-- There are 'easter eggs' on this release? I didn't know that!
Would any one be able to come up with a list of the 'easter eggs' on
ANY / ALL of the POTA releases and how to get to them? (yes even the
2001 re-imagining!)
If so that would be really great.

Neil

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.

 

No they didn't.  That cop said circuses were past history.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Try these links:
> http://www.dvdreview.com/eastereggs/collect/543.html"
> http://www.dvdreview.com/eastereggs/collect/335.html"

-- Great, thanks very much Greg.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Try these links:
> http://www.dvdreview.com/eastereggs/collect/543.html"
> http://www.dvdreview.com/eastereggs/collect/335.html"
> Greg P.

-- I have added these links to a folder in the links section of the
group called: DVD Easter Eggs
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/links/DVD_Easter_Eggs_001
100036180/

If there are any others that any body knows of please add them here.

Neil

Not to begin with. Hold on... I'll get to it...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.
>
>
>
> No they didn't. That cop said circuses were past history.

"Michael Whitty" <whitty@... > wrote:

> In "Planet", Cornelius says to Zauis (at the outside cage) that he will
> be doing further diggings "only with the approval of the academy"...what
> ACADEMY are they referring to? An Academy of Science maybe?

I just think someone's been reading The Big Book of Science Fiction Cliches.
It doesn't matter what it's an academy of, as long as you mention "the
academy" somewhere in your story. Is it just me or has anyone else noticed
that every sci-fi TV series ever made will have at least one "he was my
mentor/teacher/hero back at the academy" plot in an episode?

Alan

Was that by the time of Conquest, T, that the cop said this?

Even so, maybe then if we said that whatever circuses survived were
popular..know what I mean?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:14:31 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central Standard Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.


No they didn't. That cop said circuses were past history.

It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were pop icons, at
least. You know that people FLOCKED to the circuses and zoos to see
the chimpanzees! Armando did great for quite a while, you know. It
was only after the masses had taken in chimps as house pets that they
became disillusioned.

It's really just a theory, but you know it's pretty likely true. ;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Was that by the time of Conquest, T, that the cop said this?
>
> Even so, maybe then if we said that whatever circuses survived were
> popular..know what I mean?
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:14:31 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.
>
>
> No they didn't. That cop said circuses were past history.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> Great story, Helen! Elaine

Thanks, Elaine! :)) That means a lot!

--Helen

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were pop icons, at
least. 

 

No.  No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew about the baby.

 

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were pop icons, at
least. 

 

Here's a question . . .

 

What do you think the government told the public after Zira and Cornelius' death?  No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue scientist the killed them because he believed their existence would lead to the end of the world."  Or maybe they did.  Thoughts anyone?

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I'm sorry. I could be wrong about that. Didn't she announce her
pregnancy at the museum?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were pop icons, at
> least.
>
>
>
> No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew
about the
> baby.

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

No.  No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew about the baby.

 

And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk.  And the interrogators at the Army Base.  Now that I think about it he practically was a Pop Icon!

 

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:57:17 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm sorry.  I could be wrong about that.  Didn't she announce her
pregnancy at the museum?

 

To three people.

Not exactly a press release.

 

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Fair enough, but let's suppose that Sneddon, in the Jackson case,
represents the government. The fans of Michael Jackson still love
and support MJ. What "the government" claims is [basically]
irrelevant.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were pop icons, at
> least.
>
>
>
> Here's a question . . .
>
> What do you think the government told the public after Zira and
Cornelius'
> death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue scientist the
killed them
> because he believed their existence would lead to the end of the
world." Or
> maybe they did. Thoughts anyone?

The Conquest novelization does say that Armando kept the secret of
Caesar's identity secret from even the other performers in the circus.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
> No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew
about the
> baby.
>
>
>
> And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk. And the
> interrogators at the Army Base. Now that I think about it he
practically was a Pop
> Icon!

You are probably right, but I was remembering crowds. Press. Etc.

Alzheimers, maybe.

Didn't the guy that served her the tray of fruit mention her
pregnancy? Of course, he died, but others must have known.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:57:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I'm sorry. I could be wrong about that. Didn't she announce her
> pregnancy at the museum?
>
>
>
>
> To three people.
> Not exactly a press release.

I wish I had the Escape novelization, but I don't have that one. The
part that I have screwed up on, I think, is the age of the circus
apes, Caesar and "Salome", when they marry. I think that they were
closer to 10.




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> The Conquest novelization does say that Armando kept the secret of
> Caesar's identity secret from even the other performers in the

circus.

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> > LordTZer0@A... writes:
> >
> > No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew
> about the
> > baby.
> >
> >
> >
> > And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk. And

the

> > interrogators at the Army Base. Now that I think about it he
> practically was a Pop
> > Icon!

Well, certainly Cornelius and Zira were!




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> The Conquest novelization does say that Armando kept the secret of
> Caesar's identity secret from even the other performers in the

circus.

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> > LordTZer0@A... writes:
> >
> > No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew
> about the
> > baby.
> >
> >
> >
> > And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk. And

the

> > interrogators at the Army Base. Now that I think about it he
> practically was a Pop
> > Icon!

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:00:24 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Fair enough, but let's suppose that Sneddon, in the Jackson case,
represents the government.  The fans of Michael Jackson still love
and support MJ.  What "the government" claims is [basically]
irrelevant.

 

Uhhh...What?

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:04:16 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

You are probably right, but I was remembering crowds.

 

Crowds?

In a museum?

I think the last museum I went to with a crowd had King Tut or something.

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When you say...


"...Here's a question . . .

What do you think the government told the public after Zira and
Cornelius' death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue
scientist the killed them because he believed their existence would
lead to the end of the world." Or maybe they did. Thoughts anyone?"


...I'm supposing that you are thinking that the government put a spin
on their (C&Z's) capture and death that caused the public to
entertain bad feelings about the chimps -- rather than toward the
government. I am thinking that, as is the case with MJ, fans are
fans. Pop icons are pop icons. People loved C&Z.

So my statement... What "the government" claims is [basically]
irrelevant.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:00:24 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> Fair enough, but let's suppose that Sneddon, in the Jackson case,
> represents the government. The fans of Michael Jackson still love
> and support MJ. What "the government" claims is [basically]
> irrelevant.
>
>
>
> Uhhh...What?

Yeah, I was there for that.


This museum had Cornelius and Zira!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:04:16 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> You are probably right, but I was remembering crowds.
>
>
>
> Crowds?
> In a museum?
> I think the last museum I went to with a crowd had King Tut or
something.

Very good hypothesis Helen...It would make a good
story...

Tim

--- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were
> pop icons, at
> least. You know that people FLOCKED to the circuses
> and zoos to see
> the chimpanzees! Armando did great for quite a
> while, you know. It
> was only after the masses had taken in chimps as
> house pets that they
> became disillusioned.
>
> It's really just a theory, but you know it's pretty
> likely true. ;)
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > Was that by the time of Conquest, T, that the cop
> said this?
> >
> > Even so, maybe then if we said that whatever
> circuses survived were
> > popular..know what I mean?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:14:31 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions...
> My story...
> > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> > >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.
> >
> >
> > No they didn't. That cop said circuses were past
> history.
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

OK. Let's say that LT is right, and no one knew about the baby.
Still, I believe Cornelius and Zira were very popular and those who
loved them were stunned by their disappearance.

And, as LT stated, we know that at the time that Armando took Caesar
to Central City the circuses that remained were failing. That is why
he took Caesar... to drum up more business. His own circus had been
doing poorly "for months" before that ape-pearance.

So, shall I continue with my theory?

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> Yeah, I was there for that.
>
>
> This museum had Cornelius and Zira!!
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:04:16 PM Central Standard Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > You are probably right, but I was remembering crowds.
> >
> >
> >
> > Crowds?
> > In a museum?
> > I think the last museum I went to with a crowd had King Tut or
> something.

Thanks, Tim. It's really what I think happened! There's more...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Very good hypothesis Helen...It would make a good
> story...
>
> Tim
>
> --- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby were
> > pop icons, at
> > least. You know that people FLOCKED to the circuses
> > and zoos to see
> > the chimpanzees! Armando did great for quite a
> > while, you know. It
> > was only after the masses had taken in chimps as
> > house pets that they
> > became disillusioned.
> >
> > It's really just a theory, but you know it's pretty
> > likely true. ;)
> >
> > --Helen
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> > <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > Was that by the time of Conquest, T, that the cop
> > said this?
> > >
> > > Even so, maybe then if we said that whatever
> > circuses survived were
> > > popular..know what I mean?
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 8:14:31 AM
> > > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions...
> > My story...
> > > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> > > >
> > > In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:45:31 AM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> > >
> > > Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths.
> > >
> > >
> > > No they didn't. That cop said circuses were past
> > history.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________

the government would say anythin and the people would
believe it. They probably announced that the apes died
of a disease they brought with them or they could not
adapt to our environment.....and that they killed an
orderly.....Demystify them

Tim

>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central
> Standard Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby
> were pop icons, at
> > least.
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's a question . . .
> >
> > What do you think the government told the public
> after Zira and
> Cornelius'
> > death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue
> scientist the
> killed them
> > because he believed their existence would lead to
> the end of the
> world." Or
> > maybe they did. Thoughts anyone?
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

But fans can be amazingly loyal!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Tim Parati <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> the government would say anythin and the people would
> believe it. They probably announced that the apes died
> of a disease they brought with them or they could not
> adapt to our environment.....and that they killed an
> orderly.....Demystify them
>
> Tim
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 11/9/2004 7:35:48 PM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> > >
> > > It's clear that Cornelius, Zira, and the baby
> > were pop icons, at
> > > least.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Here's a question . . .
> > >
> > > What do you think the government told the public
> > after Zira and
> > Cornelius'
> > > death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue
> > scientist the
> > killed them
> > > because he believed their existence would lead to
> > the end of the
> > world." Or
> > > maybe they did. Thoughts anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________

.html The government probably made up a story that they died in an accident or that they disappeared. Elaine<.html

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 9:46:40 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

This museum had Cornelius and Zira!! 

 

No, it just had Zira.

And it looked deserted.

 

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In a message dated 11/9/2004 10:21:46 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

The government probably made up a story that they died in an accident or that they disappeared

 

I like the disease hypothesis best.

Though an accident is plausible,

look what happened to Princess

Di.  But the disease has more

built in deniability.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Here's a question . . .

What do you think the government told the public after Zira and
Cornelius' death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue
scientist the killed them because he believed their existence would
lead to the end of the world." Or maybe they did.

-- Good question! Knowing all the wonderful governments that we have
around the world they would have made up some story that made the
chimps look like the bad guys, it's always their natural reaction to
protect their own arses and make themselves look good isn't it? So
maybe they would have just gone with the 'we have evidence that
intelligent apes will one day dominate and then destroy the earth'
line.

I also wonder what happened to Lewis and Stevie? They knew
everything didn't they, would they have been killed in a mysterious
accident? Strangled by an angry gorilla maybe? ;-)

Neil

There would have been a huge cover-up.

But there would have also been leaks of insider accounts.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:54:20 PM

Here's a question . . .

What do you think the government told the public after Zira and
Cornelius'
death? No doubt they didn't say, "We had a rogue scientist the killed
them
because he believed their existence would lead to the end of the world."
Or
maybe they did. Thoughts anyone?

LOL!

You know it doesn't matter HOW many times I watch these movies, I still
confuse myself almost as much as the movies contradict eachother!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:57:18 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
LordTZer0@... writes:

No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew about
the
baby.


And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk. And the
interrogators at the Army Base. Now that I think about it he
practically
was a Pop Icon!

And that they never really talked - it was all mirrors!

Michael

> ----------
> From: Tim Parati[SMTP:APEFAN23@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:58:25 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

the government would say anythin and the people would
believe it. They probably announced that the apes died
of a disease they brought with them or they could not
adapt to our environment.....and that they killed an
orderly.....Demystify them

Tim

Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little late
last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...

I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the other
holes, so this is good. But...

I have a theory...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> LOL!
>
> You know it doesn't matter HOW many times I watch these movies, I
still
> confuse myself almost as much as the movies contradict eachother!
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 1:57:18 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> In a message dated 11/9/2004 8:52:20 PM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
> No. No one, except the government and Lewis & Stevie even knew
about
> the
> baby.
>
>
> And Armando of course . . . and some of the circus folk. And the
> interrogators at the Army Base. Now that I think about it he
> practically
> was a Pop Icon!

Do tell!!!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56:46 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My theory??
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little late
last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...

I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the other
holes, so this is good. But...

I have a theory...

As previously stated, I have this theory...

I think that Milo (aka Caesar) grew up well-hidden in amongst his
circus family. I believe that Armando did provide for Caesar,
though, and that he was given a mate in the circus -- much as Nova
was "given to" Taylor. They gave birth to a son. That son was
intelligent, big, and strong. The government wanted this incredibly
brilliant young chimp for...

Then I wrote:


The people mourned the death of Cornelius and Zira. They had become
celebrities. Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths. For that
reason, Armando did very well. He purchased a female chimp on the
black market to replace Salome and draw attention away from the male
that took her place. As Milo grew, he became a superstar "actor" –
and an excellent horseman. The female chimp that Armando had added
to his circus grew up alongside Milo and at 10 years old they were
given to each other in the first known simian "marriage."

Surprisingly, Milo's mate, Salome, was learning to speak. Although
not as clearly or with as large a vocabulary as Milo, she was able to
communicate with him using gestures and short verbalizations. When
they had a child, it was obvious very early on that he would be more
intelligent than the other Apes in the circus. Armando, wanting very
much to continue his success, capitalized on this young Ape's
abilities. This was a big mistake.

At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials were
dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped out
the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could not
determine why. People were left without the comfort of their pets.
The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They became
irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.

In America, where the celebrity chimp family had made such a profound
impression, people had already been bringing home apes as pets. At
first, they were captivated by their cute antics, but soon they tired
of the incredible amount of work that it was to keep their apes as
pets. They began to use harsh methods to train them, and found them
to be fast learners.

Caesar and Salome soon gave birth to their first baby, a boy. They
named him Milo (the secret name of his father), meaning "soldier."
He was strong and handsome, clearly a fine specimen of a chimpanzee.
He learned quickly and promised to breathe new life into Armando's
Circus. Armando realized that with apes being commonplace in most
homes, he would have to have something very special to draw the
crowds. Baby Milo would be the ticket. At just months old, he was
able to follow very specific directions. He could work the audience,
cute little kid.

Yes, Baby Milo did draw attention… the attention of curious
government agencies. Over the course of the years, science had tried
to make a better chimp. Selective breeding, genetic engineering.
Some said that DNA from the Ape fugitives from the future had been
collected and cloned. But, no one offered evidence. And now, at
least according to the handbills, this particular baby chimp seemed
almost, well, human. That was Armando's first mistake.

It was clear to many that Little Milo was special.

When Caesar and Salome were ready to welcome their second child into
the world, something went tragically wrong. Salome died during the
birth of their second child, a boy. Caesar named him Aldo,
meaning "wise."

Aldo wasn't the shining star that Milo was, yet he was still very
clever. More reserved in nature, he was happy just to play in the
big top and feed the other animals. Occasionally he could be found
dashing about teasing the wild cats or walking between the legs of
the elephants. He was especially close to Milo, though, maybe
because of the loss of his mother. Often he would ride with Milo on
Milo's motorcycles and four-wheelers around the tents. Or he
would "help" Milo as he cleaned animal dung off-season with the skid-
steer or set fence posts with the auger. The two were inseparable.


.......to be continued...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Do tell!!!
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56:46 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My theory??
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
>
> Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little
late
> last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...
>
> I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the other
> holes, so this is good. But...
>
> I have a theory...

Sounding great to me.

I think I can hear Neil sharpening his pencils!

Oh...no...it was Neil collapsing from exhaustion! We need to
advertise for an artist.... ;)

Michael


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> As previously stated, I have this theory...
>
> I think that Milo (aka Caesar) grew up well-hidden in amongst his
> circus family. I believe that Armando did provide for Caesar,
> though, and that he was given a mate in the circus -- much as Nova
> was "given to" Taylor. They gave birth to a son. That son was
> intelligent, big, and strong. The government wanted this incredibly
> brilliant young chimp for...
>
> Then I wrote:
>
>
> The people mourned the death of Cornelius and Zira. They had

become

> celebrities. Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths. For

that

> reason, Armando did very well. He purchased a female chimp on the
> black market to replace Salome and draw attention away from the

male

> that took her place. As Milo grew, he became a superstar "actor" –

> and an excellent horseman. The female chimp that Armando had

added

> to his circus grew up alongside Milo and at 10 years old they were
> given to each other in the first known simian "marriage."
>
> Surprisingly, Milo's mate, Salome, was learning to speak.

Although

> not as clearly or with as large a vocabulary as Milo, she was able

to

> communicate with him using gestures and short verbalizations.

When

> they had a child, it was obvious very early on that he would be

more

> intelligent than the other Apes in the circus. Armando, wanting

very

> much to continue his success, capitalized on this young Ape's
> abilities. This was a big mistake.
>
> At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials were
> dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped out
> the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
> were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could not
> determine why. People were left without the comfort of their

pets.

> The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They

became

> irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
> within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
> prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.
>
> In America, where the celebrity chimp family had made such a

profound

> impression, people had already been bringing home apes as pets.

At

> first, they were captivated by their cute antics, but soon they

tired

> of the incredible amount of work that it was to keep their apes as
> pets. They began to use harsh methods to train them, and found

them

> to be fast learners.
>
> Caesar and Salome soon gave birth to their first baby, a boy.

They

> named him Milo (the secret name of his father),

meaning "soldier."

> He was strong and handsome, clearly a fine specimen of a

chimpanzee.

> He learned quickly and promised to breathe new life into Armando's
> Circus. Armando realized that with apes being commonplace in

most

> homes, he would have to have something very special to draw the
> crowds. Baby Milo would be the ticket. At just months old, he

was

> able to follow very specific directions. He could work the

audience,

> cute little kid.
>
> Yes, Baby Milo did draw attention… the attention of curious
> government agencies. Over the course of the years, science had

tried

> to make a better chimp. Selective breeding, genetic engineering.
> Some said that DNA from the Ape fugitives from the future had been
> collected and cloned. But, no one offered evidence. And now, at
> least according to the handbills, this particular baby chimp

seemed

> almost, well, human. That was Armando's first mistake.
>
> It was clear to many that Little Milo was special.
>
> When Caesar and Salome were ready to welcome their second child

into

> the world, something went tragically wrong. Salome died during

the

> birth of their second child, a boy. Caesar named him Aldo,
> meaning "wise."
>
> Aldo wasn't the shining star that Milo was, yet he was still very
> clever. More reserved in nature, he was happy just to play in the
> big top and feed the other animals. Occasionally he could be

found

> dashing about teasing the wild cats or walking between the legs of
> the elephants. He was especially close to Milo, though, maybe
> because of the loss of his mother. Often he would ride with Milo

on

> Milo's motorcycles and four-wheelers around the tents. Or he
> would "help" Milo as he cleaned animal dung off-season with the

skid-

> steer or set fence posts with the auger. The two were

inseparable.

>
>
> .......to be continued...
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>

wrote:

> > Do tell!!!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56:46 PM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My theory??
> > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> > >
> >
> > Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little
> late
> > last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...
> >
> > I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the

other

> > holes, so this is good. But...
> >
> > I have a theory...

Pssst...

I actually have a little framework that surrounds this theory of
mine, so if he is interested, I'll bounce that off of him ;)

When he wakes up and pulls himself up off the floor, of course.

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Sounding great to me.
>
> I think I can hear Neil sharpening his pencils!
>
> Oh...no...it was Neil collapsing from exhaustion! We need to
> advertise for an artist.... ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > As previously stated, I have this theory...
> >
> > I think that Milo (aka Caesar) grew up well-hidden in amongst his
> > circus family. I believe that Armando did provide for Caesar,
> > though, and that he was given a mate in the circus -- much as Nova
> > was "given to" Taylor. They gave birth to a son. That son was
> > intelligent, big, and strong. The government wanted this

incredibly

> > brilliant young chimp for...
> >
> > Then I wrote:
> >
> >
> > The people mourned the death of Cornelius and Zira. They had
> become
> > celebrities. Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths. For
> that
> > reason, Armando did very well. He purchased a female chimp on

the

> > black market to replace Salome and draw attention away from the
> male
> > that took her place. As Milo grew, he became a

superstar "actor" –

>
> > and an excellent horseman. The female chimp that Armando had
> added
> > to his circus grew up alongside Milo and at 10 years old they

were

> > given to each other in the first known simian "marriage."
> >
> > Surprisingly, Milo's mate, Salome, was learning to speak.
> Although
> > not as clearly or with as large a vocabulary as Milo, she was

able

> to
> > communicate with him using gestures and short verbalizations.
> When
> > they had a child, it was obvious very early on that he would be
> more
> > intelligent than the other Apes in the circus. Armando, wanting
> very
> > much to continue his success, capitalized on this young Ape's
> > abilities. This was a big mistake.
> >
> > At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials

were

> > dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped

out

> > the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
> > were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could

not

> > determine why. People were left without the comfort of their
> pets.
> > The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They
> became
> > irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
> > within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
> > prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.
> >
> > In America, where the celebrity chimp family had made such a
> profound
> > impression, people had already been bringing home apes as pets.
> At
> > first, they were captivated by their cute antics, but soon they
> tired
> > of the incredible amount of work that it was to keep their apes

as

> > pets. They began to use harsh methods to train them, and found
> them
> > to be fast learners.
> >
> > Caesar and Salome soon gave birth to their first baby, a boy.
> They
> > named him Milo (the secret name of his father),
> meaning "soldier."
> > He was strong and handsome, clearly a fine specimen of a
> chimpanzee.
> > He learned quickly and promised to breathe new life into

Armando's

> > Circus. Armando realized that with apes being commonplace in
> most
> > homes, he would have to have something very special to draw the
> > crowds. Baby Milo would be the ticket. At just months old, he
> was
> > able to follow very specific directions. He could work the
> audience,
> > cute little kid.
> >
> > Yes, Baby Milo did draw attention… the attention of curious
> > government agencies. Over the course of the years, science had
> tried
> > to make a better chimp. Selective breeding, genetic

engineering.

> > Some said that DNA from the Ape fugitives from the future had

been

> > collected and cloned. But, no one offered evidence. And now, at
> > least according to the handbills, this particular baby chimp
> seemed
> > almost, well, human. That was Armando's first mistake.
> >
> > It was clear to many that Little Milo was special.
> >
> > When Caesar and Salome were ready to welcome their second child
> into
> > the world, something went tragically wrong. Salome died during
> the
> > birth of their second child, a boy. Caesar named him Aldo,
> > meaning "wise."
> >
> > Aldo wasn't the shining star that Milo was, yet he was still very
> > clever. More reserved in nature, he was happy just to play in

the

> > big top and feed the other animals. Occasionally he could be
> found
> > dashing about teasing the wild cats or walking between the legs

of

> > the elephants. He was especially close to Milo, though, maybe
> > because of the loss of his mother. Often he would ride with Milo
> on
> > Milo's motorcycles and four-wheelers around the tents. Or he
> > would "help" Milo as he cleaned animal dung off-season with the
> skid-
> > steer or set fence posts with the auger. The two were
> inseparable.
> >
> >
> > .......to be continued...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Do tell!!!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56:46 PM
> > > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My theory??
> > > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little
> > late
> > > last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...
> > >
> > > I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the
> other
> > > holes, so this is good. But...
> > >
> > > I have a theory...

Thanks, Michael. There's more, but maybe I should wait for LT to
expose the leaks...




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Sounding great to me.
>
> I think I can hear Neil sharpening his pencils!
>
> Oh...no...it was Neil collapsing from exhaustion! We need to
> advertise for an artist.... ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > As previously stated, I have this theory...
> >
> > I think that Milo (aka Caesar) grew up well-hidden in amongst his
> > circus family. I believe that Armando did provide for Caesar,
> > though, and that he was given a mate in the circus -- much as Nova
> > was "given to" Taylor. They gave birth to a son. That son was
> > intelligent, big, and strong. The government wanted this

incredibly

> > brilliant young chimp for...
> >
> > Then I wrote:
> >
> >
> > The people mourned the death of Cornelius and Zira. They had
> become
> > celebrities. Circuses thrived in the wake of their deaths. For
> that
> > reason, Armando did very well. He purchased a female chimp on

the

> > black market to replace Salome and draw attention away from the
> male
> > that took her place. As Milo grew, he became a

superstar "actor" –

>
> > and an excellent horseman. The female chimp that Armando had
> added
> > to his circus grew up alongside Milo and at 10 years old they

were

> > given to each other in the first known simian "marriage."
> >
> > Surprisingly, Milo's mate, Salome, was learning to speak.
> Although
> > not as clearly or with as large a vocabulary as Milo, she was

able

> to
> > communicate with him using gestures and short verbalizations.
> When
> > they had a child, it was obvious very early on that he would be
> more
> > intelligent than the other Apes in the circus. Armando, wanting
> very
> > much to continue his success, capitalized on this young Ape's
> > abilities. This was a big mistake.
> >
> > At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials

were

> > dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped

out

> > the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
> > were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could

not

> > determine why. People were left without the comfort of their
> pets.
> > The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They
> became
> > irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
> > within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
> > prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.
> >
> > In America, where the celebrity chimp family had made such a
> profound
> > impression, people had already been bringing home apes as pets.
> At
> > first, they were captivated by their cute antics, but soon they
> tired
> > of the incredible amount of work that it was to keep their apes

as

> > pets. They began to use harsh methods to train them, and found
> them
> > to be fast learners.
> >
> > Caesar and Salome soon gave birth to their first baby, a boy.
> They
> > named him Milo (the secret name of his father),
> meaning "soldier."
> > He was strong and handsome, clearly a fine specimen of a
> chimpanzee.
> > He learned quickly and promised to breathe new life into

Armando's

> > Circus. Armando realized that with apes being commonplace in
> most
> > homes, he would have to have something very special to draw the
> > crowds. Baby Milo would be the ticket. At just months old, he
> was
> > able to follow very specific directions. He could work the
> audience,
> > cute little kid.
> >
> > Yes, Baby Milo did draw attention… the attention of curious
> > government agencies. Over the course of the years, science had
> tried
> > to make a better chimp. Selective breeding, genetic

engineering.

> > Some said that DNA from the Ape fugitives from the future had

been

> > collected and cloned. But, no one offered evidence. And now, at
> > least according to the handbills, this particular baby chimp
> seemed
> > almost, well, human. That was Armando's first mistake.
> >
> > It was clear to many that Little Milo was special.
> >
> > When Caesar and Salome were ready to welcome their second child
> into
> > the world, something went tragically wrong. Salome died during
> the
> > birth of their second child, a boy. Caesar named him Aldo,
> > meaning "wise."
> >
> > Aldo wasn't the shining star that Milo was, yet he was still very
> > clever. More reserved in nature, he was happy just to play in

the

> > big top and feed the other animals. Occasionally he could be
> found
> > dashing about teasing the wild cats or walking between the legs

of

> > the elephants. He was especially close to Milo, though, maybe
> > because of the loss of his mother. Often he would ride with Milo
> on
> > Milo's motorcycles and four-wheelers around the tents. Or he
> > would "help" Milo as he cleaned animal dung off-season with the
> skid-
> > steer or set fence posts with the auger. The two were
> inseparable.
> >
> >
> > .......to be continued...
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> wrote:
> > > Do tell!!!
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > ----------
> > > > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 9:56:46 PM
> > > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My theory??
> > > > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok. I realize there are some holes here! I stayed up a little
> > late
> > > last night so my arguments are a little weak. But...
> > >
> > > I concede the baby thing. And I don't mind knowing about the
> other
> > > holes, so this is good. But...
> > >
> > > I have a theory...

.html <.html

Yes, you can't get away with making rash statements about Zira any more!
;)

It is nice to bounce things off others in the group eh? I wish the
people who made the sequels had as many interested participants at the
time!

Speaking of exposing leaks...WHERE'S PATRICK????

Maybe he got lucky at the convention?

PATRICK!!! Come and give Helen a hard time!!!

I know - I'll wish him a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:58:44 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: My theory?? [part 3]
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Thanks, Michael. There's more, but maybe I should wait for LT to
expose the leaks...

Yeah, I never get away with rash statements, and I post before I
think. Oh well. But I still want to know what people think!

Where IS Patrick? (Is it really his birthday?)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yes, you can't get away with making rash statements about Zira any
more!
> ;)
>
> It is nice to bounce things off others in the group eh? I wish the
> people who made the sequels had as many interested participants at
the
> time!
>
> Speaking of exposing leaks...WHERE'S PATRICK????
>
> Maybe he got lucky at the convention?
>
> PATRICK!!! Come and give Helen a hard time!!!
>
> I know - I'll wish him a HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! ;)
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 11:58:44 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: My theory?? [part 3]
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
>
> Thanks, Michael. There's more, but maybe I should wait for LT to
> expose the leaks...

Pretty good. BUT... I'm not sure I would join a gang and bump off
the corner gas station if my dog died.

Work out a couple kinks and this could be a solid theory.

John O.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> As previously stated, I have this theory...
>

At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials were
dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped out
the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could not
determine why. People were left without the comfort of their pets.
The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They became
irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.

Glad to see you're still scanning, Greg. Hunter's site is full of
great downloads!

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Issues 2 and 3 of the Marvel UK Apes series have been posted on
Hunter's site. This brings us in sync with the original cover dates
from 30 years ago.
>
> Here's the link: www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Greg P.

Does this serve as canon???

Notice Zaius brings up a diagram of the human brain?
Not sure what books he's looking to buy or where he plans to take a
trip to (by plane, train, or boat), but he's got instant messages
from Zira and Cornelius, and he's going to log into the "Ape City
Bank" website.

Cool commercial.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hunter Goatley" <goathunter@g...>
> To: <pota@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2004 7:51 AM
> Subject: [Planet of the Apes] New TV ad featuring Dr. Zaius
>
>
> >
> >
> > Intel and Microsoft have a new TV ad promoting Windows Media
Center XP
> > that includes an Alien and Dr. Zaius. I saw the commercial last
> > night. In fact, Dr. Zaius is prominently featured on the web
site.
> >
> > The web site address is www.digitaljoy.com
> >
> > On the front page, you'll see Dr. Zaius standing behind the
couch. If
> > you click on the "Press Play for More" button, you'll see Dr.
Zaius
> > featured.
> >
> > If you pull down the menu "Experience the Joy", you'll see "See
How It
> > Works". Select that, and you'll see Zaius on the couch. Select
the
> > button beside him (labeled "Learn, Work, and Play on a Powerful
PC"),
> > and you'll get a Flash video of Dr. Zaius using the PC to look up
> > info on human brains and receiving instant messages from Zira and
> > Cornelius.
> >
> > If any of you have problems accessing the site or don't have Flash
> > installed, drop me a line and I'll email you screen grabs I did
> > showing Dr. Zaius.
> >
> > Pretty cool. I haven't found the commercial itself online (yet).
> >
> > Hunter
> > ------
> > Hunter Goatley, Process Software, http://www.process.com/
> > <goathunter@G...> http://www.goatley.com/hunter/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Be sure to visit the Group's Internal Website
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm for Original
POTA One
> Sheets & Lobby Cards, Trailers & Rare Videos, Trading Cards and
much, much
> more...
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Very good, John o. I like that.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Pretty good. BUT... I'm not sure I would join a gang and bump off
> the corner gas station if my dog died.
>
> Work out a couple kinks and this could be a solid theory.
>
> John O.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > As previously stated, I have this theory...
> >
> At the same time, back at the ranch, the government officials were
> dealing with their own problems. A plague has virtually wiped out
> the domestic animal populations some years before. Dogs and cats
> were least resistant to this plague, although scientists could not
> determine why. People were left without the comfort of their pets.
> The effect of that loss profoundly affected the people. They became
> irritable and short tempered. Small social groups (gangs) formed
> within communities and feuds were commonplace. Lawlessness
> prevailed and, world-wide, governments invoked martial law.

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 7:02:21 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Thanks, Michael.  There's more, but maybe I should wait for LT to
expose the leaks...

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 7:08:45 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Any ideas on this?

 

They did have a female gorilla, as evidenced by that make-up room photo.  I don't have any evidence for my theory, but that never stopped anyone else around here . . . So...  My thought is that they tried to use they gorilla girl, but she just did not look feminine on film, and consequently, not identifiable as the widow in the scene.  So one of the chimpettes was substituted in her place.  The dialogue, however, was not changed.  Just a theory.  If you want some of the wild backstory speculation that others engage in.  uhhhh . . . She wasn't the widow. . . She was the mistress!  Yeah!  That's it!  And uhh . . . she had to keep their love a secret!  Because of their racial differences!  Yeah!  That's the ticket!

 

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Whie we're on the subject of backstoy speculation, I don't think you could get a two hour movie out of it, but the story that interests me is what happened after Taylor rode off.  I know that he tried to teach Nova to talk and got captured by mutants.  But what happened to Zira and Cornelius?  I'm guessing that they and Zaius became closer than ever after they're trial, if there even was one.  Chances are there wasn't because of the publicity it might cause.  But judging my his demeanor at their house, I think a deal was made behind closed doors, that they would retain their standing with the academy in exchange for their silence about the 'Terrible Secret' and doing no more research in that area.  Dr. Milo on the other hand slipped under their radar.  And because of his relationship with Z & C he knew what they'd been up to and visa versa.  So when he finished salvaging and restoring the ship and war broke out, they were on the flight.  Make a good mini-movie.

 

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BTW: I meant that in a very positive way, LT.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2004 7:02:21 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Thanks, Michael. There's more, but maybe I should wait for LT to
> expose the leaks...
>
>
> No comment

Does anyone know what Dr. Milo is a doctor of?

Good story. What exactly is the relationship that Z & C have with
Dr. Milo?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Whie we're on the subject of backstoy speculation, I don't think
you could
> get a two hour movie out of it, but the story that interests me is
what
> happened after Taylor rode off. I know that he tried to teach
Nova to talk and got
> captured by mutants. But what happened to Zira and Cornelius?
I'm guessing
> that they and Zaius became closer than ever after they're trial,
if there
> even was one. Chances are there wasn't because of the publicity
it might
> cause. But judging my his demeanor at their house, I think a deal
was made behind
> closed doors, that they would retain their standing with the
academy in
> exchange for their silence about the 'Terrible Secret' and doing
no more research
> in that area. Dr. Milo on the other hand slipped under their
radar. And
> because of his relationship with Z & C he knew what they'd been up
to and visa
> versa. So when he finished salvaging and restoring the ship and
war broke
> out, they were on the flight. Make a good mini-movie.

What every government in the world would tell their citizens. They lied to them!!! Some government agencies would tell them that it was a hoax, made up by both Doctor Branton, and Dixon to get a federal grant for their future experiments, or they would say that it maybe was a strange military Area 51 experiment that went awry and they had to kill it to cover up their mistakes. And the citizens would buy everything that the government would say because they would believe what they would say to them.

.html.html I've always thought Paul Dehn's "plague on dogs and cats" story was a little silly.  It wasn't in the Boulle novel and one of the great things about the original film was that it left it a mystery as to just how earth became the planet of the apes.  I think that was the best thing to do, given that the premise is just shy of absurd.  It's unfortunate, at least for myself, that the sequels tried to explain too much.

Whenever I try to imagine an extrapolation on how the planet of the apes began I always run into this brick wall -- just why would mankind genetically manipulate apes to be more intelligent and articulate and why would they take them into their homes?  I can't come up with a logical reason as to why man would do something so dumb as that.  I'm sure most of you have seen apes in real life.  I love apes, but I wouldn't want to be in the same room with an adult ape.  Not without bars between it and me.

Any literal explanation as to how apes became household pets and then slaves takes an incredible suspension of disbelief.  One of the brilliant things about the Boulle novel is that as you read it you discover that Boulle is really playing a trick on you.  The book isn't about a distant planet and some incredible reversal of things, it's really a comment on this planet right here and the way we are and how we've treat each other and other animals.

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Rory,

I have to agree with you, but it's there, so I used it. I'm not
trying to unflub anything, as you will see. I would put out the rest
of my theory tonight, but I was at the movies and haven't had a
chance to write it up.

I'm assuming that you read it, and I appreciate that. Thank you.

More tomorrow.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> I've always thought Paul Dehn's "plague on dogs and cats" story was
a little
> silly. It wasn't in the Boulle novel and one of the great things
about the
> original film was that it left it a mystery as to just how earth
became the
> planet of the apes. I think that was the best thing to do, given
that the premise
> is just shy of absurd. It's unfortunate, at least for myself, that
the
> sequels tried to explain too much.
>
> Whenever I try to imagine an extrapolation on how the planet of the
apes
> began I always run into this brick wall -- just why would mankind
genetically
> manipulate apes to be more intelligent and articulate and why would
they take them
> into their homes? I can't come up with a logical reason as to why
man would
> do something so dumb as that. I'm sure most of you have seen apes
in real
> life. I love apes, but I wouldn't want to be in the same room with
an adult ape.
> Not without bars between it and me.
>
> Any literal explanation as to how apes became household pets and
then slaves
> takes an incredible suspension of disbelief. One of the brilliant
things
> about the Boulle novel is that as you read it you discover that
Boulle is really
> playing a trick on you. The book isn't about a distant planet and
some
> incredible reversal of things, it's really a comment on this planet
right here and
> the way we are and how we've treat each other and other animals.
>
> -- Rory

Glad to see you're still scanning, Greg. Hunter's site is full of
great downloads!

John O.

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 5:23:52 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

BTW:  I meant that in a very positive way, LT. 

 

There's no way to really comment on fanfic.

It something doesn't work with the actual

story, than I can say, well that can't be right

because . . . whatever.  But you can make up

anything otherwise, and what can anyone say.

Patrick's Mothership Theory is proof.  I think

it's powered by Pat's brain, but every time I

hear Brent say, "I gotta get back up there!"

I'll probably think about Pat's Mothership

circling on auto pilot from now on.

 

 

 

 

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That's a good one, LT. Except why would the mistress want to expose
herself now after keeping it a secret all this time? Does she think
she might get some money out of it, or maybe she was ALREADY in the
will and had to show up to collect?

Needs some touch up, but with a little work it could be a real
steamy and hairy romance novel.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/10/2004 7:08:45 AM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> Any ideas on this?
>
>
>
>
> They did have a female gorilla, as evidenced by that make-up room
photo. I
> don't have any evidence for my theory, but that never stopped
anyone else
> around here . . . So... My thought is that they tried to use
they gorilla girl,
> but she just did not look feminine on film, and consequently, not
> identifiable as the widow in the scene. So one of the chimpettes
was substituted in
> her place. The dialogue, however, was not changed. Just a
theory. If you
> want some of the wild backstory speculation that others engage
in. uhhhh . . .
> She wasn't the widow. . . She was the mistress! Yeah! That's
it! And uhh .
> . . she had to keep their love a secret! Because of their racial
> differences! Yeah! That's the ticket!

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 5:26:28 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Does anyone know what Dr. Milo is a doctor of?

Uhhh . . . Aero Space Technology?

Good story.  What exactly is the relationship that Z & C have with
Dr. Milo? 

 

Uhhh . . .Threeway Ape Action? 

But seriously.  If I had to make

something up?  He and Cornelius

were roomates at the Academy.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 10:16:15 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

was shocked to learn at the chimp sanctuary in Washington that most states in this country, it is not illegal to purchase chimps or other wild animals.

 

Not illigal, but stupid.    I'm sure we all remember that tiger in the Harlem apartment.  Or that kid who had his arm ripped off by his uncle's tiger.  I'm not talking about that lady that raised her tider from a cub, but most of the people who buy big cats and keep them for an ego trip.  Bad idea, just ask Roy Horn.

 

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In a message dated 11/10/2004 10:55:04 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

That's a good one, LT.  Except why would the mistress want to expose
herself now after keeping it a secret all this time?

 

It was true love.

And now that he's dead there's no point in keeping it a secret.

 

Or you could just say, with the hood they couldn't see gorilla girls face.

Not and keep the lighting funereal.

 

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Just expensive!

You have to get a private zoo license in Australia, and prove you have a
suitable enclosure.

As pets, chimps are great until they get to about 5 years....and they
are extremely dependent - forever - like kids that NEVER grow up.

Still, I would love to have a pet chimp. But I would be extremely
conflicted because as selfish as I might allow myself to be sometimes,
it is rather obvious having a pet chimp is not a good thing for a
chimpanzee. But would it be a better thing than extinction in the wild?

I don't think it is too hard to believe that part of the incentive for
domesticating apes en masse would be to provide an alternative place for
them to survive.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:13:42 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I always thought Boulle's book was an exploration of human society. It
is
true that apes should not be kept as pets. I believe they belong in
their
own environment. I was shocked to learn at the chimp sanctuary in
Washington
that most states in this country, it is not illegal to purchase chimps
or
other wild animals. Elaine

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Yeah, as cool as it might be, they need a suitable habitat.  Not sure where in the States that might be.  The Everglades maybe, like Armando was talking about.  Isn't that were the Project X escapees set up a troop?

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I knew a Chip that could talk once.

She was at the Hogle Zoo.  She

could say stuff like Hello, and

Happy Birthday, but not without

holding her nose.  And it sounded

a bit like a deaf person talking.

 

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Was that "Vicki the Talking Chimp"?

As well as loving POTA I kept clippings of all I could find regarding
apes.

I really wanted to be a primatologist.

But I hated science!

Science fiction...yeah....fact....NAH!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:55:38 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I knew a Chip that could talk once.
She was at the Hogle Zoo. She
could say stuff like Hello, and
Happy Birthday, but not without
holding her nose. And it sounded
a bit like a deaf person talking.

I was reading today how orangs could be gone altogether IN THE WILD in
10 years.

Can you imagine?

How could we allow it?

But with the appropriate DNA and laboratory breeding, we could keep them
alive in captivity - even if they do volunteer to breed.

And, being human, I can see us then trying to make the critters work for
their survival.

It WOULD make more sense though to write the story based around humans
desiring the apes as a giant "remote control" that follows instructions
and leaves humans more time to.....well, sit on the net and chat to
people thousands of miles away, for example!

That would also facilitate the incorporation of Boulle's explanation -
that humans became lazier and more dependent on entertainment and
technology so they devolved eventually (but sure - the time it took is a
bit suss!!!!).

So that's where I would start in a pre-PLANET story. Cats and Dogs
disappear (via the plague). Apes had already become extinct in the
wild, and had moved into zoos and some zoo staff were helping to
kick-start the re-introduction of each species, so they cultivate as
many apes as they can.

They start wanting to get the maximum out of their pets so while they
are already playing God by repopulating the earth with them, they start
trying to iron out any little problem the apes have and use advanced
genetic manipulation techniques to make them smarter. I mean why not?
"God made man in his own image" ; "Proteus made the ape in his image"
(loose translation there - why wouldn't humans try to make apes in THEIR
image? More human-like; more upright; larger (the chimps anyway) and we
all know humans LOVE talking apes - why not genetically alter them to
enhance their marketability?

It isn't really SUCH a stretch is it Rory?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Michael Whitty[SMTP:WHITTY@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:48:11 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Just expensive!

You have to get a private zoo license in Australia, and prove you have a
suitable enclosure.

As pets, chimps are great until they get to about 5 years....and they
are extremely dependent - forever - like kids that NEVER grow up.

Still, I would love to have a pet chimp. But I would be extremely
conflicted because as selfish as I might allow myself to be sometimes,
it is rather obvious having a pet chimp is not a good thing for a
chimpanzee. But would it be a better thing than extinction in the wild?

I don't think it is too hard to believe that part of the incentive for
domesticating apes en masse would be to provide an alternative place for
them to survive.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:13:42 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I always thought Boulle's book was an exploration of human society. It
is
true that apes should not be kept as pets. I believe they belong in
their
own environment. I was shocked to learn at the chimp sanctuary in
Washington
that most states in this country, it is not illegal to purchase chimps
or
other wild animals. Elaine

I saw that about a month ago. A guy in Australia is actually
prominent in that article, if I remember. I will try to dig it up.

"Proteus made the ape in his image" -- Man! That could be used to
describe a lot! Who was Proteus? Ape? or Human? Ah ha! See?
Genetic engineering? Harsh training? In what ways do we try to make
our little human offspring (aka children) in our image???

That would also facilitate the incorporation of Boulle's explanation -
that humans became lazier and more dependent on entertainment and
technology so they devolved eventually. I don't know about you all,
but this is happening in my little world as I type. Literally.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I was reading today how orangs could be gone altogether IN THE WILD
in
> 10 years.
>
> Can you imagine?
>
> How could we allow it?
>
> But with the appropriate DNA and laboratory breeding, we could keep
them
> alive in captivity - even if they do volunteer to breed.
>
> And, being human, I can see us then trying to make the critters
work for
> their survival.
>
> It WOULD make more sense though to write the story based around
humans
> desiring the apes as a giant "remote control" that follows
instructions
> and leaves humans more time to.....well, sit on the net and chat to
> people thousands of miles away, for example!
>
> That would also facilitate the incorporation of Boulle's
explanation -
> that humans became lazier and more dependent on entertainment and
> technology so they devolved eventually (but sure - the time it took
is a
> bit suss!!!!).
>
> So that's where I would start in a pre-PLANET story. Cats and Dogs
> disappear (via the plague). Apes had already become extinct in the
> wild, and had moved into zoos and some zoo staff were helping to
> kick-start the re-introduction of each species, so they cultivate as
> many apes as they can.
>
> They start wanting to get the maximum out of their pets so while
they
> are already playing God by repopulating the earth with them, they
start
> trying to iron out any little problem the apes have and use advanced
> genetic manipulation techniques to make them smarter. I mean why
not?
> "God made man in his own image" ; "Proteus made the ape in his
image"
> (loose translation there - why wouldn't humans try to make apes in
THEIR
> image? More human-like; more upright; larger (the chimps anyway)
and we
> all know humans LOVE talking apes - why not genetically alter them
to
> enhance their marketability?
>
> It isn't really SUCH a stretch is it Rory?
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: Michael Whitty[SMTP:WHITTY@C...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 7:48:11 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> Just expensive!
>
> You have to get a private zoo license in Australia, and prove you
have a
> suitable enclosure.
>
> As pets, chimps are great until they get to about 5 years....and
they
> are extremely dependent - forever - like kids that NEVER grow up.
>
> Still, I would love to have a pet chimp. But I would be extremely
> conflicted because as selfish as I might allow myself to be
sometimes,
> it is rather obvious having a pet chimp is not a good thing for a
> chimpanzee. But would it be a better thing than extinction in the
wild?
>
> I don't think it is too hard to believe that part of the incentive
for
> domesticating apes en masse would be to provide an alternative
place for
> them to survive.
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: taebokitti@a...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@A...]
> > Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2004 3:13:42 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> I always thought Boulle's book was an exploration of human society.
It
> is
> true that apes should not be kept as pets. I believe they belong in
> their
> own environment. I was shocked to learn at the chimp sanctuary in
> Washington
> that most states in this country, it is not illegal to purchase
chimps
> or
> other wild animals. Elaine

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> I was reading today how orangs could be gone altogether IN THE WILD

in

> 10 years.
>
>

Hmmm. This is what I found in my archives:
http://seven.com.au/todaytonight/story/?id=16384

Not exactly what I was thinking, but still interesting. The article
offers information on "adopting" an orangutan. Is this the beginning?

Good, LT. tHANKS. I think you have some good answers.

What was the purpose of Milo in the movie? Who was he? What were
his credentials? When did he first show up? How could he know about
aerospace technology? How did he know Z&C? What made them trust him
enough to get aboard the ship? What would have caused him to WANT to
leave the POTA, even briefly, and what would have been compelling
enough to get C&Z on the spaceship? They couldn't have known the
world was about to be destroyed. So, what inspired their departure?

Those questions would/could/might be answered in T's backstory.

But does anyone have any thoughts?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In a message dated 11/10/2004 5:26:28 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Does anyone know what Dr. Milo is a doctor of?
> Uhhh . . . Aero Space Technology?
>
>
>
> Good story. What exactly is the relationship that Z & C have with
> Dr. Milo?
>
>
>
> Uhhh . . .Threeway Ape Action? (SOUNDS LIKE A SIDESHOW TOY!)
> But seriously. If I had to make
> something up? He and Cornelius
> were roomates at the Academy.

No! No! No! Sorry, I never intended this to be fanfic. Ouch. No.
I can't write for beans. (But if It's my theory. I'm getting to the
end, and you'll see.

Patrick's mothership theory isn't bad, actually. And I know how
protective he is of it. It works. (Just that it isn't MY theory --
which will ever and forever work for me.)

I saw The Incredibles last night. Now, my son, 10, who has read two
versions of the book and watched the commercials, explained the movie
to me when I got home. He knew in his mind exactly what had
happened, and he told me why it could happen, and he had a deeper
insite into the movie -- not having seen it -- than I did. But, a
lot of what he threw out there was theory. Yet, his theory worked,
and he will go to the movie with that set in his mind and that will
enhance the story for him. His way. Or, disprove his theory, which
is okay, too.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> There's no way to really comment on fanfic.
> It something doesn't work with the actual
> story, than I can say, well that can't be right
> because . . . whatever. But you can make up
> anything otherwise, and what can anyone say.
> Patrick's Mothership Theory is proof. I think
> it's powered by Pat's brain, but every time I
> hear Brent say, "I gotta get back up there!"
> I'll probably think about Pat's Mothership
> circling on auto pilot from now on.

One of us is still waiting to see the picture of you holding the baby
chimp when you were a little tike.

You have my permission to send it privately!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Was that "Vicki the Talking Chimp"?
>
> As well as loving POTA I kept clippings of all I could find
regarding
> apes.
>
> I really wanted to be a primatologist.
>
> But I hated science!
>
> Science fiction...yeah....fact....NAH!
>
> Michael

Oh yeah - Octavius! Get the "POTA" nod there?

I still have a scar from that little cutey but no rabis so it was worth
it.

I'll dig it up tomorrow! I'll share - I was cut too (almost 30 years
ago...AHHH!!!!!)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:38:22 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Other questions... My story...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

One of us is still waiting to see the picture of you holding the baby
chimp when you were a little tike.

You have my permission to send it privately!

--Helen

Ah, yes, the Academy. That obligatory sci-fi thing. So, then, what
was that an Academy of?

;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> He and Cornelius
> were roomates at the Academy.

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Is there any interest in a 2005 POTA calendar?

Last year I made a POTA calendar for myself for 2004
and was planning on making a 2005 calendar soon (I hope).

The calendar is:
month by month
half picture, half calendar per page
about 6 inches high by 4 inches wide
International!! (which means it doesn't have any
significant dates or holidays on it).
Has a couple lines on the bottom for notes.
The day boxes are big enough for a very small note.
It could have a cover page to make it look more "official"
if someone wants to do that.

The calendar would be in a Word document that you
would have to print out, cut out, and assemble.
I put a magnet on the back so I can hang it at work -
would be good for a refrigerator, too. There's room
on the top for a hole-punch so it can be hung, too.
The quality of the calendar would depend on your printer
and paper you use.

Images. I would like some input on the images
to use for the calendar and whether to stick to the
movies, TV, cartoon, comics (including, of course, Neil's
kick-ass artwork) or just mix them up (that's what I did
last year).

So, any interest? Thoughts on the theme?

John O.

I'm interested!

We had a team together to make a calendar but....well, let's just say it
had an obstacle!

I'd be very interested in trying to see what we can do now - anyone else
able to help?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: John O.[SMTP:JSPY@...]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 6:13:09 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] 2005 POTA Calendar
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Is there any interest in a 2005 POTA calendar?

Last year I made a POTA calendar for myself for 2004
and was planning on making a 2005 calendar soon (I hope).

The calendar is:
month by month
half picture, half calendar per page
about 6 inches high by 4 inches wide
International!! (which means it doesn't have any
significant dates or holidays on it).
Has a couple lines on the bottom for notes.
The day boxes are big enough for a very small note.
It could have a cover page to make it look more "official"
if someone wants to do that.

The calendar would be in a Word document that you
would have to print out, cut out, and assemble.
I put a magnet on the back so I can hang it at work -
would be good for a refrigerator, too. There's room
on the top for a hole-punch so it can be hung, too.
The quality of the calendar would depend on your printer
and paper you use.

Images. I would like some input on the images
to use for the calendar and whether to stick to the
movies, TV, cartoon, comics (including, of course, Neil's
kick-ass artwork) or just mix them up (that's what I did
last year).

So, any interest? Thoughts on the theme?

John O.

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Thanks – great response Brian!

Do you have any scans of photos you could send me of:

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Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian [mailto:afryt4u@... ]
Sent: Thursday, 11 November 2004 1:27 AM
To: Michael Whitty
Subject: Re: Questions on the hooded ape!

It's long since been speculated that that is the widow, of which who's son point's out Taylor during the ceremony.

No one (that I know of) has ever talked to anyone involved in the production and asked them directly about whether or not there was a female gorilla in the funeral scene.

A female gorilla outfit was made though.  It looks just like Zira's only it's purple and has no leather "yoke", just a leather glyph and the two buckles (like Zira's first costume did, although the decision was made to remove the buckles from Zira's tunic before filming began.)

Someone on one of these chat groups had isolated the hooded mourner frames onetime, and it was pretty much a female chimp if I remember correctly.

There was a female gorilla in BENEATH, and there are tons of behind the scenes fotos of her getting made up and horsing around on set.
She could have been one of the horse wranglers or stuntwoman, which makes sense, but she also could have been some vip's girlfriend just doing it for kicks.  To date, I don't have any info on who she was/is.

Bri

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If you watch Taylor ’s romp through the city in Planet, during the funeral you will see on the right (inside the church) a HOODED ape (I think a chimp – not sure).

Does anyone know if this is a chimp or gorilla, male or female?

I always thought it was the wife and the hood was for mourning, but if it is a chimp that makes it cross breeding!

Any ideas on this?

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Yeah, I have a comment... I can't see what you're seeing, so I really
can't comment on it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> More responses from Brian....
>
> Hey, I think this looks like a CHIMP - the snout in particular.
>
> I have another speculation - maybe it IS a female gorilla, and
since it
> would be the ONLY one we see (or am I wrong - do we see another?)
maybe
> they tried to make her look to have a different snout?
>
> I don't know - ideas? Comments?
>
> Michael
>

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 4:55:45 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Was that "Vicki the Talking Chimp"?

 

Maybe, I can't remember her name.

That was about 30 years ago.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 6:42:42 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Can you imagine?

How could we allow it?

 

The real question is how can we prevent it?

I think that all the people in Borneo should be

removed and possibly locked up in zoos in

orangutan cages and the Orangs should be

put in charge of the government of Borneo.

Seems fair.

 

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 7:15:10 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

What was the purpose of Milo in the movie? 

 

The answer to that question answers all the others.

He is a plot device to get Z & C back to the present.

He's killed off quickly to prevent having to answer

questions such as the ones you've posed.

 

 

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I can't see Caesar mating with an ape that looks like Heloise.  In fact, I can't believe that we're expected to believe they're both the same species.  They should have suggested that the slave apes were genetically altered.  That would go a long way to explaining the difference in appearance, but bak in the early 70s that sort of science was almost unheard of.

 

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Yeah, Michael. Those of us who come to the DG through the Yahoo
Groups site don't get the picture. Please post that in the photos
files for us to see. Thanks.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have a comment... I can't see what you're seeing, so I
really
> can't comment on it.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > More responses from Brian....
> >
> > Hey, I think this looks like a CHIMP - the snout in particular.
> >
> > I have another speculation - maybe it IS a female gorilla, and
> since it
> > would be the ONLY one we see (or am I wrong - do we see another?)
> maybe
> > they tried to make her look to have a different snout?
> >
> > I don't know - ideas? Comments?
> >
> > Michael
> >

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:57:09 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Yeah, Michael.  Those of us who come to the DG through the Yahoo
Groups site don't get the picture.  Please post that in the photos
files for us to see.  Thanks.

 

For those who do get embedded pics I've tried to

clean it up a bit, but screen captures can be very

grainy.  The nose is very chimp like.  Though the

muzzle does seem pronounced, but her coloring

is awfully light for a gorilla.  I think they had to

make compromises to make her identifiably female.

Probably a big reason why we don't see females from

the other ape species, at least not until Conquest.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I do believe that was her then. I doubt there was ever more than one.

Michael

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 4:55:45 AM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Was that "Vicki the Talking Chimp"?


Maybe, I can't remember her name.
That was about 30 years ago.

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 4:20:37 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I do believe that was her then.   I doubt there was ever more than one.

Posibly.  There aren't any dates mentioned or anything,

but it sounds like her from the article I found on the net.

Different spelling though . . .Viki.

 

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This is valid.

Helen, please re-write your theory! ;)

Michael

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I can't see Caesar mating with an ape that looks like Heloise. In fact,
I can't believe that we're expected to believe they're both the same
species. They should have suggested that the slave apes were genetically
altered. That would go a long way to explaining the difference in
appearance, but bak in the early 70s that sort of science was almost
unheard of.

Oh, go and rewrite your theory! ;)

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: Whitty, Michael [Michael.Whitty@...]
Sent: Friday, 12 November 2004 8:44 AM
To: whitty@...
Subject: FW: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Questions on the hooded ape!

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:46:09 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: FW: Questions on the hooded ape!
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Yeah, Michael. Those of us who come to the DG through the Yahoo
Groups site don't get the picture. Please post that in the photos
files for us to see. Thanks.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, I have a comment... I can't see what you're seeing, so I
really
> can't comment on it.
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > More responses from Brian....
> >
> > Hey, I think this looks like a CHIMP - the snout in particular.
> >
> > I have another speculation - maybe it IS a female gorilla, and
> since it
> > would be the ONLY one we see (or am I wrong - do we see another?)
> maybe
> > they tried to make her look to have a different snout?
> >
> > I don't know - ideas? Comments?
> >
> > Michael

I agree with you 100% T, so you MUST ne right! ;)

T, could you upload a cleaned up version to the files for us? If not,
send it to me and I will.

Michael

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In a message dated 11/11/2004 3:57:09 PM Central Standard Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

Yeah, Michael. Those of us who come to the DG through the Yahoo Groups
site don't get the picture. Please post that in the photos files for us
to see. Thanks.



For those who do get embedded pics I've tried to clean it up a bit, but
screen captures can be very grainy. The nose is very chimp like.
Though the muzzle does seem pronounced, but her coloring is awfully
light for a gorilla. I think they had to make compromises to make her
identifiably female.Probably a big reason why we don't see females from
the other ape species, at least not until Conquest.

Hey - it is Patrick's job to pick up spelling errors....but yeah, in his
absence.... ;)

Michael

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> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 11/11/2004 4:20:37 PM Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

I do believe that was her then. I doubt there was ever more than one.

Posibly. There aren't any dates mentioned or anything,
but it sounds like her from the article I found on the net. Different
spelling though . . .Viki.

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Yeah, you should have seen Heloise in her younger days!!

I stick by my theory.

Besides, I'm not finished yet.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> This is valid.
>
> Helen, please re-write your theory! ;)
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 8:41:35 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: My theory?? [part 3]
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> I can't see Caesar mating with an ape that looks like Heloise. In
fact,
> I can't believe that we're expected to believe they're both the same
> species. They should have suggested that the slave apes were
genetically
> altered. That would go a long way to explaining the difference in
> appearance, but bak in the early 70s that sort of science was almost
> unheard of.

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Oh boy - I'm getting a scarey mental picture here!

Michael

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Yeah, you should have seen Heloise in her younger days!!