Yeah. Our youngest was particularly fond of Battle (the movie) and
when we got the TV Series I was pleased to see her watch that
instead. Much more child friendly. Much less violent.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> My girls like the TV Show too.
>
> Michael
>
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> > ----------
> > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
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> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
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>
> I know what you mean. I hadn't ever seen the TV Series until
> Michael sent me the set last year. I'm saving one disk (the last
> one) to view sometime in the future. I haven't watched it yet.
> Even though the series might be disappointing in some ways, I look
> forward to having that last disk to watch some day...
>
> My kids don't get it, though and are a little sore that I'm not
> letting them watch it either.
>
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> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> > I didn't see Conquest and Battle until I got the box set for
my
> VCR.
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> >
> >
> > Wow! That must have been cool.
> > Like new POTA movies, to you anyway.
> > Sorry the quality was on the decline.
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> > POTA2K1 in many ways.
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and Photoshop on a 120Mhz NEC with an FPS60 video card. That was
all remastered a couple of years later to a Pinnacle DC30 pro
around the same time I switched from VHS to HI8 (Sony TRV6??).
Still using Premiere (6.5 now) and Photoshop 7.0 on an ASUS Mobo
with a PIII and the DC30. I'd like to get away from that DC30
(no longer supported), but i've got so many films using that
native hardware codec, the migration will be a killer.
I'm doing all the MPEG mastering on that box, but the DVD
burn on a DELL dimension 8250. What kind of cool toys are you playing
with?
Matt

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/27/2004 1:47:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sotis_matthew@y... writes:
>
> As to the equipment list...
>
>
> Actually Matt I was interested in what you shot, and edited it with
and how
> you did your process shots. I'm film student and I geek out on
that stuff.

Maybe this is too difficult (strange?) a question but let's see if I
can pull it off...

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

I do have a feeling about this myself which I will share, but I am
interested to know what you all feel.

I would also be interested to know what rating YOU would like to see
it have if your personal preferences are different from what you
think would make it a success.

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 6:19:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

If Kim Hunter, and any other female chimps, had to wear a knit top
the weight of those cuffs, in addition to neck fur and mask and
boots, etc... how uncomfortable would that be??? 

 

The hobble skirt underneath is all one piece,

top, sleeves and all.  The knit is a loose weave

so it breaths, but you're right!  With a leather

collared jacket over it, not to mention all the

makeup.  Even thin foam rubber on your face

will build up body heat quickly.  Try wearing

one of those foam ski masks indoors all day.

Add to that the wig and hair pieces and it's

very hot.  It doesn't matter whether out in the

sun or under the movie lights.  It's going to

be really hot!  I originally though that she

had a chin piece or "neck fur"  that was

removed after the original.  Someone has

convinced me that in Planet it was only

grease paint, but we've argued about this

before.  I still have some doubts, but if she

did, that's even worse, since Helena had

remarked that neck hair was one of the

biggest agonies of the makeup.  With or

without it, the make up isn't something you

can get used to, even after months of wearing

it on a daily basis.  We owe a debt of thanks

to our POTA actors for carrying on like real

troopers just to get those shots.  But If you

look at the candid stills taken in between

takes, you'll see that Kim doesn't wear the

jacked.  And on the beach Maurice only

wears a T-shirt.

 

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/27/2004 11:35:58 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > If she thought Julius to be cruel and stupid, then she could well

have had a chimpanzee do the job -- perhaps a student working on
his/her Master's degree. Zira has a doctorate, right? Why have
a "cruel" and "stupid" ape working under her in her lab, when she
probably has enough "pull" to get a more competent ape (a chimp) to
do it?

>
> First off, it's not "her" lab... It's probably "state/government"

owned... I'd say this is more than likely, just because of the
conversation between Zira and Dr. Galen... He is complaining about
how he's little more than a vet in that lab, and how Zira does
alright when it comes to getting space and equipment... They also
talk about a "quota system" and how Dr. Zaius realizes the animal
psychologists experiments has value... If it's "Zira's lab" she'd
have the pull and say so, but from all that is said in there, it's
obvious who's the overseer: Dr. Zaius... She just barely got ahead,
after all, Zaius looks down at his nose at Chimps... With that type
of attitude, it's obvious she really has no pull to get who she wants
in there... She's barely getting anywhere...

> Anyway, I'd really doubt she'd have a Chimp student to

do "Gorilla's work"... She'd be seeing them as doing research, not
grunt work such as cleaning up after beasts, clubbing them to keep
them in line, hosing out their cages, etc..
- - - - - - - - - -
*** By "her lab", I meant "the lab she and Julius both work in",
which I readily agree is probably "state-owned", and under the
purview of the Ministry of Science.

Incidentally, though, Zaius doesn't consider Zira's psychological
experiments to be of value -- it's "our work" (as Zira calls it)
involving "the cerebral functions of these animals". They're laying
the foundations for BRAIN SURGERY, and using the humans as the test
animals in their comparative anatomy studies, so that when they
eventually DO begin to perform brain surgery on Apes, they'll have
enough experience having done it on mere animals -- on humans -- to
do it successfully on Ape patients. It's THAT work that Zaius is "all
in favor of"; but, as he continues to say, he is NOT all that
thrilled by Zira's behavioral studies. He states the belief (a belief
he probably secretly knows to be untrue) that Man has no soul and,
hence, no comparable Mind with which to compare the Ape mind: "To
suggest that we can learn anything about Simian Nature from the study
of Man is sheer nonsense!"

The lab in which she, Dr. Galen, Julius and others work, though, is
one in which Zira has been able to "do alright" when it comes to
finding space and equipment. And I still think that IF Zira were a
racist (in her views on gorillas) in "PLANET", then she would be able
to fix it so that she could get fellow chimps to do the work Julius
does. If she has racist views so early in the game, then her
attitudes towards Julius would reflect that -- and they don't. Zira
BECOMES an anti-gorilla racist because of Ursus' abuse of executive
power -- gearing up for the invasion of the Forbidden Zone. I know of
more than a few left-wingers who -- appalled at our current
President's "senseless military adventure" in Iraq -- have come to
think of ALL Republicans who voted to (re-)elect him as fools and
idiots. In a way, our country is as polarized over the War issue as
the Ape society is/was/will-be over Ursus' policies. On the one hand,
you have the protesting chimps; on the other hand you have the gung-
ho gorillas; and then you have the orangutans, who go along with the
policy (to support-the-troops, perhaps?) though they don't have to go
fight it themselves. Sounds like the Chickenhawks that Al Franken
writes about in his "Lies & the Lying Liars" book...
---------------------------------------------------------

>
> > She works with him in the lab -- he's her assistant, she's in

charge. She must think him competent to do the tasks she needs him
for: to FEED the beasts, to HOSE 'EM DOWN when they start to reek,
etc. I can't see HER hosing Taylor down -- that's the sort of task
Julius would do...

>
> Where do you get that he is "her assistant"? Julius is employed by

that facility to be a caretaker to the beasts, not to be Zira's
assistant... If he were her assistant, he'd be taking notes, running
her errands, etc. but he's not... He just does the physical labor
part of animal care... And you're right Zira would never do the tasks
that Julius does... And as such, it's highly doubtful that she'd
expect any Chimp to do that... She'd probably think "That kind of
work is fit for Gorillas, not us intellectuals..."

*** Julius DOES assist Zira. He rushes off to get the ointment to
salve Taylor's torch-burn, doesn't he? If he were a mere janitor and
animal-handler, why wouldn't he just say, "Get it yourself, Doctor; I
ain't paid to do that" or something like that? Zira doesn't need him
to take notes -- that's why SHE herself has her own little notepad-&-
pencil, which she keeps tucked into the pocket covered by her chimp-
glyph. Frankly, I can't imagine Pavlov having an ASSISTANT take his
notes for him; a researcher, needing to have his/her OWN information
jotted down, is NOT gonna farm out that work to a glorified janitor.

When the gorilla lieutenant (and his fruit-eating pal) show up, they
tell Julius to have "the beast in [cage] Number Four" prepped for
surgery, to be gelded by the vet (probably Dr. Galen, who laments
that he's "little more than a vet" there). This is being done WITHOUT
Zira's knowledge, of course, on Zaius' orders. And what does Julius
do? Does he go out and call for Dr. Galen or somebody else to do the
prepping? No, he unlocks Taylor's cage and prepares to put the muzzle
on him, like he's probably done hundreds of times with other humans
that've been used in surgical dissection procedures.

When a person in our hospitals is "prepped" for surgery, it isn't by
the janitor, fer chrissakes. It's done by an ORDERLY of some kind. A
nurse, at the least. And -- for those unruly patients -- there are
tough male nurses around that can deal with any trouble they may try
to give. I knew a guy back in high school -- a beefy wrestler -- who
had to have a spinal tap done on him WITHOUT ANAESTHESIA; he had to
be held down by a Schwarzenegger-like male nurse so that he wouldn't
budge when the needle went up his spinal column. Ouch!

Julius, among other things, must be some sort of "orderly" in this
lab. If he is prepping humans for surgery, then he ain't just a
glorified janitor. Neither is he the Chief of Surgery. But he does a
job that needs to be done. I don't get the impression that he's a
down-and-out menial who doesn't dare to risk losing his job by
getting on the bad side of a racist overseer. I just don't see Zira
looking at him with racist views. She doesn't HAVE such views (at
least in the extreme) until current events prompt her to paint ALL
gorillas with the same brush, out of frustration at being ineffectual
in her mini-protest (her "bad behavior at the meeting"). Oh, she
probably has ALWAYS had the feeling that chimpanzees -- due to their
tendency to be inquisitive and intellectual -- are 'better' than the
other two types of apes. But her general feelings of superiority to
the "blinkered pseudoscientific" orangutans and the "militaristic
nincompoop" gorillas are a far cry from the blanket statement that
gorillas are "CRUEL because they're STUPID: all bone and little
brain". Or that the gorillas have "diseased brains" which have made
them go "wrong". By the time Zira says these things, she has
progressed (or regressed, one might say) from a superiority complex
to an all-out prejudiced and HATEFUL view of non-chimpanzees.

Does Zira, in "PLANET", think that Julius has a "diseased brain"?
Jeez, I just don't see it. He is her assistant in the lab; he DOES
run errands for her, as when she tells him, "Get me a collar and
leash... I'm taking him out of here." Isn't THAT an errand she's
sending him on? She expects him to do what he's told, as any doctor
would expect of an orderly who works under him/her.

Quite frankly, one of the things about "BENEATH" that particularly
grabs me is this notable change in Zira's personality from "PLANET".
She's much more likable in "PLANET" -- she is "sinned against" in it,
and thus sympathetic. But in "BENEATH", though she is also "sinned
against" in it, she has undergone a personality shift to the worse,
by becoming an all-out racist. It isn't enough that she disagrees
with the views espoused by Ursus and supported enthusiastically by
the gorilla contingent to the Citizen's Council meeting; Zira has to
go to the extreme of venting to Cornelius her opinion that "If I had
any sense of scientific purpose, Cornelius, I shouldn't be cutting up
the healthy heads of humans; I should be DISSECTING THE DISEASED
BRAINS OF GORILLAS, to find out what went wrong!"

Imagine a pissed-off liberal saying "Researchers should do
exploratory surgery on the diseased brains of Republicans, to find
out why they have such stupid political opinions!"

Zira's off the chart, here, Cougar. Rather than make her as likable
as she was in "PLANET", Dehn made her react to the extreme situation
her society is facing with not-so-unrealistic tendencies to become
politically polarized. Dehn makes her out to be on the verge of
revolution -- as in the bit in the novelization, where Avallone
writes this:

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:58:26 A.M. Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

Nope, Becuase he was lazy and/or paid minimum wage.

 

This is what I don't get.  Are you people watching this scene

or doing other stuff while it's on?  You can see that the guy

isn't watching the meter on the board.  He's watching Caesar

for his reaction.  If you would just pay attention you wouldn't

have to ask other people what your saw.

 

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Maybe this is too difficult (strange?) a question but let's see if I
can pull it off...

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

I do have a feeling about this myself which I will share, but I am
interested to know what you all feel.

I would also be interested to know what rating YOU would like to see
it have if your personal preferences are different from what you
think would make it a success.

go vegetarian!

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:22:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, sotis_matthew@... writes:

What kind of cool toys are you playing
with?

None.  I wish I had more cool toys, but being a returning

student on a fixed income I just don't have the dough.  Last

year I put an All-In-Wonder video card in my old box.  Which

is pretty cool.  It came with Pinnacle Studio 8.  But I don't have

a lot of STUFF!  I have an old hand-me-down compact VHS

camera that still works.  There's some cool gear at school

though.  They have computer editing, don't know if its Pro-Tools

or a knock off.  I haven't taken the course yet.  But I have played

with the Arriflex 16mm camera, and the Nagra tape recorder.  I

used to have a recording studio from which I saved my Fostex

16 track reel to reel.  I'm an audio geek too.  But with all the

studying I haven't kept up with all the tech, but I try.  Some

day I hope to put it all together and have a Indie Film Studio.

If you're going to daydream, dream BIG!  Right?  But I really

am impressed with the FX you did.  They were better then

the ones in Playmate Of The Apes without a doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:27:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

 

I've said it many times and I'll say it again.  It needs to be R.

There are a lot of adult themes in this thing.  And POTA is,

as you may know, probably the only G rated film in history

with bare-assed scenes in it.  But like Star Wars, POTA

has been tamed down for kids, though the ratings belie

that (Conquest being the anomaly).  There's no denying it.

Kids think talking monkeys are cool.  And Fox played to that,

and Apes suffered because of it.  In order to be taken seriously

as a Sci-fi masterpiece again it has got to go the other way. 

 

I say make it NC-17 with all the sex and violence they can muster.

When I was 7 years old it was the heaviest thing I'd seen to date.

And this would be the only thing that would bring that feeling back

to Apes fans.  The feeling that I was witnessing something ground

breaking.  Something that made you think!  It Wowed audiences,

it was so heavy.  How can you do that now in the 21 century with

a sophisticated desensitized modern audience?  This is the only way.

I say if you can't improve it, don't bother remaking it.  Are you listening

Tim Burton?  I don't think he wanted to make it better, even if he could. 

That's why he failed.

 

 

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When Lucius comes in to get taylor, Julius hesitates
when he says Zira wants the beast.....and wants to see
papers from someone that actually is over him. So J.
doesn't work for Zira but for the state i.e. Zaius...
Tim

--- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/27/2004 11:35:58 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:
>
> > If she thought Julius to be cruel and stupid, then
> she could well have had
> > a chimpanzee do the job -- perhaps a student
> working on his/her Master's
> > degree. Zira has a doctorate, right? Why have a
> "cruel" and "stupid" ape working
> > under her in her lab, when she probably has enough
> "pull" to get a more
> > competent ape (a chimp) to do it?
>
> First off, it's not "her" lab... It's probably
> "state/government" owned...
> I'd say this is more than likely, just because of
> the conversation between Zira
> and Dr. Galen... He is complaining about how he's
> little more than a vet in
> that lab, and how Zira does alright when it comes to
> getting space and
> equipment... They also talk about a "quota system"
> and how Dr. Zaius realizes the
> animal psychologists experiments has value... If
> it's "Zira's lab" she'd have the
> pull and say so, but from all that is said in there,
> it's obvious who's the
> overseer: Dr. Zaius... She just barely got ahead,
> after all, Zaius looks down at
> his nose at Chimps... With that type of attitude,
> it's obvious she really has
> no pull to get who she wants in there... She's
> barely getting anywhere...
> Anyway, I'd really doubt she'd have a Chimp student
> to do "Gorilla's work"...
> She'd be seeing them as doing research, not grunt
> work such as cleaning up
> after beasts, clubbing them to keep them in line,
> hosing out their cages, etc..
>
> > She works with him in the lab -- he's her
> assistant, she's in charge. She
> > must think him competent to do the tasks she needs
> him for: to
> > FEED the beasts, to HOSE 'EM DOWN when they start
> to reek, etc. I can't see
> > HER hosing Taylor down -- that's the sort of task
> Julius would do...
>
> Where do you get that he is "her assistant"? Julius
> is employed by that
> facility to be a caretaker to the beasts, not to be
> Zira's assistant... If he were
> her assistant, he'd be taking notes, running her
> errands, etc. but he's not...
> He just does the physical labor part of animal
> care... And you're right Zira
> would never do the tasks that Julius does... And as
> such, it's highly
> doubtful that she'd expect any Chimp to do that...
> She'd probably think "That kind of
> work is fit for Gorillas, not us intellectuals..."
>

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.html Good point about the tv series comic not always dealing with the astronauts and Galen. New characters could be introduced and new stories could be developed about previous characters. Elaine<.html

If they were all released these days I would say they
would maybe get a PG-13 if not a regular PG. A few
shots of the astronauts' butts wouldn't change
anything....there would have to be a sex scene to get
an R......and there is a WHOLE lot more violence in
movies now than Z&C getting shot or the Battle in
Battle.Subject matter (the end of the world!) doesn't
seem to effect ratings.....

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:27:37 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@... writes:
>
> If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the
> Apes movie
> series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13,
> R) would it need
> to have in order to be successful in your opinion?
>
>
>
> I've said it many times and I'll say it again. It
> needs to be R.
> There are a lot of adult themes in this thing. And
> POTA is,
> as you may know, probably the only G rated film in
> history
> with bare-assed scenes in it. But like Star Wars,
> POTA
> has been tamed down for kids, though the ratings
> belie
> that (Conquest being the anomaly). There's no
> denying it.
> Kids think talking monkeys are cool. And Fox played
> to that,
> and Apes suffered because of it. In order to be
> taken seriously
> as a Sci-fi masterpiece again it has got to go the
> other way.
>
> I say make it NC-17 with all the sex and violence
> they can muster.
> When I was 7 years old it was the heaviest thing I'd
> seen to date.
> And this would be the only thing that would bring
> that feeling back
> to Apes fans. The feeling that I was witnessing
> something ground
> breaking. Something that made you think! It Wowed
> audiences,
> it was so heavy. How can you do that now in the 21
> century with
> a sophisticated desensitized modern audience? This
> is the only way.
> I say if you can't improve it, don't bother remaking
> it. Are you listening
> Tim Burton? I don't think he wanted to make it
> better, even if he could.
> That's why he failed.
>
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 12/28/04 8:49:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, goapebilly@... writes:

i m  sure it did get very hot and unbearable under the lights at times,but if i remember correctly a lot outside filming wasnt done during the heat of summer,isnt that how taylor got his raspy voice from being sick running in a loincloth and freezing ,and had the flu when they filmed the famous scene of him in net talking for first time.

take your paws off me you damn dirty ape!


PLANET was shot in late spring and summer 1967 and it was damn hot!

-- Rory<.html <.html

That seems like the best chance for it! Probably on TV though.....

Michael

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> From: Mithril1960@...[SMTP:MITHRIL1960@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:44:33 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1300
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Anyone think there's a chance we'll ever see a faithful adapatation of
the novel as written? With CGI, it wouldn't cost that much...

It would need an "R" rating.

It needs to be ADULT.

The last one was aimed at 15 year olds and look what happened!

The guaranteed audience is OUR age - late 30s/early 40s.

It is important that they get that right this time.

There could even be a version that is rated lower, as I saw "Saturday
Night Fever" at age 15 (poorly edited with all the swearing and sex
scenes cut). In this day and age there is NO reason they could not
properly make a couple of versions - one adult and one for kids.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:24:58 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Maybe this is too difficult (strange?) a question but let's see if I
can pull it off...

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

I do have a feeling about this myself which I will share, but I am
interested to know what you all feel.

I would also be interested to know what rating YOU would like to see
it have if your personal preferences are different from what you
think would make it a success.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> There could even be a version that is rated lower, as I

saw "Saturday

> Night Fever" at age 15 (poorly edited with all the swearing and sex
> scenes cut). In this day and age there is NO reason they could not
> properly make a couple of versions - one adult and one for kids.
>
> Michael
>

Do they do this? Make two versions? I know Feature Films for
Families takes movies that have already run their course and edits
out the bad words and naughty situations and makes them nicer for
family viewing. Do the filmmakers ever make two versions of the
same movie when it is first released? The cleaner version and the
uncut version at the same time?

--Helen

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What I'm say is not what those movies would be rated today.

The question was if a sequel/conclusion were made, what

rating would it need to be successful. 

 

And the answer is to be successful today, the bare-assed

stuff or Taylor slapping his throat with a blood pack isn't

going to cut it.  In the book the humans didn't have clothes.

Nova with full-frontal nudity is what I'm talking about.  The

supervised mating scene should be in there too.  You can

Disneify Apes enough to get a PG rating -- Burton proved

that.  But why?  It doesn't make it a better film.  Are you

going to lose a percentage of box office receipts by

excluding the kids?  Yes.  But that's a tiny fraction when

you take into account PPV and DVD rentals and sales.

That's where it going to make it money.  Make a better

POTA if you want it successful.  Don't cheat the audience.

 

 

 

In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:48:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

If they were all released these days I would say they
would maybe  get a PG-13 if not a regular PG.  A few
shots of the astronauts' butts wouldn't change
anything....there would have to be a sex scene to get
an R......and there is a WHOLE lot more violence in
movies now than Z&C getting shot or the Battle in
Battle.Subject matter (the end of the world!) doesn't
seem to effect ratings.....

 

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:59:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

PLANET was shot in late spring and summer 1967 and it was damn hot!

 

That's one of the reasons they shot the new one starting in November.

 

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 4:52:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

PG13 would be fine. It works for the Star Wars films. There really wasn't any ultra violence in any of the Apes films, Conquest being the lone exception. Did we see any really bloody scenes other than Brent getting killed and Taylor holding his chest? Not really, so PG 13 would work fine.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 4:52:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Are you people watching this scene
or doing other stuff while it's on?  You can see that the guy
isn't watching the meter on the board.  He's watching Caesar
for his reaction.  If you would just pay attention you wouldn't
have to ask other people what your saw.

Why should he watch the meter? He does this every day conditioning apes. All he's doing here is giving ceasar a little more juice than normal. Perhaps he's watching ceasar becuase he doesn't want to set his fur on fire. That's a really nasty smell.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 5:42:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

PG13 would be fine. It works for the Star Wars films.

No, it doesn't.  They've barely made a comeback

from the Ewok Episode, and did not do the kind

of business they had hoped for. They may recover

this summer, as the latest installment is more

adult and much much darker. Lucas learned his

lesson after Jar Jar Binks.  He should have learned

after the Ewoks, but he was riding high on the

success of Empire. 

 

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I would like to express my deepest sadness for the huge loss of life
in Southeast Asia. My thoughts and prayers are for those who have
lost loved ones, who have suffered injury, and who have lost their
homes in this terrible tragedy.

With deepest sympathy,
Helen

I totally agree with you here T but I also don't see why they can't
intelligently deliver to BOTH audiences.

I wouldn't go as far as CALIGULA did, that's just unnecessary. However
there could easily be a version for adults released in the cinemas and a
cleverly edited version for DVD release, vice-versa or even two
cinematic releases. Why not?

Yes, more realism with completely naked humans and they can even
cleverly photograph that (eg NYPD Blue love scenes) to get the
appropriate ratings. Yes, more violence but those scenes again could be
cut for the kiddies and again no need for senseless gore - just realism.

Michael

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What I'm say is not what those movies would be rated today.
The question was if a sequel/conclusion were made, what
rating would it need to be successful.

And the answer is to be successful today, the bare-assed
stuff or Taylor slapping his throat with a blood pack isn't
going to cut it. In the book the humans didn't have clothes.
Nova with full-frontal nudity is what I'm talking about. The
supervised mating scene should be in there too. You can
Disneify Apes enough to get a PG rating -- Burton proved
that. But why? It doesn't make it a better film. Are you
going to lose a percentage of box office receipts by
excluding the kids? Yes. But that's a tiny fraction when
you take into account PPV and DVD rentals and sales.
That's where it going to make it money. Make a better
POTA if you want it successful. Don't cheat the audience.

Caligula is one (poor) example - there's an "R" rated and an "X" rated.

As I said, Saturday Night Fever was done in the 70's - I saw it at the
drive-in cut to pieces.

With modern technology and attitudes to releases such as LOTR, why not
two versions? The approach in the past was as we saw with Planet -
adults to the movies, kids get the TV Show and younger kids get the
cartoon. Why risk all those mediums when you can take the same movie,
release a version for kids 12 - 15, a juicier version for 18 and over
and the another version with extra scenes for DVD?

No, they don't quite do what I am suggesting yet but I don't see why
not!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:24:23 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> There could even be a version that is rated lower, as I
saw "Saturday
> Night Fever" at age 15 (poorly edited with all the swearing and sex
> scenes cut). In this day and age there is NO reason they could not
> properly make a couple of versions - one adult and one for kids.
>
> Michael
>


Do they do this? Make two versions? I know Feature Films for
Families takes movies that have already run their course and edits
out the bad words and naughty situations and makes them nicer for
family viewing. Do the filmmakers ever make two versions of the
same movie when it is first released? The cleaner version and the
uncut version at the same time?

--Helen

I'd like to add my thoughts to these. It is sorta ON topic too, because
Sumatra, one of the two known Orangutan homes, was hit hard too.

Michael

>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:04:19 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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I would like to express my deepest sadness for the huge loss of life
in Southeast Asia. My thoughts and prayers are for those who have
lost loved ones, who have suffered injury, and who have lost their
homes in this terrible tragedy.

With deepest sympathy,
Helen

Who got their comics?

I sent a bunch of them last week!

Michael

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 7:09:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Yes, more violence but those scenes again could be
cut for the kiddies and again no need for senseless gore - just realism.

 

The question is, do you release the uncut version?

Or save that one for the DVD?  Hmmmm.....

I like Mike's idea of having both at the same time.

You could even have both in different theaters in

the same Cineplex.  Now that would be cool.

Then everyone could see the version they'd

prefer.  Except the kids of course, unless

they sneak in.  And you know they will.

 

 

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Speaking of that....

Could you feel this orbit wobbling day shortening Quake

in Australia?  Because we didn't feel it over here.

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No - we were lucky. All the countries that were hit are not really too
far away.

Michael

>
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Speaking of that....
Could you feel this orbit wobbling day shortening Quake
in Australia? Because we didn't feel it over here.

.html.html In a message dated 12/28/2004 8:45:45 AM Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

Anyone think there's a chance we'll ever see a faithful adapatation of the novel as written?

It'd be interesting to see that...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/28/2004 1:42:03 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Good point about the tv series comic not always dealing with the astronauts and Galen. New characters could be introduced and new stories could be developed about previous characters.

Exactly... "Back-stories", new characters, the characters we know in new situations, etc... All of that could be done in the comic format... Not only for the TV series era, but the films timelines too...

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I think Conquest was more violent - not as bloody really as Planet or
Beneath, but more violence was happening and more often.

I really hope we don't see a POTA 2001 sequel with Thade doing "Matrix"
Kung-Fu air kicks!!! ;)

Michael

>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:41:04 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 12/28/2004 4:52:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

If a sequel/prequel/conclusion to the Planet of the Apes movie
series were made today, what rating (G, PG, PG13, R) would it need
to have in order to be successful in your opinion?

PG13 would be fine. It works for the Star Wars films. There really
wasn't
any ultra violence in any of the Apes films, Conquest being the lone
exception. Did we see any really bloody scenes other than Brent getting
killed and Taylor holding his chest? Not really, so PG 13 would work
fine.

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 9:23:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

No - we were lucky.  All the countries that were hit are not really too
far away.

 

Actually now that I think about it, the people that were probably

didn't feel it either, or they would have expected the wave.  Hmm.

 

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:37:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I really hope we don't see a POTA 2001 sequel with Thade doing "Matrix"
Kung-Fu air kicks!!!  ;)

I thought we did. 

Oh that was the

original. Or unoriginal.

 

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In a message dated 12/28/2004 9:48:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Anyone think there's a chance we'll ever see a faithful adapatation of the novel as written?

 

Uhhhh . . . no.  Not word for word, unless it's in French.

The dialogue is too over the top in English.  Nobody talks

like that.

 

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No, that was just a leap in the air tantrum! I am hoping not to see a
direct Matrix effect rip-off like nearly every other movie now days has!
;)

Michael

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> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 3:42:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 12/28/2004 10:37:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

I really hope we don't see a POTA 2001 sequel with Thade doing "Matrix"
Kung-Fu air kicks!!! ;)

I thought we did.
Oh that was the
original. Or unoriginal.

Hey�

 

Who was it here who own a Pancake Restaurant???

 

Do you have a recipe other than the basic 1 cup milk/1 cup Plain Flour/1 egg?  Is there some trick with separating the eggs and whisking the egg whites/folding?

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> When Lucius comes in to get taylor, Julius hesitates when he says

Zira wants the beast.....and wants to see papers from someone that
actually is over him. So J. doesn't work for Zira but for the state
i.e. Zaius...

-- I haven't watched the movie for a long time now but did Lucius
actually mention that Zira wanted Taylor? I thought Lucius just said
something about the anti-vivisectionist group being up in arms and
that he had orders to transfer him to the zoo?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> The last one was aimed at 15 year olds and look what happened!

-- I don't know what kids in general thought about it but I do know
all my kids liked it and they saw it after they had seen the
original (which they all think is cool thankfully!).

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> No, that was just a leap in the air tantrum! I am hoping not to

see a direct Matrix effect rip-off like nearly every other movie now
days has!

-- And weren't the Matrix 'moves' originally ripped off from
countless Hong Kong movies anyway?

Neil

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Who else saw The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou?

I Loved that freaking movie!  It's so wrong it's right!

 

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:41:46 AM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I haven't watched the movie for a long time now but did Lucius
actually mention that Zira wanted Taylor? I thought Lucius just said
something about the anti-vivisectionist group being up in arms and
that he had orders to transfer him to the zoo?

That's correct... Lucius says he's from the Office of Animal Affairs, and as you said above, that the beast is to be transferred to the zoo...

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Am I missing something? I have this new comic through page three,
but can't find the next bit. Didn't you put this up? I am
anxiously awaiting the next installment.

--Helen

OK - just to try to make this somewhat relevant.....I think Wes Anderson
(the guy who wrote and directed The Life Aquatic, and previously
Rushmore and The Royal Tenanbaums) is a genius and would be a groovy
choice for a POTA "remake". Given, it may not be a "serious" attempt,
but his humour is laced with that manic depressive reality that could
just work.

I am dying to see "The Life Aquatic" and "The Brothers Grimm" (Jeff saw
a sneak preview - has it yet been released?) and whatever Richard Kelly
(Donnie Darko) come up with.

T, are you familiar with Wes Anderson's earlier stuff?

Michael

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Who else saw The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou?
I Loved that freaking movie! It's so wrong it's right!

Well it's midnight now - I'm not going to write the next 3 pages till
tomorrow! ;)

You will be waiting a while to see more of "Going Home" Helen. However
"Within" is humming along for your POTA Comic fix......

Michael

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> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:53:21 PM
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Am I missing something? I have this new comic through page three,
but can't find the next bit. Didn't you put this up? I am
anxiously awaiting the next installment.

--Helen









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--

I haven't received mine yet. (Did you mail one to me?) :-S

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
> Who got their comics?
>
> I sent a bunch of them last week!
>
> Michael

Yes it was with the $20,000 cash check!

Michael

>
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> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:58:42 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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I haven't received mine yet. (Did you mail one to me?) :-S

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>
> Who got their comics?
>
> I sent a bunch of them last week!
>
> Michael

.html.html In a message dated 12/29/04 7:58:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK - just to try to make this somewhat relevant.....I think Wes Anderson
(the guy who wrote and directed The Life Aquatic, and previously
Rushmore and The Royal Tenanbaums) is a genius and would be a groovy
choice for a POTA "remake".  Given, it may not be a "serious" attempt,
but his humour is laced with that manic depressive reality that could
just work.

What's manic depressive about POTA?  Anyway, I've read Wes Anderson is a Star Trek fan, never thinks of POTA.

-- Rory<.html <.html

I was saying Wes Anderson's stuff has manic depressive qualities and
I really don't know WHY I said that, just that everything in his
films has an irony that is kinda funny but tragic in reality.

POTA is about as depressing as it gets!

Michael - going to bed after midnight again!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 12/29/04 7:58:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
> > OK - just to try to make this somewhat relevant.....I think Wes
Anderson
> > (the guy who wrote and directed The Life Aquatic, and previously
> > Rushmore and The Royal Tenanbaums) is a genius and would be a
groovy
> > choice for a POTA "remake". Given, it may not be a "serious"
attempt,
> > but his humour is laced with that manic depressive reality that
could
> > just work.
> >
>
> What's manic depressive about POTA? Anyway, I've read Wes
Anderson is a Star
> Trek fan, never thinks of POTA.
>
> -- Rory

Ok then. I'll be waiting at the door when it arrives.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yes it was with the $20,000 cash check!
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@Y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:58:42 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beware the Beast comics.
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
>
> I haven't received mine yet. (Did you mail one to me?) :-S
>
> --Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Who got their comics?
> >
> > I sent a bunch of them last week!
> >
> > Michael

I'm not of the same opinion (or gender) as most of you, apparently,
but I think the "full frontal" stuff is a waste. You guys can get
that elsewhere. I think too many movies are degraded by trying to
include provocative nudity. The original movies all had one thing
in common... they didn't use offensive, immoral, or sexually
explicit stuff to attract viewers. The mating scenes were modest.
Is it possible, even probable, that there were a number of
homosexual people involved in the production of the movie? I think
so. But, even then, it makes little difference. The shock factor
wasn't in the sexual references. It really wasn't in the violence,
either. (Although you twelve year old boys may remember those
things!) They pulled it off without that stuff.

It appears that many of you think that the only shock that would
catch our attention these days is sex and violence. If so, then
POTA can't succeed. Are we intellectually challenged people that
cannot still be stunned by tragic circumstances, unconventional
story lines, "simple" makeups, and twist endings? (Ok, a little CGI
and some modern makeup techniques might not hurt -- maybe.) I think
that it is not only possible, but necessary, for the POTA story-to-
be to be intellectually provocative.

I expect that there would be a bit of Mel Gibson-type gore which
could raise the rating through the roof, but I would hope that would
be limited to a couple of conflicts on the screen. I expect that
there would be some flesh, but sexual references would be suggestive
rather than visual. I would expect that cussing would be kept to
one or two brief moments of intense anxiety, rather than distributed
throughout the film as gratuitous slap-jack.

I want it to receive a rating that challenges parents to think about
the appropriateness of letting their children see it, while still
allowing mature children the privilege of participating in something
that challenges them years later as POTA has challenged many of us.

Peace.

Helen

.html I have to agree with Helen.  Pota is a great story, having an R rating would just detract from the story. Most of the people seeing the movie would be going to fulfill their kinky fantasy, not explore issues like racism, destruction of the environment, man's mistreatment of animals etc. Yes the book has naked humans and supervised mating but we all know that in a movie these would be the main draw for people to see the movie, not the important themes of pota. Elaine<.html

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 6:58:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

T, are you familiar with Wes Anderson's earlier stuff?

 

Yes, and no.  It's not that I haven't seen Rushmore, or the Royal Tenenbaums, or Bottle Rocket for that matter, well one of them.  The second one -- the '96 version.  But its one of those deals where you notice it on cable after it started.  Then you go back and watch the beginning a month later.  He's one of those UT Film Cats like Linklater -- loads of my Austin friends are in Slacker.

 

One of my friends bought a house with the royalty checks from being in that, and I mean a really nice house.  Which is amazing in itself considering just how many people were in it.  There are North Texas film cats as well -- not as well known as say Tobe Hooper of Chainsaw fame.  Shane Carruth who did Primer for example -- not sure if he's a Uni grad.  He might be one of the real estate Carruths. 

 

Not that he has piles of money.  That flick was made on a shoestring, it almost seems like every "no budget" movie, except The Blair Witch Project, was made here.  UT Cat, Robert Rodriguez, did El Mariachi for next to nothing by shooting that one south of the border and standing on a ladder for crane shots.  But now he edits his Spy Kids movies in his basement in Austin.  So not every film made locally is done with no money.  Gods & Monsters and Jimmy Neutron were done here, and a lot of the big studios shoot movies here -- Robocop, JFK and Silkwood are a few that come to mind.  But it took a while. 

 

Way back when, they did Born On The Fourth Of July here and they wanted a shot of a little girl with a sparkler.  The Fire Marshall insisted they have a couple of charged fire hoses standing by.  They were run along side the light cables, and leaking!  They had to string the power cables three feet up the wall to keep them out of the water.  A situation infinitely more dangerous than a single sparkler indoors.  There are loads of early Texas film making stories like that.  On the other hand they were blowing up store fronts and a gas station downtown for Robo-Cop, so . . . It looks like something with the Fire Marshall has been sorted out.

 

But one of my personal faves, The Road Warrior, started as the very low budget, Mad Max! Which almost single handedly jump started the Aussie Film Industry.  Saaaalute!

 

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I would rather have Shane Carruth do POTA than Wes Anderson.  Shane has a very unique grasp of Time-Travel as evidenced by his movie, Primer.  Also he as a very POTAesc creepy style.  The ending of Primer reminded me a lot of the POTA ending.  See it if you get the chance.

 

 

In a message dated 12/29/2004 8:06:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I was saying Wes Anderson's stuff has manic depressive qualities and
I really don't know WHY I said that, just that everything in his
films has an irony that is kinda funny but tragic in reality.

POTA is about as depressing as it gets!

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm not of the same opinion (or gender) as most of you, apparently,
but I think the "full frontal" stuff is a waste.  You guys can get
that elsewhere.  I think too many movies are degraded by trying to
include provocative nudity.

 

It's in the original story and adds to the realism.

It's certainly not gratuitous.  Don't be such a prude.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The original movies all had one thing
in common... they didn't use offensive, immoral, or sexually
explicit stuff to attract viewers.  The mating scenes were modest. 

 

They also had another thing in common.

They were made in the late 60's & early 70's.

30 years ago.  But I've said all this before.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Is it possible, even probable, that there were a number of
homosexual people involved in the production of the movie?

You mean like . . . RODDY MCDOWALL?

I'd say it was a dead cert!  Evans?  Anyone?

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I would expect that cussing would be kept to
one or two brief moments of intense anxiety, rather than distributed
throughout the film as gratuitous slap-jack. 

 

Yeah well, I think that one of the things POTA suffers from is

a lot of the fans saw it when they were 10 years old and are

perpetually stuck at that age.  I think, and I mean this in the

nicest possible way, you should grow up and join me in the

world of adult entertainment.  Not that they should be making

Planet Of The Rapes.  I think that Playmate Of The Apes is

as close, budget allowing, as anyone's ever going to get to that.

But I want something along the lines of The Godfather, or even

Apocalypse Now, or whatever.  Not that it has to be made by

Coppolla or Scorses or the Gangster Guys make it.  But I want

it made with high production values, no punches pulled, and a

serious treatment that a major motion picture deserves.  I

want Academy Awards, and not for Makeup, Costumes or

Special Effects.  I want Best Picture of the Year!  Is that

so much to ask.  I want Best Actor awards in both genders

lead and supporting.  I want Best Screenplay and I want

Best Director and Musical Score.  I want a sweep!  If I can't

have that then how about just a really good, critically acclaimed

movie with excellent boxoffice.  That's all.  What I don't want is

a half-assed flop that made money for the studio, but not

enough to do a sequel, which is what we got.  It may as well

have been a Buena Vista film.  I don't want a repeat of that.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 11:52:34 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I have to agree with Helen.  Pota is a great story, having an R rating would just detract from the story.

 

I have to disagree with the ladies again here.

If they are animals they don't make clothes.

And nudity gets an R.  And Sex Sells.  The

question was what rating would POTA need

to be successful.  Not what you personally

would like to see. I'm just giving you the truth.

And, as usual, most people don't want to

hear it.  Many people believe what they

want, even in the face of evidence to the

contrary.  But we've had our say, and again

no one has been swayed.  End Of Thread.

 

 

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You may be right, LT. But, I think to stay with the feel of the
original (and my opinion of what I think was successful) a PG13
could happen. I wouldn't mind if they made a strong R and sold it
later as the "uncut" version... but I think that they could do it as
a PG13 and be successful.

You are right. I am a prude. I would prefer they do it as a PG for
mild violence, language, and sexual situations.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/29/2004 11:52:34 A.M. Central Standard
Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> I have to agree with Helen. Pota is a great story, having an R
rating would
> just detract from the story.
>
>
>
> I have to disagree with the ladies again here.
> If they are animals they don't make clothes.
> And nudity gets an R. And Sex Sells. The
> question was what rating would POTA need
> to be successful. Not what you personally
> would like to see. I'm just giving you the truth.
> And, as usual, most people don't want to
> hear it. Many people believe what they
> want, even in the face of evidence to the
> contrary. But we've had our say, and again
> no one has been swayed. End Of Thread.

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Sorry for getting so worked up.

It's only and email, It's only an email . . .

I need to take a page from the book of James,

or was it Jeff, who calmly answered the shock

table question.  Some times I blow a fuse in the

face of ignorance, and yet take my own in stride.

It is the human condition in us all, to one degree

or another.  In future I'll try to be more Zen about it.

 

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You may be right, LT.  But, I think to stay with the feel of the
original (and my opinion of what I think was successful) a PG13
could happen.  I wouldn't mind if they made a strong R and sold it
later as the "uncut" version... but I think that they could do it as
a PG13 and be successful.

You are right.  I am a prude.  I would prefer they do it as a PG for
mild violence, language, and sexual situations.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 12/29/2004 11:52:34 A.M. Central Standard
Time, 
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> I have  to agree with Helen.  Pota is a great story, having an R
rating would
>  just detract from the story.
>
>
> 
> I have to disagree with the ladies again here.
> If they are animals they don't make clothes.
> And nudity gets an R.  And Sex Sells.  The
> question was what rating would POTA need
> to be successful.  Not what you personally
> would like to see. I'm just giving you the truth.
> And, as usual, most people don't want to
> hear it.  Many people believe what they
> want, even in the face of evidence to the
> contrary.  But we've had our say, and again
> no one has been swayed.  End Of Thread.

go vegetarian!

It's okay, LT. No problems here. I may be a prude, but I'm a
pretty open-minded prude.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Sorry for getting so worked up.
> It's only and email, It's only an email . . .
> I need to take a page from the book of James,
> or was it Jeff, who calmly answered the shock
> table question. Some times I blow a fuse in the
> face of ignorance, and yet take my own in stride.
> It is the human condition in us all, to one degree
> or another. In future I'll try to be more Zen about it.

You may be right, LT.  But, I think to stay with the feel of the
original (and my opinion of what I think was successful) a PG13
could happen.  I wouldn't mind if they made a strong R and sold it
later as the "uncut" version... but I think that they could do it as
a PG13 and be successful.

You are right.  I am a prude.  I would prefer they do it as a PG for
mild violence, language, and sexual situations.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 12/29/2004 11:52:34 A.M. Central Standard
Time, 
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> I have  to agree with Helen.  Pota is a great story, having an R
rating would
>  just detract from the story.
>
>
> 
> I have to disagree with the ladies again here.
> If they are animals they don't make clothes.
> And nudity gets an R.  And Sex Sells.  The
> question was what rating would POTA need
> to be successful.  Not what you personally
> would like to see. I'm just giving you the truth.
> And, as usual, most people don't want to
> hear it.  Many people believe what they
> want, even in the face of evidence to the
> contrary.  But we've had our say, and again
> no one has been swayed.  End Of Thread.

go vegetarian!

I guess I can deal with the mental images inspired by a story about
naked cartoons.

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> speaking of naked people...
> i vaguely remember that in the novelization of the cartoon, the

humanoids were naked.

>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> You may be right, LT. But, I think to stay with the feel of the
> original (and my opinion of what I think was successful) a PG13
> could happen. I wouldn't mind if they made a strong R and sold it
> later as the "uncut" version... but I think that they could do it

as

> a PG13 and be successful.
>
> You are right. I am a prude. I would prefer they do it as a PG

for

> mild violence, language, and sexual situations.
>
> --Helen
>

LT mentioned it.

--H

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> and with all this talk of nudity...
> i am suprised that no one has mentioned playmate of the apes

(though i have not seen it)

>

.html.html In a message dated 12/29/04 9:06:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

POTA is about as depressing as it gets!

I've never found POTA depressing.  Oh, I was depressed that the sequels or the TV show weren't better, but with the exception of the conclusion of BENEATH (which I only found depressing upon the first viewing), no, I didn't think it was depressing.

What does everyone else think?

-- Rory

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:39:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

You are right.  I am a prude.  I would prefer they do it as a PG for
mild violence, language, and sexual situations.

 

That's cool. Many women are.  Some don't enjoy sex at all.

And some that do have a romanticized version playing

in their heads while the deed is being done.  It's not reality

though.  I think it would be a tough call.  Disney didn't do

Taxi Driver.  Bonnie and Clyde had been made the year before.

Now that I think about it, I saw that when it came out as well.

So POTA wasn't the heaviest thing I'd seen.  But when you're

six you don't really think about ratings.  It's another just a movie. 

I didn't think, Wow Faye Dunaway's boobs!  I was shocked they

killed a woman.  But that's the reality of the story.  It happened.

So I think if you're going to have a movie where you expect the

audience to believe talking monkeys and time-travel you need

as much reality as possible to off set that.  Just my opinion.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:49:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

i am suprised that no one has mentioned playmate of the apes

I did!  Did it not go through?

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:42:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

  Not that they should be making

Planet Of The Rapes.  I think that Playmate Of The Apes is

as close, budget allowing, as anyone's ever going to get to that.

Yep,  Here it is.

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You didn't miss much by not seeing Playmate Of The Apes.

Just imagine a girl-on-girl softcore with bad makeup, bad FX,

and bad jokes, and that's pretty much it.  It's been on cable

a few times.  Just goes to show how low the standards are.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Do the filmmakers ever make two versions of the
same movie when it is first released?  The cleaner version and the
uncut version at the same time?

It's quite common to make a 'regular' release and a TV release where the language or violence in certain scenes is trimmed.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

PG13 would be fine. It works for the Star  Wars films.


No, it doesn't. 

Yes it does. They've still made a billion dollars world wide off the films. They didn't need tons of nudity and violence to bring in an audience. Neither did the Apes films.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:42:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

I really hope we don't see a POTA 2001 sequel with Thade doing "Matrix"
Kung-Fu air kicks!!!  ;)

Well now you blew it. That's the Wachikowski's (possibly the worst filmmakers ever) plan for the Matrix of the Apes!

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I'm not of the same opinion (or gender) as most of you,

apparently,

> but I think the "full frontal" stuff is a waste. You guys can get
> that elsewhere. I think too many movies are degraded by trying to
> include provocative nudity.
>
>
>
> It's in the original story and adds to the realism.
> It's certainly not gratuitous. Don't be such a prude.

Nudity in POTA is probably not necessary, but maybe one of the
marketing tie-ins could be a POTA Playboy spread/ video just to make
everyone happy!

John O.

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 2:56:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

It's quite common to make a 'regular' release and a TV release where the language or violence in certain scenes is trimmed.

 

There ya go!  Wait to watch it on TV, with everything sanitized for you protection.  Nothing to make you fell uncomfortable.  Or . . . buy one of those DVD players that edits out all the nasties.

 

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 2:56:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

Yes it does. They've still made a billion dollars world wide off the films. They didn't need tons of nudity and violence to bring in an audience. Neither did the Apes films.

 

Read the rest of what I wrote.

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:06:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Nudity in POTA is probably not necessary, but maybe one of the
marketing tie-ins could be a POTA Playboy spread/ video just to make
everyone happy!

Trying to make everyone happy makes no one happy.

 

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Just a word of caution.

Alter Ego Comics lost

my pre-order of 6, count 'em,

SIX Months ago, even though

I had an order number and everything

I'll probably reorder with them because

I'm such a cheap bastard, but you might

want to think twice about it before you do.

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"Depressing" as in the downbeat nature of some of the stories. Like
Cornelius and Zira getting killed in ESCAPE, the liberty ending of
Planet, etc. Beneath didn't exactly end in a "happily ever after" way
either. (Granted, at least Milo wasn't killed in Escape so it wasn't a
total downer)

If anything I haven't found Wes Anderson's stories very depressing-
I've seen them all except for the Life Aquatic. Though The Royal
Taunenbaums had a sort've apathetic feel to it, kinda distanced from
emotion in some places, but not so dark.

I don't have any ideas off hand on who'd be a good director for Apes.
I remember hearing how Oliver Stone was attached to the remake before
Burton came along, but I'm half-and-half about Stone's movies.

Mike

> I've never found POTA depressing. Oh, I was depressed that the

sequels or

> the TV show weren't better, but with the exception of the conclusion

of BENEATH

> (which I only found depressing upon the first viewing), no, I didn't

think it

> was depressing.
>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> -- Rory

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:20:36 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Read the rest of what I wrote.

That or go back and read the reviews when they came out.

True they made hundreds of millions of dollars.  They only

lost one hundred million dollars, because the people who

care if it's any good or not only amount to about that much

and they wouldn't be repeat customers even if it was.  So

in a way, you're right.  He was in a no-lose situation.  No,

the next one probably won't have nudity.  Or ultra-violence.

But it will be a very dark chapter, when Skywalker becomes

Vader.  There will probably be a love scene though.  Luke

and Leia got here the same as everyone else did. Just a

long time ago in a galaxy far far away!

 

 

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Anyone here ever heard of the Vincent Gallo movie Brown Bunny? That
movie isn't exactly remembered for it's story line. Apparently some
movies now are going further beyond simple nudity (well, aside from
Caligula and Midnight Cowboy as past examples).

As for nudity in the apes: Sure if there's a naked human on the table
being examined by apes, nudity's not going to be viewed in a glamorous
light there. But aside from that, with all the other things that the
story has to offer, the importance of nudity wouldn't be a major deal
for me. If limiting the nudity sells less tickets, oh well.

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Caligula is one (poor) example - there's an "R" rated and an "X" rated.
>
> As I said, Saturday Night Fever was done in the 70's - I saw it at the
> drive-in cut to pieces.
>
> With modern technology and attitudes to releases such as LOTR, why not
> two versions? The approach in the past was as we saw with Planet -
> adults to the movies, kids get the TV Show and younger kids get the
> cartoon. Why risk all those mediums when you can take the same movie,
> release a version for kids 12 - 15, a juicier version for 18 and over
> and the another version with extra scenes for DVD?
>
> No, they don't quite do what I am suggesting yet but I don't see why
> not!
>
> Michael

Everything gets through here T, this is not a moderated group.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:06:57 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 1:49:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brindlepit2002@... writes:

i am suprised that no one has mentioned playmate of the apes

I did! Did it not go through?

At first, I saw this strip of "just" Ursus sitting there reading the
scroll, but when the strip is done and it is read from the
beginning, I think this pause will be very effective in the story.

And... I speculate that in the next strip someone will say
something ;) and the location in the story will have changed -
perhaps back to the chimps. Of course that's speculation on the
flow, not the story.

John O.

Yeah, it's been mentioned and it is rubbish.

One thing I really DON'T want to explore on this group in inter-species
mating.

Then we would think people are accurate if they claim to be a monkey's
uncle!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:50:54 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

LT mentioned it.

--H

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> and with all this talk of nudity...
> i am suprised that no one has mentioned playmate of the apes

(though i have not seen it)

.html.html In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:25:32 PM Central Standard Time, doctahoot@... writes:

(Granted, at least Milo wasn't killed in Escape so it wasn't a
total downer)

He wasn't killed? What do you call the Gorilla strangling/choking him to death?!

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In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:25:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

He wasn't killed? What do you call the Gorilla strangling/choking him to death?!

 

I think that was supposed to mean the baby, not the namesake.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/2004 10:45:11 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think that was supposed to mean the baby, not the namesake.

I thought about that after the fact... But you know, he should have specified!!!<.html <.html

That's a fairly poor effort.

Thanks for the heads up on them T.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:23:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Just a word of caution.
Alter Ego Comics lost
my pre-order of 6, count 'em,
SIX Months ago, even though
I had an order number and everything
I'll probably reorder with them because
I'm such a cheap bastard, but you might
want to think twice about it before you do.

Yeah, I "discovered" him when I watches "Royal Tenanbaums" on DVD.
Loved it.

Looking forward to seeing "the Life Aquatic" on the BIG screen!

Is it doing good box office?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:05:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Wes Anderson's films (somewhat OT).
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/29/2004 6:58:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

T, are you familiar with Wes Anderson's earlier stuff?



Yes, and no. It's not that I haven't seen Rushmore, or the Royal
Tenenbaums, or Bottle Rocket for that matter, well one of them. The
second
one -- the '96 version. But its one of those deals where you notice it
on
cable after it started. Then you go back and watch the beginning a
month
later. He's one of those UT Film Cats like Linklater -- loads of my
Austin
friends are in Slacker.

One of my friends bought a house with the royalty checks from being in
that,
and I mean a really nice house. Which is amazing in itself considering
just
how many people were in it. There are North Texas film cats as well --
not
as well known as say Tobe Hooper of Chainsaw fame. Shane Carruth who
did
Primer for example -- not sure if he's a Uni grad. He might be one of
the
real estate Carruths.

Not that he has piles of money. That flick was made on a shoestring, it
almost seems like every "no budget" movie, except The Blair Witch
Project,
was made here. UT Cat, Robert Rodriguez, did El Mariachi for next to
nothing by shooting that one south of the border and standing on a
ladder
for crane shots. But now he edits his Spy Kids movies in his basement
in
Austin. So not every film made locally is done with no money. Gods &
Monsters and Jimmy Neutron were done here, and a lot of the big studios
shoot movies here -- Robocop, JFK and Silkwood are a few that come to
mind.
But it took a while.

Way back when, they did Born On The Fourth Of July here and they wanted
a
shot of a little girl with a sparkler. The Fire Marshall insisted they
have
a couple of charged fire hoses standing by. They were run along side
the
light cables, and leaking! They had to string the power cables three
feet
up the wall to keep them out of the water. A situation infinitely more
dangerous than a single sparkler indoors. There are loads of early
Texas
film making stories like that. On the other hand they were blowing up
store
fronts and a gas station downtown for Robo-Cop, so . . . It looks like
something with the Fire Marshall has been sorted out.

But one of my personal faves, The Road Warrior, started as the very low
budget, Mad Max! Which almost single handedly jump started the Aussie
Film
Industry. Saaaalute!

I have not seen this - I'll keep an eye out!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:12:13 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Manic Depressive
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I would rather have Shane Carruth do POTA than Wes Anderson. Shane has
a
very unique grasp of Time-Travel as evidenced by his movie, Primer.
Also he
as a very POTAesc creepy style. The ending of Primer reminded me a lot
of
the POTA ending. See it if you get the chance.


In a message dated 12/29/2004 8:06:21 A.M. Central Standard Time,
Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I was saying Wes Anderson's stuff has manic depressive qualities and
I really don't know WHY I said that, just that everything in his
films has an irony that is kinda funny but tragic in reality.

POTA is about as depressing as it gets!







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--

Yeah - I did mean depressing as in the downbeat nature. And I guess I
think Wes Anderson's stuff often looks at the funny side of depressing,
dark things.

I'd love to see what he would do, and I'd love to see what Gilliam would
do, and I'd REALLY like to see what Tarrantino would do.

Oh, and Peter Jackson! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Mike[SMTP:DOCTAHOOT@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:24:37 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Manic Depressive
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

"Depressing" as in the downbeat nature of some of the stories. Like
Cornelius and Zira getting killed in ESCAPE, the liberty ending of
Planet, etc. Beneath didn't exactly end in a "happily ever after" way
either. (Granted, at least Milo wasn't killed in Escape so it wasn't a
total downer)

If anything I haven't found Wes Anderson's stories very depressing-
I've seen them all except for the Life Aquatic. Though The Royal
Taunenbaums had a sort've apathetic feel to it, kinda distanced from
emotion in some places, but not so dark.

I don't have any ideas off hand on who'd be a good director for Apes.
I remember hearing how Oliver Stone was attached to the remake before
Burton came along, but I'm half-and-half about Stone's movies.

Mike

> I've never found POTA depressing. Oh, I was depressed that the

sequels or

> the TV show weren't better, but with the exception of the conclusion

of BENEATH

> (which I only found depressing upon the first viewing), no, I didn't

think it

> was depressing.
>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> -- Rory

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 12:56:47 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Looking forward to seeing "the Life Aquatic" on the BIG screen!

Is it doing good box office?

 

Not as good as it should.

I loved everything about that film.

I'd say more, but you have to see it.

 

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:01:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I have not seen this - I'll keep an eye out!

 

Good luck!  It may be a while.  Even though it won Sundance

it's not in wide release.  I think part of the reason is due to it

being so convoluted.  People either love or hate this film.  And

one of the reasons why is it's so hard to follow.  But it makes

no apologies for that either.  You should read some of the

user comments on the imdb.  They either sing it's praises

or rip it to shreds.  I can see both sides of the argument too.

If I had to review it I wouldn't know which to do myself.  I want

to watch it a few more times, but no DVD is available as yet.

It's definitely a head scratcher.  If you could travel in time,

what would you do?  And would there then be two of you?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:

> and with all this talk of nudity... i am suprised that no one has

mentioned playmate of the apes (though i have not seen it)

-- And I'm suprised no one has asked for the next chapter of Monkey
Planet yet. ;-)

Neil

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:07:24 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Yeah - I did mean depressing as in the downbeat nature.  And I guess I
think Wes Anderson's stuff often looks at the funny side of depressing,
dark things.

Peter Jackson eh?  He was singing the praises of The Golden Age

Of Broadway at the premier in the extras on the DVD, but for me,

it needed more Kim Hunter.  Oh yeah, and Jerry Orbach has joined

the Dead List on that picture.  Just yesterday in fact.  But back

to what I was going to say  . . .  The Life Aquatic isn't really

depressing.  It's more of a Bitter Sweet comedy.

 

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:54:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- And I'm suprised no one has asked for the next chapter of Monkey
Planet yet. ;-)

 

Then I'll ask now.

 

Where is it?

 

Oh!  I was thinking of Within.

 

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I only just heard yesterday he had prostate cancer but was beating it.

This is really bad news.

Michael

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:07:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Yeah - I did mean depressing as in the downbeat nature. And I guess I
think Wes Anderson's stuff often looks at the funny side of depressing,
dark things.

Peter Jackson eh? He was singing the praises of The Golden Age
Of Broadway at the premier in the extras on the DVD, but for me,
it needed more Kim Hunter. Oh yeah, and Jerry Orbach has joined
the Dead List on that picture. Just yesterday in fact. But back
to what I was going to say . . . The Life Aquatic isn't really
depressing. It's more of a Bitter Sweet comedy.