Don't forget Neil has been illustrating Monkey Planet as we post the
chapters!

I'll look for the next Chapter - is it Chapter 4 we are on now?

Michael

> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 6:58:34 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 1:54:14 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

-- And I'm suprised no one has asked for the next chapter of Monkey
Planet yet. ;-)


Then I'll ask now.

Where is it?

Oh! I was thinking of Within.

Have you been spying, jspy? ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: John O.[SMTP:JSPY@...]
> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 11:47:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Within chapter 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

At first, I saw this strip of "just" Ursus sitting there reading the
scroll, but when the strip is done and it is read from the
beginning, I think this pause will be very effective in the story.

And... I speculate that in the next strip someone will say
something ;) and the location in the story will have changed -
perhaps back to the chimps. Of course that's speculation on the
flow, not the story.

John O.

That's a good point. How DO they rate these things? I would prefer
my kids watch a gory R than a PG13 (although I would watch either
one first -- or at least with -- the kids).


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

>
> something i dont think has been addressed:
>
> an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that the movie is "adult"
>
> and likewise, the g rating does not always mean that the movie is

childish

>
> consider the difference between the first adn last apes movies
>

What? That's not very prudish, Helen! Maybe I didn't get the
context of the statement.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> I would prefer my kids watch a gory R than a PG13

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 10:14:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

That's a good point.  How DO they rate these things?

I would prefer my kids watch a gory R than a PG13

 

Why is that?  Just because PG13 movies usually suck?

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That's very true RobRon,

However often a particular rating is sought and the movie is moulded on
that.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ron kenner[SMTP:BRINDLEPIT2002@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:23:22 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

something i dont think has been addressed:

an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that the movie is "adult"

and likewise, the g rating does not always mean that the movie is
childish

consider the difference between the first adn last apes movies

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In between,

 

"That Brighteyes is remarkable."

 

and

 

"He keeps trying to form words."

 

You can clearly see a hairpin in Zira's hair.

A blooper?  Or was Ape civilization so

advanced as to have coiffure technology?

<.html

I hadn't noticed this T - I'd better go back and have a look!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In between,
>
> "That Brighteyes is remarkable."
>
> and
>
> "He keeps trying to form words."
>
> You can clearly see a hairpin in Zira's hair. A blooper? Or was
Ape civilization so advanced as to have coiffure technology?

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 3:57:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

is this only visible on DVD version?

 

Isn't DVD wonderful?

HD-TV is so natural it almost

looks 3-D they say.  In fact

there's now a list of who looks

better in HD and who looks worse.

 

The HDTV List

<.html

Don't know if anyone has brought this up yet (I'm 142
emails behind!) but many times when filming a scene
that would get them an R rating they will do an
alternate take that can be substituted for airplanes
and network TV...
Tim

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> I totally agree with you here T but I also don't see
> why they can't
> intelligently deliver to BOTH audiences.
>
> I wouldn't go as far as CALIGULA did, that's just
> unnecessary. However
> there could easily be a version for adults released
> in the cinemas and a
> cleverly edited version for DVD release, vice-versa
> or even two
> cinematic releases. Why not?
>
> Yes, more realism with completely naked humans and
> they can even
> cleverly photograph that (eg NYPD Blue love scenes)
> to get the
> appropriate ratings. Yes, more violence but those
> scenes again could be
> cut for the kiddies and again no need for senseless
> gore - just realism.
>
> Michael
>
>
> >
> > ----------
> > From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 10:27:27 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Ratings question?
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> What I'm say is not what those movies would be rated
> today.
> The question was if a sequel/conclusion were made,
> what
> rating would it need to be successful.
>
> And the answer is to be successful today, the
> bare-assed
> stuff or Taylor slapping his throat with a blood
> pack isn't
> going to cut it. In the book the humans didn't have
> clothes.
> Nova with full-frontal nudity is what I'm talking
> about. The
> supervised mating scene should be in there too. You
> can
> Disneify Apes enough to get a PG rating -- Burton
> proved
> that. But why? It doesn't make it a better film.
> Are you
> going to lose a percentage of box office receipts by
>
> excluding the kids? Yes. But that's a tiny
> fraction when
> you take into account PPV and DVD rentals and sales.
> That's where it going to make it money. Make a
> better
> POTA if you want it successful. Don't cheat the
> audience.
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

-yes you are right...my bad.... I hope LordT doesn't
berate me!
Tim

-- mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/29/2004 12:41:46 AM Central
> Standard Time,
> nfoster@... writes:
>
> > -- I haven't watched the movie for a long time now
> but did Lucius
> > actually mention that Zira wanted Taylor? I
> thought Lucius just said
> > something about the anti-vivisectionist group
> being up in arms and
> > that he had orders to transfer him to the zoo?
>
> That's correct... Lucius says he's from the Office
> of Animal Affairs, and as
> you said above, that the beast is to be transferred
> to the zoo...
>

__________________________________

-there is a difference between nudity and sex. If the
French made the movie they wouldn't bat an eye at all
the humans being naked.....America is way too hung up
about nudity...

Tim

-- LordTZer0@... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 12/29/2004 4:06:03 P.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> jspy@... writes:
>
> Nudity in POTA is probably not necessary, but maybe
> one of the
> marketing tie-ins could be a POTA Playboy spread/
> video just to make
> everyone happy!
>
>
>
> Trying to make everyone happy makes no one happy.
>
>

__________________________________

--For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to kids
but any hint of a love scene and people freak
out......

Tim

- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> That's a good point. How DO they rate these things?
> I would prefer
> my kids watch a gory R than a PG13 (although I would
> watch either
> one first -- or at least with -- the kids).
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner
> <brindlepit2002@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > something i dont think has been addressed:
> >
> > an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that the
> movie is "adult"
> >
> > and likewise, the g rating does not always mean
> that the movie is
> childish
> >
> > consider the difference between the first adn last
> apes movies
> >
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

.html.html In a message dated 12/30/04 7:05:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

-there is  a difference between nudity and sex. If the
French made the movie they wouldn't bat an eye at all
the humans being naked.....America is way too hung up
about nudity...

Tim

Absolutely!  If I made a film of Boulle's novel the humans would be naked, and I'd show the scene of them mating in the cages!

However, I would be willing to release an edited version for theatres and have the unexpurgated version for DVD!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 2:09:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

You didn't miss much by not seeing Playmate Of The Apes.

Shit. Time of the Apes on MST3000 was better than that crap.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

<.html

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:49:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

-yes you are right...my bad.... I hope LordT doesn't
berate me!

 

I'm I that bad?

Well, maybe.

I'll try to tone it down.

I do hope people will at least

try to check their facts before

posting.  You know . . . Do

a Google search or check

the DVD or something before

going off half-cocked.

 

<.html

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

-there is  a difference between nudity and sex. If the
French made the movie they wouldn't bat an eye at all
the humans being naked.....America is way too hung up
about nudity...

 

We are in the 21st Century.

At least the last time I checked

a calendar.  Though the times

they are a changin', as the Dylan

song goes -- sometimes they don't

seem to be changing fast enough.

And where's my Flying Car anyway?

 

 

<.html

I'm naked now!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Tim "apefan"[SMTP:APEFAN23@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:04:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

-there is a difference between nudity and sex. If the
French made the movie they wouldn't bat an eye at all
the humans being naked.....America is way too hung up
about nudity...

Tim

I understand your point of view T but this is a chat group and the last
thing I want is people getting paranoid that people might tell them to
go research before they chat.

That's what the rest of us are here for - to chat and discuss.

Even the (seemingly) most stupid question can generate great debate -
and how do I know if it is a silly question to ask?

Just ask away people.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:33:25 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Zira's thoughts on Gorillas
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 5:49:15 P.M. Central Standard Time,
apefan23@... writes:

-yes you are right...my bad.... I hope LordT doesn't
berate me!


I'm I that bad? Well, maybe. I'll try to tone it down. I do hope people
will at least try to check their facts before posting. You know . . .
Do a Google search or check the DVD or something before going off
half-cocked.

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:42:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I'm naked now!

 

Ahhh! 

My mind's eye is blind!

 

<.html

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Never mind - I am sending a photo to Neil to draw!

Michael (still naked)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:42:56 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> I'm naked now!
>
>
>
> Ahhh!
> My mind's eye is blind!

.html.html In a message dated 12/30/04 7:21:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

--For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to kids
but any hint of a love scene and people freak
out......

Tim

That would be because too many Americans are provincial BOOBS!<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Ahhh! My mind's eye is blind!

-- It's all right for you T, I have actually seen him (though not
naked thankfully!!!) and I have a great imagination for visualising
things. I really don't feel very well now! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Never mind - I am sending a photo to Neil to draw!
> Michael (still naked)

-- Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way we have moved and you no longer know my address and I am
also blocking all your emails!

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 12/30/04 8:05:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Ahhh!  My mind's eye is blind!

-- It's all right for you T, I have actually seen him (though not
naked thankfully!!!) and I have a great imagination for visualising
things. I really don't feel very well now! ;-)

Neil

Oh my God!  A shaved Whitty-O-Tang!<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Neil Great Home Page picture!
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAdg/

-- Ta very much. I love doing things for this group!

Neil

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:45:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Just ask away

Okay, but I'm going to think of

the silliest questions I can.  Don't

be surprised if I come up with my

own Mothership Theory.  If fact . . .

Here's one!  There was no Doctor

Milo.  He did not exist.  When the

Earth was destroyed everyone on

Earth was destroyed with it.  And

Z & C and the ship were just future

echoes of themselves.

<.html

Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue 11 is now available for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

It's this way to me. The gore is makeup, the flesh is flesh. And
when some kid is out there in the buff, then that kid is being paid
to be out there in the buff. I do't like it. That's all. And I
would rather have my kids going "ick" about the blood in Patriot
than to be googling over some unnecessary "love-making" scene --
athough even worse in POTA it would be a violent sex act at best...

Nope. Flesh is one thing. Sex is definitely another. And slimy
makeup that represents blood is yet another -- even when it looks
real.

My opinion...

--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> --For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
> thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to kids
> but any hint of a love scene and people freak
> out......
>
> Tim
>
> - ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > That's a good point. How DO they rate these things?
> > I would prefer
> > my kids watch a gory R than a PG13 (although I would
> > watch either
> > one first -- or at least with -- the kids).
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner
> > <brindlepit2002@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > something i dont think has been addressed:
> > >
> > > an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that the
> > movie is "adult"
> > >
> > > and likewise, the g rating does not always mean
> > that the movie is
> > childish
> > >
> > > consider the difference between the first adn last
> > apes movies
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________

Neil

 

Great Home Page picture!

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/POTAdg/

Michael

Yeah - but you had to TRY to be silly and to most of us it just comes
NATURALLY!! ;)

Michael

> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:49:20 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] T's thoughts on Gorillas
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/30/2004 6:45:41 P.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Just ask away

Okay, but I'm going to think of the silliest questions I can. Don't be
surprised if I come up with my own Mothership Theory. If fact . . .
Here's one! There was no Doctor Milo. He did not exist. When the
Earth was destroyed everyone on Earth was destroyed with it. And Z & C
and the ship were just future echoes of themselves.

All shall eventually be revealed!

Gee Greg, you really have your thinking cap on!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:44:13 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

I agree. Nice picture, Neil. Has a MAD Magazine feel to it.

Also, thanks for the last two Within strips. I'm still playing catch-up
after being away from the PC for several days over Christmas, and I was
thrilled to see not one but two new Within strips. It does feel,
however,
that we've missed a part of the story, which is how Marcus found out
about
the contents of the time capsule that Dr. Garvon found. Surely Dr.
Garvon
didn't just bring the contents to the nearest gorilla garrison? Was
there a
spy on the expedition?

The scroll contains a written report on the (as yet unconfirmed)
information.

Yes, it was just and excuse to include a cool looking SCROLL - OK?!?!?
;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:44:13 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Looking back, in strip 10 when Marcus enter's Ursus' office he says he's
heard rumors of a discovery that may help with Ursus' proposal for an
army.
But in strip 15 Marcus is handing Ursus a scroll. Is this scroll a
written
report of the 'rumors' that Marcus 'heard'? If it's a written report
from a
spy or a garrison commander, wouldn't it be considered more than just a
rumour?

No, it's related (but thanks for the option there!).

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:44:13 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Of course, this could be a big fake-out on the part of the writer.
Marcus
may very well not be talking about Dr. Garvon's discovery, but something
totally different and it will only be later that these two parts of the
story will interesect.

I think Neil will share Chapter 17 of Within tomorrow.

Typically, I was thrilled to see it and I love the atmosphere it
creates....

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:44:13 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Finally, I'd love to see the next Monkey Planet chapter illustration,
but
not if it's going to delay the next Within strip or more Going Home
pages.

Greg P.

OK - I have put on a T shirt and some boxers.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:06:14 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Never mind - I am sending a photo to Neil to draw!
> Michael (still naked)

-- Noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

By the way we have moved and you no longer know my address and I am
also blocking all your emails!

Neil

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 8:20:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I would rather have my kids going "ick" about the blood in Patriot
than to be googling over some unnecessary "love-making" scene --
athough even worse in POTA it would be a violent sex act at best...

 

That makes no sense at all.

I hate to say it, but it's very American.

What ever happened to make love, not war.

<.html

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 9:59:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Yeah - but you had to TRY to be silly and to most of us it just comes
NATURALLY!!  ;)

 

I wasn't being silly.

Makes more sense than a genius chimp

salvaged a sunken spaceship.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> I think Neil will share Chapter 17 of Within tomorrow.

-- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue 11 is now available for

download:

> http://www.goatley.com/pota/

-- Thanks (again) Greg & Hunter.

Neil

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 12:08:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D

Neil

 

It's tomorrow here already!

Is it's yesterday there yet?

Or day after tomorrow?

 

Oh well, Happy New Year!!!

 

<.html

Not much thought went into that did it! But the resurrected the
franchise - PRAISE THE LAWGIVER!!!!

Michael

> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] T's thoughts on Gorillas

I wasn't being silly. Makes more sense than a genius chimp salvaged a
sunken spaceship.

In a message dated 12/30/2004 9:59:47 P.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Yeah - but you had to TRY to be silly and to most of us it just comes
NATURALLY!! ;)

I second that. It really is fun re-reading these and do I recall some
of the UK comics actually contain panels that were passed over in the US
mags?

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:10:31 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK #11 now available
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue 11 is now available for

download:

> http://www.goatley.com/pota/ < http://www.goatley.com/pota/>

-- Thanks (again) Greg & Hunter.

Right now it is 8 pm New Year's Eve here. I think it is 16 hours prior
in the US.

Happy 2005 to all - hope it is a great year for you!

Michael

> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:16:18 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and

16

> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/31/2004 12:08:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

-- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D

Neil

It's tomorrow here already! Is it's yesterday there yet? Or day after
tomorrow?

Oh well, Happy New Year!!!

.html.html In a message dated 12/30/04 11:18:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

OK - I have put on a T shirt and some boxers.

Michael

Last week Michael Whitty jumped from a cliff in Australia into the Indian Ocean and the next thing you know...

TSUNAMI!!!!!!<.html <.html

Hey, I've lost 30kg in the last 4 months Rory!

I went from morbidly obese to obese.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Haristas@...[SMTP:HARISTAS@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 10:45:38 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Ratings question?
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 12/30/04 11:18:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:




OK - I have put on a T shirt and some boxers.

Michael




Last week Michael Whitty jumped from a cliff in Australia into the
Indian
Ocean and the next thing you know...

TSUNAMI!!!!!!

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/04 7:07:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey, I've lost 30kg in the last 4 months Rory!

I went from morbidly obese to obese.

Michael

Now if you could just move up from obtuse!  :D

-- Rory<.html <.html

Happy New Year, Michael and Neil and Stephen and the rest of you
Australians!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Right now it is 8 pm New Year's Eve here. I think it is 16 hours
prior
> in the US.
>
> Happy 2005 to all - hope it is a great year for you!
>
> Michael
>
> > From: LordTZer0@A...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@A...]
> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 5:16:18 PM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Home Page Picture, Within strips 15
and
> 16
> > Auto forwarded by a Rule
> >
> In a message dated 12/31/2004 12:08:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@h... writes:
>
> -- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
> may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D
>
> Neil
>
> It's tomorrow here already! Is it's yesterday there yet? Or day
after
> tomorrow?
>
> Oh well, Happy New Year!!!

Well, then, it does make sense. I am an American!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/30/2004 8:20:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I would rather have my kids going "ick" about the blood in
Patriot
> than to be googling over some unnecessary "love-making" scene --
> athough even worse in POTA it would be a violent sex act at
best...
>
>
>
>
>
> That makes no sense at all.
> I hate to say it, but it's very American.
> What ever happened to make love, not war.

The scroll contains a written report on the (as yet unconfirmed)
information.

Yes, it was just and excuse to include a cool looking SCROLL - OK?!?!?
;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Happy New Year, Michael and Neil and Stephen and the rest of you

Australians!

-- Thank you Helen from us ENGLISH people living in Australia and
the rest who are actually native to this country. Not long to go
now, about 35 minutes.

Happy New Year everyone!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" wrote:
> I think Neil will share Chapter 17 of Within tomorrow.

-- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D

Neil

I second that. It really is fun re-reading these and do I recall some
of the UK comics actually contain panels that were passed over in the US
mags?

Michael

Brilliant!

Hey Greg! How much does Neil pay you? I LOVE your commentaries!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Oooh, Dr. Garvon's up to something. I bet he's about to go on the
run with the items from the time capsule, and then we'll have a big
chase, with Neil going nuts breaking panel borders and such.
>
> It really looks like Garvon's assistant is a young Cornelius here,
although I'm still not 100% convinced. If this takes place prior to
Planet then he shouldn't be aware yet than Man once ruled over Apes,
but clearly in strip 7 he saw the book from the time capsule.
>
> Greg P.
>
> Neil <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" wrote:
> > I think Neil will share Chapter 17 of Within tomorrow.
>
> -- I thought I'd better go ahead and do it now. You never know, I
> may be in no state to do anything tomorrow! ;-D
>
> Neil

Yes. Quite. And those that may want to know when Neil will be
celebrating the New Year, you may go to:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ . (7 1/2 hours to go, Neil!)

Happy New Year!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Happy New Year, Michael and Neil and Stephen and the rest of
you
> Australians!
>
> -- Thank you Helen from us ENGLISH people living in Australia and
> the rest who are actually native to this country. Not long to go
> now, about 35 minutes.
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
> Neil

.html I think the female apes on pota would have hair ornaments, it doesn't have much to do with how advanced their society is. I think even most primitive cultures had hair ornaments. Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Who got their comics?
>
> I sent a bunch of them last week!
>
> Michael

*** I got my two issues of "BEWARE THE BEAST" yesterday.

And let me say...

"Sweet...!"

I especially like the extra stuff that hasn't been seen in any of the
online BTB pages. I get the impression -- whether it's intended or
not, I don't know -- that the tribe of humans who relentlessly go
after Gideon do so because... maybe?... because some Mutant like the
Negro in "BENEATH" has his eyes closed and is compelling them like a
psychic puppetmaster.

"We get our enemies to kill each other."

I also like the stuff where Gideon sees the "scarecrows" and has to
make a decision about whether to break "one of the most ancient of
laws" -- to go where it is "forbidden" to go. He seems "driven" to do
so, in order to finish killing the human he shot with his rifle. I
like the line: 'Never has there been a 'one that got away'... and
he'll be DAMNED if he's going to let this one be his first.' His urge
to kill the human overcomes his societal conditioning, his religious
duty -- "he'll be DAMNED". Why else would he be willing to risk
disobeying the prophet, the Apes' Lawgiver? Is there some Mutant
compelling him via mind-control to continue after the human? Perhaps
not as blatantly as happened with Brent and Taylor, when they were
compelled to fight each other -- and when Brent was compelled to
drown Nova in the fountain, or choke-and-kiss her to death. But
perhaps just enough to loosen up Gideon's inhibitions that nth
degree... to push him over the threshold...?

I also liked the pencil sketches on the last pages of each issue.
Nice touch.

One thing (a little thing, I'm just quibbling here): it could've used
some pagination (i.e. page numbers). I'm sure it was just an
oversight. The online pages had page numbers, but they ain't on the
printed version's pages. Why?

But that's just a quibble, pay it no heed. In my opinion, this little
2-issue gem is the best thing to happen to POTA in a long while. And
that includes Burton's movie. This is better. It's "classic" POTA,
and the "production values" are top-notch. Neil, my hat's off to you.
You're the best thing since Ploog! None of the POTA comics since the
old Marvel days has even come close in quality -- and, in fact, you
outshine several of the artists that Marvel had, in my opinion (I'm
thinking here of Herb Trimpe and a few others...). My favorite comic
book artist is Paul Gulacy -- I dig his "realistic" style of drawing.
His Shang-Chi looked like Bruce Lee. Your POTA humans have the "look"
of the humans in "PLANET" and "BENEATH", and you've gone out of your
way to make the ANSA ship look how it should, rather than the way
they ended up looking in Marvel's adaptations.

Dave, even though this is really just a 'vignette', it's a well-
realized one; sure, you have to know the POTA movies to "get" what
this is about, but that's a given. I like that it's a brutal story --
it doesn't sugar-coat anything; like when Gideon's about to commit
infanticide, bashing a baby's head in with a rock: THAT is a horrific
notion... and, in the context of the POTA setting, an imminently
realistic one. Just out of curiosity, is there a prose version of
this illustrated story? I know you've written other POTA fanfics, but
is there a version of this one written up, with (perhaps) some
details that were "edited" out for the sake of economy in regards to
this illustrated format?

One quick question: the three Ape-onauts seem to be seated with Zira
in the port-side chair, to the left of both male chimps; Which of
those two is Cornelius, and which is Milo? Would Milo be the one in
the middle (presumably the Command position, like Virdon in the TV
series ship)? Or would they seat the newlyweds next to each other?
For the purposes of my own POTA project, I've wondered which ape was
seated in which seat -- you can't tell from the extant screenshots,
since the spacesuit helmets are purposely too dark.

Nuff said! Great job, guys! You, too, Mike! I don't know what you did
as Editor of this project (did you edit anything out???), but it
turned out beeyooteefulleeeee!

Patrick

.html No pictures, Michael? Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/29/04 9:06:37 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
> > POTA is about as depressing as it gets!
> >
>
> I've never found POTA depressing. Oh, I was depressed that the

sequels or the TV show weren't better, but with the exception of the
conclusion of BENEATH (which I only found depressing upon the first
viewing), no, I didn't think it was depressing.

>
> What does everyone else think?
>
> -- Rory

*** Here's what I think. I think that the down-beat endings
of "PLANET" and "BENEATH" were the appropriate one-two punch-in-the-
gut that the human race needed (then) and still needs (now) regarding
that amorphous "thing" usually called HUMAN NATURE.

We humans achieved the ability to destroy our own world in the 1960s.
Oh, we had nukes in the late 40's and had plenty of bombers at Air
Force bases to "deliver" them to their targets... but it wasn't until
the 60's that so damned MANY nukes had been built -- to the point
where we could've wiped out every living thing on our planet ten
times over -- with the ICBM's to do so at the mere push-of-a-button.

In 1968, a sizable percentage of people actually believed that there
WOULD be a nuke war in their lifetimes. As paranoid as a lotta people
are regarding Terrorism attacks post-911, the notion that the entire
PLANET would become a radioactive graveyard makes it pale into
insignificance.

"PLANET" depicted a 20th Century man discovering -- 20 centuries
after-the-fact -- that his own species had done the unthinkable-yet-
anticipated deed: Nuclear War. Taylor doesn't use the "n"-word
("nuclear"), but he doesn't HAVE to: he says, "You BLEW IT UP!" and
we KNOW what he means by that.

And "BENEATH" shows an even worse outcome. Not just the destruction
of a technologically sophisticated civilization (ours), but the
annihilation of the entire WORLD.

Those two films were, in essence, the human race looking itself in
the mirror and seeing all the ugly things that are a part of us.
Our "human nature". But rather than try to mask over that ugliness,
as the Mutants do, we need to see our own inner ugliness -- so that
we might CHANGE our very natures. Otherwise, we'll end up as a
failure of galactic proportions.

Imagine that intelligent life evolves on less than one planet in a
billion: that's STILL about a million worlds in our galaxy alone. And
every species will have had to evolve from a savage beginning,
overcoming its ancestral savagery -- it's "monster-from-the-Id",
from "FORBIDDEN PLANET". Those beings which "make it" into a
spacefaring phase, where they are no longer trapped on a single
homeworld, will be those who overcame their tendency to destroy
themselves.

In a time when we were on the verge of doing just that, during a so-
called "cold" war, Hollywood gave us two movies that showed us at our
worst. At our ugliest. At our TRUEST.

We have to beautify ourselves. Not mask it over with a false front,
as the Mutants do (so that they can continue to worship the Bomb that
will ultimately destroy them and everything else). We have to
transform ourselves. Somehow. Make ourselves genuinely beautiful --
from the standpoint of the galactic beings who, perhaps, have already
succeeded at their own struggle against their "inner beast". If we
don't manage to do this, we'll probably be quarantined here on Earth,
like in "THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL" -- prevented from extending
our reach beyond the horizons of our own little world.

"STAR TREK" attempted to show us -- or, our descendants -- the way we
would LIKE to imagine we'll turn out. "PLANET OF THE APES" shows us
more as how we really are.

We're intelligent savages. We're mutants. We're harbingers of death.
Yet... we can become something much better than that. As Taylor hopes
when he says, "... you who are reading me now..." -- in the Earth-
Time year 2673 -- "... are a DIFFERENT BREED... I hope a BETTER one."

We're not hopeless. And we NEED to see an imagined version of
ourselves as FAILURES in order for us to further our resolve to NOT
wind up that way. That's what the POTA saga does for us.

Well, for ME, at any rate.

Patrick

One thing (a little thing, I'm just quibbling here): it could've used
some pagination (i.e. page numbers). I'm sure it was just an
oversight. The online pages had page numbers, but they ain't on the
printed version's pages. Why?

Dave, even though this is really just a 'vignette', it's a well-
realized one; sure, you have to know the POTA movies to "get" what
this is about, but that's a given. I like that it's a brutal story --
it doesn't sugar-coat anything; like when Gideon's about to commit
infanticide, bashing a baby's head in with a rock: THAT is a horrific
notion... and, in the context of the POTA setting, an imminently
realistic one. Just out of curiosity, is there a prose version of
this illustrated story? I know you've written other POTA fanfics, but
is there a version of this one written up, with (perhaps) some
details that were "edited" out for the sake of economy in regards to
this illustrated format?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> So I think if you're going to have a movie where you expect the
> audience to believe talking monkeys and time-travel you need
> as much reality as possible to off set that. Just my opinion.

*** I whole-heartedly agree. There's nudity in "SCHINDLER'S LIST",
but it's not gratuitous -- it depicts humans as if they were herds of
cattle, when the Nazis were inspecting them prior to their being
herded into the camps. A similar de-sexualized portrayal of ANIMALS
who happen to be humans -- like the "yahoo" creatures in the 4th
voyage of Lemuel Gulliver -- is exactly what a modern POTA movie
would need. It wouldn't be pornographic. It'd be like a National
Geographic portrayal.

Back in 68, they had no choice but to go for the "loincloth" look.
But nowadays, they COULD do what Spielberg did in "SCHINDLER'S LIST",
as long as it wasn't done in a prurient fashion. They COULD do a POTA
flick -- even a faithful adaptation of Boulle's novel -- with full-
frontal nudity. The humans in the story are mere animals.

Try to imagine a live-action version of Disney's "BAMBI" ... but with
CLOTHING on the "naked" deer, to cover up their "naughty bits".

Ridiculous!

But, in a way, that's EXACTLY what it is with the humans in "PLANET"
and "BENEATH". Realistically, they wouldn't be wearing ANY clothing
at all. The fact that they wear SOME type of clothing -- what Zira
calls "clothing fit for humans" -- shows them to be MORE than a mere
animal.

Taken to its extreme -- as in Burton's lousy re-imagining -- we have
a race of SPEAKING, CLOTHING-WEARING SERVANTS who are somehow deemed
mere animals by the likes of Thade. "Is there a soul in there?" etc.
Why not, "Is there a THINKING MIND inside that skull?" If they can
SPEAK, then they can THINK. They can REASON.

In the original, the Apes could get away with thinking humans were
nothing but savages because they could NOT speak... until Taylor gets
his voice back in a very public way! The prosecutor, Honorius, has to
concoct a wild theory to explain away Taylor's ability to speak: Zira
and a "corrupt surgeon named Galen" experimented on a wounded animal,
tampering with his brain and throat tissues... to produce a speaking
monster.

"That's a LIE!"

But it's a lie he had no choice but to resort to. In Burton's crappy
movie, ALL THE F-ING HUMANS CAN SPEAK! There's no way the entire
society can think of 'em as mere animals. They can be racists, and
hate them the same way rednecks hate 'niggers' and call 'em "monkeys"
and all that -- but they can't deny that the hated race can Speak.

The most appropriate way to portray the POTA humans of 3955 is to
show them as the beasts the Apes have reduced them to. They would be
naked. And the women would have armpit hair and unshaven legs. And
the men would look kinda like what William Hurt turns into
in "ALTERED STATES". If they could do THAT in THAT movie, then they
can do appropriate nudity in any new POTA movie. And they SHOULD do
it, rather than pg-ify it (or g-ify it, ratings-wise).

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Patrick:
>
> I can tell you that the lack of page numbers is deliberate for

production reasons. When Dave provided me with the final pages for
printing he left off the page numbers so that the page files could be
used for either a single issue or the two separate issues without any
renumbering required. I thought it was a great idea up until the time
came to fold the pages. :)

>
> One of the reasons the story is split across two issues is that the

equipment I used was unable to handle the page count if we were to
bind this as a single issue without compromising the paper quality.

*** All is forgiven!

>
> The prose version of Dave's story was printed in issue 39 of Ape

Chronicles. It carries the original title Last Stand in the Forbidden
Zone, which was changed for the comic so as not to give away one of
the story twists too early on. The same issue has interviews with
Michael, Neil and Dave and a cover illustration of Gideon by Neil.

>
> Greg P.

*** I'll have to get a copy of it. It's on my "to do" list! By the
way, if you guys worked for Marvel back in the day, the original
title would've been "LAST STAND IN A ZONE FORBIDDEN!" Or maybe "DOWN
THE NOSECONE TUBE TO MONKEY-ABOUT-TO-BE-TRASHED".

Patrick

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I don't understand this Subject heading.

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We just got HDTV and the first thing I noticed was how real people
look. I like the list. Thanks.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Isn't DVD wonderful?
> HD-TV is so natural it almost
> looks 3-D they say. In fact
> there's now a list of who looks
> better in HD and who looks worse.
>
> _The HDTV List_ (http://www.onhd.tv/thelist.htm)

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 3:05:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Right now it is 8 pm New Year's Eve here.  I think it is 16 hours prior
in the US.

Oh, like Japan, eh?

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Yeah, well, what about Nova's hair? In most scenes it is really
clear that the only way to get the look that she has is with hair
fasteners and hairspray!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> In between,
>
> "That Brighteyes is remarkable."
>
> and
>
> "He keeps trying to form words."
>
> You can clearly see a hairpin in Zira's hair.
> A blooper? Or was Ape civilization so
> advanced as to have coiffure technology?

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:07:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey, I've lost 30kg in the last 4 months Rory!

If I lost that much I'd be skin & bones.

Which is actually my New Years Resolution.

Well, maybe 20 kg.  Doesn't sound like much

in kilograms.  Sounds down right achievable!

Hey what's your secret?  I need a good one.

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 7:30:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Thank you Helen from us ENGLISH people living in Australia and
the rest who are actually native to this country.

 

I've always wondered about that.

Is it because the accent is closer

than the bland American/Canadian

robodrone?  Or is it all of the

beachfront property?

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 7:05:35 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Well, then, it does make sense.  I am an American!

 

What was the term used?  Provincial rubes?

Something like that.  It's like Texas, sometimes

I'm proud to be one, sometimes not.  Almond Joy's

got nuts. Mounds don't!  Well, I guess being a total

prude is somewhat better than being a complete

and utter perv!   Uhhh (cough) Penteclese (cough)

or Testaclese or whatever.  But I mustn't judge.

 

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.html.html Patrick, you're on a roll... I agree with this posting of your's almost 100%... The only thing I don't get is where you say about the humans in burton's piece of sh*t having the ability to speak and all but being called "animals", yet the humans in the TV series are basically the same way. Speaking, clothes wearing laborers who are referred to as "animals"...<.html<.html

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 11:58:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I think the female apes on pota would have hair ornaments

Any evidence for that?

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 1:27:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Yeah, well, what about Nova's hair?  In most scenes it is really
clear that the only way to get the look that she has is with hair
fasteners and hairspray!!

 

Yeah I have a still in between shots

with Brent and Zira talking to the

director and her hair is in a babushka.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 12/31/2004 1:58:51 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think the female apes on pota would have hair ornaments

Any evidence for that?

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As I recall, the women in Boulle's Planet wear decorated hats. I
could be wrong. (It happens.) If they wear decorated hats, it's
likely they use hair clips to help hold them on. Therefore, it's
likely that they have ornaments specifically for their hair.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2004 11:58:55 A.M. Central Standard
Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> I think the female apes on pota would have hair ornaments
>
>
> Any evidence for that?

Again... I'm an American. We have the freedom here to be whatever
we want to be -- as long as it's legal!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/31/2004 7:05:35 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> Well, then, it does make sense. I am an American!
>
>
>
>
> What was the term used? Provincial rubes?
> Something like that. It's like Texas, sometimes
> I'm proud to be one, sometimes not. Almond Joy's
> got nuts. Mounds don't! Well, I guess being a total
> prude is somewhat better than being a complete
> and utter perv! Uhhh (cough) Penteclese (cough)
> or Testaclese or whatever. But I mustn't judge.

That would require the admission that I was in error, and everybody here
thinks I'm perfect! ;)

I know - I'll just change it without telling anyone!

Thanks Greg.

Neil and I have already spotted a change for the Going Home comic too!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:10:42 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and 16
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Well, any excuse to give Neil something cool to draw is okay with me.

What you may want to do when these strips are collected and printed at
the
end is change Marcus' line in strip 10 to 'received a report' rather
than
'heard some rumors'.

Greg P.

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:


The scroll contains a written report on the (as yet unconfirmed)
information.

Yes, it was just and excuse to include a cool looking SCROLL - OK?!?!?
;)

Michael

Many good points Greg - I think Neil wants you to write the next strip!
;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:41:46 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Home Page Picture, Within strips 15 and

16

> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Oooh, Dr. Garvon's up to something. I bet he's about to go on the run
with
the items from the time capsule, and then we'll have a big chase, with
Neil
going nuts breaking panel borders and such.

It really looks like Garvon's assistant is a young Cornelius here,
although
I'm still not 100% convinced. If this takes place prior to Planet then
he
shouldn't be aware yet than Man once ruled over Apes, but clearly in
strip 7
he saw the book from the time capsule.

Greg P.

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 7:46:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Don't forget Neil has been illustrating Monkey Planet as we post the
chapters!

Where can this be found?

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/30/2004 7:46:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Have a look at this Star Trek set from Rittenhouse.

http://www.scifihobby.com/products/displaysetdetails.cfm?SetID=114

This is the sort of POTA set they would be doing if they thought they
could sell them!

Bu they would sell! Archives Set 1 sold out in the NY area so fast, that within a month, a set - a complete set - was going for 100 bucks! I wish I had bought two sets, because I'm not parting with mine until I'm on my death bed.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 5:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

I wasn't being silly.
Makes more sense than a genius chimp
salvaged a sunken spaceship.

Should read my short story, Salvage. Explains it all.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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That was a fantastic issue of Scrolls - probably my favourite.

Then came #7 that tricked a whole lot of people into thinking there were
missing episodes of the TV Series. I wish they would have placed a clue
that it was false - I read the issue looking for a hint around 5 times.

Then came #8 where the focus seemed to shift to getting big names rather
than having excellent POTA content.

I really hope issue #9 gets back to the stuff POTA fans want to read
about!

I read that there will be an interview with Jerry Pournelle in #9. I
sure hope he doesn't say "POTA is crap - I hated doing those books. Now
let's spend the next 3 pages talking about anything but the POTA
novels!".

Michael

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> From: Greg Plonowski[SMTP:URKO3085@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 12:51:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK #11 now available
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Yes, there are panels in the UK editions that never appeared in the US
editions. These are actual story panels, not just the new cover images
and
the new splash pages that were created for segments published as one
part in
the US but two parts in the UK. This is pretty well documented by Rob
Kirby's article in Simian Scrolls #6, which is what prompted me to start
collecting the UK editions, and it's also the reason I chose to scan the
UK
editions rather than the US editions.

Greg P.

Just ask "Peek-a-boob" Janet Jackson!

Michael

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> From: Tim "apefan"[SMTP:APEFAN23@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 11:19:31 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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>

--For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to kids
but any hint of a love scene and people freak
out......

Tim

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In a message dated 12/31/2004 2:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

I went from morbidly obese to obese.

Or as Cartman would say, "You're festively plump."

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

<.html

Yes Patrick - and that IS what's so depressing.

We just can't all get along!

It is kinda amusing at the same time - in a Wes Anderson way - look at
this group for example.

We were all (mainly) on the POTA group years ago and then war broke out
between some of us who had strong opinions.

Splinter groups were formed (think of the "Judean People's Front" -
SPLITTERS! ;) Peace was made/broken. War was declared - repeat ad
infinitum until we all disappear up our own (and each others') bums!

But everyone has their reasons. "He said this!" "She did that!" Think
about the trivial things that have started world wars!

It is totally depressing.

And a bit boring too.

And funny.

Michael

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patrickmichaeltilton[SMTP:PATRICKMICHAELTILTON@...]

> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:27:02 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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*** Here's what I think. I think that the down-beat endings
of "PLANET" and "BENEATH" were the appropriate one-two punch-in-the-
gut that the human race needed (then) and still needs (now) regarding
that amorphous "thing" usually called HUMAN NATURE.

That's precisely what I'm talking about - the humans in POTA should be
naked. They are animals.

Michael

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> From:

patrickmichaeltilton[SMTP:PATRICKMICHAELTILTON@...]

> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 5:49:14 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> So I think if you're going to have a movie where you expect the
> audience to believe talking monkeys and time-travel you need
> as much reality as possible to off set that. Just my opinion.

*** I whole-heartedly agree. There's nudity in "SCHINDLER'S LIST",
but it's not gratuitous -- it depicts humans as if they were herds of
cattle, when the Nazis were inspecting them prior to their being
herded into the camps. A similar de-sexualized portrayal of ANIMALS
who happen to be humans -- like the "yahoo" creatures in the 4th
voyage of Lemuel Gulliver -- is exactly what a modern POTA movie
would need. It wouldn't be pornographic. It'd be like a National
Geographic portrayal.

Back in 68, they had no choice but to go for the "loincloth" look.
But nowadays, they COULD do what Spielberg did in "SCHINDLER'S LIST",
as long as it wasn't done in a prurient fashion. They COULD do a POTA
flick -- even a faithful adaptation of Boulle's novel -- with full-
frontal nudity. The humans in the story are mere animals.

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/04 7:05:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

But they would sell! Archives Set 1 sold out in the NY area so fast, that within a month, a set - a complete set - was going for 100 bucks! I wish I had bought two sets, because I'm not parting with mine until I'm on my death bed.

You should have pre-ordered them with the company.  I got two sets and the book to put them in.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Similarly, I thin the POTA TV Show suffered a bit from the great DVD
picture quality!

Michael

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> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:25:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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We just got HDTV and the first thing I noticed was how real people
look. I like the list. Thanks.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Isn't DVD wonderful?
> HD-TV is so natural it almost
> looks 3-D they say. In fact
> there's now a list of who looks
> better in HD and who looks worse.
>
> _The HDTV List_ ( http://www.onhd.tv/thelist.htm)
<http://www.onhd.tv/thelist.htm)>

I am actually having a hard time convincing the boss that a standard
POTA set would sell - and he's a FAN! There is a real decline in
consumer confidence for Planet of the Apes products and it is such a
shame that this is the case.

Does anyone have, or have access to, actual STATISTICS to back up this
claim?

Similarly, does anyone have an article or some evidence that the first
issue of the ADVENTURE comics broke many records?

It would be great to have some evidence as ammunition!

Michael

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> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:04:11 AM
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In a message dated 12/30/2004 7:46:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Have a look at this Star Trek set from Rittenhouse.

http://www.scifihobby.com/products/displaysetdetails.cfm?SetID=114

This is the sort of POTA set they would be doing if they thought they
could sell them!

Bu they would sell! Archives Set 1 sold out in the NY area so fast, that
within a month, a set - a complete set - was going for 100 bucks! I wish
I
had bought two sets, because I'm not parting with mine until I'm on my
death
bed.

Yeah - I told you we are ahead of the USA! ;)

Last time I flew to California, I landed an hour before I departed!
Hasslein, maybe you can explain......

Michael

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> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:25:20 AM
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In a message dated 12/31/2004 3:05:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Right now it is 8 pm New Year's Eve here. I think it is 16 hours prior
in the US.

Oh, like Japan, eh?

I paid $1 000 to a firm named "Sureslim".

They take blood tests and tailor a diet that speeds up metabolism. It
is fantastic and I am still losing!

www.sureslim.com.au

Michael

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> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:30:55 AM
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In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:07:17 A.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Hey, I've lost 30kg in the last 4 months Rory!

If I lost that much I'd be skin & bones.
Which is actually my New Years Resolution.
Well, maybe 20 kg. Doesn't sound like much
in kilograms. Sounds down right achievable!
Hey what's your secret? I need a good one.





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--

Naked, filthy and grubby - no hairspray! That's how she should be!

Michael

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> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 6:26:37 AM
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Yeah, well, what about Nova's hair? In most scenes it is really
clear that the only way to get the look that she has is with hair
fasteners and hairspray!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Many good points Greg - I think Neil wants you to write the next

strip!

-- I think by now Greg would have realised that we just wait for his
thoughts on where the strip is going and then go ahead and steal his
ideas and write up the next chapters and... ooops! did I just say
that?.. um, gotta go! ;-D

Neil