on 9/6/04 1:20 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

OK Will, but SOMEONE has to be gay otherwise WHERE DID THE DOGTAGS COME
FROM!?!?!?? ;)

Michael

Oh Lord! You've got to explain that one to me.... Let's see... being in
posession of dogtags equals homosexuality on someone's part?!?!? Huh...?
Is this a sick joke about where Taylor must have kept his dogtags while he
was in confinement? :)

I personally don't think Taylor had the dogtags during the time he was caged
by the apes. I think he and Nova managed to make it back to the place where
he and the other astronauts originally lost their clothes and supplies for a
brief time (where he managed to recover the dogtags) before heading back
into the Forbidden Zone. It's just as good an explantation as anything else
and it does NOT imply that just because a person is gay, he or she likes to
put things where the sun doesn't shine all the time....

Will


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on 9/6/04 1:29 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Perhaps, but a guy can still look. Brent shows no interest in her. The
only person he's happy to see is Taylor. He could've at least hit on Natalie
Trundy. - - - Jeff

Oh, come on! Give Brent a little credit, will ya? Just because he's not
salivating and grabbing her private parts in a crude, uncouth manner in
every other scene doesn't mean that he isn't attracted to the girl! Brent's
a grown man, not a hormone ravaged teenager! In fact, he bravely risks the
wrath of the mutant's mental torture to try to protect her from harm and
immediately after the scene in which he is forced to kiss her, he displays
genuine tenderness and affection for her.

Brent is not gay, I tell you! BRENT IS NOT GAY!!! He simply IS NOT a
sleazebag and Beneath wasn't a James Bond movie or a porno flick. Having a
scene in which Brent hits on Nova wouldn't have moved the story along in any
significant way so there was no need for it.

Will


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Yup.

There's been alot of talk about where you put discs and dogtags....I'm just
waiting for someome to chime in with where Milo go Taylor's ship from....bit
of a stretch..... ;)

Michael

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on 9/6/04 1:20 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

OK Will, but SOMEONE has to be gay otherwise WHERE DID THE DOGTAGS COME
FROM!?!?!?? ;)

Michael

Oh Lord! You've got to explain that one to me.... Let's see... being in
posession of dogtags equals homosexuality on someone's part?!?!? Huh...?
Is this a sick joke about where Taylor must have kept his dogtags while he
was in confinement? :)







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"You're no fun any more".

- Monty Python

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did they come from?


I personally don't think Taylor had the dogtags during the time he was caged
by the apes. I think he and Nova managed to make it back to the place where
he and the other astronauts originally lost their clothes and supplies for a
brief time (where he managed to recover the dogtags) before heading back
into the Forbidden Zone. It's just as good an explantation as anything else
and it does NOT imply that just because a person is gay, he or she likes to
put things where the sun doesn't shine all the time....

Will







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Hey Jeff, you said you wouldn't open this can of worms you naughty boy!

Don't take him seriously Will!

Michael

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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on 9/6/04 1:29 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Perhaps, but a guy can still look. Brent shows no interest in her. The
only person he's happy to see is Taylor. He could've at least hit on Natalie
Trundy. - - - Jeff

Oh, come on! Give Brent a little credit, will ya? Just because he's not
salivating and grabbing her private parts in a crude, uncouth manner in
every other scene doesn't mean that he isn't attracted to the girl! Brent's
a grown man, not a hormone ravaged teenager! In fact, he bravely risks the
wrath of the mutant's mental torture to try to protect her from harm and
immediately after the scene in which he is forced to kiss her, he displays
genuine tenderness and affection for her.

Brent is not gay, I tell you! BRENT IS NOT GAY!!! He simply IS NOT a
sleazebag and Beneath wasn't a James Bond movie or a porno flick. Having a
scene in which Brent hits on Nova wouldn't have moved the story along in any
significant way so there was no need for it.

Will







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Taylor kept his ship up there. Milo is gay! - - - Jeff

P.S. Actually, Sal Mineo really was gay. And Roddy's good friend.

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Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:48 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Where did they come from?


> Yup.
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> There's been alot of talk about where you put discs and dogtags....I'm
just
> waiting for someome to chime in with where Milo go Taylor's ship
from....bit
> of a stretch..... ;)
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> Michael
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> on 9/6/04 1:20 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:
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> OK Will, but SOMEONE has to be gay otherwise WHERE DID THE DOGTAGS COME
> FROM!?!?!?? ;)
>
> Michael
>
> Oh Lord! You've got to explain that one to me.... Let's see... being in
> posession of dogtags equals homosexuality on someone's part?!?!? Huh...?
> Is this a sick joke about where Taylor must have kept his dogtags while he
> was in confinement? :)
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But WHY do the mutants make him kiss her? He shows no interest in her and then they make him kiss her. Why didn't they make him give her noogies? Or cheat at chess? It's an odd juxtaposition. Brent ain't bad. If he wasn't gay, Natalie would've made him kiss her.
Brent can be enjoyed straight or gay. I just think it adds a little color to a rather bland character. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not gay!!!


on 9/6/04 1:29 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Perhaps, but a guy can still look. Brent shows no interest in her. The
only person he's happy to see is Taylor. He could've at least hit on Natalie
Trundy. - - - Jeff

Oh, come on! Give Brent a little credit, will ya? Just because he's not
salivating and grabbing her private parts in a crude, uncouth manner in
every other scene doesn't mean that he isn't attracted to the girl! Brent's
a grown man, not a hormone ravaged teenager! In fact, he bravely risks the
wrath of the mutant's mental torture to try to protect her from harm and
immediately after the scene in which he is forced to kiss her, he displays
genuine tenderness and affection for her.

Brent is not gay, I tell you! BRENT IS NOT GAY!!! He simply IS NOT a
sleazebag and Beneath wasn't a James Bond movie or a porno flick. Having a
scene in which Brent hits on Nova wouldn't have moved the story along in any
significant way so there was no need for it.

Will


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on 9/6/04 1:50 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Hey Jeff, you said you wouldn't open this can of worms you naughty boy!

Don't take him seriously Will!

Michael

I'm not taking him all that seriously, I don't mean to sound that way and I
certainly don't mean any disrespect to Jeff personally. I just feel
strongly that Brent wasn't gay. And even if he WAS gay (which wouldn't be
the end of the world if he was), how would you prove it? He doesn't hit on
any members of the same sex in the film either! Nor should he... BECAUSE IT
SIMPLY WOULD NOT ADVANCE THE PLOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM TO HAVE HIM DO
SO! What twisted logic!

Will


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Is the fact that Milo found Taylor's ship supposed to be evidence? ;)

I wonder how Milo DID get that ship up and running?

Michael

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Taylor kept his ship up there. Milo is gay! - - - Jeff

P.S. Actually, Sal Mineo really was gay. And Roddy's good friend.







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I think they make him kiss her because he really wants to, and she wants him
too, but they have behaved because they both know she is Taylor's gal.

Does that make sense?

Michael

PS Jeff, do you mean to imply that Natalie is not very choosy? ;)

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not happy!!!


But WHY do the mutants make him kiss her? He shows no interest in her and
then they make him kiss her. Why didn't they make him give her noogies? Or
cheat at chess? It's an odd juxtaposition. Brent ain't bad. If he wasn't
gay, Natalie would've made him kiss her.
Brent can be enjoyed straight or gay. I just think it adds a little color
to a rather bland character. - - - Jeff







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D'oh! I thought we'd have you two punching in no time! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not gay!!!


Michael

I'm not taking him all that seriously, I don't mean to sound that way and I
certainly don't mean any disrespect to Jeff personally.







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on 9/6/04 2:02 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I think they make him kiss her because he really wants to, and she wants him
too, but they have behaved because they both know she is Taylor's gal.

Does that make sense?

Michael

PS Jeff, do you mean to imply that Natalie is not very choosy? ;)

That makes PERFECT sense!

Will


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How does Brent know she is Taylor's girl? There's no indication "he really wants to" kiss her. It doesn't have to be a scene where he hits on her. It could just be in the subtext. But he doesn't even LOOK at her! - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:02 AM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Brent is not happy!!!


I think they make him kiss her because he really wants to, and she wants him
too, but they have behaved because they both know she is Taylor's gal.

Does that make sense?

Michael

PS Jeff, do you mean to imply that Natalie is not very choosy? ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:03 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not happy!!!


But WHY do the mutants make him kiss her? He shows no interest in her and
then they make him kiss her. Why didn't they make him give her noogies? Or
cheat at chess? It's an odd juxtaposition. Brent ain't bad. If he wasn't
gay, Natalie would've made him kiss her.
Brent can be enjoyed straight or gay. I just think it adds a little color
to a rather bland character. - - - Jeff







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It also addresses the question I asked at a young asge - will Brent and Nova
"get it on"?

Michael

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on 9/6/04 2:02 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I think they make him kiss her because he really wants to, and she wants him
too, but they have behaved because they both know she is Taylor's gal.

Does that make sense?

Michael

PS Jeff, do you mean to imply that Natalie is not very choosy? ;)

That makes PERFECT sense!

Will








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on 9/6/04 2:02 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

But WHY do the mutants make him kiss her?

Maybe because... being telepaths, they sense that he has the hots for her
but is fighting not showing it and they want to force him to do what he
secretly would love to do!

Again, I just think that Brent is a little too busy with being involved,
first in a crash landing in which his skipper dies AND THEN he is confronted
with IMMENSE cultural shock at being on a planet where apes talk and wear
clothes and THEN he is confronted with the fact that he is really back on
Earth. PLUS... he is pursued by gorillas and shot, for crying out loud!
What's he gonna do? Scream, "Stop the movie for a second so I can check out
this hot native chick!"

Will


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Huh? Let's face it, the underground city is not exactly Chippendale's. Brent's got real skin and everything. Natalie wouldn't exactly be slumming to make him kiss her. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not happy!!!


on 9/6/04 2:02 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

I think they make him kiss her because he really wants to, and she wants him
too, but they have behaved because they both know she is Taylor's gal.

Does that make sense?

Michael

PS Jeff, do you mean to imply that Natalie is not very choosy? ;)

That makes PERFECT sense!

Will


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on 9/6/04 2:00 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:

Is the fact that Milo found Taylor's ship supposed to be evidence? ;)

I wonder how Milo DID get that ship up and running?

Michael


I'm lost on why Milo is supposed to be gay.... Isn't the ship a little
large to fit where... where... you know! And HOW does salvaging a sunken
spacecraft imply that a person (or a simian) is gay?

Will


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Obviously Milo wanted to go where the available men are. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did they come from?


> on 9/6/04 2:00 AM, Whitty, Michael at Michael.Whitty@... wrote:
>
> Is the fact that Milo found Taylor's ship supposed to be evidence? ;)
>
> I wonder how Milo DID get that ship up and running?
>
> Michael
>
>
> I'm lost on why Milo is supposed to be gay.... Isn't the ship a little
> large to fit where... where... you know! And HOW does salvaging a sunken
> spacecraft imply that a person (or a simian) is gay?
>
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on 9/6/04 2:13 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

How does Brent know she is Taylor's girl? There's no indication "he really
wants to" kiss her. It doesn't have to be a scene where he hits on her. It
could just be in the subtext. But he doesn't even LOOK at her! - - - Jeff


He doesn't have TIME TO LOOK AT HER!!! He's in a crashlanding, he has to
bury his skipper, he is out of water and doesn't know where is and THEN
finds out he's on a planet of apes! Then he gets shot and discovers that
he's really back on Earth and the place where he used to live is in total
ruins! So, if it were you and all of that happened to you in ONE DAY, you'd
be trying to sandwich in a little noogie in between the shocks, would you?
:)

Will


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on 9/6/04 2:16 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Huh? Let's face it, the underground city is not exactly Chippendale's.
Brent's got real skin and everything. Natalie wouldn't exactly be slumming
to make him kiss her. - - - Jeff



But that wouldn't just mess up Abina's makeup.... That might end up ripping
her face off!

Will


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on 9/6/04 2:23 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Obviously Milo wanted to go where the available men are. - - - Jeff

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Still don't get it!

Will


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You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some time when they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than Taylor in the cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get the impression Taylor and Nova are an item.
Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N were a couple and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss? Could it be Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied somewhat with "Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were more interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning passion "beneath" the surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's interaction with Nova before that. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brent is not happy!!!


on 9/6/04 2:13 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

How does Brent know she is Taylor's girl? There's no indication "he really
wants to" kiss her. It doesn't have to be a scene where he hits on her. It
could just be in the subtext. But he doesn't even LOOK at her! - - - Jeff


He doesn't have TIME TO LOOK AT HER!!! He's in a crashlanding, he has to
bury his skipper, he is out of water and doesn't know where is and THEN
finds out he's on a planet of apes! Then he gets shot and discovers that
he's really back on Earth and the place where he used to live is in total
ruins! So, if it were you and all of that happened to you in ONE DAY, you'd
be trying to sandwich in a little noogie in between the shocks, would you?
:)

Will


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Natalie and Brent could have mind sex. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:30 AM
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> on 9/6/04 2:16 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:
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> Huh? Let's face it, the underground city is not exactly Chippendale's.
> Brent's got real skin and everything. Natalie wouldn't exactly be slumming
> to make him kiss her. - - - Jeff
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ripping
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on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some time when
they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than Taylor in the
cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get the impression
Taylor and Nova are an item.
Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N were a couple
and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss? Could it be
Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied somewhat with
"Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were more
interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning passion "beneath" the
surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's interaction with
Nova before that. - - - Jeff



All good points, Jeff. But I must clarify that I am not unhappy. I simply
believe that Brent is a decent, hetrosexual male of good character who
doesn't just take advantage of naive native chicks every chance he gets.
Also remember, he wants to find Taylor and the girl he's traveling with is
wearing Taylor's dogtags, the equivalent of Taylor's football jacket or his
class ring. One can just imagine how differently the scene in which Taylor
and Brent finally do meet in the cage later on in the movie would have gone
if Brent really was that sleazy. "Taylor! I've been looking all over for
you, but ya know, I took advantage of your primitive girlfriend the first
chance I got! Couldn't help myself! She couldn't talk so she couldn't
exactly say 'no.'"

Will


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on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Natalie and Brent could have mind sex. - - - Jeff



And how would that have advanced the plot? ;)

Will


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Again I ask, how does Brent know Nova is Taylor's girl? She might have
just found the dog tags. There really isn't anything that would confirm
that. Brent even questions whether Taylor is still alive. If they bumped
into Taylor he would've forgiven him. Brent doesn't know what the audience
knows. No, I'm not saying they should have turned it into a soap opera (or
even it was the intention of the filmmakers that Brent is gay, though I can
see where Dehn might have toyed with it). I'm just saying based on what's on
the screen, my points are valid. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!


>
> on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:
>
> You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some time when
> they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than Taylor in the
> cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get the
impression
> Taylor and Nova are an item.
> Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N were a couple
> and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss? Could it be
> Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied somewhat
with
> "Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were more
> interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning passion "beneath" the
> surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's interaction with
> Nova before that. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> All good points, Jeff. But I must clarify that I am not unhappy. I
simply
> believe that Brent is a decent, hetrosexual male of good character who
> doesn't just take advantage of naive native chicks every chance he gets.
> Also remember, he wants to find Taylor and the girl he's traveling with is
> wearing Taylor's dogtags, the equivalent of Taylor's football jacket or
his
> class ring. One can just imagine how differently the scene in which
Taylor
> and Brent finally do meet in the cage later on in the movie would have
gone
> if Brent really was that sleazy. "Taylor! I've been looking all over for
> you, but ya know, I took advantage of your primitive girlfriend the first
> chance I got! Couldn't help myself! She couldn't talk so she couldn't
> exactly say 'no.'"
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How does Brent being forced to kiss Nova advance the plot? He already tried to drown her. - - - Jeff

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Maybe Natalie is not that hard up....


on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Natalie and Brent could have mind sex. - - - Jeff



And how would that have advanced the plot? ;)

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on 9/6/04 3:01 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

If they bumped into Taylor he would've forgiven him.



What? Taylor would have forgiven Brent for doing the nasty with "the only
girl in town." The girl he wanted to settle down and start a colony
with?!?!? And all the kids would learn to talk! Yeah, right!

Will


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on 9/6/04 3:03 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

How does Brent being forced to kiss Nova advance the plot? He already
tried to drown her. - - - Jeff


It advances the plot by reinforcing by example that the mutants can make him
do almost anything they want him to do. A gratuituous sex scene between
Brent and Nova before they start to follow the hum in the underground subway
system would reinforce absolutely nothing except it might have forced you to
rethink your "Brent is gay because he doesn't look at Nova" idea.

Will


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Brent is supposed to know all that? Yeah, right! But you're probably right, Taylor is a bit of a grouch. He would probably punch first and ask questions later. But Brent is gay so it wouldn't happen anyway.
When Brent tells Taylor that Nova is with him, does Taylor say, "You didn't touch her, did you?"? No, because he remembers Brent was that gay person back in the 20th Century. Not that there's anything wrong with that. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Will Hoover
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!


on 9/6/04 3:01 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

If they bumped into Taylor he would've forgiven him.



What? Taylor would have forgiven Brent for doing the nasty with "the only
girl in town." The girl he wanted to settle down and start a colony
with?!?!? And all the kids would learn to talk! Yeah, right!

Will


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Now that we're all supposed to be adults here, could I ask you

Jeff to go

> over your evidence for Brent being gay.
> If anyone does wish to protest this thread, please speak up now.

Well if time travel really was possible I think I would have
protested as I have only now just read about 2 pages of mind
numbingly boring posts on this subject.

Neil

Hi Will,

I just want to tell you that I appreciate your comments on this
thread, which I hope will end soon. I'm surprised to hear my
thoughts being so well represented here. I wrote a post supporting
what you have said, but I feel the thread will die sooner if I just
ignore it.

Anyway, I just got up and my brain hasn't kicked in yet. Just wanted
to say thanks for the show of sanity.

BTW: I think I sort of started this thread when I said something
like, "Oh, Roddy was gay? Did anyone else know this? Are you sure
he wasn't just a nice guy?" Sorry about that. I was actually hoping
that someone would bring forth a diary entry or let it go as gossip.
D'uh. Dopey me.

Glad to have you vocal in the group.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@e... at veetus@e... wrote:
>
> You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some
time when
> they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than Taylor in
the
> cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get the
impression
> Taylor and Nova are an item.
> Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N were a
couple
> and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss? Could it
be
> Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied
somewhat with
> "Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were more
> interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning passion "beneath"
the
> surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's interaction
with
> Nova before that. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> All good points, Jeff. But I must clarify that I am not unhappy.
I simply
> believe that Brent is a decent, hetrosexual male of good character
who
> doesn't just take advantage of naive native chicks every chance he
gets.
> Also remember, he wants to find Taylor and the girl he's traveling
with is
> wearing Taylor's dogtags, the equivalent of Taylor's football
jacket or his
> class ring. One can just imagine how differently the scene in
which Taylor
> and Brent finally do meet in the cage later on in the movie would
have gone
> if Brent really was that sleazy. "Taylor! I've been looking all
over for
> you, but ya know, I took advantage of your primitive girlfriend the
first
> chance I got! Couldn't help myself! She couldn't talk so she
couldn't
> exactly say 'no.'"
>
> Will
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jeff,

Did mom say she wants this thread to end soon?

I must say it has been interesting though - thanks again Jeff!

Will, it IS great to hear you - you opinionated so and so (who does he
remind me of....Michael somebody...?;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 10:40:43 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Hi Will,

I just want to tell you that I appreciate your comments on this
thread, which I hope will end soon. I'm surprised to hear my
thoughts being so well represented here. I wrote a post supporting
what you have said, but I feel the thread will die sooner if I just
ignore it.

Anyway, I just got up and my brain hasn't kicked in yet. Just wanted
to say thanks for the show of sanity.

BTW: I think I sort of started this thread when I said something
like, "Oh, Roddy was gay? Did anyone else know this? Are you sure
he wasn't just a nice guy?" Sorry about that. I was actually hoping
that someone would bring forth a diary entry or let it go as gossip.
D'uh. Dopey me.

Glad to have you vocal in the group.

Helen

Insane, am I? Well, after all, it IS science fiction. OK, Brent isn't gay, Roddy wasn't gay, no one is gay. It's a straight world and God is in heaven. Go bake some cookies. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: ape_mom
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:40 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!


Hi Will,

I just want to tell you that I appreciate your comments on this
thread, which I hope will end soon. I'm surprised to hear my
thoughts being so well represented here. I wrote a post supporting
what you have said, but I feel the thread will die sooner if I just
ignore it.

Anyway, I just got up and my brain hasn't kicked in yet. Just wanted
to say thanks for the show of sanity.

BTW: I think I sort of started this thread when I said something
like, "Oh, Roddy was gay? Did anyone else know this? Are you sure
he wasn't just a nice guy?" Sorry about that. I was actually hoping
that someone would bring forth a diary entry or let it go as gossip.
D'uh. Dopey me.

Glad to have you vocal in the group.

Helen






--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@e... at veetus@e... wrote:
>
> You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some
time when
> they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than Taylor in
the
> cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get the
impression
> Taylor and Nova are an item.
> Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N were a
couple
> and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss? Could it
be
> Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied
somewhat with
> "Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were more
> interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning passion "beneath"
the
> surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's interaction
with
> Nova before that. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
> All good points, Jeff. But I must clarify that I am not unhappy.
I simply
> believe that Brent is a decent, hetrosexual male of good character
who
> doesn't just take advantage of naive native chicks every chance he
gets.
> Also remember, he wants to find Taylor and the girl he's traveling
with is
> wearing Taylor's dogtags, the equivalent of Taylor's football
jacket or his
> class ring. One can just imagine how differently the scene in
which Taylor
> and Brent finally do meet in the cage later on in the movie would
have gone
> if Brent really was that sleazy. "Taylor! I've been looking all
over for
> you, but ya know, I took advantage of your primitive girlfriend the
first
> chance I got! Couldn't help myself! She couldn't talk so she
couldn't
> exactly say 'no.'"
>
> Will
>
>
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But wouldn't that be be Boulle's failed treatment for a sequel "Planet of the Men"? :)

Oh and I don't think Brent was gay either and I wonder why it is an issue.

The other Patrick

Will Hoover <will5967@...> wrote:
on 9/6/04 2:23 AM, veetus@... at veetus@... wrote:

Obviously Milo wanted to go where the available men are. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Will Hoover" <will5967@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Where did they come from?


Still don't get it!

Will

Hi Jeff! Come in and have some cookies... Let's talk!

I agree that you have lots of reason to believe that Brent may have
been gay. At least it is possible. Certainly the people who had the
authority and artistic license to do that had reason to make him so
that he could be perceived to be that way. And I'm amazed that you
pulled all this together and summized it. I don't have a problem
with that.

But, I agree with Will that it is certainly possible, and more easily
argued by me, that Brent was just a nice guy with some scruples and
perhaps a little dignity and jet lag. Why must we assume that he
would immediately "go for" Nova if he weren't gay?

I think his sexual orientation is not obvious and we would assume
that he is heterosexual based on having no real evidence to show
otherwise. Your arguments are all valid and enlightening.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Insane, am I? Well, after all, it IS science fiction. OK, Brent
isn't gay, Roddy wasn't gay, no one is gay. It's a straight world and
God is in heaven. Go bake some cookies. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ape_mom
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 5:40 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!
>
>
> Hi Will,
>
> I just want to tell you that I appreciate your comments on this
> thread, which I hope will end soon. I'm surprised to hear my
> thoughts being so well represented here. I wrote a post
supporting
> what you have said, but I feel the thread will die sooner if I
just
> ignore it.
>
> Anyway, I just got up and my brain hasn't kicked in yet. Just
wanted
> to say thanks for the show of sanity.
>
> BTW: I think I sort of started this thread when I said something
> like, "Oh, Roddy was gay? Did anyone else know this? Are you
sure
> he wasn't just a nice guy?" Sorry about that. I was actually
hoping
> that someone would bring forth a diary entry or let it go as
gossip.
> D'uh. Dopey me.
>
> Glad to have you vocal in the group.
>
> Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> > on 9/6/04 2:35 AM, veetus@e... at veetus@e... wrote:
> >
> > You bet! Brent is in a "life is short" situation. He has some
> time when
> > they are alone beneath the planet. It's no different than
Taylor in
> the
> > cage. He's gone through the same things Brent does and we get
the
> impression
> > Taylor and Nova are an item.
> > Yes, probably the producers felt the audience knew T and N
were a
> couple
> > and don't want to suggest infidelity. If so, why the kiss?
Could it
> be
> > Dehn's private comment given that it seems his hands were tied
> somewhat with
> > "Beneath" (as stories I believe "Escape" and "Conquest" were
more
> > interesting)? Maybe it's meant to show a burning
passion "beneath"
> the
> > surface, but there's no basis for that based on Brent's
interaction
> with
> > Nova before that. - - - Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> > All good points, Jeff. But I must clarify that I am not
unhappy.
> I simply
> > believe that Brent is a decent, hetrosexual male of good
character
> who
> > doesn't just take advantage of naive native chicks every chance
he
> gets.
> > Also remember, he wants to find Taylor and the girl he's
traveling
> with is
> > wearing Taylor's dogtags, the equivalent of Taylor's football
> jacket or his
> > class ring. One can just imagine how differently the scene in
> which Taylor
> > and Brent finally do meet in the cage later on in the movie
would
> have gone
> > if Brent really was that sleazy. "Taylor! I've been looking
all
> over for
> > you, but ya know, I took advantage of your primitive girlfriend
the
> first
> > chance I got! Couldn't help myself! She couldn't talk so she
> couldn't
> > exactly say 'no.'"
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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on 9/6/04 8:03 AM, Michael Whitty at whitty@... wrote:

Jeff,

Did mom say she wants this thread to end soon?

I must say it has been interesting though - thanks again Jeff!

Will, it IS great to hear you - you opinionated so and so (who does he
remind me of....Michael somebody...?;)

Michael



Michael, I think the world of you but I don't think that trying to refute
the idea that "Brent is gay" infers that I'm an "opinionated so and so." I
don't think you're an opinionated so and so either, but I guess I could be
wrong! ;)

Will


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"Whitty, Michael" < Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

> From experience working with comics (!) it is obvious to me that it is ESY
> to mix things up!
>
> With different drafts of different things, one can simply forget which
> version one is dealing with!

No doubt about that - but the thing that is of most interest here is not how
they were mixed up (if it was done by accident that is) but rather why the
original cover was changed to begin with. It seems pretty strange to me.

Alan

"Hoknes" <hoknes@... > wrote:

>
> it can be heard again at 17:10

Well the part at 14:55 seemed at first like it was part of Jerry's music
that was spliced into the existing scene (the editing isn't the smoothest)
but having listened to it again at 17:10 it sounds like it's a new piece of
music based on Jerry's score. It's different enough to be noticeable if
you've listened to the original often enough, but it is very similar. It's
probably not that surprising though really, as most of the TV music has a
similar vibe. The composers were probably instructed to stick as close to
the sound of the movies as possible and what better way to do that than
adapting bits of the original score!

Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> No doubt about that - but the thing that is of most interest here

is not how they were mixed up (if it was done by accident that is)
but rather why the original cover was changed to begin with. It
seems pretty strange to me.

Exactly the point I was trying to make Alan. It would be facinating
to find out the reason behind this. Also I wonder what the artist
thought about it?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Why must we assume that he would immediately "go for" Nova if he

weren't gay? I think his sexual orientation is not obvious and we
would assume that he is heterosexual based on having no real
evidence to show otherwise. Your arguments are all valid and
enlightening.

-- Has it not occurred to any of you that Brent might be HAPPILY
MARRIED and did not contemplate doing anything with Nova as he
wanted to remain faithful to his wife? I know it's an old fashion
concept these days but some males do still beleive in their marriage
vows, and I'm sure a few more men did back then too!

Neil

Maybe Nova's married too, and she's cheating on her husband with Taylor.
Who knows? I brought it up as a possibility, and didn't say it has to be.
Michael asked me about the Brent theory, I mentioned it and then Will
commented on it and I defended it. The question is why is everybody so quick
to knock it down? Sorry I rocked the boat. Let's go back to talking about
comic books. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:22 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Will is is just as happy as the next guy!!!


> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Why must we assume that he would immediately "go for" Nova if he
> weren't gay? I think his sexual orientation is not obvious and we
> would assume that he is heterosexual based on having no real
> evidence to show otherwise. Your arguments are all valid and
> enlightening.
>
> -- Has it not occurred to any of you that Brent might be HAPPILY
> MARRIED and did not contemplate doing anything with Nova as he
> wanted to remain faithful to his wife? I know it's an old fashion
> concept these days but some males do still beleive in their marriage
> vows, and I'm sure a few more men did back then too!
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Or toys if you want to upset Sparky! ;)

Actually, Jeff, what is the BEST script that was thrown around in the
80's / 90's that was never filmed as the next POTA?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:43:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The love that dares not speak it's name
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Let's go back to talking about comic books. - - - Jeff

In a message dated 9/5/2004 7:23:04 PM Central Standard Time,
veetus@... writes:

> According to Cougar they found Virdon's disc in "The Legacy". I say they
> missed it. If they did find the disc, can we assume that Virdon went back
> and got it (not filmed)?

That'd be a fair assumption, but from my standpoint, I'd guess it was taken
back to Central City and placed in Zaius's cabinet (by Zaius) along side the
grenades,books, and other curiosities from "intelligent" Humans...

By having Zaius possess the disc, it could have made for the plot of a good
"future episode" in which they have to retrieve it from his home...


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Then tell us about your preparation for the revered forthcoming TV Show
comic strip.......

I know you are busy with other things at the moment, but do you think we
could offer the DG a sneak peek at the fugitives in action when you have
some pencils ready?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Roddy McDowell


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Now that we're all supposed to be adults here, could I ask you

Jeff to go

> over your evidence for Brent being gay.
> If anyone does wish to protest this thread, please speak up now.

Well if time travel really was possible I think I would have
protested as I have only now just read about 2 pages of mind
numbingly boring posts on this subject.

Neil







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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Then tell us about your preparation for the revered forthcoming TV

Show comic strip.......

> I know you are busy with other things at the moment, but do you

think we could offer the DG a sneak peek at the fugitives in action
when you have some pencils ready?

-- Sure when I do finally get around to starting it. At the moment I
am in the middle of painting the artwork for Chris Hight's action
figures' box.

Speaking of which, last week I received a Gideon figure made by
Chris and I must say it is an exeptional piece. Wow, Gideon is now
an action figure. He now really is famous!

Neil

I bought a "Marcus" - WITH A CIGAR ACCESSORY!

The detail is incredible and I believe Chris gets the detail from his own
personal collection. I wonder if Chris would allow a sneak peek at one of
the panels from vthe pencilled version of the box - Chris?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Then tell us about your preparation for the revered forthcoming TV

Show comic strip.......

> I know you are busy with other things at the moment, but do you

think we could offer the DG a sneak peek at the fugitives in action
when you have some pencils ready?

-- Sure when I do finally get around to starting it. At the moment I
am in the middle of painting the artwork for Chris Hight's action
figures' box.

Speaking of which, last week I received a Gideon figure made by
Chris and I must say it is an exeptional piece. Wow, Gideon is now
an action figure. He now really is famous!

Neil








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In a message dated 9/6/2004 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> I bought a "Marcus" - WITH A CIGAR ACCESSORY!
>

Don't you mean JULIUS?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Of course I do.

Thanks Neil...I mean Cougar... ;)

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 10:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen


In a message dated 9/6/2004 7:07:42 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> I bought a "Marcus" - WITH A CIGAR ACCESSORY!
>

Don't you mean JULIUS?







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Neil,

You won't believe how impressed I am about this. Congratulations!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, last week I received a Gideon figure made by
> Chris and I must say it is an exeptional piece. Wow, Gideon is now
> an action figure. He now really is famous!
>
> Neil

Chris Hight - get here and share more in-depth photos and so on!

Oh yeah, and Helen is proud of Dave Ballard too for his part in creating
Gideon (the enigma!).

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen


Neil,

You won't believe how impressed I am about this. Congratulations!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> Speaking of which, last week I received a Gideon figure made by
> Chris and I must say it is an exeptional piece. Wow, Gideon is now
> an action figure. He now really is famous!
>
> Neil







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm sorry, guys. I'm proud of all of you! You've done an amazing
thing. Can't wait to see the encore.

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Chris Hight - get here and share more in-depth photos and so on!
>
> Oh yeah, and Helen is proud of Dave Ballard too for his part in

creating

> Gideon (the enigma!).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:40 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen
>
>
> Neil,
>
> You won't believe how impressed I am about this. Congratulations!
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Speaking of which, last week I received a Gideon figure made by
> > Chris and I must say it is an exeptional piece. Wow, Gideon is

now

> > an action figure. He now really is famous!
> >
> > Neil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Whitty,
Sorry I haven't spoken up much in the last several weeks. I have
been out of town a lot with work and have been going thru a
personal "crisis".
Anyway, I've gotten some more scanned this weekend, Ape Nation #4
and Ape City #1 and have them sent off to Greg P. Also, got the
script for Conquest and the Dehn Battle treatment re-scanned for him
to take another shot at and make look even better than before.
Other than that,I have just been here enjoying my weekend off and
spending some time with my 2 boys. By the way, my oldest watched
the Apes marathon with me on the Sci-Fi channel on Sunday...almost
brought a tear to my eye...he actually asked if he could watch it.
One of the proudest moments I have ever had.

Greg#2

> Good to hear your voice Greg #2!
>
> Michael

So it IS genetic!!!

My kids beg me to watch "Return". Unbelievable, they say they just love the
STORY!

They are 7 and 9.

This gives me hope!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: greg [gbharris1@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Roddy McDowell


By the way, my oldest watched the Apes marathon with me on the Sci-Fi
channel on Sunday...almost brought a tear to my eye...he actually asked if
he could watch it.
One of the proudest moments I have ever had.

Greg#2

> Good to hear your voice Greg #2!
>
> Michael

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Jeff,

It's okay to rock the boat. I don't think that anyone fell out yet.
I was feeling a little sheepish for having brought it up...

I didn't mean to "knock it down." I think it is well thought out and
valid. As a woman, though, I would like to think that he was a
decent, moral guy with values who wouldn't be THAT quick to take
advantage of the vulnerable native girl. I would also like to think
that there are guys on this group who would feel comfortable
defending that image. And, thankfully, there are.

I didn't mean to question your sanity specifically. I was actually
questioning the sanity of the male gender in general. Sheesh. Now
whose toes am I stepping on?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Maybe Nova's married too, and she's cheating on her husband with
Taylor.
> Who knows? I brought it up as a possibility, and didn't say it has
to be.
> Michael asked me about the Brent theory, I mentioned it and then
Will
> commented on it and I defended it. The question is why is everybody
so quick
> to knock it down? Sorry I rocked the boat. Let's go back to talking
about
> comic books. - - - Jeff
>

> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > > -- On this subject of the altered Larkin cover art, seeing as

my

> > set
> > > of UK POTA comics are long gone (thanks Mum!)

+++ The U.S. Supreme Court and the United Nations recently passed a
bill making it your legal right to demand in any court on the planet
earth a request your mother be put to death for "wrongful and
malicious disposal of a loved and cherished PLANET OF THE APES
collection - or any part thereof."

Just thought you might like to know this.

Anon.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Yes, Roddy was gay. I've been told first hand by people who knew

him.

> Roddy was a private person, but obviously being gay was a tough

thing to be

> in the course of Roddy's long life. Perhaps being "different"

informed his

> love of POTA and the lessons it had. Roddy, Pierre Boulle, Paul

Dehn,

> Brent...they gave us a gay old time. - - - Jeff

BRENT IS NOT GAY. NO NO BLOODY BLOODY NO.

But then he had a fit, tanned body and never made a move on Nova --
even given many chances...

Taylor, of course, got straight in there.

Good lad!

Mark. ;)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> The words Helen and intelligent on the same line? Cool! Thanks.
>
> Just remember, the poll is for EVERYONE, not just Newbies and
> Strangers.
>
> --Helen
>

+++ But you are a sweetie. It's a known fact.

Anon.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Define "gay"! ;)

Whitty --

Australia really is a long, LONG way away, isn't it?

Mark. :)

20 hours. You can sleep on the jet! ;)

-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 12:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Roddy McDowell


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Define "gay"! ;)

Whitty --

Australia really is a long, LONG way away, isn't it?

Mark. :)







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Well, it's no contest. In POTA vs. "Lord of the Rings", "Rings"

won. You

> might find it interesting to know that in 1992 Peter Jackson tried

to

> convince 20th Century Fox to let him make POTA (he was Roddy's

choice). And

> the POTA script developed by Oliver Stone in 1994 had a

definite "Lord of

> the Rings" flavor, including a character called Aragorn who is

meant to

> assume his mantle as the king of mankind. - - - Jeff

+++ I think I've used this example before -- but to see THAT -- i
would've sold my entire family into slavery.

Mark.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> 20 hours. You can sleep on the jet! ;)
>

I've done it six times in my life -- but I could never sleep!

MT-B

Hi Helen,

Like I said, I don't think it's a question of Brent taking "advantage" of
Nova, just the subtext of his interaction with her. Like with Heston in the
original, we know he likes her but there's no point where he "takes her".
Brent is a one-dimensional character, a disappointment after Taylor. Maybe
there was no thought given to him other than being an action figure but he's
a blank slate with room to speculate. I speculated. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 7:18 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The love that dares not speak it's name


> Jeff,
>
> It's okay to rock the boat. I don't think that anyone fell out yet.
> I was feeling a little sheepish for having brought it up...
>
> I didn't mean to "knock it down." I think it is well thought out and
> valid. As a woman, though, I would like to think that he was a
> decent, moral guy with values who wouldn't be THAT quick to take
> advantage of the vulnerable native girl. I would also like to think
> that there are guys on this group who would feel comfortable
> defending that image. And, thankfully, there are.
>
> I didn't mean to question your sanity specifically. I was actually
> questioning the sanity of the male gender in general. Sheesh. Now
> whose toes am I stepping on?
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Maybe Nova's married too, and she's cheating on her husband with
> Taylor.
> > Who knows? I brought it up as a possibility, and didn't say it has
> to be.
> > Michael asked me about the Brent theory, I mentioned it and then
> Will
> > commented on it and I defended it. The question is why is everybody
> so quick
> > to knock it down? Sorry I rocked the boat. Let's go back to talking
> about
> > comic books. - - - Jeff
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

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Thanks to Greg P. and Greg#2, Ape Nation issue 4 is available for
download as a PDF file:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Enjoy!

Hunter

Just letting everyone who has ordered and paid for the Beware the
Beast limited edition signed print know that the first batch were
posted out this morning (from sunny Australia).
Sorry for the slight delay!

Also I would remind any one else who wants one, they are US$19.99
which includes shipping in a sturdy mailing tube right to your door!

For details on how to order and pay for the print please contact
Michael Whitty.

Cheers,
Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> I'm sorry, guys. I'm proud of all of you!

--Thanks Helen, and yeah Gideon is actually Dave Ballard's character
(love child?). I just had the privilege of drawing pictures of him!

> Can't wait to see the encore.

--You want an encore? You mean the encore where we find out what
happened to the poor little baby that Gideon almost got to stone to
death?? ;-)

Neil

Terry, I thought Glen Schitz did the cover for AC #38?!?!?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [hoknes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 1:58 PM
To: PotaProjects@yahoogroups.com; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com;
pota@yahoogroups.com; apechronicles@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] APE CHRONICLES #38 / SIMIAN SCROLLS #9 - now available !


http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm
<http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm>
http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm
<http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm>







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice to see Terry announce the new Scrolls.

Smells fishy to me.

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:58 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> I'm sorry, guys. I'm proud of all of you!

--Thanks Helen, and yeah Gideon is actually Dave Ballard's character
(love child?). I just had the privilege of drawing pictures of him!

> Can't wait to see the encore.

--You want an encore? You mean the encore where we find out what
happened to the poor little baby that Gideon almost got to stone to
death?? ;-)

Neil







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Glen did the cover for #37
Dan did the cover for #38

> http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm>
> http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm>

There's supposed to be a ";)" there too by the way!

Terry, tell us how you got the great man to come out of hiding!

He has been on "radio silence" for a month now.......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Whitty, Michael
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:17 PM
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen


Nice to see Terry announce the new Scrolls.

Smells fishy to me.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

OK - I'm going into OVERLOAD here Terry!

So there are 2 new issues of Chronicles available, and at the same time we
get the new Simian Scrolls?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [terryhoknes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] APE CHRONICLES #38 / SIMIAN SCROLLS #9 - now available
!


Glen did the cover for #37
Dan did the cover for #38

> http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm

<http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm>

> < http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm

<http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm> >

> http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm

<http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm>

> < http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm

<http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm> >







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

thats right !!
everybodys busy this fall pushing the 30th anniversary!

> So there are 2 new issues of Chronicles available, and at the same time we
> get the new Simian Scrolls?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hoknes [terryhoknes@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:15 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] APE CHRONICLES #38 / SIMIAN SCROLLS #9 - now

available

> !
>
>
> Glen did the cover for #37
> Dan did the cover for #38
>
>
> > http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm>
> > < http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm> >
> > http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm>
> > < http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm
> <http://www.hoknes.com/simianscrolls9.htm> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Terry,

Is there any info on how regularly AC will be released or will it vary?

Also, to help plug this issue could you just run through the articles (on
the link it is hard to read the cover) and explain how one gets a copy of
AC.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [terryhoknes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:27 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] APE CHRONICLES #38 / SIMIAN SCROLLS #9 - now available
!


thats right !!
everybodys busy this fall pushing the 30th anniversary!

> So there are 2 new issues of Chronicles available, and at the same time we
> get the new Simian Scrolls?
>
> Michael







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where can we go online to see a picture of the print ?

> Just letting everyone who has ordered and paid for the Beware the
> Beast limited edition signed print know that the first batch were
> posted out this morning (from sunny Australia).
> Sorry for the slight delay!
>
> Also I would remind any one else who wants one, they are US$19.99
> which includes shipping in a sturdy mailing tube right to your door!
>
> For details on how to order and pay for the print please contact
> Michael Whitty.
>
> Cheers,
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Neil, do you have a larger version you can post into the files section?

-----Original Message-----
From: Hoknes [terryhoknes@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:50 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast Limited Signed Print


where can we go online to see a picture of the print ?







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> OK - I'm going into OVERLOAD here Terry!
> So there are 2 new issues of Chronicles available, and at the same

time we get the new Simian Scrolls?

-- This seems a bit strange to me. Wouldn't it have made more sense
(as well as better for people financially) to spread the release of
all these out a bit?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil, do you have a larger version you can post into the files

section?

--Yeah I do... oh you want me to actually do it!

Done!!:

http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEA9QVq3M9lHUDOCihiw59w5LMxlD3hPDIHCpFsi
day0nh82y_i_exvEcezv_EFtvWL3l9NE3dBlXuedu-7M/BtB%20poster%20%28final%
20poster%20design%29.jpg

Neil

To pay for these go to PayPal and deposit $19.99 US into my account:

whitty @ cyberone.com.au

Close the gaps left and right of the above "@" - they appear so this address
goes through!

If you can't do PayPal, email me.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 2:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beware the Beast Limited Signed Print


Just letting everyone who has ordered and paid for the Beware the
Beast limited edition signed print know that the first batch were
posted out this morning (from sunny Australia).
Sorry for the slight delay!

Also I would remind any one else who wants one, they are US$19.99
which includes shipping in a sturdy mailing tube right to your door!

For details on how to order and pay for the print please contact
Michael Whitty.

Cheers,
Neil







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Neil.

This might hold the link together:



< <http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEA9QVq3M9lHUDOCihiw59w5LMxlD3hPDIHCpFsi>
http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEA9QVq3M9lHUDOCihiw59w5LMxlD3hPDIHCpFsi
day0nh82y_i_exvEcezv_EFtvWL3l9NE3dBlXuedu-7M/BtB%20poster%20%28final%
20poster%20design%29.jpg>

Michael





-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 3:46 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast Limited Signed Print


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil, do you have a larger version you can post into the files

section?

--Yeah I do... oh you want me to actually do it!

Done!!:

http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEA9QVq3M9lHUDOCihiw59w5LMxlD3hPDIHCpFsi
<http://f5.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/UEA9QVq3M9lHUDOCihiw59w5LMxlD3hPDIHCpFsi>
day0nh82y_i_exvEcezv_EFtvWL3l9NE3dBlXuedu-7M/BtB%20poster%20%28final%
20poster%20design%29.jpg

Neil







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Well support Simian Scrolls first as there issues sell out
I keep mine in print over time so you can always get them from me
however I do publish more often than Scrolls and i offer discount rates on
memberships

details at
www.hoknes.com/apechronicles38.htm

Just wanted to let everyone know that the group's posts for November
2003 have been deleted from the main site and can now be found in
the files section of the Archives as a text file:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/


For those of you who are new to the group, we have to do this
periodically to free up space as Yahoo does not allot much space to
the groups anymore. As this group is so active we tend to fill up
very quickly and instead of losing old posts forever we like to keep
a copy of them all, so we had to start a few more groups to store
excess stuff on.

One important point - to access the old posts etc. you will need to
be a member of the Archives group. As we have recently had
to 'revamp' the group it will be necessary for all of those who were
previously members of the Archives to also (re)join.

The same is also true for the Fan Fiction and Photos groups:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupfanfiction/

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/

Thanks,
Neil

The following PotaDG poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: I'm interested in POTA fan
demographics. This poll will only be
valid IF most people respond and IF
those who respond don't lie!! If we
get
a fair number of responses, I will
follow with another question. Your
answers will be completely private. No
names will be associated with any
answer.

Here is my first question: What year
were you born?

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- 1982 - 1992, 2 votes, 8.00%
- 1972 - 1981, 3 votes, 12.00%
- 1962 - 1971, 11 votes, 44.00%
- 1952 - 1961, 8 votes, 32.00%
- 1942 - 1951, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 1932 - 1941, 1 votes, 4.00%
- 1922 - 1931, 0 votes, 0.00%
- 1912 - 1921, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Sometime before the dates given., 0 votes, 0.00%
- Sometime after the dates given., 0 votes, 0.00%



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The Adventure Comics' comic books I'm hosting on my web page will be
removed on Wednesday, September 8. If you intend to download them and
haven't yet, now's the time.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

Hunter,

Before you remove them, I would like to thank you for hosting them.
It was an education for me. I personally think they are ugly, but
maybe that's where they got the idea for the pota2001 apes.

Anyway...

Are you also removing the coloring books? I notice that one is
missing. (Conquest) Do you have plans for putting that one on your
site? I'd like to copy all of the coloing books before they
disappear, rather than just a picture or two. Is there some way to
save these files to my computer hard drive? Otherwise, if there is
time, I will put them on paper.

Thanks,

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> The Adventure Comics' comic books I'm hosting on my web page will be
> removed on Wednesday, September 8. If you intend to download them
and
> haven't yet, now's the time.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hunter

Hunter..............

I did it! I have them on my desktop! (I hope it's not just a link
to your site.) I'll grab the comics, too. Thank you! Thank you!

**I always work better under pressure!

--Helen




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Hunter,
>
> Are you also removing the coloring books? I notice that one is
> missing. (Conquest) Do you have plans for putting that one on

your

> site? I'd like to copy all of the coloing books before they
> disappear, rather than just a picture or two. Is there some way to
> save these files to my computer hard drive? Otherwise, if there is
> time, I will put them on paper.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --Helen
>

The scripts written for the new movie weren't very good, including the final product (after a decade) for Burton's movie. I'd like to have read what James Cameron wrote but his didn't get distributed during a preproduction period so we'll probably never know; but I heard he wrote a treatment. He told me it was going to be "a synthesis of the first two films plus some new ideas". He also said he wouldn't go through with it unless he got the script right; he didn't want to sully POTA's memory.
I'd also be interested in reading Bill Broyles' script before it was rewritten and became Burton's movie. "Variety" and "Hollywood Reporter" said it was very good, though Zanuck complained it had centaurs in it.
Of the scripts I've read, I thought the Oliver Stone one had the most potential, since it tried to go it's own way and not just look at POTA through nostalgia. It took place in the past and had the POTA here BEFORE us. I was resistant at first, because I like the idea of the apes coming after us and finding bits of our civilization, etc. The script itself needs a lot of work (written by Terry Hayes) but I like Oliver Stone and I'm sure if he stayed around he could've whipped it into shape (he told me he didn't like the script).
All 3 of the scripts (Adam Rifkin's, Stone/Hayes' and Chris Columbus/ Sam Hamm's ) are available on Hunter's site. - - - Jeff

----- Original Mes sage -----
From: Michael Whitty
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: The love that dares not speak it's name


Or toys if you want to upset Sparky! ;)

Actually, Jeff, what is the BEST script that was thrown around in the
80's / 90's that was never filmed as the next POTA?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:43:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The love that dares not speak it's name
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Let's go back to talking about comic books. - - - Jeff










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Hi, Helen.

> Before you remove them, I would like to thank you for hosting them.
> It was an education for me. I personally think they are ugly, but
> maybe that's where they got the idea for the pota2001 apes.

I didn't care for them, either.

> Are you also removing the coloring books?

No, I'm not planning to remove them unless someone officially asks me
too. The Adventure Comics' books are a lot more recent and still
pretty readily available in comics shops, so I'm not comfortable
leaving them up permanently. The coloring books and Power Records
files are so old (and have been out-of-print for so many years) that
I'm not too worried about the attention they may draw.

> I notice that one is
> missing. (Conquest) Do you have plans for putting that one on your
> site?

If memory serves (and Greg P. can correct me if I'm wrong), the
contents of the final coloring book were identical to one of the
others, just with a different cover.

Hunter

Along with the release of George Lucas' "Star Wars" movies on DVD this month, Lucas is also releasing his first feature film, "THX 1138", in a brand new director's cut. This film featured Don Pedro Colley (Ongoro, one of the mutants in "Beneath") and was released in 1971 (a year after "Beneath"). It's slated for a limited run in theatres on Sept. 10 and a DVD release on Sept. 14 (available in a movie only edition or a 2-disc special edition). And it's a sci-fi film, dealing with a repressive underground society (like "Beneath") and is considered a classic of it's time (some find it Lucas' best, others find it boring). It also had music by Lalo Schifrin, a couple years before he did the theme for the POTA TV show. In any case, George Lucas fans will find happiness this month. - - - Jeff


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There was Sci-Fi Channel's "Ape" marathon this weekend. And now it's been announced that Sci-Fi is adapting..."The Andromeda Strain" and "The thing", two sci-fi classics. We've wondered if it might be possible for Sci -Fi to do a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA book. Well, here's more ammunition. They're still in the sci-fi classics business (they already did two productions of the "Dune" books, a story Arthur Jacobs wanted to film). "Andromeda" will be produced by Ridley Scott and "Thing" will be directed by Frank Darabont ("Shawshank Redemption", "Green Mile"). Big people are getting involved with these productions since feature films don't seem able to do sci-fi right. If Fox really isn't committed to a new "Apes" this might be the place to go. - - - Jeff


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I do have a sixth coloring book, but when getting ready to scan it I noticed that every single page had already appeared in the other books. In fact, it was mostly a duplicate of one book with a few pages from another book. The cover for this one had Aldo on it from Battle, but the gorillas in the background were in their Conquest jumpsuits. I also know there's at least one activity book that I don't have (with faces of 4 characters in circles on the cover). Given the amount of duplication among all the books I can't be sure that there would be much new material so I haven't tried very hard to hunt it down. Perhaps someone who has it could compare the contents to the books already on Hunter's site.

Helen, I'm very glad you're enjoying these and making good use of them. My niece and nephew have enjoyed them as well, and I can't wait until my younger nephews are a little bit older so I can give them copies as well.

Greg P.

Hunter Goatley <goathunter@...> wrote:

> I notice that one is
> missing. (Conquest) Do you have plans for putting that one on your
> site?

If memory serves (and Greg P. can correct me if I'm wrong), the
contents of the final coloring book were identical to one of the
others, just with a different cover.

Hunter



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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> --You want an encore? You mean the encore where we find out what
> happened to the poor little baby that Gideon almost got to stone to
> death?? ;-)
>
> Neil

I'm guessing we KNOW what happened!!! How tragic!

(Unless... ) :-/

It's good to know there are other coloring book aficionados!

I wonder, though, coloring book fans...

Who is Hodge???

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I do have a sixth coloring book, but when getting ready to scan it
I noticed that every single page had already appeared in the other
books. In fact, it was mostly a duplicate of one book with a few
pages from another book. The cover for this one had Aldo on it from
Battle, but the gorillas in the background were in their Conquest
jumpsuits. I also know there's at least one activity book that I
don't have (with faces of 4 characters in circles on the cover).
Given the amount of duplication among all the books I can't be sure
that there would be much new material so I haven't tried very hard to
hunt it down. Perhaps someone who has it could compare the contents
to the books already on Hunter's site.
>
> Helen, I'm very glad you're enjoying these and making good use of
them. My niece and nephew have enjoyed them as well, and I can't wait
until my younger nephews are a little bit older so I can give them
copies as well.
>
> Greg P.
>
> Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...> wrote:
> > I notice that one is
> > missing. (Conquest) Do you have plans for putting that one on your
> > site?
>
> If memory serves (and Greg P. can correct me if I'm wrong), the
> contents of the final coloring book were identical to one of the
> others, just with a different cover.
>
> Hunter
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'm impressed, guys. There were actually 25 responses to this poll!
Sparky was close to being right, and, if the ages were to fall close
to the low end of - 1952 - 1961, 8 votes, 32.00% then he is on the
money! I'm pleased by the youngsters and oldsters of the group and
feel confident that we have company even in the age fringes! I
appreciate every response. Thank you for your interest in the poll.

I'm working on the wording of my follow-up poll. (Actually, I'm
deciding on the focus and scope.) I hope if you answered this one,
you will join in the next. If you didn't answer this one, you are
still invited and more than welcome to participate. I just want to
know who we are!!

Best to you all,

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>
> The following PotaDG poll is now closed. Here are the
> final results:
>
>
> POLL QUESTION: I'm interested in POTA fan
> demographics. This poll will only be
> valid IF most people respond and IF
> those who respond don't lie!! If we
> get
> a fair number of responses, I will
> follow with another question. Your
> answers will be completely private. No
> names will be associated with any
> answer.
>
> Here is my first question: What year
> were you born?
>
> CHOICES AND RESULTS
> - 1982 - 1992, 2 votes, 8.00%
> - 1972 - 1981, 3 votes, 12.00%
> - 1962 - 1971, 11 votes, 44.00%
> - 1952 - 1961, 8 votes, 32.00%
> - 1942 - 1951, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - 1932 - 1941, 1 votes, 4.00%
> - 1922 - 1931, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - 1912 - 1921, 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Sometime before the dates given., 0 votes, 0.00%
> - Sometime after the dates given., 0 votes, 0.00%

OH NO! She's going to ask about our IQs!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Poll results for PotaDG


I'm impressed, guys. There were actually 25 responses to this poll!
Sparky was close to being right, and, if the ages were to fall close
to the low end of - 1952 - 1961, 8 votes, 32.00% then he is on the
money! I'm pleased by the youngsters and oldsters of the group and
feel confident that we have company even in the age fringes! I
appreciate every response. Thank you for your interest in the poll.

I'm working on the wording of my follow-up poll. (Actually, I'm
deciding on the focus and scope.) I hope if you answered this one,
you will join in the next. If you didn't answer this one, you are
still invited and more than welcome to participate. I just want to
know who we are!!

Best to you all,

--Helen








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I hope Zira found the baby and put it in the back of the ship!

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: A Tribute to Galen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --You want an encore? You mean the encore where we find out what
> happened to the poor little baby that Gideon almost got to stone to
> death?? ;-)
>
> Neil


I'm guessing we KNOW what happened!!! How tragic!

(Unless... ) :-/







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Yes!! That's it!! How do I word that so that those with smaller
numbers will be able to find the right answer???




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> OH NO! She's going to ask about our IQs!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:11 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Poll results for PotaDG
>
>
> I'm impressed, guys. There were actually 25 responses to this

poll!

> Sparky was close to being right, and, if the ages were to fall

close

> to the low end of - 1952 - 1961, 8 votes, 32.00% then he is on the
> money! I'm pleased by the youngsters and oldsters of the group and
> feel confident that we have company even in the age fringes! I
> appreciate every response. Thank you for your interest in the poll.
>
> I'm working on the wording of my follow-up poll. (Actually, I'm
> deciding on the focus and scope.) I hope if you answered this one,
> you will join in the next. If you didn't answer this one, you are
> still invited and more than welcome to participate. I just want to
> know who we are!!
>
> Best to you all,
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

If anyone has any contacts at the Sci-Fi Channel could you please email me,
either on the group or privately.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: veetus@... [veetus@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sci-Fi Channel rocking


There was Sci-Fi Channel's "Ape" marathon this weekend. And now it's been
announced that Sci-Fi is adapting..."The Andromeda Strain" and "The thing",
two sci-fi classics. We've wondered if it might be possible for Sci -Fi to
do a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA book. Well, here's more
ammunition. They're still in the sci-fi classics business (they already did
two productions of the "Dune" books, a story Arthur Jacobs wanted to film).
"Andromeda" will be produced by Ridley Scott and "Thing" will be directed by
Frank Darabont ("Shawshank Redemption", "Green Mile"). Big people are
getting involved with these productions since feature films don't seem able
to do sci-fi right. If Fox really isn't committed to a new "Apes" this might
be the place to go. - - - Jeff







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That would be exciting to see a good adaptation of Boulle's novel.
It was what really got me interested in PotA.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> If anyone has any contacts at the Sci-Fi Channel could you please

email me,

> either on the group or privately.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Sci-Fi Channel rocking
>
>
> There was Sci-Fi Channel's "Ape" marathon this weekend. And now

it's been

> announced that Sci-Fi is adapting..."The Andromeda Strain"

and "The thing",

> two sci-fi classics. We've wondered if it might be possible for

Sci -Fi to

> do a faithful adaptation of Boulle's POTA book. Well, here's more
> ammunition. They're still in the sci-fi classics business (they

already did

> two productions of the "Dune" books, a story Arthur Jacobs wanted

to film).

> "Andromeda" will be produced by Ridley Scott and "Thing" will be

directed by

> Frank Darabont ("Shawshank Redemption", "Green Mile"). Big people

are

> getting involved with these productions since feature films don't

seem able

> to do sci-fi right. If Fox really isn't committed to a new "Apes"

this might

> be the place to go. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]