? They knew how to lobotomize Landon... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19773 |
From: Mithril1960@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: The Missing Stewart |
| Group: potadg |
Message: 19774 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Apes experimentation |
.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
What about when the blood is transfused directly from Nova to Taylor? And
are the apes advanced enough to know about blood types?
**** Well, we could say that the information learned in "The Surgeon" was
spread throughout the country and passed down from generation to generation and
that's how they knew how to do it in the year 3978...
Of course that's highly doubtful, and I really don't believe that's the
case... Still you could speculate on that, the same way you can tie the Forbidden
Zone illusions in BENEATH to the weird atmospheric conditions in PLANET by
saying they're Mutant illusions.
>
> In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:21:47 PM Central Standard Time,
> Mithril1960@... writes:
>
> Why not? They knew how to lobotomize Landon...
Again, you "could" tie that into the TV series experimentation... In "The
Interrogation" they're talking about "the removal of the front bumps"
(lobotomizing)...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19775 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/2004 1:30:22 PM Central Standard Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:
> Was the dead Stewart played by a person? If so, who was
> she?
>
>
>
> _Dianne Stanley_ (http://imdb.com/name/nm0822461/) .... Stewart
> (uncredited)
The "dead" (ie mummified" Stewart was played by an old woman in her 80s...
they used her real hands but made her up for the face...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19776 |
From: Menluth |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Lt. Stewart |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> _Dianne Stanley_ (http://imdb.com/name/nm0822461/) .... Stewart
> (uncredited)
Dianne Stanley was the actress who played the living Stewart who we
see in her hibernation chamber just prior to Taylor going to sleep.
I think she appeared in a publicity photo with the other astronauts
in their suits. The identity of the woman who played the dead
Stewart I have yet to determine.
David. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19777 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/2004 2:04:31 PM Central Standard Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:
> The Forbidden Zone was likely forbidden due to the radiation that has had
> an effect on weather in the area for a very long time. More likely the
> Forbidden Zone was forbidden due to the lingering radiation itself and that man
> caused it. Man is quite the bogey man to the Apes.
I am of the opinion that The Forbidden Zone is forbidden due to the fact that
that area holds remnants of Man's once domination... It's forbidden to go
there because the higher ups want to keep that all a secret...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19778 |
From: James |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlExcellent point Cougar!
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> I am of the opinion that The Forbidden Zone is forbidden due to
the fact that
> that area holds remnants of Man's once domination... It's
forbidden to go
> there because the higher ups want to keep that all a secret... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19779 |
From: taebokitti@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Jerry Goldsmith RIP |
|
.html I thought the book Congo was better than the movie but Amy the gorilla was
great! Elaine
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19780 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Agreeing on MARVEL |
.htmlI like the glove glyph!
And Don't I recall seeing in the TV Show or somewhere the ammo belt being
worn as such?
The idea of these two SLIGHT deviations was to show Gideon as not being a
typical gorilla/soldier...he is an exterminator!
Anyway, I like bouncing things off Cougar because I know if he doesn't
absolutely HATE something, it will be generally acceptible to most POTA
fans! Right Cougar?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [ mlccougar@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Agreeing on MARVEL
My only problem with the way you drew Gideon is that he probably should have
been drawn without the glyphs on his gloves (they might have been better on
an ammo sling like the Hunt Leader) and he should have been wearing an ammo
bandolier, not a waist belt.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19781 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
.htmlI don't think Cougar really has a "problem" - he loves BTB....I think he is
saying "in a perfect world" - translate "in HIS perfect world".
Know what I mean Guvna? ;)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave B [ smugster@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon
there was no 'probably should have been' about it. I'm flabbergasted that
this could cause anyone a 'problem' .
Dave
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19782 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070 |
.htmlHey - don't I have a reputation for censoring anyone who disagrees with
me!?!?! ;)
Rich, my friend, they might have faces that LOOK LIKE PIZZA....but the stuff
where I draw the line involves TALKING PIZZA!!! Big difference! But I take
your cheeky point! ;)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Handley [ handleyr@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1070
>From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
>But my opinion is that to be well done, you don't include giant apes,
Mike... Mike.... we're talking about a series of films in which human-sized
chimpanzees walk upright, speak English and engage in intelligent discourse
about time travel and other scientific theories... where mutant humans have
developed psychic powers and worship an atomic bomb... and you find the
idea of a giant ape unrealistic? :)
>dudes with 8 eyeballs, brains in jars....blah blah blah!
As opposed to, say, pizza-faced mutants who hide behind Halloween masks of
attractiveness?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19783 |
From: James |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
.htmlWell in My perfect world I'd be married to Daisy Fuentes but you
don't hear me complaining about it;-)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> translate "in HIS perfect world". |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19784 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon |
.htmlYeah, but be REALISTIC James! ;)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: James [ JamesA1102@...]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 10:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dis -Agreeing on Gideon
Well in My perfect world I'd be married to Daisy Fuentes but you
don't hear me complaining about it;-)
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> translate "in HIS perfect world".
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19785 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.html
I'm no doctor (though I play one with the ladies) but it seems to me a successful blood transfusion would be trickier than a successful lobotomy. Though admittedly both these things are
being tried out on "lower animals" so maybe Taylor just got lucky. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Mithril1960@...
Why not? They knew how to lobotomize Landon... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19786 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Apes experimentation |
.html
Yeah, if you want to play the "Surgeon" card it would explain a lot, since the apes got to keep the surgical book. Actually, Virdon and burke's complete exploits are unknown,
so there's quite a bit the apes could've "passed down" from them. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
**** Well, we could say that the information learned in "The Surgeon" was
spread throughout the country and passed down from generation to generation and
that's how they knew how to do it in the year 3978... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19787 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: MARVEL |
.htmlYeah,
That's Lancelot Link Secret Chimp!
However, some people really do like POTA for Talking Monkeys...and good for
them!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [ will5967@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:MARVEL
on 7/29/04 6:19 PM, mlccougar@... at mlccougar@... wrote:
In a message dated 7/29/2004 2:23:03 PM Central Standard Time,
mail@... writes:
> Even the article features were excellent...
These articles, along with the adaptions, are the only thing that make the
magazine any good in my opinion... I mean all the rest of the stories are
called
Apes stories, when in reality the stories just have Apes in them just for
the
sake of having Apes in them... They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA...
"They aren't "APES" in context or anything
else... Talking Apes do not make it POTA..."
Praise the Lawgiver! MLCougar, I couldn't have said it any better myself!
Now THAT is what I'm talking about! Again, if you want to see talking ape
characters wearing bizarre clothing that does NOT fit in in any way, shape
or form with the original five POTA films or the TV series then more power
to ya! Just don't call it Planet of the Apes, Mister! The name is already
taken!
Will
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19788 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlAlthough it is true that an 80 year old played the dead Stewart, I
tend to think this Dianne Stanley was the young Stewart -- seing as
in the same year, she played a waitress, too...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > _Dianne Stanley_ (http://imdb.com/name/nm0822461/) ....
Stewart
> > (uncredited)
>
> The "dead" (ie mummified" Stewart was played by an old woman in her
80s...
> they used her real hands but made her up for the face... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19789 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1070 |
.htmlPersonally, I liked Pizza the Hutt...=)
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Rich, my friend, they might have faces that LOOK LIKE PIZZA....but
the stuff
> where I draw the line involves TALKING PIZZA!!! Big difference!
> As opposed to, say, pizza-faced mutants who hide behind Halloween
masks of
> attractiveness? |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19793 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Digest Number 1076 |
.htmlIn a message dated 8/1/2004 7:43:54 PM Central Standard Time,
HotScheetz@... writes:
> Although it is true that an 80 year old played the dead Stewart, I
> tend to think this Dianne Stanley was the young Stewart
That's right, she (Stanley) was the young one... I am sure he was asking who
played the corpse, so that's what I was answering...
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19795 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: The big question |
.htmlLike I said, I do still think the story could be re-done, faithful to Boulle
and Serling and Wilson, bringing it into the 21st century and leaving the
original as a tribute to the 20th century.
The real controversy lies in answering the question:
"What defines the spirit and soul of POTA?".
I can't really answer this......anyone else care to try?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [ will5967@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 6:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork
EXACTLY!!!
If you want to monkey with POTA then don't call it something else. Call it
"This is NOT Planet of the Apes" or... "Another Planet of the Apes"... or
"We have Talking Apes on Our Planet Too!"
Will
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19796 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Simply the Best.... |
.htmlYou know I'm biased, but I think you're right! ;)
Whitty
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [ will5967@...]
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)
on 7/29/04 6:48 PM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:
Well said Will!
Thanks Whitty! You're the best!
Will
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19797 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
.htmlAccording to Boulle - NO!
I'm sure I read Boulle was not at ALL happy with Planet.
That's why, if I were to "reinvent" the franchise, I would start with
Boulle's novel and rigidly analyse why Serling and Wilson decided to do what
they did to change it...and try to follow suit with a 21st Century theme.
I wonder how that would work?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [ nfoster@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Black and White artwork
Well the original film 'reinvented' / drastically altered Pierre
Boulle's novel, so do we still get to call that Planet of the Apes?
Neil
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19798 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
.htmlPrecisely. To each their own!
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [ nfoster@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
HOWEVER, I will say it again, I am FREAKED OUT by Chimps wearing
buckskins and coon skin caps, gorillas wearing Frazetta style viking
armor AND fat bellied gorillas wearing loin cloths and primitive
necklaces. To me, that is CRAP!!! and it AIN'T Planet of the Apes!
It's something else...
But to some of us it is still 'Planet of the Apes' a valid part of
the whole scene. Each to their own...
Neil
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19799 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Boulle's Planet |
|
.html From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
I'm sure I read Boulle was not at ALL happy with Planet.
That's why, if I were to "reinvent" the franchise, I would start with
Boulle's novel and rigidly analyse why Serling and Wilson decided to do what they did
to change it...and try to follow suit with a 21st Century theme.
*** I think they changed it because the basic premise was good enough, but
the story itself was not "commercial" enough I'd guess... (Even Boulle called
the book "One of his lesser works"...)***
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19800 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: marvel mag part 2 |
.htmlthat reminds me...
on of the mags i just read had the "island on the pota" story with that guy looking for taylor and crew.
mostly an example of talking apes, but kind of interesting becasue he is searching for ALL FOUR astronaughts: not knowing that stewart never made it, landon was lobotomized, dodge stuffed...
Mithril1960@... wrote:
_Dianne Stanley_ ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0822461/) .... Stewart
(uncredited) |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19801 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: landon |
.htmlthe scene where taylor finds landon is a very horrifying scene.
one of many very intense, dramatic scenes in that movie
Mithril1960@... wrote:
Why not? They knew how to lobotomize Landon... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19802 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: marvel mag |
|
.html i just read two of these.
one of them was the last chapter of conquest. while reading it, i could hear the music in my head.
and the final pages were really great becasue they did not include that tacked on dialogue where caesar calms down a bit.
rob
In a message dated 8/1/2004 1:16:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:
While I brought all 29 issues of the magazine, I will say after the
first few issues I had some disappointment with it. Not for the
excellent adaptations of the movies but for Marvel's original
stories.
Too bad they won't reprint those. My issues are long gone. I'm still pissed
that Marvel cancelled it without even a warning in the last issue. Lousy Human
Bastards... <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19803 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Black and White artwork |
.htmlyes, i also took issue with the odd looking gorillas.
when reading the comics, i didnt really feel like on was on the pota becasue of the different way all the apes looked.
rrob
mlccougar@... wrote:
Not to mention drawing Apes that looked more like
toads with hair, and the way they drew Gorillas with pony-tails... |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19804 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Mighty Marvel POTA Comics |
|
.html whoops!
i am very sorry.
anyways, you humans all look alike ;)
rob <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19805 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/1/2004 |
| Subject: Marvel mag |
.htmlI remember getting that issue as a child and I was so excited I read that
Caesar speech to a car full of people - who just didn't get it!\
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [ brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] marvel mag
i just read two of these.
one of them was the last chapter of conquest. while reading it, i could hear
the music in my head.
and the final pages were really great becasue they did not include that
tacked on dialogue where caesar calms down a bit.
rob
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19806 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
.html Neil...
We have been tortured long enough...may we now please have chapter 11?
Michael
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19807 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle and White artwork |
.htmlBoulle didn't like the idea that Man destroyed himself with nuclear war,
and called that development in the film "a temptation from the devil". He
preferred his own story, where mankind gets lazy and uninterested in things
and the apes take over. Boulle said in "Cinefantastique" that he wasn't
interested in movies (though he did do the "Planet of the Men" script, and
tried to veer it back to his ideas). - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> According to Boulle - NO!
>
> I'm sure I read Boulle was not at ALL happy with Planet.
>
> That's why, if I were to "reinvent" the franchise, I would start with
> Boulle's novel and rigidly analyse why Serling and Wilson decided to do
what
> they did to change it...and try to follow suit with a 21st Century theme.
>
> I wonder how that would work?
>
> Michael
>
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19808 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: POWER Records adapation of BENEATH |
|
.html It was brought up last week how in the original script for BENEATH it shows
Taylor seeing the ruins of NYC and how he is trying to ride to them, but isn't
able to due to the Mutant's illusions blocking his path, and how that his
seeing the city was cut from the film (though the illusions remained intact,
except the wall of ice became a mountain...)
I find it interesting though that in the POWER adaption of BENEATH he does
see the ruined city, and one of the illusions he is faced with is a wall of ice
(as are the Gorillas later on...) These weren't in the film, but in the book
and record adaption, which asks the question: What source(s) was POWER working
from for their adaption(s)?
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19809 |
From: mlccougar@aol.com |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Boulle's dislikes... |
|
.html From: <veetus@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 2, 2004 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle and White artwork
Boulle didn't like the idea that Man destroyed himself with nuclear war,
and called that development in the film "a temptation from the devil".
*** I thought when he said that "temptation from the Devil" line, he was
referring only to the Statue of Liberty ending shot, not the whole nuclear war
thing... But, it's true that seeing the Statue tells Taylor Man destroyed
himself, so I guess they could be the same thing...***
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19810 |
From: Neil |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Neil...
> We have been tortured long enough...may we now please have chapter
11?
No you deserve more torture so here you go! ;-)
(Plays intro, the crowd goes wild)
What have I done? Anything wrong?... Hey! I wasn't that good!
(crowd cheers more)
So err, so err because
we're uh not gonna play that one tonight
anyway
(crowd boos)
All right
We'll do it...
(crowd cheers)
On one condition, you've got to join in and sing along!.. (I took a
lot of persuading!)
(plays intro again)
(to the tune of the Kinks' Lola)
I met him in a desert in the Forbidden Zone
Where he tracks down men and tries to wipe them off the face of the
POTA
Pee Oh Tee Aye, POTA
He walked up to me and he pointed his gun
I asked him his name and in a deep rough voice he said Gideon
Gid ee oh en Gideon, Guh Guh Guh Guh Gideon
Etc. Etc.
(sorry!)
Oh all right GO ON THEN, it's okay with me!
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19811 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.htmlYOU NUT!
Dave, could you please forward the goods to James?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [ nfoster@...]
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 3:43 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Neil...
> We have been tortured long enough...may we now please have chapter
11?
No you deserve more torture so here you go! ;-)
(Plays intro, the crowd goes wild)
What have I done? Anything wrong?... Hey! I wasn't that good!
(crowd cheers more)
So err, so err because... we're uh not gonna play that one tonight
anyway...
(crowd boos)
All right... We'll do it...
(crowd cheers)
On one condition, you've got to join in and sing along!.. (I took a
lot of persuading!)
(plays intro again)
(to the tune of the Kinks' Lola)
I met him in a desert in the Forbidden Zone
Where he tracks down men and tries to wipe them off the face of the
POTA
Pee - Oh - Tee - Aye, POTA
He walked up to me and he pointed his gun
I asked him his name and in a deep rough voice he said Gideon
Gid - ee - oh - en Gideon, Guh - Guh - Guh - Guh Gideon...
Etc. Etc.
(sorry!)
Oh all right GO ON THEN, it's okay with me!
Neil
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19812 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.htmlNeil,
Keep your art job...As a singer, you make a great plumber...=)
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Neil...
> > We have been tortured long enough...may we now please have
chapter
> 11?
>
> No you deserve more torture so here you go! ;-)
>
> (Plays intro, the crowd goes wild)
> What have I done? Anything wrong?... Hey! I wasn't that good!
> (crowd cheers more)
> So err, so err because
we're uh not gonna play that one tonight
> anyway
> (crowd boos)
> All right
We'll do it...
> (crowd cheers)
> On one condition, you've got to join in and sing along!.. (I took a
> lot of persuading!)
> (plays intro again)
>
> (to the tune of the Kinks' Lola)
> I met him in a desert in the Forbidden Zone
> Where he tracks down men and tries to wipe them off the face of the
> POTA
> Pee Oh Tee Aye, POTA
>
> He walked up to me and he pointed his gun
> I asked him his name and in a deep rough voice he said Gideon
> Gid ee oh en Gideon, Guh Guh Guh Guh Gideon
>
> Etc. Etc.
> (sorry!)
>
> Oh all right GO ON THEN, it's okay with me!
>
> Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19813 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: bizarre, unnatural |
.htmlI'm not for sale! ;)
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [ alan@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 6:45 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] B&W artwork, TV series development (slightly OT)
Then there are people like me, who find a bizarre, unnatural
appearance a damn good reason to buy something!
Alan
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19814 |
From: Whitty, Michael |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlBoys and girls,
Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book thread, we are
seeking to stop it momantarily.
Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the question brought
up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of POTA? Is it
Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
Michael
-----Original Message-----
From: shanter2002 [ mail@...]
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 7:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Comics are Planet of the Apes
'what do Apes fans feel Apes
IS?'.For some it's just the first movie, for some it's just the
Megos, for most it's a combination.For me personally it's the whole
shooting match and, if pressed, if I had to choose between my Marvel
Mags and the videos of the fourth and fifth movies for a ten year
stay in solitary, I'd choose my Mags because that's the way I
feel.The comics are Apes to me, without reservation.And yes, we're
certainly friends Will---healthy debate is good.John,Scrolls.
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19815 |
From: Neil |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Neil,
>
> Keep your art job...As a singer, you make a great plumber...=)
Awww, but I sound so good when I type the words out!
Just think yourself very very lucky you don't have to listen to me
singing in the shower! ;-)
Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19816 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlWhat is POTA?
By Helen
POTA is thinking, reasoning, talking chimpanzees, orangutans, and
gorillas
and mute humans.
POTA is Roddy & Kim.
POTA is John Chambers
and Apes makeups.
POTA is vivid olive greens, goldenrods, and plumbs.
POTA is glyphs!
POTA is time travel
and the Forbidden Zone.
POTA is about building friendships...
and maintaining fragile relationships.
The end.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Boys and girls,
>
> Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book thread,
we are
> seeking to stop it momantarily.
>
> Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the
question brought
> up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
>
> 'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of
POTA? Is it
> Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
>
> Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
>
> Michael |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19817 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.html--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> What is POTA?
I would say anything, be it film, book, comic, merchandise etc that can be said
to be based upon or `inspired by' characters or situations created by Pierre
Boulle in his novel `La planete de la singes'
Dave |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19818 |
From: Dave B |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.html> What is POTA?
I would say anything, be it film, book, comic, merchandise that can be said to
be based upon or `inspired by' characters and/or situations created by Pierre
Boulle in his novel `La planete de la singes'
Dave |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19819 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlTo me it is the first comic I ever read (Marvel #8) that had adult
content and crazy things going on that grabbed my interest.
And it just kept giving!
Comic after comic, toy after toy, novels, colouring books, posters!
This thing that I loves, that alienated me from most of the other
guys around ne - it just gave and gave.
Planet wasn't so great to me - I already knew it was Earth! Return
was better - the surprise of coming home after school - AND SEEING
POTA THERE ON THE SCREEN AT 3:30 pm!
POTA is my childhood...or what I had of one....
Michael
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
> > What is POTA?
>
> I would say anything, be it film, book, comic, merchandise that
can be said to
> be based upon or `inspired by' characters and/or situations
created by Pierre
> Boulle in his novel `La planete de la singes'
>
> Dave |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19820 |
From: Michael Whitty |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlPOTA is an obsession...
Michael
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:
> What is POTA?
> By Helen
>
> POTA is thinking, reasoning, talking chimpanzees, orangutans, and
> gorillas
> and mute humans.
> POTA is Roddy & Kim.
> POTA is John Chambers
> and Apes makeups.
> POTA is vivid olive greens, goldenrods, and plumbs.
> POTA is glyphs!
> POTA is time travel
> and the Forbidden Zone.
> POTA is about building friendships...
> and maintaining fragile relationships.
>
> The end.
>
>
> |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19821 |
From: ape_mom |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlYuh.
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> POTA is an obsession...
>
> Michael |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19822 |
From: ron kenner |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
.htmlwas pota the first entity that used statue of liberty as a symbol of the earth's destruction?
mlccougar@... wrote:From: <veetus@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 2, 2004 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle and White artwork
Boulle didn't like the idea that Man destroyed himself with nuclear war,
and called that development in the film "a temptation from the devil".
*** I thought when he said that "temptation from the Devil" line, he was
referring only to the Statue of Liberty ending shot, not the whole nuclear war
thing... But, it's true that seeing the Statue tells Taylor Man destroyed
himself, so I guess they could be the same thing...*** |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19823 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
.html
The Statue of Liberty is the only thing in the first movie that says, "Nuclear war". And not even that, just that Man destroyed himself. Really, it doesn't even say that,
Taylor just assumes. Man could've been taken out by a natural disaster, etc. I don't think Boulle was very clear about why he didn't like it (it's talked about in Greene's book). Maybe it was too
heavyhanded for him. His version is more satirical. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: mlccougar@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 10:49 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Boulle's dislikes...
From: <veetus@e...>
Date: Mon Aug 2, 2004 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle and White artwork
Boulle didn't like the idea that Man destroyed himself with nuclear war,
and called that development in the film "a temptation from the devil".
*** I thought when he said that "temptation from the Devil" line, he was
referring only to the Statue of Liberty ending shot, not the whole nuclear war
thing... But, it's true that seeing the Statue tells Taylor Man destroyed
himself, so I guess they could be the same thing...*** |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19824 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.html
Everyone has their own irterpretation of what the "spirit/soul" of POTA is. For some it's the social commentary and how it relates to our own "planet". Others find
that "reading too much in" and just enjoy them at face value. Some are purists who stick strictly to canon, others like seeing POTA has to say in new situations. And for some the "spirit" is how much
stuff they can collect.
I think there is no one answer. I guess the closest we can get is a love for a well-told sci-fi tale. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: Whitty, Michael
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] The Bigger Question - Respectfully.
Boys and girls,
Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book thread, we are
seeking to stop it momantarily.
Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the question brought
up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of POTA? Is it
Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
Michael |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19825 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully. |
.htmlSing it, Neil.
----- Original Message -----
From: ape_mom
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully.
What is POTA?
By Helen
POTA is thinking, reasoning, talking chimpanzees, orangutans, and
gorillas.
and mute humans.
POTA is Roddy & Kim.
POTA is John Chambers.
and Apes makeups.
POTA is vivid olive greens, goldenrods, and plumbs.
POTA is glyphs!
POTA is time travel.
and the Forbidden Zone.
POTA is about building friendships...
and maintaining fragile relationships.
The end. |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19826 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.htmlI think I'm lucky not to have to look at you singing in the shower...
G
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hotscheetz" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > Neil,
> >
> > Keep your art job...As a singer, you make a great plumber...=)
>
> Awww, but I sound so good when I type the words out!
> Just think yourself very very lucky you don't have to listen to me
> singing in the shower! ;-)
>
> Neil |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19827 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
|
.html Neil, Dave, luved it as usual...Michael, you need to empty out the
used tea-bags...
I could swear that in the last panel on page 33 there is a tiny Tim
Burton sitting in a director's chair, amid the humans...Tell me I'm
wrong!...Tell me the end isn't Burton yelling cut!!...Tell me this
isn't really "Beware the Burton"!!!...
G <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19828 |
From: Hunter Goatley |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Beware the Neil - Chapter 11 |
.html> Neil, Dave, luved it as usual...
Yep! It was great, as always! Thanks!
Hunter |
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19829 |
From: hotscheetz |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Beware the Beast... |
|
.html For those of you who don't know it, James110261 is the one that keeps
this site running, for the most part, by doing all the tech thingys
that us computer stupid people have no concept of...
One of the most noticable things, at least right now, is that James
is the one responsible for putting "Beware the Beast" up on the
site...
So, I think it would be nice if everyone here gave James a thanks
right along with Neil and Dave, and oh yeah, that tea-making fellow,
Mikey...
Thanks James...
G <.html
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| Group: potadg |
Message: 19830 |
From: veetus@earthlink.net |
Date: 8/2/2004 |
| Subject: Re: Boulle's dislikes... |
.html
Naw, the Statue appears in post-apocalyptic sci-fi at least since the early 20th Century. And even the idea of apes taking over predates Boulle. Nothing's new under the sun. - - - Jeff
----- Original Message -----
From: ron kenner
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Boulle's dislikes...
was pota the first entity that used statue of liberty as a symbol of the earth's destruction? |
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