Thanks to Greg P. (again!), the partial "PotA" script by Charles
Eastman is available for download as a PDF file.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Thanks, James. Thanks, Neil. Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Michael. Thanks, John-Boy. Good job! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: hotscheetz
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast...


For those of you who don't know it, James110261 is the one that keeps
this site running, for the most part, by doing all the tech thingys
that us computer stupid people have no concept of...
One of the most noticable things, at least right now, is that James
is the one responsible for putting "Beware the Beast" up on the
site...
So, I think it would be nice if everyone here gave James a thanks
right along with Neil and Dave, and oh yeah, that tea-making fellow,
Mikey...

Thanks James...

G

whaaaaaaaaaat??
get outta here!
talking apes prior to pota?
do tell.
(seriously)
rob
oosa

s@... wrote:
Naw, the Statue appears in post-apocalyptic sci-fi at least since the early 20th Century. And even the idea of apes taking over predates Boulle. Nothing's new under the sun. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: ron kenner
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Boulle's dislikes...


was pota the first entity that used statue of liberty as a symbol of the earth's destruction?

Thanks to Greg P. (of course!), the partial "PotA" script written by
Charles Eastman is now available for download as a PDF file. Included
is a paragraph from Brian Pendreigh's "Legend of the Planet of the
Apes" explaining about this script.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Thanks, Greg!

Hunter

Thanks to James for getting it posted as well as all of the other stuff he does. I finally had time this weekend to look at some of the recent additions he made to the internal site and it's wonderful stuff.

BTB Ch 11 SPOILERS









Chapter 11 is another fine installment. You can just feel things coming to a head. You can tell how well Dave has structured this story if you go back and read it all from the beginning. I'm thinking of the last panel on page 22 (chapter 8) where Gideon looks at Skipper's grave and thinks 'Got room for more?' and it takes on a different meaning for me now that I've seen Gideon wonder at the top of page 33 if he should save one of the remaining bullets for himself. When I first read page 22 I thought the 'room for more' he was thinking of was for the humans pursuing him, but now I'm wondering if Gideon was just then starting to think that he might not make it out of this alive and he was engaging in a little gallows humor with himself. As nice as the artwork is, I think Dave has really given Gideon an interesting inner voice and that it's this voice that really makes the comic shine.

The art is spectacular, as usual, but I was particularly taken with the last three panels on page 33. The two shots of Gideon in the cockpit of the ship, from both inside and outside, really show his isolation as he realizes how trapped and alone he is, and then the final panel with the humans swarming all over the ship and the surrounding area really show how screwed he is.

Can't wait to see how this all ends.

Greg P.

hotscheetz <HotScheetz@...> wrote:
So, I think it would be nice if everyone here gave James a thanks
right along with Neil and Dave, and oh yeah, that tea-making fellow,
Mikey...

Thanks James...

G


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Thanks also to Greg Harris (Greg #2) who supplied me with the scans for this script. It's very odd (to say the least), so I thought it worthwhile to add the info from Legend of the PotA to provide context. For those purists who just want to print the script without the embellishment, just start printing with page 2.

Greg P.

Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:
Thanks to Greg P. (of course!), the partial "PotA" script written by
Charles Eastman is now available for download as a PDF file. Included
is a paragraph from Brian Pendreigh's "Legend of the Planet of the
Apes" explaining about this script.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Thanks, Greg!

Hunter



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Thanks James!

And by the way, James' use of the soundtrack on the site has
inspired us to try to release a cd with the comic when it is
published.....so he is also the 4th Beetle...I mean Beast...oh, you
know what I mean!

Michael

PS and co-founder of this group.....

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Thanks, James. Thanks, Neil. Thanks, Dave. Thanks, Michael.
Thanks, John-Boy. Good job! - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: hotscheetz
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:01 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast...
>
>
> For those of you who don't know it, James110261 is the one that
keeps
> this site running, for the most part, by doing all the tech
thingys
> that us computer stupid people have no concept of...
> One of the most noticable things, at least right now, is that
James
> is the one responsible for putting "Beware the Beast" up on the
> site...
> So, I think it would be nice if everyone here gave James a
thanks
> right along with Neil and Dave, and oh yeah, that tea-making
fellow,
> Mikey...
>
> Thanks James...
>
> G

Welcome to PotaDG...Feel free to come on down and check out our
wonderful features..."Beware the Beast", our comic, has just taken us
one step closer to its climactic conclusion...Give us your opinion...

Glen

Isn't he the one who started "Gideon's Guerillas, er, Gorillas"?

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Thanks James!
>
> And by the way, James' use of the soundtrack on the site has
> inspired us to try to release a cd with the comic when it is
> published.....so he is also the 4th Beetle...I mean Beast...oh, you
> know what I mean!
>
> Michael

Oh thanks Jeff - now I'm reading it to the tune of "Lola"! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 1:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully.


Sing it, Neil.

----- Original Message -----
From: ape_mom
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 4:46 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Bigger Question - Respectfully.


What is POTA?
By Helen

POTA is thinking, reasoning, talking chimpanzees, orangutans, and
gorillas.
and mute humans.
POTA is Roddy & Kim.
POTA is John Chambers.
and Apes makeups.
POTA is vivid olive greens, goldenrods, and plumbs.
POTA is glyphs!
POTA is time travel.
and the Forbidden Zone.
POTA is about building friendships...
and maintaining fragile relationships.

I love the places this comic has taken us. I don't know if we realised when
we chose this comic (I know Neil didn't!), but I don't think it really
registed WHERE this comic would take us...to the forbidden zone, with some
of the most amazing desert landscapes I have seen....to the spaceship....to
the INSIDE of the spaceship....no wonder Neil reads the comic scripts VERY
carefully now....the detail of inside the ship is AMAZING!

Great writing Dave, great art Neil....

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast...


Thanks to James for getting it posted as well as all of the other stuff he
does. I finally had time this weekend to look at some of the recent
additions he made to the internal site and it's wonderful stuff.

BTB Ch 11 SPOILERS


Chapter 11 is another fine installment. You can just feel things coming to a
head. You can tell how well Dave has structured this story if you go back
and read it all from the beginning. I'm thinking of the last panel on page
22 (chapter 8) where Gideon looks at Skipper's grave and thinks 'Got room
for more?' and it takes on a different meaning for me now that I've seen
Gideon wonder at the top of page 33 if he should save one of the remaining
bullets for himself. When I first read page 22 I thought the 'room for more'
he was thinking of was for the humans pursuing him, but now I'm wondering if
Gideon was just then starting to think that he might not make it out of this
alive and he was engaging in a little gallows humor with himself. As nice as
the artwork is, I think Dave has really given Gideon an interesting inner
voice and that it's this voice that really makes the comic shine.

The art is spectacular, as usual, but I was particularly taken with the last
three panels on page 33. The two shots of Gideon in the cockpit of the ship,
from both inside and outside, really show his isolation as he realizes how
trapped and alone he is, and then the final panel with the humans swarming
all over the ship and the surrounding area really show how screwed he is.

Can't wait to see how this all ends.

Am I mistaken that this story came from an original POTA fanfic that
Dave Ballard wrote previously? I made a point of NOT reading that
story for fear that it would ruin the comic for me. Is the comic
going in a different direction than the original story? Am I
supposed to be talking about this?

Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I love the places this comic has taken us. I don't know if we

realised when

> we chose this comic (I know Neil didn't!), but I don't think it

really

> registed WHERE this comic would take us...to the forbidden zone,

with some

> of the most amazing desert landscapes I have seen....to the

spaceship....to

> the INSIDE of the spaceship....no wonder Neil reads the comic

scripts VERY

> carefully now....the detail of inside the ship is AMAZING!
>
> Great writing Dave, great art Neil....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:22 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast...
>
>
> Thanks to James for getting it posted as well as all of the other

stuff he

> does. I finally had time this weekend to look at some of the recent
> additions he made to the internal site and it's wonderful stuff.
>
> BTB Ch 11 SPOILERS
>
>
> Chapter 11 is another fine installment. You can just feel things

coming to a

> head. You can tell how well Dave has structured this story if you

go back

> and read it all from the beginning. I'm thinking of the last panel

on page

> 22 (chapter 8) where Gideon looks at Skipper's grave and

thinks 'Got room

> for more?' and it takes on a different meaning for me now that I've

seen

> Gideon wonder at the top of page 33 if he should save one of the

remaining

> bullets for himself. When I first read page 22 I thought the 'room

for more'

> he was thinking of was for the humans pursuing him, but now I'm

wondering if

> Gideon was just then starting to think that he might not make it

out of this

> alive and he was engaging in a little gallows humor with himself.

As nice as

> the artwork is, I think Dave has really given Gideon an interesting

inner

> voice and that it's this voice that really makes the comic shine.
>
> The art is spectacular, as usual, but I was particularly taken with

the last

> three panels on page 33. The two shots of Gideon in the cockpit of

the ship,

> from both inside and outside, really show his isolation as he

realizes how

> trapped and alone he is, and then the final panel with the humans

swarming

> all over the ship and the surrounding area really show how screwed

he is.

>
> Can't wait to see how this all ends.
>
>

I believe the original title was "The Final Stand"....Dave?

It differs in parts but mainly in that it was adapted, I think...Dave can
you tell us more please?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast Chapter 11 - spoilers


Am I mistaken that this story came from an original POTA fanfic that
Dave Ballard wrote previously? I made a point of NOT reading that
story for fear that it would ruin the comic for me. Is the comic
going in a different direction than the original story? Am I
supposed to be talking about this?

Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I love the places this comic has taken us. I don't know if we

realised when

> we chose this comic (I know Neil didn't!), but I don't think it

really

> registed WHERE this comic would take us...to the forbidden zone,

with some

> of the most amazing desert landscapes I have seen....to the

spaceship....to

> the INSIDE of the spaceship....no wonder Neil reads the comic

scripts VERY

> carefully now....the detail of inside the ship is AMAZING!
>
> Great writing Dave, great art Neil....
>
> Michael

Hey, feeling like Mr. Magoo would mean you'd walk into things... he's short sighted not short memoried... we got what ya ment though... about stealing thunder and all. ;)

-Chris (kinda being a dick)

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Hey Mike - sorry if I stole your thunder....I tend to piss people off with
my poor memory! I feel like Mr Magoo sometimes! ;)

That could very well have been the sequence of events - that you suggested
this and James took it on, giving us a sample of what you were referring
to....so thanks to BOTH of you!...and to whoever said they read BTB with the
soundtrack playing....

Michael

Well, it was the walking around bumping into things...BECAUSE I have a poor
memory that I was referring to! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: HollowedOut [at_deaths_door@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] BTB's soundtrack...


Hey, feeling like Mr. Magoo would mean you'd walk into things... he's short
sighted not short memoried... we got what ya ment though... about stealing
thunder and all. ;)

-Chris (kinda being a dick)

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Hey Mike - sorry if I stole your thunder....I tend to piss people off with
my poor memory! I feel like Mr Magoo sometimes! ;)

That could very well have been the sequence of events - that you suggested
this and James took it on, giving us a sample of what you were referring
to....so thanks to BOTH of you!...and to whoever said they read BTB with the
soundtrack playing....

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Mithril1960@a... wrote:

> The 24-foot plywood spaceship from the first movie appears for the

last

> time, in the pilot episode.

++ If I have one sad objective in my entire life, it's to buy that
bloody thing and put it in my back garden.

Then I would be content.

Mark T-B

Screw that - I am going to build a scale model that FLIES!!!
Wahahahahahah!!!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA TV Trivia (IMDB)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> The 24-foot plywood spaceship from the first movie appears for the
last
> time, in the pilot episode.


++ If I have one sad objective in my entire life, it's to buy that
bloody thing and put it in my back garden.

Then I would be content.

Mark T-B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
> The idea of these two SLIGHT deviations was to show Gideon as not

being a

> typical gorilla/soldier...he is an exterminator!
>

+++ To me, Gideon is not evil. He is an unfortunate victim.

Let's hope he reactivates Brent's ship and flies back to Earth to
1972. That way, after he arrives, he can hang out with Lewis and
Stevie and hopefully not f**k up the publicity tour the way
Cornelius and Zira did.

Mark T-B.

Yes...I wonder what he would reveal after some "grape juice plus"!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Agreeing on MARVEL


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
> The idea of these two SLIGHT deviations was to show Gideon as not

being a

> typical gorilla/soldier...he is an exterminator!
>

+++ To me, Gideon is not evil. He is an unfortunate victim.

Let's hope he reactivates Brent's ship and flies back to Earth to
1972. That way, after he arrives, he can hang out with Lewis and
Stevie and hopefully not f**k up the publicity tour the way
Cornelius and Zira did.

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:

> Well in My perfect world I'd be married to Daisy Fuentes but you
> don't hear me complaining about it;-)

++ I had a look at pics of Daisy Fuentes on a site and I really
don't understand why you consider her "of note".

Boring soft core star. Same Old Same Old...

IMHO

Mark T-B.

OK - let's not have this as inspiration to bring up a thread on soft core
porn stars OK?

Sparky! You bad boy! Stop looking at those pictures....you eyesight will
get WORSE!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 11:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Daisy in a Perfect World (OT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
> Well in My perfect world I'd be married to Daisy Fuentes but you
> don't hear me complaining about it;-)

++ I had a look at pics of Daisy Fuentes on a site and I really
don't understand why you consider her "of note".

Boring soft core star. Same Old Same Old...

IMHO

Mark T-B.

Hey Mark,

I'm sorry mate - when I asked you to get back posting I forgot to mention
there has been some hurt feelings over some of the comments made re. comic
books and I recently asked that the topic be made "taboo" so people can get
over this and on with things that DON'T upset individuals. This is VERY
serious....some fairly important group members have had their feathers
ruffled and one particulary high profile member left the group (then
thankfully returned)....and yet ANOTHER particulary high profile member left
the group last night....and if he does NOT return we will all feel it
STRONGLY.

HOWEVER - I also agreed with John R that most of this is down to what POTA
is to an individual - what MAKES it POTA - what is the SPIRIT/SOUL of POTA.
I have to say here and now that probably THE most important message from
POTA was that if we humans don't stop squabbling and fighting and learn to
live inpeace, we will ultimately destroy ourselves and eachother. This is
why I often assume POTA people are pacifists and people who strive for
resolution. This is what I expect from all of you, and it is what I try to
practice myself. I know we all make mistakes, but I hope we are all on the
same team here.

Mark, I accidentally appoved your last message then had to rip it out
(delete it) much like Landon's frontal lobe! It's a shame because it was
very well written and couldn't have upset anybody (you would THINK), but
like I said people need to cool off.

I'll keep the message and in a week or so I'll talk to all those who got
upset and we'l try to get resolution.

Let's all be nice, people.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> "What defines the spirit and soul of POTA?".
>
> I can't really answer this......anyone else care to try?
>
> Michael

+++ I think I could have a really good try at this. But I'd be
repeating myself.

If you want to discuss the quality and success of Schaffner's film:

It's all about time, place, politics, life experience of the people
with a direct influence on the production... Expectations, Arthur
Jacobs not wanting to let it go, Heston deciding to commit, the last
possible time when you could take a $10m chance not completely based
on audience demographics -- basically because Zanuck Snr.'s
aftershave still permeated the corridors at Fox.

Heston commits to an insane project because he simply "believes in
it" and suddenly it's a viable commodity. Because of that, Zanuck
Jr. says "yes" as well, and he's not stupid, but he does it on trust.

Then it's still about ideas sold on a nod and a wink. Art. Hard
Work. Line producer Mort Abrahams says to Schaffner three weeks
into principal photography in Utah or somewhere: "Man, how many
days are we going to keep shooting Heston and the boys walking
through the desert?". Schaffner replies: "As long as it takes. I
need to set up the scenario properly."

And do we all agree that the long desert walk set-up works??

I could go ON and ON, but I think that the spirit and soul of POTA,
and therefore the movie they made and the movie that we LOVE -- can
be ultimately defined as a collective of their experiences. LIFE
EXPERIENCE ENABLES A WRITER. The need to make good drama and being
given the environment in which to make it.

Boulle worked for the Resistance during WW2. He
didn't spend his early middle-age watching tv (unlike Tim Burton).
Don't forget he also wrote KWAI -- which is "quite good". Michael
Wilson (writer) who made a significant contribution to the
screenplay -- was a blacklisted writer after the McCarthy hearings.
But he stayed at the typewriter. And then
you've got Rod Serling -- and none of us need an introduction to him.

As Sidney Lumet says: Time, Place, People. Work hard and be
confident that you've got the absolute best considering the
circumstances. Script foremost, then cast, then see what you get.

In the film business, it's always, ALWAYS been a crap shoot (to make
a "good" film), even given the facts above. But in 1967, the dice
rolled out beautifully for Schaffner and his Gang.

I think that's basically because they were clever people.

My two cents.

Mark T-B.

on 8/2/04 1:01 PM, hotscheetz at HotScheetz@... wrote:

For those of you who don't know it, James110261 is the one that keeps
this site running, for the most part, by doing all the tech thingys
that us computer stupid people have no concept of...
One of the most noticable things, at least right now, is that James
is the one responsible for putting "Beware the Beast" up on the
site...
So, I think it would be nice if everyone here gave James a thanks
right along with Neil and Dave, and oh yeah, that tea-making fellow,
Mikey...

Thanks James...

G


Thanks James!

Will


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]

> Am I mistaken that this story came from an original POTA fanfic that

Dave Ballard wrote previously?

Correcto-mundo!

>I made a point of NOT reading that story for fear that it would ruin the comic

for me.

I'd be very surprised if you HAD read it beacause the prose version was never
published

>Is the comic going in a different direction than the original story?

My original ends about the same place as chapter eleven - that has just been
posted - Any credit for chapter twelve must go to Mike and Neil who talked me
into it.

> Am I supposed to be talking about this?

No... Now we are going to have to kill you :0)

> I believe the original title was "The Final Stand"....Dave?

The original title was actually `Mallus' which was my original name for
Gideon. I liked the name Mallus because I thought it sounded a little like
`Malice'. It then became `The final stand' Then when it was to be a comic it
changed to "Last stand in a Zone Forbidden" as a nod to the 70's Marvel style
of story titles and finally 'Beware the beast ' as we felt the previous titles gave
too much away (always a problem).

I think the comic version is very faithful to the original. Gideon speaks more
(too himself) and it's been mentioned that you get a clearer idea of what's
going on in his head - other than that it's pretty much the same.

Dave

An aquaintance of mine is looking to complete his Hasbro collection. These
are the 12 inch 30th anniversary figures and he's looking for the Conquest
gorilla and Zira.

They have to be boxed and never have been opened.

If anyone has either or both for sale could you drop me a line off board and I'll
set the wheels in motion.

Dave

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]
>
> > Am I mistaken that this story came from an original POTA fanfic

that

> Dave Ballard wrote previously?
>
> Correcto-mundo!
>
> >I made a point of NOT reading that story for fear that it would

ruin the comic

> for me.
>
> I'd be very surprised if you HAD read it beacause the prose version

was never

> published
>
> Dave

Ha ha ha! I've been AVOIDING reading your fan fic on Kassidy's site
BECAUSE I didn't want to ruin the impact the comic would have!!

--Helen

In a message dated 8/3/2004 8:29:11 AM Central Standard Time,
smugster@... writes:

> These are the 12 inch 30th anniversary figures and he's looking for the
> Conquest
> gorilla

The CONQUEST Gorilla was never made... They went with the brown/maroon outfit
Gorilla instead... And the Gorilla Sgt. (whose stripes really indicate a
Captain...)

These pop up on eBay quite a bit, and they're usually cheap...


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> The CONQUEST Gorilla was never made... They went with the brown/

maroon outfit Gorilla instead

Yeah, that's the one I meant. I never really bothered to look that close - I
thought that outfit was a jumpsuit!

Dave

I see Boulle's book as a satire on human society which would make a 21rst
century movie.I would like to see more of today's issues such as conservation and
global problems as opposed to the bomb theme which was relevant in the
sixties. Elaine


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

> Not sure who wrote this:
>

Chris,

I'm not sure what you mean by definitive, Chris, but I have the
original "Logan's Run". It might be worth something, however, playing
it many times over, I fear that it's not in very good shape. (The
cover has Longan and Jessica running under a rainbow --- the city
below them, I think.)

Yes, I love "Adromeda Strain". It was the first sci fi movie I
remember seeing on the big screen. Everytime I look top see who wrote
it, I baffled in how young Criton was when he authored it.

Wendy

>
>
> Gil Melle did this as well in the early 70s. I also believe he

delivered

> the first ever complete electronic film score with the Andromeda

Strain.

>
> BTW, since there are so many Goldsmith fans here, does anyone know

what

> the *definitive* version of the Logan's Run soundtrack is? I have

one

> that was released on the Bay Cities label in the mid 90s, and

there's one

> on amazon.com released in 1992 on the Dead Line label (selling for

$100

> no less), but wasn't there one or two releases since then?
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>

I have an on again, off again computer so I only got and bits pieces of the
comic discussion. What I like about the comics is, there is something for
everybody. I prefer the original Marvals but thought the recent comics were
creative even if they seemed out there. I am fascinated by the artwork which is why I
like BTB, the art is great. Elaine


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POTA is apes dominating the earth and humans being subservient to them. Elaine


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> U all to hell!
>
> Hahahahahhah!!!!
>
> Michael
>

> What dam?

I not sure. Hoover, I think. I don't know my dams too well, whether
they still exist or not, but I sure as hell swear well enough. Oh,
yes, that's the other dam, you know, the one spelled with the n at
the end.

Yours, the grammar deaf mutant.

>
>

You know my answer is on this one is. I've been working on alternate
universe for years. Thanks to other published authors, I had to
change my POTA universe to my own. It rather working out nicely,
though. Can't complain. Though I have to admit that I've had a sneaky
idea that my universe is POTA. But hell, the publisher's don't need
to know, do they? In any case, I having fun --- being sneaky that is.
Fire away guys. My vote is alternate, though I like the filler.
Imagination is the true master of all things created by humankind.

Wendy

>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> PotaDG group:
>
> What kind of POTA comic strip stories would
> you like to see produced?
>
> o "fill in the blanks" Stories that deal with the gaps in

existing continuity. That deal with established characters and
situations but try not to `upset' anything already laid down. (For
example Marvel's bridge between Conquest and Battle)

> o "meanwhile not so far away" Stories that deal with NEW

characters but work within a well established framework (For example
Beware the beast)

> o `'Cross-overs' Stories that combine characters and situations

from another franchise with that of POTA (For example Ape-Nation)

> o `Flights of fancy' Stories that ignore existing rules and

continuity and just go for it. (For example most of the adventure
comics)

> o What if - Alternate universe stories that use existing

characters and situations but asks what if? (For example What if
Jonesy had lived? What if the Alpha Omega bomb had been a dud?)

>
>
> To vote, please visit the following web page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/surveys?id=1501482
>
> Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
> not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
> web site listed above.
>
> Thanks!

Not to mention that they were afraid audiences would laugh at it.

Wendy

>
> *** I think they changed it because the basic premise was good

enough, but

> the story itself was not "commercial" enough I'd guess... (Even

Boulle called

> the book "One of his lesser works"...)***
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Very well put my dear.

Wendy

> What is POTA?
> By Helen
>
> POTA is thinking, reasoning, talking chimpanzees, orangutans, and
> gorillas…
> and mute humans.
> POTA is Roddy & Kim.
> POTA is John Chambers…
> and Apes makeups.
> POTA is vivid olive greens, goldenrods, and plumbs.
> POTA is glyphs!
> POTA is time travel…
> and the Forbidden Zone.
> POTA is about building friendships...
> and maintaining fragile relationships.
>
> The end.
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Boys and girls,
> >
> > Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book thread,
> we are
> > seeking to stop it momantarily.
> >
> > Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the
> question brought
> > up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
> >
> > 'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of
> POTA? Is it
> > Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
> >
> > Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
> >
> > Michael

POTA saved my life. It threw into the relm of theatre instead of
drugs. Thanks Rod and Kim. Love you much.

Wendy

>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Boys and girls,
> >
> > Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book thread,
> we are
> > seeking to stop it momantarily.
> >
> > Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the
> question brought
> > up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
> >
> > 'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of
> POTA? Is it
> > Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
> >
> > Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
> >
> > Michael

I mean, "POTA threw me into the relm of theatre instead of drugs."

I going to eat some lunch. Feel an sugar drop coming on. Sorry for
the typo.

Wendy

> POTA saved my life. It threw into the relm of theatre instead of
> drugs. Thanks Rod and Kim. Love you much.
>
> Wendy
>
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> > <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > > Boys and girls,
> > >
> > > Because so many are getting upset by the whole comic-book

thread,

> > we are
> > > seeking to stop it momantarily.
> > >
> > > Please don't keep the topic alive - BUT....I do believe the
> > question brought
> > > up here is valid and can be answered without upsetting anyone:
> > >
> > > 'what do Apes fans feel Apes IS?' ie what is the spirit/soul of
> > POTA? Is it
> > > Roddy? Is it Serling/Wilson/Jacobs/Goldsmith....what is it?
> > >
> > > Let's all try to stay nice, OK?
> > >
> > > Michael

Hasbro didn't put out a "Conquest" gorilla. They did put out an internet
exclusive soldier ape in a red uniform. However, originally they were going
to do a "Conquest:" gorilla (I have a picture in a action figure mag) but I
guess they decided soldier apes sell better.
Zira is pretty common. But I have a Zira prototype I found for $ 5 bucks
at a collectible shop (they didn't know what it was). It's the same Zira
made from different materials and colors and it has writing on it ("Lift"
and "16p"). I guess the store thought some kid wrote on it, so they gave her
a rifle and put her up for sale. I wonder how they got her.

Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave B" <smugster@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:28 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Hasbro figures


> An aquaintance of mine is looking to complete his Hasbro collection. These
> are the 12 inch 30th anniversary figures and he's looking for the Conquest
> gorilla and Zira.
>
> They have to be boxed and never have been opened.
>
> If anyone has either or both for sale could you drop me a line off board
and I'll
> set the wheels in motion.
>
> Dave

OK, In Escape, Doctor Milo is murdered/killed by a Gorilla. But Gorilla's
even in the wild (I'm not counting the mutated ones from the Planet series, who
are obviously more aggresive than normal) are not aggresive creatures. They
do a lot of posturing and such, but they don't normally attack. And if this
gorilla was depressed, his activity should have been down, not up. Could it
have been the talking that upset him, or Milo's loss of temper? I would have
liked to have seen Milo last a bit longer.



"The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be
one."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson -


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Does anyone have an extra Medicom Zira in her spacesuit to sell? I'd pay a
reasonable price. I have Milo and Cornelius, I'd like to add Zira to that
group.


"The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be
one."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson -


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Whitty asked that I cut and paste this section of an e-mail I sent
to him 'cause "Neil and Dave will love it".

I dutifully obey:

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Anyway, just managed to catch the last 2 chapters of BTB...

It's still lovely Mike, and I know what you're doing. Chapter 11
did not push the story forward AT ALL, except to make it all a
little bit more heady for Gideon. You're obviously using that
dramatic tool --- "Make 'em wait and then give it to them in the
last chapter."

BTB is actually quite a beautiful thing, though. Congrats. To make
an apparent villain the underdog AND MAKE IT WORK is really clever.

Out of the entire story, the one thing that took my breath away was
that final splash page at the end of Chapter 7 -- Gideon looking at
Brent's ship. Absolutely exquisite -- and, to be serious for a
second, if Hollywood actually understood why people like you and I
love that PARTICULAR image so much, they might actually be able to
make us a decent new PLANET OF THE APES film.

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So, boys, was that a compliment..?

Mark T-B.

I do...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:
> Does anyone have an extra Medicom Zira in her spacesuit to sell?
I'd pay a
> reasonable price. I have Milo and Cornelius, I'd like to add Zira
to that
> group.
>
>
> "The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a
friend is to be
> one."
> - Ralph Waldo Emerson -
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I was out of town last week. When did Sideshow put up the Ape
Marauder for pre-sale? I just happened on him when I went a looked
at the Sideshow site.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?
category=apes_12&item=75051&type=store

Greg#2

I also added a picture of him to the Sideshow folder in the pics
section.
I was also wondering why the Forbidden Zone Taylor is not shown on
the Planet of the Apes page on Sideshows site. I know that if you
click on some of the pics of the other figures he is listed on the
side as one of those "you may be interested in these too" figures.

Greg#2

In a message dated 8/3/04 3:45:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:


But Gorilla's even in the wild (I'm not counting the mutated ones from the
Planet series, who are obviously more aggresive than normal) are not aggresive
creatures.


A lot of people like to say how (in real) Gorillas are the peaceful ones,
and Chimps are the wild aggressive bunch, and how POTA may have made a mistake
by not doing it this way...But, in the world of POTA, you could say that as
their roles switched as far as their domination over Humanity, the
roles/characteristics of the Apes themselves might have "reversed" too... After all, in
the cave, Cornelius says those are the bones of carniverous Gorillas, which
you could say is showing them as "barbarians" for awhile... "Devolving" you
could say...






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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:

> I also added a picture of him to the Sideshow folder in the pics
> section.
> I was also wondering why the Forbidden Zone Taylor is not shown on
> the Planet of the Apes page on Sideshows site. I know that if you
> click on some of the pics of the other figures he is listed on the
> side as one of those "you may be interested in these too" figures.
>
> Greg#2

+++ T O Y S.

Yawn.

IMHO... Mark T-B

Absolutely you could, but I think the point is that the info was based on
what was generally stereotyped at the time - that gorillas are nasty and
chimps are nice...and Hollywood MADE that stereotype!

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Gorillas...



In a message dated 8/3/04 3:45:15 PM Central Daylight Time,
Mithril1960@... writes:


But Gorilla's even in the wild (I'm not counting the mutated ones from the
Planet series, who are obviously more aggresive than normal) are not
aggresive
creatures.


A lot of people like to say how (in real) Gorillas are the peaceful ones,
and Chimps are the wild aggressive bunch, and how POTA may have made a
mistake
by not doing it this way...But, in the world of POTA, you could say that as

their roles switched as far as their domination over Humanity, the
roles/characteristics of the Apes themselves might have "reversed" too...
After all, in
the cave, Cornelius says those are the bones of carniverous Gorillas, which

you could say is showing them as "barbarians" for awhile... "Devolving" you

could say...






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Oh, go edit a documentary!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Ape Marauder part 2

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "greg" <gbharris1@y...> wrote:
> I also added a picture of him to the Sideshow folder in the pics
> section.
> I was also wondering why the Forbidden Zone Taylor is not shown on
> the Planet of the Apes page on Sideshows site. I know that if you
> click on some of the pics of the other figures he is listed on the
> side as one of those "you may be interested in these too" figures.
>
> Greg#2

+++ T O Y S.

Yawn.

IMHO... Mark T-B





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I guess popular culture still perceived gorillas in the King Kong mode back then. Speaking of which, I hear the new "King Kong" directed by Peter Jackson will have one mean and violent gorilla title character. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Mithril1960@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Mistake in Escape?


OK, In Escape, Doctor Milo is murdered/killed by a Gorilla. But Gorilla's
even in the wild (I'm not counting the mutated ones from the Planet series, who
are obviously more aggresive than normal) are not aggresive creatures. They
do a lot of posturing and such, but they don't normally attack. And if this
gorilla was depressed, his activity should have been down, not up. Could it
have been the talking that upset him, or Milo's loss of temper? I would have
liked to have seen Milo last a bit longer.



"The only reward of virtue is virtue; the only way to have a friend is to be
one."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson -


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I think they were trying to appeal to a mostly anglo-esque audience
at the time...
The layman believing chimps are most closely associated with humans
(false)...They are more intelligent than any other apes (false)...And
they are herbivorous (false)...
Gorillas, on the other hand are further from us (false)...Dumb
(false) and more aggressive (false)...
Orangutans, then are dull-witted (false), thus narrow-minded...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Absolutely you could, but I think the point is that the info was

based on

> what was generally stereotyped at the time - that gorillas are

nasty and

> chimps are nice...and Hollywood MADE that stereotype!

I give POTA some slack in that gorillas are the biggest and strongest of
the apes, so they might use that to their advantage, using intimidation, if
they had the capacity to formulate a society. Everyone uses what they got.
Also the POTA gorillas seemed to get a raw deal, doing the lowly positions
while chimps and orangs have cushy jobs. Who can blame them for being
surly? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Glen" <HotScheetz@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gorillas...


> I think they were trying to appeal to a mostly anglo-esque audience
> at the time...
> The layman believing chimps are most closely associated with humans
> (false)...They are more intelligent than any other apes (false)...And
> they are herbivorous (false)...
> Gorillas, on the other hand are further from us (false)...Dumb
> (false) and more aggressive (false)...
> Orangutans, then are dull-witted (false), thus narrow-minded...
>
> G
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Absolutely you could, but I think the point is that the info was
> based on
> > what was generally stereotyped at the time - that gorillas are
> nasty and
> > chimps are nice...and Hollywood MADE that stereotype!
>
>
>
>
>
> PLEASE DELETE THIS LINE AND EVERYTHING BELOW IT BEFORE RESPONDING. THANK
YOU OR YOU WILL BE CAST INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE!!!!!
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Yes, I agree Glen.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [HotScheetz@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Gorillas...


I think they were trying to appeal to a mostly anglo-esque audience
at the time...
The layman believing chimps are most closely associated with humans
(false)...They are more intelligent than any other apes (false)...And
they are herbivorous (false)...
Gorillas, on the other hand are further from us (false)...Dumb
(false) and more aggressive (false)...
Orangutans, then are dull-witted (false), thus narrow-minded...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Absolutely you could, but I think the point is that the info was

based on

> what was generally stereotyped at the time - that gorillas are

nasty and

> chimps are nice...and Hollywood MADE that stereotype!

See!

I don't just make tea!

Seriously though - there is no question this is DAVE's story....and a
wonderful one at that. As I said recently - look at all the wonderful
places he took us!

When I read the story it was perfect - except it just missed out on my
"checklist" for a few reasons. Yup - formulaic old Whitty was worried the
fans may want more (greedy humans!). What I suggested does not really
change or develop the story - it just enables the reader to make Foster
suffer by drawing more in more detail!

You'll see......

Oh - and in case you did not guess....the final chapter - well, the art is
better than all previous chapters!

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]

>Is the comic going in a different direction than the original story?

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave B [smugster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:23 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast - Secret origins

My original ends about the same place as chapter eleven - that has just been

posted - Any credit for chapter twelve must go to Mike and Neil who talked
me
into it.


Dave

Just in case anyone is wondering, the potential publisher of Beware the
Beast has asked that it be either a 22 page story or a 44 page, 2 part
story.

SO......there will (likely) eventually be another version with an extra 7
pages!

You heard it here first!

Michael

So, when do we get to enjoy it?...Don't make me threaten you with
another poll!!...You have been warned!...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Oh - and in case you did not guess....the final chapter - well, the

art is

> better than all previous chapters!
>
> Michael

You know the drill...suck up to Neil and Dave (and me!).

Let Neil sing a song....

C'mon crowd.....enchores are here if you REALOLY want 'em!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [HotScheetz@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast - Secret Conclusions


So, when do we get to enjoy it?...Don't make me threaten you with
another poll!!...You have been warned!...

G

I'd even watch *gag* *hack* Neil sing in the shower, just to be able
to enjoy the conclusion of "Beware the Beast"...

I'd even empty the tea-bags for you!...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> You know the drill...suck up to Neil and Dave (and me!).
>
> Let Neil sing a song....
>
> C'mon crowd.....enchores are here if you REALOLY want 'em!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Glen [HotScheetz@a...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 4:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast - Secret Conclusions
>
>
> So, when do we get to enjoy it?...Don't make me threaten you with
> another poll!!...You have been warned!...
>
> G

Aha!!...I am sooo sneaky!!...I never put WHICH CHAPTER the poll was
for!!...The poll is still running...I now declare it is for Chapter
12, and everyone wants it yesterday!!!...

G

Neil won't like that!

He'll need you to start getting the crowd NOISY!!!!

C'mon crowd!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> Aha!!...I am sooo sneaky!!...I never put WHICH CHAPTER the poll
was
> for!!...The poll is still running...I now declare it is for
Chapter
> 12, and everyone wants it yesterday!!!...
>
> G

If Escape were made today, Milo's demise probably would have been different
or maybe he would have been around longer. We now know that gorillas are rarely
aggressive. Elaine


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I would mail the three of you homemade cookies to go with your tea if they
would survive the trip. Elaine


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Crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, HEY! crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd, NOISE,
crowd, crowd, YEAH? NOISE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISY-NOISE, crowd,
NOISE, crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, RELEASE, crowd, NOISE, crowd,
crowd, NOISE, THE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISY-NOISE,
crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, LAST, crowd, crowd, NOISE,
crowd, crowd, CHAPTER, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd,
NOISE, NOISY-NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd, OKAY? NOISE, crowd,
crowd, crowd, NOISE, etc, etc...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Neil won't like that!
>
> He'll need you to start getting the crowd NOISY!!!!
>
> C'mon crowd!
>
> Michael

In a message dated 8/3/2004 8:40:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Yes, I love "Adromeda Strain". It was the first sci fi movie I
remember seeing on the big screen. Everytime I look top see who wrote
it, I baffled in how young Criton was when he authored it.


HEY! That was the first movie I went to by myself. It was on a double
feature with Support your Local Gunfighter with James Garner. I just got Andromeda
on DVD. I love that picture.

"All Man does is cry, and when he's finally cried enough, he dies."
- Kyoami, Akira Kurosawa's RAN -


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:

> Crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, HEY! crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd,

NOISE, crowd, crowd, YEAH? NOISE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISY-NOISE,
crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, RELEASE, crowd, NOISE,
crowd, crowd, NOISE, THE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISY-
NOISE, crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, LAST, crowd, crowd,
NOISE, crowd, crowd, CHAPTER, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd,
crowd, NOISE, NOISY-NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd, OKAY? NOISE,
crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISE, etc, etc...

And this is the best you can do ?!? ;-)

Really...

Neil

Come on guys!!! Please release the last chapter of BTB!!! You know
we all love it and wanna see it. Would it help if I said pretty
please with sugar on top???

Greg#2

> You know the drill...suck up to Neil and Dave (and me!).
>
> Let Neil sing a song....
>
> C'mon crowd.....enchores are here if you REALOLY want 'em!
>
> Michael

Neil,

Do you hear the fans?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [HotScheetz@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 3:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast poll


Crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, HEY! crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd, NOISE,
crowd, crowd, YEAH? NOISE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISY-NOISE, crowd,
NOISE, crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, RELEASE, crowd, NOISE, crowd,
crowd, NOISE, THE, crowd, crowd, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISY-NOISE,
crowd, crowd, NOISE, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, LAST, crowd, crowd, NOISE,
crowd, crowd, CHAPTER, crowd, NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd,
NOISE, NOISY-NOISE, crowd, NOISE, crowd, crowd, OKAY? NOISE, crowd,
crowd, crowd, NOISE, etc, etc...

G

That will just ANGER him! Don't say that!

-----Original Message-----
From: greg [gbharris1@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast - Secret Conclusions


Come on guys!!! Please release the last chapter of BTB!!! You know
we all love it and wanna see it. Would it help if I said pretty
please with sugar on top???

Greg#2

> You know the drill...suck up to Neil and Dave (and me!).
>
> Let Neil sing a song....
>
> C'mon crowd.....enchores are here if you REALOLY want 'em!
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil,
>
> Do you hear the fans?

Sorry, can't hear a thing out there! Besides it's not just up to me
anyway.

neil

Hey Will,

have you recieved those soundtracks you ordered from FSM yet? If so, what
did you think of them?

Dave

Oh you big fat fibber!

Dave and I have already said let the peasants eat cake, but you HAVE to
mock them!

Michael

> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:54:28 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast poll
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil,
>
> Do you hear the fans?

Sorry, can't hear a thing out there! Besides it's not just up to me
anyway.

neil

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM...cake!!! Which flavor is it?

peasant#2

> Oh you big fat fibber!
>
> Dave and I have already said let the peasants eat cake, but you

HAVE to

> mock them!
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> SO......there will (likely) eventually be another version with an

extra 7 pages!
You heard it here first!

Wow! this is great news Michael an extra previously unseen 7 pages.
I can't wait to... hey wait a minute! I have to draw & ink ANOTHER 7
pages? ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta go sing
now...

Neil

To whom it may concern - just wanted to let you know that I have
uploaded 3 new pics that can be used on the home page if you like.
They are in the Home Page Pics folder.

Cheers,
Neil

Why thank you Neil!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New Home Page Pics


To whom it may concern - just wanted to let you know that I have
uploaded 3 new pics that can be used on the home page if you like.
They are in the Home Page Pics folder.

Cheers,
Neil
***** Scanned by Anti-Spam Sheriff *****

NO!!..No singing, please...More artwork, yes, but PALEASE!!! NO
SINGING!!!...

G

PS -- Do you sing while you draw?...I do, come to think of
it...Crazy, eh?...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > SO......there will (likely) eventually be another version with an
> extra 7 pages!
> You heard it here first!
>
> Wow! this is great news Michael an extra previously unseen 7 pages.
> I can't wait to... hey wait a minute! I have to draw & ink ANOTHER
7
> pages? ARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gotta go sing
> now...
>
> Neil

Oh I don't know Chauncey- NYC got pretty jumbled up in that BENEATH
film...


Edgar


"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>I don't know.....but I would be surprised if anything shited THAT much

wiithout a helicopter.... ;) <<


Chris Lawless <lawford42@...> wrote:

>>Was there any mention in the original screen treatment for BATTLE of

land
mass shifting or anything of that nature?<<


"James" <JamesA1102@...> wrote:

>>Washington DC is over 200 miles from NYC. To walking in three days a

person would have to walk at least 67 miles per day. Doing so in
desert conditions is not really possible. <<

Wait- I'm confused. If it's already done, then wouldn't it be posted?
Ditto for all the chatter in the last couple of Digests regarding Part
12. Neil himself mentioned that it's not completely up to him, so who
else do we need to bribe?

I'm going to a concert tonight if you need me to record some crowd
noise...


Chris L.



"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>Dude - he's DONE it! BTB is FINISHED.....you just gotta beg and you'll

SEE
the next chapter!

Go back and vote a again! <<



Chris Lawless lawford42@... wrote:

>>I'm proud to say that I was the first person to vote 'Before Next

Week'.
I mean, we have to give Neil a little breathing room to get everything
done. :-) <<

"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>I think the mention of the weather was to:

(1) show it is NOT earth (or at least what we know earth to be);

(2) suggest that (later when we know it IS earth) much has changed. <<


Those sneaky little film makers!! Trying to hide the twist ending like
that...

Actually, whoever posted the comment about the cloud covered night
preventing them from realizing where they are (by seeing the stars)
pretty much hit the nail right on the head. It was a plot device, but one
that fit rather well into the story considering the fact that it was
supposed to be a post-apocalyptic Earth.

BTW (for all you astronomy types out there)- I remember once (a very long
time ago) reading an article stating that at some point down the road
(thousands of years maybe?) that people in the Northern hemisphere will
be able to see all the stuff that people in the Southern hemisphere see
now (the Southern Cross, etc). It almost read like the planet would
eventually rotate upside-down on it's axis (I hope I'm phrasing that
correctly). Does this sound familiar to anyone, and if so, wouldn't it be
feasible that this had happened to 40th Century Earth- either by natural
events or by the effects of a nuclear war?


Chris L.

Well, a bit of an OLD topic really - sorta!

I spoke to the boss at Rittenhouse recently and here is what he had to say:



Hi, Michael. Things are going okay. We don't have too many new sales at
this point, which is the bad news. The good news is that I was just at Fox
and had a chance to view the photo archive for the first movie, and I found
a bunch of interesting behind-the-scenes photos, and some other good shots.
My game plan is to create another 9-card set of BTS cards, and combine it
with an autograph card we have from Linda Harrison. Expect that sometime
early next year. Will likely be only a few hundred sets.

I'm still after the studio to grant us rights to the TV show and the
cartoon, but it's low priority for them (and me, quite honestly), so I am
just waiting until they get around to it. If we can pull that together,
then I think we may work up a full series of cards using everything APES.

You would have liked visiting the photo archive with me, but it would not
have been worth traveling from Australia to do so. I didn't spend more than
an hour there to see everything. It was not as exhaustive a selection as I
had envisioned, although I only viewed images from the first film. If I had
looked at all 5 movies, it would have taken me 5 times as long. Still, it
was only marginally impressive.

Thanks for your support, and keep in touch.



Jeff, maybe he needs to know about Natalie's photos? But I imagine the best
of them are now "out there"!

Michael

I asked Steve how many Hestons are left:

Roughly 300 of the 999 remain, which is really not a bad number. But it
would be nice to be sold out. If wehad sold it out, I would definitely have
made a second series with more images of Heston that have never been seen
before.

Would have been nice.

Michael







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Speaking of people doing things for people, I was lucky enough to hear a
great interview at work the other day. It was Bruce Smeaton, talking about
his good mate Jerry Goldsmith.

I was working so I didn't catch it all, but I'm sure Smeaton was saying he
convinced Jerry to buy a house in Melbourne where Jerry spent most of his
last years. It was very interesting and I would imagine not "typical".

So.....I thought maybe Rory and other Goldsmith fans might like to hear this
tribute to the great man, and I made some inquiries. Sadly, I need to find
$130 (AUS) = around $95 (US) to get a copy, and I am on a deadline because
they only keep 'em for so long.

I would really like to get a project underway to get this interview and
convert it to a downloadable audio file - maybe with a slideshow to
accompany - and make it available to fans (as the Power Records and other
treats are now available).

I'll pay 1/4 of the cost - so I'm looking for people to pledge contributions
to this worthy cause. Email me privately if you want to pledge - I won't
ask for commitment until we have enough to cover the $130 (AUS) = around $95
(US).

Last time I tried this I ended up paying for the whole project myself - I
won't be doing that this time.

Once I have the tape, I'll need to assemble a project team to convert the
Audio,(Hunter - you have your hand up I see!), contribute photos and other
things - but first things first.

Michael






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I spoke to Neil today and he wants more feedback on Chapter 11 first.

Maybe if someone could please go back and compile all comments then Neil can
give us a number or something! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Lawless [lawford42@...]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New poll for PotaDG


Wait- I'm confused. If it's already done, then wouldn't it be posted?
Ditto for all the chatter in the last couple of Digests regarding Part
12. Neil himself mentioned that it's not completely up to him, so who
else do we need to bribe?

I'm going to a concert tonight if you need me to record some crowd
noise...


Chris L.



"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>>Dude - he's DONE it! BTB is FINISHED.....you just gotta beg and you'll

SEE
the next chapter!

That's just one of MANY reasons to avoid Dave's Fan Fics! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast - Secret origins


Ha ha ha! I've been AVOIDING reading your fan fic on Kassidy's site
BECAUSE I didn't want to ruin the impact the comic would have!!

--Helen

Did we ever get any response to this post?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: apefish54 [apefish54@...]
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 11:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] glyphs


has anyone got some info on the glyphs worn on the ape uniforms?
obviously they were designed /created by someone for the uniforms in
the movies, (possibly morton haack?)-but iv'e wondered for ages as to
whether the glyphs actually mean anything? yes, there are different
ones on the various uniforms, but one can't help notice that some of
them are more prominent throughout the films & t.v. series!- for
example, the glyph worn on the chimps leather tunic is also on the
lawgiver's robe (third one down). these glyphs are "sacred scroll"
letters, i know ,-i'm just kinda interested to know if someone
can "translate" -apefish54

There were 486,793,000 comments, I kept track -- not counting my own,
of course...
C'mon guys, this is worse than Lucas dragging out Star Wars for
years...

Okay, I tell you what, you let the 17 of us who voted in the poll see
the last chapter (the two malcontents and the tea-maker don't count –
they've already seen it), and let everyone else suffer!!...Here they
are:

mlccougar@...
urko3085@...
moncynnes@...
steve.hodson@...
brindlepit2002@...
mail@...
menluth@...
lawford42@...
will5967@...
sand_hill_school@...
HotScheetz@...
PofTAfan@...
PhoenixCa7@...
apefan23@...
JamesA1102@...
at_deaths_door@...
gbharris1@...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I spoke to Neil today and he wants more feedback on Chapter 11

first.

>
> Maybe if someone could please go back and compile all comments then

Neil can

> give us a number or something! ;)
>
> Michael

Neil...we need to know!

I the mean time.....I'm hoping Hunter can host the Finale...

Dave, could you please send the Final Chapter to Hunter and we'll see what
Mr Foster has to say!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Glen [HotScheetz@...]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 5:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Chapter 12.


There were 486,793,000 comments, I kept track -- not counting my own,
of course...
C'mon guys, this is worse than Lucas dragging out Star Wars for
years...

Okay, I tell you what, you let the 17 of us who voted in the poll see
the last chapter (the two malcontents and the tea-maker don't count -
they've already seen it), and let everyone else suffer!!...Here they
are:

mlccougar@...
urko3085@...
moncynnes@...
steve.hodson@...
brindlepit2002@...
mail@...
menluth@...
lawford42@...
will5967@...
sand_hill_school@...
HotScheetz@...
PofTAfan@...
PhoenixCa7@...
apefan23@...
JamesA1102@...
at_deaths_door@...
gbharris1@...

G

on 8/5/04 7:37 AM, Dave B at smugster@... wrote:

Hey Will,

have you recieved those soundtracks you ordered from FSM yet? If so, what
did you think of them?

Dave


Thanks a lot for asking, Dave. It took a while, but I finally did recieve
them and they are both really awesome! Both are really superb tributes to
the Apes films. Both soundtracks are really impressive, each with 32
tracks, for goodness sake! The booklets with each disc are wonderful
because they feature a lot of photos (some I'd never seen before) and a load
of great info to read.

I am more than satisfied that I got my money's worth with both discs and I
would really love to thank the members of this DG that informed me about the
availability of the CDs and recommended them. So, if there's anybody out
there who hasn't gotten their copies yet, I also highly recommend them.

Thanks again, everybody!

Will


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Great idea! MY VOTE COUNTS!!!

(I am so glad I voted!)

Helen

PS I left on the names so that in case the other post gets lost, you
will still know who WE are.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> There were 486,793,000 comments, I kept track -- not counting my
own,
> of course...
> C'mon guys, this is worse than Lucas dragging out Star Wars for
> years...
>
> Okay, I tell you what, you let the 17 of us who voted in the poll
see
> the last chapter (the two malcontents and the tea-maker don't
count –
> they've already seen it), and let everyone else suffer!!...Here
they
> are:
>
> mlccougar@a...
> urko3085@s...
> moncynnes@y...
> steve.hodson@b...
> brindlepit2002@y...
> mail@m...
> menluth@y...
> lawford42@j...
> will5967@v...
> sand_hill_school@y...
> HotScheetz@a...
> PofTAfan@a...
> PhoenixCa7@a...
> apefan23@y...
> JamesA1102@a...
> at_deaths_door@y...
> gbharris1@y...
>
> G
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> That's just one of MANY reasons to avoid Dave's Fan Fics! ;)
>
> Michael

Hey, I heard that!!!!

I'll have you know it's been scientificaly proven that reading POTA Fan-Fic
helps you to lose wieght, re-grow lost hair and be more successful with the
opposite sex.

Dave

> Dave, could you please send the Final Chapter to Hunter and we'll see what
> Mr Foster has to say!

I have it, and I can host it, but not until later today. The system
that hosts my web page is down and won't be back up until sometime
Friday afternoon.

Hunter
------
Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
<goathunter@...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/

COOL! So that means you can taunt everyone with how cool it is!

Looks pretty good, eh Hunter?

Michael

> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 10:15:32 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chapter 12.
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> Dave, could you please send the Final Chapter to Hunter and we'll see

what

> Mr Foster has to say!

I have it, and I can host it, but not until later today. The system
that hosts my web page is down and won't be back up until sometime
Friday afternoon.

Hunter

Can anybody explain the disappearance of the DG Internal Website?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>

> I have it, and I can host it, but not until later today. The

system that hosts my web page is down and won't be back up until
sometime Friday afternoon.

Excuse me, but did I give my permission yet?

Neil

No, but you are really drunk at the moment so I may choose to take
advantage of you....

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
> > I have it, and I can host it, but not until later today. The
> system that hosts my web page is down and won't be back up until
> sometime Friday afternoon.
>
> Excuse me, but did I give my permission yet?
>
> Neil

Good work, Helen...

G

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Great idea! MY VOTE COUNTS!!!
>
> (I am so glad I voted!)
>
> Helen
>
> PS I left on the names so that in case the other post gets lost,

you

> will still know who WE are.
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Glen" <HotScheetz@a...> wrote:
> > There were 486,793,000 comments, I kept track -- not counting my
> own,
> > of course...
> > C'mon guys, this is worse than Lucas dragging out Star Wars for
> > years...
> >
> > Okay, I tell you what, you let the 17 of us who voted in the poll
> see
> > the last chapter (the two malcontents and the tea-maker don't
> count –
> > they've already seen it), and let everyone else suffer!!...Here
> they
> > are:
> >
> > mlccougar@a...
> > urko3085@s...
> > moncynnes@y...
> > steve.hodson@b...
> > brindlepit2002@y...
> > mail@m...
> > menluth@y...
> > lawford42@j...
> > will5967@v...
> > sand_hill_school@y...
> > HotScheetz@a...
> > PofTAfan@a...
> > PhoenixCa7@a...
> > apefan23@y...
> > JamesA1102@a...
> > at_deaths_door@y...
> > gbharris1@y...
> >
> > G
> >

Good Morning all! Well, probably not morning for many of us, but
good day (g'day) to those.

Overnight there have been some major changes to the group.

James left the group a few days ago and since then he has been
secretly demobilising the Internal Internet Site and raiding the
photos and files. So please have a look on the Photos and Files
Sections to determine if he took anything of yours - I know
he "deleted" many of Neil's infamous home-page pictures, and I hope
you are not also a victim. If anything has gone, contact me
privately and I'll check with James to see if he still has these.
I'm sure he did not do this as an act of sabbotage, but he has
definitely been a little ambitious in taking too much!

As you all know from the private emails I have sent you in the past,
some of James' antics (like removing my moderator powers) were
getting rather old with me, and I have been considering the
establishment of a new group. I think the DG is dead now....it
served its purpose and I'm thankful to see POTA fans free to discuss
what they love, but this is no longer the DG in my opinion.

With all the wonderful projects the Official International Planet of
the Apes Fan Club is now offering, I am starting to populate a Fan
Club Group. It will be essentially the same gang and many of the
same ideals, but I will be tightening up on transparency and
accountability. The moderators here know how I feel about
saying "there is no swearing allowed" without the provision of a
definition of what swearing is, and I am going to try to make the
rules EXTREMELY clear to everyone......so it will be no surprise if
someone is found to violate the rules.

I will be looking at monthly themes as well. It will not restrict
people to talking about that theme only, but it will encourage
people to talk about the theme and offer opinions, illustrations
etc. I already have a bunch of Neil Foster originals here to kick
off the campaign, and I have many other exciting plans.

One last thing....I am really quite shattered by the incredible
amount of wheeling and dealing that has gone on behind my back - the
relocation of the Internal website and the recruitment campaign that
accompanied that. Under normal circumstances, I would be wishing
the best to them, but these are not normal circumstances. So I
would ask that people agreeing with me about the underhandedness of
it all give voice to protest...tell James what you think. I don't
expect any of it will get through - but at least he will know.

Special thanks to all who made this group happen. Now I hope you
will join me on the exodus to the Promised Land! I will be adding
everyone's profile to the new group slowly over the next few days -
until then, let's continue to chat and maybe now focus on what you
want of the new Fan Club group. Anyone who does not wish to be part
of the new group, please contact me privately.

Michael

Does this mean DG is dissolving?...Are you talking about modifying DG?...Or
is this a new site you're offering?...

Sounds intriguing...What do you want from us at the outset?...

G


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

What was all the hubub about? I had no idea that James had left. I was out of town last week and am not real sure what was going on.
Anyway, let me know about the new group and I'm in...just need to know where it's gonna be located. Also, what do I have to do to get into the Internation Fan Club of yours? Are there dues to be paid or is it just a sign up and you're in kinda thing? Let me know.

Greg#2


Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Good Morning all! Well, probably not morning for many of us, but
good day (g'day) to those.

Overnight there have been some major changes to the group.

James left the group a few days ago and since then he has been
secretly demobilising the Internal Internet Site and raiding the
photos and files. So please have a look on the Photos and Files
Sections to determine if he took anything of yours - I know
he "deleted" many of Neil's infamous home-page pictures, and I hope
you are not also a victim. If anything has gone, contact me
privately and I'll check with James to see if he still has these.
I'm sure he did not do this as an act of sabbotage, but he has
definitely been a little ambitious in taking too much!

As you all know from the private emails I have sent you in the past,
some of James' antics (like removing my moderator powers) were
getting rather old with me, and I have been considering the
establishment of a new group. I think the DG is dead now....it
served its purpose and I'm thankful to see POTA fans free to discuss
what they love, but this is no longer the DG in my opinion.

With all the wonderful projects the Official International Planet of
the Apes Fan Club is now offering, I am starting to populate a Fan
Club Group. It will be essentially the same gang and many of the
same ideals, but I will be tightening up on transparency and
accountability. The moderators here know how I feel about
saying "there is no swearing allowed" without the provision of a
definition of what swearing is, and I am going to try to make the
rules EXTREMELY clear to everyone......so it will be no surprise if
someone is found to violate the rules.

I will be looking at monthly themes as well. It will not restrict
people to talking about that theme only, but it will encourage
people to talk about the theme and offer opinions, illustrations
etc. I already have a bunch of Neil Foster originals here to kick
off the campaign, and I have many other exciting plans.

One last thing....I am really quite shattered by the incredible
amount of wheeling and dealing that has gone on behind my back - the
relocation of the Internal website and the recruitment campaign that
accompanied that. Under normal circumstances, I would be wishing
the best to them, but these are not normal circumstances. So I
would ask that people agreeing with me about the underhandedness of
it all give voice to protest...tell James what you think. I don't
expect any of it will get through - but at least he will know.

Special thanks to all who made this group happen. Now I hope you
will join me on the exodus to the Promised Land! I will be adding
everyone's profile to the new group slowly over the next few days -
until then, let's continue to chat and maybe now focus on what you
want of the new Fan Club group. Anyone who does not wish to be part
of the new group, please contact me privately.

Michael





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