--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Mithril1960@a... wrote:

> Don't forget Neil has been illustrating Monkey Planet as we post

the chapters!

>> Where can this be found?

-- The illustrations for the chapters posted so far are all in
the 'Monkey Planet illustrations' folder in the files section.
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Monkey%20Planet%
20illustrations/


Neil

It's OK - nobody reads your posts Neil!

Draw something!

Michael

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Many good points Greg - I think Neil wants you to write the next
strip!

-- I think by now Greg would have realised that we just wait for his
thoughts on where the strip is going and then go ahead and steal his
ideas and write up the next chapters and... ooops! did I just say
that?.. um, gotta go! ;-D

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>I get the impression -- whether it's intended or not, I don't know -

- that the tribe of humans who relentlessly go after Gideon do so
because... maybe?... because some Mutant like the Negro in "BENEATH"
has his eyes closed and is compelling them like a psychic
puppetmaster.

-- I don't think this is what Dave had in mind but he did want to
have a little meddling by the mutants hinted at. It is where Gideon
is running from the tribe in the Zone and night is falling.There are
2 panels showing rock formations and the rocks on the right hand
side of the 2 middle panels change shape ("they seem to shift and
alter whenever he looks away.") He wanted that to hint that the
Mutants were aware of him and were messing with his mind a little.

>Just out of curiosity, is there a prose version of this illustrated

story?

-- Yes there is as Greg P pointed out in an earlier reply. The story
does change a bit though and the entire end sequence was altered,
mainly on the insistence of Mr. Whitty who wanted to tie it in more
with the events of Beneath, the original story ends some time before
all that.

> One quick question: the three Ape-onauts seem to be seated with

Zira in the port-side chair, to the left of both male chimps; Which
of those two is Cornelius, and which is Milo?

-- Milo is in the middle Patrick (and the people who haven't seen
the printed versions are now probably totally confused!)

> Nuff said! Great job, guys! You, too, Mike! I don't know what you

did as Editor of this project (did you edit anything out???), but it
turned out beeyooteefulleeeee!

-- Thanks Patrick, Mike did all the behind the scenes stuff. He
originated the project, got me and Dave onboard, kept us at it,
offered advice, got things changed that didn't seem right, insisted
on the extension to the end of the original story, came up with the
idea of the extra pages to make 2 comics out of the original one,
hawked the chapters around to all the various 'Apes' web sites to
(hopefully) get people to actually explore all the different ones
out there. He is the guy pushing his Fox contacts to get the comics
published and out in the mainstream and much, much more (even though
certain people believe all he did was to make the tea!) ;-)

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:05:09 PM Central Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

But they would sell! Archives Set 1 sold out in the NY area so fast, that within a month, a set - a complete set - was going for 100 bucks! I wish I had bought two sets, because I'm not parting with mine until I'm on my death bed

I'd like to think they would sell too, but the odds are against it...

The INKWORKS "Planet of the Apes Archives" set that you speak of benefited from the 30th Anniversary "hype" (the AMC Marathon, TV coverage of the 30th Anniversary screening(s), the BEHIND documentary, etc. etc.) Now those sets of INKWORKS cards (not including the "chase cards") can be had for next to nothing on eBay... What a difference a few years makes...

The RITTENHOUSE Heston set made 6 years later didn't have the benefit of APES being in the public's eyes again... Not even a limited edition set sold out. I think we're the only people that knew about it... Maybe it was the lack of Apes on the cards, maybe people thought they were too expensive, maybe it was lack of interest by "the public at large, or maybe nobody out there heard of them... <.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/2004 6:23:59 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

That's precisely what I'm talking about - the humans in POTA should be
naked.  They are animals.

Gotta go along with you, T, and Patrick on this one...

<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/2004 8:19:27 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I am actually having a hard time convincing the boss that a standardPOTA set would sell - and he's a FAN!  There is a real decline in consumer confidence for Planet of the Apes products and it is such a shame that this is the case.

I am a fan too, and I don't know if they'd sell out... The odds are against APES now, especially after the disaster of the pota2001 merchandise and public's feelings towards that movie. That is what's sticking in people's minds... The MEDICOMS, which were "hot" when they were "imports" only, then came to be setting on shelves, etc. when widely released... I'd hope that any APES items made now do not end up with the same fate as the Heston cards or the MEDICOMS... The "limited edition" route seems to be the way to go...

Similarly, does anyone have an article or some evidence that the first issue of the ADVENTURE comics broke many records?

If it really set records, I don't know... Maybe it was the biggest seller ADVENTURE had for a debut issue, or the biggest selling independent comic to that date... But whatever the case is with it's "record holding" they sure didn't keep up the pace... The APES fans curiousity seekers that bought that first issue seen the actual contents of it, thought "what the hell is this crap" and it went all down hill from there...





<.html<.html

.html.html In a message dated 12/31/2004 11:15:23 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

There are 2 panels showing rock formations and the rocks on the right hand
side of the 2 middle panels change shape ("they seem to shift and alter whenever he looks away.") He wanted that to hint that the Mutants were aware of him and were messing with his mind a little.

I didn't get that impression from those panels at all... Maybe he wanted that "subtle hint" in there, but I didn't take it that way... I just took it as Gideon was on unfamiliar ground, and not really knowing the terrain, or what landmarks to look for, he would have been confused... Plus, being night fall with the "strange luminousity", it altered the look of what he just seen...

<.html <.html

You forgot to mention that I did ALSO make a very nice cup of TEA! ;)

Yes, this was a demanding mistress but what a magnificent triumph - a
flagship and a standards setter.

I'm proud to have been involved and I hope my writing compares in the
new comics.

The next story I actually wanted to do was a back story like Within or
how Zira and Cornelius met, how Milo got the ship, Caesar's upbringing,
a Battle sequel, or a story set before Planet (which is I believe NOT
after Battle - ie not in a circular timeline).

However, we committed to a TV Show comic.

Dave did write a story ("Monument" - aka "A Step Too Far") and he gave
this to Neil and I, telling us it needed a rewrite and that he is no
longer as involved in the comics projects - we have to do the scripting.
Neil and I slogged on anyway and got to the point where Neil had done
all the research on SF (you'll understand more soon!) but our re-writes
were unsatisfactory.

So with all the research done and the first 6 pages roughly sketched to
accommodate Dave's script, we were faced with the daunting task of
instead perusing an idea of mine for a TV Show story.....and not wasting
all that research (so using SF as a setting).

I am nervous about how this will be received because I am not - repeat
NOT - going to churn out another TV Show story. I will be disciplined
and work within the confines of my perception of the canon of the TV
Show, but it will also be getting a shot in the ass because watching the
TV Show these days is sometimes painful and I don't want people to use
my stories as a laxative or a sleeping pill! ;)

I love the feedback and please keep it coming. I can take it if you
DON'T like things too! It is great to know that BTB kept purists like
Cougar and Patrick happy - actually it is way BETTER than good it is
SUPERB. That's what I wanted to achieve here - something for the fans,
but also something a NON-fan can pick up and enjoy! Because it was
Newton Comics #8 that got me started - and I have never looked back
since. If we can pick up new fans with these comics and please current
fans then I'm doing my job and if I'm still here in 10 years and we have
repeatedly pleased fans with more and more comics, then eventually the
rest of the world will catch on.

Hope we get through many more comics in 2005.

Michael

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> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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(even though certain people believe all he did was to make the tea!) ;-)

Neil

Oh great - I wonder what GOING HOME or WITHIN would be called? ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Patrick wrote:
>
By the way, if you guys worked for Marvel back in the day, the original
title would've been "LAST STAND IN A ZONE FORBIDDEN!" Or maybe "DOWN
THE NOSECONE TUBE TO MONKEY-ABOUT-TO-BE-TRASHED".

Patrick

Hey yeah Terry - did you send Neil and I that issue of AC?

Michael

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Patrick:

I can tell you that the lack of page numbers is deliberate for
production
reasons. When Dave provided me with the final pages for printing he left
off
the page numbers so that the page files could be used for either a
single
issue or the two separate issues without any renumbering required. I
thought
it was a great idea up until the time came to fold the pages. :)

One of the reasons the story is split across two issues is that the
equipment I used was unable to handle the page count if we were to bind
this
as a single issue without compromising the paper quality.

The prose version of Dave's story was printed in issue 39 of Ape
Chronicles.
It carries the original title Last Stand in the Forbidden Zone, which
was
changed for the comic so as not to give away one of the story twists too
early on. The same issue has interviews with Michael, Neil and Dave and
a
cover illustration of Gideon by Neil.

Greg P.

patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...> wrote:

One thing (a little thing, I'm just quibbling here): it could've used
some pagination (i.e. page numbers). I'm sure it was just an
oversight. The online pages had page numbers, but they ain't on the
printed version's pages. Why?

Dave, even though this is really just a 'vignette', it's a well-
realized one; sure, you have to know the POTA movies to "get" what
this is about, but that's a given. I like that it's a brutal story --
it doesn't sugar-coat anything; like when Gideon's about to commit
infanticide, bashing a baby's head in with a rock: THAT is a horrific
notion... and, in the context of the POTA setting, an imminently
realistic one. Just out of curiosity, is there a prose version of
this illustrated story? I know you've written other POTA fanfics, but
is there a version of this one written up, with (perhaps) some
det ails that were "edited" out for the sake of economy in regards to
this illustrated format?

Patrick

Well, I'm moving to America because I want to be a woman.

Actually, you can all call me Loretta!

Loretta

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> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 9:09:43 AM
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Again... I'm an American. We have the freedom here to be whatever
we want to be -- as long as it's legal!

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/05 1:24:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

The INKWORKS "Planet of the Apes Archives" set that you speak of benefited from the 30th Anniversary "hype" (the AMC Marathon, TV coverage of the 30th Anniversary screening(s), the BEHIND documentary, etc. etc.) Now those sets of INKWORKS cards (not including the "chase cards") can be had for next to nothing on eBay... What a difference a few years makes...

The RITTENHOUSE Heston set made 6 years later didn't have the benefit of APES being in the public's eyes again...

Just wait until we're all old farts and it's the 50th Anniversary of APES in 2018.  Oh, boy!  Will there be hype then!  Sure there will.  Come on everybody... think 2018!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html <.html

.html I remember from the novel, the female apes wearing fancy hats. I am just assuming that female apes are like human females, they like ornaments, jewelry etc. My female Persian cat doesn't  try to take out the bows I put in her hair(yes, I know, I need to get a life). Maybe my assumption is wrong about hair ornaments being a female thing. Elaine<.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:17:26 AM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I remember from the novel, the female apes wearing fancy hats. I am just assuming that female apes are like human females, they like ornaments, jewelry etc.

That's true that in the original novel, the apes wore clothes of "human appearance", but in the PLANET movie, I seen no sign that they do or would wear hair ornamentation...

<.html <.html

.html You are correct, in the movie there is no evidence of hair ornaments. I am just speculating. Elaine<.html

Planet of the Apes #1 (Adventure Comics) 1990
The publisher was a small comic company who found interest in a license that
had been basically untouched for a decade.

They brought in one ofthe top comic book artists of the time Dale Keown
(Hulk) to draw the cover but not the interior. It is up for debate what
made the comic sell. But it definitely sold. #1 was a quick sell out .
The company and everyone involved in the comic industry was surprised and
they put out 2 more printings of that book.

There must have been enough profit in it for them to reprint the stories
also in a graphic novel format.
The series also intended to last only 4 issues was extended due to sales to
24 issues over 2.5 years rather than 8 months.

This confirms my belief that there is indeed a market.

But is it the same bunch of people who went to the Brady Bunch movie -
ie a bunch of nostalgic adults who wanted to relive a better time by
watching something they watched back then?

Or is it a genuine fan base of apes fans? And if it IS real fans, has
the poor quality of that Adventure series forever turned them away? Or
did they hang in there and if so did Burton's movie push them away?

It would be great to get some genuine sales figures from the Adventure
comics series to write a foreword to prospective comic publishers.

I appreciate the information here Terry but these guys really need hard
evidence - I can guarantee that NOBODY is currently prepared to risk
much on publishing anything POTA!

Michael

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> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:08:01 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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Planet of the Apes #1 (Adventure Comics) 1990
The publisher was a small comic company who found interest in a license
that

had been basically untouched for a decade.

They brought in one ofthe top comic book artists of the time Dale Keown
(Hulk) to draw the cover but not the interior. It is up for debate
what
made the comic sell. But it definitely sold. #1 was a quick sell out .

The company and everyone involved in the comic industry was surprised
and
they put out 2 more printings of that book.

There must have been enough profit in it for them to reprint the stories

also in a graphic novel format.
The series also intended to last only 4 issues was extended due to sales
to
24 issues over 2.5 years rather than 8 months.

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 3:33:52 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

But is it the same bunch of people who went to the Brady Bunch movie -
ie a bunch of nostalgic adults who wanted to relive a better time by
watching something they watched back then?

That's what a lot of it was/is unfortunately... The "nostalgia" factor...

<.html <.html

If you re-read some of my previous stuff, you will see that I was
actually saying that there would be nudity ("flesh") -- although I
would prefer they not do it to the extent you suggest.
The "supervised breeding scenes" that someone mentioned are
gratuitous, however, and those are what I was referring to.

Having said that in my defense, I do see your point. If POTA is
going to be the huge shocking horror invoking movie that you
visualize, the Oscar winning sweep event of the year, I'm guessing
you could be right. If you played it SO much like an historical
event -- as Schindler's List was -- that it went beyond imagination -
- as real life horror does -- then this would do it. I can see that
it would work and it would sell.

I don't think it would be the sequel that I would want to see made.
Although I may be a prude as some suggest, it's not because I
am "prudish." Even though I'm not a fan of POTA 2001, you can see I
am not the only one that feels POTA should belong to everyone.


--Helen



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> *** I whole-heartedly agree. There's nudity in "SCHINDLER'S LIST",
> but it's not gratuitous -- it depicts humans as if they were herds

of

> cattle, when the Nazis were inspecting them prior to their being
> herded into the camps. A similar de-sexualized portrayal of

ANIMALS

> who happen to be humans -- like the "yahoo" creatures in the 4th
> voyage of Lemuel Gulliver -- is exactly what a modern POTA movie
> would need. It wouldn't be pornographic. It'd be like a National
> Geographic portrayal.
>
> Back in 68, they had no choice but to go for the "loincloth" look.
> But nowadays, they COULD do what Spielberg did in "SCHINDLER'S

LIST",

> as long as it wasn't done in a prurient fashion. They COULD do a

POTA

> flick -- even a faithful adaptation of Boulle's novel -- with full-
> frontal nudity. The humans in the story are mere animals.
>
> > But, in a way, that's EXACTLY what it is with the humans

in "PLANET"

> and "BENEATH". Realistically, they wouldn't be wearing ANY

clothing

> at all. The fact that they wear SOME type of clothing -- what Zira
> calls "clothing fit for humans" -- shows them to be MORE than a

mere

> animal.
>
> >
> Patrick

I dare say that there aren't enough examples of females to observe
one way or another whether or not they wear hair ornaments. The
only thing you have to go on is the description of Boulle's ape
women, Zira's ape-earance, and the woman at the museum. Who else is
there? And, if a hair piece has slipped in (as someone suggests it
has) then -- BINGO! Hair ornaments!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> You are correct, in the movie there is no evidence of hair
ornaments. I am
> just speculating. Elaine

I have been wanting to comment on a particular thread re Zira's carpet
bag (in Escape) on the pota group, but I think the moderators have
fallen asleep over there (I have had an email blocked for 3 days now -
simply stating that I think Glen Scheetz would be a good choice to take
over from Dan to do their comic strip) so I'll bring it up here instead.

Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a cheap
prop and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.

I agree.

However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the
Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also
referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags holding
all their belongings? I'd like to apologise to Eric Greene in advance
here ;) - maybe I am looking too deep?

Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but I'd
seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag would look
like! I just know it has a GLYPH on it! Neil?

I'd also love to see what other artistic individuals here, and on other
groups, think the bag should look like...please put pen to paper and
share with us!

Michael

I'm waiting for a response from Brian at Apemania on this one.

It is my belief that this hairpin was NOT supposed to be visible - much
like to footprints in the sand (of the film crew) at the beach in
Planet.

I like Cougar's sharing with us the Astro Apes hair flower, but did you
see the BOOTS on those dudes? ;) They are DEFINITELY not canon! ;)

Michael

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> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:21:21 AM
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I dare say that there aren't enough examples of females to observe
one way or another whether or not they wear hair ornaments. The
only thing you have to go on is the description of Boulle's ape
women, Zira's ape-earance, and the woman at the museum. Who else is
there? And, if a hair piece has slipped in (as someone suggests it
has) then -- BINGO! Hair ornaments!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> You are correct, in the movie there is no evidence of hair
ornaments. I am
> just speculating. Elaine

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:22:05 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The only thing you have to go on is the description of Boulle's ape women, Zira's ape-earance, and the woman at the museum. 

You really can't count Boulle's apes in the APES movie canon... Nothing about their clothing jibes with what we seen in the movies (which I think is a good thing...)
Zira and the mother Chimp aren't the only female chimps we see anyway...

Who else is there?

It depends on how far down the line you want to go... If you're talking PLANET apes specifically, there were the nurse apes, ape females out in the crowd scenes and the funeral mourners...

BATTLE brought us Lisa and other crowd scene and background apes...

The TV series brought us Wanda, Carsia, Zantes, Jillia, Kira, Ann, nurse chimps,etc...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:31:16 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a cheap prop and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.

I agree.

Yup... It was me... And good to see you're thinking right Whitty...

Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but I'd seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag would look like!  I just know it has a GLYPH on it!  Neil?

About the glyphs... I don't know about that, as the glyphs are more of a status or authority thing. Not everything APE is marked with them...

I can see the bag just being like most of their other wares, built for use, not ornamentation...<.html <.html

Sheesh, Michael. I'm foundering here. Three threads going and I'm
losing them all!! and now you bring it over hre??? Where's my
backup?!?! ;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I have been wanting to comment on a particular thread re Zira's
carpet
> bag (in Escape) on the pota group, but I think the moderators have
> fallen asleep over there (I have had an email blocked for 3 days
now -
> simply stating that I think Glen Scheetz would be a good choice to
take
> over from Dan to do their comic strip) so I'll bring it up here
instead.
>
> Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a
cheap
> prop and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.
>
> I agree.
>
> However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the
> Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also
> referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags
holding
> all their belongings? I'd like to apologise to Eric Greene in
advance
> here ;) - maybe I am looking too deep?
>
> Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but
I'd
> seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag would
look
> like! I just know it has a GLYPH on it! Neil?
>
> I'd also love to see what other artistic individuals here, and on
other
> groups, think the bag should look like...please put pen to paper
and
> share with us!
>
> Michael

Yes, Neil. A picturewould be nice?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I have been wanting to comment on a particular thread re Zira's
carpet
> bag (in Escape) on the pota group, but I think the moderators have
> fallen asleep over there (I have had an email blocked for 3 days
now -
> simply stating that I think Glen Scheetz would be a good choice to
take
> over from Dan to do their comic strip) so I'll bring it up here
instead.
>
> Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a
cheap
> prop and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.
>
> I agree.
>
> However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the
> Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also
> referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags
holding
> all their belongings? I'd like to apologise to Eric Greene in
advance
> here ;) - maybe I am looking too deep?
>
> Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but
I'd
> seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag would
look
> like! I just know it has a GLYPH on it! Neil?
>
> I'd also love to see what other artistic individuals here, and on
other
> groups, think the bag should look like...please put pen to paper
and
> share with us!
>
> Michael

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:33:15 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I like Cougar's sharing with us the Astro Apes hair flower, but did you
see the BOOTS on those dudes?  ;)  They are DEFINITELY not canon!  ;)

Nothing about the Astro-Apes clothing is "canon"...  Neither is the Warrior Ape's rifle, that thing looks more like a 1930's Buck Rogers weapon... The head sculpts were decent for being cheap "knock offs" though, even though the Zaius rip-offs face is too flat, and the Warrior Ape has that Roman style helmet...

<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/05 5:31:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the
Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also
referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags holding
all their belongings?

Miguel,

A "carpetbagger" was a Northerner who went into the South after the Civil War to profit from Reconstruction.  It's also a term (now pretty much archaic) for a person who meddles in the politics of a locality with which he has no genuine connection.

-- Rory<.html <.html

But, the colors in a carpetbag tapestry ARE Apes colors! Olive,
plum, mustard yellow. (Shall I post a picture of my sofa cushion?)
Aside from your taste in women's accessories, I don't see that there
is a real problem! ;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:31:16 PM Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> > Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a
cheap prop
> > and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.
> >
> > I agree.
>
> Yup... It was me... And good to see you're thinking right Whitty...
>
> > Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but
I'd
> > seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag
would look like! I
> > just know it has a GLYPH on it! Neil?
>
> About the glyphs... I don't know about that, as the glyphs are
more of a
> status or authority thing. Not everything APE is marked with
them...
>
> I can see the bag just being like most of their other wares, built
for use,
> not ornamentation...

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:09:26 PM Central Standard Time, stenosaurus@... writes:

I would have like to have seen a longer beginning to Escape that got into the chimps discovering Taylor's ship, restoring it, the liftoff, etc. but I guess due to time & budget it was impossible. Ideas like this could have been explored.

That would have been half the movie right there then... I mean it'd have to take a few steps back and show the whole discovery, repair, learing to control it, etc, and then the lift off, all the while making sure that those things would be happening before any of the stuff in BENEATH occured, because you wouldn't want to have things overlapping... Let's say that the army would have crossed the area where the ship had crashed... You couldn't have shown them on the march with Milo in the background examining Taylor's Icarus at the same time...

The ideas you have here are good, and that's where new APES comics owuld come in... You can do backstories like that in them...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:20:34 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

But, the colors in a carpetbag tapestry ARE Apes colors!  Olive,
plum, mustard yellow.  (Shall I post a picture of my sofa cushion?) 

I don't care if they are "Apes colors", take a look at the bag... I don't care if it was Gorilla black and plum, the bag itself is NOT of apes design... The colors mean nothing, look at the ugly pattern on it! The bag looks like your sofa coushin...

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Hey, I like my sofa! (But I like Zira's carpetbag, too!) :O

Peace.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:20:34 PM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> > But, the colors in a carpetbag tapestry ARE Apes colors! Olive,
> > plum, mustard yellow. (Shall I post a picture of my sofa
cushion?)
>
> I don't care if they are "Apes colors", take a look at the bag...
I don't
> care if it was Gorilla black and plum, the bag itself is NOT of
apes design...
> The colors mean nothing, look at the ugly pattern on it! The bag
looks like your
> sofa coushin...

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 4:31:16 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags holding all their belongings?  I'd like to apologise to Eric Greene in advance here ;) - maybe I am looking too deep?

Yes, you are looking too deep... Not everything shown in APES has a "deeper meaning"... A lot of what they show is just them living their lives... An Ape travelling would bring her supplies with her, but it doesn't mean she was supposed to be representing a "carpet-bagger"... It's just something you'd do... Just like a school bus used by Mutants in BATTLE was just them utilizing their workable transportation, it's not supposed to represent intergated busing...

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 3:45:10 PM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The "supervised breeding scenes" that someone mentioned are
gratuitous, however, and those are what I was referring to. 

In the book it mainly says how they do their "mating dance", and it doesnt really go into their actual "mating"...

I don't think it would be the sequel that I would want to see made. 

No matter if they did it this way or not, it wouldn't be a sequel... It'd be a new take on it... The only way it could be a sequel was if they picked up where BATTLE left off, but Boulle's book wouldn't fit in there...<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

> Sheesh, Michael. I'm foundering here. Three threads going and

I'm losing them all!! and now you bring it over here??? Where's
my backup?!?! ;)

-- Right here Helen! I also have no problem with 'the' bag. Why
couldn't it be made by apes? We never see everything they make or do
and not everything has to have glyphs or things on them. I'm sure
Zira could have made it and maybe she liked that look, isn't there
some sort of tapestry thing being worked on in her house in Beneath?

I just think it would be so boring if everything has to be the same
for them, exactly the same uniforms (apart from the orangs it seems!)
and the like. That is one of the things I liked about the TV series,
the variety of clothes and uniforms, which is why I have no problem
putting clothes other than the standard green chimp tunics on Dr.
Garvon and his assistant in Within.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> but in the PLANET movie, I seen no sign that they do or would wear

hair ornamentation...

-- But that doesn't mean they wouldn't though does it. We see no
evidence of them using combs either but I didn't notice any of them
going around with unbrushed scruffy hair.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but

I'd seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag
would look like!

-- No need, if I were to draw one it would look just like the one
Zira has in Escape. ;-)

Neil

##HUGE grin and BIG sigh of relief##

Yeah. What he said.

(Thanks, Neil!)

--anonymous

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
> wrote:
> > Sheesh, Michael. I'm foundering here. Three threads going and
> I'm losing them all!! and now you bring it over here??? Where's
> my backup?!?! ;)
>
> -- Right here Helen! I also have no problem with 'the' bag. Why
> couldn't it be made by apes? We never see everything they make or
do
> and not everything has to have glyphs or things on them. I'm sure
> Zira could have made it and maybe she liked that look, isn't there
> some sort of tapestry thing being worked on in her house in
Beneath?
>
> I just think it would be so boring if everything has to be the
same
> for them, exactly the same uniforms (apart from the orangs it
seems!)
> and the like. That is one of the things I liked about the TV
series,
> the variety of clothes and uniforms, which is why I have no
problem
> putting clothes other than the standard green chimp tunics on Dr.
> Garvon and his assistant in Within.
>
> Neil

Sorry! I'm sure T will have an opinion on Zira's bag.

Try to offer him a bribe to side with you! ;)

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: ape_mom[SMTP:SAND_HILL_SCHOOL@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:08:48 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Carpetbaggers [public]
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Sheesh, Michael. I'm foundering here. Three threads going and I'm
losing them all!! and now you bring it over hre??? Where's my
backup?!?! ;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I have been wanting to comment on a particular thread re Zira's
carpet
> bag (in Escape) on the pota group, but I think the moderators have
> fallen asleep over there (I have had an email blocked for 3 days
now -
> simply stating that I think Glen Scheetz would be a good choice to
take
> over from Dan to do their comic strip) so I'll bring it up here
instead.
>
> Someone (I think it was Cougar?) mentioned the carpet bag is a
cheap
> prop and is not the way a "POTA" ape bag should look.
>
> I agree.
>
> However, I also thought MAYBE there was a specific reference to the
> Oakies (as documented in "The Grapes of Wrath") - weren't they also
> referred to as "Carpetbaggers" - identified by their carpet bags
holding
> all their belongings? I'd like to apologise to Eric Greene in
advance
> here ;) - maybe I am looking too deep?
>
> Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but
I'd
> seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag would
look
> like! I just know it has a GLYPH on it! Neil?
>
> I'd also love to see what other artistic individuals here, and on
other
> groups, think the bag should look like...please put pen to paper
and
> share with us!
>
> Michael

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:52:41 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Isn't there some sort of tapestry thing being worked on in her house in Beneath?

***I am pretty sure she is just weaving a blanket on that loom of her's...

That is one of the things I liked about the TV series, the variety of clothes and uniforms, which is why I have no problem putting clothes other than the standard green chimp tunics on Dr. Garvon and his assistant in Within.

That's true, but "most" of the TV uniforms are just different "takes" on the standard clothes... <.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

> Planet of the Apes #1 (Adventure Comics) 1990
> They brought in one ofthe top comic book artists of the time Dale

Keown (Hulk) to draw the cover but not the interior. It is up for
debate what made the comic sell.

-- I really think the cover had a lot to do with it. I know it was
what really caught my eye the first time I saw it and I
thought 'this is going to be great...' and then I opened it and saw
the interior art :-(

As far as I am concerned the best thing about those comics are the
covers.

Neil

Yeah. Right.

(Hi, LT)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Sorry! I'm sure T will have an opinion on Zira's bag.
>
> Try to offer him a bribe to side with you! ;)
>
> Michael
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 5:58:37 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- But that doesn't mean they wouldn't though does it. We see no
evidence of them using combs either but I didn't notice any of them
going around with unbrushed scruffy hair.

Their hair is too long anyway, especially on the Chimps... By the time of ESCAPE, Cornelius and Zira are wearing the same of wigs... And Galen, he looks bad too... Most of the time his hair is so messed up that you can't even see his Chimp ears, so bad sometimes you wonder why they even put them on...

<.html <.html

Then draw us a hair comb! ;)

Oh come on Neil, you have to agree that silly bag was not their first
choice!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: Neil[SMTP:NFOSTER@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 11:01:57 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Carpetbaggers
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Also, I would hate to distract Neil from his busy schedule - but
I'd seriously like to see what Neil thinks a "genuine" POTA bag
would look like!

-- No need, if I were to draw one it would look just like the one
Zira has in Escape. ;-)

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:02:22 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- No need, if I were to draw one it would look just like the one
Zira has in Escape. ;-)

NO!!!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> Oh come on Neil, you have to agree that silly bag was not their

first

> choice!
>
> Michael
>

:O

No he doesn't!

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:12:54 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I really think the cover had a lot to do with it. I know it was
what really caught my eye the first time I saw it and I
thought 'this is going to be great...' and then I opened it and saw
the interior art :-(

As far as I am concerned the best thing about those comics are the
covers.

I wasn't too impressed with the first issues cover... Some of the later ones blow that one away... But to agree with what you said, the best thing about them IS the covers, it's the only reason I even bought them... It sure as hell wasn't for their content...

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I would think it would be more of the new dark horse POTA comics and the
2001 movie that would scare new publishers away

I dont think the adventure comics from 15 years ago will have any bearing
good or bad.

The main thing is that we are trying to promote material on the original
series which is now 37 years old!
How do you attract a publisher into something that old?

To reach a new audience you have to turn to comic book readers/collectors
Will they support a new POTA product from an independant publisher?
If someone like Marvel or DC touched it it would have immediate response and
be accepted automatically whether its even good or not

Chances are that self publishing is the way to go
If you can reach 2500 comic stores in North America and just sell 1 copy per
store I think it could be a feasible market to go after.

How much does it cost to get licensing from 20th Century ?

> This confirms my belief that there is indeed a market.
>
> But is it the same bunch of people who went to the Brady Bunch movie -
> ie a bunch of nostalgic adults who wanted to relive a better time by
> watching something they watched back then?
>
> Or is it a genuine fan base of apes fans? And if it IS real fans, has
> the poor quality of that Adventure series forever turned them away? Or
> did they hang in there and if so did Burton's movie push them away?
>
> It would be great to get some genuine sales figures from the Adventure
> comics series to write a foreword to prospective comic publishers.
>
> I appreciate the information here Terry but these guys really need hard
> evidence - I can guarantee that NOBODY is currently prepared to risk
> much on publishing anything POTA!
>
> Michael
>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Hoknes[SMTP:TERRYHOKNES@...]
>> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 8:08:01 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Statistics.
>> Auto forwarded by a Rule
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> Planet of the Apes #1 (Adventure Comics) 1990
> The publisher was a small comic company who found interest in a license
> that
>
> had been basically untouched for a decade.
>
> They brought in one ofthe top comic book artists of the time Dale Keown
> (Hulk) to draw the cover but not the interior. It is up for debate
> what
> made the comic sell. But it definitely sold. #1 was a quick sell out .
>
> The company and everyone involved in the comic industry was surprised
> and
> they put out 2 more printings of that book.
>
> There must have been enough profit in it for them to reprint the stories
>
> also in a graphic novel format.
> The series also intended to last only 4 issues was extended due to sales
> to
> 24 issues over 2.5 years rather than 8 months.
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Oh come on Neil, you have to agree that silly bag was not their

first choice!

-- Honestly, I don't see the problem with it. Until all this was
brought up I really hadn't thought about it in all the times I had
seen the movie. The colours are not bright and garish in a hippy way
but muted ape type colours (as far as I can recall). I see no reason
why they wouldn't make bags like it.

Neil

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At this link you can see I have 60 different POTA auctions ending tonight January 1st !

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:23:55 PM Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

How do you attract a publisher into something that old?

You'd go abut it the same way you'd sell them the original Star Trek franchise  (39 years old this year) or the original SW (28 years old in ' 05)...

To reach a new audience you have to turn to comic book readers/collectors
Will they support a new POTA product from an independant publisher?

I know I'd prefer they'd be independently released... That way they wouldn't have "the bosses" watching them so much... Granted having a name publish them might get more exposure, but I'd prefer less exposure and better stories...

Chances are that self publishing is the way to go

You hear that Whitty?<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:27:09 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

The colours are not bright and garish in a hippy way
but muted ape type colours (as far as I can recall). I see no reason
why they wouldn't make bags like it.

The fabric is all wrong, the way it is designed is wrong... The tassles on it are wrong...

<.html <.html

Something I would like to see would be some of their art. Surely
they must have had artists.
On the wall in the room where they have Taylor's trial there is some
sort of 3D wall relief thing with weird shapes and patterns on it
which seems to be in a wooden frame. Could this be a piece of
artwork or is it just 'decoration'?

And that claw type thing in the museum, is that a sculpture or some
weird dinosaur type bone?

Neil

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:17:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

My female Persian cat doesn't  try to take out the bows I put in her hair(yes, I know, I need to get a life). Maybe my assumption is wrong about hair ornaments being a female thing. Elaine

Of the females we saw there didn't seem to be any ornimentation to speak of.  But that may have been their everyday wear.  Perhaps they dress up more for an evening out.

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:31:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

You are correct, in the movie there is no evidence of hair ornaments. I am just speculating.

I think that hair pins are more utilitarian than ornamentation.

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 9:32:04 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Perhaps they dress up more for an evening out.

Don't get her going on that thread again!!!<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 3:45:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The "supervised breeding scenes" that someone mentioned are
gratuitous, however, and those are what I was referring to. 

 

So it's okay to read it in the book, but if it's on the screen

that's a little to adult for you.

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:11:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Sorry!  I'm sure T will have an opinion on Zira's bag.

 

I do.  What specifically about it did you have in mind?

 

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:27:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

The colours are not bright and garish in a hippy way
but muted ape type colours (as far as I can recall). I see no reason
why they wouldn't make bags like it.

 

Those are the same bags that have been around

a hundred years or more.

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 10:02:22 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

What specifically about it did you have in mind?

Hoping that you think the bag's ugly, but also thinking that it would be something that she'd have with her, just looking APE made, not 1971 Earth made...<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:33:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

The next story I actually wanted to do was a back story like Within or
how Zira and Cornelius met, how Milo got the ship, Caesar's upbringing,
a Battle sequel, or a story set before Planet (which is I believe NOT
after Battle - ie not in a circular timeline).

If you want, I could write a script of Salvage. I think it could be done in one or two parts.

I'd like to see Freak get done too, but I won't be pushy.

 

 

Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:13:35 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

True, hairpins are more useful as opposed to ornamentation.  I wonder if the female apes would have hairdressers?

Ahhh!!!!!!!!!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:16:07 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

So the female apes put hairpins in their hair before going out to the theater and gourmet coffee shop?Elaine

Only on the planet Soror, NOT on the Planet of the Apes...

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.html.html In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:20:07 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Let's have an R rated pota movie with nudity and sex, but make it a MUSICAL!

Musicals and APES DO NOT mix!!!

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 12:44:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I am a fan too, and I don't know if they'd sell out... The odds are against APES now, especially after the disaster of the pota2001 merchandise and public's feelings towards that movie.

 

I have to say they couldn't have done more damage to the franchise if they had planned to.  I can't wait for the old guard who green lighted the plan to die off and maybe get some fresh blood in charge over there.  I don't know what the suits were thinking, or even if they were thinking.  You'd think if they were interested in the bottom line, or even self preservation, their first concern would be a quality product.  But after seeing some of the bombs that get release on a yearly bases, I'm not sure, despite being in the biz, that these monkeys wouldn't no a good film if it bit them in the ass!  I'd help them out, but their beyond redemption.

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In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:37:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Oh,Cougar, be creative. Why not a nude, musical versian of pota?

 

Did anyone see The First Nudie Musical?

Cindy (Lavern & Shirley) Williams was in that one.

No Joke.  Look it up.

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Who was asking about Medicoms?

www.Toyzz.com has some for less

than 3 bucks a pop!  You can't beat

that deal.  No doubt the shipping is

more than that!

 

<.html

Whether it fits in the POTA universe.

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: LordTZer0@...[SMTP:LORDTZER0@...]
> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:01:27 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Carpetbaggers [public]
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:11:21 P.M. Central Standard Time,
whitty@... writes:

Sorry! I'm sure T will have an opinion on Zira's bag.


I do. What specifically about it did you have in mind?

If you can imagine it by reading it in a book, then you are clever
enough to imagine it when it is discussed on screen in a movie.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 3:45:10 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> The "supervised breeding scenes" that someone mentioned are
> gratuitous, however, and those are what I was referring to.
>
>
>
> So it's okay to read it in the book, but if it's on the screen
> that's a little to adult for you.

I can go either way with the hairpin debate. If they have pins to
hold back their hair, then I think that the natural tendency is to
decorate them up a bit. However, if it is forbidden because of
their religion, then they would, of course, not have ornamentation.
I feel that it is more likely that, aside from the influence of
religious teaching, they would be decorated.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> True, hairpins are more useful as opposed to ornamentation. I
wonder if the
> female apes would have hairdressers? Elaine

Unless this has been bred out of them, I think they would enjoy
dressing each other's hair, just as they groom each other in our
world today.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:13:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > True, hairpins are more useful as opposed to ornamentation. I
wonder if
> > the female apes would have hairdressers?
>
> Ahhh!!!!!!!!!

Neither do Apes and sex! Check out the number of children seen on
the movie!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/1/2005 11:20:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > Let's have an R rated pota movie with nudity and sex, but make
it a
> > MUSICAL!
>
> Musicals and APES DO NOT mix!!!

I'll consider any script. However I can't guarantee it will be used, or
when, or anything like that.

I like Freak too, and I think liked Salvage as well but I'll warn you I
have my own take on Milo's discovery of the ship! I'd love to one day
put out a compilation of 5 or 6 different stories of how Milo found the
ship!

I'd love to see as many scripts as we can get though.

The perimeter is 22 pages , or multiples of 22 pages, per comic.

Michael

>
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> Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 3:56:59 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1314
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

In a message dated 1/1/2005 6:33:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

The next story I actually wanted to do was a back story like Within or
how Zira and Cornelius met, how Milo got the ship, Caesar's upbringing,
a Battle sequel, or a story set before Planet (which is I believe NOT
after Battle - ie not in a circular timeline).

If you want, I could write a script of Salvage. I think it could be done
in
one or two parts.
I'd like to see Freak get done too, but I won't be pushy.


Imagine there's no countries,It isn't hard to do.
Nothing to kill or die for And no religon too.
Imagine all the people, Living life in peace...

John Lennon - Imagine




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It depends what you want.

I have offered to do it on a "I pay the costs/do the work/give Fox a
percentage" basis.

I hope I don't have to go into any more debt for POTA though!

Michael

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I would think it would be more of the new dark horse POTA comics and the

2001 movie that would scare new publishers away

I dont think the adventure comics from 15 years ago will have any
bearing
good or bad.

The main thing is that we are trying to promote material on the original

series which is now 37 years old!
How do you attract a publisher into something that old?

To reach a new audience you have to turn to comic book
readers/collectors
Will they support a new POTA product from an independant publisher?
If someone like Marvel or DC touched it it would have immediate response
and

be accepted automatically whether its even good or not

Chances are that self publishing is the way to go
If you can reach 2500 comic stores in North America and just sell 1 copy
per

store I think it could be a feasible market to go after.

How much does it cost to get licensing from 20th Century ?

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Just wanted to let you all know that I have been busy putting
together more of the paintings that they pan along in the Return to
the POTA cartoon.
I have just uploaded four more to the files section in the 'Return
paintings' folder:-

humanoid caves, gorilla trucks, gorilla trucks (worms eye view) &
Jeff & Nova in forest.

I will be uploading some more as soon as I get them done.

Neil

Cool, Neil. How do you do this? Are these screen captures?
(Forgive my low-tech, non-artistic background.)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> Just wanted to let you all know that I have been busy putting
> together more of the paintings that they pan along in the Return
to
> the POTA cartoon.
> I have just uploaded four more to the files section in the 'Return
> paintings' folder:-
>
> humanoid caves, gorilla trucks, gorilla trucks (worms eye view) &
> Jeff & Nova in forest.
>
> I will be uploading some more as soon as I get them done.
>
> Neil

Helen,
I would never ever want to tell anyone how to raise
their kids and please don't take this as a criticism
or telling you want to think. I think you have
absolutly every right to think think this way..
.however, If I had kids I would much rather let watch
a beautiful love scene than a gorey horror scene.
There is a beauty about the naked body...we are all
born naked and there is absolutly nothing to be shamed
about when viewing it. As long as kids are told about
sex and the consequences at the right age and are
raised responsibly and honestly, I think it is very
healthy for them to know about it. If the kids are
raised on blood and gore and body parts exploding they
will become desensitized and if they see it in real
life they won't be as effected by it. I heard reports
of kids watching the World Trade Center being
destroyed thinking it was cool and that it looked like
a movie. I would much rather my kids understand love
and sex and nudity than uneccesary killing and gore
and violence even if they do understand that it is
make up and fake.
But again, in no way am i dismissing your care and
love for your children. I am sure you are a terrific
and caring and loving mother. i would do it
differently tht's all....and THAT's American...the
freedom of chioce.
Tim

Happy New Year everybody!

R--- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> It's this way to me. The gore is makeup, the flesh
> is flesh. And
> when some kid is out there in the buff, then that
> kid is being paid
> to be out there in the buff. I do't like it.
> That's all. And I
> would rather have my kids going "ick" about the
> blood in Patriot
> than to be googling over some unnecessary
> "love-making" scene --
> athough even worse in POTA it would be a violent sex
> act at best...
>
> Nope. Flesh is one thing. Sex is definitely
> another. And slimy
> makeup that represents blood is yet another -- even
> when it looks
> real.
>
> My opinion...
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
> > --For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
> > thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to
> kids
> > but any hint of a love scene and people freak
> > out......
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > - ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's a good point. How DO they rate these
> things?
> > > I would prefer
> > > my kids watch a gory R than a PG13 (although I
> would
> > > watch either
> > > one first -- or at least with -- the kids).
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner
> > > <brindlepit2002@y...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > something i dont think has been addressed:
> > > >
> > > > an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that
> the
> > > movie is "adult"
> > > >
> > > > and likewise, the g rating does not always
> mean
> > > that the movie is
> > > childish
> > > >
> > > > consider the difference between the first adn
> last
> > > apes movies
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________

__________________________________

Natalie Trundy has a big collection of "Dr. Dolittle" albums. Her pal
Sammy Davis Jr. did a whole album of the songs from the movie. I can't
remember what all now. Children's albums completely of Dr. D songs. At one
point I borrowed them and made a tape sampling them all. Dr. D is her
favorite Jacobs movie. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:27 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr. Doolittle... "chatting with a chimp in
chimpanzee"...


>
>
> *** It's been ages since I saw "DR. DOOLITTLE" (the original, that
> is, and not the Eddie Murphy re-imagining), but one nice thing about
> it is that the late great Bobby Darin loved the songs so much that he
> cut an album of himself singing those very songs. His swingin'
> version of "TALK TO THE ANIMALS" can be found on an album
> called: "BOBBY DARIN: SWINGIN' THE STANDARDS", and it's terrific. I
> ordered the actual album of Darin doing all the Doolittle songs, but
> then Amazon.com canceled the order -- the bastidges! -- because
> somehow the item had been not-in-stock or something.
>
> I got a feeling that Doolittle -- like Neil Diamond's "JAZZ SINGER"
> movie -- did poorly at the box office, yet the soundtrack albums did
> boffo.
>
> Patrick
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Show some respect! Fox was so eager to do "Doctor Dolittle" they
> did POTA to keep Jacobs happy. If it wasn't for "Dr. D" there might
> not be a POTA movie. - - - Jeff
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Haristas@a...
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: [Aping Human Society -- Talking Doll
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/24/04 12:55:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> jspy@w... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> > I've thought about this before, too. But back in the late
> 60's, how many talking animal toys were there?
> >
> >
> > That crap from DOCTOR DOLITTLE and those "Banana Splits" things,
> not to mention "Mr. Ed" -- Oh, I just mentioned him!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 1/2/05 12:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Natalie Trundy has a big collection of "Dr. Dolittle" albums. Her pal
Sammy Davis Jr. did a whole album of the songs from the movie. I can't
remember what all now. Children's albums completely of Dr. D songs. At one
point I borrowed them and made a tape sampling them all. Dr. D is her
favorite Jacobs movie.  - - - Jeff

My two favorite songs from the movie have become the ones that were cut from the film!

-- Rory (who bought the LP as a kid, and has a CD of the original soundtrack -- and has the movie on DVD)<.html <.html

LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Who was asking about Medicoms?
> _www.Toyzz.com_ (http://www.Toyzz.com) has some for less
> than 3 bucks a pop! You can't beat
> that deal. No doubt the shipping is
> more than that!

It may have been me. I've ordered from Toyzz.com for Apes before, but
I came there later when all they had was Astronaut Taylor and
Ape-o-Nauts Cornelius and Milo. Still great prices though.

I missed out on a bunch and I kicked myself for it. Before that I
bought a couple for around $12 at Amok time, but my collection still
has some gaps. (And years ago before they were imported, they were
wayyy too expensive)

Mike

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:14 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr. Doolittle... "chatting with a chimp in chimpanzee"...

In a message dated 1/2/05 12:04:27 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Natalie Trundy has a big collection of "Dr. Dolittle" albums. Her pal
Sammy Davis Jr. did a whole album of the songs from the movie. I can't
remember what all now. Children's albums completely of Dr. D songs. At one
point I borrowed them and made a tape sampling them all. Dr. D is her
favorite Jacobs movie.  - - - Jeff

My two favorite songs from the movie have become the ones that were cut from the film!

-- Rory (who bought the LP as a kid, and has a CD of the original soundtrack -- and has the movie on DVD)

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> It depends what you want.
>
> I have offered to do it on a "I pay the costs/do the work/give Fox a
> percentage" basis.
>
> I hope I don't have to go into any more debt for POTA though!
>
> Michael

Dark Horse comics would probably be a good contender. Either in it's
own issue or as a serial in Dark Horse presents- many of the DHP
stories are black and white as well.

But if you end up self-publishing, I hope it works out smoothly. It'd
be nice idea to have a complete printed Apes comics made entirely by
fans for the fans, ala fanzine style. And I'd love to donate pin-up
art or a cover sometime.

Mike

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:36 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr. Doolittle... "chatting with a chimp in chimpanzee"...

In a message dated 12/27/04 10:30:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** It's been ages since I saw "DR. DOOLITTLE"

I have the DVD.  I can watch it anytime.  I like the cinematography.  The 4.0 Dolby Digital stereo surround is nice too.  Jeff Krueger adores the movie too!

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 1/2/05 12:42:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I just find it hard to believe that Fox thought it would be their big hit.

Jeff,

After the huge hit that THE SOUND OF MUSIC was Fox, and every other studio, thought that was what the public wanted.  Most of the major studios went broke in the late sixties trying to have another SOUND OF MUSIC.  In the case of DOCTOR DOLITTLE, I think the production got out of control, cost too much, took to long to make, and wasn't in the end the film everyone started out to make.  I also think the wrong choice was made in director.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/2/2005 7:42:41 AM Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Neither do Apes and sex!  Check out the number of children seen on
the movie! 

There aren't many children in the PLANET movie... A few young chimps around, but as for humans, there is only that boy the Gorillas captured alive... Either they all got gunned down, stayed behind and didn't migrate to the croplands, or else the humans just didn't do enough rutting...

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.html.html In a message dated 1/2/2005 7:55:01 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I like Freak too.

What is this "Freak" story the two of you are talking about?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 9:54 AM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr. Doolittle... "chatting with a chimp in chimpanzee"...

In a message dated 1/2/05 12:42:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I just find it hard to believe that Fox thought it would be their big hit.

Jeff,

After the huge hit that THE SOUND OF MUSIC was Fox, and every other studio, thought that was what the public wanted.  Most of the major studios went broke in the late sixties trying to have another SOUND OF MUSIC.  In the case of DOCTOR DOLITTLE, I think the production got out of control, cost too much, took to long to make, and wasn't in the end the film everyone started out to make.  I also think the wrong choice was made in director.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 1/2/2005 7:42:36 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Check out the number of children seen on
the movie! 

 

I've seen children in a movie and at a movie but on a movie?

They'll dent the can!

 

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LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> Who was asking about Medicoms?
> _www.Toyzz.com_ (http://www.Toyzz.com)  has some for less
> than 3 bucks a pop!  You can't beat
> that deal.  No doubt the shipping is
> more than that!

It may have been me. I've ordered from Toyzz.com for Apes before, but
I came there later when all they had was Astronaut Taylor and
Ape-o-Nauts Cornelius and Milo.  Still great prices though.

I missed out on a bunch and I kicked myself for it.  Before that I
bought a couple for around $12 at Amok time, but my collection still
has some gaps. (And years ago before they were imported, they were
wayyy too expensive) 

Mike

go vegetarian!

Helen,
I would never ever want to tell anyone how to raise
their kids and please don't take this as a criticism
or telling you want to think. I think you have
absolutly every right to think think this way..
.however, If I had kids I would much rather let watch
a beautiful love scene than a gorey horror scene.
There is a beauty about the naked body...we are all
born naked and there is absolutly nothing to be shamed
about when viewing it. As long as kids are told about
sex and the consequences at the right age and are
raised responsibly and honestly, I think it is very
healthy for them to know about it. If the kids are
raised on blood and gore and body parts exploding they
will become desensitized and if they see it in real
life they won't be as effected by it. I heard reports
of kids watching the World Trade Center being
destroyed thinking it was cool and that it looked like
a movie. I would much rather my kids understand love
and sex and nudity than uneccesary killing and gore
and violence even if they do understand that it is
make up and fake.
But again, in no way am i dismissing your care and
love for your children. I am sure you are a terrific
and caring and loving mother. i would do it
differently tht's all....and THAT's American...the
freedom of chioce.
Tim

Happy New Year everybody!

R--- ape_mom wrote:

>
> It's this way to me. The gore is makeup, the flesh
> is flesh. And
> when some kid is out there in the buff, then that
> kid is being paid
> to be out there in the buff. I do't like it.
> That's all. And I
> would rather have my kids going "ick" about the
> blood in Patriot
> than to be googling over some unnecessary
> "love-making" scene --
> athough even worse in POTA it would be a violent sex
> act at best...
>
> Nope. Flesh is one thing. Sex is definitely
> another. And slimy
> makeup that represents blood is yet another -- even
> when it looks
> real.
>
> My opinion...
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
>
> wrote:
> > --For some reason.......(American) ratings boards
> > thinks it's okay to show excessive violence to
> kids
> > but any hint of a love scene and people freak
> > out......
> >
> > Tim
> >
> > - ape_mom wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > That's a good point. How DO they rate these
> things?
> > > I would prefer
> > > my kids watch a gory R than a PG13 (although I
> would
> > > watch either
> > > one first -- or at least with -- the kids).
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > something i dont think has been addressed:
> > > >
> > > > an "r" rating does not necessarily mean that
> the
> > > movie is "adult"
> > > >
> > > > and likewise, the g rating does not always
> mean
> > > that the movie is
> > > childish
> > > >
> > > > consider the difference between the first adn
> last
> > > apes movies
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
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In a message dated 1/2/2005 11:04:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Natalie Trundy has a big collection of "Dr. Dolittle" albums. Her pal
Sammy Davis Jr. did a whole album of the songs from the movie.

 

What was Sammy's deal about doing Anthony Newly songs?

He did Candy Man fro Willy Wonka as well.

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