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In a message dated 1/10/2005 3:45:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, doctahoot@... writes:

Thanks! I just printed the design onto some iron-on transfer paper,
then pressed the image into some scrap fabric.

Oh . . . I could see how that would be easier on a small scale.

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 3:44:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, doctahoot@... writes:

I also sort've wonder if Wookies were  somewhat inspired by Planet of
the Apes.  And maybe the Emporer's albino w/dark cloak appearance was
taken from the mutants of The Omega Man, but that's stretching things.

I don't think so.  I think Lucas wanted as many elements

as possible.  Successful stuff that worked.  It's possible

that he or his people thought it some of it up on their own,

but not all of it.  They're infuenced by pop culture like

everyone else.  The Omaega Man was a big hit over five

years before Star Wars was released. He looks just like

Matthias!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 5:40:07 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

He also looks a bit like a Beneath mutant!

The unhelmeted Vader in EMPIRE looks more like a mutant....

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 3:51:54 P.M. Central Standard Time, doctahoot@... writes:

Ya I agree.  Even Joseph Campbell has taken Star Wars as a blueprint
for those typical archetype (archetypical?) stories. 

And visa versa.  In fact, Lucas is a student of Campbell,

Incorporating the old myths into his story.  If you watch

the documentaries on them the often collaborated

together before Campbell's death in.  Skywalker is

Campbell's Hero With A Thousand Faces.  There's

nothing new under the Sun.  Which is what makes

POTA so unique.  I defy anyone to find a parallel in

any culture's mythology or literature.  There isn't any.

The closest you'll come is Swift's Gulliver, but only

if Gulliver went around shooting Houyhnhnms and

mating with Yahoos!  Not quite the same thing, is it?

Boulle's character wasn't as heavy, but still, same thing.

 

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 3:56:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, doctahoot@... writes:

So the variation is definite then, I see. And yeah Japanese figure
companies love their variations, especially doing clear plastic ones
left and right.

I want those for my next Christmas tree!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil T Foster [nfoster@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Project Proposal involving The GB&U and P(OT)A

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Well then maybe we should do a joint group activity seeing as we all like POTA and we all seem to like spaghetti westerns!
It could be a collaborated effort with everyone contributing and getting joint credit. The premise should be (I think) a story about a bounty hunter paid to get Virdon, Burke and Galen - DEAD OR ALIVE!
Would the bounty hunter be a bad guy (like Lee Van Cleef's character), an ugly guy like Tuco or a "good" guy/anti-hero like Clint?
Thoughts?

 

-- Okay, here's a picture for a bit of inspiration then...

 

In the Members Art Gallery folder in the files section (Bounty Hunter)
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Members%27%20Art%20gallery/Bounty%20Hunter.jpg >

 

Neil

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:13:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Am I getting the impression that a lot of POTA fans are Eastwood/spaghetti western fans?

 

A man in the wilderness with only his horse and his rifle

to depend one.  Clint would have made a good Taylor.

John Wayne too, but he wouldn't look to good in that

loincloth.  And I can't see him jumping from building

to building that late in life.  He was doing True Grit's

Rooster Cogburn and was a bit paunchy by then.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 5:55:03 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I defy anyone to find a parallel in any culture's mythology or literature. 

I think Eric Greene could find parallels between APES and ANYTHING on Earth...
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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Bounty Hunter!

The face looks good, but the clothes are too "unApe"...

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-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Bounty Hunter!

No half nude Apes either... It was bad enough when they drew Aldo like that on the BATTLE poster... We don't need to see that again...

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-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon Kirtley [johnbkirtley@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Suprise Medicom find!!!!

Sorry Michael,

I don't have a digital camera but I'll give it some thought and see what I can do.

John (UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: 10 January 2005 22:14

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Suprise Medicom find!!!!

For we simpletons, are you able to attach a diagram or digital photos?  :)

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: John Brandon Kirtley [johnbkirtley@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 8:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Suprise Medicom find!!!!

There's a small white disc that I eased out of the body which is in two pieces

(the body) that's on the ape bodies any way. The Astro Cornelius space suit just comes in two and goes straight back into shape. The Astro Cornelius head on the Pota 1 Cornelius body looks just like Roddy on the cover of the paperback and Escape posters. It looks great.

 

Hope you are well.

John (UK)

----- Original Message -----

From: luke_the_drifter52

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: 10 January 2005 02:28

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Suprise Medicom find!!!!

How did you manage ot get the heads off the body. I was wanting to
swap Taylors head but was afraid I would break it and not be able to
use it.
Please let me know
Thanks
John

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.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:12:14 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Of course they are - he killed a human in cold blood - JUST TO GET THE UNUSUAL JACKET!
 
It is a trophy as much as anything else.


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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Bounty Hunter!

In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:12:14 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Of course they are - he killed a human in cold blood - JUST TO GET THE UNUSUAL JACKET!
 
It is a trophy as much as anything else.

Come on now... You're gonna expect a puny human's ward-drobe to fit a full sized Gorilla!?!? Whitty, I thought you knew better... And besides, what human on the Planet of the Apes wears a trenchcoat and jeans?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> OK - the jacket is STAYING! So - let's come up with a way to make

it WORK!

-- Let's see, he thought of a cool design and either made it himself
or had it made for him? I know a gorilla with an imagination is a
bit of a stretch but it could be a possibility? ;-)

> I do agree about the chest - but Neil's the artist so.....NEIL?????

-- The bare chest can go, that is fine and it's easier to draw a
shirt of some kind than spend all that time on muscles and fur!

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:19:53 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I suppose you won't be too thrilled with this next one then

Don't get me wrong, the art works itself is great... I'd just rather see him dressed in Apes garb... What you have him in on those pictures is too "western", and worse yet, it borders on ADVENTURE comics!!!<.html <.html

As we seem to be attracting new members all the time I would just
like to take this opportunity to welcome all the people who have
recently found us.

Please feel free to jump in and contribute if a subject takes your
fancy, or start one up yourself!

MAKE SURE YOU GO TO THE HOMEPAGE AND READ THE NEW PLANET OF THE APES
TV SHOW COMIC BOOK - GOING HOME!!!

Go to the homepage, scroll down to around the middle of the page and
click on the link underneath the logo....this will take you to the
PDF file of the first 3 pages.

Another new ongoing comic strip called WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES
can be found in the files section of the group or you can just click
on the handy links on the Home Page to view the latest and previous
chapters!

Don't forget we also have 3 other groups 'attached' to the main one.

First up there is the DG Archives group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/
This group was created to store old posts from the group which have
been deleted from the main site. We have to do this periodically to
free up space as Yahoo does not allot much space to the groups
anymore.
As this group is so active we tend to fill up very quickly and
instead of losing old posts forever we like to keep a copy of them
all. They can be found in the Files section listed by month and year.


There is also the DG Fan Fiction group where members can place, in
the group's Files section, their Fan Fiction stories, poems etc. to
be enjoyed by all:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupfanfiction/


Finally there's the Photos group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/
Where photos and files are occasionally moved to save space on the
main DG group

All the sites can be easily accessed via the links on each one's
Home Page.

And don't forget to check out the DG group's vast Photos section and
all that great stuff in the Files section.
While you're here why not participate in a Poll or check out all
those wonderful links and generally have a fun filled family
experience!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:19:53 PM Central Standard Time,
> Don't get me wrong, the art works itself is great... I'd just

rather see him dressed in Apes garb... What you have him in on those
pictures is too "western", and worse yet, it borders on ADVENTURE
comics!!!

-- Arrrgggghhhh! Not the dreaded A word ;-D
Actually I completley understand where you are coming from Mr C. and
your input is always highly valued.

Neil

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:52:57 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

The premise should be (I think) a story about a bounty hunter paid to get Virdon, Burke and Galen - DEAD OR ALIVE!

That would make a cool wanted poster...

 

On the Real Planet of the Apes!

 

Here's the posse.

 

 

When they find Taylor they can call in the Army...

 

 

And then the Fire Department can come in and clean up the mess . . .

 

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:11:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I think Eric Greene could find parallels between APES and ANYTHING on Earth...

I think it does parallel everything.

One of the advantages of a parody

of our own society is all the connections.

Call in David Burke!  I got a million of 'em!

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:16:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Come on now... You're gonna expect a puny human's ward-drobe to fit a full sized Gorilla!?!?

Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.

 

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:19:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I suppose you won't be too thrilled with this next one then ;-)

 

I like the "Vash The Stampede" coat.

Very Tri-Gun!

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 11:50 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Bounty Hunter!

In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:16:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Come on now... You're gonna expect a puny human's ward-drobe to fit a full sized Gorilla!?!?

Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 6:51:23 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.

No

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In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:22:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.

No

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:22:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
> Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.
>
>
> No
>
>
>
>
> Oh come one. If he's a rough tough bounty hunting gorilla
> and humans are just animals to apes, that's the only back
> story for that coat that makes any sense.

He got sucked into the Matrix and is in legue with Mr. Smith. The he
stole the coat from Morpheus.
Kasey/Undomiel

.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:59:56 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Oh come one. If he's a rough tough bounty hunting gorillaand humans are just animals to apes, that's the only back story for that coat that makes any sense.

Drop the whole coat idea... He's not a western range rider, he's a Gorilla... Since his scarred eye is "borrowed" from Zon, why not just amke his outfit a variation on Zon too... It'd look better, and more Ape-style...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/10/2005 8:09:26 PM Central Standard Time, elfgirl_06@... writes:

He got sucked into the Matrix and is in legue with Mr. Smith. The he
stole the coat from Morpheus.

No Crossovers Allowed!!!!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:59:56 PM Central Standard Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
> >
> > Oh come one. If he's a rough tough bounty hunting gorillaand

humans are just

> > animals to apes, that's the only back story for that coat that

makes any

> > sense.
> >
> Drop the whole coat idea... He's not a western range rider, he's a

Gorilla...

> Since his scarred eye is "borrowed" from Zon, why not just amke

his outfit a

> variation on Zon too... It'd look better, and more Ape-style...

If you're going off David Ballard's story isn't he suppose to have
an eye-patch? I agree that he does look sort of "other-worldly" for
who he is. Personally I think he should have a different outfit that
would make him stand out as bounty hunter, but not such an extreme
jacket, maybe more like a cloak or something.
Kasey/Undomiel

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Since his scarred eye is "borrowed" from Zon, why not just make

his outfit a variation on Zon too... It'd look better, and more Ape-
style...

-- Actually the Jacket was Dave Ballard's idea and the scarred eye
as far as I know is not 'borrowed'. These were originally done as
character sketches of Juba (a character from a few of his stories
and you can see by the dates on them that they were done back
in '03)
If the scarred eye was inspired by another character I don't know
about that.

When we were discussing maybe doing a comic strip of him he was
going to be a lone gorilla pretty much despised by his own kind (for
various reasons) and as such didn't see the need to dress or behave
like everyone else. He also had a vast custom made arsenal of
weapons, also vastly different from the normal 'Ape' guns.

Wow, lucky I never added the hat that he has described in the
tentative comic script that was written! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Arwen Undomiel" <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:

> If you're going off David Ballard's story isn't he suppose to have

an eye-patch?

-- Actually Kasey we aren't going off Dave Ballard's stories.
Yes the sketches I uploaded were originally character sketches of
Juba (but could in reality be any gorilla) what we have been
discussing is a possible new comic strip starring an ape bounty
hunter who, as yet, has no name.

We do have a 'Juba' story scripted for a comic adaption but Dave
himself felt it was in need of a drastic re -write and was not good
enough to really use which is why Michael asked for input from other
members to see what we could all come up with on a similar theme.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> Oh come one. If he's a rough tough bounty hunting gorilla and

humans are just animals to apes, that's the only back story for that
coat that makes any sense.

-- I actually quite like this idea. The only problem is that he is a
bounty hunter and therefore wouldn't be able to keep the skins
unless he is also going around cold bloodedly killing humans for the
fun of it and I don't think we want him to be that nasty?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Arwen Undomiel" <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:

> Personally I think he should have a different outfit that would

make him stand out as bounty hunter, but not such an extreme jacket,
maybe more like a cloak or something.

-- Yes Kassey he should definitely 'stand out'. If not the jacket
how about he has a poncho? ;-)

Neil

The following PotaDG poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Which Ape are you?

No one will know how you answered. Go
ahead and vote.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- gorilla, 0 votes, 0.00%
- chimpanzee, 12 votes, 85.71%
- orangutan, 2 votes, 14.29%



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In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:18:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Michael asked for input from other members to see

what we could all come up with on a similar theme.

 

How about a top member of the Hunt Club, that really has

no other job, and is brought in by Zaius after the army

fails to track them down.

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:29:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I actually quite like this idea. The only problem is that he is a
bounty hunter and therefore wouldn't be able to keep the skins
unless he is also going around cold bloodedly killing humans

There you go again, taking a perfectly good idea

and making a PG TV show out of it.  That's what

took POTA out of the big leagues and made it a

kid's cartoon.  I always wanted POTA to be up

there with Lawrence of Arabia, Patton, The Deer

Hunter, The Godfather and the other top serious

movies.  You can be then it would be on the AFI's

Top 100 list!

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:28:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

You can be then it would be on the AFI's

Top 100 list!

Bet not Be

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:32:52 A.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

You can be then it would be on the AFI's

Top 100 list!

 

Speaking of AFI Lists...

Most of the POTA stars were

nominated for the Legends List,

except Maurice Evans. 

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I don't think it is making it PG.

I think more like it is avoiding making people totally repulsed.

I'm fairly open minded and I like to be shocked but there's a real
Buffalo Bill (Silence of the Lambs) feeling I get from gorillas making
stuff out of human skin.

However I think it would be cool to slyly infer it!

"What is that Jacket made of anyway?"

(mumbles) "Your entire family!"

Leaves it open that it could too be a joke! ;)

Anyway I'm with you T - it does not need to be "kiddified" - but nor
would it need to be "adultified". Both seem to bee too....artificial.
Hey, I could be wrong though! If I am wrong, Rory or Cougar will let me
know! ;)

Michael

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> Sent: Tuesday, 11 January 2005 8:28:08 PM
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In a message dated 1/11/2005 2:29:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
nfoster@... writes:

-- I actually quite like this idea. The only problem is that he is a
bounty hunter and therefore wouldn't be able to keep the skins
unless he is also going around cold bloodedly killing humans

There you go again, taking a perfectly good idea
and making a PG TV show out of it. That's what
took POTA out of the big leagues and made it a
kid's cartoon. I always wanted POTA to be up
there with Lawrence of Arabia, Patton, The Deer
Hunter, The Godfather and the other top serious
movies. You can be then it would be on the AFI's
Top 100 list!

> what we have been
> discussing is a possible new comic strip starring an ape bounty
> hunter who, as yet, has no name.

"Hunter" would be a good name.

Hunter

;-)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> "Hunter" would be a good name.

-- It would at that! Well done Hunt... hey wait a minute!... just
how much would we have to pay you to use it then? ;-)

Neil

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
> wrote:
> > "Hunter" would be a good name.

> -- It would at that! Well done Hunt... hey wait a minute!... just
> how much would we have to pay you to use it then? ;-)

Consider it a gift from me to the PotA world. 8-)

Hunter

The following PotaDG poll is now closed.  Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Which Ape are you?

No one will know how you answered.  Go
ahead and vote.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- gorilla, 0 votes, 0.00% 
- chimpanzee, 12 votes, 85.71% 
- orangutan, 2 votes, 14.29% 



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go vegetarian!

Neil,

Personally, I like the weapons cache, and if the jacket has to stay,
then I guess it should stay (maybe the back could be similar to the
back of the soldier's uniform, to kind of fit in). Got a sketch with
him in a poncho? Not sure a poncho would fit into the ape world any
better than the jacket, but I see the point that he has to look
different.

It seems that the ape costume shirts were all longer maybe to make it
appear that the legs were shorter and more ape like? With even a
tucked in shirt, he seems too human in form. How about a longer,
untucked shirt? Also, since he probably was in the ape army, he
could use more of the uniform. I see the boots, the bandoleers are
great, pants, and I wouldn't mind seeing the gloves on him - this
would probably look good better with the poncho than the jacket - or
a sleeve-less jacket. He should still stand like an ape, also.


Just my thoughts,
John O.

Or a trenchcoat version of the soldier's jacket with or without
leather/cloth sleeves.

Mike,

So your friend made the Simpsons Dr. Zaius? Does he have any
interest in making/molding more? I'm sure there's some interest here
if he does.

John O.


-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:

> Here's my friend's Clint, whom I made the larger poncho for. (The
> figure itself is an unnofficial 12'' Japanese one, since Clint won't
> give out his likeness for toys).
> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/clint2.jpg
>
> The guy who owns this is actually the guy who created the Simpsons
> Dr.Zaius custom, small world. :)
>
> Mike
>
>

I can hear Neil drawing from here!

Michael

>
> ----------
> From: John O.[SMTP:JSPY@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 12 January 2005 6:40:35 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Bounty Hunter!
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>

Or a trenchcoat version of the soldier's jacket with or without
leather/cloth sleeves.

In a message dated 1/10/2005 4:13:32 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Am I getting the impression that a lot of POTA fans are Eastwood/spaghetti western fans?

 

A man in the wilderness with only his horse and his rifle

to depend one.  Clint would have made a good Taylor.

John Wayne too, but he wouldn't look to good in that

loincloth.  And I can't see him jumping from building

to building that late in life.  He was doing True Grit's

Rooster Cogburn and was a bit paunchy by then.

 

go vegetarian!

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 7:26:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Anyway I'm with you T - it does not need to be "kiddified" - but nor
would it need to be "adultified".  Both seem to bee too....artificial.

 

I'm not saying adultify it.  That would cheapen it.

I'm not saying make an Ape slasher film, or an

Ape porno movie out of it.  There's no need for

gratuitous violence and sex.  Just shoot the

story in a realistic manner and let the chips

fall where they may.  Who knows?  It may

get a PG, or an NC-17.  That's the ratings

board's job.  But I think it'll be, given the

material, a good solid R.  Soften it a

bit for the comic book, but just make

it what it is.  I'd cut out the little jokes

and sight gags too.  It doesn't need

all the tension breakers.   It needs

to be tense!  Not some self parody.

Just make it a great movie.

Then it will be great!

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:45:46 P.M. Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

Or a trenchcoat version of the soldier's jacket with or without
leather/cloth sleeves.

An oilskin trencher would be very bounty hunteresque.

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 3:00:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

i love both, as well as italian horror.

I have a friend who turned me on to Dario Argento.

The Devil's Nighmare, Sante Sangre etc...

In fact I noticed that one of my Kim Movies

was directed by him . . . Two Evil Eyes.

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So nobody know what this display holder plugs into?

Is there going to be a display holder, or are you

supposed to make your own or something?

 

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 5:03:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So nobody know what this display holder plugs into?

It looks  like it plugs into a slot.

Do those of you with Sideshows

know what I'm talking about?

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Freak

In a message dated 1/11/2005 5:03:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So nobody know what this display holder plugs into?

It looks  like it plugs into a slot.

Do those of you with Sideshows

know what I'm talking about

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

> Just my thoughts,

-- You have some good ideas here John, I'll have to do a few
sketches and post them to the group when I get a chance.

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 1/11/05 6:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So nobody know what this display holder plugs into?
Is there going to be a display holder, or are you
supposed to make your own or something?

T, what are you, retarded?  It's a stand for the damned doll!  Can't you figure it out?

-- Rory<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 10:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Freak

In a message dated 1/11/05 6:03:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

So nobody know what this display holder plugs into?
Is there going to be a display holder, or are you
supposed to make your own or something?

T, what are you, retarded?  It's a stand for the damned doll!  Can't you figure it out?

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 1/11/05 7:36:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Rory, please don't refer to T a retarded!  Refer instead to him as reTarded!  ;)

Why don't you be nice and help him use the stand?

Michael


A three-year-old could figure it out!  The plastic shaft fits into the base, then you slide the metal part into that.  The doll is held in the metal part!
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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Freak

In a message dated 1/11/05 7:36:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Rory, please don't refer to T a retarded!  Refer instead to him as reTarded!  ;)

Why don't you be nice and help him use the stand?

Michael

A three-year-old could figure it out!  The plastic shaft fits into the base, then you slide the metal part into that.  The doll is held in the metal part!

<.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/11/05 7:51:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Do you have a phoTo?

I have alot of photos!

Michael


Now have you got a problem in the head?  Has it occurred to any of you that you might find what you're looking for the Sideshow website?

A new episode of NYPD BLUE is on tonight, Miguel.  Boy, sometimes I'd like to do a Sipowicz on you!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 11:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Bob

In a message dated 1/11/05 7:51:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Do you have a phoTo?

I have alot of photos!

Michael

Now have you got a problem in the head?  Has it occurred to any of you that you might find what you're looking for the Sideshow website?

A new episode of NYPD BLUE is on tonight, Miguel.  Boy, sometimes I'd like to do a Sipowicz on you!

-- Rory

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 5:56:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

T, what are you, retarded?  It's a stand for the damned doll!  Can't you figure it out?

 

Yeah you freakin' idiot, I know.

But it won't stand on it's own.

I want to know if it goes into

something!  I establish it's

a stand!  That's obvious!

Wake up and pay attention

before you bite someone's

head off.  Schmuck.

 

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 6:45:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

A three-year-old could figure it out!  The plastic shaft fits into the base, then you slide the metal part into that. 

Thank you!  That's all I wanted.

I hadn't taken it out of the box

and I thought it was all one piece.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 1/11/05 10:21:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Yeah you freakin' idiot, I know.
But it won't stand on it's own.
I want to know if it goes into
something!  I establish it's
a stand!  That's obvious!
Wake up and pay attention
before you bite someone's
head off.  Schmuck.

T, you f'in freak!  Try taking Zira's boots off and straightening up her feet, then carefully put the boots back on.  I couldn't get her to stand up by herself either until I did that, and now she stands fine!  Jeez!  Unbelievable, T!<.html <.html

.html.htmlT,

While you're taking Zira's boots off take off the rest of her clothes and check out the fine brown booty she has!  Niiiiiiiiice!<.html<.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:33:13 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

It seems that the ape costume shirts were all longer maybe to make it
appear that the legs were shorter and more ape like?

They were... That's why the sleeves were shorter too, to give the impresion of longer arms...

  How about a longer, untucked shirt?  Also, since he probably was in the ape army, he could use more of the uniform.  I see the boots, the bandoleers are
great, pants, and I wouldn't mind seeing the gloves on him - this
would probably look good better with the poncho than the jacket - or
a sleeve-less jacket.  He should still stand like an ape, also.

Agreed... As I said last night, he needs to be dressed more like an ape... I still say drop the whole jacket or poncho though!!<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 2:37 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Sideshow Freak

T,

While you're taking Zira's boots off take off the rest of her clothes and check out the fine brown booty she has!  Niiiiiiiiice!

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-----Original Message-----
From: mlccougar@... [mlccougar@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 3:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Bounty Hunter!

In a message dated 1/11/2005 1:33:13 PM Central Standard Time, jspy@... writes:

It seems that the ape costume shirts were all longer maybe to make it
appear that the legs were shorter and more ape like?

They were... That's why the sleeves were shorter too, to give the impresion of longer arms...

  How about a longer, untucked shirt?  Also, since he probably was in the ape army, he could use more of the uniform.  I see the boots, the bandoleers are
great, pants, and I wouldn't mind seeing the gloves on him - this
would probably look good better with the poncho than the jacket - or
a sleeve-less jacket.  He should still stand like an ape, also.

Agreed... As I said last night, he needs to be dressed more like an ape... I still say drop the whole jacket or poncho though!!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/11/2005 10:55:25 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

So how would YOU dress an ape who wants to dress differently when he hunts down fugitives for money

We covered that last night... I'd basically dress him the way Zon (the Dragoon) was dressed... And, if it comes down to it, if you guys absolutely "insist" on something, then choose a poncho over the trenchcoat... At least Apes wear ponchos (the poor farmer Polar did anyway)... But make it Gorilla colors... But no trenchcoat!!!!<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/11/2005 9:31:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

T, you f'in freak!  Try taking Zira's boots off and straightening up her feet, then carefully put the boots back on. 

I never said I had any trouble with that you goob.

The only problem I have with the feet is they spin

360 degrees.  Not a figure feature I really look for.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> So how would YOU dress an ape who wants to dress differently when

he hunts down fugitives for money?

-- I have done a few quick sketches based on some of the ideas John
had earlier, showing slight variations in the costume. You can find
them in the files section (Hunter variations.jpg)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2005 4:43 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: The Bounty Hunter!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> So how would YOU dress an ape who wants to dress differently when
he hunts down fugitives for money?

-- I have done a few quick sketches based on some of the ideas John
had earlier, showing slight variations in the costume. You can find
them in the files section (Hunter variations.jpg)

Neil

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.html.html In a message dated 1/11/2005 11:47:04 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I like them all - I'll have to think a while to decide which I like better!

I know I don't like him without sleeves... He needs sleeves!

But, that is a hundred percent improvement in costume design compared to the ones from the other night... Change it to a cloth poncho though, so it's not so long, and keep his arsenal all "ape looking" guns... Give him an "Ursus" style pistol, not the incorrect "lugar" style like the tv show gave them...<.html <.html

John,

He may be busy at the moment since we're part of a custom contest this
month, but I can ask him ya. Or you can check out his site and
contact him directly if you like.

http://horrorseek.com/horror/ghastly/lab.html"

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> So your friend made the Simpsons Dr. Zaius? Does he have any
> interest in making/molding more? I'm sure there's some interest here
> if he does.
>
> John O.
>
>
> -- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> > Here's my friend's Clint, whom I made the larger poncho for. (The
> > figure itself is an unnofficial 12'' Japanese one, since Clint won't
> > give out his likeness for toys).
> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/clint2.jpg
> >
> > The guy who owns this is actually the guy who created the Simpsons
> > Dr.Zaius custom, small world. :)
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:

> it kind of makes sense, because pota and spaghetti westerns are from

about the same era of film making.

> i love both, as well as italian horror.

Italian Horror here too, especially on the zombie end. Same goes for
American zombie flicks. Besides Apes and other movies I love, zombie
films rank high on my list!

Mike

.html.html In a message dated 1/12/05 12:16:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I never said I had any trouble with that you goob.
The only problem I have with the feet is they spin
360 degrees.  Not a figure feature I really look for.

Tape her ankles, T, to prevent the spin.  What's the mayyer with you?  What kind of a man are you?  Haven't you ever played with dolls before?<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:00:58 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Haven't you ever played with dolls before?

 

Not since I since I hit GI Joe with a flame thrower.

Well it wasn't a real one, just a lit aerosol spray.

We had to make our own fun, not like spoiled

kids today.  We had to improvise!

 

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.html.html In a message dated 1/12/05 7:10:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Not since I since I hit GI Joe with a flame thrower.
Well it wasn't a real one, just a lit aerosol spray.
We had to make our own fun, not like spoiled
kids today.  We had to improvise!

Yeah, I used to shot them with my BB gun.  Loads of fun!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/12/2005 6:33:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yeah, I used to shot them with my BB gun.  Loads of fun!

 

Ah..the heavy artillery.

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I agree he needs to keep the sleeves. I do like the long spaghetti
western jacket. Don't loose the scar. I thought that was a nice touch
from the original drawing. Its a fine line between intimidating
bounty hunter and the bounty hunter hired to kill Kermit the frog in
the Muppet Movie... so far great job. Great idea too. Hey if you have
him run into some Zombies while tracking the fugitives... who knows?

I got my "Return" DVDs yesterday and finally after 30 years of waiting
I was able to watch these ape toons!

Thanks a million to Hunter for collecting/editing/producing these, all
the people who contributed tape sources and to Terry for copying and
distributing them.

I only watched the first episode "Flames of Doom" so far. The
animation while sketchy in some places was actually a lot better than
I imagined it would be. The intro was great and I thought the
accompanying music was great (different enough to be original but
definitely inspired by the movie soundtracks).

A few notes:
- The opening shot of the astronauts in the spaceship doesn't mention
anything about the mission, just about the time dilation. We do
however clearly see that the planet they are falling towards is earth
with a clear distinctive North America outline. Once in the desert,
they comment that they do not know where (althought Judy mentions that
it looks like a familiar place). In the end the just say they are
going to head out "whereever they are". So it isn't 100% clear from
this episode alone that the astronauts even know they are on Earth.

- One one Astronauts mentions that they are now in the year 3979. But
to emphasize this the show his LED watch which simple displays the
year as 79. Duh! Yeah he could have deduced it from the ships
chronometer, but why show a wristwatch? And if the wristwatch was
supposed to be a more sophisticated scientifc timepiece, then it
should have displayed all the digits in the year. (I dunno, it just
bothered me...)

- At the begining when we first see Cornelius making a speech in the
'courtroom', the image sometimes switches to "Zira" and she has bushy
eyebrows that would make Brooke Shields and Groucho Marx blush. I mean
these were BIG. Later on when Zira is shown the massive eyebrows are
gone. Was this just a mistake for those first few scenes or was that
not supposed to be Zira at all?

I hope that all the others who've ordered copies get theirs soon to
and we can comment on them. I guess mine arrived earlier since I'm in
Canada too, although I don't think it should take more than a day or
so at least for US deliveries. Those 'across the pond' (in either
direction) may have to wait longer.

.html.html In a message dated 1/12/2005 8:41:41 AM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I agree he needs to keep the sleeves.

Good, at least someone agrees... He just doesn't look right sleeveless...

Don't loose the scar. I thought that was a nice touch from the original drawing.

Yes, the scar is fine...

Its a fine line between intimidating bounty hunter and the bounty hunter hired to kill Kermit the frog in the Muppet Movie... so far great job. Great idea too.

That's true, even though I don't know the bounty hunter you're talking about... But, I agree with you, because it's also a fine line between having an APES bounty hunter that still would fit into the context of POTA and going the way of ADVENTURE comics... And the first pictures that were posted on him gave the impression of ADVENTURE style...

Hey if you have him run into some Zombies while tracking the fugitives... who knows?



No Zombies, make it Mutants... But preferably neither of the two...<.html <.html

Thanks Mike, I see that in the site's FAQ that it states the customs
are not for sale. So, you can ask him if you get a chance, but it
looks like 'no'.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> He may be busy at the moment since we're part of a custom contest
this
> month, but I can ask him ya. Or you can check out his site and
> contact him directly if you like.
>
> http://horrorseek.com/horror/ghastly/lab.html"
>
> Mike
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > So your friend made the Simpsons Dr. Zaius? Does he have any
> > interest in making/molding more? I'm sure there's some interest
here
> > if he does.
> >
> > John O.
> >
> >
> > -- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Here's my friend's Clint, whom I made the larger poncho for.
(The
> > > figure itself is an unnofficial 12'' Japanese one, since Clint
won't
> > > give out his likeness for toys).
> > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/clint2.jpg
> > >
> > > The guy who owns this is actually the guy who created the
Simpsons
> > > Dr.Zaius custom, small world. :)
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/10/2005 7:22:50 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> Maybe he made it out of skinned humans.

-------------------------------------------------------

> No

-------------------------------------------------------

> Oh come one. If he's a rough tough bounty hunting gorilla
> and humans are just animals to apes, that's the only back
> story for that coat that makes any sense.

=======================================================

I disagree. Horse-hide would make for a better coat than human-hide.
Besides, I think it'd be better (and equally gruesome) for the Apes
to skin humans so as to use their flesh the way sheep-skin is used
for certain scrolls. The word "vellum" denotes such writing material
(for example, a number of the Dead Sea Scrolls were made from animal
skin, and have been carbon-dated, etc). It lasts longer than papyrus
material.

The Sacred Scrolls are said to be "worth their parchment" (i.e. worth
the parchment they're inscribed upon); I looked up the
word "parchment" in the ENCARTA WORLD ENGLISH DICTIONARY, and it says
it is: "a creamy or yellowish material made from dried and treated
sheepskin, goatskin, or other animal hide, used in former times for
books and documents". We tend to think of a "parchment" as being a
type of paper, such as papyrus-reed paper, but the word's actual
original meaning referred to the use of animal-skins.

On the planet of the apes, Humans are animals. And, aside from Dodge,
the ones in 3955 seem to be caucasian humans -- LIGHT-SKINNED humans.
Perfect for use as parchment. Ask any tattoo artist!

But Ape clothes, well, I think they'd do better to use the hides of
horses who've outlived their prime. Cows, too. Where else did the
Apes get all that LEATHER, d'ya suppose? They made use of the hides
of animals. And they considered Man to be an animal, remember. When
Zira says, "I wonder how [Taylor]'d do on a Hopkins Manual Dexterity
test..." Zaius exclaims incredulously, "An ANIMAL???"

I don't see him having any problem with man-hides being used in such
a gruesome manner. Remember Ursus' line about the remaining living
humans having the "privilege of being USED by our revered Minister of
Science, the good Doctor Zaius"? Used for scientific experiments and
all that... and then, when they're no longer useful and they've died,
what else would they do with human cadavers? They wouldn't waste any
time or space to give 'em a decent burial; if they treated humans as
pets, then MAYBE they'd be sentimental and give 'em a burial, but
they DON'T treat humans as pets.

I think it's likely they'd use the corpses of humans the way humans
in former times used animal hides -- for the making of parchment, the
kind that is more durable than mere paper/papyrus.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/10/2005 5:40:07 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > He also looks a bit like a Beneath mutant!
>
> The unhelmeted Vader in EMPIRE looks more like a mutant....

*** The unhelmeted Vader in RETURN OF THE JEDI looked like Uncle
Fester from the TV show "The Addams Family"!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/9/2005 6:01:51 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> veetus@e... writes:
>
> a letter from Buck
>
>
>
> I always though that Norm Grabowski would have made a
> great gorilla. But he did do The Monkey's Uncle and The
> Naked Ape. I used to think he was Buck.

*** Ernest Borgnine would've made a good gorilla. I could easily
imagine him portraying Julius, or some other somewhat amiable working-
class gorilla.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/5/2005 12:28:29 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> Only when keeping silent meant that her mate would die at the mind-

controlling hands of the Mutants, does Nova finally overcome that
fear (and it helps that there were no apes around), and rasp out the
only word she would ever speak: "Taylor!"

>
>
>
> Well obviously there was at least one ape around.
> The one that shot her.

*** If you'll recall, the Ape Army didn't show up until some time
afterward. At the time when Nova finally found her voice, there
weren't any apes around -- only a bunch of fleshy-headed mutants.

After Nova rasps out, "Taylor!" and the astros do a number on the
Negro, they spend some time trying to get the locked cell-door open.
They're in the midst of trying to bash the lock in when they first
hear the machine-gun fire: THAT is the first moment they have any
inkling that the Ape army has actually "arrived".

Patrick