Actually, this is something that would be important in a
modernised "remake" or "reimagining" or whatever.

In "Planet" there were some very 60's/early 70's themes.

If Planet were to be re-explored they could absolutely do a
comparison to fast-food addiction.

However wouldn't Zaius be there closing down the ApeDonald's Drive-
Throughs?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> If they are seriously "aping" us then YES!
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: taebokitti@a...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@A...]
> > Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:43:13 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> Do you think the apes would like gourmet coffee? Do you think
eventually
> there would be Starbucks or the ape versian of Starbucks in their
cities
> and
> towns? Elaine

.html <.html

Got this in the mail today � it is SUPERB!

 

Can�t talk � gotta drool!

 

Chris, what�s your PayPal Account address so I can send some money your way?

 

Michael

I have the feeling you know where this chimp is. Do you?


--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/18/04 11:22:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> apefan23@y... writes:
>
>
> > Somewhere I've seen a pic of a makeup person making up
> > baby Milo...I didn't think they added anythin...just
> > adjusted his coloring to fit with the adult makeup..
> > Tim
> >
>
> No, they had to get his nose to look like his parents in the last
shot. The
> baby chimp is wearing an appliance over his nose. How they kept
the chimp
> from tearing it off I'll never know. I hope they weren't mean to
it. You can
> see film of them putting it on in the ESCAPE featurette that's in
BEHIND THE
> PLANET OF THE APES and on the two DVDs (POTA 35th Anniversary).
>
> The baby chimp was a girl, by the way.
>
> -- Rory

.html.html In a message dated 12/18/2004 7:04:11 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

If Planet were to be re-explored they could absolutely do a
comparison to fast-food addiction.

Here we go... Off into ADVENTURE comics land again... It'd be their APE-CITY all over again!! Exactly what "fast foods" would they be addicted to? They don't eat meat, and they wouldn't "deep fry" their fruits and vegetables...

<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/18/2004 8:27:11 PM Central Standard Time, at_deaths_door@... writes:

Might of already been brought up before, but why in all the houses and buildings that apes make the doors are all weirdly shaped? None of them seem rectangular... Wouldn't that be a bigger pain in the butt to have to fabricate a door all lopsided and round than an easy rectangle?

It's all called set design ... Creber liked the look of the carved in stone Troglodyte City, and imitated the weird angles/shapes it has (had)... I guess incorporating odd sized doors went hand in hand with the rest of the designs he came up with... The odd doors are just something that look cool... There's no hidden meaning to it... (Unless you're Eric Greene of course, who would read into it that the odd shaped doors are a metaphor... The lopsided doors represent Taylor's entrance into the "lopsided" world ruled by Apes...)

<.html <.html

Looks great, Neil- as does the other work!

> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
> group.
>
> File : /Members' Art gallery/planet of the aches.jpg
> Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@h...>
> Description : Simian morphology (spoof caricature from Foster )

Ditto!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...> wrote:
> How about a pic so I can drool too! Hate to drool vicariously
through you without seeing it first!
>
> -Chris

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: pota@yahoogroups.com ; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 7:46 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [Planet of the Apes] Stupid question...

In a message dated 12/18/2004 8:27:11 PM Central Standard Time, at_deaths_door@... writes:

Might of already been brought up before, but why in all the houses and buildings that apes make the doors are all weirdly shaped? None of them seem rectangular... Wouldn't that be a bigger pain in the butt to have to fabricate a door all lopsided and round than an easy rectangle?

It's all called set design... Creber liked the look of the carved in stone Troglodyte City, and imitated the weird angles/shapes it has (had)... I guess incorporating odd sized doors went hand in hand with the rest of the designs he came up with... The odd doors are just something that look cool... There's no hidden meaning to it... (Unless you're Eric Greene of course, who would read into it that the odd shaped doors are a metaphor... The lopsided doors represent Taylor's entrance into the "lopsided" world ruled by Apes...)

<.html

.html As the ape society advances, at some point they would either have fast food or human slaves to prepare meals for them. Elaine<.html

.html Gideon is gorgeous, isn't he!  I have him in a curio cabinet in my livingroom. Elaine<.html

.html We can get really deep here and ask the big question "would the apes drink lattes?"<.html

.html We now know that chimps do eat meat and they would probably come up with salted banana chips or something like that. Elaine<.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/18/2004 11:24:53 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

We now know that chimps do eat meat

That is present day chimps... The chimps in PLANET have developed a new way of life as their intelligence was evolving... If you watched the films, you'd see that in them, they are not meat eaters (anymore)... They are against eating meat... It's brought up in BATTLE, as well as in the TV series episode "The Good Seeds"... Eating meat is a "human thing", and they don't follow it...

<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/18/2004 11:16:04 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

As the ape society advances, at some point they would either have fast food or human slaves to prepare meals for them.

What Ape Society are we talking about? In the first two movies, their civilization was pretty much at a stand still... They weren't advancing much, if at all... Where the hell fast food would fit in in a stagnant society, I'd like to hear that...

<.html <.html

Wow! More new members!

Welcome!
Please feel free to jump in and contribute if a subject takes your
fancy, or start one up yourself!

MAKE SURE YOU GO TO THE HOMEPAGE AND READ THE NEW PLANET OF THE APES
TV SHOW COMIC BOOK - GOING HOME!!!

Go to the homepage, scroll down to around the middle of the page and
click on the link underneath the logo....this will take you to the
PDF file of the first 3 pages.

Another new ongoing comic strip called WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES
can be found in the files section of the group or you can just click
on the handy link on the Home Page to view the latest and previous
chapters!

Don't forget we also have 3 other groups 'attached' to the main one.

First up there is the DG Archives group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/
This group was created to store old posts from the group which have
been deleted from the main site. we have to do this periodically to
free up space as Yahoo does not allot much space to the groups
anymore.
As this group is so active we tend to fill up very quickly and
instead of losing old posts forever we like to keep a copy of them
all. They can be found in the Files section listed by month and
year .


There is also the DG Fan Fiction group where members can place, in
the group's Files section, their Fan Fiction stories, poems etc. to
be enjoyed by all:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupfanfiction/


Finally there's the Photos group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/
Where photos and files are occasionally moved to save space on the
main DG group

All the sites can be easily accessed via the links on each one's
Home Page.

And don't forget to check out the DG group's vast Photos section and
all that great stuff in the Files section.
While you're here why not participate in a Poll or check out all
those wonderful links and generally have a fun filled family
experience!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Naked (in the sauna, in a cage) they get HUGE! ;)

-- I always told myself this was because the steam fluffed up their
fur. Or would it have the opposite effect?

Neil

If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made the box for then it looks
like this:

http://www.megostore.com/mc/images/usergallery/980112654911.jpg

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Mike R" <mego73@h...> wrote:

> If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made the box for then it

looks like this:

>
> http://www.megostore.com/mc/images/usergallery/980112654911.jpg

-- Yep, that's the one. Nice box Mike.

Neil

He looks GREAT!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 4:16:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Gideon Action Figure
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Gideon is gorgeous, isn't he! I have him in a curio cabinet in my
livingroom. Elaine

Veggie Pizza?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/18/2004 7:04:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > If Planet were to be re-explored they could absolutely do a
> > comparison to fast-food addiction.
>
> Here we go... Off into ADVENTURE comics land again... It'd be
their APE-CITY
> all over again!! Exactly what "fast foods" would they be addicted
to? They
> don't eat meat, and they wouldn't "deep fry" their fruits and
vegetables...

I wonder what they DO eat? Do they eat in restaurants?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:29:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Veggie Pizza?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/18/2004 7:04:11 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > If Planet were to be re-explored they could absolutely do a
> > comparison to fast-food addiction.
>
> Here we go... Off into ADVENTURE comics land again... It'd be
their APE-CITY
> all over again!! Exactly what "fast foods" would they be addicted
to? They
> don't eat meat, and they wouldn't "deep fry" their fruits and
vegetables...

.html.html In a message dated 12/18/04 9:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, at_deaths_door@... writes:

Might of already been brought up before, but, why in all the houses and buildings that apes make the doors are all wierdly shaped? None of them seem rectangular... wouldn't that be a bigger pain in the butt to have to fabriacate a door all lopsided and roundy than an easy rectangle?

Just wondering!

-Chris

You're right, a stupid question.

Apes don't do things simply!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:05 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Stupid question...

In a message dated 12/18/04 9:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, at_deaths_door@... writes:

Might of already been brought up before, but, why in all the houses and buildings that apes make the doors are all wierdly shaped? None of them seem rectangular... wouldn't that be a bigger pain in the butt to have to fabriacate a door all lopsided and roundy than an easy rectangle?

Just wondering!

-Chris

You're right, a stupid question.

Apes don't do things simply!

-- Rory

<.html

I know it probably wasn't intended, but it makes sense to me that
they wouldn't really have the mathematical understanding to measure,
make calculations, plan, etc to produce what would be a symmetrical
or balanced doorway (or building, or stairway, or desk, or
whatever).

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Apes can tranfuse blood directly from one body to another. They
perform miracles. How dare we judge them! - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Haristas@a...
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Stupid question...
>
>
> In a message dated 12/18/04 9:05:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
at_deaths_door@y... writes:
>
>
>
> Might of already been brought up before, but, why in all the
houses and buildings that apes make the doors are all wierdly
shaped? None of them seem rectangular... wouldn't that be a bigger
pain in the butt to have to fabriacate a door all lopsided and
roundy than an easy rectangle?
>
> Just wondering!
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> You're right, a stupid question.
>
> Apes don't do things simply!
>
> -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I'm really impressed with this new comic, guys!

Neil and Michael have put out a great three page teaser that I hope
you have all taken a look at...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Going%
20Home/GoingHome_01.pdf . The likenesses to our TV heroes are
incredible! I don't know where the story is going, but I love the
introduction.

Thanks, guys!

--Helen

Gideon looks great! Another example of the huge amount of talent
that bubbles through this group. I would love to come up with the
money for one of these, guys. I hope you still have them around
when the comic is available -- and I have paid off my Sideshow
investment!!

What a tribute to the brainchild of Dave Ballard and our own Neil
Foster (and Michael Whitty)!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike R" <mego73@h...> wrote:
> If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made the box for then it
looks
> like this:
>
> http://www.megostore.com/mc/images/usergallery/980112654911.jpg

I think in the "Tomorrow's Tide" adaptation it says the apes use fish as
fertilizer. And there are some vegetarians who feel fish is OK. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 8:39 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: children of the apes


>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> > no, all these similarities jumped out at me.
> > because i am always thinking pota LOL
> > "go vegetarian" prints automatically at the bottom of my emails.
> > like the apes in battle, i also chew nuts.
>
> *** Don't you mean "like the humans in BATTLE"? Vegetarianism is
> forced on the humans by Caesar's orders -- as MacDonald says, "... at
> our master's command..."
>
> Virgil, when he's requisitioning a pistol from Mandemus, mentions
> that MacDonald -- "with Caesar's permission" -- may wish to
> shoot/cook/eat a rabbit.
>
> I wonder... after "BATTLE", after MacDonald implored Caesar to "free
> us COMPLETELY", did Caesar throw the anti-carnivorism law off the
> books? The humans have a destiny, too... and the diet they evolved
> with involves the ingestion of animal protein, like it or not.
>
> Were fish considered "vegetarian fare"? In "TOMORROW'S TIDE", are the
> fish being caught only for use as fertilizer on the farms? Or do the
> apes eat fish, the way some vegetarians today don't consider fish-
> meat to be on-par with land-animal meat? If the apes DON'T eat fish,
> do they still allow humans to do so (in 3085, that is)?
>
> Patrick
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
> >
> > Rob/Ron, do you look for POTA comparisons in movies, or did this
> just jump out at you? I saw this movie a few months ago, and it
> didn't hit me.
> >
> > By the way, what's "go vegetarian" mean? Does it have something to
> do with POTA.
> >
> > Glad you're not hiding your alias anymore.
> >
> > John O.
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
> wrote:
> > > i recently saw an old movie called "children of the damned" i
> enjoyed it, and it reminded me of the pota movies. for example, much
> of the action takes place in an abandoned cathedral (that is later
> stormed by an army!) also, there is a character that really reminds
> me of hasslein. (he fears that children will become great danger to
> human race). and one other thing: the children in the cathedral: a
> female, a black male, but no fat kid LOL
> > > rob/ron
> > > >
> > > go vegetarian!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

For those who don't visit the homepage regularly, I just want to
mention that Beware the Beast can still be accessed through the
homepage or follow this link:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Misc./Stuff/Bewaret
heBeast2.htm

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/18/2004 11:24:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > We now know that chimps do eat meat
>
> That is present day chimps... The chimps in PLANET have developed a

new way of life as their intelligence was evolving... If you watched
the films, you'd see that in them, they are not meat eaters
(anymore)... They are against eating meat... It's brought up in
BATTLE, as well as in the TV series episode "The Good Seeds"...
Eating meat is a "human thing", and they don't follow it...
==================================================================

*** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized bones
of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
exception to the rule?

In my scenario, of course, the carnivorism of those particular apes
(gorillas) is explained by the notion that they were a "splitter"-
group that despised humans (and human-loving apes) enough to separate
themselves, so as not to incur any 'taint' from them, sorta the way
the Essenes at Qumran separated themselves from the Pagans and the
Hellenized Jews of their day, in the caves and monastery on the shore
of the Dead Sea.

But when they run out of food (i.e. fruit to pick off the trees),
they resort -- at first -- to eating anything that might possibly
provide sustenance other than flesh (twigs, grass, etc)... until
flesh is the ONLY option left to them. Maybe they eat just fish for a
while -- they're in a cave overlooking the Sea, after all. Maybe they
have to resort to hunting humans (with those "arrowheads of quartz"),
using the "cutting tools" to shear the meat from their bones.

Maybe they end up resorting to cannibalism, at the last. It happened
to the Donner Party. It could happen to ANY group that became
isolated and desperate for food.

But at least THIS group -- the gorillas whose bones remained in the
Cave that Cornelius found -- did become "carnivorous".

As I recall, in Marvel's "EVOLUTION'S NIGHTMARE", the unlikely duo
who form an alliance -- a human with lame legs and a gorilla with
lame arms -- have to work together, like Urko and Burke in "THE
TRAP", to survive their predicament; at one point, the man (on the
gorilla's shoulders) shoots a rabbit-like animal and cooks it and
eats some of it...

...but then the gorilla, who is as hungry as the man, and whose legs
the man needs to get them both somewhere safe, insists on the man
feeding that cooked animal flesh to him (since his hands are useless
at the moment).

Granted, that situation represents an extreme, an unorthodox dietary
decision based on necessity. I can imagine Cornelius' "carnivorous
gorillas" as having behaved with similar desperation.

And then there's Maguanas and his "Assimians", or "Assissimians", in
Marvel's "TERROR" series. At one point, they capture Alexander the
chimp and Malaguena the gypsy-babe and tie 'em up on stakes and light
a fire beneath 'em. Just to kill them? Or to kill and COOK them?

I think it likely that Caesar instituted the all-veggie dietary laws
when he became the King of the apes (and peasant-class humans),
because he saw Man's wickedness rooted in his cruelty to animals. Man
had once loved some animals -- enough to have domesticated them (Dogs
and Cats). But when those critters died in the 1983 plague, Man tried
to replace them with monkeys and apes...

But, as Breck points out, Man saw in the Ape "the dark side" of
himself. The "subhuman"/"untermensch". Out of a hatred of his own
savage ancestry, Man treated his Alter Ego -- the Ape -- with
cruelty. And, Caesar probably thought to himself, if Man could be
FORCED to live a life free of cruelty-to-animals, by being restricted
to a diet that did NOT involve the killing of another creature --
even for food -- then perhaps Man could be redeemed from his "evil"
nature. Caesar probably thinks he's doing Man a favor by ruling over
their lives in this way, micromanaging things so as to keep Man from
cultivating the savage within him.

Of course, he has to face the fact later that Aldo -- a vegetarian,
presumably -- is prone to savagery at least as bad as that of the
humans he has judged unfit to govern themselves.

Patrick

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/04 11:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I know it probably wasn't intended, but it makes sense to me that
they wouldn't really have the mathematical understanding to measure,
make calculations, plan, etc to produce what would be a symmetrical
or balanced doorway (or building, or stairway, or desk, or
whatever). 

--Helen

Oh, I think they had the mathematical understanding, Helen.  Come on!  You know the real reason, Helen....


They liked to monkey around with it!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Hi Patrick!

You know what? If I read your stuff long enough, I'm going to start
to forget what is "POTA truth" and start to believe "Patrick's
truth." You've certainly got some good ideas about what might have
been. One day, maybe your scenario will become canon...

...Or not...

--Helen




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/18/2004 11:24:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> > taebokitti@a... writes:
> >
> > > We now know that chimps do eat meat
> >
> > That is present day chimps... The chimps in PLANET have

developed a

> new way of life as their intelligence was evolving... If you

watched

> the films, you'd see that in them, they are not meat eaters
> (anymore)... They are against eating meat... It's brought up in
> BATTLE, as well as in the TV series episode "The Good Seeds"...
> Eating meat is a "human thing", and they don't follow it...
> ==================================================================
>
> *** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized

bones

> of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
> exception to the rule?
>
> In my scenario, of course, the carnivorism of those particular

apes

> (gorillas) is explained by the notion that they were a "splitter"-
> group that despised humans (and human-loving apes) enough to

separate

> themselves, so as not to incur any 'taint' from them, sorta the

way

> the Essenes at Qumran separated themselves from the Pagans and the
> Hellenized Jews of their day, in the caves and monastery on the

shore

> of the Dead Sea.
>
> But when they run out of food (i.e. fruit to pick off the trees),
> they resort -- at first -- to eating anything that might possibly
> provide sustenance other than flesh (twigs, grass, etc)... until
> flesh is the ONLY option left to them. Maybe they eat just fish

for a

> while -- they're in a cave overlooking the Sea, after all. Maybe

they

> have to resort to hunting humans (with those "arrowheads of

quartz"),

> using the "cutting tools" to shear the meat from their bones.
>
> Maybe they end up resorting to cannibalism, at the last. It

happened

> to the Donner Party. It could happen to ANY group that became
> isolated and desperate for food.
>
> But at least THIS group -- the gorillas whose bones remained in

the

> Cave that Cornelius found -- did become "carnivorous".
>
> As I recall, in Marvel's "EVOLUTION'S NIGHTMARE", the unlikely duo
> who form an alliance -- a human with lame legs and a gorilla with
> lame arms -- have to work together, like Urko and Burke in "THE
> TRAP", to survive their predicament; at one point, the man (on the
> gorilla's shoulders) shoots a rabbit-like animal and cooks it and
> eats some of it...
>
> ...but then the gorilla, who is as hungry as the man, and whose

legs

> the man needs to get them both somewhere safe, insists on the man
> feeding that cooked animal flesh to him (since his hands are

useless

> at the moment).
>
> Granted, that situation represents an extreme, an unorthodox

dietary

> decision based on necessity. I can imagine Cornelius' "carnivorous
> gorillas" as having behaved with similar desperation.
>
> And then there's Maguanas and his "Assimians", or "Assissimians",

in

> Marvel's "TERROR" series. At one point, they capture Alexander the
> chimp and Malaguena the gypsy-babe and tie 'em up on stakes and

light

> a fire beneath 'em. Just to kill them? Or to kill and COOK them?
>
> I think it likely that Caesar instituted the all-veggie dietary

laws

> when he became the King of the apes (and peasant-class humans),
> because he saw Man's wickedness rooted in his cruelty to animals.

Man

> had once loved some animals -- enough to have domesticated them

(Dogs

> and Cats). But when those critters died in the 1983 plague, Man

tried

> to replace them with monkeys and apes...
>
> But, as Breck points out, Man saw in the Ape "the dark side" of
> himself. The "subhuman"/"untermensch". Out of a hatred of his own
> savage ancestry, Man treated his Alter Ego -- the Ape -- with
> cruelty. And, Caesar probably thought to himself, if Man could be
> FORCED to live a life free of cruelty-to-animals, by being

restricted

> to a diet that did NOT involve the killing of another creature --
> even for food -- then perhaps Man could be redeemed from

his "evil"

> nature. Caesar probably thinks he's doing Man a favor by ruling

over

> their lives in this way, micromanaging things so as to keep Man

from

> cultivating the savage within him.
>
> Of course, he has to face the fact later that Aldo -- a

vegetarian,

> presumably -- is prone to savagery at least as bad as that of the
> humans he has judged unfit to govern themselves.
>
> Patrick

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/04 12:55:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Hi Patrick!

You know what?  If I read your stuff long enough, I'm going to start
to forget what is "POTA truth" and start to believe "Patrick's
truth."  You've certainly got some good ideas about what might have
been.  One day, maybe your scenario will become canon... 

...Or not...

--Helen

As I said years ago, most of Patrick's attempts at POTA canon should be put in a canon and fired!

Poor Patrick, he's so into APES.... I think he's POTA Crazy!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html There are probably a few chimps who go against the grain and still eat meat. They may not be the majority but they are there on pota. Elaine<.html

.html I doubt there is any fast food in Battle but possibly in the original movie time frame. In the original movie the apes were progressing in different directions such as experimenting and studying humans. Elaine<.html

.html Great box, Mike! Elaine<.html

.html Excellent, Patrick! The comic you mention about the gorilla and human working together because they are disabled is one of my favorites. I believe most mammals will eat anything if they are in a desperate enough situation. Elaine<.html

.html I too just looked at the new comic and I love the story, it was exciting to see the astronauts being chased by gorillas. Looking forward to more. Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/19/04 11:28:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I know it probably wasn't intended, but it makes sense to me

that

> > they wouldn't really have the mathematical understanding to

measure,

> > make calculations, plan, etc to produce what would be a

symmetrical

> > or balanced doorway (or building, or stairway, or desk, or
> > whatever).
> >
> > --Helen
> >
>
> Oh, I think they had the mathematical understanding, Helen. Come

on! You

> know the real reason, Helen....
>
>
> They liked to monkey around with it!
>
> -- Rory

BINGO!

But, really, though. Even blood transfusions don't take intellect.
You just put the pieces together (needles, tubes, etc), find the
veins (takes a little practice), and see if the people react
positively or not. Luckily for the apes (and people who wrote the
story), Taylor and Nova were compatible. ;)

What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding of
math and science? (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a theory
about that!)

--Helen

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/04 1:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding of
math and science?  (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a theory
about that!)

--Helen

Well, they had photography.  If you know anything about that you know it takes a little knowledge of M & S.

And you can monkey around with it!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 1:45:27 AM Central Standard Time, mego73@... writes:

If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made the box for then it looks
like this:

To all those involved, it really did turn out nice... What would something like that cost anyway?

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 8:24:36 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Veggie Pizza?

No

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 7:49:49 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I wonder what they DO eat?

They eat fruits and vegetables... Corn seems to be a staple of their diet (they even grind flour from the corn...) and of course they like their Opars...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:28:15 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

they wouldn't really have the mathematical understanding to measure,
make calculations, plan, etc to produce what would be a symmetrical
or balanced doorway (or building, or stairway, or desk, or
whatever). 

The odd shaped buildings are their chosen architectural design... They can build pretty symmetrically when they see fit... Look at the Ape City Arena/Amphitheater (the same set used a few years later in "The Gladiators")... It's well designed and has basically level stairs and seating...

Their furniture is pretty level too... Though roughly made, their desks and tables are flat and balanced... (In PLANET and BENEATH, their chairs are also well built... It wasn't until the TV series that we seen them in chairs that are basically hollowed out trees...) They even make storage cabinets which are even...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:52:40 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I think in the "Tomorrow's Tide" adaptation it says the apes use fish as
fertilizer.

That's right... That fishing village is a fertilizer factory... (But the humans do get to eat some too... At least Virdon and Burke did...)

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 9:36:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Apes can tranfuse blood directly from one body to another. They perform miracles. How dare we judge them!

 

And don't forget their great strides in the field of photography!

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:38:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm really impressed with this new comic, guys! 

 

How do you get the boxes just right?

Do they have pre-drawn ones for comics

like story board paper or do you have to

drawn them all by hand?

 

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized bones
of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
exception to the rule?

We covered this some time back... I had even dug up something on AOL that mentioned the diet(s) of Gorillas... It mentioned that sometimes (it just might have been ZOO Gorillas) they are fed MEAT... A theory I had came up with after reading that was that this bunch you speak of may have ate meat for a time, due to their following the diet fed to them while they (or their recent ancestors) were in servitude to man...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:08:07 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Poor Patrick, he's so into APES.... I think he's POTA Crazy!



I don't know about that... He just seems to be so into trying to (as he puts it) "unflub" everything, he analyzes EVERYTHING to death...<.html <.html

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:35:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Luckily for the apes (and people who wrote the
story), Taylor and Nova were compatible. 

Maybe they're advanced enough to type blood.

 

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:55:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Well, they had photography.  If you know anything about that you know it takes a little knowledge of M & S.

And you can monkey around with it!

 

I agree, but keeping in mind both it and blood typing

and brain surgery were already invented by humans,

and they had 2000 years to advance . . . Well, thanks

to the orangs that seems to be the pinnacles of Ape

civilization.  Sorry, I seem to be on both sides of the

argument here.

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:09:52 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

They may not be the majority but they are there on pota.

Can you name one? At least with Patrick's scenario, Cornelius "suspects" that the fossilized bones he found were from "carniverous" Gorillas... That could be a mistake on Cornelius' part though... That's why I say he suspects it... He does not seem to have any bones from whatever it was that he thinks they killed and ate... He is going by arrow heads and cutting tools alone. He doesn't show any more physical eveidence to back up his theories... I think Patrick and Cornelius have the same "suspicions"... Patrick says:

In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Maybe they have to resort to hunting humans (with those "arrowheads of quartz"),
using the "cutting tools" to shear the meat from their bones.

That's a pretty big supposition from him... Just cause an ape archeologist suspects they were carniverous due to his finding arrow heads and tools, that means they were? I don't think so... I mean, if they were eating meat, then why were there no bones around from their "game"? Cornelius never mentions them, and he certainly didn't mention any human bones being found by the Gorilla bones and tools... So, Patrick's supposing they killed and ate humans is way off base... You know a simpler explanation would be that Cornelius was only speculating that they were meat eaters... He is supposing that the ancient Gorillas were meat eaters due to their having weapons and tools... The arrow heads might have been just for defense, and the cutting tools may have just been knifes used for cutting... a utilty tool, not a butchering tool...

Cornelius knows that the Gorillas in his time are Hunters and Warriors... He also seems to hold the same contempt towards them as Zira does (but he is not vocal about it as she is...) His accusing them of being "carniverous" may just have been his bigotry coming thru... He doesn't like Gorillas, so he accuses them of being "meat eaters" to say that they were savages then, as he (probably) thinks they are in his current time...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:13:35 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

In the original movie the apes were progressing in different directions such as experimenting and studying humans.

Exactly... They were experimenting medically, not to create any conveniences like restaurants...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:25:09 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

The comic you mention about the gorilla and human working together because they are disabled is one of my favorites.

That comic was just a moral tale, telling that you "can" work with your enemy... It has NO basis in this debate though... The movies (and TV series) are "canon"... The MARVEL comics are not... (Even Patrick says that, so his bringing that comic up was an ill-attempt at justifying his story...)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:29:57 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

It was exciting to see the astronauts being chased by gorillas.

While I agree with you that it is a good comic so far, I can't agree with you when you said it was exciting to see them being chased by the Gorillas... I only say that because as soon as they were spotted, the next thing you know the Astronauts were "beating up" and armed troop!!! There really was no chase!!!

<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding of

math and science? (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a theory
about that!)

-- Well they seem pretty capable of manufacturing rifles, machine
guns, pistols and the bullets to go in them. All of which need
precise manufacturing and calibration to work safely.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> How do you get the boxes just right? Do they have pre-drawn ones

for comics like story board paper or do you have to drawn them all
by hand?

-- The ones for this comic I have been doing on the computer when I
add the words and word balloons. The ones for 'Beast' though were
all done by hand with the trusty old ruler.

Neil

Did you get a box for yours Elaine?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: taebokitti@...[SMTP:TAEBOKITTI@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:12:03 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re:Gideon action figure
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Great box, Mike! Elaine

Or do they just put a wooden finish on old ones they found? ;)

What's the go with that anyway?

Was the wood finish supposed to make us think they are wooden rifles?
Was it just to look good?

Michael

> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 9:32:45 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Stupid question...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding of

math and science? (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a theory
about that!)

-- Well they seem pretty capable of manufacturing rifles, machine
guns, pistols and the bullets to go in them. All of which need
precise manufacturing and calibration to work safely.

Neil

Is M & S the same as S & M?

M

----------

> From: Haristas@...[SMTP:HARISTAS@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 5:47:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Stupid question...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/19/04 1:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sand_hill_school@... writes:

What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding of
math and science? (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a theory
about that!)

--Helen

Well, they had photography. If you know anything about that you know it
takes a little knowledge of M & S.

And you can monkey around with it!

-- Rory

What was it that made Cornelius so sure they were CARNIVORUS?

Must have been the formation of the teeth, don't you think?

Michael

> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:10:42 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized bones
of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
exception to the rule?

We covered this some time back... I had even dug up something on AOL
that
mentioned the diet(s) of Gorillas... It mentioned that sometimes (it
just
might have been ZOO Gorillas) they are fed MEAT... A theory I had came
up
with after reading that was that this bunch you speak of may have ate
meat
for a time, due to their following the diet fed to them while they (or
their
recent ancestors) were in servitude to man...

Good point - but I think you can assume those gorillas are chasing them!

I wonder what made the rocks tumble?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:49:26 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] TV Show Comic
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:29:57 PM Central Standard Time,
taebokitti@... writes:



It was exciting to see the astronauts being chased by gorillas.



While I agree with you that it is a good comic so far, I can't agree
with
you when you said it was exciting to see them being chased by the
Gorillas... I only say that because as soon as they were spotted, the
next
thing you know the Astronauts were "beating up" and armed troop!!! There
really was no chase!!!

Didn't Zaius get his knowledge from human texts and just pick and choose
what he wanted/what was dangerous for the society to know?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:22:39 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Stupid question...
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:55:44 P.M. Central Standard Time,
Haristas@... writes:

Well, they had photography. If you know anything about that you know it
takes a little knowledge of M & S.

And you can monkey around with it!

I agree, but keeping in mind both it and blood typing
and brain surgery were already invented by humans,
and they had 2000 years to advance . . . Well, thanks
to the orangs that seems to be the pinnacles of Ape
civilization. Sorry, I seem to be on both sides of the
argument here.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Or do they just put a wooden finish on old ones they found? ;)

-- And they dug out each bullet they used and then reused them
somehow? ;-)

> Was the wood finish supposed to make us think they are wooden

rifles? Was it just to look good?

-- I always thought it was to make them look like something uniquely
manufactured by the Apes.
They are so cool looking and I also love the look of the machine
guns and pistols introduced in Beneath.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Good point - but I think you can assume those gorillas are chasing

them!

-- Well that did seem to be what happened an awful lot in the TV
show.

Neil

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 4:50:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Was the wood finish supposed to make us think they are wooden rifles?
Was it just to look good?

 

What else are they going to make rifle stocks from

Space-Age plastics?  But seriously, wood has always

been the material of choice for the firearms furniture.

Sure some are all metal.  This usually involves a

barrel shroud with holes or slots in it.  But wood

is light weight, heat resistant and just looks good.

If you've ever grabbed onto a hot barrel you'll know

why wood is good.  Holes or slots in a metal barrel

shroud dissipate heat okay.  Plastics are passable.

But given my druthers, I'll choose wood every time.

 

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 4:51:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Is M & S the same as S & M?

Yes!  Math and Science are both

forms of Sadomasochism.

 

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 5:24:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I also love the look of the machine
guns and pistols introduced in Beneath.

Yeah, I don't know what those are supposed to be.

That's pistol looks like the same mud the houses

are sculpted from.  Some kind of rock pistol!

 

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Attachments :

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Not talking Boulle here, did they do surgery or just
experimentation? Maybe they opened the cranium and tickled it with
blades of grass -- still not very technical! I was developing
pictures when I was 10, so it can't take too much brainpower. ;)
And, who says they typed the blood?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:55:44 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> Well, they had photography. If you know anything about that you
know it
> takes a little knowledge of M & S.
>
> And you can monkey around with it!
>
>
>
>
> I agree, but keeping in mind both it and blood typing
> and brain surgery were already invented by humans,
> and they had 2000 years to advance . . . Well, thanks
> to the orangs that seems to be the pinnacles of Ape
> civilization. Sorry, I seem to be on both sides of the
> argument here.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Is this the wall map everyone is talking about? This has a

superimposed top layer!

> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/Misc./BTB/WestCoast.htm >

-- This map is also in our photos section in the Misc. folder.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

> I did the map. The map in the comic would be cool!

It's in Photos/Misc/TVMap (second page). Let me know if you or Neil
need a larger image.

-- John, I think we should be able to work the map into the comic
somewhere along the line, no need for a bigger version I can work
with what we have.

Would you mind if I uploaded a 'fixed up' version of your map, with
the joins edited out, to the group files?

Neil

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
group.

File : /TV Herald.jpg
Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@...>
Description :

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/TV%20Herald.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

munkeyman63au <nfoster@...>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> The announcement of this did not get much of a response as yet and

I am hoping people here can chime in with feedback and comments that
I can pass on; or alternatively you can go to the POTA2001 group and
give them direct feedback there.

> Neil, are you able to upload this to the files section and create

a link please so those who don't get the attachments can see it. It
really is a great achievement!

-- It does look very good doesn't it? I can't wait to see the
finished product and hope it is available soon if the people putting
it together aren't too busy with other things at the moment.

I have uploaded a copy to the files section.

One thing though, shouldn't there be a question mark after 'Have you
seen these men'?

Neil

Hey! This is a good point. This is probably the best example
of "science" and "math" that I've heard. Do you suppose that,
although the styles are different than what we are used to, they
could have found a factory somewhere that they used -- puching the
buttons and doing the mechanical work involved in assembly?

Just wondering -- as it seems most of what they are able to do
requires mechanical skill but not necessarily engineering ability.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > What have the Apes accomplished that took a real understanding
of
> math and science? (Forget Milo and the spaceship -- I have a
theory
> about that!)
>
> -- Well they seem pretty capable of manufacturing rifles, machine
> guns, pistols and the bullets to go in them. All of which need
> precise manufacturing and calibration to work safely.
>
> Neil

That adds a few years to the evolution schedule, doesn't it?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> What was it that made Cornelius so sure they were CARNIVORUS?
>
> Must have been the formation of the teeth, don't you think?
>
> Michael
>
> > ----------
> > From: mlccougar@a...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@A...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:10:42 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> *** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized
bones
> of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
> exception to the rule?
>
> We covered this some time back... I had even dug up something on
AOL
> that
> mentioned the diet(s) of Gorillas... It mentioned that sometimes
(it
> just
> might have been ZOO Gorillas) they are fed MEAT... A theory I had
came
> up
> with after reading that was that this bunch you speak of may have
ate
> meat
> for a time, due to their following the diet fed to them while they
(or
> their
> recent ancestors) were in servitude to man...

It would .... or is it the stones and spears?

Hmmm....

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 11:45:41 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

That adds a few years to the evolution schedule, doesn't it?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> What was it that made Cornelius so sure they were CARNIVORUS?
>
> Must have been the formation of the teeth, don't you think?
>
> Michael
>
> > ----------
> > From: mlccougar@a...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@A...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 8:10:42 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> *** That's the Rule, granted... but what about "the fossilized
bones
> of CARNIVOROUS gorillas" that Cornelius found? Is this not an
> exception to the rule?
>
> We covered this some time back... I had even dug up something on
AOL
> that
> mentioned the diet(s) of Gorillas... It mentioned that sometimes
(it
> just

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 6:06:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

And, who says they typed the blood?

Common sense.

<.html

Sure, I'd like to see that.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> -- John, I think we should be able to work the map into the comic
> somewhere along the line, no need for a bigger version I can work
> with what we have.
>
> Would you mind if I uploaded a 'fixed up' version of your map,
with
> the joins edited out, to the group files?
>
> Neil

Doors were invented by humans, too (which is where this all
started). So, why don't they make rectangle doors on their houses?
They have rectangle doors on the wagon cages. I'd have to agree
that the doors on their buildings are their architectural style as
some one already said.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> I agree, but keeping in mind both it and blood typing
> and brain surgery were already invented by humans,
> and they had 2000 years to advance . . . Well, thanks
> to the orangs that seems to be the pinnacles of Ape
> civilization. Sorry, I seem to be on both sides of the
> argument here.

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In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:34:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Doors were invented by humans, too (which is where this all
started).  So, why don't they make rectangle doors on their houses? 
They have rectangle doors on the wagon cages.  I'd have to agree
that the doors on their buildings are their architectural style as
some one already said.

 

I think because they ape everything.

They're trying to imitate a human

door, but they didn't imitate the things

you have to do to make a door, i.e.

measure, square the angles, etc...

They just hack a hole in the wall and

then whittle on the door until it fits. 

On the other hand maybe they just have

a really good sense of style.

 

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Just wondering if you made the chemicals and film when you were 10
and developing pictures? The apes have to do that part of it as
well. Unless they have a non-degraded stockpile of film and
chemicals that are 1500 - 2000 years old. Kinda doubt it.

Zaius mentioned experimental brain surgery... didn't hear anything
about tickling or blades of grass. Look what they did to Landon -
without killing him.

And "blood transfusions don't take intellect"? Where'd they get the
needles and tubes? Did it take any intellect to create those?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> Not talking Boulle here, did they do surgery or just
> experimentation? Maybe they opened the cranium and tickled it

with

> blades of grass -- still not very technical! I was developing
> pictures when I was 10, so it can't take too much brainpower. ;)
> And, who says they typed the blood?
>
> --Helen
>

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/04 11:34:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Doors were invented by humans, too (which is where this all
started).  So, why don't they make rectangle doors on their houses? 
They have rectangle doors on the wagon cages.  I'd have to agree
that the doors on their buildings are their architectural style as
some one already said.

John O.

All right, I guess I better tell you all what the reason for all this is.  To pacify the baby apes in the old days of Ape Management, their human keepers used to show them old repeats of "The Flintstones" and the architecture of Bedrock stuck in their collective simian minds.  Now you know the rest of the story, OK?  Nuff said.  End of discussion.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Before this thread I figured they were just hacks, too. But if you
look at the precision that is needed in other parts of their world
(as different people have mentioned), the doors don't makes
sense... Unless they feel the precision isn't needed in their
architecture or they don't have enough mathematicians graduated from
Ape City College.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:34:31 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> jspy@w... writes:
>
> Doors were invented by humans, too (which is where this all
> started). So, why don't they make rectangle doors on their
houses?
> They have rectangle doors on the wagon cages. I'd have to agree
> that the doors on their buildings are their architectural style
as
> some one already said.
>
>
>
> I think because they ape everything.
> They're trying to imitate a human
> door, but they didn't imitate the things
> you have to do to make a door, i.e.
> measure, square the angles, etc...
> They just hack a hole in the wall and
> then whittle on the door until it fits.
> On the other hand maybe they just have
> a really good sense of style.

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 4:54:53 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Must have been the formation of the teeth, don't you think?

Whitty,

ALL apes have "canine" teeth, not just Gorillas...

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.html Too bad the two disabled characters couldn't have gone to a coffee shop and talked over their differences. Elaine<.html

.html You must have been happy to see the gorillas beat up the astronauts, at least the gorillas were stronger than the astronauts so your point about their strength is shown here. Elaine<.html

.html Yes, I did. Can't believe how good it is. Elaine<.html

Excellent job on the figure!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 1:45:27 AM Central Standard Time,
> mego73@h... writes:
>
> >
> > If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made the box for then it
looks
> > like this:
>
> To all those involved, it really did turn out nice... What would
something
> like that cost anyway?

.html.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

The announcement of this did not get much of a response as yet and
I am hoping people here can chime in with feedback and comments that
I can pass on; or alternatively you can go to the POTA group and
give them direct feedback there.

I think this mock-up looks great... I'll be looking forward to buying one when it's available... Out of curiousity, since it's being (partially) handled by the same people that put together Simian Scrolls, will this too be a charitable effort?<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:22:04 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

But you and I know that those conveniences such as restaurants, coffee shops, night clubs, pet salons etc. would have all come along at some point if the world wasn't blown up in Beneath

Where do you get some of this stuff? The Apes basically shun anything deemed too high tech (i.e. "Too Human=Too destructive.") Those Apes in the know know that Man and his technology brought about his destruction... The Zaius types of the Ape world do not let them get to technologically advanced, because they fear that if their society would become tainted and corrupt as Humanity did, it would lead to their own destruction... The TV Zaius said it well when he says "Knowledge... Death and destruction... In the History of this world one has been the same as the other..." and he also goes on to say "If the knowledge in here is set free, it will spread out of control..." You're seriously going to say that with attitudes like that, that the Apes Hierarchy will suddenly have a change of heart and allow such things? Even things that you may think they'd allow like night clubs? No way!!! All those things are too human...

Coffee shops, night clubs, and the like may be a part of Boulle's book, but they'd never be a part of the movie setting of PLANET/BENEATH...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:22:17 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I also believe that Cornelius is an experienced archaelogist and is good at reconstructing past civilizations and groups.

Cornelius is only as good as the Academy would allow him to be... He never really got to do any explorations on his own... (Even his short lived trip to the Forbidden Zone was cut short by Zaius... They never really say why his orders were exceeded, but Zaius apparently thought so...) He would have been taught by the Academy, so whatever techniques they used are what he would have used... (Until/unless he got to the point of where he was able to go off on his own and develop his own techniques and theories...) He was still pretty young and inexperienced, so he was not as skilled as you might think... That's not to say he wasn't good, but as far as being an expert, I'd doubt it...

If he feels he sees evidence of meat eaters then then they were carnivious.

Where do you get this? As I said in an earlier post, there was no evidence in that deposit of animal remains to show any proof that those Gorillas were eating meat... He based that THEORY on the fact that he found crude weaponry... Weapons don't equate eating meat... They were probably weapons for self defense...

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I think they just wanted a "rustic" look?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: John O.[SMTP:JSPY@...]
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 4:00:27 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Stupid question...
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>

Before this thread I figured they were just hacks, too. But if you
look at the precision that is needed in other parts of their world
(as different people have mentioned), the doors don't makes
sense... Unless they feel the precision isn't needed in their
architecture or they don't have enough mathematicians graduated from
Ape City College.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 10:34:31 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> jspy@w... writes:
>
> Doors were invented by humans, too (which is where this all
> started). So, why don't they make rectangle doors on their
houses?
> They have rectangle doors on the wagon cages. I'd have to agree
> that the doors on their buildings are their architectural style
as
> some one already said.
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

> Sure, I'd like to see that.

-- Thanks John, I just didn't want to go ahead and change and then
put up something that someone else had created without their
permission.
I have just uploaded my 'remastered' version to the files section.

Neil