ok i am now on a full steam lookout for these issues
i located a fan with a #5 right in argentina
i will continue looking!

i would assume i have more foreign POTA comics than anyone in the world

in terms of translating the comic are you guys using translator websites to help out





Hey Terry.

I bought issues #1 - #6.

A team of us are translating them and printing them and offering them for
sale (soon!).

There is a #7 and we are trying to get it. It is in COLOUR!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
when were those argentina comics made who published them how many
issues are there?
who has possession of these books ??



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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> > ...that this is the place to sign up for the Return to the POTA
> > animated series on DVD? If so, could someone please give me

further

> > instruction. Thanks!
>

But they will happen, so stay tuned.

>
> Hunter

+++ Thanks Hunter. Count me in for a copy...!

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> My POTA-epic-in-progress [which I'm titling "DESTINY OF THE PLANET

OF

> THE APES", as I've mentioned (elsewhere) before], in which I'm re-
> adapting the Effinger episodes along with adapting all the other

ones

> into prose, will have a "final" TV episode which hinges on them
> having the disc all through their adventures.

+++ I think it's safe to assume that the disk was a plot device
forgotten by the writers as the series progressed.

In 1974 series television you had writers working independently of
each other, their work governed by a 6 or 7 page "Writer's Guide"
proforma that gave them a broad sense of the universe in which they
were about to inhabit.

I'm certain that if the show were made nowadays, the disk would've
been touched on alot more. Hell, there were even episodes where the
three fugitives left the story and ran over the nearest hill without
any kind of luggage at all.

Patrick -- forget the (non) logic of the series. Just write your
story. I'm chomping at the bit to see your ideas.

Mark T-B.

Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
PotaDG group:

I'm interested in POTA fan
demographics. This poll will only be
valid IF most people respond and IF
those who respond don't lie!! If we
get
a fair number of responses, I will
follow with another question. Your
answers will be completely private. No
names will be associated with any
answer.

Here is my first question: What year
were you born?

o 1982 - 1992
o 1972 - 1981
o 1962 - 1971
o 1952 - 1961
o 1942 - 1951
o 1932 - 1941
o 1922 - 1931
o 1912 - 1921
o Sometime before the dates given.
o Sometime after the dates given.


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web site listed above.

Thanks!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Hello to all, I`ve been kicking around an idea for awhile, since

Film

> Score Monthly & Sony have made great soundtrack CD`s for all 5 ape
> films, how about all of us fans e-mail FSM and ask them to make a

CD

> with all the music & dialogue from the apes t.v. series & cartoon
> series?.The website is http://www.filmscoremonthly.com
> <http://www.filmscoremonthly.com> .Let`s see
> what happens.Patrick.

+++ A CD with Schifrin, LaSalle and Hagen's music from the tv series
I would spend money on.

Mark T-B.

P.S. Just want all you chaps to realise that USTV in the 70s was
mixed exclusively in mono. So it would need to be a situation where
you could unearth the original mag stems and remix into stereo.

If anyone can do this -- FSM can!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> The Art Director's Guild has announced that POTA art director

William Creber will receive the Lifetime Achievement Award on Feb.
12. In addition to POTA Creber has a long list of credits. He was
nominated for an Emmy for a 2001 production. He's had 3 Oscar
nominations ("Greatest Story Ever Told", "Poseidon Adventure"
and "Towering Inferno"). Way to go, Bill! - - - Jeff

>

+++ William Creber is exactly the kind of old school film-making
craftsman that I bow my head to.

Guys that used to research, then draw, then build.

I love his story about how he found the look for Ape City.

He also did VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and was the most
interesting interviewee in the BEHIND doc.

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> As for the "Star Trek" cartoon, David Gerrold (novelizer

of "Battle") says

> they're working on it right now for DVD and it should come out

this year or

> next. www.tvshowsondvd.com lists Dec. 14 '04 for the release of

ST: the

> Complete Series. No details but the only "complete" ST series that

would fit

> on a DVD set would be the cartoon, right? Tvshowsondvd has a 3-part
> interview with Gerrold (July '04) under "articles" for those who

are

> interested. I mentioned the "Star Trek" cartoon because Chris was

interested

> in it. - - - Jeff

+++ For what it's worth, I met this guy in the late 1980s at a
convention when I was working as a writer/photographer for the UK
Sci-Fi mag STARBURST.

Gerrold was really pleasant and a superb public speaker. Less so
after they gave him a few beers.

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT
> important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once

and

> had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that

little

> when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
> enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
> destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
> can't believe they would lose it.
>
> --Helen

+++ Er -- I'm just going to say what you're all thinking.

Given no alternative, there's really only one place you can
safeguard a small object.

Is that in your story P-M-T?

Mark T-B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
> Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> PotaDG group:
>
> I'm interested in POTA fan
> demographics.

Here is my first question: What year

> were you born?

+++ Erm -- the (current) results are no surprise.

See my POTADG Post# 20282.

Yours, feeling rather smug.

Mark T-B ;)

No Hunter,

I tried to assure that it is NOT to be used as a lure to any groups.

I'm not "having a tantrum" about your conditions, I would just rather
have nothing to do with this - it is silly me losing $5 - $10 each time
I send them and if we get US volunteers, as I'm sure we will, it will be
cheaper to send to the US and UK requesters.

So I don't know what you read into that email, but you were rather
misguided! Settle down tiger! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:37:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Return to the POTA on DVD.
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> I'd prefer not to be involved in this any more actually, thanks
> Hunter.

You're the one who tried to turn them into some sort of contest or
lure for a group, Michael. No one else has ever suggested any kind of
exclusivity.

> Who in the USA can burn and distribute these?

There will be people....

Hunter

Didn't he have kids too?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Ron Harper said they just decided to drop the disc angle. He
thought it
> was silly to make a big deal about it and then suddenly it doesn't
get
> mentioned anymore. I guess we could assume he still had it, it
just doesn't
> get mentioned any more.
> Another thing Ron mentioned is in the early episodes
his "family" picture
> had a brunette wife (his real wife). When they got to "The Legacy"
they
> decided to cast a blonde actress so did a new photo with a blonde
> wife. - - - Jeff
>

I'll burn this one for distribution Sparkster....if nobody else
volunteers.

Hunter can "NTSC" it too I think he said....is that what you said
Hunter?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> >
> > OK - now back to the BEGINNING....
> >
> > WHO TOLD US ABOUT THIS DOCO?
> >
> > WHO IS GOING TO COPY IT?????
> >
> > I'll certainly pass it on to Hunter from here....
> >
> > Michael
>
>
> I have a dish for Sky Digital right here at home. I CAN get the
Sci-
> Fi Channel. I can also tape stuff on S-VHS (400 lines res as
> opposed to standard VHS 250 -- better quality.)
>
> Sci-Fi repeats quite alot. Remind me of the title of the show and
I
> can tape it (PAL - remember). Then perhaps send to someone clever
> like Ballard to burn it to DVD for distribution.
>
> Just an offer...
>
> Mark T-B

I've got Glenn's "Wanda" picture on site if you want to take a look.
It's a gorgeous drawing. Wanda's my favorite villan in the series,
though I'm pleased to say not the only one. Also finally put up
Mitrill's POTA story on the fan fic page.
http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com

Kassidy

> Hunter can "NTSC" it too I think he said....is that what you said
> Hunter?

Yep.

>From: Hoknes < terryhoknes@...>
>ok i am now on a full steam lookout for these issues
>i located a fan with a #5 right in argentina
>i will continue looking!

Cool! I'd actually like to complete a set of them in Spanish to go with my
English translations, so if you ever put together a set for sale, please
let me know.

>in terms of translating the comic are you guys using translator websites
>to help out

Actually, nope -- I'm doing it myself, as I speak the language.

>Hey Terry.
>I bought issues #1 - #6.
>A team of us are translating them and printing them and offering them for
>sale (soon!).
>There is a #7 and we are trying to get it. It is in COLOUR!
>Michael

Yep, so Terry -- if you do get #7, PLEASE let us know! Our efforts to get
a hold of it for translation have hit a snag... hopefully, not a permanent one.

We're just using Rich Handley....and Kassidy Rae is then putting a
touch of reality on the translations.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> ok i am now on a full steam lookout for these issues
> i located a fan with a #5 right in argentina
> i will continue looking!
>
> i would assume i have more foreign POTA comics than anyone in the
world
>
> in terms of translating the comic are you guys using translator
websites to help out
>
>
>
>
>
> Hey Terry.
>
> I bought issues #1 - #6.
>
> A team of us are translating them and printing them and offering
them for
> sale (soon!).
>
> There is a #7 and we are trying to get it. It is in COLOUR!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> when were those argentina comics made who published them how
many
> issues are there?
> who has possession of these books ??
>
>
>
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is rory a member of any of these groups
or anybody know his email address?


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are they a member of any of these groups
or anybody know their email address?


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Who? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> is rory a member of any of these groups
> or anybody know his email address?
>
>
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Tell us this story Sparky!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
>
> I love his story about how he found the look for Ape City.
>
> He also did VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and was the most
> interesting interviewee in the BEHIND doc.
>
> Mark T-B.

Ballard has some, but I don't know I he's selling them!

I hope not anyway.....DAVE?? ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Rich Handley[SMTP:HANDLEYR@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:16:43 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1110
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

>From: Hoknes <terryhoknes@...>
>ok i am now on a full steam lookout for these issues
>i located a fan with a #5 right in argentina
>i will continue looking!

Cool! I'd actually like to complete a set of them in Spanish to go with
my
English translations, so if you ever put together a set for sale, please

let me know.

It'll be fine Rich - I just have to remember to get in to the bank and
check where the deposit disappeared to!

But we are only buying the PDF - an actual copy of the #7 COMIC would be
NICE!

Rich, have we told the group about some of the other breakthroughs or
should we keep some secrets for the article?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Rich Handley[SMTP:HANDLEYR@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:16:43 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1110
> Auto forwarded by a Rule

Yep, so Terry -- if you do get #7, PLEASE let us know! Our efforts to
get
a hold of it for translation have hit a snag... hopefully, not a
permanent
one.

Well there you go!

Mark, send it to me and I'll burn it to DVD and I'll distribute the PAL
versions.

I'll send a copy to Hunter who can "NTSCise" it and send on to people in
the US to distribute.

All agreed, Mark, Hunter?

Any more USA volunteers for this one?

Michael

> ----------
> From: Hunter Goatley[SMTP:GOATHUNTER@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 12:01:11 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: NEW "Planet of the Apes" TV

DOCUMENTARY!!

> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> Hunter can "NTSC" it too I think he said....is that what you said
> Hunter?

Yep.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> > Hunter can "NTSC" it too I think he said....is that what you said
> > Hunter?
>
> Yep.

++ If anyone can give me the actual title of the show, I'll look out
for it. Might be a while though, if it was recently in production...

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Tell us this story Sparky!
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>

wrote:

> >
> > I love his story about how he found the look for Ape City.
> >
> > He also did VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and was the most
> > interesting interviewee in the BEHIND doc.
> >
> > Mark T-B.

++ It's no big secret. Watch the BEHIND doc!

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Well there you go!
>
>
> I'll send a copy to Hunter who can "NTSCise" it and send on to

people in

> the US to distribute.

++ The correct phrase, for you non-tech plebeians, is "standards
conversion".

PAL to NTSC or vice versa, or whatever.

MT-B ;)

I should be able to help with US distribution on this.

Greg P.

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
Any more USA volunteers for this one?

Michael


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Les, do you have any more details?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: sparkytb2005[SMTP:SPARKYTB@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 7:29:35 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: NEW "Planet of the Apes" TV DOCUMENTARY!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule

++ If anyone can give me the actual title of the show, I'll look out
for it. Might be a while though, if it was recently in production...

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT

important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once and
had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that little
when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
can't believe they would lose it.

> >
> > --Helen
>
>
> +++ Er -- I'm just going to say what you're all thinking.
>
> Given no alternative, there's really only one place you can
> safeguard a small object.
>
> Is that in your story P-M-T?
>
> Mark T-B

*** Twas I who brought up the bit about Christopher Walken's scene
in "PULP FICTION" -- about "The Watch", remember?

But, that was just me jokin' around. No, I'm NOT gonna have Virdon
safeguarding the disc as if it were Lemmiwinks (and, if you've seen
the "SOUTH PARK" episode I'm referring to, you KNOW what I'm talkin'
about!).

In my POTA-epic/scenario, it'll be Galen who carries the disc, since
his duds have GOT to have a convenient pocket in 'em somewhere where
it'd be safe. Maybe they sew it into the lining of one of his sleeves
or something, who knows?

But I agree with Helen that they would NOT lose it if they could help
it. And, dramatically & thematically & to tie the overarching plot of
the Virdon/Burke/Galen saga all together, we NEED for them to find
that computer Virdon mentions ["What's a computer?"], and EXAMINE the
data contained on it... and Virdon NEEDS to discover a way to get
back home, to the 20th Century.

In my scenario, they WILL discover a working computer cache --
perhaps one similar to the one in Oakland's "midtown railway station"
in "THE LEGACY" -- and they'll find out that when Virdon had Jonesy
hit that "Automatic Homing Device", their ship not only zipped BANG-
ZOOM all the way from Alpha Centauri to Earth... but they ALSO went
BACK-IN-TIME (i.e. EARTH-TIME) from July 14, 3085 to March 21, 3085.
Virdon needs to believe that it is possible to go backwards through
Time, because he yearns to get back from 3085 to whenever it is that
they left Earth, where his wife and son await him... and when he
finds out that back-through-Time travel IS possible (because they've
already done it once), he'll know HOW they did it, and endeavor to do
it again.

Whether or not he succeeds, well... that's another thing.

Patrick

Hi Mike
All I know is they have said it should be aired in September - but
it can change as things often do.

Les.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Les, do you have any more details?
>
> Michael

OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
happened to it?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>

wrote:

> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT
> important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once and
> had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that little
> when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
> enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
> destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
> can't believe they would lose it.

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Boy! James really cleaned up on this one! Good job, James!

Will


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The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been uploaded.

They can be found in a folder in the file section entitled 'Beast colour tests'

Remember, these were just experimental.

Dave B

Whoa! Beauteous. Gives me the shivers. How much would this add to
the cost of producing the comic?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
> The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been
uploaded.
>
> They can be found in a folder in the file section entitled 'Beast
colour tests'
>
> Remember, these were just experimental.
>
> Dave B

Not sure Helen - we'll leave that up to whatever company might want to
do it! But they sure do look GREAT!

If I end up printing these myself they will be in B&W.

Dave, superb mate, as usual.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:05:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Beast in living colour!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Whoa! Beauteous. Gives me the shivers. How much would this add to
the cost of producing the comic?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
> The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been
uploaded.
>
> They can be found in a folder in the file section entitled 'Beast
colour tests'
>
> Remember, these were just experimental.
>
> Dave B

Big thanks for your efforts and for sharing this Dave.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
> The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been
uploaded.
>
> They can be found in a folder in the file section entitled 'Beast
colour tests'
>
> Remember, these were just experimental.
>
> Dave B

Happy Birthday, Michael!

I'm assuming his day has come to an end, but today we in the US
celebrate the birth of our fearless leader -- Michael Whitty.

Many happy returns, Michael!

Hope you have a great day, Michael! Elaine


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Thanks Helen, you rock!

Am I REALLY as cute as baby Milo? Well, at least you finally
tracked me down! ;)

I had a great day. Got a DVD Recorder (80g HD) and an original
painting from a "Neil Foster", and a few other goodies I'll be
putting to good use for our community.

Hey, instead of being nerds and celebrating POTA celebrities'
birthdays, how about we all sound off with ours (the group members)
and we'll load these into the group calendear?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Michael!
>
> I'm assuming his day has come to an end, but today we in the US
> celebrate the birth of our fearless leader -- Michael Whitty.
>
> Many happy returns, Michael!

Happy B-day!!!! Had I known I would have mailed a
Gideon figure to you.

Great idea!! You first, Michael!




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Thanks Helen, you rock!
>
> Am I REALLY as cute as baby Milo? Well, at least you finally
> tracked me down! ;)
>
> I had a great day. Got a DVD Recorder (80g HD) and an original
> painting from a "Neil Foster", and a few other goodies I'll be
> putting to good use for our community.
>
> Hey, instead of being nerds and celebrating POTA celebrities'
> birthdays, how about we all sound off with ours (the group members)
> and we'll load these into the group calendear?
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Happy Birthday, Michael!
> >
> > I'm assuming his day has come to an end, but today we in the US
> > celebrate the birth of our fearless leader -- Michael Whitty.
> >
> > Many happy returns, Michael!

OK - we don't have to include the YEAR ok?? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Great idea!! You first, Michael!>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"

<Michael.Whitty@d...>

> wrote:
> > Thanks Helen, you rock!
> >
> > Am I REALLY as cute as baby Milo? Well, at least you finally
> > tracked me down! ;)
> >
> > I had a great day. Got a DVD Recorder (80g HD) and an original
> > painting from a "Neil Foster", and a few other goodies I'll be
> > putting to good use for our community.
> >
> > Hey, instead of being nerds and celebrating POTA celebrities'
> > birthdays, how about we all sound off with ours (the group

members)

> > and we'll load these into the group calendear?
> >
> > Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:

> > The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been
> uploaded.
> >
> > They can be found in a folder in the file section

entitled 'Beast

> colour tests'
> >
> > Remember, these were just experimental.
> >
> > Dave B

Mmmm - interesting.

Dave, Neil or Mike -- have you ever studied photography or are any
of you exponents of B&W vs. colour -- in any medium?

I know that colourising BTB is an important stage towards getting it
into the market, and I applaud you for your efforts -- but y'know
what...?

BEWARE THE BEAST is better in black and white. Alot better.

It looks like a comic now. A comic. Neil's stuff now sits on the
page as artwork when before I just saw Gideon's dilemma.

THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM. Purely an observation. Hell, I know quite
a few old cinema cameraman who hated the invention of colour
photography because they believed that -- from the point of view of
pure storytelling -- colour "simply gets in the way".

Opinions?

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Hey, instead of being nerds and celebrating POTA celebrities'
> birthdays, how about we all sound off with ours (the group

members)

> and we'll load these into the group calendear?
>
> Michael

+++ Really nice idea, Michael. Would give us all the chance to
unload malicious e-mails on all the birthday boys/girls
concerned! ;)

For the record, I'm April 2nd.

Mark. xxx

You know, I didn't think about this artistically before, but color
DOES get in the way with textbooks. The more color and fancy
illustrations, the more distracting it is for the learner. And with
hyperactive kids, black and white is the only way to go. IMHO

But, it was so very pretty.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dave B" <smugster@b...> wrote:
> > > The coloured test pages for Beware the Beast have now been
> > uploaded.
> > >
> > > They can be found in a folder in the file section
> entitled 'Beast
> > colour tests'
> > >
> > > Remember, these were just experimental.
> > >
> > > Dave B
>
>
> Mmmm - interesting.
>
> Dave, Neil or Mike -- have you ever studied photography or are any
> of you exponents of B&W vs. colour -- in any medium?
>
> I know that colourising BTB is an important stage towards getting
it
> into the market, and I applaud you for your efforts -- but y'know
> what...?
>
> BEWARE THE BEAST is better in black and white. Alot better.
>
> It looks like a comic now. A comic. Neil's stuff now sits on the
> page as artwork when before I just saw Gideon's dilemma.
>
> THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM. Purely an observation. Hell, I know
quite
> a few old cinema cameraman who hated the invention of colour
> photography because they believed that -- from the point of view of
> pure storytelling -- colour "simply gets in the way".
>
> Opinions?
>
> Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> You know, I didn't think about this artistically before, but color
> DOES get in the way with textbooks. The more color and fancy
> illustrations, the more distracting it is for the learner. And

with

> hyperactive kids, black and white is the only way to go. IMHO
>

+++ Yep. Oddly, it actually IS easier to get people to concentrate
on a story if it's in black and white. In all mediums.

It's part psychological and part aesthetic.

Interesting, eh?

Mark.

Terry Hoknes and Greg # 2, please contact me at the above address. Juno
crashed last night and I don't have the recent e-mails (from both of you)
that I need to respond to. If possible, please send them again.

Thanks!

Chris Lawless

Did anyone know about this?

http://www.djangomusic.com/artist_music.asp?pid=P+++441796&afid=WES002152
1026


Chris L.

on 8/25/04 11:17 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

Did anyone know about this?

http://www.djangomusic.com/artist_music.asp?pid=P+++441796&afid=WES002152
1026


Chris L.

Fascinating... absolutely fascinating. The description even says that "They
perform in a wild frenzy, often including people in ape garb from the old
movie series on-stage with them." My favorite titles from some of their
songs are "Ursus' Helmet," "We Want Guns" and "Kung Fu Grip." Being a G.I.
Joe collector as well as an Apes fan, I can really relate to the last one.

Will


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I remember when you posted that. It probably gave me the courage to
run the poll. I hope more people will respond. The poll is
completely confidential. No names will ape-peer in the results, so
feel free to log in to the poll site at
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/surveys?id=1520178 and
let us know when you were born. Then stop by the group's homepage at
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/ and check out the files
and photos and links that members have submitted for your enjoyment.

All it takes is a coupe clicks and you've recorded your response in
the poll. No saleman will call. You won't be deluged with email
spam or bargains by mail.

So, cast your vote today, and let's see if Mark T-B was right!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> >
> > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > PotaDG group:
> >
> > I'm interested in POTA fan
> > demographics.
>
> Here is my first question: What year
> > were you born?
>
>
> +++ Erm -- the (current) results are no surprise.
>
> See my POTADG Post# 20282.
>
> Yours, feeling rather smug.
>
> Mark T-B ;)

Hey, I think I just posted my results. Lets try that again...
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/polls

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> I remember when you posted that. It probably gave me the courage

to

> run the poll. I hope more people will respond. The poll is
> completely confidential. No names will ape-peer in the results, so
> feel free to log in to the poll site at
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/surveys?id=1520178 and
> let us know when you were born. Then stop by the group's homepage

at

> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/ and check out the

files

> and photos and links that members have submitted for your

enjoyment.

>
> All it takes is a coupe clicks and you've recorded your response in
> the poll. No saleman will call. You won't be deluged with email
> spam or bargains by mail.
>
> So, cast your vote today, and let's see if Mark T-B was right!
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
> > > PotaDG group:
> > >
> > > I'm interested in POTA fan
> > > demographics.
> >
> > Here is my first question: What year
> > > were you born?
> >
> >
> > +++ Erm -- the (current) results are no surprise.
> >
> > See my POTADG Post# 20282.
> >
> > Yours, feeling rather smug.
> >
> > Mark T-B ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
> answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
> happened to it?
>
> Michael

*** Well, as far as the TV show is concerned, the disc was introduced
in the pilot ["ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"] and its recovery was the plot-
trigger for the episode "THE GLADIATORS" and after that they never
mentioned it again!

They don't show it; they don't say that they lost it; they don't say
that they still have it. None of that.

IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
have for it.
The "LAST thing that has happened to it" that anyone can possibly
know of, is that Virdon has it back in his possession after Barlow
returns it to him, following the events of "THE GLADIATORS".

Virdon DID lose the photograph of himself with Sally and Chris --
since Zaius has it in his possession after Virdon had been captured
in "THE LEGACY" and, indeed, uses it to come up with his
psychological plan to trick Virdon into divulging the whereabouts of
Galen & Burke -- to Arn and Kraik as his pseudo-wife-and-son. I don't
see any way in which Virdon could possibly have gotten that
photograph back from Zaius -- he's lost it for good. And, it just
MIGHT be that Zaius' possession of that photograph leads, in time, to
the Ape re-invention of photography (i.e. the Apes "retroengineer"
the photograph, finding out what type of material the image is
captured on, and figuring out how to duplicate it, etc).

But the disc? As far as we know, the Fugitives still have it
with 'em, probably kept in a pocket of Galen's duds. That's how I see
it, anyway.

Patrick

Patrick,

I disagree. I don't think Galen would be the likely one to carry the
disc.

You are assuming that the boys have no pockets. That just doesn't
make sense. I can't imagine any man I know going through a day
without pockets. It is very easy to sew pockets into clothes, and
anyone (even a man) can do it. The disc would require a small pocket
that could be easily hidden in a seam. With a drawstring, it could
be easily accessed and the disc could be removed quickly and
transferred to a new hiding place if a threat occurred.

Galen was equally suspect and his clothing would be in no less danger
of a search than the boys. In fact, knowing the manufacture of his
clothing and knowing that it HAS pockets makes him a more likely
candidate to be searched.

Also, his lack of understanding of the importance of the disc
probably makes him less protective of the disc. Only a person whose
hopes are wrapped up in the disc would have the almost instinctive
drive to see that it was kept safe. I think Virdon has it.

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"

<Michael.Whitty@d...>

> wrote:
> > OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has

been

> > answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
> > happened to it?
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** Well, as far as the TV show is concerned, the disc was

introduced

> in the pilot ["ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"] and its recovery was the plot-
> trigger for the episode "THE GLADIATORS" and after that they never
> mentioned it again!
>
> They don't show it; they don't say that they lost it; they don't

say

> that they still have it. None of that.
>
> IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
> suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
> safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
> it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
> have for it.
> The "LAST thing that has happened to it" that anyone can possibly
> know of, is that Virdon has it back in his possession after Barlow
> returns it to him, following the events of "THE GLADIATORS".
>
> Virdon DID lose the photograph of himself with Sally and Chris --
> since Zaius has it in his possession after Virdon had been captured
> in "THE LEGACY" and, indeed, uses it to come up with his
> psychological plan to trick Virdon into divulging the whereabouts

of

> Galen & Burke -- to Arn and Kraik as his pseudo-wife-and-son. I

don't

> see any way in which Virdon could possibly have gotten that
> photograph back from Zaius -- he's lost it for good. And, it just
> MIGHT be that Zaius' possession of that photograph leads, in time,

to

> the Ape re-invention of photography (i.e. the Apes "retroengineer"
> the photograph, finding out what type of material the image is
> captured on, and figuring out how to duplicate it, etc).
>
> But the disc? As far as we know, the Fugitives still have it
> with 'em, probably kept in a pocket of Galen's duds. That's how I

see

> it, anyway.
>
> Patrick

how come in the first movie the gorillas know how to use photography?

are there any known photos posted of famous apes anywhere the lawgiver, high council members

isnt that ironic??



how come in the first movie when the astronauts desperately look for life
they finally find one lone plant and they quickly dig it up why do they kill it?



what tv episodes show maps of ape city or forbidden zone or land or anything ?

what is the official date that the tv series takes place? the time in the opening credits doesnt seem to jive with what they say in the show ?!?



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Hope it was a good one Michael! Sounds like you scored
on the gifts!

Tim
September 23


-

The coloring is extremely well done Neil!...did you do
it on the page or the computer? watercolor or
airbrush?? It looks great!

However, I think I agree with Mark that it is better
in B&W......a certain mystery to it
perhaps......either one as a full blown comic is fine
with me tho!
Tim

Hi Tim!

Thanks!

What did you send me? ;)

I tried to enter Sparky's Birtday yesterday and now it comes up on the 3rd
of EVERY month.

I resign. ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:05 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday, Michael!!


Hope it was a good one Michael! Sounds like you scored
on the gifts!

Tim
September 23








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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> > IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then

I'd

> suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would

be

> safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in

which

> it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes

to

> have for it.

+++ Patrick,

With all due respect, I simply do not agree that Virdon would have
given the disk to Galen.

We are NOT talking rationality here. This is a human being's last
chance to retain his family, identity, environment -- his very
existence. The man Virdon would've kept it close. I think it
would've made him feel better.

Mark T-B.

Hey Tim

Those footseps you hear are Dave Ballard's - he did the colouring! Poor
Neil can onl Paint!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Beast in living colour!


The coloring is extremely well done Neil!...did you do
it on the page or the computer? watercolor or
airbrush?? It looks great!

However, I think I agree with Mark that it is better
in B&W......a certain mystery to it
perhaps......either one as a full blown comic is fine
with me tho!
Tim







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> I disagree. I don't think Galen would be the likely one to carry

the

> disc.
>
> You are assuming that the boys have no pockets. That just doesn't
> make sense. I can't imagine any man I know going through a day
> without pockets. It is very easy to sew pockets into clothes, and
> anyone (even a man) can do it. The disc would require a small

pocket

> that could be easily hidden in a seam. With a drawstring, it

could

> be easily accessed and the disc could be removed quickly and
> transferred to a new hiding place if a threat occurred.
>
> Galen was equally suspect and his clothing would be in no less

danger

> of a search than the boys. In fact, knowing the manufacture of

his

> clothing and knowing that it HAS pockets makes him a more likely
> candidate to be searched.
>
> Also, his lack of understanding of the importance of the disc
> probably makes him less protective of the disc. Only a person

whose

> hopes are wrapped up in the disc would have the almost instinctive
> drive to see that it was kept safe. I think Virdon has it.
>
> --Helen

++Er, yeah. I wrote my last post before I read Helen's.

Talking of pockets, remember what Virdon made for Kraik in THE
LEGACY?

"All you need to do now is womp up a strap and you've got something
to carry your things in."

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:

> how come in the first movie the gorillas know how to use

photography?

>
> are there any known photos posted of famous apes anywhere the

lawgiver, high council members

>
> isnt that ironic??
>

+++ Dramatic license. It's funny.

Again, blame Serling, Wilson and Schaffner.

Mark T-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> The coloring is extremely well done Neil!...did you do
> it on the page or the computer? watercolor or
> airbrush?? It looks great!
>
> However, I think I agree with Mark that it is better
> in B&W......a certain mystery to it
> perhaps......either one as a full blown comic is fine
> with me tho!
> Tim
>

+++ BETTER IN B&W!!!! BETTER IN B&W!!!

Mark T-B. ;)

I can see the benefit of having BOTH!

If I end up buying the license and printing this myself it WILL be in B&W.

If a major comic publisher takes it on, they will likely COLOUR it - it is
hard to FIND a B&W comic nowdays!

I would be happy to see BOTH! Happy or greedy - or are the two the same
thing?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 9:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Beast in living colour!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> The coloring is extremely well done Neil!...did you do it on the page or
the computer? watercolor or airbrush?? It looks great!
>
> However, I think I agree with Mark that it is better in B&W......a certain
mystery to it
> perhaps......either one as a full blown comic is fine with me tho!
> Tim
>

+++ BETTER IN B&W!!!! BETTER IN B&W!!!

Mark T-B. ;)






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Well, I think they would have found a safe place - and HIDDEN it there!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Somebody help!


Patrick,

I disagree. I don't think Galen would be the likely one to carry the
disc.

You are assuming that the boys have no pockets. That just doesn't
make sense. I can't imagine any man I know going through a day
without pockets. It is very easy to sew pockets into clothes, and
anyone (even a man) can do it. The disc would require a small pocket
that could be easily hidden in a seam. With a drawstring, it could
be easily accessed and the disc could be removed quickly and
transferred to a new hiding place if a threat occurred.

Galen was equally suspect and his clothing would be in no less danger
of a search than the boys. In fact, knowing the manufacture of his
clothing and knowing that it HAS pockets makes him a more likely
candidate to be searched.

Also, his lack of understanding of the importance of the disc
probably makes him less protective of the disc. Only a person whose
hopes are wrapped up in the disc would have the almost instinctive
drive to see that it was kept safe. I think Virdon has it.

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"

<Michael.Whitty@d...>

> wrote:
> > OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has

been

> > answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
> > happened to it?
> >
> > Michael
>
> *** Well, as far as the TV show is concerned, the disc was

introduced

> in the pilot ["ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"] and its recovery was the plot-
> trigger for the episode "THE GLADIATORS" and after that they never
> mentioned it again!
>
> They don't show it; they don't say that they lost it; they don't

say

> that they still have it. None of that.
>
> IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
> suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
> safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
> it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
> have for it.
> The "LAST thing that has happened to it" that anyone can possibly
> know of, is that Virdon has it back in his possession after Barlow
> returns it to him, following the events of "THE GLADIATORS".
>
> Virdon DID lose the photograph of himself with Sally and Chris --
> since Zaius has it in his possession after Virdon had been captured
> in "THE LEGACY" and, indeed, uses it to come up with his
> psychological plan to trick Virdon into divulging the whereabouts

of

> Galen & Burke -- to Arn and Kraik as his pseudo-wife-and-son. I

don't

> see any way in which Virdon could possibly have gotten that
> photograph back from Zaius -- he's lost it for good. And, it just
> MIGHT be that Zaius' possession of that photograph leads, in time,

to

> the Ape re-invention of photography (i.e. the Apes "retroengineer"
> the photograph, finding out what type of material the image is
> captured on, and figuring out how to duplicate it, etc).
>
> But the disc? As far as we know, the Fugitives still have it
> with 'em, probably kept in a pocket of Galen's duds. That's how I

see

> it, anyway.
>
> Patrick







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That's a good question since the society is supposed to shun technology, and
as you said other than the taking of this photo you don't SEE any other
photos around....do you?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com;
apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA QUESTIONS


how come in the first movie the gorillas know how to use photography?

are there any known photos posted of famous apes anywhere the lawgiver,
high council members

isnt that ironic??







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Because....."mankind is capable only of destruction..." ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com;
apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA QUESTIONS


how come in the first movie when the astronauts desperately look for life
they finally find one lone plant and they quickly dig it up why do they
kill it?







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I don't recall the episodes but we used to have Cornelius' map of the
Forbidden Zone and a spliced together image of the map in Zaius' office
somewherein the files.....anyone know if they were left behind?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com;
apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA QUESTIONS


what tv episodes show maps of ape city or forbidden zone or land or
anything ?








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Not sure...anyone?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com;
apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA QUESTIONS


what is the official date that the tv series takes place? the time in the
opening credits doesnt seem to jive with what they say in the show ?!?








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks to Greg#2 and Greg P., the first issue of "Ape Nation" is available
for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Great work from all 3 of you again thanks!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hunter Goatley [goathunter@...]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 2:08 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Ape Nation Issue 1 available


Thanks to Greg#2 and Greg P., the first issue of "Ape Nation" is available
for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/ <http://www.goatley.com/pota/>

Hunter







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on 8/26/04 10:24 AM, patrickmichaeltilton at patrickmichaeltilton@...
wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
> answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
> happened to it?
>
> Michael

*** Well, as far as the TV show is concerned, the disc was introduced
in the pilot ["ESCAPE FROM TOMORROW"] and its recovery was the plot-
trigger for the episode "THE GLADIATORS" and after that they never
mentioned it again!

They don't show it; they don't say that they lost it; they don't say
that they still have it. None of that.

IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
have for it.
The "LAST thing that has happened to it" that anyone can possibly
know of, is that Virdon has it back in his possession after Barlow
returns it to him, following the events of "THE GLADIATORS".

Virdon DID lose the photograph of himself with Sally and Chris --
since Zaius has it in his possession after Virdon had been captured
in "THE LEGACY" and, indeed, uses it to come up with his
psychological plan to trick Virdon into divulging the whereabouts of
Galen & Burke -- to Arn and Kraik as his pseudo-wife-and-son. I don't
see any way in which Virdon could possibly have gotten that
photograph back from Zaius -- he's lost it for good. And, it just
MIGHT be that Zaius' possession of that photograph leads, in time, to
the Ape re-invention of photography (i.e. the Apes "retroengineer"
the photograph, finding out what type of material the image is
captured on, and figuring out how to duplicate it, etc).

But the disc? As far as we know, the Fugitives still have it
with 'em, probably kept in a pocket of Galen's duds. That's how I see
it, anyway.

Patrick


Darn well said!

Will


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Hi My name is John aka LONFAN on Various POTA and Sci Fi Modeling
BB's The ORIGINAL "Apes" Is my Favorite Film of ALL TIME,So much so I
named my Son (he's Five Now) Taylor! Well the wife wouldn't go for
Naming him Zaius!!! LOL Seriously Thanks for inviting me Mike Looks
like a Great Place!

JOHN/LONFAN
BTW the LONFAN is my "Handle" on these BB's It reflects my Love of
Make-Up Master Lon Chaney! If you were wondering lol

HEY can we Post any Kind of "Swap&Sell" Stuff Here? If So I'm Lookin'
for one of those Mediacom "Nova and Taylor" Action Figures Please
contact me if you have them or can point me in the right Direction!
Hey Thanks,
JOHN/LONFAN
www.branchbrood93@...

Hi John and welcome.

We are currently revising our policies and rules, but I suggest this
for the sale of things:

Essentially, if a FAN is looking for something, then fine. Ask away
and you'll get various answers.

Recently a few dealers have shown up on the group and instantly
started throwing up ads for POTA stuff. Now I'm thankful it is POTA
and not Viagra (!), but who the hell are these people?

Terry has stuff for sale - he is undoubtably a fan and so I say
allow it. People (certainly myself) often post eBay links...I think
that's OK too.

It's just people we don't know coming in out of the blue that
bothers me.

Comments?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "branchbrood" <branchbrood93@j...>
wrote:

> HEY can we Post any Kind of "Swap&Sell" Stuff Here? If So I'm

Lookin'

> for one of those Mediacom "Nova and Taylor" Action Figures Please
> contact me if you have them or can point me in the right

Direction!

> Hey Thanks,
> JOHN/LONFAN
> www.branchbrood93@j...

Good call, Michael. That part always bothered me... but, if anyone
had been thinking about it, they would have planned it that way on
purpose for that very reason. ....."mankind is capable only of
destruction..."

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Because;)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hoknes [hoknes@h...]
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 7:32 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com;
> apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] POTA QUESTIONS
>
>
> how come in the first movie when the astronauts desperately look

for life

> they finally find one lone plant and they quickly dig it up why

do they

> kill it?
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Patrick, I disagree. I don't think Galen would be the likely one

to carry the disc.

> >
> > You are assuming that the boys have no pockets. That just doesn't

make sense. I can't imagine any man I know going through a day
without pockets. It is very easy to sew pockets into clothes, and
anyone (even a man) can do it. The disc would require a small pocket
that could be easily hidden in a seam. With a drawstring, it could be
easily accessed and the disc could be removed quickly and transferred
to a new hiding place if a threat occurred.

> >
> > Galen was equally suspect and his clothing would be in no less

danger of a search than the boys. In fact, knowing the manufacture of
his clothing and knowing that it HAS pockets makes him a more likely
candidate to be searched.

> >
> > Also, his lack of understanding of the importance of the disc

probably makes him less protective of the disc. Only a person whose
hopes are wrapped up in the disc would have the almost instinctive
drive to see that it was kept safe. I think Virdon has it.

> >
> > --Helen
>
>
> ++Er, yeah. I wrote my last post before I read Helen's.
>
> Talking of pockets, remember what Virdon made for Kraik in THE

LEGACY?

>
> "All you need to do now is womp up a strap and you've got something

to carry your things in."

>
> Mark T-B.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
*** Both points well taken. But, if I may, I'd like to point out that
at the ending of "TOMORROW'S TIDE", when Virdon and Burke are dressed
in nuthin' but loincloths, yet Galen is fully dressed in his green
chimp duds, Virdon doesn't mention anything whatsoever about having
to go and get their clothes from Gato's daughter, or anything like
that. I'll have to go back and watch the episode again (hell, ALL
of 'em again soon!), but it doesn't look to me like Virdon has
anywhere on his person to keep that precious disc when he and Burke
and Galen are out on that raft headin' away from the fishing village.

Either Virdon DOES have it tucked away in his loincloth (or, uh,
hidden away somewhere where sunlight doesn't shine), or he's already
lost it, or Burke has it in HIS loincloth (etc), or Galen has it in
some pocket or other.

I agree that Virdon would be extremely protective of the Disc, to the
point of obsession. And he DOES use a little bag, or something,
in "THE GOOD SEEDS" in which he keeps his self-made compass -- which
allowed 'em to travel at night, when Urko's gorillas couldn't follow
due to navigational problems. Does Virdon keep the Disc in that bag
along with his compass, etc.? Is that bag small enough to fit inside
the loincloth he's seen wearing at the end of "TOMORROW'S TIDE"?

"Hey, Alan, is that a bag of trinkets in your loincloth, or are you
just happy to see me?" I can just hear Burke yokkin' it up...

This question of "Who has the Disc" is an EXTREMELY important one to
me, for the sake of my POTA epic project, and I want to make sure
that Virdon DOES have it in the 'final' and '15th' episode I'm
writing (the 'chapter' of my book which will be titled "ESCAPE TO
YESTERDAY", harkening back to the pilot episode's title), because the
information on that disc will enable him and Burke to attempt to
accomplish what he foolishly hopes to do: get back to the Past, to
his wife and son.

So... when he's nearly naked at the end of "TOMORROW'S TIDE", and IF
the disc is still in their possession... does Virdon have it in his
loincloth, hidden away in a little bag o' trinkets with his compass,
a small knife, etc? Or... might he not have reasoned that it would be
safest to have Galen carry it in a pocket? Sure, they're ALL
fugitives on this crazy planet... but a gun-totin' gorilla would be
more likely to shoot either of the two HUMAN targets he might see,
rather than the APE travelling with 'em.

After all, the "most sacred law" of the Apes is: "Ape shall NEVER
kill Ape". Even when it's considered "legal" and "justifiable" -- as
in the case of a State-warranted execution -- there still would be an
instilled repugnance to the very idea of an Ape shooting another Ape.
I wonder how many times Galen is shot at by a gorilla who probably
COULD have hit him... yet 'missed' after all. Virdon wasn't so lucky.
This, despite the fact that Galen is probably the first ape in who
knows HOW long to have "murdered" another ape -- the gorilla
lieutenant/assassin whom Urko had told "you KNOW what I expect you to
do... after dark..." The gorillas know that the 3 fugitives
are "enemies of the state" and that Galen is a fugitive not only for
having befriended the dangerous humans and fled with them, but also
for having supposedly "murdered" Urko's lieutenant. A fellow gorilla.
And yet, so many bullets MISS Galen when gorilla rifles are aiming at
him!

Anyway, I just don't think it's in the realm of impossibility that
Virdon -- despite his NEED to have his precious disc close to him --
would reason that it might be safer to have it in Galen's possession.
If it was in Galen's pocket, at the end of "TOMORROW'S TIDE", then it
follows that Virdon wouldn't have any worries about the disc's
whereabouts: HE may be nearly naked, but GALEN still is dressed in
his familiar duds. And IN a pocket of those duds, I suspect, the Disc
is safe and sound. Hence, Virdon doesn't worry about it, or about
retrieving any of his other belongings -- the clothes he and Burke
left behind in the fishing village. Those clothes can be replaced...
but the disc CAN'T.

Patrick

P.S. In "THE LEGACY", Virdon is captured by gorillas, and Zaius
acquires from him the photograph of him and his wife Sally and their
son Chris. Whatever belongings Virdon was carrying on his person WERE
CONFISCATED. I'm sure that if Zaius had him searched, and they were
able to find the photograph -- an item almost as precious to Virdon
as the disc is -- then they also would've found the disc, IF it had
been there to find.

Why didn't they find the disc, too? Perhaps it wasn't there to be
found. Either it had been lost prior to that, or Virdon had left it
with the holograph-projector machine in the Oakland Science
Institute, or he wasn't carrying it himself anymore. If he could lose
it during the fight with Dalton and Tolar so easily, perhaps THAT
taught him that he needed a better-made receptacle for that precious
disc -- say, in a top-of-the-line "ape's new suit" like the one Galen
wears.

I don't think that Virdon would've kept the photograph in a pocket or
a bag AND left the disc in the Oakland Science Institute [OSI]at the
same time. But he might have. He might've thought that going out into
the streets of the wrecked city would expose them to the danger of
possibly being captured or killed by the gorillas who patrol the
town... and it would be best to leave the disc in the OSI, where they
would work on a battery to get the gizmo working again.

But he brings along the photograph, nevertheless. He might feel that
losing the photo is not as important as losing the disc; the photo
merely reminds him of what he wants to get back to... but the disc is
a tangible item which holds out hope of his actually getting back to
them. Sentimentality would force him to keep the picture always with
him... but NOT the disc, necessarily. He would take less of a chance
with losing the disc. So, either he left it at the OSI, or he
entrusted its safekeeping to a pocket in Galen's clothing.

This is interesting, for anyone who has not caught it.

Think Patrick may go "bananas" at this. ;)

MT-B.


http://www.towson.edu/~flynn/apes.html"

Also,

Have a look at these fab images of Taylor's sunken ship.

(Yes -- I know this may be old news to many of you dedicated boys
and girls out there -- but to some it will not!)

Mark T-B. ;)

http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/lafortune.htm

I ASSURE YOU I'AM But A MAN! lol I'm here As myself I just love the
Apes Films ESPECIALLY "Beneath"! lol Ursus is my Favorite Ape! Nova
my Fave Human (For Obvious Reasons lol) as I said I actually Named my
Son "Taylor" I get a Kick oughta explained how my boys named was
derived from a guy in my Fave Film of all Time! lol But seriously I
Was Only inquiring if anyboy had Some of these Figures for sale
THANKS FOR THE INFO and I think I'm gonna like it here!
JOHN/LONFAN

beautiful images.
thanks for great link.

sparkytb2005 <sparkytb@...> wrote:
Also,

Have a look at these fab images of Taylor's sunken ship.

(Yes -- I know this may be old news to many of you dedicated boys
and girls out there -- but to some it will not!)

Mark T-B. ;)

http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/lafortune.htm





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go vegetarian!


---------------------------------

Most of us here are well acquainted with the fact that Rod Serling
co-penned POTA as well as having helmed the classic Twilight Zone TV
series.
Now someone has repackaged the entire movie into classic TZ format.
You can see it here:
<http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/media/tzone..html">

Warning, the Quicktime file is quite large so only people with
broadband access (or who are VERY patient) should give it a whirl.

The site also has a nice intro into how this project came about.

Dario

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Dario" <ev001@n...> wrote:

>
> Most of us here are well acquainted with the fact that Rod Serling
> co-penned POTA as well as having helmed the classic Twilight Zone

TV

> series.
> Now someone has repackaged the entire movie into classic TZ format.
> You can see it here:
> <http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/media/tzone..html">
>
> Warning, the Quicktime file is quite large so only people with
> broadband access (or who are VERY patient) should give it a whirl.
>
> The site also has a nice intro into how this project came about.
>
> Dario

+++ Thanks Dario.

I downloaded this a while ago and think it's an incredibly
interesting take on the original story.

The Rod Serling Twilight Zone half-hour format mixed in with the
original apes movie is an intriguing angle on the film we love.

Plus (and guys, some of you out there know what I'm talking about) --
you get to see the original POTA in BLACK AND WHITE!!!!!

Yes!

Mark T-B.

P.S. A quick open question for all of you.

I previously posted a couple of Apes-related links for everyone to
look at. However, I get a bit nervous doing this because I assume
all of you are very computer savvy and have seen it all before.

I have found some quite interesting stuff at times. May I continue
to drop web links into the conversation?

I will apologise now to those of you who say: "Oh -- I've seen
that!" But remember -- many have not.

For example -- how many of you have seen that intriguing fan-
produced film where a gorilla garrison finds Brent's ship and
launches it?

I loved that.

Replies please?

MT-B

This is great Dario.

I'm looking into transferring it to DVD or CD so everybody can play
it without downloading.

Maybe it could be included with the Return series or the Rarities.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dario" <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
> Most of us here are well acquainted with the fact that Rod Serling
> co-penned POTA as well as having helmed the classic Twilight Zone
TV
> series.
> Now someone has repackaged the entire movie into classic TZ format.
> You can see it here:
> <http://www.theforbidden-zone.com/media/tzone..html">
>
> Warning, the Quicktime file is quite large so only people with
> broadband access (or who are VERY patient) should give it a whirl.
>
> The site also has a nice intro into how this project came about.
>
> Dario

Hi Mark.

I had NOT seen a lot of these links and it is silly not to post them -
as you now know we get on average 5-6 new members a week here and while
we may be going over the same ground for some, the whole reason we are
here is to be a RESOURCE for POTA fans. If you have heard it before or
seen it before, skip over it. There's always something interesting
around the corner on this group to keep you going.

To the many new members, WELCOME. Don't be shy...say what you want - as
silly as you think it might sound. You won't be judged here and you
won't be attacked.

By the way Mark, I have heard about the Fan Produced film where they
find Brent's ship but I have not seen it. Is Gideon involved? ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: sparkytb2005[SMTP:SPARKYTB@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 9:07:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Twilight Zone POTA + other stuff
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

P.S. A quick open question for all of you.

I previously posted a couple of Apes-related links for everyone to
look at. However, I get a bit nervous doing this because I assume
all of you are very computer savvy and have seen it all before.

I have found some quite interesting stuff at times. May I continue
to drop web links into the conversation?

I will apologise now to those of you who say: "Oh -- I've seen
that!" But remember -- many have not.

For example -- how many of you have seen that intriguing fan-
produced film where a gorilla garrison finds Brent's ship and
launches it?

I loved that.

Replies please?

MT-B

OK everybody,

I am about to pack up my 1990s POTA comic collection.

Before I do, is there anything else we need clarified or scanned from
these?

Michael


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Neil was recently asking how many Aussie comics there were.

Well, I count #1 - #15 in MY collection (PLUS the special Kingdom on an
Island of the Apes).....then an UNNUMBERED one I thought was #16 but it
may not be! It has no number, and the cover is a combination of Escape
and Conquest.

#14 concludes Beneath.

#15 shows the Escape cover with a chimp looking out that Earth's
destruction, BUT contains a Terror story (When the Lawgiver Returns) and
a Chronicles story (City of Nomads).

Then the comic I THOUGHT was #16 starts with the CONCLUSION of Escape
(In the Cradle of a Father's Sins) and the first part of Conquest. So
maybe that is #17 and I am missing #16, or someone buggered up!

HELP!

I am DEFINITELY missing #4 if anybody has one/knows the whereabouts of
one.

Michael

hey michael any chance of sending a picture of the cover of your #17 ??

i dont have a complete set and still looking
however i have a #4 coming from another collector




Neil was recently asking how many Aussie comics there were.

Well, I count #1 - #15 in MY collection (PLUS the special Kingdom on an
Island of the Apes).....then an UNNUMBERED one I thought was #16 but it
may not be! It has no number, and the cover is a combination of Escape
and Conquest.

#14 concludes Beneath.

#15 shows the Escape cover with a chimp looking out that Earth's
destruction, BUT contains a Terror story (When the Lawgiver Returns) and
a Chronicles story (City of Nomads).

Then the comic I THOUGHT was #16 starts with the CONCLUSION of Escape
(In the Cradle of a Father's Sins) and the first part of Conquest. So
maybe that is #17 and I am missing #16, or someone buggered up!

HELP!

I am DEFINITELY missing #4 if anybody has one/knows the whereabouts of
one.

Michael










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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> So maybe that is #17 and I am missing #16, or someone buggered up!
> HELP!

This is weird. I just checked what issues I have and I am
also 'missing' a number 16! I think they may have stuffed up the
numbering with those later issues! I'll have to have a proper look
through them later and try to figure it out.

Neil

PLEASE do this.
please please please
this sounds like an excellent fan project.
are there any others out there?

--- Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

>
> I'm looking into transferring it to DVD or CD so
> everybody can play
> it without downloading.
>

=====
go vegetarian!

Any chance of getting Terror scanned or is that making for an already ugly Marvel debate to rise from the ashes of the past?

If not... I love ol Ploog art and other cracking out my mags I'd love to read it again.

-Chris

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
OK everybody,

I am about to pack up my 1990s POTA comic collection.

Before I do, is there anything else we need clarified or scanned from
these?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Well, I count #1 - #15 in MY collection (PLUS the special Kingdom

on an Island of the Apes).....then an UNNUMBERED one I thought was
#16 but it may not be! It has no number, and the cover is a
combination of Escape and Conquest.

> > #14 concludes Beneath.#15 shows the Escape cover with a chimp

looking out that Earth's destruction, BUT contains a Terror story
(When the Lawgiver Returns) and a Chronicles story (City of Nomads).

> Then the comic I THOUGHT was #16 starts with the CONCLUSION of

Escape (In the Cradle of a Father's Sins) and the first part of
Conquest. So maybe that is #17 and I am missing #16, or someone
buggered up!

The issue I always thought was #17 has no number on the cover. On
the inside splash page it does mention Vol.1 No.17 but I believe
this is wrong.
The Newton #15 I have (Cornelius looking at earth being destroyed
cover) has Vol.1 No.12 on the inside splash page so I am thinking
(without having time to check) that this would be the original US
issue that one of the re-printed stories in the Newton issue or
cover was from??

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

> hey michael any chance of sending a picture of the cover of your

#17 ??


Hey Terry,

As you can see by previous posts the subject of the numbering of
Newton POTAs is getting a bit confusing!

Any way I have uploaded a scan of the comic that I had assumed was
#17, though now I'm not sure what number it could be!

It's in the photos section in the Comic covers folder:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Comic+covers&.s
rc=gr&.dnm=Aussie+POTA+%2317+(maybe).jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/lst%3f%26.dir=/Comic%
2bcovers%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Hope this helps!

Neil

the later issues are truly hard to find even in australia
i lucked out and found a #15 online which i just ordered
otherwise I have #11 and #12
but luckily years ago I found a rare #17 which is a giant issue - double thickness and features the cover from POTA USA Marvel #14 mag
scan included

i would like to find out more about the #16 or #17 or odd one-shot that Michael Whitty mentioned

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> So maybe that is #17 and I am missing #16, or someone buggered up!
> HELP!

This is weird. I just checked what issues I have and I am
also 'missing' a number 16! I think they may have stuffed up the
numbering with those later issues! I'll have to have a proper look
through them later and try to figure it out.


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

> i would like to find out more about the #16 or #17 or odd one-shot

that Michael Whitty mentioned

Terry, I have also uploaded the 2 un-numbered Newton issues that I
have, to the Comic covers folder in the photos section.

Did you know that the 1st issue was later re-released a couple of
times by Yaffa publishing in Australia (once in '78 and again in '82)
but this time the cover colouring was closer to the US original than
the Newton #1 was?

Neil

those 2 unnumbered ones are so cool looking
would it be possible for you to scan the bottom of the first page inside where it gives the copyright and publisher info
that would tell us lots
thanks

yes your #17 is correct

if you look under the NEWTON COMICS logo on the left you can see the #17 written very small

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Comic+covers&.dnm=Aussie+POTA+%2317+( maybe).jpg&.src=gr&.done=http%3a//photos.groupsyahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp%3f.dir=/Comic%2bcovers%26.dnm=Aussie%2bPOTA%2bun-numbered%2b01.jpg%26.src=gr

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Working on the one I THINK is #17 being scanned right now.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> hey michael any chance of sending a picture of the cover of your
#17 ??
>
> i dont have a complete set and still looking
> however i have a #4 coming from another collector

Neil

What's in the one with the gorilla on the horse - I don't have that one?
What are the stories?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2004 12:40:00 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Aussie Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> hey michael any chance of sending a picture of the cover of your
#17 ??


Hey Terry,

As you can see by previous posts the subject of the numbering of
Newton POTAs is getting a bit confusing!

Any way I have uploaded a scan of the comic that I had assumed was
#17, though now I'm not sure what number it could be!

It's in the photos section in the Comic covers folder:

http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Comic+covers
<http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/vwp?.dir=/Comic+covers&.s>
&.s
rc=gr&.dnm=Aussie+POTA+%2317+(maybe).jpg&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/potadg/lst%3f%26.dir=/Comic%
2bcovers%26.src=gr%26.view=t

Hope this helps!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:

> those 2 unnumbered ones are so cool looking
> would it be possible for you to scan the bottom of the first page

inside where it gives the copyright and publisher info

> that would tell us lots
> thanks
>
> yes your #17 is correct
>
> if you look under the NEWTON COMICS logo on the left you can see

the #17 written very small

So it is, my copy is so worn and damaged in that area that it is
really hard to see!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> What's in the one with the gorilla on the horse - I don't have

that one?

> What are the stories?

First story is Terror phase two: Up the nose-tube to monkey-trash.

Second is Escape psrt 3: Trouble in paradise lost.

Third is Future history chronicles 2: dreamer in emerald silence.

There is also the re-printed photo/article section: Shaping a simian
world.

Neil