If you want a copy I can put you in touch with them T, but I have
retired from footing the bill!

Hunter made a downloadable slide show of the Power Records that is
apparently available on his site - do you know where to find this?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2004 9:16:02 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> I know I paid out heaps of money to get everyone a free copy of
it
>
>
>
> I didn't get mine.
> Weren't there also
> power record cds?

How do you manage to get the tractors in the Hunt Scene to
appear? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 10/31/2004 7:39:06 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> I shall - and it better not be dubbed in Japanese!!!! ;)
>
>
>
> I'd like one in Japanese. That would be cool!
> I tried to order a Japanese one, but they're
> out of stock. I sometimes flip my POTA
> DVD over to french amd pretend it's a
> dramatization of the novel, just for fun.

Of COURSE there's a PLOT!

This guy goes around killing famous
monsters.........and.......umm...(snore)

Michael

>
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> Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 11:00:58 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Van Helsing on the POTA
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A friend rented it the other night and we re-started it twice before
giving
up. The CGI kills me - it's almost as if I have to sit and watch
computer
geeks display their prowess. The plot becomes secondary and I lose all
empathy. Was there a plot, by the way? (Snore)
Kass

.html.html In a message dated 11/1/04 12:22:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

But this Halloween I was hoping to catch a Hammer Dracula.

I have Hammer's HORROR OF DRACULA, DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE and TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA on DVD and there are others out, but you have to look for them.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: John

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:36 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon

O.K. As the Father of a 4yr. old I have to come to the defense of the
Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon. Yes, its fairly bad. The
astronauts wearing turtle necks and one being named Jif makes you
wonder what the hell they where thinking. But the artwork was really
quite good for the time and the stories where not half bad for
Saturday morning cartoons. When I see my son watching the cartoon and
see the reaction he gets from watching them it makes me realize "oh
yeah, these were ment for little kids on Saturday mornings" not for
30yr old+ adults to be watching.

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Hunter made a downloadable slide show of the Power Records that is
apparently available on his site - do you know where to find this?

Michael

Actually, it was John Oberhauser who created the Flash animations of the Power Records, using audio files supplied by Michael (and cleaned up by Hunter) and scans of the comics supplied by me. In addition to the Flash files, Hunter's site has MP3s of all of the Power Records (movie and TV) and PDFs of the movie comics.

 

I did burn one pair of CDs for a fan who didn't have a CD burner, but other than that there's been no distribution of Power Record CDs that I'm aware of. I did work up some CD labels that mimic the original LPs, but have been meaning to tweak them a bit more (and work up a CD booklet) before giving them to Hunter to add to his site. Other things have come up, but I'll get back to that sooner or later.

 

Greg P.

Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Hunter made a downloadable slide show of the Power Records that is
apparently available on his site - do you know where to find this?

Michael

.html I just watched Flames of Doom last night. Should I withhold my comments for now? I purchased a dvd off of ebay of the cartoons and it is quite a bad copy. I would be willing to buy a better copy from someone. Elaine <.html

.html Well, I guess I am a lone Van Helsing Fan too. Oh, maybe not. My friend liked it and my other friend liked it......There's a pattern here. All of my female friends liked it and when Hugh Jackman took his shirt off...  Yes, maybe the movie stunk, but it was a drool fest for some of us women.    Elaine<.html

.html There were monsters in it?  I only remember Hugh Jackman. Elaine<.html

.html But it's a cute guy killing famous monsters. What monsters? Elaine(drooling)<.html

.html.html Get Carter, starring Hollywood action man Sylvester Stallone, has been voted the worst movie remake of all time.
The classic original, starring Michael Caine, was moved from 1960s Newcastle to Seattle for the 2000 remake.

Film fans were also left unimpressed by the remake of Alfie - a role also made famous by Caine.

Alfie - starring Jude Law - came sixth in the Top 10 Worst Remakes poll, carried out by DVD rental firm ScreenSelect.co.uk.

TOP FIVE
Get Carter
Psycho
Thunderbirds
The Assassin
Charlie's Angels 

"Time after time, remakes fail to sparkle like the originals," said Alex Chesterman, founder of ScreenSelect.co.uk.

"The rehashed productions trade off fond memories of much-loved films.

"This poll is an indication that remakes can't compare with films which were classics of their time.

"It also proves you just can't beat Michael Caine," he added.

Second in the poll was Gus Van Sant's attempt to remake the Alfred Hitchcock horror Psycho for a new audience.

Thunderbirds movie was third, followed by Bridget Fonda thriller The Assassin - a remake of the cult film La Femme Nikita.

Other films to make the top 10 were Charlie's Angels - starring Cameron Diaz, Drew Barrymore and Lucy Liu - and Tim Burton's Planet of the Apes.

The poll of 2,000 film fans also showed they preferred the Frank Sinatra original of Ocean's Eleven than the George Clooney and Brad Pitt update.





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Jeff (or Terry)

Has AC ever done a "Return Special"?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: veetus@...[SMTP:VEETUS@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:37:50 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I enjoy the cartoon series more now than I did as a kid. Probably
because
I understand better the process of production and a more easygoing
appreciation of all things "Apes". - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: John <mailto:DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:36 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon


O.K. As the Father of a 4yr. old I have to come to the defense of the
Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon. Yes, its fairly bad. The
astronauts wearing turtle necks and one being named Jif makes you
wonder what the hell they where thinking. But the artwork was really
quite good for the time and the stories where not half bad for
Saturday morning cartoons. When I see my son watching the cartoon and
see the reaction he gets from watching them it makes me realize "oh
yeah, these were ment for little kids on Saturday mornings" not for
30yr old+ adults to be watching.

Here's Brian's responses.

The response that sends tingles up and down my spine is where he says he
will (when he wins lotto!) finance a Sci-Fi Channel production, done
RIGHT!

Cheers

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Brian[SMTP:AFRYT4U@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 12:59:07 AM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: FW: [PotaDG] POTA questions ????
> Auto forwarded by a Rule

Dear Apeophiles,

I just wanted to say its been a pleasure to have joined your group
and I hope you keep it going. I hope to contribute more to it all,
and I will as I get myself organised.
A few questions !!!

1. Did Medicom produce a catalogue of all its POTA merchandise ?

I know they had an on-line catalog. I do not know if they printed a
flyer/brochure or catalog for the line. They may have, I just have no
info.



2. Do we know who the artists/sculptures were?

I personally do not.



3. A year ago I saw advertised a Japanese photo book for about £40.00
/$80.00, at the time I thought it was all to do with Tim Burtons
Rehash, Was it? or was it the book that I have always wanted I..e.
a large scale full colour Photographic account of all that is
POTA?

Not aware of it.



4. I have just recieved my Apemania Cornelius Mask and it is
wonderfull. Do any of the group have pictures (close up) of the
Don Post Cornelius mask?

I have some somewhere.



5. What happened to Don Post, You never hear od him?it now?

Don Post senior died sometime in the 70's I believe. Don Post Jr has
been
in charge ever since. They still have a small studio in North Hollywood
California. Most of the production is done overseas I believe. I
worked as
a designer for Post's Special Projects division back in 1983. It was a
huge
magical place and a great thing to be a part of.



6. Do you think that Tim Burtons POTA and the recent Van Helsing
Made the same mistake

Yes. They never should have been made. That was their mistake.


I.e. People (myself included) wanted to
see the classic POTA/Universal characters brought back to the big
screen in all their glory(origonal costumes and make up,New
adventures)?

Burton's apes needed a script, any script, something! Anything!
PAH-LEEEZE!!!



I could see the Karloff/Whale/Pierce Monster in full colour
million dollar epic or the McDowall/Chambers Cornelius/Ceasers/
Galen character brought into a new progression of the POTA
timeline(sons of whatever)?
Obviously new actors would recreate the characters but it would
have been more to the fans, as well as the publics liking as these
characters are now culteral icons. Their very image can conjour
up all sorts of memories and back stories before the film makers
shoot a single frame.

When I win the lottery, I will finance a mini-series for the Sci-Fi
Channel,
done right.

Brian




Anyways......enough of my ranting.....I would be interested in
your thoughts. (and answers)

John.










--

my plan for next year 2005 was to do an episode by episode breakdown and
analysis of all the cartoon episodes

> Has AC ever done a "Return Special"?
>
> Michael
>

My wife said the same thing about it, that Hugh Jackman was the only
saving grace.

I normally enjoy looking at Kate Beckinsale very much but I disliked
the cartoony, over the top, CGI and the convoluted plot. I found it
poor at best.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> There were monsters in it? I only remember Hugh Jackman. Elaine

I really liked the show as a kid, I never even questioned the fact
that the Apes had cars and planes.

I find the show somewhat slow, but I enjoy that it's telling a story
and sticking to it. Few kid's shows do that today.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> I enjoy the cartoon series more now than I did as a kid.
Probably because I understand better the process of production and a
more easygoing appreciation of all things "Apes". - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 3:36 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon
>
>
>
> O.K. As the Father of a 4yr. old I have to come to the defense
of the
> Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon. Yes, its fairly bad.
The
> astronauts wearing turtle necks and one being named Jif makes
you
> wonder what the hell they where thinking. But the artwork was
really
> quite good for the time and the stories where not half bad for
> Saturday morning cartoons. When I see my son watching the
cartoon and
> see the reaction he gets from watching them it makes me
realize "oh
> yeah, these were ment for little kids on Saturday mornings" not
for
> 30yr old+ adults to be watching.
>
>
>
>
>
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "BrAIn" <palitoy@m...> wrote:

> I find the show somewhat slow, but I enjoy that it's telling a

story and sticking to it.

-- Yeah, I like that about it too and much like the live action TV
show it would have been good to see where the story went after the
initial run.
I'm sure that I have read somewhere that they did actually have
plans for a second series of the cartoon. Is this just a false
memory on my part?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Here's Brian's responses.
> The response that sends tingles up and down my spine is where he

says he will (when he wins lotto!) finance a Sci-Fi Channel
production, done RIGHT!

-- That would be great but the sad thing is though that this is
probably what it will take to get something done.

Neil

Patty,

If you go discuss it with James he'll explain it to you.

I'm amazed, Petty, that you have said nothing on this group until
this thread arises, then suddenly you pipe up with absolutely
nothing constructive or positive to say.

You have also taken the opportunity to twist what I have said - as
if you have an agenda.

Could you please send me a private email, from your home email
account, to verify your identity?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "kimu4all" <kimu4all@y...> wrote:
>
>
> hi, again, i don't know where this is coming from. i haven't seen
> any of this. have i missed something? you make it sound like
everyone
> is against you and if we don't say it's okay you're going to go
home.
> i don't understand that attitude.
> patty
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
>
> > However if the community does not confirm that, I must assume
you
> would all
> > be more than happy if I bow out.
> >
> > It doesn't help that I am currently being victimised and
attacked
> by some
> > individuals.
>
> > Michael
> >

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 6:04:55 AM Central Standard Time, valwp@... writes:

The CGI kills me - it's almost as if I have to sit and watch computer geeks display their prowess.

 

I agree.  I don't care if it's optical or digital, any effect you can spot as an effect has a negative effect.  Like music it should be subliminal.  If you notice it, it has failed.

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No, Elaine, please don't hold back!

I'd really like to get the conversation warming on this much
neglected topic.

Others can chime in from memory and revisit after viewing if they
wish.

Flames of Doom, eh? I wonder if the person who wrote that went on
to invent Yahoo! groups? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> I just watched Flames of Doom last night. Should I withhold my
comments for
> now? I purchased a dvd off of ebay of the cartoons and it is quite
a bad copy.
> I would be willing to buy a better copy from someone. Elaine

.html

My personal fave is Dracula Prince of Darkness.  It's the one where Christopher Lee doesn't talk.  It's not that he didn't have any lines.  He just thought they were too stupid to say.  So he didn't.  It's very effective.  It was the first Dracula movie I saw in a theater as a kid.  I thought it was very scary.  Though today it may seem tame by gore standards.  The same hold true for POTA, with all the FX laden fare out today.  But both have held up very well.

 

 

In a message dated 11/1/2004 7:28:22 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

I have Hammer's HORROR OF DRACULA, DRACULA HAS RISEN FROM THE GRAVE and TASTE THE BLOOD OF DRACULA on DVD and there are others out, but you have to look for them.

 

<.html

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 12:13:11 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Yes, maybe the movie stunk, but it was a drool fest for some of us women.    Elaine

 

What's this?  Treating men as sex objects?

Not very PC.  I'm all for it, as long as what's

sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

 

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That will be great to read Terry.

It does bring up an interesting point though about "stepping on
toes" in the POTA community....I'd hate for our competition to
diminish the enthusiasm of fans to read AC. I don't think it would,
but maybe I should have checked with you before firing up the event.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
> my plan for next year 2005 was to do an episode by episode
breakdown and
> analysis of all the cartoon episodes
>
>
>
> > Has AC ever done a "Return Special"?
> >
> > Michael
> >

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 12:13:11 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Well, I guess I am a lone Van Helsing Fan

 

Huge Jack-man aside, Van Helsing is a rip off

of the anime Vampire Hunter D.

 

<.html

Did you read it in Simian Scrolls? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "BrAIn" <palitoy@m...> wrote:
> > I find the show somewhat slow, but I enjoy that it's telling a
> story and sticking to it.
>
> -- Yeah, I like that about it too and much like the live action TV
> show it would have been good to see where the story went after the
> initial run.
> I'm sure that I have read somewhere that they did actually have
> plans for a second series of the cartoon. Is this just a false
> memory on my part?
>
> Neil

Discussions are always good
It will be good to get people discussing them again
I usually analyze the series in a different way than everyone else so it
will all be good!

> That will be great to read Terry.
>
> It does bring up an interesting point though about "stepping on
> toes" in the POTA community....I'd hate for our competition to
> diminish the enthusiasm of fans to read AC. I don't think it would,
> but maybe I should have checked with you before firing up the event.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:
>> my plan for next year 2005 was to do an episode by episode
> breakdown and
>> analysis of all the cartoon episodes
>>
>>
>>
>> > Has AC ever done a "Return Special"?
>> >
>> > Michael
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "onebadgungan" <onebadgungan@y...>
wrote:

> I am currently working on a bit of fanfic named "The Riverboat".

It is based on the TV series universe. Chapter one is being edited
as we speak, and you can look for it in a few days.

> After that, I expect to have a new chapter up every month, until

it is complete.

-- Can't wait to start reading it. I have been ejoying Kasey's story
so far and the more we have to read the better!

Anybody else who has stories, artwork, photos or anything else to
share with us please feel free to do so.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Did you read it in Simian Scrolls? ;)

-- Very droll! Actually though it could have been! They did have an
article on Return in one of the later issues, I'll have to go and
check it out though I'm pretty sure that it wasn't in Scrolls that I
read it. I may be wrong, I'll let you know.

Neil

I always thought the best ape title for a story was " Up the nose
tube to monkey trash" from the Marvel comics. I loved the Mke Ploog
art work as a kid and used to copy his Alexander chimp into my
school books.

What were/are your favourite titles?

John.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
wrote:
> Did you read it in Simian Scrolls? ;)

-- Very droll! Actually though it could have been! They did have an
article on Return in one of the later issues, I'll have to go and
check it out though I'm pretty sure that it wasn't in Scrolls that I
read it. I may be wrong, I'll let you know.

Neil

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In a message dated 11/1/2004 4:30:37 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I'm sure that I have read somewhere that they did actually have
plans for a second series of the cartoon. Is this just a false
memory on my part?

They were planning a few episodes for the next year (three I think)  which were going to have Bill and Jeff teaching the humans how to fight, blow up the Apes munitions, etc.... It was going to have a fight between the two groups ending in an uneasy truce...

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First of all, I enjoy much of the Saturday Morning kidvid stuff from the
1970's because that's what I cut my teeth on as a kid. Most of the time, the
nostalga transcends how good or bad it is.

That being said, I think that Return To The Planet Of The Apes was really
good taking into account when it was made and what audience it was aimed at.

Seeing it as an adult I was impressed that the stories followed an arc, they
weren't self contained. Judy the female astronaut would be lost in the first
show, but turn up in the third with the underdwellers but they still didn't
really get her back until a later episode.

It was aimed at kids but still tried to avoid the usual pitfalls of animated
adaptations of live action material at that time. They didn't put in a child
ape or human character or a cute animal character. They did thier best to
maintain the menace of Apes to humans without violence. They also succeeded
in making the underdwellers a lot creepier then i thought they would be
allowed to make them for back then.

What they did do is put in a bunch of Monsters. The sea creature, the giant
spider, the giant bird. They knew boys were watching the Godzilla and other
movies. They also had a giant friendly ape in a couple episodes.

Although the animation was almost non-existant sometimes, I like the high
contrast, comic book like art design of the show.

I think Return is a fair contender of the real classics of the 1970's
Saturday morning kid vid offerings like Land Of The Lost and animated Star
Trek.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Mike R" <mego73@h...> wrote:

> Although the animation was almost non-existant sometimes, I like

the high contrast, comic book like art design of the show.

-- I do too. Some of the paintings they used for long shots and to
set scenes etc. were very nice. I also really like the opening
titles and especially the title music, they came up with some cool
images even the ones based on photos from the movies that they used.

Neil

Did anyone else collect these because I am CONFUSED!

If you go to Toyzz.com, you will find a list of cheap POTA Medicom Kubricks.

 

When I first looked I couldn�t recall having these.

 

However, I have pulled them out of the closet (!) and it seems they have SPLIT the sets I have into smaller pieces!

 

Am I going mad or what is happening?

 

Michael

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Here's Brian's responses.
> 1. Did Medicom produce a catalogue of all its POTA merchandise ?

> I know they had an on-line catalog. I do not know if they printed

a flyer/brochure or catalog for the line. They may have, I just
have no info.

-- I know this isn't exactly the same thing but in case anyone is
interested I have just uploaded a scan of the full page ad that
appeared in Previews magazine when they were first released.

Neil

.html I had seen the Kubricks many times on ebay but was having a hard time buying one. It was so strange seeing these characters so tiny and short. When Toyzz.com offered the low prices I bought Urko, Caesar, conquest gorilla and two gorilla soldiers. I do like them and keep one in my bag(how's that for weird?). Elaine<.html

But are they repackaged or just loose - anyone know?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: HollowedOut[SMTP:AT_DEATHS_DOOR@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:44:04 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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Yep it's happening! It sucks too! I've been looking for the 5 "new"
movie
sets and all they have are the broken down singles! Why would ANYONE
want
singles when the sets are so cheap too!??

Oh well.. so's life... always getting broken down to singles..
ummmmm...
yea.... whatever!

GO APES!

Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If so, any chance you could
do a screen grab?

I'd really like to show the great detail that went into some of the
drawings.

Michael

>
> ----------
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> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:22:49 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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>

Some of the paintings they used for long shots and to set scenes etc.
were very nice.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If so, any chance you

could do a screen grab?
I'd really like to show the great detail that went into some of the
drawings.

-- I'll see what I can find and get back to you.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If so, any chance you

could do a screen grab? I'd really like to show the great detail
that went into some of the drawings.

-- Okay, Ive done a few. I had to splice them together as they
tended to use largish paintings and pan along or down them.

They have been uploaded to a new folder in the files section called
Return paintings.

Neil

Thanks Neil, these look great!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> > Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If so, any chance
you
> could do a screen grab? I'd really like to show the great detail
> that went into some of the drawings.
>
> -- Okay, Ive done a few. I had to splice them together as they
> tended to use largish paintings and pan along or down them.
>
> They have been uploaded to a new folder in the files section
called
> Return paintings.
>
> Neil

I don't know about that Neil.

As you know it is hard work to get a comic made.

Even when you find the right people to approach, it might not be
something they want to risk.

However, if you got the right team together, it would not be impossible
to sell a proposal to someone like the Sci-Fi Channel.

We actually have an author on the group (Shane Johnson) who loves POTA
and has been involved in television projects. Before James made a
bigoted remark about Texans (that they execute handicapped people, I
think?), Shane was also an active participant in this group and I was
hoping to put together a team of writers, get a story, develop a script,
and get Shane to help us put together a professional submission. Kast
time I spoke to Shane he was enthusiastic, but incredibly busy.

I would have asked the Simian Scrolls team to gather statistics re the
TV Show ratings. Why SS and not Terry's Fanzine? Because I know John,
Dave and Alan are (like Neil) particularly TV Show enthusiasts and their
passion would see the project through (hopefully exaggerating the result
in our favour where necessary!).

I would have asked Jeff and Terry to contribute whatever FAVOURABLE
statistics they could find on the POTA2001 movie in order to show that
there is (WAS?) interest in POTA, but interest dropped because the movie
was not what people wanted and it failed to capture the spirit of POTA.

I would have asked Neil to work the story as storyboard sketches, adding
professionalism and value for anyone wanting to green light the project.

And I would have sent it to Mark T-B and asked him to leave it at every
trendy party he went to where influential directors get drunk and
curious, and I would have asked Jeff to show it to the many contacts he
has attack everyone from ALL SIDES!

Of course I would have asked Brian at Apemania to help us out with a
budget estimate and maybe even asked him if there are any mew tricks we
could employ to improve the problems the original makeups struck (time
consumption, jaw flexibility, lip movement, real teeth showing....), but
keeping true to the original LOOK - a look everyone agrees "ain't broke"
(so why fix it?).

The missing ingredient is funding (oh - and the story....I'd be going
for wrapping up the TV Show in a Sci-Fi Channel mini series - say 3 or 4
45 min pieces. AND leaving it open to become a 12-13 episodes per year
Cable TV Show like the Sopranos).

If we went to this trouble, then I believe we would get the funding.

Comments?

Michael

> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 9:31:38 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA questions
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Here's Brian's responses.
> The response that sends tingles up and down my spine is where he
says he will (when he wins lotto!) finance a Sci-Fi Channel
production, done RIGHT!

-- That would be great but the sad thing is though that this is
probably what it will take to get something done.

Neil

Ploog and Moench certainly did some great work during their Terror
on The Planet of The Apes storyline.

I don't have the issue on hand but from memory it was POTA#13 and
the title was "Magick-Man's Last Gasp Purple Light Show" or
something like that.

Someone must have been having a hoot coming up with titles like
that..!

RobT

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
wrote:

>
> I always thought the best ape title for a story was " Up the nose
> tube to monkey trash" from the Marvel comics. I loved the Mke

Ploog

> art work as a kid and used to copy his Alexander chimp into my
> school books.
>
> What were/are your favourite titles?
>
> John.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "mendezxxv" <rvt@t...> wrote:

> I don't have the issue on hand but from memory it was POTA#13 and
> the title was "Magick-Man's Last Gasp Purple Light Show" or
> something like that.

-- Marvel certainly were good at coming up with 'catchy' titles!
Maybe we should have a poll or vote on every one's all time
favourite title?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "kimu4all" <kimu4all@y...> wrote:

>
> hi, it sounds like you should take-up acting like me. we always
> crave the applause and cry like babies if we don't get it. glen

schitz is an actor but he does not get much work. he is also a
writer but only his mom buys his books. petty

>
> PS just kidding mike. i understand theres not much point sharing

something with the group if nobody is reading it an their
participation is the only thing you have to show they are there.
you are a great guy mike and idiots like glen and james and that
menluth turkey are here to dominate, censor and bully people. they
dont care about pota they anly want to play power games. i have
never even seen that glen talk about pota. its like he never even
watched it.


-- These people may have left the group but I don't think that gives
any of us the right to have a go at them or try to stir up old
hatreds. I suggest you read the group description on the home page
to see what this group is all about, we really don't want this sort
of stuff here thank you.

Neil

I agree totally.

With Neil that is!

Patty, I don't really think you should stay on this group if you
want to keep posting stuff like this.

With all due respect, we may be an unmoderated group but for this to
work we all have to be sensitive to others.

Please don't anyone join in this hateful thread. There is so much
else for us to talk about!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "kimu4all" <kimu4all@y...> wrote:
> >
> > hi, it sounds like you should take-up acting like me. we always
> > crave the applause and cry like babies if we don't get it. glen
> schitz is an actor but he does not get much work. he is also a
> writer but only his mom buys his books. petty
> >
> > PS just kidding mike. i understand theres not much point sharing
> something with the group if nobody is reading it an their
> participation is the only thing you have to show they are there.
> you are a great guy mike and idiots like glen and james and that
> menluth turkey are here to dominate, censor and bully people.
they
> dont care about pota they anly want to play power games. i have
> never even seen that glen talk about pota. its like he never even
> watched it.
>
>
> -- These people may have left the group but I don't think that
gives
> any of us the right to have a go at them or try to stir up old
> hatreds. I suggest you read the group description on the home page
> to see what this group is all about, we really don't want this
sort
> of stuff here thank you.
>
> Neil

I'm with the nostril one - anybody think there could be a drug
reference there?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mendezxxv" <rvt@t...> wrote:
>
>
> Ploog and Moench certainly did some great work during their Terror
> on The Planet of The Apes storyline.
>
> I don't have the issue on hand but from memory it was POTA#13 and
> the title was "Magick-Man's Last Gasp Purple Light Show" or
> something like that.
>
> Someone must have been having a hoot coming up with titles like
> that..!
>
> RobT
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "grotowski666" <johnbkirtley@h...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I always thought the best ape title for a story was " Up the
nose
> > tube to monkey trash" from the Marvel comics. I loved the Mke
> Ploog
> > art work as a kid and used to copy his Alexander chimp into my
> > school books.
> >
> > What were/are your favourite titles?
> >
> > John.

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.html The Japanese book just contains the remake. The photos are excellent but all of the writing is in Japanese with the exception of the names of the actors. Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Just want to let everyone know that some new files have been added

to Hunter's site.

>
> First, hi-res versions of the 2nd series TV cards I created for

Kassidy's site are now available for anyone who wants to print up a
set of cards for themselves. I've arranged the cards so they match
up to the puzzle backs. Print the fronts, print the backs, paste the
sides together and trim using the handy crop marks.

>
> Second, the first issue of the Marvel UK comic series is now

available for download in PDF format. The plan is to post an issue
each week, to mimic the weekly publication frequency. I'd also hoped
to match up with the original publication dates, but due to a
freelance job that was more complicated than I expected, I'm
starting a week behind. I'll get two issues done by next week to get
in sync with the cover dates. Each issue will only be available to
download for a few weeks to make room as new issues are added.

>
> Here's the link: www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Greg P.

-- Great stuff Greg and yet again thanks to you and Hunter for
making these things available to all us fans, Much appreciated!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> I actually like some of the animation of the cartoon. It is almost

like watching drawings of the characters. Elaine

-- Did you have a look at some of the 'paintings' from the first
episode that I uploaded? Some of them are very nice.
When time permits and as we go along I plan to splice more together
and add them.

Neil

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In some episoded they actually flip to a different art style (a la
the titles) for a moment then back to normal but they show the
characters - am I making sense here?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > I actually like some of the animation of the cartoon. It is
almost
> like watching drawings of the characters. Elaine
>
> -- Did you have a look at some of the 'paintings' from the first
> episode that I uploaded? Some of them are very nice.
> When time permits and as we go along I plan to splice more
together
> and add them.
>
> Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> In some episodes they actually flip to a different art style (a la

the titles) for a moment then back to normal but they show the
characters - am I making sense here?

-- I understand what you mean. I have just uploaded an example of
what you are talking about to the Return paintings folder in the
files section.

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Return%20paintings/RPOTA%
20painting%2\006.jpg

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> In some episodes they actually flip to a different art style (a la
the titles) for a moment then back to normal but they show the
characters - am I making sense here?

-- I understand what you mean. I have just uploaded an example of
what you are talking about to the Return paintings folder in the
files section.

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Return%20paintings/RPOTA%
20painting%2\006.jpg

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon Kirtley [johnbkirtley@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Brian's Work with Don Post

Thank you so much. That's made my day.

You are very kind to have taken time to do this.

 

John.

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 02 November 2004 20:59

Subject: [PotaDG] Brian's Work with Don Post

You wanted more - here's this from Brian.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [afryt4u@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 3 November 2004 1:34 AM
To: Michael Whitty
Subject: Re: FW: [PotaDG] POTA questions

Hi Mike,

I worked as a designer for Don Post's 3'd facility for about 3 months in 1983.
It was a magical place to be that just wreaked of history.

The studio space myself and the other artists worked at was part of Post's warehouse storage facility several blocks away from the main factory.  the main factory was huge as they were still manufacturing all of their masks here in the USA at the time.  Post later downsized and shipped most of it's production overseas.

I had come aboard shortly after Post's effects team had finished running all of the pressure suits for Delaurentis' DUNE film, so those molds and suits peppered the studio where I was.  Also, they were storing a lifesize KING KONG torso That I beleive Jim Danforth had been in charge of constructing.  It was for the 50th anniversary of KING KONG and was used at ceremonies at the Chinese Theater in Hollywood , where KONG had premiered back in 1933.  The anniversary bust was fitted with grey hair to reflect KONG's age.  It was very cool to walk past that monstrosity every morning upoan arriving at work.


My duties while at Post varied.  I started off doing illustration and design work for them.  Had my own  office/drawing room (not bad for a 20 year old kid)  but I really wanted to be out where the action was.

They had an artisit out in the lab sculpting heads and figures for the Universal Studios tour of the A-Team characters.  The A-Team was a pretty popular TV series at the time starring Dirk benedict, Mr. T, and George Peppard.  Those figures were very cool.

They were also prototyping the Gremlins masks, Last Star Fighter,  and the American Werewolf in London line.  The sculpts were all there waiting for final approval before molding and production.  I also vaguely remember Island Of Dr. Moreau masks as well, but I could be mistaken.

Once I did get out of the drawing room and into the lab I worked on specialty projects.  Tv commercials, and such. I sculpted, molded, ran parts, and painted.  It was fun.  We did some masks for the rock band TOTO's ISOLATION album cover (which I don't think were ever used). Funny thing too, 8 years later I wass dating one of the band members ex-wives, but that's a whole other story...

There were three principle artists working the POST lab; Jim Leonard (who later went on to running Rick Baker's mold shop for decades), Barry Crane and fine sculptor and mold maker (who's spent many years at Stan Winston's) and who I still work with today when he's available, and Jim Negichi (sp) who kinda was in charge of the lab.  I felt like the new kid, and these three grown ups were my mentors.  They'd have clay fights and get into all sorts of mischeif, but we still got the work done.  And great hours too!  7:30Am to 3:30PM with a 1/2 hour lunch everyday.  So when I'd get out of work, I'd still have a whole afternoon and evening to LIVE!  Not like today.

There was always something cool to look at at Post as well.  I remember, the bathrooms were stocked with nothing but old  Famous Monsters magazines.  So cool!


Anyway, back to work.  Ugh!  Gimmeee those 7:30 to 3:30 days of yor!


Bri

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> By the way everybody, these screen grabs are from the DVDs of

Return I have. I think you would agree they look fairly watchable?
Neil, you didn't have to enhance them at all did you?

-- Nope, no enhancement at all, just straight screen grabs. All I
have done is join them up to get the whole picture as the shot pans
across them.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> By the way everybody, these screen grabs are from the DVDs of
Return I have. I think you would agree they look fairly watchable?
Neil, you didn't have to enhance them at all did you?

-- Nope, no enhancement at all, just straight screen grabs. All I
have done is join them up to get the whole picture as the shot pans
across them.

Neil

<.html

Kate Beckinsale in a corset was worth sitting through
it for as well!
Tim

--- taebokitti@... wrote:

> Well, I guess I am a lone Van Helsing Fan too. Oh,
> maybe not. My friend liked
> it and my other friend liked it......There's a
> pattern here. All of my female
> friends liked it and when Hugh Jackman took his
> shirt off... Yes, maybe the
> movie stunk, but it was a drool fest for some of us
> women. Elaine
>

__________________________________

Thta's just silly to break them up. I got them all in
the sets which all had cool backdrops. Maybe Toyzz is
just trying to pull more money in for them

Tim

--- HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> wrote:

> Yep it's happening! It sucks too! I've been looking
> for the 5 "new" movie sets and all they have are the
> broken down singles! Why would ANYONE want singles
> when the sets are so cheap too!??
>
> Oh well.. so's life... always getting broken down
> to singles.. ummmmm... yea.... whatever!
>
> GO APES!
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
>
>
> Did anyone else collect these because I am CONFUSED!
>
> If you go to Toyzz.com, you will find a list of
> cheap POTA Medicom Kubricks.
>
>
>
> When I first looked I couldn�t recall having these.
>
>
>
> However, I have pulled them out of the closet (!)
> and it seems they have SPLIT the sets I have into
> smaller pieces!
>
>
>
> Am I going mad or what is happening?
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> Get unlimited calls to
>
> U.S./Canada
>
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They seem to be.

They even seem to have portioned out the accessories as well.

One thing though: the CONQUEST set I have, I don't see a chain around the
chimp and gorilla's necks. Coould this be exclusive to buying the separate
pieces or are these in the pack somewhere that I don't see?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Kubricks



Thta's just silly to break them up. I got them all in
the sets which all had cool backdrops. Maybe Toyzz is
just trying to pull more money in for them

Tim

--- HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@...> wrote:

> Yep it's happening! It sucks too! I've been looking
> for the 5 "new" movie sets and all they have are the
> broken down singles! Why would ANYONE want singles
> when the sets are so cheap too!??
>
> Oh well.. so's life... always getting broken down
> to singles.. ummmmm... yea.... whatever!
>
> GO APES!
>
> -Chris

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 9:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> By the way everybody, these screen grabs are from the DVDs of
Return I have. I think you would agree they look fairly watchable?
Neil, you didn't have to enhance them at all did you?

-- Nope, no enhancement at all, just straight screen grabs. All I
have done is join them up to get the whole picture as the shot pans
across them.

Neil

<.html

I have a CD of drawings from the cartoon but they are
all from the opening credits. Some good ones in there.
I can post some if you want. Not sure where the guy
that sold it on ebay got them...

TIm

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If so,
> any chance you could
> do a screen grab?
>
> I'd really like to show the great detail that went
> into some of the
> drawings.
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 4:22:49 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Return to the Planet of the
> Apes cartoon
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> Some of the paintings they used for long shots and
> to set scenes etc.
> were very nice.
>
>
>

These are great Neil! THANKS! They would all make good
wallpaper for the computer..

Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If
> so, any chance you
> could do a screen grab? I'd really like to show the
> great detail
> that went into some of the drawings.
>
> -- Okay, Ive done a few. I had to splice them
> together as they
> tended to use largish paintings and pan along or
> down them.
>
> They have been uploaded to a new folder in the files
> section called
> Return paintings.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the Apes cartoon

I have a CD of drawings from the cartoon but they are
all from the opening credits. Some good ones in there.
I can post some if you want. Not sure where the guy
that sold it on ebay got them...

TIm

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot?  If so,
> any chance you could
> do a screen grab?
>
> I'd really like to show the great detail that went
> into some of the
> drawings.
>
> Michael

<.html

They were constantly changing art styles.....

Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > In some episodes they actually flip to a different
> art style (a la
> the titles) for a moment then back to normal but
> they show the
> characters - am I making sense here?
>
> -- I understand what you mean. I have just uploaded
> an example of
> what you are talking about to the Return paintings
> folder in the
> files section.
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Return%20paintings/RPOTA%

> 20painting%2\006.jpg
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 5:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA questions

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Here's Brian's responses.
> 1. Did Medicom produce a catalogue of all its POTA merchandise ?

> I know they had an on-line catalog.  I do not know if they printed
a flyer/brochure or catalog for the line.  They may have, I just
have no info.

-- I know this isn't exactly the same thing but in case anyone is
interested I have just uploaded a scan of the full page ad that
appeared in Previews magazine when they were first released.

Neil

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Kate Beckinsale in a corset was worth sitting through
it for as well!
Tim

I also appreciated her new boobs.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Van Helsing on the POTA

In a message dated 11/2/04 6:11:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Kate Beckinsale in a corset was worth sitting through
it for as well!
Tim

I also appreciated her new boobs.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 11/2/2004 4:43:38 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Comments?

 

Where do you want me to start?

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I was reading the Groups Digests and Noticed the Mention of the Old
Marvel Mags. Well I loved the ORIGINAL Comic stories,One I Really
Read repeatedly was the Story of a Human And his Chimp Buddy They
Ended up Staying with an old dude inside a Presidential Bunker
located inside the Head of one of the Mt. Rushmore Presidents. Then
they met up with these Ugly "Mush-Faced" Aliens and their Leaders
(which were Big Brains in Domes)Any of this sound Familiar? I LOVED
these Issues and I've been trying to find them again.Meanwhile Would
ANYONE have a Picture of one of these Aliens? Thanks OH BTW One last
thing- ANBODY EVER seen a Cover of the January 1970 Issue of
Cosmopolitan Magazine? This Issue has a Beautiful Picture of Linda
Harrison I'd PAY JUST TO GET A SCAN OF THIS! Lemmie Know
JOHN aka LONFAN

That's right Elaine.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> If I understand you correctly, you are saying the animation
changes every so
> often in the cartoon but then returns to it's original form. Elaine

Wherever you like.

Maybe break up the responses into pieces in more than one response
since there's a lot of words there.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/2/2004 4:43:38 AM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> Comments?
>
>
> Where do you want me to start?

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In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:32:23 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Wherever you like.

 

Well, as far as the make-up goes, John Chambers not only supervised the makeup he supervised the camera angles as well, at least on the first one.  That's really important on the old style makeup's.  You may recall in some of the sequels there are some very questionable shots.  The infamous Now Fight Like Apes shot from Battle that had to be blurred.  They should not have even been printed, much less end up in a final cut.  Though some of that can be touched up now with all the advances in CGI.  It's basically done frame by frame in a Photoshop type way.  Sure you could do it quicker and cheaper if you shot DV But . . .

 

If you're going to shoot it like a mini-series it would have to be shot on film.  Though there have been some advances in digital video, the couple Star Wars were shot on DV, nothing says credible production values like good film stock.  And talking monkeys need all the credibility they can get -- one of the biggest problems with Burton's production.

 

The script should definitely stay in the realistic realm.  The further you get away from a basis in reality the more credibility you lose.  Again, it's enough to ask your audience to suspend their disbelief on apes that talk and time travel without introducing the more far out elements such as telepathic underground mutants or some of the comic book stuff.  Keep it a personality based, character driven plot that examines the serious issue of a society turned on it's head without trying to preach a message from the mountain.  Sure POTA had some things to say, but it managed to entertain without really hitting you over the head with them.  Some may disagree, but if Zanuck didn't get them and he was the producer of the thing, I think you see my point.  The TV series seemed heavy handed by comparison, even with the cartoon.  A great film maker once said if you want to send a message, call Western Union.   

 

As far as working up a budget goes that's the producers job.  Every thing from scouting locations to the catering to the completion bond has to be figured in.  Insurance, transportation, the cost of electricity by kilowatt hour, even if you're running off generators has to be figured in.  It's best left to someone who knows the game from the inside out.  And if you're going to keep costs down forget LA.  Shoot in Vancouver or even Australia.  Canada might be better.  You'd still have access to LA talent without flying them across the world, and don't forget much of your cast is going to be sending their days buried under foam rubber.  They'll need air conditioning and it's cooler up there.  Remember that electric bill?  Well, A/C is as bad as those lights, but if you shoot in winter all you have to do it turn down the heat.  That actually saves you money, instead of costing you.

 

I could probably come up with more, but that's enough for now.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> I could probably come up with more, but that's enough for now.

-- Please do. What you have pointed out so far certainly makes a lot
of sense.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> I have a CD of drawings from the cartoon but they are all from the

opening credits. Some good ones in there. I can post some if you
want. Not sure where the guy that sold it on ebay got them...

-- That would be great if you could Tim I really want to see these.
By the way, I was one of the people you outbid to get that CD you ...
;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Was this example from the first episode?

-- Yes. All the ones I have uploaded so far are from the first
episode. In fact they are all from the first half of the first
episode, I didn't get further than the trek across the desert.

Neil

Great start T!

Thanks for a very intelligent, well thought out post.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
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> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 11/2/2004 11:32:23 PM Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Wherever you like.



Well, as far as the make-up goes, John Chambers not only supervised the
makeup he supervised the camera angles as well, at least on the first
one.
That's really important on the old style makeup's. You may recall in
some
of the sequels there are some very questionable shots. The infamous Now
Fight Like Apes shot from Battle that had to be blurred. They should
not
have even been printed, much less end up in a final cut. Though some of
that can be touched up now with all the advances in CGI. It's basically
done frame by frame in a Photoshop type way. Sure you could do it
quicker
and cheaper if you shot DV But . . .

If you're going to shoot it like a mini-series it would have to be shot
on
film. Though there have been some advances in digital video, the couple
Star Wars were shot on DV, nothing says credible production values like
good
film stock. And talking monkeys need all the credibility they can get
--
one of the biggest problems with Burton's production.

The script should definitely stay in the realistic realm. The further
you
get away from a basis in reality the more credibility you lose. Again,
it's
enough to ask your audience to suspend their disbelief on apes that talk
and
time travel without introducing the more far out elements such as
telepathic
underground mutants or some of the comic book stuff. Keep it a
personality
based, character driven plot that examines the serious issue of a
society
turned on it's head without trying to preach a message from the
mountain.
Sure POTA had some things to say, but it managed to entertain without
really
hitting you over the head with them. Some may disagree, but if Zanuck
didn't get them and he was the producer of the thing, I think you see my
point. The TV series seemed heavy handed by comparison, even with the
cartoon. A great film maker once said if you want to send a message,
call
Western Union.

As far as working up a budget goes that's the producers job. Every
thing
from scouting locations to the catering to the completion bond has to be
figured in. Insurance, transportation, the cost of electricity by
kilowatt
hour, even if you're running off generators has to be figured in. It's
best
left to someone who knows the game from the inside out. And if you're
going
to keep costs down forget LA. Shoot in Vancouver or even Australia.
Canada
might be better. You'd still have access to LA talent without flying
them
across the world, and don't forget much of your cast is going to be
sending
their days buried under foam rubber. They'll need air conditioning and
it's
cooler up there. Remember that electric bill? Well, A/C is as bad as
those
lights, but if you shoot in winter all you have to do it turn down the
heat.
That actually saves you money, instead of costing you.

I could probably come up with more, but that's enough for now.

There is a chain on Caesar, none on the Gorilla

Tim

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>
> One thing though: the CONQUEST set I have, I don't
> see a chain around the
> chimp and gorilla's necks. Coould this be exclusive
> to buying the separate
> pieces or are these in the pack somewhere that I
> don't see?
>

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I know there was a Return press kit but I haven't been
able to get my hands on it. I have seen nothing else.
Occasionally I'll find an 8 x10 pic but that is all.
Yes, Terror made it's way onto a few items but nothing
for Return. I will post the Return drawings I have
sometime today

Tim

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> That would be great.
>
> There must have been a press kit for Return too I
> think because I know there
> is a great B&W Shot of Jeff and Judy (I think) with
> a really cool Urko
> background close-up. Anyone know what I'm talking
> about here?
>
> Tim, what other "Return" collectibles do you know
> of/have?
>
> I have lots of collectible stiff and I am always
> facinated to ponder the
> POTA environment they fit into.
>
> eg Many of them have "Battle" related shots.
>
> Some (like the Chocolate Lillipop) are "Terror on
> the POTA" related! Yup -
> this rarity has a sketch of Alexander the Chimp on
> it!
>
> But not much "Return" stuff springs to mind!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Parati [apefan23@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 10:32 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Return to the Planet of the
> Apes cartoon
>
>
> I have a CD of drawings from the cartoon but they
> are
> all from the opening credits. Some good ones in
> there.
> I can post some if you want. Not sure where the guy
> that sold it on ebay got them...
>
> TIm
>
> --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
>
> > Neil, were there any of these in the Pilot? If
> so,
> > any chance you could
> > do a screen grab?
> >
> > I'd really like to show the great detail that went
> > into some of the
> > drawings.
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
>

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Oops Sorry Neil! I will post them sometime today.....

Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > I have a CD of drawings from the cartoon but they
> are all from the
> opening credits. Some good ones in there. I can post
> some if you
> want. Not sure where the guy that sold it on ebay
> got them...
>
> -- That would be great if you could Tim I really
> want to see these.
> By the way, I was one of the people you outbid to
> get that CD you ...
> ;-)
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

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