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APE CHRONICLES #37 (July 31st 2004) Issue

PLANET OF THE APES INTERNATIONAL FAN CLUB - OFFICIAL FANZINE -
AVAILABLE FOR ORDER (WORLDWIDE)

ARTICLES INCLUDE:
R.I.P. JERRY GOLDSMITH (1929-2004)
Movie soundtrack music composer legend
- Biography / Life Story
- Complete Filmography and credits
- the interview !
- Jerry's famous quotes !

APE ENCYCLOPEDIA
A-Z INDEX TO "THE GLADIATORS"
- Episode 2 of the 1974 TV series
- starring Roddy McDowall

MARVEL UK
Planet Of The Apes Weekly
- Index to Issues #1-25
- of the 1974 British series

POWER RECORDS
POTA book and record sets
- movie adaptations
- and original stories
- script for VOLCANO !

1965 UNUSED SCRIPT
- Part 9
- early script by
- Rod Serling

YAHOOGROUPS
POTA in discussion!
Details for every
POTA email group

TV SHOW CONTEST
- Weekly online trivia
- contest with prizes !

COVER ART by Glen Scheetz

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Comments and submissions should be directed to Terry Hoknes

on 8/27/04 6:07 PM, sparkytb2005 at sparkytb@... wrote:

"For example -- how many of you have seen that intriguing fan-
produced film where a gorilla garrison finds Brent's ship and
launches it?

I loved that."

I haven't seen that one. Care to post the link?

Will


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

And again, I'll try to have that copied on to a DVD playable on DVD
players.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> on 8/27/04 6:07 PM, sparkytb2005 at sparkytb@h... wrote:
>
> "For example -- how many of you have seen that intriguing fan-
> produced film where a gorilla garrison finds Brent's ship and
> launches it?
>
> I loved that."
>
> I haven't seen that one. Care to post the link?
>
> Will
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Then unless they buggered up the numbering, #17 comes BEFORE the
unnumbered one that concludes Escape and starts Conquest, meaning we
may all be missing #16 which should be the beginning of "Escape" and
the unnumberesd one is #18!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> > What's in the one with the gorilla on the horse - I don't have
> that one?
> > What are the stories?
>
> First story is Terror phase two: Up the nose-tube to monkey-trash.
>
> Second is Escape psrt 3: Trouble in paradise lost.
>
> Third is Future history chronicles 2: dreamer in emerald silence.
>
> There is also the re-printed photo/article section: Shaping a
simian
> world.
>
> Neil

Terry,

Congratulations to you and your team for this accomplishment!

I've never heard of Ape Crazy. How many back issues are there of
that mag? Please tell us a bit about that fanzine.

Although there has been a lot of talk over the past couple years
about Chronicles, we haven't seen much of you until recently. Are
there any recent posts summarizing your efforts for those of us who
are unfamiliar with the Planet of the Apes Fan Club?

I look forward to seeing Chronicles #37.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Terry" <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> APE CHRONICLES #37 now available for order ! ready to ship!
>
> Full details for ordering and contents of issue available at this
> link:
>
> http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles37.htm
>
> APE CHRONICLES the official fanzine of the Planet of the Apes Fan
Club
> www.hoknes.com/apes.htm
>
> Email me directly at HOKNES@H...
>
> Your support is greatly needed and appreciated to make the latest
> issues a success and to keep them continuing
>
>
> APE CHRONICLES #37 (July 31st 2004) Issue
>
> PLANET OF THE APES INTERNATIONAL FAN CLUB - OFFICIAL FANZINE -
> AVAILABLE FOR ORDER (WORLDWIDE)
>
> ARTICLES INCLUDE:
> R.I.P. JERRY GOLDSMITH (1929-2004)
> Movie soundtrack music composer legend
> - Biography / Life Story
> - Complete Filmography and credits
> - the interview !
> - Jerry's famous quotes !
>
> APE ENCYCLOPEDIA
> A-Z INDEX TO "THE GLADIATORS"
> - Episode 2 of the 1974 TV series
> - starring Roddy McDowall
>
> MARVEL UK
> Planet Of The Apes Weekly
> - Index to Issues #1-25
> - of the 1974 British series
>
> POWER RECORDS
> POTA book and record sets
> - movie adaptations
> - and original stories
> - script for VOLCANO !
>
> 1965 UNUSED SCRIPT
> - Part 9
> - early script by
> - Rod Serling
>
> YAHOOGROUPS
> POTA in discussion!
> Details for every
> POTA email group
>
> TV SHOW CONTEST
> - Weekly online trivia
> - contest with prizes !
>
> COVER ART by Glen Scheetz
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----------
>
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> Or
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> Terry Hoknes
> 2449 Eastview
> Saskatoon, SK
> Canada
> S7J 3E8
> (306) 373-5182
>
> SUBSCRIPTION RATES
> PAYABLE TO: Terry Hoknes
> All back issues of Ape Chronicles and Ape Crazy are still available
>
> Ape Chronicles is the bi-monthly magazine for the International
> Planet Of The Apes
> Fan Club which is a not-for-profit organization to promote POTA
>
> Comments and submissions should be directed to Terry Hoknes

This is a great website.

I believe the site belongs to Les Hemstock (ANSANAUT), a member of
this group...right?

Les, could you please explain what motivated you to start the
website?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> Also,
>
> Have a look at these fab images of Taylor's sunken ship.
>
> (Yes -- I know this may be old news to many of you dedicated boys
> and girls out there -- but to some it will not!)
>
> Mark T-B. ;)
>
> http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/lafortune.htm

Hi Chris.

Do you want the whole of the Terror series scanned - is that what
you are saying?

Forget the debate...we're all over that now. I know we all tend to
disagree but that's what life is all about.

I for one would like to get back to discussing what we all think
about these other POTA stories and why!

Greg #2 - were you planning on scanning the "Terror" series?

Michael


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...>
wrote:

> Any chance of getting Terror scanned or is that making for an

already ugly Marvel debate to rise from the ashes of the past?

>
> If not... I love ol Ploog art and other cracking out my mags I'd

love to read it again.

>
> -Chris
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK everybody,
>
> I am about to pack up my 1990s POTA comic collection.
>
> Before I do, is there anything else we need clarified or scanned

from

> these?
>
> Michael

Anything else I can tell you or do we have it covered?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

> i would like to find out more about the #16 or #17 or odd one-shot
that Michael Whitty mentioned

I didn't!

Do you have these?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> Did you know that the 1st issue was later re-released a couple of
> times by Yaffa publishing in Australia (once in '78 and again
in '82)
> but this time the cover colouring was closer to the US original
than
> the Newton #1 was?
>
> Neil

Yepper.. .hoping to get the whole Terror series scanned... I think Malibu did a four issue reprinting at it too didn't they? For some reason I thought they did... if not don't worry about scanning each magazine.. what a pain that would be!

Thanks!

-Chris

Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Hi Chris.

Do you want the whole of the Terror series scanned - is that what
you are saying?

Forget the debate...we're all over that now. I know we all tend to
disagree but that's what life is all about.

I for one would like to get back to discussing what we all think
about these other POTA stories and why!

Greg #2 - were you planning on scanning the "Terror" series?

Michael


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...>
wrote:

> Any chance of getting Terror scanned or is that making for an

already ugly Marvel debate to rise from the ashes of the past?

>
> If not... I love ol Ploog art and other cracking out my mags I'd

love to read it again.

>
> -Chris
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK everybody,
>
> I am about to pack up my 1990s POTA comic collection.
>
> Before I do, is there anything else we need clarified or scanned

from

> these?
>
> Michael

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This is on my 'to-do' list after I get a few of the other projects I'm involved with completed. Actually, I plan to scan not only the Terror comics but all of the Marvel work.

Greg P.

HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> wrote:
Any chance of getting Terror scanned or is that making for an already ugly Marvel debate to rise from the ashes of the past?

If not... I love ol Ploog art and other cracking out my mags I'd love to read it again.

-Chris


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
>
> I for one would like to get back to discussing what we all think
> about these other POTA stories and why!
>
>
> Michael
>

Which other stories were you talking about, Michael?

--Helen

on 8/26/04 10:24 AM, patrickmichaeltilton at patrickmichaeltilton@...
wrote:

IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
have for it.

*** While Galen's suit may (or may not have) pockets, guess what, the
Astronauts home-spun fugitive clothing does too... Check your episodes... Episode
one, Chapter six, 17:12 into the first episode shows the guys changing into the
clothes that Farrow brought them from the village... Guess what is clearly
shown on those pants they're putting on:POCKETS...

While I agree with you that more than likely he'd carry it in that little
pouch where it'd not be as apt to slip out, they do have pockets to carry things
in...

As far as what you said about "Tomorrow's Tide":

In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:25:14 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Either Virdon DOES have it tucked away in his loincloth (or, uh,
hidden away somewhere where sunlight doesn't shine), or he's already
lost it, or Burke has it in HIS loincloth (etc), or Galen has it in
some pocket or other.

***I cannot fully agree with that at all... After they were caught , etc. we
see them in the loinclothes that were given to them (by no choosing of there
own, after all they were forced into being fishermen... There clothing would
have been forced from them too...They'd have no time to grab up personal
belongings while being forced to change by gorilla guards...) We then see them in the
next episode back in their usual outfits, which was stupid on the show's
production, but their wearing the same clothes was one of the most consistent
aspects of the show's continuity...

Of the "unflub" scenarios that are out there, the one about it being lost in
"The Legacy" is the one I'd agree with, because it's what I thought myself...
The Apes stripped him down of all his possesions... The disc would be included
in them... More than likely the disc is setting in the cabinet in the house
of Zaius... (You might ask then why the disc wasn't taken when they stole the
book of surgery in a later episode... Well, simple: "The Surgeon" wasn't an
episode involving the disc, so if Zaius were to have the confiscated disc, it'd
have been saved for the plot of a later episode...)

And as far as Whitty's question of "What happened to the disc," my guess is
that it was just something that could pop up in the plot of one episode, be
forgotten for a few, then brought back again when needed... They had no clear
plans for the show's continuity, and the disc was just introduced as a plot
device... Had the show gone on (as it should have!) I am sure the disc would have
reappeared... From episode to episode even their backpacks come and go... The
same can be said (hypothetically) about Virdon's disc...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Malibu sure did 4 issues of "Terror".

For a while there I was hoping they had either found/penned concluding
stories or comics and were going to give us the whole series.

Yet ANOTHER POTA item that was never finished!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: HollowedOut[SMTP:AT_DEATHS_DOOR@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 1:52:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Comics (Terror on the....)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Yepper.. .hoping to get the whole Terror series scanned... I think
Malibu
did a four issue reprinting at it too didn't they? For some reason I
thought
they did... if not don't worry about scanning each magazine.. what a
pain
that would be!

Thanks!

-Chris

Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:
Hi Chris.

Do you want the whole of the Terror series scanned - is that what
you are saying?

Yikes!

What an enormous task Greg!

I just looked up the name "Greg" and the definition is "Loves to scan
comics"!!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 4:39:34 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Terror and other Marvel comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

This is on my 'to-do' list after I get a few of the other projects I'm
involved with completed. Actually, I plan to scan not only the Terror
comics
but all of the Marvel work.

Greg P.

HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> wrote:
Any chance of getting Terror scanned or is that making for an already
ugly
Marvel debate to rise from the ashes of the past?

If not... I love ol Ploog art and other cracking out my mags I'd love to
read it again.

-Chris

Well, let's start with "Terror" for example (sorry Helen I know you
don't have this one yet).

Now, I think the START of this comic is as close as you get to the
"feel" of the POTA series from Marvel comics.

There's the Gorillas taking on the role of the KKK, Alex and Jason the
fugitives. It appears in issue #1, BEFORE the comic of the first POTA
movie! That leads to me thinking again that many readers would have
thought it WAS a movie or TV Show!

And I like the art. I know I'll be criticised for saying so, but I do
prefer Neil's REAL looking apes. I always have - since I was a young
POTA fan and artist (only until I realised to be REALLY good would
require EFFORT!), I always wondered WHY they could not get the LOOK
right.

Well, now I know! It takes too long (right Neil!).

As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in saying
"NNNOOOooooo!!!"?

Michael

> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:07:46 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comics
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
>
> I for one would like to get back to discussing what we all think
> about these other POTA stories and why!
>
>
> Michael
>

Which other stories were you talking about, Michael?

--Helen

Now this is what I like about these groups - you really do learn
something new each day!

Thanks Cougar - now I want to know why the hell I also assumed the
Astros never had pockets???!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:28:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] More on Virdon's Disc...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

on 8/26/04 10:24 AM, patrickmichaeltilton at
patrickmichaeltilton@...
wrote:

IF they still have it -- throughout ALL the 14 episodes -- then I'd
suggest that Virdon entrusted its safekeeping to Galen. It would be
safest with him, and chances are Galen's duds have POCKETS in which
it could be tucked away for the eventual future use Virdon hopes to
have for it.

*** While Galen's suit may (or may not have) pockets, guess what, the
Astronauts home-spun fugitive clothing does too... Check your
episodes...
Episode one, Chapter six, 17:12 into the first episode shows the guys
changing into the clothes that Farrow brought them from the village...
Guess what is clearly shown on those pants they're putting on:POCKETS...


While I agree with you that more than likely he'd carry it in that
little
pouch where it'd not be as apt to slip out, they do have pockets to
carry
things in...

And now the BACKPACKS too!?!??!

Will it ever end?? ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:28:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] More on Virdon's Disc...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 8/27/2004 11:25:14 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Either Virdon DOES have it tucked away in his loincloth (or, uh, hidden
away somewhere where sunlight doesn't shine), or he's already lost it,
or Burke has it in HIS loincloth (etc), or Galen has it in some pocket
or other.

***I cannot fully agree with that at all... After they were caught ,
etc. we
see them in the loinclothes that were given to them (by no choosing of
there
own, after all they were forced into being fishermen... There clothing
would
have been forced from them too...They'd have no time to grab up personal

belongings while being forced to change by gorilla guards...) We then
see
them in the next episode back in their usual outfits, which was stupid
on the show's production, but their wearing the same clothes was one of
the most consistent aspects of the show's continuity...

Of the "unflub" scenarios that are out there, the one about it being
lost in
"The Legacy" is the one I'd agree with, because it's what I thought
myself...
The Apes stripped him down of all his possesions... The disc would be
included in them... More than likely the disc is setting in the cabinet
in the house of Zaius... (You might ask then why the disc wasn't taken
when they stole the book of surgery in a later episode... Well, simple:
"The Surgeon" wasn't an episode involving the disc, so if Zaius were to
have the confiscated disc, it'd have been saved for the plot of a later
episode...)

And as far as Whitty's question of "What happened to the disc," my guess
is
that it was just something that could pop up in the plot of one episode,
be
forgotten for a few, then brought back again when needed... They had no
clear plans for the show's continuity, and the disc was just introduced
as a plot device... Had the show gone on (as it should have!) I am sure
the disc would have reappeared... From episode to episode even their
backpacks come and go... The same can be said (hypothetically) about
Virdon's disc...

Hey all.

I'm sure James would want everyone on the DG to see this too! It is
a Beneath "promo" that includes some extra scanes which nevere made
it to the final cut!

Michael

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "James" <JamesA1102@a...> wrote:
For all that what to download just right click on this link:

http://www.mediamercenary.com/POTAimages/Downloads/beneath_promo.wmv

and choose "Save Target As".

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
> artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in saying
> "NNNOOOooooo!!!"?
>
> Michael
>

"NNNOOOooooo!!!"

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I didn't!
> Do you have these?

Yes I do! I also had another look at them and they are not reprints
of the Newton #1 but are actually reprints of the US #1 without all
the adverts and Marvel stuff. It has the same strips (same length as
well) and they have the same articles/photos sections as the US
version #1 too.

The ones I have are from 1978 and 1982. The '78 one has a No1 on the
left that is badly covered over on the '82 reprint which also has a
higher price. I don't know if there were any others released, these
are the only two I have seen.

Once again I've uploaded scans of the covers to the photos section -
Comic covers

Neil

In a message dated 8/28/2004 7:30:11 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in saying
"NNNOOOooooo!!!"?



Neil, I agree with Whitty... Keep your apes looking like POTA apes...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A few days ago, Whitty was asking about the TV series date...The year that
the
chronometer shows for the TV series is 3085 (and like someone said, Burke
read that
year off too...) He also said "It may be further...That's when it stopped
working..." That's what I think happened... I don't put full belief in the
reliabilty of those instruments, especially not when they could have "flipped
over" like a car's odometer... They probably flip, flip again, and get all
out of whack... That's just a theory of course... Anyway, the 3085 year is also
mentioned on the back of one of the TOPPS trading cards, and in one
of the novels, it says something like "The year 3085: Apes reign, ignorance
rules, and the only good human is a dead human"... BUT in the book's stories,
they mention being 2,000 years from now, so who knows for sure...
But 3085 is pretty much the year mentioned...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Well, let's start with "Terror"
> Now, I think the START of this comic is as close as you get to the
> "feel" of the POTA series from Marvel comics.
> There's the Gorillas taking on the role of the KKK, Alex and Jason

the fugitives.

--Very true. Even for those who didn't like how the story progressed
(giant brains in fishbowls, gorilloroids etc.!) the first couple of
chapters of Terror are as close to 'the real' POTA that Marvel
stories probably got. Plus it has the outstanding art of Mike Ploog
to recommend it also!

> I know I'll be criticised for saying so, but I do prefer Neil's

REAL looking apes.

--As well you should be! I am merely an apprentice. Mr. Ploog is,
was and always will be the MASTER!! Really I'm very flattered that
you like my artwork so much but Ploog is...well...PLOOG!

> As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
> artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in saying
> "NNNOOOooooo!!!"?

--"YYYEEEsssss!!!" ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Neil, I agree with Whitty... Keep your apes looking like POTA

apes...

There's no worries on that front, my apes will always look like POTA
apes because that's how I like them!

What I did want to do was get away from so much detail and quicken
things up. If you have a look at BtB you will see how 'carried away'
I get doing the little details, I reckon I could have saved 6 months
(and a lot of lead & ink) by not drawing the rocks and desert
landscapes with so much detail in them!!

Neil

Bloody Ballard is responsible for that! ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > Neil, I agree with Whitty... Keep your apes looking like POTA
> apes...
>
> There's no worries on that front, my apes will always look like
POTA
> apes because that's how I like them!
>
> What I did want to do was get away from so much detail and quicken
> things up. If you have a look at BtB you will see how 'carried
away'
> I get doing the little details, I reckon I could have saved 6
months
> (and a lot of lead & ink) by not drawing the rocks and desert
> landscapes with so much detail in them!!
>
> Neil

Neil what I liked (and still do) about your art is the attention to detail with your art! Your art reminds so much of Darrows! Your sorta like a combo of Darrow and Ploog!

-Chris (soon to be a proud owner of one of your prints!)


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I wasn't planning on scanning the Terror 4 shot from Adventure but I
had thought about scanning the Marvel series as well as the other
features in the Marvel comics, ie; movie adaptations, etc...
My first priority is to finish getting the Adventure series scanned
and over to Greg P. to clean up first though.

Greg#2

> Greg #2 - were you planning on scanning the "Terror" series?
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Hi Mark.
>
> By the way Mark, I have heard about the Fan Produced film where

they

> find Brent's ship but I have not seen it. Is Gideon involved? ;)
>
> Michael

No Gideon was not involved. It was ages before BTB.

I think I've lost the link. It might've been on Alex's last site.

Hmm,

Mark.

Alex's last site is now on Hunter's site....

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> > Hi Mark.
> >
> > By the way Mark, I have heard about the Fan Produced film where
> they
> > find Brent's ship but I have not seen it. Is Gideon
involved? ;)
> >
> > Michael
>
> No Gideon was not involved. It was ages before BTB.
>
> I think I've lost the link. It might've been on Alex's last site.
>
> Hmm,
>
> Mark.

+++ I found it. It was called PLANET OF THE MEN and was on Alex's
Techforces site.

I only have it as a .wmv file on my PC -- and I can't burn DVDs.

Any suggestions?

Mark T-B.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Alex's last site is now on Hunter's site....
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>

wrote:

> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Hi Mark.
> > >
> > > By the way Mark, I have heard about the Fan Produced film

where

> > they
> > > find Brent's ship but I have not seen it. Is Gideon
> involved? ;)
> > >
> > > Michael
> >
> > No Gideon was not involved. It was ages before BTB.
> >
> > I think I've lost the link. It might've been on Alex's last

site.

> >
> > Hmm,
> >
> > Mark.

Say it ain't so!

Neil, after all the accolades in the POTADG regarding your art in BtB,
you are actually contemplating such drastic changes?

I'm no artist, but as a reader I have to put in my 2.5 (CDN) cents.

What has always inspired me when reading a comic story has been the
very thing you are thinking of downsizing: the details. I think of all
the artists I truely enjoy and each and everyone of them earn that
distinction because of the detail that they put in. There is nothing
more annoying than seeing a good artist produce a 'nice' rendition of
a scene but skimping out on the details. I am but one reader who
enjoys taking the time to really LOOK at the panels in a comic and SEE
what was drawn. You've mentioned your admiration for Ploog, so go back
to "Terror" and take a good look at the detail there. No skimping. I
suspect that refering back to whatever artists you are inspired by
will also be artists that pay attention to detail.

As an artist you of course have the right to do whatever you want, and
if you really do feel that your art would improve then I guess you
should do it. Maybe, the look would be different and to your liking,
and maybe others would also approve. But, if the only reason you are
going to change is to same time, then I suspect that the end results
will suffer. The way I see it, artist who take short cuts are a
dime-a-dozen. But once and artist has achieved the mastery of their
art, as you have done,... well that takes talent and talent put to
good use.

I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing what direction your future
art heads in, but I'm hoping that you don't tone down on the details.

BTW, I've been meaning to ask: Are there any other of your works that
we can see online? How about past publications? If it's advertizing
art I guess we'd be out of luck, but if it's and old comic...

Dario

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
> artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in saying
> "NNNOOOooooo!!!"?
>

Well Foster, the fans have spoken (HA HA!).

So we want all future stories with lots of sip interiors and all set
in the forbidden zone, right? ;)

Dario, the only problem is that Neil certainly DOES have to do
SOMETHING if we are to adhere to a 22 page comic per month
deadline! At the moment, we have 2 parts of BTB "up our sleeves".
Maybe we'll ahve 8 or so 22 page comiics ready when we start
printing and this won't be an issue, but at the moment to go "live",
we need to churn out around a (completed) page a day and some of
those pages in BTB took that long to PLAN!

But I sure agree that, in a perfect world, it would be GREAT to keep
the DETAIL!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Dario" <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
> Say it ain't so!
>
> Neil, after all the accolades in the POTADG regarding your art in
BtB,
> you are actually contemplating such drastic changes?
>
> I'm no artist, but as a reader I have to put in my 2.5 (CDN) cents.
>
> What has always inspired me when reading a comic story has been the
> very thing you are thinking of downsizing: the details. I think of
all
> the artists I truely enjoy and each and everyone of them earn that
> distinction because of the detail that they put in. There is
nothing
> more annoying than seeing a good artist produce a 'nice' rendition
of
> a scene but skimping out on the details. I am but one reader who
> enjoys taking the time to really LOOK at the panels in a comic and
SEE
> what was drawn. You've mentioned your admiration for Ploog, so go
back
> to "Terror" and take a good look at the detail there. No skimping.
I
> suspect that refering back to whatever artists you are inspired by
> will also be artists that pay attention to detail.
>
> As an artist you of course have the right to do whatever you want,
and
> if you really do feel that your art would improve then I guess you
> should do it. Maybe, the look would be different and to your
liking,
> and maybe others would also approve. But, if the only reason you
are
> going to change is to same time, then I suspect that the end
results
> will suffer. The way I see it, artist who take short cuts are a
> dime-a-dozen. But once and artist has achieved the mastery of their
> art, as you have done,... well that takes talent and talent put to
> good use.
>
> I'm sure we'd all be interested in seeing what direction your
future
> art heads in, but I'm hoping that you don't tone down on the
details.
>
> BTW, I've been meaning to ask: Are there any other of your works
that
> we can see online? How about past publications? If it's advertizing
> art I guess we'd be out of luck, but if it's and old comic...
>
> Dario
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
>
> > As a side issue, Neil has been telling me he wants to change his
> > artistic STYLE to something more streamlined. Am I alone in
saying
> > "NNNOOOooooo!!!"?
> >

Joe does the website from time to time but it's really George's baby. But
Joe just doesn't have the interest to do "Apesfan" since it was a team
project. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hoknes" <terryhoknes@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: APESFAN !


> do both joe and george work on the dvd drive in site ?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: veetus@...
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 1:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: APESFAN !
>
>
> Joe Lozosky told me it was George Ruiz who got discouraged after
seeing POTA2001 and dropped the ball on "Apesfan". He was more interested in
his DVD website. A pity, I guess they're sitting on enough articles and
interviews for another issue. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: potaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:41 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] RE: APESFAN !
>
>
> Hey Terry.
>
> I think Jeff K knows more about these mysterious fellas!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Whitty [Michael.Whitty@...]
> Sent: Saturday, 21 August 2004 8:31 AM
> To: whitty@...
> Subject: Fwd: APESFAN !
>
> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> whatever happenedto APESFAN
> are the editors in any of the POTA groups or online ?
>
>
> APESFAN Subscribe Search Home
>
> Web Site: None
> A fanzine for fans of the Sci-Fi classic, Planet of the Apes.
> Editors: Joe Lozowsky, George R.Reis.
> 60 B&W A4 pages.
>
>
>
>
>
> Annual 1999
> Oscar Winner Kim Hunter (Zira)
> Actress Natalie Trundy (and wife of producer Arthur P. Jacobs)
> Bobby Porter (Cornelius in Battle for POA and TV)
> Film historian Eric Greene
> Apes news and events
> A look at the new Behind the Planet of the Apes documentary
> Plus Videos, essays, behind-the-scenes profiles, and more.
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> A few days ago, Whitty was asking about the TV series date...The

year that the chronometer shows for the TV series is 3085 (and like
someone said, Burke read that year off too...) He also said "It may
be further...That's when it stopped working..." That's what I think
happened... I don't put full belief in the reliabilty of those
instruments, especially not when they could have "flipped over" like
a car's odometer... They probably flip, flip again, and get all out
of whack... That's just a theory of course... Anyway, the 3085 year
is also mentioned on the back of one of the TOPPS trading cards, and
in one of the novels, it says something like "The year 3085: Apes
reign, ignorance rules, and the only good human is a dead human"...
BUT in the book's stories, they mention being 2,000 years from now,
so who knows for sure... But 3085 is pretty much the year mentioned...
----------------------------------------------------------------

*** I'm gonna have to disagree here. [Don't take it personally,
though, Cougar, okay? ;)]

In the opening credit sequence, we see the EARTH-TIME chronometer
fast-forward from AUG 19 1980 to JUL 14 3085. The last part of
that "time-warp" slows down to a crawl right before it stops on that
last date, July 14, 3085.

The sense I get is that the time-warped EARTH-TIME dates onscreen
there represent what Virdon later says "must" have happened: they hit
a "time warp" which could've sent them 500 years into the future...
even 5000, possibly.

The EARTH-TIME clock reading they see in the ship the next morning,
when Farrow leads them to it and draws the gorilla guard away, reads
3-21-3085.

Notice the differences: the opening credits has the "month" spelled
out in a 3-letter sequence -- AUG 19 1980 and JUL 14 3085. But the
actual cockpit console display uses strictly numbers, "3-21-3085"
rather than "MAR 21 3085". The unit DISPLAYING the Earth-Time date
might be off-kilter, but the telemetry-recording device (which, I
think, is what the opening credit sequence is meant to convey)
portrays the actual dates from the beginning of the Time Warp until
the end of it.

So, does that mean that Virdon's ship landed back on Earth on July
14th, 3085? Not necessarily...

Firstly, remember that the "Emergency Homing Device" must have been
working properly, since their ship DOES manage to get back home -- to
Earth from Alpha Centauri where WHATEVER it was that sent 'em into a
time warp was.

Secondly, their ship's retro-rocket engines must also have been
working properly, since they don't smash into the ground like a
meteor. It's all "seen" offscreen, by Farrow and Arno (and Arno's
dog), and you can hear the whine of the ship's engines as it descends.

If the homing device was working, and the retro-rockets were working,
then doesn't it follow that the EARTH-TIME clocks would also -- in
all probability -- have been in working order, too?

Well, I think so.

Come to think of it, the little button in the portside wing's aft
triangular section ALSO works (and AFTER the ship lands), since the
hatch opens up when Farrow presses it.

At THIS point, the ship is still working. All that mechanical sound
that Farrow (and we, the audience) can hear when he enters the cabin
seems, to me, to be proof of this. Why would the EARTH-TIME
chronometer "stop working" (as Burke muses), yet all the other
instrumentation KEEP ON working?

Now, one MIGHT be tempted to say that, "Sure, then, they were time-
warped ahead from August 19th, 1980 all the way to July 14th, 3085...
so that the reading "3-21-3085" MUST be wrong" -- but, ahhh, here's
where my infamous "unflubbing" theory comes to the rescue!

What could possibly have caused their ship to endure a time warp that
could hurl them -- in mere SECONDS of Ship-Time -- 1,105 years into
the Future? What, in the "real" world (or, Universe) is known to be
able to "bend Time" in such a fashion?

Black Holes, that's what!

A black hole, being made of matter compressed to INFINITE density (to
a point, a "singularity"), has regions around it with such high
gravity that Time itself is bent. Gravity is a type of acceleration,
and as Einstein proved with his theories of Relativity, acceleration
causes a divergence in Time when you compare the initial "frame of
reference" and the accelerated "frame of reference". Simply put, if
you accelerate away from a state of rest, your ship's onboard clock
will tick SLOWER than one left behind. Similarly, if your ship is
subjected to humongous gravitational forces, your clock will
similarly SLOW DOWN compared to another clock which is not under the
influence of such high gravity/high gravitational acceleration.

In my scenario, Virdon's ANSA ship is equipped with a warpfield
generator, and his ship's warpfield buffers the ship (and the 3
astronauts within it) from the crushing gravitational tides of the
unseen black hole they encountered in the Alpha Centauri system. Once
their ship began experiencing "radioactive turbulence", their ship
probably went into an automatic "safety" mode and re-activated the
warpfield which got 'em there in the first place.

The only trouble, though, is that near the Event Horizon of a black
hole, the escape velocity is EQUAL to lightspeed, and the ANSA
vessels are designed to be flown at a "warp speed" that is NOT that
of light -- "c", or 299,792,458 meters per second -- but, as Taylor
says in "PLANET", "... according to Dr. Hasslein's theory of Time in
a vehicle travelling NEARLY the speed of light..."

Their ship, when at "warp", only goes to "NEARLY" the speed of
light... and they need to go FASTER than that to escape the clutches
of a black hole.

In my scenario, that's exactly what happens. Virdon has Jones
activate the "Emergency Homing Device" -- which, in my scenario, is
merely a Navigational program that tells the ship WHERE to go, and
along what specific trajectory/flightpath. But the ship merely goes
around and around and around the black hole -- in a "straight" line
curved into a circle... spiraling down... down... down... beneath the
Event Horizon and towards the Singularity...

But then Virdon increases the warpfield strength, causing it to
accelerate to higher and higher "warp factors", if you will. And,
after doing so, the ship is able to "warp" to a velocity equivalent
to much much MUCH higher speed than mere lightspeed. They accelerate
to a warp speed that must be HUNDREDS of times faster -- even
THOUSANDS of times faster than lightspeed. Because not only do they
escape the clutches of the black hole, but they zip >BANG-ZOOM< a
distance of 4.34 lightyears (over 41 trillion kilometers) in only a
few seconds of Ship-Time.

But... somehow, by going into a sort of "warp overdrive" from inside
the Event Horizon of a black hole, they ALSO went into ANOTHER type
of Time Warp -- one that sent them BACKWARDS through Earth-Time,
during those few seconds of Ship-Time. One moment it was AUGUST 19
1980 (Ship-Time) and JULY 14 3085 (Earth-Time)... and the NEXT moment
it was AUGUST 19 1980 (Ship-Time) and MARCH 21 3085 (Earth-Time).
When they zipped back the 4.34 lightyears from Alpha Centauri to
Earth, they ALSO zipped backwards through Time about 115 "retrodays".

In other words, for every lightyear they traversed in "warp
overdrive", they ALSO went back in Time (EARTH-TIME) about 26 and a
half days. Since they went back a total of 115 "retrodays", from July
14th to March 21st, then they COULD have gone even farther back in
time if they hadn't been "committed" to the trajectory that Jones had
programmed into their navigational computer when he activated the
homing device.

Similarly, when Taylor's ship left its destination 320 lightyears
away from Earth in the constellation Orion, they ALSO experienced
this backwards-through-Time phenomenon, at the SAME rate
of "retrodays" per lightyear. Taylor's ship (along with, ahem, the
ship Brent and his 'Skipper' were in, AND the ship Milo would
eventually find, ALL together with their 'mothership') was 320
lightyears away from Earth on the EARTH-TIME date 11-25-3978 -- a
date which is still registered on the EARTH-TIME chronometer in
Taylor's damaged ship (remember the cracked glass in Stewart's
hibernation chamber? SOMETHING had happened to mess up that one
ship...).

But the ACTUAL date -- in EARTH-TIME -- when Taylor landed was some
time in the year 3955. At the rate Virdon's ship went back-in-Time,
Taylor's ship would cover 320 lightyears in just over
8479 "retrodays". Divide that number by 365.25 and you get about
23.2 "retroyears". Subtract 23.2 from 3978.9 (noon of November 25th
is nine-tenths of the way through a 365-day year), and you get 3955.7
or so. That puts you smack dab into the summer of 3955. Taylor's
EARTH-TIME clock fails to adjust to this back-through-Time jump for
some reason, but all the other EARTH-TIME clocks DO adjust to it:
Brent sees it just prior to re-entry, and it is the reading on
the "date meter" (as Hasslein calls it, when he asks Zira what it
read BEFORE the bright light and the tornado-in-the-sky) just prior
to the time-travelling of the Ape-onauts.

So, then, Virdon's ship goes back-through-Time from July 14th, 3085
to March 21st, 3085 -- the last date being the day they landed near
Chalo. They see this date (3-21-3085) the NEXT day, when Farrow
leads 'em to the ship. But why is "yesterday's" date still on the
clock? Why don't I say that they must have landed on March 20th,
instead?

Because -- at the end of the episode, which takes place "a week"
after the three became fugitives, when the astronauts sprung Galen
from jail, Virdon's trying to pry open the little hatch on the
console where the precious Disc is... and the EARTH-TIME clock is
STILL reading "3-21-3085"! When Prefect Veska's gorillas smashed up
the interior of the ship, they must have broken the mechanism that
caused the clock to click ahead day after day after day... so that
the LAST date it would ever record was still "frozen" in place, so
that Virdon would see it the day AFTER they landed as well as over a
week later. When did the gorillas smash up the ship's cockpit? Farrow
leads Virdon and Burke back to the ship "in the morning" of the day
after they landed, right? And when they get to it, there's ONE
gorilla there, guarding it. He ain't smashin' anything with his rifle
butt, he's just guarding the vehicle. That means that Veska's
gorillas -- in addition to burying Jones, as he ordered -- must have
smashed up the cockpit the day before, later in the day the ship
landed: i.e. on 3-21-3085.

Now, this is just my way of thinking through the evidence. Nobody has
to agree with me if they don't want to. But I think it makes a lot of
sense.

Or is that "alot"? Naaaaa...

Patrick

P.S. Thanks, Cougar, for having sent me that "Urko wall map" pic
almost a year ago. I've put it up as the header pic on my POTA
Phenomenon group, and I wanted to thank both you and "John O." who
Kassidy says spliced the images together. Top notch! Top notch!

Are you talking about that cave city in Turkey (troglodites?). I have the
name of it somewhere. Jacobs was going to use that for the desert planet in
his production of "Dune". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:31 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: William Creber gets life


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Tell us this story Sparky!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I love his story about how he found the look for Ape City.
> > >
> > > He also did VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and was the most
> > > interesting interviewee in the BEHIND doc.
> > >
> > > Mark T-B.
>
>
> ++ It's no big secret. Watch the BEHIND doc!
>
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I don't know WHAT he's talking about!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: William Creber gets life


Are you talking about that cave city in Turkey (troglodites?). I have the
name of it somewhere. Jacobs was going to use that for the desert planet in
his production of "Dune". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 2:31 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: William Creber gets life


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Tell us this story Sparky!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > I love his story about how he found the look for Ape City.
> > >
> > > He also did VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SEA and was the most
> > > interesting interviewee in the BEHIND doc.
> > >
> > > Mark T-B.








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The disc was never officially lost. As far as I'm concerned they still had it. It's Virdon's home. Makes me feel all warm inside. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Whitty
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
happened to it?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT
> important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once and
> had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that little
> when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
> enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
> destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
> can't believe they would lose it.









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Here's a suggestion. Why not get permission from the writer who wrote "Salvage" and put that into comic form. I'm sure Neil would be interested in drawing that.

on 8/29/04 4:51 PM, Michael Whitty at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Well Foster, the fans have spoken (HA HA!).

So we want all future stories with lots of sip interiors and all set
in the forbidden zone, right? ;)

Dario, the only problem is that Neil certainly DOES have to do
SOMETHING if we are to adhere to a 22 page comic per month
deadline! At the moment, we have 2 parts of BTB "up our sleeves".
Maybe we'll ahve 8 or so 22 page comiics ready when we start
printing and this won't be an issue, but at the moment to go "live",
we need to churn out around a (completed) page a day and some of
those pages in BTB took that long to PLAN!

But I sure agree that, in a perfect world, it would be GREAT to keep
the DETAIL!

Michael

Not that anyone wants to hear MY opinion about POTA comics, but...

I think it's nice that so many of you guys have formed such strong opinions
about how you think Neil shouldn't alter his drawing style, but I think you
should also remember that he IS the guy who actually made BtB work VISUALLY
in the first place.

I know from experience from being an artist myself what he means when he
points out some of the things about his drawing style that may have slowed
him down during his first crack (presumably...) at a full scale Apes strip.
Some artists do tend to make their work a bit "busy" in the beginning,
whether they mean to or not (though I don't think that that detracted from
his work on BtB in any substantial way). I just think he knows exactly what
he's doing (he has proved that) and I think his criticism of his own work
shows that he has learned a great deal from doing BtB and now has a much
better feeling for what he did right, what he may have done wrong and want
he could improve on in future comics. That is not a bad thing, folks. It's
a very good thing!

Again, I think it's touching that you guys feel so strongly about him not
DRASTICALLY changing his style but I never got the idea from ANY of his
posts that he was DRASTICALLY changing anything. Again, I think he has
learned a great deal from his hard work on BtB and now has a much better
handle on how to "STREAMLINE" his work. That's all, I think, that he's
saying. So instead of boycotting Star Trek II (and issuing death threats to
Leonard NImoy, for God's sake!) because you heard a nasty rumor that Spock
was going to die in the upcoming movie, I think everybody should back off a
little and give him a chance to show this new style he's proposing. If BtB
(the trial run) turned out as good as it did, I'll bet that his next effort
will be even better! That is... IF... he is given the artistic freedom and
SUPPORT that he has PROVEN that he deserves.

Also remember that it is very hard to hit the ground running, no matter how
talented one may be. There is a learning curve involved for everyone,
whether we like it or not. My guess, Whitty, is that after the workout that
BtB gave Neil, that he will get quicker and even better in future efforts.
That only stands to reason and also remember that BtB itself shows how
Neil's visual style improved dramatically with each new chapter. Almost
everyone who wrote in with positive comments shared that opinion. Page one
of BtB is good, but each succeeding page after that got better and better...
until the last few pages, which were outstanding. That should tell you
something.

My humble opininon... of course.

Will


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Yeah, a belated Happy Birthday, Michael. Sorry you have to share it with Tim Burton. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:19 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday, Michael!!


Happy Birthday, Michael!

I'm assuming his day has come to an end, but today we in the US
celebrate the birth of our fearless leader -- Michael Whitty.

Many happy returns, Michael!











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Yeah, if he'd lost it I think we would have heard about it.

It's nestled snugly and safely in the bottom of that leather pouch,
waiting to be used :)

Shane

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The disc was never officially lost. As far as I'm concerned they
still had it. It's Virdon's home. Makes me feel all warm inside. - - -
Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:27 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Somebody help!
>
>
> OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
> answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
> happened to it?
>
> Michael
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT
> > important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once and
> > had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that little
> > when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
> > enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
> > destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
> > can't believe they would lose it.
>
>
>
>
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OK thanks guys - I can finally get some SLEEP now! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Johnson [thelastguardian@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Somebody help!



Yeah, if he'd lost it I think we would have heard about it.

It's nestled snugly and safely in the bottom of that leather pouch,
waiting to be used :)

Shane

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> The disc was never officially lost. As far as I'm concerned they
still had it. It's Virdon's home. Makes me feel all warm inside. - - -
Jeff







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Will,

ALWAYS good to hear your opinion and I know what you are saying!

Neil sometimes teases me by saying he did the last chapter in ANIME style or
in the square jawed BATMAN - THE ANIMATED SERIES style, but I think he is
just kidding and you're right it is not the brilliant APES he's going to
start making look like human skulls (as per many ADVENTURE comics), it is
the less important stuff (maybe more shading in the background etc).

But artistic freedom - NEVER! Neil needs to be DOMINATED! Now Neil, I know
you're angry after reading all this so GET DOWNSTAIRS AND DRAW!

That's how you get results in BTB, NOT making tea and being nice.

NEIL, I CAN STILL HEAR YOU READING!

That's better. ;)

Oh, by the way.....you should see the 7 new pages!

We have didvided BTB into 2 parts.

Part 1 is the same except for a new "splash" page and the last page in that
part is the discovery of Brent's ship - that was totally unintended but WHAT
A PLACE TO LEAVE THE AUDIENCE!

There is also a "splash" page for Part 2 but there are also 5 BRAND NEW
PAGES and - you guessed it - they are more of THE BEST YET!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Comics - Have Faith


on 8/29/04 4:51 PM, Michael Whitty at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Well Foster, the fans have spoken (HA HA!).

So we want all future stories with lots of sip interiors and all set
in the forbidden zone, right? ;)

Dario, the only problem is that Neil certainly DOES have to do
SOMETHING if we are to adhere to a 22 page comic per month
deadline! At the moment, we have 2 parts of BTB "up our sleeves".
Maybe we'll ahve 8 or so 22 page comiics ready when we start
printing and this won't be an issue, but at the moment to go "live",
we need to churn out around a (completed) page a day and some of
those pages in BTB took that long to PLAN!

But I sure agree that, in a perfect world, it would be GREAT to keep
the DETAIL!

Michael

Not that anyone wants to hear MY opinion about POTA comics, but...

I think it's nice that so many of you guys have formed such strong opinions
about how you think Neil shouldn't alter his drawing style, but I think you
should also remember that he IS the guy who actually made BtB work VISUALLY
in the first place.

I know from experience from being an artist myself what he means when he
points out some of the things about his drawing style that may have slowed
him down during his first crack (presumably...) at a full scale Apes strip.
Some artists do tend to make their work a bit "busy" in the beginning,
whether they mean to or not (though I don't think that that detracted from
his work on BtB in any substantial way). I just think he knows exactly what
he's doing (he has proved that) and I think his criticism of his own work
shows that he has learned a great deal from doing BtB and now has a much
better feeling for what he did right, what he may have done wrong and want
he could improve on in future comics. That is not a bad thing, folks. It's
a very good thing!

Again, I think it's touching that you guys feel so strongly about him not
DRASTICALLY changing his style but I never got the idea from ANY of his
posts that he was DRASTICALLY changing anything. Again, I think he has
learned a great deal from his hard work on BtB and now has a much better
handle on how to "STREAMLINE" his work. That's all, I think, that he's
saying. So instead of boycotting Star Trek II (and issuing death threats to
Leonard NImoy, for God's sake!) because you heard a nasty rumor that Spock
was going to die in the upcoming movie, I think everybody should back off a
little and give him a chance to show this new style he's proposing. If BtB
(the trial run) turned out as good as it did, I'll bet that his next effort
will be even better! That is... IF... he is given the artistic freedom and
SUPPORT that he has PROVEN that he deserves.

Also remember that it is very hard to hit the ground running, no matter how
talented one may be. There is a learning curve involved for everyone,
whether we like it or not. My guess, Whitty, is that after the workout that
BtB gave Neil, that he will get quicker and even better in future efforts.
That only stands to reason and also remember that BtB itself shows how
Neil's visual style improved dramatically with each new chapter. Almost
everyone who wrote in with positive comments shared that opinion. Page one
of BtB is good, but each succeeding page after that got better and better...
until the last few pages, which were outstanding. That should tell you
something.

My humble opininon... of course.

Will


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At the risk of taking things at face value, I think the date we saw
during the opening credits was the one the producers wanted to use as
the setting for their series.

Clearly, since the pilot was filmed during the summer of 1974, we see
a hot summer sun in the sky and summer foliage everywhere. Hence, a
summer setting -- hence the July date.

The fact that the on-board readout showed a slightly earlier date was
accounted for by Burke's "if that's when it stopped working" line.

Shane

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> A few days ago, Whitty was asking about the TV series date...The
year that
> the
> chronometer shows for the TV series is 3085 (and like someone said,
Burke
> read that
> year off too...) He also said "It may be further...That's when it
stopped
> working..." That's what I think happened... I don't put full belief
in the
> reliabilty of those instruments, especially not when they could have
"flipped
> over" like a car's odometer... They probably flip, flip again, and
get all
> out of whack... That's just a theory of course... Anyway, the 3085
year is also
> mentioned on the back of one of the TOPPS trading cards, and in one
> of the novels, it says something like "The year 3085: Apes reign,
ignorance
> rules, and the only good human is a dead human"... BUT in the
book's stories,
> they mention being 2,000 years from now, so who knows for sure...
> But 3085 is pretty much the year mentioned...
>
>
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That makes sense.

Again, isn't it wonderful to get so many different views?

I asked my wife recently about the chronometer and she just looked at me and
said "get a life!".

I jested "I had one darling, but you took it away"! She asked "What did you
just mumble?" and I replied "Nothing, dear!". ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Johnson [thelastguardian@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 3:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The year of the TV series




At the risk of taking things at face value, I think the date we saw
during the opening credits was the one the producers wanted to use as
the setting for their series.

Clearly, since the pilot was filmed during the summer of 1974, we see
a hot summer sun in the sky and summer foliage everywhere. Hence, a
summer setting -- hence the July date.

The fact that the on-board readout showed a slightly earlier date was
accounted for by Burke's "if that's when it stopped working" line.

Shane







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John

Was it you who pieced together the map in Urko's office?

Michael






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on 8/30/04 12:37 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Will,

ALWAYS good to hear your opinion and I know what you are saying!

Neil sometimes teases me by saying he did the last chapter in ANIME style or
in the square jawed BATMAN - THE ANIMATED SERIES style, but I think he is
just kidding and you're right it is not the brilliant APES he's going to
start making look like human skulls (as per many ADVENTURE comics), it is
the less important stuff (maybe more shading in the background etc).

But artistic freedom - NEVER! Neil needs to be DOMINATED! Now Neil, I know
you're angry after reading all this so GET DOWNSTAIRS AND DRAW!

That's how you get results in BTB, NOT making tea and being nice.

NEIL, I CAN STILL HEAR YOU READING!

That's better. ;)

Oh, by the way.....you should see the 7 new pages!

We have didvided BTB into 2 parts.

Part 1 is the same except for a new "splash" page and the last page in that
part is the discovery of Brent's ship - that was totally unintended but WHAT
A PLACE TO LEAVE THE AUDIENCE!

There is also a "splash" page for Part 2 but there are also 5 BRAND NEW
PAGES and - you guessed it - they are more of THE BEST YET!

Michael

Mike:

I also know from artistic experience that artists sometimes need to be
"pushed" a little here and there... but hey... go easy on the guy, will ya?

Kidding!

You're the best, Whitty! You're the one who got the ball rolling on BtB in
the first place, aren't you? Sort of like Arthur P. Jacobs. Nose to the
grindstone and ALWAYS unflinching in your indominable VISION. Keep on
keep'n on, mate.

Will

P.S.- Of course... neither of you could have done it without Dave B.'s
marvelous story....


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Yeah, "Ape Has Killed Ape" is a band created by "Apes" fan and musician
Matt Stein (we met Jerry Goldsmith together). They did some shows and Bill
Blake and Natalie Trundy joined them on stage. There's some pics at Kass'
site. The music's pretty off-the-wall and he uses the Brazilian cuica that
Goldsmith used for weird sounds in POTA. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Lawless" <lawford42@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 9:17 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Ape Has Killed Ape- The CDs


> Did anyone know about this?
>
> http://www.djangomusic.com/artist_music.asp?pid=P+++441796&afid=WES002152
> 1026
>
>
> Chris L.
>
>

how about some discussion about the movies?


-------Original Message-------

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 00:57:19
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Somebody help!

The disc was never officially lost. As far as I'm concerned they still had
it. It's Virdon's home. Makes me feel all warm inside. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Whitty
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


OK - I keep asking the same question and I don't think it has been
answered.....WHERE IS THE DISC? What's the LAST thing that has
happened to it?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...>
wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >> About the disc [short version]... If you have something THAT
> important you just keep track of it. Period. They lost it once and
> had to go get it. It's too valuable. Hiding something that little
> when you first sense danger and going to retrieve it later is easy
> enough. It didn't just "get lost." Unless it was confiscated and
> destroyed by the Apes, it exists and Virdon knows where it is. I
> can't believe they would lose it.









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They also have a song about Jimmy Stewart, which was cool too, since Natalie Trundy played his daughter in "Mr. Hobbs Takes A Vacation". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Will Hoover
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ape Has Killed Ape- The CDs


on 8/25/04 11:17 PM, Chris Lawless at lawford42@... wrote:

Did anyone know about this?

http://www.djangomusic.com/artist_music.asp?pid=P+++441796&afid=WES002152
1026


Chris L.

Fascinating... absolutely fascinating. The description even says that "They
perform in a wild frenzy, often including people in ape garb from the old
movie series on-stage with them." My favorite titles from some of their
songs are "Ursus' Helmet," "We Want Guns" and "Kung Fu Grip." Being a G.I.
Joe collector as well as an Apes fan, I can really relate to the last one.

Will


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In a message dated 8/30/2004 12:58:48 AM Central Standard Time,
kimmmie@... writes:

how about some discussion about the movies?


From the potaDG homepage:

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comics, toys and collectibles.


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In a message dated 8/30/2004 1:06:09 AM Central Standard Time,
thelastguardian@... writes:

Yeah, if he'd lost it I think we would have heard about it.

It's nestled snugly and safely in the bottom of that leather pouch,
waiting to be used :)



I doubt that we would have "heard about it"... After all, there was no real
continuity in the live action series, which is/was too bad... (RETURN, with
all it's faults, had real continuity... Too bad the live show didn't...) We
heard nothing about what happened in previous episodes from week to week, or
events of earlier episodes weren't brought up in later ones (with the exception
of "The Gladiators" and "The Horse-Race.) They went into immediate
production, so I'm guessing they didn't have a real "writer's guide" to work from, and
that the scripts were just used as they were made available. So hearing about
anything is highly doubtful...

Anyway, it probably would have shown up in later shows, as a plot device.
But, since there were no "later episodes" after the 14, you'd have to guess that
unless Burke/Galen were holding it at the time of "The Legacy", it's gone...
They stripped Virdon of all his possessions when he was captured, and you'd
have to guess that the disc was among them... (Unless you want to get your
imaginations going and pretending it fell out of his pocket when he
tripped/twisted his ankle, or when he was being dragged along on the way to the castle.
If it fell out of his pocket, you could think that Galen/Burke picked it up
if they followed his path while searching for him.)



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Just because the apes have photography doesn't mean photos will be
everywhere. It's probably still a rare thing. It's used for important
things, like recording the hunt, not for everyday things like the apes'
walls. But Zira and Cornelius are special, so they get one in
"Beneath". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:19 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA QUESTIONS


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Hoknes" <hoknes@h...> wrote:
> > how come in the first movie the gorillas know how to use
> photography?
> >
> > are there any known photos posted of famous apes anywhere the
> lawgiver, high council members
> >
> > isnt that ironic??
> >
> +++ Dramatic license. It's funny.
>
> Again, blame Serling, Wilson and Schaffner.
>
> Mark T-B.
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OK - now this is WHY I have been asking.

My memory is that the LAST we heard of the disc it was MISSING (or at LEAST
assumed to be missing). So I was looking forward to a future episode where
they try to RECOVER the disc.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc



Anyway, it probably would have shown up in later shows, as a plot device.
But, since there were no "later episodes" after the 14, you'd have to guess
that
unless Burke/Galen were holding it at the time of "The Legacy", it's gone...

They stripped Virdon of all his possessions when he was captured, and you'd
have to guess that the disc was among them... (Unless you want to get your

imaginations going and pretending it fell out of his pocket when he
tripped/twisted his ankle, or when he was being dragged along on the way to
the castle.
If it fell out of his pocket, you could think that Galen/Burke picked it up

if they followed his path while searching for him.)







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Virdon is wearing the same clothes he always does (I think?) after he is
"searched". They found the picture but they may not be that great at
searching. Or maybe they found the disc but didn't think it was important
and left it. Or maybe Virdon lost the disc before that. But "The Legacy"
doesn't show them saying, "A disc! We found a disc!". So we have to assume
they missed it. Especially considering the weight the disc played in
previous episodes. Yeah, the writers made mistakes but we're free to fill in
the blanks. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <mlccougar@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:18 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc


>
>
> In a message dated 8/30/2004 1:06:09 AM Central Standard Time,
> thelastguardian@... writes:
>
> Yeah, if he'd lost it I think we would have heard about it.
>
> It's nestled snugly and safely in the bottom of that leather pouch,
> waiting to be used :)
>
>
>
> I doubt that we would have "heard about it"... After all, there was no
real
> continuity in the live action series, which is/was too bad... (RETURN,
with
> all it's faults, had real continuity... Too bad the live show didn't...)
We
> heard nothing about what happened in previous episodes from week to week,
or
> events of earlier episodes weren't brought up in later ones (with the
exception
> of "The Gladiators" and "The Horse-Race.) They went into immediate
> production, so I'm guessing they didn't have a real "writer's guide" to
work from, and
> that the scripts were just used as they were made available. So hearing
about
> anything is highly doubtful...
>
> Anyway, it probably would have shown up in later shows, as a plot device.
> But, since there were no "later episodes" after the 14, you'd have to
guess that
> unless Burke/Galen were holding it at the time of "The Legacy", it's
gone...
> They stripped Virdon of all his possessions when he was captured, and
you'd
> have to guess that the disc was among them... (Unless you want to get
your
> imaginations going and pretending it fell out of his pocket when he
> tripped/twisted his ankle, or when he was being dragged along on the way
to the castle.
> If it fell out of his pocket, you could think that Galen/Burke picked it
up
> if they followed his path while searching for him.)
>
>
>
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I think it is also reasonable to say Virdon may have found a terrific hiding
place (not in any bodily orrifices!) for it!

What, then, is the last MENTION of the disc? Wasn't it LOST in a scuffle?
Was it ever MENTIONED to have been recovered. What is the last MENTION of
it?

Michael

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From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:38 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc


Virdon is wearing the same clothes he always does (I think?) after he is
"searched". They found the picture but they may not be that great at
searching. Or maybe they found the disc but didn't think it was important
and left it. Or maybe Virdon lost the disc before that. But "The Legacy"
doesn't show them saying, "A disc! We found a disc!". So we have to assume
they missed it. Especially considering the weight the disc played in
previous episodes. Yeah, the writers made mistakes but we're free to fill in
the blanks. - - - Jeff







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Sure thing Kimmie.

What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST movie is,
just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?

Michael

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From: Kimmie [kimmmie@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


how about some discussion about the movies?








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on 8/30/04 1:38 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Virdon is wearing the same clothes he always does (I think?) after he is
"searched". They found the picture but they may not be that great at
searching. Or maybe they found the disc but didn't think it was important
and left it. Or maybe Virdon lost the disc before that. But "The Legacy"
doesn't show them saying, "A disc! We found a disc!". So we have to assume
they missed it. Especially considering the weight the disc played in
previous episodes. Yeah, the writers made mistakes but we're free to fill in
the blanks. - - - Jeff

I gotta say... I've been following this thread with some interest, but the
VERY strong differences of opinion that have resulted from this topic are
incredible given the fact that it's fairly obvious that the writers of the
various Apes episodes didn't even compare notes or try too hard for much
story continuity.

However... this last opinion of Jeff's is the best I've heard so far. So,
if you're a proponent of the idea that the disc was too important to Virdon
to entrust to Galen's care, then it makes absolutely perfect sense that the
gorillas didn't give Virdon a "body cavity search" when they captured him.
And besides... that's a disgusting thought anyway....

Will


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You're giving the writers too much credit. The last we heard was all's well that ends well with the disc. - - - Jeff

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From: Whitty, Michael
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:33 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc


OK - now this is WHY I have been asking.

My memory is that the LAST we heard of the disc it was MISSING (or at LEAST
assumed to be missing). So I was looking forward to a future episode where
they try to RECOVER the disc.

Michael

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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc



Anyway, it probably would have shown up in later shows, as a plot device.
But, since there were no "later episodes" after the 14, you'd have to guess
that
unless Burke/Galen were holding it at the time of "The Legacy", it's gone...

They stripped Virdon of all his possessions when he was captured, and you'd
have to guess that the disc was among them... (Unless you want to get your

imaginations going and pretending it fell out of his pocket when he
tripped/twisted his ankle, or when he was being dragged along on the way to
the castle.
If it fell out of his pocket, you could think that Galen/Burke picked it up

if they followed his path while searching for him.)







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The only big mention was in "The Gladiators". There was a scuffle in that.
But they got it back at the end (given to them by Marc "V"/ "Beastmaster"
Singer). How come no one ever calls me "Beastmaster". Or even just
"Master"? - - - Jeff

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From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] OH HELP ME PLEEEEASE!!!!


> I think it is also reasonable to say Virdon may have found a terrific
hiding
> place (not in any bodily orrifices!) for it!
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> What, then, is the last MENTION of the disc? Wasn't it LOST in a scuffle?
> Was it ever MENTIONED to have been recovered. What is the last MENTION of
> it?
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> searching. Or maybe they found the disc but didn't think it was important
> and left it. Or maybe Virdon lost the disc before that. But "The Legacy"
> doesn't show them saying, "A disc! We found a disc!". So we have to assume
> they missed it. Especially considering the weight the disc played in
> previous episodes. Yeah, the writers made mistakes but we're free to fill
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Do you recall at which point of what episode Jeff?

Michael

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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc


You're giving the writers too much credit. The last we heard was all's
well that ends well with the disc. - - - Jeff







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Neil,

Please refrain from illustrating this one! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc


However... this last opinion of Jeff's is the best I've heard so far. So,
if you're a proponent of the idea that the disc was too important to Virdon
to entrust to Galen's care, then it makes absolutely perfect sense that the
gorillas didn't give Virdon a "body cavity search" when they captured him.
And besides... that's a disgusting thought anyway....

Will







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Speaking of movies, I think it was here I mentioned I saw Terry Gilliam's
new movie "The Bros. Grimm"? It was supposed to come out in November, but
now I hear (giggle! snicker!) it's being pushed back until next year. Terry
Gilliam, we hardly knew ye. - - - Jeff

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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:37 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Movies


> Sure thing Kimmie.
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> What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST movie is,
> just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?
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> Michael
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OK - and aftyer Gladiator it is never MENTIONED again?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:55 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OH HELP ME PLEEEEASE!!!!


The only big mention was in "The Gladiators". There was a scuffle in that.
But they got it back at the end (given to them by Marc "V"/ "Beastmaster"
Singer). How come no one ever calls me "Beastmaster". Or even just
"Master"? - - - Jeff







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You're banned Veetus! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Movies


Speaking of movies, I think it was here I mentioned I saw Terry Gilliam's
new movie "The Bros. Grimm"? It was supposed to come out in November, but
now I hear (giggle! snicker!) it's being pushed back until next year. Terry
Gilliam, we hardly knew ye. - - - Jeff








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on 8/30/04 1:52 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

OK - and aftyer Gladiator it is never MENTIONED again?

Michael

Oh come on! We're talking about a show that was canceled after only 14
episodes! If it had lasted, the disc might have been a major part of the
plot of a cliffhanger season ending. That would have been cool anyway! I'd
much rather see more episodes of the continuing saga of Virdon, Burke and
Galen than a final wrap up of the story.

Will


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I don't remember. All I know is they never ended an episode with the disc
missing. Every episode was tied up with a bow. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 11:52 PM
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Well, POTA comics have always been in black & white, whether it was
Marvel in the '70's or Adventure in the '90's. The "Adventures on the POTA"
reprints were "colorized", and of course the POTA2001 comics were in color
(not that that helped sales). I prefer b & w too. The comic book market is
geared to color now, just as movies are. Phooey! - - - Jeff

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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 4:25 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] B&W or Colour?


> I can see the benefit of having BOTH!
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> If I end up buying the license and printing this myself it WILL be in B&W.
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> If a major comic publisher takes it on, they will likely COLOUR it - it is
> hard to FIND a B&W comic nowdays!
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> thing?
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> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Beast in living colour!
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> the computer? watercolor or airbrush?? It looks great!
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> thelastguardian@c... writes:
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> Yeah, if he'd lost it I think we would have heard about it.
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> It's nestled snugly and safely in the bottom of that leather pouch,
> waiting to be used :)
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> I doubt that we would have "heard about it"...

I think we would have. Nothing happens in a series that the writers
don't want to happen, and vice versa. Had they wanted the disc to be
confiscated in a body search or lost in some other fashion, the
audience would have been told as much.

Writers seldom give up a ready plot device without a dramatic payoff,
especially one that had proven so valuable early on. And to suddenly
in a later episode have the characters attempt to recover a disc we
were never told was missing in the first place would have been very,
very bad storytelling indeed.

Hence, they still had the disc at the end of the last filmed episode.
Whether Virdon or Burke or Galen was in possession of it, or whether
it was safely buried in a hole somewhere, or whatever, is irrelevant.

Just my opinion, speaking as a writer.

Shane

and I ask again,
how about discussion of the movies?

-------Original Message-------

From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 02:02:01
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


In a message dated 8/30/2004 12:58:48 AM Central Standard Time,
kimmmie@... writes:

how about some discussion about the movies?


From the potaDG homepage:

This group is to discuss all aspects of Planet of the Apes. From the
original novel, classic films, TV and cartoon series' to the 2001 remake as
well as
comics, toys and collectibles.


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Instead of keep asking 'how about discussion of the movies?',why not start a discussion yourself ?

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


and I ask again,
how about discussion of the movies?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 02:02:01
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Somebody help!


In a message dated 8/30/2004 12:58:48 AM Central Standard Time,
kimmmie@... writes:

how about some discussion about the movies?


From the potaDG homepage:

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The original is the best, of course. And it happens to be the one I like
the best. The remake is the WORST.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 02:37:43
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [PotaDG] Movies

Sure thing Kimmie.

What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST movie is,
just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:58 PM
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how about some discussion about the movies?








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I agree with you there, Kimmie! A couple of POTA Polls were run a
while back about our favorites. You can check those responses out in
the Polls section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/polls

Does anyone here know where the inspiration came from to have the
Apes dressed in color-coded costumes? That is such a huge part of
the POTA feel. It would be interesting to know where the idea came
from -- and why. Maybe Joe Russo talks about it in his book, but I
don't remember reading about it.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> The original is the best, of course. And it happens to be the one
I like
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> Date: 08/30/04 02:37:43
> To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [PotaDG] Movies
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> Sure thing Kimmie.
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> What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST
movie is,
> just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?
>
> Michael
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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Star Trek also had color coded uniforms.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 08:00:02
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Movies

I agree with you there, Kimmie! A couple of POTA Polls were run a
while back about our favorites. You can check those responses out in
the Polls section: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/polls

Does anyone here know where the inspiration came from to have the
Apes dressed in color-coded costumes? That is such a huge part of
the POTA feel. It would be interesting to know where the idea came
from -- and why. Maybe Joe Russo talks about it in his book, but I
don't remember reading about it.

--Helen

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> The original is the best, of course. And it happens to be the one
I like
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> What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST
movie is,
> just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?
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> Michael
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In a message dated 8/30/2004 1:52:50 AM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> Do you recall at which point of what episode Jeff?

The Gladiators...


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That's true, but those uniforms sort of defined rank (and who would
die during the episode). In POTA, the Apes already (I assume) knew
what species they were, and the uniforms were definitely color-coded
according to species. The glyphs (maybe) defined rank.

It just seems like a funny decision to make concerning costumes.
But, it was definitely a good decision, because it is such a major
POTA identifier.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> Star Trek also had color coded uniforms.
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Don't you "Oh come on!" me Hoover! Anybody ever tell you that you
suck? ;)

Oh great, now I'm open to Will finding clever things to say about MY
surname! ;)

Just kidding pal. And to prove it you WILL see more TV Show
stories - but in COMIC form. I just really want to know where the
dics was at because it WILL appear!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> on 8/30/04 1:52 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@d... wrote:
>
> OK - and after Gladiator it is never MENTIONED again?
>
> Michael
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> Oh come on! We're talking about a show that was canceled after
only 14 episodes! If it had lasted, the disc might have been a
major part of the plot of a cliffhanger season ending. That would
have been cool anyway! I'd much rather see more episodes of the
continuing saga of Virdon, Burke and Galen than a final wrap up of
the story.
>
> Will

OK, well that's what I really want to know...thanks Jeff.

Michael xoxox

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I don't remember. All I know is they never ended an episode
with the disc
> missing. Every episode was tied up with a bow. - - - Jeff

Well, you have entered with a great deal of credibility here then!

I think that is the overall sentimant of MOST in this group, but it
does CHANGE and I often think I enjoy the messy Beneath more than
Planet, while I realise Planet is better.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> The original is the best, of course. And it happens to be the one
I like
> the best. The remake is the WORST.
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> Date: 08/30/04 02:37:43
> To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [PotaDG] Movies
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> Sure thing Kimmie.
>
> What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST
movie is,
> just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?
>
> Michael

I do NOT enjoy ANYTHING more than the ORIGINAL...what would make you like
Beneath better? Just curious? There's nothing like....that grand moment...
..at the end of the original...it lives on and on!





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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Date: 08/30/04 09:27:21
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Movies

Well, you have entered with a great deal of credibility here then!

I think that is the overall sentimant of MOST in this group, but it
does CHANGE and I often think I enjoy the messy Beneath more than
Planet, while I realise Planet is better.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> The original is the best, of course. And it happens to be the one
I like
> the best. The remake is the WORST.
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> Date: 08/30/04 02:37:43
> To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [PotaDG] Movies
>
> Sure thing Kimmie.
>
> What is YOUR favourite of the movies (not asking what the BEST
movie is,
> just which one you LIKE the MOST!)?
>
> Michael










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Something I never thought of Helen!

But a very interesting and valid point.

Oh, and by the way, Jeff said some very noce things about you on
Patrick's group!

Michael xoxoxo

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> I agree with you there, Kimmie! A couple of POTA Polls were run a
> while back about our favorites. You can check those responses out

in

> the Polls section:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/polls

>
> Does anyone here know where the inspiration came from to have the
> Apes dressed in color-coded costumes? That is such a huge part of
> the POTA feel. It would be interesting to know where the idea

came

> from -- and why. Maybe Joe Russo talks about it in his book, but

I

> don't remember reading about it.
>
> --Helen

Whrn I saw Planet, I had seen many of the other movies (and read
their comics) already. The impact of the statue of liberty was
ABSOLUTELY lost on me.

I recall turning to my dad and asking "What's he going on about" and
dad said "He just realised it is earth". I really thought he knew!

I likes the MUTANTS in Beneath, and URSUS' armour. And the spa
scene..I mean...is this microphone ON? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> I do NOT enjoy ANYTHING more than the ORIGINAL...what would make
you like
> Beneath better? Just curious? There's nothing like....that grand
moment...
> ..at the end of the original...it lives on and on!

Will - you are a bloody good judge of character mate!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> on 8/30/04 12:37 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@d... wrote:

> You're the best, Whitty!

Yup, I got the ball rolling. But MAN I was lucky!

To get a team like Neil and Dave is a godsend.

That is a really nice comparison to Arthur and yes, I just hope I AM
as successful as he was and that I somehow help to bring a
resurgence of Classic POTA merchandise to the deserving fans...if
anything that is what I live for (well, that and my kids...and
wife...and mortgage, but in my current mid life crisis moreso POTA!).

Thanks for the encouragement Will.

Oh - and when are you going to show us your talents and have a crack
at the comic test page? Eh???!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
You're the one who got the ball rolling on BtB in
> the first place, aren't you? Sort of like Arthur P. Jacobs. Nose
to the
> grindstone and ALWAYS unflinching in your indominable VISION.
Keep on
> keep'n on, mate.
>
> Will
>
> P.S.- Of course... neither of you could have done it without Dave
B.'s
> marvelous story....
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Did you like the 35th Anniversary DVD of Planet?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Kimmie" <kimmmie@c...> wrote:
> I do NOT enjoy ANYTHING more than the ORIGINAL...what would make
you like
> Beneath better? Just curious? There's nothing like....that grand
moment...
> ..at the end of the original...it lives on and on!

two new freinds came over yesterday and we discovered that they are big pota fans.

specifically they were thrilled to see my power records and they started reciting lines from the power records.

(apparently they wore out the records when they were little kids)

it was very very funny.



go vegetarian!


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ironic that we see gorillas using this technology

veetus@... wrote: Just because the apes have photography doesn't mean photos will be
everywhere. It's probably still a rare thing. It's used for important
things, like recording the hunt, not for everyday things like the apes'
walls. But Zira and Cornelius are special, so they get one in
"Beneath". - - - Jeff







go vegetarian!


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John, if you REALLY were a dedicated fan you would've named your son "Nova" after your favorite POTA human. You're not a real fan. NEXT! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: branchbrood
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:08 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] HEY THANKS.....


I ASSURE YOU I'AM But A MAN! lol I'm here As myself I just love the
Apes Films ESPECIALLY "Beneath"! lol Ursus is my Favorite Ape! Nova
my Fave Human (For Obvious Reasons lol) as I said I actually Named my
Son "Taylor" I get a Kick oughta explained how my boys named was
derived from a guy in my Fave Film of all Time! lol But seriously I
Was Only inquiring if anyboy had Some of these Figures for sale
THANKS FOR THE INFO and I think I'm gonna like it here!
JOHN/LONFAN











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Now RobRon,

Tell me you recruited them as new on-line chatters and you showed them
"Beware the Beast"!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ron kenner[SMTP:BRINDLEPIT2002@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 12:59:42 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: power records
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

two new freinds came over yesterday and we discovered that they are big
pota
fans.

specifically they were thrilled to see my power records and they started
reciting lines from the power records.

(apparently they wore out the records when they were little kids)

it was very very funny.



go vegetarian!

Thank for pointing that out Jeff!

Is there a group out there for not quite REAL POTA fans? ;)

Michael (renaming his 4 daughters as we speak!).

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> John, if you REALLY were a dedicated fan you would've named your
son "Nova" after your favorite POTA human. You're not a real fan.
NEXT! - - - Jeff
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: branchbrood
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 11:08 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] HEY THANKS.....
>
>
> I ASSURE YOU I'AM But A MAN! lol I'm here As myself I just love
the
> Apes Films ESPECIALLY "Beneath"! lol Ursus is my Favorite Ape!
Nova
> my Fave Human (For Obvious Reasons lol) as I said I actually
Named my
> Son "Taylor" I get a Kick oughta explained how my boys named was
> derived from a guy in my Fave Film of all Time! lol But
seriously I
> Was Only inquiring if anyboy had Some of these Figures for sale
> THANKS FOR THE INFO and I think I'm gonna like it here!
> JOHN/LONFAN

The disk was not touched upon subsequent to THE GLADIATORS.

It was a lost story concept after this episode.

Whittster -- how come you don't know this?

... nor the thing about Bill Creber's Ape City design...

Don't you WATCH your DVDs? Are you really a fan or just a spy
amongst us?

C'mon everyone -- let's test Whitty's trivia knowledge and see if he
makes the grade. ;)

Mark T-B.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Do you recall at which point of what episode Jeff?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Disc
>
>
> You're giving the writers too much credit. The last we heard

was all's

> well that ends well with the disc. - - - Jeff

>From: < veetus@...>
>John, if you REALLY were a dedicated fan you would've named your son
>"Nova" after your favorite POTA human. You're not a real fan. NEXT! - - - Jeff

Hmmm... naming your son after a woman you'd like to... ahem... well, you
get my drift... might result in some psychological issues down the line,
don't you think?

as a teenager I liked beneath way better and it was my favorite movie ever made
but now i'm back to loving the original the best
the mood and soundtrack is just so timely!



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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Does anyone here know where the inspiration came from to have the
> Apes dressed in color-coded costumes? That is such a huge part of
> the POTA feel. It would be interesting to know where the idea

came

> from -- and why. Maybe Joe Russo talks about it in his book, but

I

> don't remember reading about it.
>
> --Helen

Again,

The BEHIND doc answers alot of these questions.

Mark T-B. xx

Also guys,

Can the POTA DG please remind everyone to please trim your posts
otherwise, with our level of traffic, we're gonna fill up our
alloted space in no time.

No space -- no DG.

Try and keep it to your currently-written post and the one you are
immediately replying to. Trim off any additionals and all that
legal/copyright fluff below.

Cheers.

MT-B. (Moderator)

i was very small/non existent in the late 60s/early 70s, but have been under impression that those colors were fairly poular back then.
of course, i am only speaking for oosa.
rob/ron

sparkytb2005 <sparkytb@...> wrote:
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Does anyone here know where the inspiration came from to have the
> Apes dressed in color-coded costumes? That is such a huge part of
> the POTA feel. It would be interesting to know where the idea

came

> from -- and why. Maybe Joe Russo talks about it in his book, but

I

> don't remember reading about it.
>
> --Helen

go vegetarian!


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