In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

> I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too impressive, but
> it's POTA.
>
> --Helen
>

What does it contain?

-- Rory


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In a message dated 9/22/04 8:14:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> I've been watching "Return".
>
> That stupid Pterydactyl thing is echoing in my head right now.
>

The last time I watched those "Return" shows I really got tired of the stiff
line readings.

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Like I said, it's no big deal. We've been putting together a book of
family POTA pictures, POTA quotes, and familiar POTA faces. Mostly a
family project scrapbook with other bits thrown in.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too impressive,
but
> > it's POTA.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> What does it contain?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'll bet Rory could throw some articles into the files that would help fill
that book!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


Like I said, it's no big deal. We've been putting together a book of
family POTA pictures, POTA quotes, and familiar POTA faces. Mostly a
family project scrapbook with other bits thrown in.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too impressive,
but
> > it's POTA.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> What does it contain?
>
> -- Rory







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I haven't seen these cartoons since they aired on TV and I watched my
little brother watch them. I admit they didn't interest me. I don't
know why I mention it, as it doesn't contribute to the flow of
discussion, but they never seemed like POTA to me. Just my opinion.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/04 8:14:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
> > I've been watching "Return".
> >
> > That stupid Pterydactyl thing is echoing in my head right now.
> >
>
> The last time I watched those "Return" shows I really got tired of
the stiff
> line readings.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I'd actually like some short, light stuff. Quotes, blurbs, small
quips. Especially about production and actors.

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I'll bet Rory could throw some articles into the files that would

help fill

> that book!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?
>
>
> Like I said, it's no big deal. We've been putting together a book

of

> family POTA pictures, POTA quotes, and familiar POTA faces. Mostly

a

> family project scrapbook with other bits thrown in.
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too

impressive,

> but
> > > it's POTA.
> > >
> > > --Helen
> > >
> >
> > What does it contain?
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Wishful thinking requires me to leave an empty place for Milo
pictures or information.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too impressive,
but
> > it's POTA.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> What does it contain?
>
> -- Rory
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 9/22/04 8:55:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

> I haven't seen these cartoons since they aired on TV and I watched my
> little brother watch them. I admit they didn't interest me. I don't
> know why I mention it, as it doesn't contribute to the flow of
> discussion, but they never seemed like POTA to me. Just my opinion.
>
> --Helen
>

They're a POTA mutant.

-- Rory


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on 9/22/04 5:42 PM, Neil at nfoster@... wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> 9) I agree that the world will keep on turning but it obviously
does make a BIG difference to you and others because of the heated
nature of your reply to my original post. If it didn't make any
difference to you, I doubt that you would have addressed this post
to me personally and taken so many issues (8 or 9?) with me
personally.

-- Will if you insist on sending posts that indicate to other people
that they are wrong if they disagree with your views then you should
expect to have replies that will be addressed to you personally.
Even if that is not what you meant that is how your post came across
to me as well.

People will take things personally if they feel you are belittling
or having a go at something they strongly believe in, you must know
this, I mean what else would you expect?

It won't surprise me at all if you reply to this post with a list of
reasons why I am wrong in thinking this about your post and you may
even take it as another personal attack on yourself. So be it, it
isn't. We've had this mindless 'I said this then you said that' crap
enough times before and I've had enough of it.

I will just ask you to be more considerate of others' feelings and
maybe think about your posts a little bit more before you send them.

Thank You,
Neil




Actually Neil, I'm quitting the chat groups altogether. Every time I
express an opinion, you think I'm "having a go" at you personally or some
such thing.

I never said you or Dave B. were wrong about anything. I never even
mentioned your names. And don't worry, I've pretty much had enough of your
crap too. And you might consider taking some of your own advice about
thinking through your comments before you send them too.

Farewell and best regards,

Will


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Well I got very excited about them when I was young.....and then they
disappeared as suddenly as they came and it was all over.

Looking at them now, I think the stories are really good - particularly for
kids.

Where "Apeslayer" took a generic comic and pasted ape heads on, "Return"
kinda took a general POTA theme and pasted POTA names on - to me.

I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so they used
Brent!

The "General Stripes" on the Helmet are distracting! Glad I have them
though.....

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:03 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


In a message dated 9/22/04 8:55:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

> I haven't seen these cartoons since they aired on TV and I watched my
> little brother watch them. I admit they didn't interest me. I don't
> know why I mention it, as it doesn't contribute to the flow of
> discussion, but they never seemed like POTA to me. Just my opinion.
>
> --Helen
>

They're a POTA mutant.

-- Rory







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You can't leave the group - that's NEIL'S trick! ;)

Come on lads, settle down!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Hoover [will5967@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


on 9/22/04 5:42 PM, Neil at nfoster@... wrote:
Actually Neil, I'm quitting the chat groups altogether. Every time I
express an opinion, you think I'm "having a go" at you personally or some
such thing.

I never said you or Dave B. were wrong about anything. I never even
mentioned your names. And don't worry, I've pretty much had enough of your
crap too. And you might consider taking some of your own advice about
thinking through your comments before you send them too.

Farewell and best regards,

Will







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Will someone find that baby chimp for Helen please!?!?!?!?!?!?

Helen, maybe you should explain (for new members) your quest......

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


Wishful thinking requires me to leave an empty place for Milo
pictures or information.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/22/04 8:17:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I spent the day working on a POTA scrapbook. Not too impressive,
but
> > it's POTA.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> What does it contain?
>
> -- Rory








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Actors don't control the use of their characters' names. If they did,
Cornelius would've been renamed for Beneath.

Heston could've stopped them from using his likeness for the cartoon,
and possibly could've prevented them from mimicking his voice, but
that's as far as his rights extended.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so they
> used
> Brent!
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:

> Actually Neil, I'm quitting the chat groups altogether. Every

time I express an opinion, you think I'm "having a go" at you
personally or some such thing.

-- I know you have left the group but if you are by chance still
readind the posts I'd like to clear something up.I NEVER said you
were having a go at me!There you go again assuming you know what I
am thinking.That's your main problem mate, it's all about your
opinions and no one elses.

> I never said you or Dave B. were wrong about anything. I never

even mentioned your names. And don't worry, I've pretty much had
enough of your crap too.

-- Read the above answer! You should have read properly I never used
the word crap to describe you I used it to describe the meaningless
arguments your self rightious posts started, more than once I might
add.

>And you might consider taking some of your own advice about

thinking through your comments before you send them too.

-- Mate I thought long and hard about getting involved this time. It
was only after you 'had a go' at Dave B that I chimed in. He was
only responding to your inflamitory post, and quite fairly I thought.

> Farewell and best regards,

-- See Ya, remember you are welcome back any time, just work on
those people skills whilst you are away.


Sorry about this post people but this bloke got away with bad
mouthing me before and I wasn't alowed to respond.

Neil

Hi Anthony!

I know, I was being a bit sarcastic and negative about Heston's influence
over the destiny of the POTA saga...SORRY!

He also made MEGO do an Antronaut that did not "resemble" him - I thought he
was a bit of a pain about it all!

Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the radio
song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


Actors don't control the use of their characters' names. If they did,
Cornelius would've been renamed for Beneath.

Heston could've stopped them from using his likeness for the cartoon,
and possibly could've prevented them from mimicking his voice, but
that's as far as his rights extended.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so they
> used
> Brent!
>
> Michael








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In a message dated 9/22/04 9:14:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> You can't leave the group - that's NEIL'S trick! ;)
>
> Come on lads, settle down!
>
> Michael
>

Is this the crap you were talking about? I thought you were talking about
all the different PlanetS of the Apes.

You know, there's the earth of PLANET and BENEATH, the the earth of ESCAPE,
CONQUEST and BATTLE, then there's the earth of the TV Show, and finally there's
the earth of that mutant cartoon show thing, and finally there's the planet
of POTA 2001, a world know as...



PLANET CRAP!


-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's the way I see it, but I envy those who do like POTA2001!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all crap, isn't it?


In a message dated 9/22/04 9:14:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> You can't leave the group - that's NEIL'S trick! ;)
>
> Come on lads, settle down!
>
> Michael
>

Is this the crap you were talking about? I thought you were talking about
all the different PlanetS of the Apes.

You know, there's the earth of PLANET and BENEATH, the the earth of ESCAPE,
CONQUEST and BATTLE, then there's the earth of the TV Show, and finally
there's
the earth of that mutant cartoon show thing, and finally there's the planet
of POTA 2001, a world know as...



PLANET CRAP!


-- Rory







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In a message dated 9/22/04 9:49:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

> Will someone find that baby chimp for Helen please!?!?!?!?!?!?
>
> Helen, maybe you should explain (for new members) your quest......
>
> Michael
>

That baby chimp was the daughter of LANCELOT LINK!

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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In a message dated 9/22/04 11:49:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nfoster@... writes:

> Sorry about this post people but this bloke got away with bad
> mouthing me before and I wasn't alowed to respond.
>
> Neil
>

Oh, you Aussie blokes just love to fight!

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oh boy - he's ENGLISH Rory! He HATES Aussies!

Now you've done it! You Yanks love to stir the pot! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 1:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


In a message dated 9/22/04 11:49:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nfoster@... writes:

> Sorry about this post people but this bloke got away with bad
> mouthing me before and I wasn't alowed to respond.
>
> Neil
>

Oh, you Aussie blokes just love to fight!

-- Rory







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

HEY! Thanks Michael! I have been so crazy busy with
work I had to read 238 messages tonight to catch up!
I'll get back to posting next week when things slow
down. Just want to say I'm looking forward to the new
Scrolls and Chronicles, can't wait for Sideshows to
show up and I think I do want one of those cool Gideon
posters. Can you repost how to get one?

Thanks!
Tim

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> HEY !!! Happy Birthday Tim!
>

Hey Dave...just posted a photo of this cover in the
group Photos>Collectibles folder.....

Tim

--- Dave B <smugster@...> wrote:

> One issuer of this magazine featured a cover
> painting based upon POTA. I've
> never seen a really good, clean scan of it, can
> anybody provide one or at
> least tell me who the artist was?
>
> From the small pix I HAVE seen it looks to be in the
> style of Frank Frazetta or
> Boris Vallejo, very 'heroic'.
>
> Dave
>
>

Just put $19.99 in my PayPal account which is my HOME address (not this
one):

whitty
@...

Leave the rest to Neil who will number, sign and send it.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Birthday Reminder


HEY! Thanks Michael! I have been so crazy busy with
work I had to read 238 messages tonight to catch up!
I'll get back to posting next week when things slow
down. Just want to say I'm looking forward to the new
Scrolls and Chronicles, can't wait for Sideshows to
show up and I think I do want one of those cool Gideon
posters. Can you repost how to get one?

Thanks!
Tim

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> HEY !!! Happy Birthday Tim!
>

Actually, the Mego/Heston thing was cleared up at this year's MegoCon;
Mego never even considered getting Heston's permission to use his
likeness, because it would've cost a little extra. They figured the
apes would sell well without him, and they were right.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hi Anthony!
>
> I know, I was being a bit sarcastic and negative about Heston's
> influence
> over the destiny of the POTA saga...SORRY!
>
> He also made MEGO do an Antronaut that did not "resemble" him - I
> thought he
> was a bit of a pain about it all!
>
> Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the
> radio
> song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?
>
>
> Actors don't control the use of their characters' names. If they did,
> Cornelius would've been renamed for Beneath.
>
> Heston could've stopped them from using his likeness for the cartoon,
> and possibly could've prevented them from mimicking his voice, but
> that's as far as his rights extended.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
> > I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so
> they
> > used
> > Brent!
> >
> > Michael

Oh well, call me Michael Moore (because I shamelessly attack Mr Heston!).
;)

Thanks for clearing that up Anthony.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


Actually, the Mego/Heston thing was cleared up at this year's MegoCon;
Mego never even considered getting Heston's permission to use his
likeness, because it would've cost a little extra. They figured the
apes would sell well without him, and they were right.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hi Anthony!
>
> I know, I was being a bit sarcastic and negative about Heston's
> influence
> over the destiny of the POTA saga...SORRY!
>
> He also made MEGO do an Antronaut that did not "resemble" him - I
> thought he
> was a bit of a pain about it all!
>
> Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the
> radio
> song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?
>
>
> Actors don't control the use of their characters' names. If they did,
> Cornelius would've been renamed for Beneath.
>
> Heston could've stopped them from using his likeness for the cartoon,
> and possibly could've prevented them from mimicking his voice, but
> that's as far as his rights extended.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
> > I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so
> they
> > used
> > Brent!
> >
> > Michael







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Oops. I hit "send" before I was finished.

I'm not sure if that was me or not. I've been looking for a clean and
complete copy of the song.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the
> radio
> song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??
>
> Michael

I thought so.

I have been trying hard to make out the words and I will be allocating a
specific month (soon) to the study and discussion of "Return" - as soon as
everybody on the group has it on DVD....then maybe we can all try to watch
an episode at a time and discuss it.

Can you please post the words as you have them so far? It's a great song!
;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 3:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


Oops. I hit "send" before I was finished.

I'm not sure if that was me or not. I've been looking for a clean and
complete copy of the song.

Anthony

On Sep 22, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the
> radio
> song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??
>
> Michael







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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> > Actually Neil, I'm quitting the chat groups altogether. Every
> time I express an opinion, you think I'm "having a go" at you
> personally or some such thing.

That was unfortunate.

Anyone, PLEASE feel free to post your views on whatever theory you
subscibe to, I always enjoy reading them and look forward to hearing what
you have to say - but, as Neil suggests, do try to avoid any thinly disguised
contempt for the views of others.

Dave B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> Hey Dave...just posted a photo of this cover in the
> group Photos>Collectibles folder.....
>
> Tim

Thanks Tim, you're a little darling :0)

Is this from your own collection or is it something you found on the net? If it's
yours can you make out that signature?

Dave

It was one of those nights where it seemd as though I'd seen eveything in my
DVD collection too many times...

So I thought I'd watch Burton's POTA again and do you know what? I won't
say it was good - but it was no where near as bad as I remembered it. Should
I be seeking medical attention?

Dave

In a message dated 9/23/04 2:48:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
smugster@... writes:

> So I thought I'd watch Burton's POTA again and do you know what? I won't
> say it was good - but it was no where near as bad as I remembered it. Should
>
> I be seeking medical attention?
>
> Dave
>

Yes. A reverse lobotomy.

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Since it came up, there are a "couple" things that we could use in
the scrapbook.

1.) I know that somewhere there exists a photo sequence of Roddy
being made up to be Cornelius. I even thought I had it, but I can't
find it. Maybe someone here knows where that is?

2.) Also, it would be cool to have clear screen grabs of the Simpsons
POTA opera -- A Fish Called Selma? I don't know if that is possible
or available. It would be cool to have the Planet of the Apes
Marquee, "He can talk", "I can sssiiing", "Get your paws off
me", "OMG, I was wrong" with statue, Fireworks scene, and "I love you
Dr. Zaius."

So, if anyone has these or the technology to grab them and would like
to share, that would be great! Thanks.

--Helen

Just because this group isn't moderated there is no need to be
BLASHEMOUS!

Actually Dave, I saw it 4 times at the movies in case my opinion might
change, and I was NOT so lucky! I envy you.

I'm holding my tongue so as not to offend those who DO like it...maybe
we chould get back to "Monkey Planet". Neil, your SAIL has moved
location!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Dave B[SMTP:SMUGSTER@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:46:49 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] HELP!!!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

It was one of those nights where it seemd as though I'd seen eveything
in my

DVD collection too many times...

So I thought I'd watch Burton's POTA again and do you know what? I won't

say it was good - but it was no where near as bad as I remembered it.
Should

I be seeking medical attention?

Dave

Michael, you saw a movie you didn't like four times? Does your therapist know
this? There are good parts to this movie. We'll get back to Monkey Planet.
Elaine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I think we should take a collection for Dave. He needs therapy.

Now, please tell me... Where is the picture of Neil's solar sail?

I envision a sail that is actually made of metallic "fabric" (maybe
like mylar) slats -- much like a Venetian blind. They lock into
a "closed" position to catch the full force of the "wind", but can be
opened with smooth adjustments to catch varying amounts of the "wind"
for the purpose of adjusting the speed and direction of the craft.
The slats would have to be collapsible to that they can be slid
together around the body of the craft to "shrink" its size.

I haven't read chapter two recently so I'd guess I'd better do that,
but that is what I envision for whatever reason.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Neil, your SAIL has moved
> location!
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Dave B[SMTP:SMUGSTER@B...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:46:49 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] HELP!!!!!
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> It was one of those nights where it seemd as though I'd seen
eveything
> in my
>
> DVD collection too many times...
>
> So I thought I'd watch Burton's POTA again and do you know what? I
won't
>
> say it was good - but it was no where near as bad as I remembered
it.
> Should
>
> I be seeking medical attention?
>
> Dave

I am enjoying the artwork to the chapters, it is great to read the chapters
and then have something visual to look at. Even thought I see the movies, tv
show etc as different universes I am quite impresed with those who can come up
with a timeline to link them all together. Elaine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

True confessions: I saw Star Wars four times and I slept through
each time. I don't know why. I just couldn't get into it.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Michael, you saw a movie you didn't like four times? Does your
therapist know
> this? There are good parts to this movie. We'll get back to Monkey
Planet.
> Elaine
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Will, don't leave, I like reading your posts. Elaine


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This is a message from my 10-year-old son after reading the first two
chapters:

"Would you please ask whoever wrote the book not to put in so much
violence and bad words. On the first page they were already
fighting. That's all I have to say about it. I'm not mad or
anything. It's funny. Would you ask them if Galen is a chimp like
on TV? That's all. I'm done."

Submitted by his mother...

--Helen

Will,

I hope you're reading this...

I agree.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Will, don't leave, I like reading your posts. Elaine
>
>

In a message dated 9/23/04 8:41:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

> Since it came up, there are a "couple" things that we could use in
> the scrapbook.
>
> 1.) I know that somewhere there exists a photo sequence of Roddy
> being made up to be Cornelius. I even thought I had it, but I can't
> find it. Maybe someone here knows where that is?
>
> 2.) Also, it would be cool to have clear screen grabs of the Simpsons
> POTA opera -- A Fish Called Selma? I don't know if that is possible
> or available. It would be cool to have the Planet of the Apes
> Marquee, "He can talk", "I can sssiiing", "Get your paws off
> me", "OMG, I was wrong" with statue, Fireworks scene, and "I love you
> Dr. Zaius."
>
> So, if anyone has these or the technology to grab them and would like
> to share, that would be great! Thanks.
>
> --Helen
>
>

You must have a printer to make this stuff off the web, I guess, right? If
so, James could probably do the Roddy McDowall thing off images from his home
movies on the new POTA DVD, also the Simpson stuff. I'd assume you know how to
get in touch with him.

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 9/23/04 11:55:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

> True confessions: I saw Star Wars four times and I slept through
> each time. I don't know why. I just couldn't get into it.
>
> --Helen
>

I slept through most of the LOTR movies, both in the theatre and on my couch.

-- Rory


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/23/04 8:41:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > Since it came up, there are a "couple" things that we could use

in

> > the scrapbook.
> >
> > 1.) I know that somewhere there exists a photo sequence of Roddy
> > being made up to be Cornelius. I even thought I had it, but I

can't

> > find it. Maybe someone here knows where that is?
> >
> > 2.) Also, it would be cool to have clear screen grabs of the

Simpsons

> > POTA opera -- A Fish Called Selma? I don't know if that is

possible

> > or available. It would be cool to have the Planet of the Apes
> > Marquee, "He can talk", "I can sssiiing", "Get your paws off
> > me", "OMG, I was wrong" with statue, Fireworks scene, and "I love

you

> > Dr. Zaius."
> >
> > So, if anyone has these or the technology to grab them and would

like

> > to share, that would be great! Thanks.
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
>
> You must have a printer to make this stuff off the web, I guess,

right? If

> so, James could probably do the Roddy McDowall thing off images

from his home

> movies on the new POTA DVD, also the Simpson stuff. I'd assume you

know how to

> get in touch with him.
>
> -- Rory
>

First off, thanks to Neil for the Roddy sequence. I guess it came
from Marvel Comics. It's perfect.

Second, thanks Rory for suggesting James. I actually thought of him,
but thought I remembered him getting screen grabs from other people.
You're right. He can probably do this. I'll ask.

--Helen

Hi Elaine,

Yes I did. I tried DESPERATELY to like it. I don't think I have been
so let down ever in my life....well, maybe when my twin "boys" showed up
missing the things that make 'em boys.....silly Ultra-Sounds!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:35:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HELP!!!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Michael, you saw a movie you didn't like four times? Does your therapist
know
this? There are good parts to this movie. We'll get back to Monkey
Planet.
Elaine

OK then you might want to summarize for the lazy suckers who won't read
it!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:45:28 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: HELP!!!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule

I haven't read chapter two recently so I'd guess I'd better do that,
but that is what I envision for whatever reason.

--Helen

Me too - I appreciate this Neil, I know your editor is pressing you to
get on with the next comic! ;)

It would be great if he sends the pictures to the publisher of Monkey
Planet and suggests they do an illustrated version!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:48:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] It's all whatever you decide it is, isn't

it?

> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I am enjoying the artwork to the chapters, it is great to read the
chapters
and then have something visual to look at.

Elaine

So Mike... couldn't put the "stem" on the apples huh? :)

-Chris

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
Hi Elaine,

Yes I did. I tried DESPERATELY to like it. I don't think I have been
so let down ever in my life....well, maybe when my twin "boys" showed up
missing the things that make 'em boys.....silly Ultra-Sounds!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 1:35:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] HELP!!!!!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Michael, you saw a movie you didn't like four times? Does your therapist
know
this? There are good parts to this movie. We'll get back to Monkey
Planet.
Elaine






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Indeed! At the 4 month ultrasound I was told I had a pair of
boys...so my wife and I proceeded to throw away all our older two
girls' clothes and stuff and we spent up big on boy stuff!

And I mean it when I say my incapacity to embrace Burton's movie as
Planet of the Apes was actually about on the same level for shock
and disappointment. It's OK though - the twins THINK they are
boys. ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...>
wrote:

> So Mike... couldn't put the "stem" on the apples huh? :)
>
> -Chris
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Hi Elaine,
>
> Yes I did. I tried DESPERATELY to like it. I don't think I have

been

> so let down ever in my life....well, maybe when my twin "boys"

showed up

> missing the things that make 'em boys.....silly Ultra-Sounds!
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> First off, thanks to Neil for the Roddy sequence. I guess it came

from Marvel Comics. It's perfect.

-- No worries Helen, always glad to help out and yes the picture
sequence was scanned from an article in one of the marvel magazines.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Me too - I appreciate this Neil,

-- Not a problem, it's actually been quite fun so far comming up
with an illustration for each chapter.

>I know your editor is pressing you to get on with the next

comic! ;)

-- He really should come up to sunny Queensland for a creative 'get
together' ;-)

> It would be great if he sends the pictures to the publisher of

Monkey Planet and suggests they do an illustrated version!

-- Maybe, I'll probably leave that to my agent though...

Neil

Apparently he lands tomorrow in Brisbane at 1pm!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2004 8:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Illustrated Boulle

>I know your editor is pressing you to get on with the next

comic! ;)

-- He really should come up to sunny Queensland for a creative 'get
together' ;-)







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Yes, great work getting in touch with all these big names in the world of
POTA comics.

However, I must say I am bitterly disappionted with the attitude of some of
these people who not only say they are NOT POTA fans, but go on to suggest
they don't even LIKE POTA and I wish the ionterviews for a couple of these
fellows had stopped there, instead of going into non-POTA stuff they did.

Anyone else care to comment?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Maxwell [alan@...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 5:07 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Simian Scrolls #9


Another good job from all concerned - and all wrapped up in a cover by Kent
Burles who did the art on the first several issues of the Adventure comic.
I'm in Apes comic geek heaven.

Alan







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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Yes, great work getting in touch with all these big names in the

world of POTA comics.

> However, I must say I am bitterly disappionted with the attitude

of some of these people who not only say they are NOT POTA fans, but
go on to suggest they don't even LIKE POTA and I wish the interviews
for a couple of these fellows had stopped there, instead of going
into non-POTA stuff they did.

> Anyone else care to comment?

-- Actually that is the same reaction I had! There really wasn't
much information about the Marvel strips from these comic greats and
yes it really is a pity that most of them didn't have their hearts
in it.
These interviews would have been much better served being in a fan
magazine about comics not one devoted to POTA seeing as they contain
very few questions & answers about 'Apes'.

The comment by Tony Isabella that he thought Mike Ploog doing the
art for 'Terror' "was a waste of his talents" really did annoy me,
sorry to say.

Thankfully John Bolton and the rest of the interviewees did have a
liking for POTA and actually talked about it!

The article by Alan Maxwell was also a delight, well written and
showing a lot of enthusiasm for the subject, it's just a pity the
subject is the Adventure comics :-(

Damn, I'm sounding like a critic here! Sorry, I just feel those
early interviews with the Marvel guys are a bit of a waste of time
and space.

Neil

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Here's a little item I found at FSM.com. It made #29 on a list of the top
100 movie themes.

"PLANET OF THE HUMANS," Escape From The Planet of the Apes - Jerry Goldsmith
(1971) Goldsmith faced an unusual challenge with his score for Escape From the
Planet of the Apes (besides the daunting task of writing a sequel score to
his own Planet of the Apes, not only one of his greatest works but also arguably
the most groundbreaking and influential score of its era). In the original
film, he used serial techniques and offbeat orchestrations to evoke the
alienness of a post-apocalyptic Earth for its time traveling heroes. In Escape, he had
a similar but opposite task -- to portray modern day America as an alien
landscape. Goldsmith's main theme miraculously manages to be goofy and bitchin' at
the same time (the exotically funky orchestrations help), and also serves as
a thrilling piece of action music. The main motif is given a slow, plaintive
rendition at the finale, the rare movie ending that manages to be both tragic
and sequel friendly.







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Looks AWESOME Terry!

Michael

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PLANET OF THE APES INTERNATIONAL FAN CLUB - OFFICIAL FANZINE -
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ARTICLES INCLUDE:
THE TV SERIES TURNS 30 !

BEWARE THE BEAST ! - The new online comic book - Interviews with the
creators - Michael Whitty, Dave Ballard and Neil T. Foster

LAST STAND IN THE FORBIDDEN ZONE - Dave Ballard introduces Gideon

GALEN: THE LATER YEARS - Complete scripts of 1981 TV movies

SPANISH CHOCOLATE CARDS - The Cite series of 1970

DAWN OF TREE PEOPLE - 1974 power records story script

APE ENCYCLOPEDIA - A-Z INDEX TO "THE GOOD SEEDS" - Episode 4 of the
1974 TV series

1965 UNUSED MOVIE SCRIPT - Part 11 by Rod Serling

POTA ON EBAY - The current market for POTA items

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Hi everyone - if you email ME for the next week, go to my HOME address
please - not work.

Michael






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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> This is a message from my 10-year-old son after reading the first two
> chapters:

Dear... (sorry, you don't give your name)

My apologies for the bad language. When I wrote the story it never occurred
to me that it might be read by youngsters. I think it would be wise if you didn't
read any further but I promise I will bear a younger audience in mind from
now on.

I'll tell you what - my 11 year old son has promised to write me a POTA story
this coming weekend. If he does I'll send you the result - how does that
sound?

On the first page they were not trying to hurt each other, they were just
training and yes, Galen is a chimpanzee, just like in the TV show.

Now, I'll tell you a secret but you have to promise not to tell anyone... I don't
like 'Killer instinct' either.

God bless,
Dave B

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> These interviews would have been much better served being in a fan
> magazine about comics not one devoted to POTA seeing as they contain
> very few questions & answers about 'Apes'.

I agree, but unfortunately we can only use what we are given or choose not
publish at all.

> The comment by Tony Isabella that he thought Mike Ploog doing the
> art for 'Terror' "was a waste of his talents" really did annoy me,
> sorry to say.

Me too, which explains and hopefully justifies my sarcastic caption for the
Ploog illustration.

> Damn, I'm sounding like a critic here! Sorry, I just feel those
> early interviews with the Marvel guys are a bit of a waste of time
> and space.

No, that's fair enough. "You can't please all of the people all of the time". I will
say that the feedback from the UK has been very positive (so far) and the
letter below is a typical response. MY pet peeve concerning interviews is
when you put a lot of thought into a question and the response is "I can't
remember."

Dave B


"Dear John,
Thanks for SS#9 - I think it's a brilliant issue. Please pass my
congratulations on to everyone involved. The layout has come on in leaps
and bounds - it looks seriously good now. The repro of the pics is
particularly pleasing - suitably for a comic-themed issue - and the
sub-editor in me is pleased to see so much text in such good shape. And, of
course, well done for getting so many interviews. The work that went into
this issue shines through on each page. In comic-book idiom: it's all
killer, no filler.

I'm not done reading it yet (there seems to be twice as much content as
usual and I'm pacing myself), but the highlight so far is Alan Maxwell's
considered piece on the Adventure series, which sent me scuttling back to
my collection for a read and reminded me that I'm still missing a few
issues. In fact, this issue of Scrolls has generally rejuvenated my
interest in the comics side of Apes. I expect it'll have the same effect on
others."

Yup, Rory. Got them. Thanks.

--Helen

PS -- Thanks again, James!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/23/04 8:41:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > Since it came up, there are a "couple" things that we could use
in
> > the scrapbook.
>> > --Helen
> >
> >
>
> You must have a printer to make this stuff off the web, I guess,
right? If
> so, James could probably do the Roddy McDowall thing off images
from his home
> movies on the new POTA DVD, also the Simpson stuff. I'd assume you
know how to
> get in touch with him.
>
> -- Rory
>

Dave...I went to llok at the signature on the actual
mag...It's "Marcus"...looked all inside for a first
name but couldn't find one...Then I flipped the mag
over and the whole back cover is more of the painting.
Zaius and Liberty....I scanned it ..it's pretty big
though.....I'm going to send it to you ...maybe you
can make it smaller for the files and maybe tweak it
to get rid of staples, etc. It's a cool painting--

Tim

- Dave B <smugster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > Hey Dave...just posted a photo of this cover in
> the
> > group Photos>Collectibles folder.....
> >
> > Tim
>
> Thanks Tim, you're a little darling :0)
>
> Is this from your own collection or is it something
> you found on the net? If it's
> yours can you make out that signature?
>
> Dave
>
>

Michael, Just sent payment through Paypal! Thanks! Do
you have my address?

Tim

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> Just put $19.99 in my PayPal account which is my
> HOME address (not this
> one):
>
> whitty
> @...
>
> Leave the rest to Neil who will number, sign and
> send it.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:09 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Birthday Reminder
>
>
> HEY! Thanks Michael! I have been so crazy busy with
> work I had to read 238 messages tonight to catch up!
> I'll get back to posting next week when things slow
> down. Just want to say I'm looking forward to the
> new
> Scrolls and Chronicles, can't wait for Sideshows to
> show up and I think I do want one of those cool
> Gideon
> posters. Can you repost how to get one?
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
>
> --- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
> wrote:
>
> > HEY !!! Happy Birthday Tim!
> >
>
>

I consider myself to be a heck of a Planet of the Apes fan and
collector. I have all of the Medicom Figures (Except for the
Cornelius variant I can't seem to locate) and had them encased by
Action figure Authority. I also have all of the Mego Planet of the
Apes figures in sealed Action Figure Authority cases, the playsets in
their boxes sealed, and the Kubrickis sealed in their boxes. I also
have the Addar models, and yes, the Ape on the horse. (One opened and
painted, one still sealed) The collector cards, DVD's VHS. I even
have two sets of the Planet of the Apes TV series on VHS from
Austraila. I have two of each figure from Side Show ordered. This is
just a small list of what I own. I say this not to boast, but to say
I am a Planet of the Apes fan. But you know what, I do not own the
Tim Burton "remake" or what ever you call it nor will I own it. I saw
it twice at the movies and I said it then and say it now; give me the
originals any day. Fox would of made more money and more fans happier
if they woyuld have reisuued the origianls on the big screen!!!


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Just because this group isn't moderated there is no need to be
> BLASHEMOUS!
>
> Actually Dave, I saw it 4 times at the movies in case my opinion

might

> change, and I was NOT so lucky! I envy you.
>
> I'm holding my tongue so as not to offend those who DO like

it...maybe

> we chould get back to "Monkey Planet". Neil, your SAIL has moved
> location!
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Dave B[SMTP:SMUGSTER@B...]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:46:49 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] HELP!!!!!
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> It was one of those nights where it seemd as though I'd seen

eveything

> in my
>
> DVD collection too many times...
>
> So I thought I'd watch Burton's POTA again and do you know what? I

won't

>
> say it was good - but it was no where near as bad as I remembered

it.

> Should
>
> I be seeking medical attention?
>
> Dave

Hey! A bit late, but happy birthday, Tim! I hope it will be the ape-
iest year yet.

--Helen

I received my BTB poster this past Thursday and it is quite beautiful. I am
looking for a frame for it. Elaine


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In a message dated 9/24/04 6:11:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
JLKINSER1970@... writes:

> But you know what, I do not own the
> Tim Burton "remake" or what ever you call it nor will I own it. I saw
> it twice at the movies and I said it then and say it now; give me the
> originals any day. Fox would of made more money and more fans happier
> if they woyuld have reisuued the origianls on the big screen!!!
>

Well, I guess you're OK.

-- Rory


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I've been browsing in the files, and saw the beautiful color
renditions of BtB. I really love it. Are there any plans to do the
whole thing? Who did this? It is absolutely gorgeous.

Also I'm loving the chapter drawings, Neil. One day I'll be
saying "Ah, I knew him," one day...

Or not.
snicker

KIDDING!
Kass

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...> wrote:

> I've been browsing in the files, and saw the beautiful color

renditions of BtB. I really love it. Are there any plans to do the
whole thing? Who did this? It is absolutely gorgeous.

-- They were coloured by the one and only Dave Ballard.
Unfortunately due to other commitments Dave no longer has the time
to colour any more or be a part of the comic team. They really do
look good don't they?

> Also I'm loving the chapter drawings, Neil. One day I'll be

saying "Ah, I knew him," one day... Or not. snicker

-- Like I said in an earlier post I'm really having a blast doing
them! Glad they are appreciated.

Now let's see, Kass hmmm, sure I knew her way back when... no wait,
I must be mistaken... ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> I received my BTB poster this past Thursday and it is quite

beautiful. I am looking for a frame for it. Elaine

-- Hey Elaine glad that it arrived safely and also that you are
happy with it. I've said it before but I really was impressed with
the way they turned out!
A lot of thanks have to be given to Greg Plonowski and Dave Ballard
who both helped put the thing together.

Neil

Sorry to hear you were disappointed to have twin girls. Elaine


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I get that comment a lot you know Elaine!

you would have to understand a fuller picture to know the feeling I
experienced, and it is very hard to explain. I couldn't love them
any more if I tried, but having had 2 girls and hoping for a boy
before I die (and with my wife having decided to have an operation to
assure no further babies), it was a hard hit!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Sorry to hear you were disappointed to have twin girls. Elaine
>
>
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Thanks Helen! It was good but was a bit hungover the
following day. Damn shots!

Tim

--- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

> Hey! A bit late, but happy birthday, Tim! I hope
> it will be the ape-
> iest year yet.
>
> --Helen
>
>

Regarding the subject of interviews, it is very difficult. Like Dave said,
we can only go with what we've got. Ultimately we could reduce it to chat
about Apes but then they would be very short interviews indeed. One question
if you're lucky. Not only that, but how would it look if these people had
taken time out their schedule to fill in a lot of q&a for us only to see in
the finished article that we didn't even bother to use it?

It's unfortunate that because so much of Apes comicdom was so long ago this
is going to be the case more often than not, but I think you'll agree it's
better to get an interview about their work in general and maybe get some
Apes info in the process than not get anything at all.

As for people not liking Apes - too bad but I'll live. The important thing
is that they are willing to answer our questions all the same. I would
rather have an honest interview than a nice one. If they don't like Apes I'd
prefer to hear that rather than them pretending in order to humour us.

Anyway, glad to hear that people have enjoyed the latest issue. If my piece
on the Adventure Comics series has got even one person going back and taking
another look I'm happy. It's always bugged me that when talking about this
series people always focus on the disappointments (how many times have you
heard people mention the "apes on bikes" aspect?) but forget all about the
positive aspects. I could go on all day about this, but I think I'll stop
here and let you read it all for yourselves in SS9!

Alan

"Dave B" <smugster@... > wrote:

>
> Is this from your own collection or is it something you found on the net?

If it's

> yours can you make out that signature?

I have this cover somewhere and if I'm not mistaken (on my copy at least - I
am assuming they are all the same) it was actually pretty poorly printed. It
had that out-of-synch kind of look (whatever it's called), the same look
that has plagued some of the Argentinian comic covers.

Alan

There are plenty of boys to adopt everywhere! Elaine


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Today I sent out SS to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P, Mike C, Jim C, Dario, and I'll send one out for Kevin H. on Monday (accidently left his envelope home). So be on the lookout.

Kass



---------------------------------

I just think the dog was put there for atmosphere. That was the closest the TV show could afford for a hunt scene. I don't see it as a statement about the movies, or lack thereof. The TV show writers couldn't even juggle Virdon's disc and we're giving them credit for remembering minutia from the movies? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: ape_mom
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:21 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [Dogs


It does seem the dog was put in there intentionally to make a
statement (as Kass suggests) rather than to enhance the plot. The
story could have been written easily enough without the dog! And
anyone following the movies KNEW there were no dogs or cats.

--Helen


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...>
> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:49 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [Dogs
>
>
> >
> > To my mind, the dog was purposeful. I don't feel the writers were
> drenched in canon before they wrote the script (insert cynical
laugh), but
> surely they knew the major points of the movies? The dog was quite
> prominent, almost as if to make a point, to say, "and the tv show is
> different from the movies because of..."
> >
> > Kass










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In fact, CBS was kinda hoping adults would watch POTA. Roddy said the
reason the show was cancelled was that too many kids were watching. Sponsors
want to advertise adult products during prime time (cars, beer, Cialis).
Kids just don't have enough dough. Though Roddy offered, "kids are
important". Thus the TV show was cancelled and POTA became a Saturday
morning cartoon. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:26 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dogs


> I think they tried to "milk the planet that went Apes" by taking the
> milk money of children. We have tried to establish who the fan base
> was/is. The main audience seems to have been kids. It appears that
> the show was meant to be family viewing. It would make sense to me
> to mirror the story that was successful while creating a new story
> for family TV. The west coast location. New characters. Milder
> situations. The family dog. I dunno. Makes sense to me.
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >
> > And why would they even WANT to "make a statement" that distanced
> > their new show from the established movies? The whole point of it
> was
> > to make MORE of these POTA shows -- to give fans of the movies
> > something else to see. Their audience was POTA fans, and there were
> a
> > lot of 'em. Why jerk 'em around purposely? Was that something the
> > fans would WANT to have happen?
> >
> > Patrick
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I thought the spaceflight in the book seemed more believable than in the movies. Seemed like a real undertaking, and the motives were clearer. In some ways the movies are better but I think the book wins in set up. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: taebokitti@...
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Boulle's Novel (Planet of the Apes - or Monkey Planet?) Chapter 2


From reading this chapter, I gather that the astronauts plan on being in
space for awhile or at least away from Earth for a long period of time. I noticed
that being in space is described by as being heavy in the first year of
acceleration. Maybe they were in space a few years before they land on pota. The
amount of supplies on the ship is also a clue that a family will
eventually live on the ship. Elaine


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I think it's possible to link the TV show to the first two movies, if you
accept two timelines (Corn & Zira going back in time starting a second
timeline). In "Escape", Cornelius, referring to how apes rose before
"Planet" and "Beneath", doesn't say all dogs and cats died (as Armando does
in "Conquest"). He says, "Man was without pets". And given possible poor ape
record keeping, I think that one could assume some dogs survived, perhaps
wild before being integrated into ape society. The apes take over earlier in
"Conquest" than in the TV show, so a second timeline is the only way to
include the TV show. - - - Jeff

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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 9:01 PM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dogs


> Due to the differences in the TV show I have always seen it as a separate
> entity from the movies. This would allow for dogs and cats to be present.
Elaine
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Hi Michael,

The chronology in "Ape Chronicles" is meant to connect the dots on all the movie-inspired POTA stories (official, not fan fiction). It excludes the book and Burton's movie. It's not meant to be THE chronology, just A chronology. I just wanted to see how the pieces would fit and do my best to put round pegs in square holes. Of course, the first part was published a decade ago, before there was all this give and take on the 'net. Writing about POTA was much more lonelier and introspective then. I've tried to keep a record of peoples' points and include them in the conclusion. But I don't have any writing in the new "Ape Chronicles" Terry has mentioned. I hope to bring "Veetus" back soon.
We are fine here in jail and they treat us well. Best to all, Jeff.

----- Original Message -----
From: Whitty, Michael
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] It's all whatever you decide it is, isn't it?


I have an idea - why don't we comment on POTA instead?

Rory, I know you are a big fan of Boulle's novel.

Did you re-read the second chapter I posted to the group the other day?

Did anyone?

Neil has drawn a great picture - one you might expect to see in an
illustrated version of the novel - has anyone seen this? Would anyone care
to comment? is this different to the way YOU would visualise what is being
described?

Rory, I couldn't agree more with your statement that it is PlanetS of the
Apes......I interpret this to mean that there are meany different takes and
universes WITHIN the whole and that's how I see it. I try to logically
piece it together soit works as well as possible for me, and that's what
MANY people do, but I think it is more than obvious that there is a LACK of
continuity even in the FILMS, let alone when you include the TV Show and the
Cartoons and the Comics.

Jeff, I wonder if you could reveal some SNIPPETS of your timeline as a
"shameless promotion" for that back-issue of Ape Chronicles? ;)

Are you still doing Veetus strips for the new issues?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 9:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


In a message dated 9/22/04 6:44:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nfoster@... writes:


> I will just ask you to be more considerate of others' feelings and
> maybe think about your posts a little bit more before you send them.
>
>

Hey! What's all this flaming flamers stuff?

-- Rory







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I wrote down the lyrics to the "Return" song long ago. It's pretty simple.
There must not be too much to doing an actor's likeness. Look at what
Sideshow is doing. Maybe back in the day. Today the likeness on toys is
incredible. I remember Marvel was allowed to show pictures from the TV show,
but not of the film human actors like Heston. And they were allowed to do
comic adaptations of the films but not the TV show. Go figure. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:48 PM
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


> Hi Anthony!
>
> I know, I was being a bit sarcastic and negative about Heston's influence
> over the destiny of the POTA saga...SORRY!
>
> He also made MEGO do an Antronaut that did not "resemble" him - I thought
he
> was a bit of a pain about it all!
>
> Anthony, was it you who was trying to put together the words of the radio
> song in "Return" - "I'm Going Human Over You" was it??
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
> Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 12:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Return: It's all POTA. Isn't it?
>
>
> Actors don't control the use of their characters' names. If they did,
> Cornelius would've been renamed for Beneath.
>
> Heston could've stopped them from using his likeness for the cartoon,
> and possibly could've prevented them from mimicking his voice, but
> that's as far as his rights extended.
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sep 22, 2004, at 8:10 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
> > I'm sure Heston disallowed the use of HIS character's name....so they
> > used
> > Brent!
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Happy Birthday, Tim. Which Ape movie was he in? - - - Jeff

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Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 8:54 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Birthday Reminder



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I think the whole POTA saga is only a dream. Then Tarzan wakes up and realizes he'd dozed off. That's how I see it. Anybody who disagrees is just a bunch of fanboys (or fanladies)! - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave B
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 11:40 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: It's all POTA. Isn't it?


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Will Hoover <will5967@v...> wrote:
> > Actually Neil, I'm quitting the chat groups altogether. Every
> time I express an opinion, you think I'm "having a go" at you
> personally or some such thing.

That was unfortunate.

Anyone, PLEASE feel free to post your views on whatever theory you
subscibe to, I always enjoy reading them and look forward to hearing what
you have to say - but, as Neil suggests, do try to avoid any thinly disguised
contempt for the views of others.

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I like the comment that Goldsmith had "to portray modern day America as an
alien landscape" in "Escape". That sums it up perfectly. - - - Jeff

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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 6:45 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Great theme: PLANET OF THE HUMANS


> Here's a little item I found at FSM.com. It made #29 on a list of the top
> 100 movie themes.
>
> "PLANET OF THE HUMANS," Escape From The Planet of the Apes - Jerry
Goldsmith
> (1971) Goldsmith faced an unusual challenge with his score for Escape From
the
> Planet of the Apes (besides the daunting task of writing a sequel score to
> his own Planet of the Apes, not only one of his greatest works but also
arguably
> the most groundbreaking and influential score of its era). In the original
> film, he used serial techniques and offbeat orchestrations to evoke the
> alienness of a post-apocalyptic Earth for its time traveling heroes. In
Escape, he had
> a similar but opposite task -- to portray modern day America as an alien
> landscape. Goldsmith's main theme miraculously manages to be goofy and
bitchin' at
> the same time (the exotically funky orchestrations help), and also serves
as
> a thrilling piece of action music. The main motif is given a slow,
plaintive
> rendition at the finale, the rare movie ending that manages to be both
tragic
> and sequel friendly.
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Yeah, like Dave and Alan said. There's a big wide world out there. Why
discount someone just because they don't talk about "Apes" or even like
"Apes". For many people "Apes" was an assignment, whether they were actors,
artists, hairstylists. Their contributions made it what it is and it's
interesting to see how their background, interests, etc. influenced their
contribution. Even Roddy couldn't think of anything to say about "Battle" in
the "Behind the POTA" special ed. DVD. And when you're put on the spot by
those bullies at "Scrolls", sometimes it's hard to remember your own name.
Keep those interviews coming! And interviews about Adventure comics are fine
by me, too. I liked them. Well, some of them. A few of them. A couple of
them. Uh...I don't know. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Simian Scrolls #9


> Regarding the subject of interviews, it is very difficult. Like Dave said,
> we can only go with what we've got. Ultimately we could reduce it to chat
> about Apes but then they would be very short interviews indeed. One
question
> if you're lucky. Not only that, but how would it look if these people had
> taken time out their schedule to fill in a lot of q&a for us only to see
in
> the finished article that we didn't even bother to use it?
>
> It's unfortunate that because so much of Apes comicdom was so long ago
this
> is going to be the case more often than not, but I think you'll agree it's
> better to get an interview about their work in general and maybe get some
> Apes info in the process than not get anything at all.
>
> As for people not liking Apes - too bad but I'll live. The important thing
> is that they are willing to answer our questions all the same. I would
> rather have an honest interview than a nice one. If they don't like Apes
I'd
> prefer to hear that rather than them pretending in order to humour us.
>
> Anyway, glad to hear that people have enjoyed the latest issue. If my
piece
> on the Adventure Comics series has got even one person going back and
taking
> another look I'm happy. It's always bugged me that when talking about this
> series people always focus on the disappointments (how many times have you
> heard people mention the "apes on bikes" aspect?) but forget all about the
> positive aspects. I could go on all day about this, but I think I'll stop
> here and let you read it all for yourselves in SS9!
>
> Alan
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In a message dated 9/26/04 12:00:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> The TV show writers couldn't even juggle Virdon's disc and we're giving
> them credit for remembering minutia from the movies? - - - Jeff
>

That's an excellent point, my friend. The writers changed from episode to
episode and they did forget about that disc thing.

-- Rory


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In a message dated 9/26/04 12:26:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> In some ways the movies are better but I think the book wins in set up. - -
> - Jeff
>

I think the book it much better than even the first movie, but it definitely
lacks action scenes. Even the hunt in the book is only three pages! But, Dr.
Zaius is better in the movie than in the book.

-- Rory


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In a message dated 9/26/04 12:46:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> I think it's possible to link the TV show to the first two movies, if you
> accept two timelines (Corn & Zira going back in time starting a second
> timeline). In "Escape", Cornelius, referring to how apes rose before
> "Planet" and "Beneath", doesn't say all dogs and cats died (as Armando does
> in "Conquest"). He says, "Man was without pets". And given possible poor ape
> record keeping, I think that one could assume some dogs survived, perhaps
> wild before being integrated into ape society. The apes take over earlier in
> "Conquest" than in the TV show, so a second timeline is the only way to
> include the TV show. - - - Jeff
>

Actually I always consider the TV show to be part of the second APES timeline
started with ESCAPE. The show is a sequel to BATTLE, though it does take
place on the opposite coast of the US, though many insist that CONQUEST and
BATTLE took place on the west coast. If that's true than the TV Show is very much
a sequel to BATTLE.

-- Rory


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In a message dated 9/26/04 2:50:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> I think the whole POTA saga is only a dream. Then Tarzan wakes up and
> realizes he'd dozed off. That's how I see it. Anybody who disagrees is just a
> bunch of fanboys (or fanladies)! - - - Jeff
>

That's what I thought when I was eight years old and saw the movie for the
first time. I saw Taylor go to sleep at the beginning of the movie and I
thought he'd wake up at the end. Then the movie ended the way it did and I was
psychologically scarred for life! DAMN THAT MOVIE ALL TO HELL!

-- Rory


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Thanks Kass! I'll look for it!

Tim

--- Kassidy Rae <valwp@...> wrote:

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> Today I sent out SS to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P, Mike
> C, Jim C, Dario, and I'll send one out for Kevin H.
> on Monday (accidently left his envelope home). So
> be on the lookout.
>
> Kass
>
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But the TV show says humans were still in power in 2503 (the picture
book). - - - Jeff

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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 4:50 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Dogs


> In a message dated 9/26/04 12:46:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > I think it's possible to link the TV show to the first two movies, if
you
> > accept two timelines (Corn & Zira going back in time starting a second
> > timeline). In "Escape", Cornelius, referring to how apes rose before
> > "Planet" and "Beneath", doesn't say all dogs and cats died (as Armando
does
> > in "Conquest"). He says, "Man was without pets". And given possible poor
ape
> > record keeping, I think that one could assume some dogs survived,
perhaps
> > wild before being integrated into ape society. The apes take over
earlier in
> > "Conquest" than in the TV show, so a second timeline is the only way to
> > include the TV show. - - - Jeff
> >
>
> Actually I always consider the TV show to be part of the second APES
timeline
> started with ESCAPE. The show is a sequel to BATTLE, though it does take
> place on the opposite coast of the US, though many insist that CONQUEST
and
> BATTLE took place on the west coast. If that's true than the TV Show is
very much
> a sequel to BATTLE.
>
> -- Rory
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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>

Well...I guess some people are put at the head of the list. Must be nice!
"Scrolls" is like getting a table at a fancy restaurant. - - - the Unwashed

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Parati
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:40 AM
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] SS#9


Thanks Kass! I'll look for it!

Tim

--- Kassidy Rae <valwp@...> wrote:

>
> Today I sent out SS to Mark T, Chris L, Tim P, Mike
> C, Jim C, Dario, and I'll send one out for Kevin H.
> on Monday (accidently left his envelope home). So
> be on the lookout.
>
> Kass
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------

In a message dated 9/26/04 10:44:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> But the TV show says humans were still in power in 2503 (the picture
> book). - - - Jeff
>

Maybe they were -- on the West Coast! The East half of the US was destroyed
in an earlier nuclear war, and that's where the apes came to dominate first,
then another nuclear holocaust happened several hundred years later. That
would help to explain to some of you POTA fans how Cornelius and Zira's story in
ESCAPE of how APES were slaves for hundreds of years could be true without the
need for there to be two timelines. Anyway, why have we assumed that mankind
could be destroyed in just one nuclear conflict?

Let's use our imaginations, POTA fans -- and especially you, Veetus!

-- Rory



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In a message dated 9/26/04 10:49:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
veetus@... writes:

> Well...I guess some people are put at the head of the list. Must be nice!
> "Scrolls" is like getting a table at a fancy restaurant. - - - the
> Unwashed
>

I don't want SS#9 unless it has a lot in it about PLANET.

-- Rory


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D'OH!!!!

The picture in that book in the TV show shows NYC in 2503!

That's it, that TV show is a menace and a non-walking pestilence!

It is in another universe!

-- Rory


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That picture of 2503 is New York. Why would the TV show follow "Battle"?
I don't see any connections at all. With the original movie, it looks cut
off from the rest of the world, while in the TV show Ape civilization is
concentrated on the West Coast. That's a good fit to me. Movie Zauis'
society is cut off and they stagnate. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: <Haristas@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 7:53 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dogs


>
> In a message dated 9/26/04 10:44:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> veetus@... writes:
>
>
> > But the TV show says humans were still in power in 2503 (the picture
> > book). - - - Jeff
> >
>
> Maybe they were -- on the West Coast! The East half of the US was
destroyed
> in an earlier nuclear war, and that's where the apes came to dominate
first,
> then another nuclear holocaust happened several hundred years later. That
> would help to explain to some of you POTA fans how Cornelius and Zira's
story in
> ESCAPE of how APES were slaves for hundreds of years could be true without
the
> need for there to be two timelines. Anyway, why have we assumed that
mankind
> could be destroyed in just one nuclear conflict?
>
> Let's use our imaginations, POTA fans -- and especially you, Veetus!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
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>

Good points made. The ape record keeping that says man was without pets was
not totally
true. Humans keep a variety of pets as we all know. Dogs and cats are the
most common. I was reading in Time Magazine that there are 7,000 tigers kept as
pets in the US. I still believe that a plague would not wipe out all dogs and
cats since some would be immune to it. Elaine


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