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I concede. You make several good points.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Just wondering if you made the chemicals and film when you were 10
> and developing pictures? The apes have to do that part of it as
> well. Unless they have a non-degraded stockpile of film and
> chemicals that are 1500 - 2000 years old. Kinda doubt it.
>
> Zaius mentioned experimental brain surgery... didn't hear anything
> about tickling or blades of grass. Look what they did to Landon -
> without killing him.
>
> And "blood transfusions don't take intellect"? Where'd they get
the
> needles and tubes? Did it take any intellect to create those?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Not talking Boulle here, did they do surgery or just
> > experimentation? Maybe they opened the cranium and tickled it
> with
> > blades of grass -- still not very technical! I was developing
> > pictures when I was 10, so it can't take too much
brainpower. ;)
> > And, who says they typed the blood?
> >
> > --Helen
> >

I remember once seeing a listing for "little wooden dolls." The
picture showed a lovely pile of dried leaves. Shipping/handling was
$84.00.

Does this "thing" really exist?

--Helen





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, HollowedOut <at_deaths_door@y...>
wrote:

> From the sounds of this seller he's a nutty nut job... well, he

deals with fabricating guns to make them autmatic and loves
the 'Cudas... well maybe not nuts but definatly a redneck!! LOL...
anyone try to guess what the hell a BOOPS is??? I found it trying to
find a Big Jim pistol for my PACK Jim... a mystery I tell ya!

>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?

ViewItem&rd=1&item=5932639575&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT

>
> Check out the description.. yuyuyuyuyuyuyuyu.... the mystery

deepens.

>
> Lou what the hell's a BOOPS??????
>
> -Chris
>
>
> ---------------------------------

The Gideon figure costs around $120 with a box made by
Mike Rogers. We are currently changing the box design
thx to Neil Foster's amazing POTA artwork.

CH

> > > If it's the figure Chris Hight made and I made
> the box for then it
> looks
> > > like this:
> >
> > To all those involved, it really did turn out
> nice... What would
> something
> > like that cost anyway?
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

And their cameras had a small bird in them who had to
quickly chisel out the image taken......and then make
a smart comment about it. ....!

Tim

> All right, I guess I better tell you all what the
> reason for all this is. To
> pacify the baby apes in the old days of Ape
> Management, their human keepers
> used to show them old repeats of "The Flintstones"
> and the architecture of
> Bedrock stuck in their collective simian minds. Now
> you know the rest of the
> story, OK? Nuff said. End of discussion.
>
> -- Rory
>

__________________________________

All I'm tryin' to do with my POTA scenario is be inclusive of all the
filmed live-action POTA sources (5 films, 14 episodes, + deleted
footage such as the "BATTLE" Bomb-scenes -- but NOT Burton's flick).
Like any other fanfic author, I'm trying to extrapolate about things
that are only hinted at in the "canon", in such a way as to make them
make sense within the pre-existing framework.

To some, only Boulle's original novel is "canon".

To some, only the Schaffner film is "canon".

To some, only the 5 movies are "canon".

To some -- me included -- all 5 films and all 14 episodes
are "canon", and no matter how entertaining any other POTA story may
be (be it Marvel's originals, or Urchak's Folly, etc), my scenario
barely makes sense out of the unfortunate flubs already mucking up
the works! I'd have loved to have found a way to incorporate
Marvel's "TERROR" series (I just love Ploog's POTA art), but trying
to reconcile the 5-Gestalt Brain "Inheritors" and the "Makers" (of
the Gorilloids) and the Viking apes and --

You get the picture.

My POTA scenario -- and the book I hope to finish writing sometime
before 3955 A.D. based on it -- will only be "canon" to me. I know
that, and I don't expect any other POTA fan to embrace it as much as
they've embraced Dehn's sequels or the TV show.

But don't let any o' that stop you from startin' to believe, Helen!

Patrick

==================================================================

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> Hi Patrick!
>
> You know what? If I read your stuff long enough, I'm going to

start to forget what is "POTA truth" and start to believe "Patrick's
truth." You've certainly got some good ideas about what might have
been. One day, maybe your scenario will become canon...

>
> ...Or not...
>
> --Helen

Looks good, Neil. Thanks for asking.

Kind of looks like parts of California broke off to form islands.
Anyone notice that?

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
> > Sure, I'd like to see that.
>
> -- Thanks John, I just didn't want to go ahead and change and then
> put up something that someone else had created without their
> permission.
> I have just uploaded my 'remastered' version to the files section.
>
> Neil

Well, Patrick. After all this time, I hope there will be copies
available for those who have [sort of] been keeping track. I
definitely want one -- if I can afford it! Keep on keeping on.

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> All I'm tryin' to do with my POTA scenario is be inclusive of all

the

> filmed live-action POTA sources (5 films, 14 episodes, + deleted
> footage such as the "BATTLE" Bomb-scenes -- but NOT Burton's

flick).

> Like any other fanfic author, I'm trying to extrapolate about

things

> that are only hinted at in the "canon", in such a way as to make

them

> make sense within the pre-existing framework.
>
> To some, only Boulle's original novel is "canon".
>
> To some, only the Schaffner film is "canon".
>
> To some, only the 5 movies are "canon".
>
> To some -- me included -- all 5 films and all 14 episodes
> are "canon", and no matter how entertaining any other POTA story

may

> be (be it Marvel's originals, or Urchak's Folly, etc), my scenario
> barely makes sense out of the unfortunate flubs already mucking up
> the works! I'd have loved to have found a way to incorporate
> Marvel's "TERROR" series (I just love Ploog's POTA art), but

trying

> to reconcile the 5-Gestalt Brain "Inheritors" and the "Makers" (of
> the Gorilloids) and the Viking apes and --
>
> You get the picture.
>
> My POTA scenario -- and the book I hope to finish writing sometime
> before 3955 A.D. based on it -- will only be "canon" to me. I know
> that, and I don't expect any other POTA fan to embrace it as much

as

> they've embraced Dehn's sequels or the TV show.
>
> But don't let any o' that stop you from startin' to believe, Helen!
>
> Patrick
>
> ==================================================================
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Patrick!
> >
> > You know what? If I read your stuff long enough, I'm going to
> start to forget what is "POTA truth" and start to

believe "Patrick's

> truth." You've certainly got some good ideas about what might have
> been. One day, maybe your scenario will become canon...
> >
> > ...Or not...
> >
> > --Helen

.html In Planet and Beneath we only see one facet of ape society. I assume you think that Zaius and the orangutan rulers are in charge of the whole world. While Zaius may try to prevent human like culture from emerging he can't prevent ape culture from evolving and needing recreation. Ape nightclubs maybe different from human nightclubs etc. Elaine <.html

.html I still believe that there were carnivious gorillas for whatever reason(survival, religious practices etc.) I believe Cornelius in his interpretation of his findings and am tired of the ape characters as being treated as substandard intelligence. They are capable of reaching advanced technology and other achievements. Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:09:52 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > They may not be the majority but they are there on pota.
>
> Can you name one? At least with Patrick's scenario,

Cornelius "suspects" that the fossilized bones he found were
from "carniverous" Gorillas... That could be a mistake on Cornelius'
part though... That's why I say he suspects it... He does not seem
to have any bones from whatever it was that he thinks they killed and
ate... He is going by arrow heads and cutting tools alone. He doesn't
show any more physical evidence to back up his theories... I think
Patrick and Cornelius have the same "suspicions"... Patrick says:

>
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 11:36:47 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > Maybe they have to resort to hunting humans (with

those "arrowheads of quartz"), using the "cutting tools" to shear the
meat from their bones.

>
> That's a pretty big supposition from him... Just cause an ape

archeologist suspects they were carniverous due to his finding arrow
heads and tools, that means they were? I don't think so... I mean, if
they were eating meat, then why were there no bones around from
their "game"? Cornelius never mentions them, and he certainly didn't
mention any human bones being found by the Gorilla bones and tools...
So, Patrick's supposing they killed and ate humans is way off base...
You know a simpler explanation would be that Cornelius was only
speculating that they were meat eaters... He is supposing that the
ancient Gorillas were meat eaters due to their having weapons and
tools... The arrow heads might have been just for defense, and the
cutting tools may have just been knifes used for cutting... a utilty
tool, not a butchering tool...

>
> Cornelius knows that the Gorillas in his time are Hunters and

Warriors... He also seems to hold the same contempt towards them as
Zira does (but he is not vocal about it as she is...) His accusing
them of being "carniverous" may just have been his bigotry coming
thru... He doesn't like Gorillas, so he accuses them of being "meat
eaters" to say that they were savages then, as he (probably) thinks
they are in his current time...
================================================================

*** ARRRGHH! I just typed a long post replying to this,
clicked "SEND", and then Yahoo bumped me to a "VERIFY PASSWORD"
screen, and DELETED the entire message. God DAMN them all to hell!

Let's try this again, shall we?

>grumble grumble etc<

First off, Cornelius NEVER says that he "suspects" the gorillas to
have been carnivorous. He says:

"It was at THIS level where I found CUTTING TOOLS and ARROWHEADS OF
QUARTZ and the FOSSILIZED BONES OF CARNIVOROUS GORILLAS."

He knows a "cutting tool" when he sees it, and he can tell if
something's an arrowhead (as opposed to something else, like a
fishhook for instance). And he can tell the difference between quartz
and feldspar and limestone, I'd think -- he must know what "quartz"
is. And he must have some way of ascertaining that the fossilized
bones of those gorillas should be interpreted as "carnivorous". There
would be "tell-tale" signs of carnivorism.

The bones of any critters the gorillas may have eaten would have bite
marks on 'em, and -- using the gorilla skulls he found -- Cornelius
could've compared the gnaw-scratches on the bones with the jaws and
teeth of the gorillas, to see if THOSE teeth made THOSE marks.

It's "CSI: Ape City"! Or like in the movie "RED DRAGON" (or the first
version, "MANHUNTER"), where the "Tooth Fairy" serial killer leaves
bite marks on his victims that can be used to establish that the SAME
mouth made the same bites on various victims, etc.

Also, vegetarian gorillas would have teeth that have NOT been
utilized carnivorously: by merely chewing nuts and eating bananas
(etc), there would be less wear-and-tear on their chompers. But...
the teeth of CARNIVOROUS gorillas WOULD have tell-tale signs of
having been used for biting & gnawing & flesh-chewing etc.

Would carnivorous gorillas leave behind the gnawed corpses of their
prey in their dwelling places? Zaius calls the Cave "this house" --
in which a simian "master" once lived, he insists. I doubt that these
gorillas -- no matter HOW savage they might be -- would tolerate the
stink of decaying corpses in their living rooms. They would throw the
uneaten bones somewhere else -- in the prehistoric equivalent of a
trashcan. Somewhere outside the Cave, perhaps just thrown down to the
base of the cliff, where Cornelius MIGHT have found them (1), put two-
and-two together (2), and interpreted those bones with the gorilla
skulls' teeth. Those gnawed-on bones might have been taken back with
him to Ape City; maybe he showed them to the Academy prior to them
declaring his theory of "Evolution" to be heresy.

Cornelius doesn't mention having found any coprolites in the cave,
either, mind you. Coprolites are fossilized dung -- and an
archaeologist can discover many things about a creature's dietary
habits based on what they expel as waste. Cornelius wouldn't have
found any petrified poop in the cave for the same reason he wouldn't
have found any gnawed-on bones: the bad smells would stink up their
home.
They would've shat somewhere else -- they probably threw the bones of
their food-victims in the same place they left their feces.

I don't know why we should doubt Cornelius' ability to ascertain
carnivorism in gorilla skeletal remains, when Zaius himself never
contests that evidence. Remember: the ONLY artifacts that he claimed
could be interpreted differently than Cornelius' and Taylor's way are
the goodies found at the DEEPEST level Cornelius dug down to: the
level dating back to OUR time. The "eyeglasses", the "false teeth",
the "prefabricated [heart] valve".

The "human doll".

Notice that Zaius never tries to re-interpret the "gorilla"-level
artifacts in light of the finds dating earlier. He may poo-poo
Cornelius' dating methods, but it's evident that the LOWER stratus
dates back to an EARLIER epoch than the level where the gorilla
skeletons were found. Zaius tries to make it seem plausible that "the
master of this house" -- "an ape" -- had a granddaughter who played
with human dolls, just as his own granddaughter does in the present
day...

... but would MEAT-EATING PRIMITIVE BARBARIC GORILLAS play with human
dolls???!!! Would ANY type of gorilla play with human dolls,
carnivorous or not?

[Neil should draw up a cartoon of THAT, don't ya think?]

In the words of the Presidential Commission, Cornelius' "attitude is
that of a deeply interested and well-disposed academician who studied
the alleged future downfall of the Human Race with the true
objectivity of a good historian" ("ESCAPE" screenplay, page 68).

Taylor tells Zaius -- after the human doll TALKS -- "Cornelius was
RIGHT, Doctor... he PROVED it: Man was here before you... you owe him
your science, your culture... whatever civilization you've got". And
Zaius finally says:

"And you're RIGHT! I have ALWAYS known about Man..."

Zaius KNOWS that Cornelius was right (or, at least, close-to-the-
truth) -- that's why his theory of Evolution was deemed heretical.
Cornelius believed that the evidence he had found in the Cave
supported the (wrong) theory that the Ape evolved from a lower order
of primate... possibly Man. Because only a HUMAN JAWBONE had been
found at the deepest stratum. Cornelius interpreted the later (by 7
centuries) gorillas as being a savage DESCENDANT of the pre-gorilla
primate: a HUMAN. In other words, Humans existed 2,000 years before,
and the species is still around, albeit in a degraded animalistic
form (unlike the advanced culture with a knowledge of metallurgy)...
and from that source species OTHER species diverged: the Gorilla
(some of whom lived and died in the same location as their pre-simian
human ancestors), the Orangutan and the Chimpanzee. Cornelius' theory
must suppose that Evolution happens at a very very VERY quick pace,
on the scale of CENTURIES rather than MILLIONS of years.

Later, though, after becoming acquainted with those "Secret Scrolls",
the "history scrolls kept hidden from the masses" -- probably by
having been shown them by Zaius himself, when they reached a
compromise upon Ursus' ascent to power -- Cornelius then found out
that their language was NOT something that had been around only since
the time of the Lawgiver (1,200 years), but that it dated back 2,000
years, roughly. THAT is why Cornelius could tell the Commission that
he speaks the language of his father(s) that has been spoken by Apes
for 2,000 years. He didn't learn that until he read those forbidden
books. Before then, it was "profane" of him to suggest that the Apes
even HAD a culture that predated the Lawgiver; he tells the Academy
at the hearing that when he went into the Forbidden Zone a year
earlier, he found "traces of a simian culture that existed long
before the Sacred Scrolls were written".

He's being disingenuous here: he already KNOWS that the "culture"
he's speaking of was NOT "simian", but HUMAN -- he found only a human
jawbone, and not one trace of a simian fossil at that stratum. It was
merely enough to suggest that a pre-Lawgiver culture once existed
that was intolerable to the orangutans. Cornelius' society must
have "history" that only dates back about 1,200 years. There can't
have been any "culture" before then, otherwise Honorius wouldn't have
blurted out, "ObJECtion! These remarks are PROFANE and irrelevant!"

Imagine how outraged they would've been if he were to have
said, "traces of a HUMAN culture that existed long before the Sacred
Scrolls were written"? After all, THAT is what his evidence
suggested. His interpretation was that Apes evolved from Man, so that
that ancient culture WAS linked to their own, but that that original
species had branched off to become the 3 ape species and the human
species -- which still resembled the one whose jawbone he'd found.

I could go on, but I'll leave it at this. Let's hope Yahoo doesn't
delete THIS one, dadnabbit!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:08:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> > Poor Patrick, he's so into APES.... I think he's POTA Crazy!
> >
> >
>
> I don't know about that... He just seems to be so into trying to

(as he puts it) "unflub" everything, he analyzes EVERYTHING to
death...

----------------------------------------------------------

Naw, Rory's right. I'm koo-koo for POTA-puffs!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/19/2004 9:36:34 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> Apes can tranfuse blood directly from one body to another. They

perform miracles. How dare we judge them!

>
> And don't forget their great strides in the field of photography!

*** And the fact that they have a knowledge of Metallurgy -- even
though it ain't as far advanced as "the more ancient culture" that
manufactured the eyeglasses Taylor inspects.

And the art/science of surveying: Cornelius is an accomplished
mapmaker, and THAT requires measurement, don't it? He mapped a good
chunk of the Forbidden Zone, including that convoluted shoreline of
Dead Lake. No mean feat, that. And they calculate distances
in "miles", which lend themselves to numbering (i.e. the Cave is X-
number of miles from Ape City, etc).

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/19/2004 12:25:09 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > The comic you mention about the gorilla and human working

together because they are disabled is one of my favorites.

>
> That comic was just a moral tale, telling that you "can" work with

your enemy... It has NO basis in this debate though... The movies
(and TV series) are "canon"... The MARVEL comics are not... (Even
Patrick says that, so his bringing that comic up was an ill-attempt
at justifying his story...)

*** The Marvel POTA comics are not canon for my POTA project; some
might consider them "canon", though, as opposed to "Ape Nation" or
Burton's film. I was just trying to compare the hypothetical
situation of the "carnivorous gorillas" (as I interpret them,
as "splitters" from Caesar's human-tolerating society) facing
starvation, just as the lame-armed gorilla does. He MUST eat that
cooked flesh in order to survive, so that one day -- when his arms
are healed -- he and the human can fight to the death, after
having 'used' each other to survive.

Ill-attempt? You're just bein' mean now, Cougar, admit it.
I was comparin' apples to applesauce, not to oranges. How d'ya like
THEM apples!

Patrick

.html Great post, Patrick and good points(no pun intended). Glad someone else supports Cornelius' archaeological abilities. Looking forward to reading your book someday. Elaine<.html

Hi Elaine, your messages are fun to read, especially trying to figure
out exactly WHAT post you're replying to. Anyway, could you attach a
little bit of the message you're replying to in your post/email? If
you are 'replying', and the original message is showing up before you
send it, then it might be something your ISP is doing on their end
that eliminates the previous message (I've seen it before) - might be
worth a call to them. Just trying to help.

John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Yes, I did. Can't believe how good it is. Elaine

Weird little find. I see this animated ad and all of a sudden an
orangutan appears. I follow the link to see a small feature of Zaius
getting IMS from Cornelius and Zira, and organize his finances on the
Ape City Bank site:

http://www.digitaljoy.com/

Hmmmm.... VERRRRY interesting. I'd have to agree - not that I see
the big deal if they did or did not eat meat, although there's plenty
of evidence on the internet that claims that eating meat aided in
higher brain functions and smaller digestive systems - this could
account for the physical changes to the apes we see on screen as well.

I did a Google search on:
eat meat brain evolution

One other thing, Patrick: Isn't it 'dagnabbit', not 'dadnabbit'??

John O.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
>
> I could go on, but I'll leave it at this. Let's hope Yahoo doesn't
> delete THIS one, dadnabbit!
>
> Patrick

Yeah, someone brought that up earlier. Can you make out the IMs?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> Weird little find. I see this animated ad and all of a sudden an
> orangutan appears. I follow the link to see a small feature of Zaius
> getting IMS from Cornelius and Zira, and organize his finances on
the
> Ape City Bank site:
>
> http://www.digitaljoy.com/

Weird little find.  I see this animated ad and all of a sudden an
orangutan appears. I follow the link to see a small feature of Zaius
getting IMS from Cornelius and Zira, and organize his finances on the
Ape City Bank site:

http://www.digitaljoy.com/

go vegetarian!

Did you guys ever check out the unfinished Matt Sotis
fan made film? Made about 10 years ago it involves 4
gorillas that find Brent's ship and fly it back to the
1970s. Even though the film isn't done Matt still
sells copies. It's worth checking out. His email
address is:

msotis@...


Chris Hight



__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?

Any preview clips?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> hi-
> sotis emailed me right back; he says there are four segments, adn
it runs about 2 hours; he sells vhs or dvd for $20 dollars (USD)
> this is on my list to buy after i buy the return dvd
>
> Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
>
> Did you guys ever check out the unfinished Matt Sotis
> fan made film? Made about 10 years ago it involves 4
> gorillas that find Brent's ship and fly it back to the
> 1970s. Even though the film isn't done Matt still
> sells copies. It's worth checking out. His email
> address is:
>
> msotis@m...
>
>
> Chris Hight
>
>
>
> __________________________________

He has a couple screen grabs he might be able to send
you. I happen to appear in the film as one of the
gorillas. I'm the gorilla with the machine gun.

CH






__________________________________

Any preview clips?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> hi-
> sotis emailed me right back; he says there are four segments, adn
it runs about 2 hours; he sells vhs or dvd for $20 dollars (USD)
> this is on my list to buy after i buy the return dvd
>
> Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
>
> Did you guys ever check out the unfinished Matt Sotis
> fan made film? Made about 10 years ago it involves 4
> gorillas that find Brent's ship and fly it back to the
> 1970s. Even though the film isn't done Matt still
> sells copies. It's worth checking out. His email
> address is:
>
> msotis@m...
>
>
> Chris Hight
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> All your

So what happened that this wasn't finished? Is this a serious film,
or is there a certain amount of humor in it? It'd be interesting
just to see how the gorillas got Brent's ship off the ground.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> He has a couple screen grabs he might be able to send
> you. I happen to appear in the film as one of the
> gorillas. I'm the gorilla with the machine gun.
>
> CH
>

The costumes and make-up look great. Looks like special effects from
Far Out space Nuts. Might be worth a look.

Was anything ever posted about why Sotis is/was selling his
collection?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> check it out:
>
> (from sotis)
>
> P.S There are a few early frame grabs on my site:
> http://msotis.home.mindspring.com
>
>
> "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Any preview clips?
>

Has anyone seen one of these? I haven't seen these before, and I
thought it was really cool. It's a custom figure. They say that it
talks when placed on a special base. The package design is dated
2002 by Playmates Toys. It's from "A Fish Called Selma."

http://www.halloweenhost.com/horror/ghastly/ozaius.html"

--Helen

Matt works on the film in his spare time. One thing he
needs is people and more spare time.



__________________________________

My parents just came in from Miami to spend Christmas with their
Grandson and my Mom brought me a very special gift... she found a box
of my old Planet of the Apes Megos in their storage room. These are
some of the same toys pictured in my member pic. (DrZaiusDavis) from
when I was 2yrs. old! I was so excited! Most are not in the best of
shape but there was alot of memories in that box. I'm posting a pic.
in the collectibles folder. My camera is cheap but you get the idea.
I hope everyone has a great Holiday too.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

>
> Yeah, someone brought that up earlier. Can you make out the IMs?
>

I couldn't- it's a flash movie so I even tried zooming in but no luck.
And why Zaius plays games with Little Orphan Annie I'll never know,
but well, is a bit on the creepy side! That old lecherous orangutan...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:

> thanks for great link.
> i was shocked to see zaius emailing orphan annie, but even more

shocked to see annie was checking out nude gorillas...

hahaha- probably something Zaius sent her I'm sure.

Yep, great custom! I know the guy who made it, I trade with him from
time to time. He and I post on the same figure board too... He's a
huge Apes fan as well, I'm surprised he's not around here.

There's also a non-custom Simpsons set out there with a nice POTA
reference in it's base: featuring an ape riding a wagon led by three
enslaved Homers....

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00009VE55/qid=1103587645/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-3805640-2356803?v=glance&s=toys&n=507846

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone seen one of these? I haven't seen these before, and I
> thought it was really cool. It's a custom figure. They say that it
> talks when placed on a special base. The package design is dated
> 2002 by Playmates Toys. It's from "A Fish Called Selma."
>
> http://www.halloweenhost.com/horror/ghastly/ozaius.html"
>
> --Helen

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Yeah I first noticed that on the IMDB

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In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:44:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Isn't it 'dagnabbit', not 'dadnabbit'??

Yes, you're thinking of dadblamed

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:44:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> jspy@w... writes:
>
> Isn't it 'dagnabbit', not 'dadnabbit'??
>
>
>
> Yes, you're thinking of dadblamed

I think this is a major blow to Patrick's credibility.

.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 9:31:55 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

To some -- me included -- all 5 films and all 14 episodes
are "canon", and no matter how entertaining any other POTA story may
be

I agree with this, but if I was pressed, I'd say only the original PLANET really counts...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:46:54 AM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I assume you think that Zaius and the orangutan rulers are in charge of the whole world. While Zaius may try to prevent human like culture from emerging he can't prevent ape culture from evolving and needing recreation.

For your information, Zaius, (the Orangutan Leaders), and the High Council ARE the leaders of the Ape World... If you're thinking there might be other societies out there, they aren't Ape ruled anyway...

You must not pay enough attention... The Apes in the Government aren't out to make the society happy... They're out to gain more power for themselves... They can and will keep society where they want it... (Like Communism in a way...) They keep the lower apes (Apes without Power that is) under their thumbs... They keep them "poor and busy" so they don't even have time to worry about things like recreation...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:58:56 AM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I still believe that there were carnivious gorillas for whatever reason (survival, religious practices etc.)

I would just like to know, what is the proof that they were eating meat? As I said, there are no remains of whatever it is he suspects they ate... He is supposing they were due to finding weapons...

I am tired of the ape characters being treated as substandard intelligence. They are capable of reaching advanced technology and other achievements.

Who said they were? You may not like that people say they're "low tech", but you have to admit that they are living in a pretty stagnant society... They don't have a lot of technology, and as a matter of fact, they seem to shun it in most cases... They would only advance as far as the Apes in charge let them advance anyway... (That's even hinted at in the Boulle book, which is the basis for PLANET...) They're only allowed to have ideas that the leaders see "fit" for them to have... "Free-thinkers" are treated as heretics...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:08:01 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

your messages are fun to read, especially trying to figure
out exactly WHAT post you're replying to.

I agree with that... I know there were times she was replying to me, and I wasn't 100% sure what she was replying to...

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This is actually and important decider in what people do and son't
accept re POTA!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:06:06 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA canon
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/20/2004 9:31:55 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:



To some -- me included -- all 5 films and all 14 episodes
are "canon", and no matter how entertaining any other POTA story may
be



I agree with this, but if I was pressed, I'd say only the original
PLANET
really counts...

TAKE 2: This is actually an important decider in what people do and
don't
accept re POTA!

Ie whatever you think is canon will determine what you will embrace in
the way you explain the phenomenon.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Michael Whitty[SMTP:WHITTY@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:54:10 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: POTA canon
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

This is actually and important decider in what people do and son't
accept re POTA!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 3:06:06 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA canon
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/20/2004 9:31:55 AM Central Standard Time,
patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:



To some -- me included -- all 5 films and all 14 episodes
are "canon", and no matter how entertaining any other POTA story may
be



I agree with this, but if I was pressed, I'd say only the original
PLANET
really counts...








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In a message dated 12/20/2004 10:41:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

They're only allowed to have ideas that the leaders see "fit" for them to have... "Free-thinkers" are treated as heretics...

 

Hey the Vatican didn't pardon Galileo's heresy for saying that the Earth revolves around the Sun until 1992.  Now that's slow!  But lets face it...If it's not the religious kooks killing the nerds for their science, it's the science kooks killing people for their religion.  I don't want to be burned at the stake or sent to a concentration camp for my beliefs, but as a Radical Moderate I say Death To Extremists!  But perhaps that's too extreme.   'Tis the Season!

 

 

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.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:04:59 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I am still fairly computer illiterate so please forgive this dumb question, but how do I exactly provide part of the message I am replying to without typing it myself?

Left click and drag over the part you want to reply to (it will be blue in color)... Then right click on it and click on "copy"... Or , do the first step, and then just hit "Reply"

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In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:04:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I am still fairly computer illiterate so please forgive this dumb question, but how do I exactly provide part of the message I am replying to without typing it myself? 

You just highlight it before you click reply.

You know, just hold the left mouse button

and run the cursor over the part you want.

Sorry if that's condescendingly detailed.  I

wasn't sure how computer illiterate you are.

 

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In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:18:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Left click and drag over the part you want to reply to (it will be blue in color)...

 

See, he did it too. 

If you's like any other comp-u-tips just ask.

Here's a good one now that you know how to highlight.

Ctrl+X cuts, Ctrl+C Copies & Ctrl+V pastes.  That can

come in handy for those web addresses that are way

too long to type out.  Just paste them in the browser

and click go.  My Dad didn't know that one either.

 

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In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:29:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I am well aware that the apes in government do not have the goal of making society happy, it is after all a patriarchal society.

Do I detect some Man Bashing?

I'm offended!

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Is that an AOL specific thing? I don't know because I don't use it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:04:59 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > I am still fairly computer illiterate so please forgive this
dumb question,
> > but how do I exactly provide part of the message I am replying
to without
> > typing it myself?
> >
>
> Left click and drag over the part you want to reply to (it will be
blue in
> color)... Then right click on it and click on "copy"... Or , do
the first step,
> and then just hit "Reply"

.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:39:34 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Is that an AOL specific thing?  I don't know because I don't use it.

I am not sure... AOL is the only online service I have ever used, so I am not sure how it compares to the others...

<.html <.html

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.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:39:34 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Is that an AOL specific thing?  I don't know because I don't use it.

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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
group.

File : /2005POTA Calendar.doc
Uploaded by : jspy6688 <jspy@...>
Description : 2005 POTA Calendar - Planet/Beneath - by John O (with help from Greg P.)

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/2005POTA%20Calendar.doc

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

jspy6688 <jspy@...>

I uploaded a 2005 calendar (Word document) to the groups Files
folder. This one has images from Planet and Beneath.

It's a little over 2 MG. There's two months on a page, so you'll
need to cut each month out. Make sure you leave enough room on top
for a couple staples. I glued a magnet on the back which is good
for hanging on the fridge (or a metal cabinet at work), or you could
punch a hole in the top to hang it.

Thanks to Greg P for his help.

John O.

Welcome Matt!

Could you please take a moment to tell us about your film?

Also, I would be honoured to get some feedback from you about the
original comics Beware the Beast, the "Within" strips and the new "Going
Home" strip (when you have some spare time!!!).

Michael

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Hello,

This is an automated email message to let you know that sotis_matthew
joined your PotaDG group.

Yes and no, Chris. More time, less people! Hah Hah.

Now I know where you guys have been hangin' out! I just back
tracked you from a few emails from Ron (thanks for the plug!),
Mike, and John.

Chris has been here in New York a few times in full gorilla makeup.
He know's the deep $#it i'm in. Work, work, work, and triplets.
That'll put a crimp in your film making efforts. Actually,
with all this interest, I was just putting another hard drive
in my Video platform when the motherboard took a royal crap.
It's got to be replaced quick because i've got a few commercials
i'm polishing off. Also, because of Ron's inquiry, i'd just
compiled a short trailer (with a couple of good shots of Chris)
for the website. As soon as I get that box up and running, i'll post
it and let you know.

To answer John's question, in August, I celebrated 30 years of
film making (have been a hardcore apes fan since the original
premiere). If there's one thing I learned about film, that which
differentiates the greats from the trash is, as in life, you've got
to embrace both seriousness AND humor. The apes project started
out as a short experiment inspired by unused scenes in a few of the
apes drafts. It begins as a sendup, but ends as a bucket of blood
with the pretense that (like the original film) if the
apes are dumb enough to emulate man, and man never learns from
history, the violence is without end. I figured it'd be great
to continue the gorilla's extermination of man into the modern day,
that they (the four gorilla sentrys from "Planet of the Apes
Revisted") brought the disease which began their cyclic history.
In a need for taboo, they get dropped into a cornfield in Fort Wayne,
between dope growing locals and the DEA. Can you think of a better
way to start the bullets flying, and continuing the gorilla's
genocide from Beneath? Oh geez, I could go on, but it's getting
late and i've already layed out the first two segments...
If you guys are really into this, come on up to NY in a couple
of Months and we'll hit the cornfields together, camera, costumes
and all!

Keep the Faith!
Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> Matt works on the film in his spare time. One thing he
> needs is people and more spare time.
>
>
>
> __________________________________

I have just uploaded a cover scan of yet another version of the
Planet of the Apes paperback by Mr.Boulle to the photos section in
the Novel Covers folder.

I had never seen or knew about this version before, it was released
in 2001 for the Penguin classics series.
I was in the big city with one of my boys today and thought I would
check out a second hand bookshop I know, not expecting to find much
and there it was.
Collecting different versions of POTA / Monkey Planet seems to have
become a bit of an obsession with me as I now have 14 different
English language versions of this book!
I suppose I'll have to start on foreign language versions soon! ;-)

Neil

Matt Sotis is the real deal. This guy has an insane
amount of talent and insight.


Chris Hight



__________________________________

John

The calendar looks absolutely fantastic.

Thanks so much for sharing.

I'd appreciate it if others could chime in with feedback.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> I uploaded a 2005 calendar (Word document) to the groups Files
> folder. This one has images from Planet and Beneath.
>
> It's a little over 2 MG. There's two months on a page, so you'll
> need to cut each month out. Make sure you leave enough room on
top
> for a couple staples. I glued a magnet on the back which is good
> for hanging on the fridge (or a metal cabinet at work), or you
could
> punch a hole in the top to hang it.
>
> Thanks to Greg P for his help.
>
> John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> I have just uploaded a cover scan of yet another version of the
> Planet of the Apes paperback by Mr.Boulle to the photos section in
> the Novel Covers folder.
>
> I had never seen or knew about this version before, it was released
> in 2001 for the Penguin classics series.
> I was in the big city with one of my boys today and thought I would
> check out a second hand bookshop I know, not expecting to find much
> and there it was.
> Collecting different versions of POTA / Monkey Planet seems to have
> become a bit of an obsession with me as I now have 14 different
> English language versions of this book!
> I suppose I'll have to start on foreign language versions soon! ;-)
>
> Neil

*** Here's my computer near-illiteracy for ya, but I've got a
question. When I click onto the Photos thingy in the upper left hand
corner and get into the various folders, and then click on a
particular folder to get the first 18 (or whatever) photos in
thumbnails, and then click on a thumbnail, that picture comes up in a
somewhat larger box -- I think it's called a Yahoo Briefcase pic, or
something like that. And below the pic it'll say #kb Thumbnail, ##kb
Screensize, and ###kb Full Size.

The Briefcase version of the pic is, obviously, the "screensize" one,
but there's usually that LARGER sized pic, the "Full" sized one.

My question: How does one -- such as I -- get ahold of the Full-sized
pic in question? Is there a way to access it from the
Photos/Folder/Thumbnail of the pic in question? What's the point in
telling us how many more kilobytes the largest version of the pic is,
if we can't get ACCESS to that larger pic? I'd like to "save" a copy
of each pic, but I don't want to waste harddrive space on mere
thumbnail-sized pics, or even "screen-sized" pics, if there's a "Full-
sized" pic version available.

Somebody, anybody, enLIGHTen me, please!

By the way, I've got 2 different French "Presses pocket" editions
of "La Planete des Singes", one of which is in the Novel Covers
folder (the one showing Cornelius -- Roddy, from the movie); when I
went to England/France/Germany a few years ago, I picked up another
copy -- identical text inside, of course, but a different cover
illustration. It shows the Statue of Liberty in ruins, but it ain't a
frame-grab from the movie -- it merely references the movie, even
though it doesn't represent anything in Boulle's novel. The movie, it
seems, casts a shadow over the source novel, even in its country of
origin.

How do you "send" a pic from, say, MY computer into the "Photos"
section of this or any other Yahoo group site? I could scan the cover
and do so, if I knew the exact procedure.

By the way, it might be interesting for somebody to scan each book's
entire cover -- the Front/spine/Back cover in its entirety. That's
what I'll do when I scan my own POTA novel covers.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 12/20/2004 1:44:36 P.M. Central Standard Time,

jspy@w... writes:

> >
> > Isn't it 'dagnabbit', not 'dadnabbit'??
> >
> >
> >
> > Yes, you're thinking of dadblamed
>
>
> I think this is a major blow to Patrick's credibility.

*** OOOO, dem'z fightin' woidz!

If you look in the "H&H Thesaurus" ["H&H" standing for, of
course, "Hicks & Hillbillies"], you'll find other synonyms for this
term, including "dadgummit" and "goshdangit". Of course, all these
words are variations on the imperative phrase "God damn it" [usually
followed by an exclamation point: "!"].

Imagine "PLANET" dubbed into 'hillbillyese', with Taylor at the last
scene yelling out, "DADGUMMIT all a-youse tuh Hail!"

Imagine it with Heston's voice, too. Those who were against the
colorization of Black-&-White movies would probably be just as
torqued off by this.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:46:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > I assume you think that Zaius and the orangutan rulers are in

charge of the whole world. While Zaius may try to prevent human like
culture from emerging he can't prevent ape culture from evolving and
needing recreation.
--------------------------------------------------------------

> For your information, Zaius, (the Orangutan Leaders), and the High

Council ARE the leaders of the Ape World... If you're thinking there
might be other societies out there, they aren't Ape ruled anyway...

>
> You must not pay enough attention... The Apes in the Government

aren't out to make the society happy... They're out to gain more
power for themselves... They can and will keep society where they
want it... (Like Communism in a way...) They keep the lower apes
(Apes without Power that is) under their thumbs... They keep
them "poor and busy" so they don't even have time to worry about
things like recreation...

=================================================================

*** I think what TaeBoKitty means by "the whole world" is just that:
the ENTIRE planet, and not just the "ape-dominated" little corner of
the North American continent where Zaius' population numbering in
only the thousands is holed up in Ape City and the surrounding green
areas.

Zaius SPECULATES that there's "another jungle beyond the Forbidden
Zone" -- but he doesn't necessarily KNOW there's one there, because
NOBODY goes beyond the borders allocated by the leaders of posterity.
Apes need "travel permits" in order to go anywhere, and thus there
would be no way that the "higher-ups" would allow somebody to travel
into the places where they might discover evidence that contradicts
the dogmas they've been force-fed. Somehow Cornelius was able to go
beyond the bounds allowed to him when he "exceeded his orders" on his
travel permit. He spent enough time at that Cave to build all that
trusswork -- it must have taken him (by "him" I mean Cornelius AND
whoever may have assisted him... perhaps Milo?) a good chunk of time
just to build all that. Remember the causeway leading from the Cave
to where Lucius was guarding the horses? That's a lot of work, above
and beyond digging in the Cave and mapping the Forbidden Zone.

Cornelius' map shows us only one rectangle's worth of territory,
split down the middle with the Zone on the Right and Apedom on the
Left. What about FURTHER left, or "up", or right? Further "down", of
course, would just be more ocean, but what about the lands beyond the
borders of Cornelius' map?

Ursus laments that in their day merely "thousands" of Apes march
under the Ape banner -- he wants there, eventually, be "millions" of
Apes doing so in the future... but the Famine they're facing makes it
impossible to realize such a future of higher population.

Zaius (and his co-rulers) are in charge of THIS little population of
several thousand Apes... but is that IT? Might there not be OTHER
groups of intelligent beings (be they Human or Ape or even Mutant)
dwelling hundreds of miles away? Thousands? I think TaeBoKitty was
referring to THOSE possible populations when she said that Zaius
wasn't in charge of the WHOLE world. He's only in charge of the
relatively small Ape-world we see in "PLANET" and "BENEATH".

Patrick

.html Thank John and Greg.  I liked it so much I enlarged the pics so that they filled up the page in landscape mode. I tried to upload that version to the site, but unfortunately there isn't enough space for it :-(

Hopefully 2005 will be as good a year for PotA as 2004 was. If anything, I think the trend in fandom was way up this year with the Sideshow toys, reincarnation of Chronicles, the Return DVD, BtB, Within and now Going Home comics.

Dario

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> I uploaded a 2005 calendar (Word document) to the groups Files
> folder.  This one has images from Planet and Beneath.
>
> It's a little over 2 MG.  There's two months on a page, so you'll
> need to cut each month out. 
>
> Thanks to Greg P for his help.
>
> John O.

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:29:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> I am well aware that the apes in government do not have the goal

of making society happy, it is after all a patriarchal society.

>
>
> Do I detect some Man Bashing?
> I'm offended!

=================================================================

*** You shouldn't be, T. Remember Zira, in "ESCAPE", giving that
little speech to the Bay Area Women's Club, where she mentions the
gender-dominance of males in her own society?

"A marriage bed is made for two... but every damn morning it's the
woman who has to make it! We have HEADS as well as HANDS; I call upon
men to let us USE them!"

--applause--

In Pournelle's book, he has this bit:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>

Thank you, PMT. I actually think Elaine has an excellent point. I
ape-preciate your effort to clarify [and in some way support?] her
position.

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:46:54 AM Central Standard Time,
> > taebokitti@a... writes:
> >
> > > I assume you think that Zaius and the orangutan rulers are in
> charge of the whole world. While Zaius may try to prevent human

like

> culture from emerging he can't prevent ape culture from evolving

and

> needing recreation.
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> > For your information, Zaius, (the Orangutan Leaders), and the

High

> Council ARE the leaders of the Ape World... If you're thinking

there

> might be other societies out there, they aren't Ape ruled anyway...
> >
> > You must not pay enough attention... The Apes in the Government
> aren't out to make the society happy... They're out to gain more
> power for themselves... They can and will keep society where they
> want it... (Like Communism in a way...) They keep the lower apes
> (Apes without Power that is) under their thumbs... They keep
> them "poor and busy" so they don't even have time to worry about
> things like recreation...
>
> =================================================================
>
> *** I think what TaeBoKitty means by "the whole world" is just

that:

> the ENTIRE planet, and not just the "ape-dominated" little corner

of

> the North American continent where Zaius' population numbering in
> only the thousands is holed up in Ape City and the surrounding

green

> areas.
>
> Zaius SPECULATES that there's "another jungle beyond the Forbidden
> Zone" -- but he doesn't necessarily KNOW there's one there,

because

> NOBODY goes beyond the borders allocated by the leaders of

posterity.

> Apes need "travel permits" in order to go anywhere, and thus there
> would be no way that the "higher-ups" would allow somebody to

travel

> into the places where they might discover evidence that

contradicts

> the dogmas they've been force-fed. Somehow Cornelius was able to

go

> beyond the bounds allowed to him when he "exceeded his orders" on

his

> travel permit. He spent enough time at that Cave to build all that
> trusswork -- it must have taken him (by "him" I mean Cornelius AND
> whoever may have assisted him... perhaps Milo?) a good chunk of

time

> just to build all that. Remember the causeway leading from the

Cave

> to where Lucius was guarding the horses? That's a lot of work,

above

> and beyond digging in the Cave and mapping the Forbidden Zone.
>
> Cornelius' map shows us only one rectangle's worth of territory,
> split down the middle with the Zone on the Right and Apedom on the
> Left. What about FURTHER left, or "up", or right? Further "down",

of

> course, would just be more ocean, but what about the lands beyond

the

> borders of Cornelius' map?
>
> Ursus laments that in their day merely "thousands" of Apes march
> under the Ape banner -- he wants there, eventually, be "millions"

of

> Apes doing so in the future... but the Famine they're facing makes

it

> impossible to realize such a future of higher population.
>
> Zaius (and his co-rulers) are in charge of THIS little population

of

> several thousand Apes... but is that IT? Might there not be OTHER
> groups of intelligent beings (be they Human or Ape or even Mutant)
> dwelling hundreds of miles away? Thousands? I think TaeBoKitty was
> referring to THOSE possible populations when she said that Zaius
> wasn't in charge of the WHOLE world. He's only in charge of the
> relatively small Ape-world we see in "PLANET" and "BENEATH".
>
> Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> Thank you, PMT. I actually think Elaine has an excellent point. I
> ape-preciate your effort to clarify [and in some way support?] her
> position.
>
> --Helen

*** Yeah, I do support her position. The Earth is a big place, and
the horse-and-buggy level of civilization we see in "PLANET" in no
way could "rule" over the entire world. Unless everybody outside this
little corner of it is dead, and this is the ONLY place where any
humans/apes/mutants still survive, then there could well be other
populations of people around -- including groups of humans who are
still intelligent. Zaius hopes that Taylor comes from such a tribe,
even going so far as to threaten to have him emasculated and
lobotomized if he DOESN'T admit to being from "another jungle beyond
the Forbidden Zone". But Zaius is scared to death that Taylor is
indeed the one whose coming he has awaited for all his life -- "All
my LIFE I've awaited your coming, and DREADED it... like Death
itself!"

Perhaps one of the reasons the Apes keep an Army going is just in
case some other group encroaches on their territory. Not just Mutant
armies, like the one Kolp led in 2018 or so; but perhaps armies (or
immigrants) of intelligent humans, with or without accompanying apes
who live with them in equality. In Pournelle's novelization, he has
some human questioners ask about the Ape army -- Whom do they fight?,
etc. Whom HAD they fought in the past?

Patrick

===================================================================

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:46:54 AM Central Standard

Time, taebokitti@a... writes:

> > >
> > > > I assume you think that Zaius and the orangutan rulers are in

charge of the whole world. While Zaius may try to prevent human like
culture from emerging he can't prevent ape culture from evolving and
needing recreation.

> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > > For your information, Zaius, (the Orangutan Leaders), and the
> High Council ARE the leaders of the Ape World... If you're thinking
> there might be other societies out there, they aren't Ape ruled

anyway...

> > >
> > > You must not pay enough attention... The Apes in the Government
> > aren't out to make the society happy... They're out to gain more
> > power for themselves... They can and will keep society where they
> > want it... (Like Communism in a way...) They keep the lower apes
> > (Apes without Power that is) under their thumbs... They keep
> > them "poor and busy" so they don't even have time to worry about
> > things like recreation...
> >
> > =================================================================
> >
> > *** I think what TaeBoKitty means by "the whole world" is just
> that: the ENTIRE planet, and not just the "ape-dominated" little

corner of the North American continent where Zaius' population
numbering in only the thousands is holed up in Ape City and the
surrounding green areas.

> >
> > Zaius SPECULATES that there's "another jungle beyond the

Forbidden Zone" -- but he doesn't necessarily KNOW there's one there,
because NOBODY goes beyond the borders allocated by the leaders of
posterity. Apes need "travel permits" in order to go anywhere, and
thus there would be no way that the "higher-ups" would allow somebody
to travel into the places where they might discover evidence that
contradicts the dogmas they've been force-fed. Somehow Cornelius was
able to go beyond the bounds allowed to him when he "exceeded his
orders" on his travel permit. He spent enough time at that Cave to
build all that trusswork -- it must have taken him (by "him" I mean
Cornelius AND whoever may have assisted him... perhaps Milo?) a good
chunk of time just to build all that. Remember the causeway leading
from the Cave to where Lucius was guarding the horses? That's a lot
of work, above and beyond digging in the Cave and mapping the
Forbidden Zone.

> >
> > Cornelius' map shows us only one rectangle's worth of territory,

split down the middle with the Zone on the Right and Apedom on the
Left. What about FURTHER left, or "up", or right? Further "down", of
course, would just be more ocean, but what about the lands beyond the
borders of Cornelius' map?

> >
> > Ursus laments that in their day merely "thousands" of Apes march

under the Ape banner -- he wants there, eventually, be "millions" of
Apes doing so in the future... but the Famine they're facing makes it
impossible to realize such a future of higher population.

> >
> > Zaius (and his co-rulers) are in charge of THIS little population
> of several thousand Apes... but is that IT? Might there not be

OTHER groups of intelligent beings (be they Human or Ape or even
Mutant) dwelling hundreds of miles away? Thousands? I think
TaeBoKitty was referring to THOSE possible populations when she said
that Zaius wasn't in charge of the WHOLE world. He's only in charge
of the relatively small Ape-world we see in "PLANET" and "BENEATH".

> >
> > Patrick

I paid him to say that.

Chris, you now have a $5 credit toward your next action figure!

Nyuk, nyuk

Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> Matt Sotis is the real deal. This guy has an insane
> amount of talent and insight.
>
>
> Chris Hight

Can I put that toward my George Reeves Superman head I
need painted? ;p


CH



__________________________________

Thanks Dario, glad you liked it. The images could also be reduced so
4 can fit on a page - any way you like it. The calendar document is
kind of big for this group, so it will be getting moved in a couple
weeks or sooner if Neil starts cranking out comics.

John

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
Thank John and Greg. I liked it so much I enlarged the pics so that
they filled up the page in landscape mode. I tried to upload that
version to the site, but unfortunately there isn't enough space for
it :-(

Hopefully 2005 will be as good a year for PotA as 2004 was. If
anything, I think the trend in fandom was way up this year with the
Sideshow toys, reincarnation of Chronicles, the Return DVD, BtB,
Within and now Going Home comics.

Dario

Whitty had better send Neil some scripts to work with then!

Whitty

>
> ----------
> From: John O.[SMTP:JSPY@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 6:43:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 2005 POTA Calendar
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Thanks Dario, glad you liked it. The images could also be reduced so
4 can fit on a page - any way you like it. The calendar document is
kind of big for this group, so it will be getting moved in a couple
weeks or sooner if Neil starts cranking out comics.

John

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
Thank John and Greg. I liked it so much I enlarged the pics so that
they filled up the page in landscape mode. I tried to upload that
version to the site, but unfortunately there isn't enough space for
it :-(

Hopefully 2005 will be as good a year for PotA as 2004 was. If
anything, I think the trend in fandom was way up this year with the
Sideshow toys, reincarnation of Chronicles, the Return DVD, BtB,
Within and now Going Home comics.

Dario

How come I have never seen this awesome site?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ron kenner[SMTP:BRINDLEPIT2002@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:52:18 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: the sotis movie
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

check it out:

(from sotis)

P.S There are a few early frame grabs on my site:
<http://msotis.home.mindspring.com/> http://msotis.home.mindspring.com


"John O." <jspy@...> wrote:


Any preview clips?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> hi-
> sotis emailed me right back; he says there are four segments, adn
it runs about 2 hours; he sells vhs or dvd for $20 dollars (USD)
> this is on my list to buy after i buy the return dvd
>
> Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
>
> Did you guys ever check out the unfinished Matt Sotis
> fan made film? Made about 10 years ago it involves 4
> gorillas that find Brent's ship and fly it back to the
> 1970s. Even though the film isn't done Matt still
> sells copies. It's worth checking out. His email
> address is:
>
> msotis@m...

For those of you who purchased the Gideon Action
figure are already familiar with Matt's work. He
painted the face and did the hair.

CH



__________________________________

It's great! I'm going to print them



TIM



...--- Michael Whitty <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>
> John
>
> The calendar looks absolutely fantastic.
>
> Thanks so much for sharing.
>
> I'd appreciate it if others could chime in with
> feedback.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I uploaded a 2005 calendar (Word document) to the
> groups Files
> > folder. This one has images from Planet and
> Beneath.
> >
> > It's a little over 2 MG. There's two months on a
> page, so you'll
> > need to cut each month out. Make sure you leave
> enough room on
> top
> > for a couple staples. I glued a magnet on the
> back which is good
> > for hanging on the fridge (or a metal cabinet at
> work), or you
> could
> > punch a hole in the top to hang it.
> >
> > Thanks to Greg P for his help.
> >
> > John O.
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

Rory <Haristas@...> wrote:

>
> Not at nearly $50 a pop. It's a little insane, especially when you think,

as

> I do, is this POTA or is it just a piece of plastic, with about as much
> connection with a movie made thirty-six years ago as I do with a rock on

the moon?

> Maybe I'm just getting old, but more and more I'm caring less and less

about

> this stuff.

I find myself thinking that more and more these days. The figures look nice
enough but there is no way I can justify paying that for something that will
probably just sit in my collection gathering dust anyway. I'd sooner spend
the money on other things.

Alan

.html

I uploaded a 2005 calendar (Word document) to the groups Files
folder.  This one has images from Planet and Beneath.

It's a little over 2 MG.  There's two months on a page, so you'll
need to cut each month out.  Make sure you leave enough room on top
for a couple staples.  I glued a magnet on the back which is good
for hanging on the fridge (or a metal cabinet at work), or you could
punch a hole in the top to hang it.

Thanks to Greg P for his help.

John O.





------------------------ --------------------~--> 
Thanks for the calendar, John. Elaine

 

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> but there's usually that LARGER sized pic, the "Full" sized one.

My question: How does one -- such as I -- get ahold of the Full-
sized pic in question? Is there a way to access it from the
Photos/Folder/Thumbnail of the pic in question? What's the point in
telling us how many more kilobytes the largest version of the pic
is, if we can't get ACCESS to that larger pic

--Patrick, unfortunately the only members who can access the larger
pictures are the ones who uploaded it in the first place. Why Yahoo
needs to therefore give us all that info about the larger size pics,
only they know!

> How do you "send" a pic from, say, MY computer into the "Photos"

section of this or any other Yahoo group site? I could scan the over
and do so, if I knew the exact procedure.

-- Go to the folder that you want to put the photo / picture in.
Near the top you will see a link that says: Add Photo. Click on it
and this will then take you to the upload page.
Use 'Option 2'(When Using this option you can upload up to 6
different pictures at the same time) and browse to where the picture
is stored on your computer, click on it and then click on 'open'.
You can then if you want to, give a name to the picture (type it in
the box directly under titled Name:) or just leave it and it will
automatically use the name you already have it saved as.
Finally just click on the 'upload' button near the bottom and the
pictures will be put into the folder you chose.

Hope this helps,

Neil

.html Yes, Patrick. That is what I meant that the original planet focuses on one segment of ape society. I tend to think that the earth is ruled by apes but they have many different cultures. In Planet we see an ape society ruled by orangutans who try to keep a strict order and are fearful of humans and change. Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> Yes, Patrick. That is what I meant that the original planet

focuses on one segment of ape society. I tend to think that the
earth is ruled by apes but they have many different cultures.

-- Which gives us a whole world of different stories to come up
with, something that some of the Marvel magazine's stories did so
well.

Neil

.html.html

>For your information, Zaius, (the Orangutan Leaders), and the High
Council ARE the leaders of the Ape World... If you're thinking there
might be other societies out there, they aren't Ape ruled anyway...

Patrick, Helen, and TaeBoKitti,

What I said above is what I had said in my post... I clearly stated that Zaius (or the other "Higher Up" Apes are in charge of the Ape World... No where did I say they totally run the whole planet...

<.html <.html

.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/21/2004 10:07:24 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

-- Which gives us a whole world of different stories to come up
with, something that some of the Marvel magazine's stories did so
well.

Yeah, like them 'coon skin cap wearing apes, and the great stories of the Viking apes...

<.html <.html

.html

In a message dated 12/21/2004 10:02:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

> Do I detect some Man Bashing?
> I'm offended!
=================================================================

*** You shouldn't be, T.

 

I was joking.

Don't make me tell

The Feminist Jokes

 

<.html

Yeah - lucky Foster is not writing these stories!

He asked me recently when the "Brains in a Jar" would appear in the new
TV Show comic! ;)

I said "never", but I'll bet he tries to slip one past me! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: mlccougar@...[SMTP:MLCCOUGAR@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:10:10 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Aping Human Society
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/21/2004 10:07:24 PM Central Standard Time,
taebokitti@... writes:



-- Which gives us a whole world of different stories to come up
with, something that some of the Marvel magazine's stories did so
well.




Yeah, like them 'coon skin cap wearing apes, and the great stories of
the
Viking apes...

Thanks Mike!

It's great to see so many old friends here. Chris Hight,
mlccouger, go ape billy...
The comic is smart and looks great. Brings back memories of the
Jason and Alexander days. Dynamite pencil work! Love that "Monkey's
Headquarters" goof. I think I had that album once upon a time! I was
recently working on a similar scene for the 'Planet of the Men'
project in which the first gorilla into Brent's ship finds an old
1972 copy of Playboy magazine. The camera pulls back
from "Entertainment for Men" as the centerfold drops open. Sexist,
timely, telling (ala Eldon Burke's Gorilla Sgt. stroking Albinas hair
in Beneath).
Nice to see you continued the Marcus (Eldon Burke again) character.
I couldn't resist but do the same in POTM; he's my main character
of the 4 gorilla leads.
Also, I was thrilled to find links here to the "aging Galen
bumpers". I had heard about it for the last 24 years, but missed them
on that only(?) broadcast in 1980.
I'm looking forward to exploring the DG further, finding old gems,
and meeting new friends! Thanks again for the warm welcome and have a
great holiday!
Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Welcome Matt!
>
> Could you please take a moment to tell us about your film?
>
> Also, I would be honoured to get some feedback from you about the
> original comics Beware the Beast, the "Within" strips and the
new "Going
> Home" strip (when you have some spare time!!!).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Yahoo! Groups Notification [notify@yahoogroups.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 5:33 PM
> To: PotaDG-owner@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: New PotaDG member
>
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
> This is an automated email message to let you know that
sotis_matthew
> joined your PotaDG group.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Yeah - lucky Foster is not writing these stories! He asked me

recently when the "Brains in a Jar" would appear in the new TV Show
comic! ;) I said "never", but I'll bet he tries to slip one past
me! ;)

-- That's 'brains in glass fish bowls' actually , they weren't in
jars!! I mean, brains in jars, now that would be just downright
silly! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:

> For those of you who purchased the Gideon Action figure are

already familiar with Matt's work. He painted the face and did the
hair.

-- Hey I have one of those figures and you are right Chris, it's an
excellent likness, looks just like how I drew the big guy (infact
the whole thing is wonderful, the little extras and everything!)
Nice work Matt (and Chris and anyone else involved).

Neil

You name it. I owe you more than that for all the time you spent
in that gorilla costume! I want to put that trailer on my site to
show you off, but haven't got the Video platform back up and running
today. It's been rough. Wendi and I had to have Ashley (our cocker
spaniel) put to sleep this morning. She's was 14 and in poor health.
Remember her? She made more than a guest appearance alongside you in
POTM as the first dog to go from the "virus from space"...
Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> Can I put that toward my George Reeves Superman head I
> need painted? ;p
>
>
> CH
>
>
>
> __________________________________

Wow, this is starting to sound like a reunion. Nice artwork Neil!
I think Chris did a wonderful job producing those figures.
It's great to get the stamp of approval from the original artist too.
Great to meet you!
Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> > For those of you who purchased the Gideon Action figure are
> already familiar with Matt's work. He painted the face and did the
> hair.
>
> -- Hey I have one of those figures and you are right Chris, it's an
> excellent likness, looks just like how I drew the big guy (infact
> the whole thing is wonderful, the little extras and everything!)
> Nice work Matt (and Chris and anyone else involved).
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
wrote:

> Remember her? She made more than a guest appearance alongside you

in POTM as the first dog to go from the "virus from space"...

-- Matt, I think Chris mentioned earlier that you sell DVD copies of
this movie (or will be when it is finished?). Is this correct? and
if so are you able to give us details?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
wrote:

>Wow, this is starting to sound like a reunion. Nice artwork Neil! I

think Chris did a wonderful job producing those figures. It's great
to get the stamp of approval from the original artist too. Great to
meet you!

-- Thanks Matt good to have you here with us! Like I said I am
really happy with the Gideon figure, it has pride of place on top of
one of the bookcases in our lounge room.

Neil

Thanks Michael, I was never much on advertising usually because of
backlog. I thank all of you who've had great patience with me.
I always hope it's worth the wait! Please feel free to post the site.
Thanks! Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> How come I have never seen this awesome site?
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: ron kenner[SMTP:BRINDLEPIT2002@Y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:52:18 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: the sotis movie
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> check it out:
>
> (from sotis)
>
> P.S There are a few early frame grabs on my site:
> <http://msotis.home.mindspring.com/>
http://msotis.home.mindspring.com
>
>
> "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
>
> Any preview clips?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:
> > hi-
> > sotis emailed me right back; he says there are four segments, adn
> it runs about 2 hours; he sells vhs or dvd for $20 dollars (USD)
> > this is on my list to buy after i buy the return dvd
> >
> > Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Did you guys ever check out the unfinished Matt Sotis
> > fan made film? Made about 10 years ago it involves 4
> > gorillas that find Brent's ship and fly it back to the
> > 1970s. Even though the film isn't done Matt still
> > sells copies. It's worth checking out. His email
> > address is:
> >
> > msotis@m...

Ahhhh, music to my ears......Thanks Always Neil!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
> wrote:
> >Wow, this is starting to sound like a reunion. Nice artwork Neil!
I
> think Chris did a wonderful job producing those figures. It's great
> to get the stamp of approval from the original artist too. Great to
> meet you!
>
> -- Thanks Matt good to have you here with us! Like I said I am
> really happy with the Gideon figure, it has pride of place on top
of
> one of the bookcases in our lounge room.
>
> Neil

Yeah, I actually sent that to Playmate and suggested they do a figure of
it but remember they said it would cost them copyright to Simpsons AND
to POTA so forget it!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 9:06:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Simpson's Zaius Figure
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Has anyone seen one of these? I haven't seen these before, and I
thought it was really cool. It's a custom figure. They say that it
talks when placed on a special base. The package design is dated
2002 by Playmates Toys. It's from "A Fish Called Selma."

http://www.halloweenhost.com/horror/ghastly/ozaius.html"
<http://www.halloweenhost.com/horror/ghastly/ozaius.html">

--Helen

That sucks- I figured there'd be less red tape considering both
licenses were owned by 20th Century Fox, but I guess it's more
complicated than that. I'm not a Simpsons collector but I'd love some
Simpsons Apes and a Dr.Who.

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yeah, I actually sent that to Playmate and suggested they do a figure of
> it but remember they said it would cost them copyright to Simpsons AND
> to POTA so forget it!
>
> Michael

.html <.html

Well, strangely enough - Sideshow seems to have a license for Simpsons
AND POTA right now!

I have petitioned them, but I did not get a reply!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Mike[SMTP:DOCTAHOOT@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 23, 2004 4:36:05 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Simpson's Zaius Figure
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

That sucks- I figured there'd be less red tape considering both
licenses were owned by 20th Century Fox, but I guess it's more
complicated than that. I'm not a Simpsons collector but I'd love some
Simpsons Apes and a Dr.Who.

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yeah, I actually sent that to Playmate and suggested they do a figure
of
> it but remember they said it would cost them copyright to Simpsons AND
> to POTA so forget it!
>
> Michael

True true. Sideshow may be pulling in more money than Playmates does,
so it's possible that SS can afford the license but Playmates can't.

Fox owns the X-Files too, but even the Simpsons versions of those
characters that appeared on the show were never produced. Maybe the
demand wasn't there..but then the Simpsons line has even obscure
characters included, you'd think they'd further appease the completists.
(funny enough, Sideshow has an X-Files license too)

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Well, strangely enough - Sideshow seems to have a license for Simpsons
> AND POTA right now!
>
> I have petitioned them, but I did not get a reply!
>
> Michael

Just wanted to inform everyone that the following file and folder
have been moved to free up space:

2005POTA Calendar.doc
2005 POTA calendar - Planet/Beneath - John O (w/help from Greg P)

Newton Comics (Australia)
Posters & swap cards

You can now find them at the DG Photos site:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/
In the files section:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/files/

This group was created to house the overflow of Files and Photos
from the main DG group, allowing us to free up space and keep the
group functioning!
Importantly, you will need to either be a member of this group or
join to be able to access the files (it's quick and painless!).

Thanks
Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:

>Thank John and Greg. I liked it so much I enlarged the pics so

that they filled up the page in landscape mode. I tried to upload
that version to the site, but unfortunately there isn't enough space
for it :-(

-- Dario if you still want to upload it I suggest you upload it to
the DG Photos group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/
In the files section:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/files/

There is more space there and you should have no problems placing it
in the files section. Remember though, you will need to either be a
member of that group or join to be able to access the files section.

Neil