.html.html In a message dated 1/17/2005 12:33:54 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

If a group of humans attacked a farm of female gorillas, do you think the gorillas would fight back or would they huddle in a corner?

I doubt there'd be a farm of female Gorillas... Ape families of both sexes occupy farms...

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You didn't like it when I suggested it three days ago.

When did you mention a trivia game? I only remember you saying about crossing MouseTrap and Operation?<.html <.html

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In a message dated 1/17/2005 9:44:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

When did you mention a trivia game? I only remember you saying about crossing MouseTrap and Operation?

Reread my post.

You'll see that I mentioned

Trivial Pursuit first thing.  If

you miss a trivia question

you have to add a piece to

the mousetrap.  If you spring

the trap you have to spin the

spinner to see what kind of

operation you get, a throat

job, a lobotomy or castration.

Originally I said that would be

determined by a roll of the

dice, but changed it as a nod

to the game of Life.

 

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In a message dated 1/17/2005 9:45:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Ape families of both sexes occupy farms...

Gorillas as farmers?

I never saw them as

farmers, but I guess

that would fall under

the military and labor

job description. Maybe

they join the army just

to get off the farm.

 

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Thanks, Hunter. Maybe I'll experiment on other discs first.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Hunter Goatley <goathunter@g...>
wrote:

> > Has anyone had a problem with the dvd (or a cd) after the label's
> > been applied? I want to put these labels on, but I've read

before

> > not to because of balance issues (I think), but they sell decent
> > looking kits to apply the labels.
>
> I've heard about balance issues, and I've heard that over time, the
> adhesive on the label might eat through the discs. I don't know

how

> likely either is, but I've never put a label on a disc, just in

case.

> However, I do have some discs that were given to me that have

labels,

> and they play OK....
>
> Hunter

.html.html In a message dated 1/17/2005 10:35:45 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Gorillas as farmers?

Yeah, there's that one in the episode "The Interrogation" (the one that gets his wagon hijacked by Galen and Virdon...) He's in a white "peasant ape" shirt... Maybe he is military or police, but if so, he is in his "work clothes" as opposed to their regular outfits (which gives the appearance of an agricultural Gorilla anyway...)<.html <.html

This is weird. Under florecent light, the cloth on the gorilla
looks black or a dark gray, but under incandecent light, I can see
that it's brown.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone else received their gorilla? I see in the review that
the
> cloth is brown. The cloth on mine is black. What color did
everyone
> else get? Elaine?
>
> John O.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> What have I seen to presume not all apes are equal: Lack of female

Gorillas and Orangs for one... Had they been "equals" they would have
been seen in public, not all "hidden at home"...

-- Would this not be because of budget restrictions when they were
making the original movie though?
The reason there are female chimps would be because one of the main
characters is a female chimp therefore they had to develope a female
looking chimp appliance, clothes, hair etc. anyway. As there were no
major female characters from the other ape groups I'm sure they
wouldn't have wasted money developing their appliances etc.
Then with the latter movies and TV show they probably just went with
what they already had, agin purely for monetary reasons.

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 1/17/2005 11:12:50 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Would this not be because of budget restrictions when they were
making the original movie though?

The reality is probably yes... But we are speculating here... It had been discussed on here and I think the other group, that it's more than likely the Gorillas and Orangs keep their females "subservient" to them, much in the way women are treated in the Middle East and China, etc...

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-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [jspy@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 4:05 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Michael Crawford's review of both Gorillas

This is weird.  Under florecent light, the cloth on the gorilla
looks black or a dark gray, but under incandecent light, I can see
that it's brown.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> Has anyone else received their gorilla?  I see in the review that
the
> cloth is brown.  The cloth on mine is black.  What color did
everyone
> else get?  Elaine?
>
> John O.

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In a message dated 1/17/2005 11:12:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Then with the latter movies and TV show they probably just went with
what they already had, agin purely for monetary reasons.

 

Except in Conquest.

Remember the Library Orang-ette.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "mike_oz2005" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>

-- Yes it was a great win by England over South Africa last night in
the 4th test wasn't it? Man of the match Matthew Hoggard, 7 wickets
in the 2nd innings to add to his 5 in the first, what a performance
and th...

Oh, not that sort of test? Sorry, I'll get my coat...

Neil ;-)

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In a message dated 1/18/2005 12:08:14 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

 

 

Don't edit yourself.

 

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This is a test of the secret message system.

This is only a test.

 

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In a message dated 1/18/2005 2:48:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Hey T! How did you do that!?!

The same way you did.

 

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Dario

Neil T Foster wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67902&item=3868079162&rd=1

 

I have never seen this one before, is it from one of the deleted scenes?

 

Neil

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/18/2005 8:18:38 AM Central Standard Time, ev001@... writes:

Isn't that Huston giving his speech in Battle? Nice picture.

That's Zaius!!!

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> Well they are excellent regardless. And from what I
> sampled briefly they are good quality. I had some
> copies of Return on tape I bought a few years ago but
> this DVD is much better. Have already printed out a
> cover and put them in with my collection. Thanks again
> Hunter!

My pleasure, Tim! I'm glad you're enjoying them. Naturally, I've
since found a couple of things I'd change if I were still working on
them, but I'm not, so there they are. 8-)

Hunter

Isn't that Huston giving his speech in Battle? Nice picture.

Dario

Neil T Foster wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=67902&item=3868079162&rd=1

 

I have never seen this one before, is it from one of the deleted scenes?

 

Neil

go vegetarian!

Very cool photo! One can always email the seller about where it's
from. Maybe he even has a few other unseen photos.

Mike

> I have never seen this one before, is it from one of the deleted scenes?
>
> Neil

Forwarded from a post James made to the pota group:

Thanks to the efforts of Dave Ballard, the Group Website now
features restored cover artwork from the U.S. Marvel magazines.
These covers have been lovingly restored to their original condition
unfettered with titles or test. Note: to provide some benchmarks,
several are still feature with text.

Also, included is the restored cover of House of Frankenstein
magazine. This cover was provided by Tim Parati and restored by Dave
as well.

The covers can be viewed here in the Cover Gallery of the Art & Info
section of the Group Website:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm .

These restored covers are all available on Hunter's great website as
well: http://www.goatley.com/pota/#comics

Hunter

I got a little inspired by that Zaius photo :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/Zrock.jpg

.html Wow these are awesome. I've always liked the Marvel covers and these cleaned up versions are fantastic.
Thanks to all involved expecially Dave for doing the cleanup work itself (not as easy as it looks I would imagine).

Dario

Hunter Goatley wrote:

Forwarded from a post James made to the pota group:

   Thanks to the efforts of Dave Ballard, the Group Website now
   features restored cover artwork from the U.S. Marvel magazines.
   These covers have been lovingly restored to their original condition
   unfettered with titles or test. Note: to provide some benchmarks,
   several are still feature with text.

   Also, included is the restored cover of House of Frankenstein
   magazine. This cover was provided by Tim Parati and restored by Dave
   as well.

   The covers can be viewed here in the Cover Gallery of the Art & Info
   section of the Group Website:
   http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/files/MainPage.htm .

   These restored covers are all available on Hunter's great website as
   well: http://www.goatley.com/pota/#comics

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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ROCK ON ZAIUS!!!! I thought this was pretty awesome.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> I agree. Put aside 'Going Home' and concentrate on

finishing 'Within.' With the introduction of Zaius into the story it
feels like all of the characters are now in place and the real
action is about to start.

-- And we were just about to finish! Quick Whitty, change the ending
and start writing some more stuff...

Neil ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New Comics on the Planet of the Apes

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I agree. Put aside 'Going Home' and concentrate on
finishing 'Within.' With the introduction of Zaius into the story it
feels like all of the characters are now in place and the real
action is about to start.

-- And we were just about to finish! Quick Whitty, change the ending
and start writing some more stuff...

Neil ;-)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> This is the best one yet. Thanks for doing these, Neil.

-- Thanks Greg, I really get a kick out of piecing these together. I
have a couple more that I have found from the first episode that I
want to do, so more coming soon!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 11:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> This is the best one yet. Thanks for doing these, Neil.

-- Thanks Greg, I really get a kick out of piecing these together. I
have a couple more that I have found from the first episode that I
want to do, so more coming soon!

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Neil, How did you even know that these are a big continuing

picture?

-- Because instead of just having a set background for each frame
like a lot of cartoons they actually pan along these ones. They do
it quite often, just like in movies.

Neil

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Hey everybody. This is probably a long shot , but does anybody in the group have or know where I can get the complete Star Trek Cartoons on DVD in top or decent quality? I know some are on E-bay, but most are not in the best condition.

 

Thanks --- Tony

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> Hey everybody. This is probably a long shot , but does anybody in the group
> have or know where I can get the complete Star Trek Cartoons on DVD in top or
> decent quality? I know some are on E-bay, but most are not in the best
> condition.

According to IGN Filmforce, these are being commercially released on
March 15, 2005.

Hunter

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
group.

File : /Bounty the Hunter.jpg
Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@...>
Description : A not quite serious comic strip

You can access this file at the URL:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Bounty%20the%20Hunter.jpg

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit:
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

munkeyman63au <nfoster@...>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
> group.
>
> File : /Bounty the Hunter.jpg
> Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@h...>
> Description : A not quite serious comic strip
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Bounty%20the%

20Hunter.jpg

--Just a word of explanation and warning. After all the bounty
hunter talk the other day I just had to get a strip out of my
system. It is just a bit of fun, I'm not having a go at anyone or
suggesting this is how any BH strip we may end up doing (if at all)
will look or anything.
It is just meant to be a bit of a laugh. If anyone is offended by it
or anything I apologise now, please be gentle with me! ;-)

Neil

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This'll keep those ape fashion consultants in line.
Q: What does a Gorilla bounty hunter wear?
A: Any damn thing he wants to wear!

Dario

Neil wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> This email message is a notification to let you know that
> a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
> group.
>
>   File        : /Bounty the Hunter.jpg
>   Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@h...>
>   Description : A not quite serious comic strip
>
> You can access this file at the URL:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Bounty%20the%
20Hunter.jpg

--Just a word of explanation and warning. After all the bounty
hunter talk the other day I just had to get a strip out of my
system. It is just a bit of fun, I'm not having a go at anyone or
suggesting this is how any BH strip we may end up doing (if at all)
will look or anything.
It is just meant to be a bit of a laugh. If anyone is offended by it
or anything I apologise now, please be gentle with me! ;-)

Neil

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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hahah that's great- by the way the glyphs on the poncho were a fitting
idea there, Neil.

Mike

> --Just a word of explanation and warning. After all the bounty
> hunter talk the other day I just had to get a strip out of my
> system. It is just a bit of fun, I'm not having a go at anyone or
> suggesting this is how any BH strip we may end up doing (if at all)
> will look or anything.
> It is just meant to be a bit of a laugh. If anyone is offended by it
> or anything I apologise now, please be gentle with me! ;-)
>
> Neil

Thanks guys! I saw Zaius' arms in that pose and thought that he should
be rocking Ape City. The lawgiver's arm took more work though.

And I agree if we only had a larger image, I'd gladly make a complete
feaux rock poster/album cover. Maybe when there's another issue of the
Ape newspaper we'll see a concert ad for Zaius's debut.

Mike

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <doctahoot@y...> wrote:
> > I got a little inspired by that Zaius photo :)
> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/Zrock.jpg
>
> -- Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant, thanks Mike, it is now up on the
> Home Page:
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/
>
> It's a pity you didn't have a larger picture to work with as this would
> make a great poster!
>
> Neil

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Hunter,

 

Thanks, i didn't know of that. Forget the Star Trek question then.

 

Tony

 

 

 

 

 

In a message dated 1/18/2005 11:03:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

> Hey everybody. This is probably a long shot , but does anybody  in the group
> have or know where I can get the complete Star Trek Cartoons on DVD  in top or
> decent quality? I know some are on E-bay, but most are not in the best
> condition.

According to IGN Filmforce, these are being commercially released on
March 15, 2005.

Hunter

 

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> --Just a word of explanation and warning. After all the bounty
> hunter talk the other day I just had to get a strip out of my
> system.

That was great, Neil! Thanks!

Hunter

Stop being sorry! That was great.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> Stop being sorry! That was great.

-- Thanks all. What I am really sorry about is the crappy
little 'story'. I'm okay with the images but stories? no way! I just
had to get the images out of my head and it needed to have words on
it though!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Yeah Neil - and I see there is a sequel (or a re-imagining?)

planned?

-- well you always have to leave them open for a sequel don't you?
It will need a decent writer though...

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> Stop being sorry! That was great.

-- Thanks all. What I am really sorry about is the crappy
little 'story'. I'm okay with the images but stories? no way! I just
had to get the images out of my head and it needed to have words on
it though!

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:

>Q: What does a Gorilla bounty hunter wear?

A: Any damn thing he wants to wear!

-- Ha, I like that, this could become his tag line!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Yeah Neil - and I see there is a sequel (or a re-imagining?)
planned?

-- well you always have to leave them open for a sequel don't you?
It will need a decent writer though...

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>Q: What does a Gorilla bounty hunter wear?
A: Any damn thing he wants to wear!

-- Ha, I like that, this could become his tag line!

Neil

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When are we (as in the group) going to start or finish reading and
discussing Pierre Boulle's novel? I just re-read it and now I have
an urge to have the whole DG read it and talk about it. Also looking
forward to seeing more drawings of Neil's.
Kasey/Undomiel

I just read chapters 1-4 for the first time ever
yes we should get back to discussing it
i'd like to learn !

> When are we (as in the group) going to start or finish reading and
> discussing Pierre Boulle's novel? I just re-read it and now I have
> an urge to have the whole DG read it and talk about it. Also looking
> forward to seeing more drawings of Neil's.
> Kasey/Undomiel
>
>

I know I'm gonna make alot of people (and Rory) mad but I was never a
big fan of Boulle's novel. I guess because I was introduced to the
ideas in the movie first. Aside from the title and a few of the names
there really isn't alot in common between the novel and the movie. I
believe the characters in the movie are easier to identify with. I
guess a a young child I was looking to escape into sci-fi stories
because of that awkward feeling of not belonging or understanding my
fellow man. Much as Taylor seemed to. I couldn't relate to Ulysse on
any real level. I pay much respect to Pierre Boulle for starting the
whole APES phenom. but I am glad for the talented people who changed
and shaped his vision into the stories I love.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Hoknes <terryhoknes@s...> wrote:

> I just read chapters 1-4 for the first time ever
> yes we should get back to discussing it
> i'd like to learn !
>
>
> > When are we (as in the group) going to start or finish reading

and

> > discussing Pierre Boulle's novel? I just re-read it and now I

have

> > an urge to have the whole DG read it and talk about it. Also

looking

> > forward to seeing more drawings of Neil's.
> > Kasey/Undomiel

I just purchased a beautiful old hardcover edition of this novel and
I have to say --- it's wonderful.

Let's not forget the individual by the name of Xan Fielding, who, in
1963, translated it for us from the original French.

God -- this is a good book!

Mark T-B.

Guys,

I just had the pleasure of picking up 2 of the Apes tv series "90-
minuters" from a dealer on Ebay ON 16MM FILM!!!!

OK - granted. The first one I got (cutdown of THE HORSE RACE and
THE TYRANT) and the second one I'm still to win (a cutdown of THE
GLADIATORS and THE LEGACY) ----

--- but who wants to come round to my house to see THE LEGACY
projected ten feet wide on the wall....!!!

Fan-tas-tic.

Mark T-B.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Arwen Undomiel [elfgirl_06@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 11:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Boulle Novel?

When are we (as in the group) going to start or finish reading and
discussing Pierre Boulle's novel? I just re-read it and now I have
an urge to have the whole DG read it and talk about it. Also looking
forward to seeing more drawings of Neil's.
Kasey/Undomiel

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-----Original Message-----
From: John [DrZaiusDavis@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:51 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle Novel?

I know I'm gonna make alot of people (and Rory) mad but I was never a
big fan of Boulle's novel. I guess because I was introduced to the
ideas in the movie first. Aside from the title and a few of the names
there really isn't alot in common between the novel and the movie. I
believe the characters in the movie are easier to identify with. I
guess a a young child I was looking to escape into sci-fi stories
because of that awkward feeling of not belonging or understanding my
fellow man. Much as Taylor seemed to. I couldn't relate to Ulysse on
any real level. I pay much respect to Pierre Boulle for starting the
whole APES phenom. but I am glad for the talented people who changed
and shaped his vision into the stories I love.

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-----Original Message-----
From: steve
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: RE: Planet of the Apes Cards

It will be out in the spring. 9 behind-the-scenes cards, lots of
Linda Harrison. There will be a Linda Harrison autograph card and 2
costume cards, too.

-----Original message-----
From: "Whitty, Michael
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 17:50:28 -0500
To: "'Steve"
Subject: RE: Planet of the Apes Cards

> Hey Steve,
>
> Hope you had a great Christmas.
>
> Any word on the new POTA set?
>
> Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: sparkytb2005 [sparkytb@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 1:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Apes TV series on my wall

Guys,

I just had the pleasure of picking up 2 of the Apes tv series "90-
minuters" from a dealer on Ebay ON 16MM FILM!!!!

OK - granted.  The first one I got (cutdown of THE HORSE RACE and
THE TYRANT) and the second one I'm still to win (a cutdown of THE
GLADIATORS and THE LEGACY) ----

--- but who wants to come round to my house to see THE LEGACY
projected ten feet wide on the wall....!!!

Fan-tas-tic.

Mark T-B.

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I guess that I can relate better to anything in print. I like the
freedom of imagining characters the way that I thought they should
look. Books allow you to do more than movies do. As much as I love
the movies I absolutely hate to watch tv or movies. ;) Novels aren't
for everyone and neither are movies. I really enjoy reading other
people's opinions about the novel and I like having to think and put
things in a different light.
Kasey/Undomiel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I agree John and so do many here.
>
> My philosophy is that to really encapsulate POTA it is important

to start

> with the novel and see how and why much was changed for the movie,

which is

> why I wanted to analyse the novel in small chunks.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John [DrZaiusDavis@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:51 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle Novel?
>
>
>
> I know I'm gonna make alot of people (and Rory) mad but I was

never a

> big fan of Boulle's novel. I guess because I was introduced to the
> ideas in the movie first. Aside from the title and a few of the

names

> there really isn't alot in common between the novel and the movie.

I

> believe the characters in the movie are easier to identify with. I
> guess a a young child I was looking to escape into sci-fi stories
> because of that awkward feeling of not belonging or understanding

my

> fellow man. Much as Taylor seemed to. I couldn't relate to Ulysse

on

> any real level. I pay much respect to Pierre Boulle for starting

the

> whole APES phenom. but I am glad for the talented people who

changed

> and shaped his vision into the stories I love.
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: Arwen Undomiel [elfgirl_06@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 2:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle Novel!

I guess that I can relate better to anything in print. I like the
freedom of imagining characters the way that I thought they should
look. Books allow you to do more than movies do. As much as I love
the movies I absolutely hate to watch tv or movies. ;) Novels aren't
for everyone and neither are movies. I really enjoy reading other
people's opinions about the novel and I like having to think and put
things in a different light.
Kasey/Undomiel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> I agree John and so do many here.
> 
> My philosophy is that to really encapsulate POTA it is important
to start
> with the novel and see how and why much was changed for the movie,
which is
> why I wanted to analyse the novel in small chunks.
> 
> Michael

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I agree John and so do many here.

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I like the novel, but as French literature it's too over the top to be made into a movie as is.  Maybe that 'O Apes' speech plays in French.  But in English, it's just too cornball.

 

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In a message dated 1/19/2005 7:54:56 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I know I'm gonna make alot of people (and Rory) mad but I was never a
big fan of Boulle's novel

I don't think so.

Even Boulle felt it was one of his lesser works.

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Well, I did suggest that "there is enough evidence in the
movies to conclude that they may have actually been quite equal."

We can assume a number of different things by the lack of presence
of Ape women in the movies. We could assume that they are too
darned busy keeping the Ape world running to bother going out
hunting (obviously a sport and not necessary to sustain life). The
Ape women that we do see are doing important work. The men seem to
be busy playing and talking and philosophizing. Who is employed in
the manufacturing of weapons? Who is growing the food? Yes, there
are farms. Who organized the planting, growing, harvesting, and
selling of the corn that the male gorillas are destroying during the
hunt? If the men were in charge of it, they wouldn't be mindlessly
driving their horses through the food supply, hacking down the
stalks. I'm guessing the women were more vested in it than the men.

Obviously the women in the veterinary world were equal doing
whatever jobs they did. Equality doesn't mean that someone of a
different gender won't have a position of authority over you. It
just means that you won't be denied a similar position of authority
because of your gender. A person isn't by definition less equal
because of the job they are doing. They may just have different
training for a different job. Are male nurses less equal than
female doctors? That would be silly.

Cornelius is actually somewhat flustered in his attempts to get Zira
to comply with him. If the Ape world had been one where women were
typically subservient, he would more likely have rolled his eyes and
ignored her or been somewhat condescending to her or even scolded
her for being out of line. He really wasn't like that. He was
almost ineffectual.

I know that different ones of us will perceive something different
when observing the same events in a movie, but I think it's
important not to draw conclusions about what we think may have
happened by what we think might have been meant by something that we
assume could have happened. Ummm... just a thought.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/17/2005 11:11:57 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> > I'm curious what you have seen that makes you think Ape women
> > weren't/aren't equal. I think there is enough evidence in the
> > movies to conclude that they may have actually been quite equal.
>
> What have I seen to presume not all apes are equal: Lack of female
Gorillas
> and Orangs for one... Had they been "equals" they would have been
seen in
> public, not all "hidden at home"... Chimp females are out in with
the males of
> their species because they are fighting for their equality... The
other two
> species seem to keep their females on the homefront...
>
> What evidence do you see in the films to make you think that all
the females
> are "equals" and making strides in their society?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/12/05 12:08:01 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > *** Ernest Borgnine would've made a good gorilla. I could easily

imagine him portraying Julius, or some other somewhat amiable working-
class gorilla.

> >
> > Patrick

-------------------------------------------------------------

> (what the **** was that
> actor's name? he also played Clarence Boddicker in "ROBOCOP" --
> magnificently; he's currently the dad on "THAT 70'S SHOW" doing
> comedy).

Kurtwood Smith.

> Bob Hoskins (is that his name? he's the guy who starred in "WHO
> FRAMED ROGER RABBIT?" and can currently be seen in "BEYOND THE SEA"
> as one of Bobby Darin's entourage)

Yes, that's his name.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/12/2005 11:10:55 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> But Ape clothes, well, I think they'd do better to use the hides

of horses who've outlived their prime. Cows, too. Where else did the
Apes get all that LEATHER, d'ya suppose? They made use of the hides
of animals. And they considered Man to be an animal, remember. When
Zira says, "I wonder how [Taylor]'d do on a Hopkins Manual Dexterity
test..." Zaius exclaims incredulously, "An ANIMAL???"

>
>
>
> I think that leather was a prized commodity. That's why the
> more important an Orang was the more glyphs he had. It
> was a status symbol, since they weren't raising cattle for
> beef. Like Lucias said, "Whaddya expect? An Ape's new
> suit?" No doubt they were expensive. They may have only
> had a good one and an everyday one. You may have noticed
> that Zira's old jacket was nowhere to be seen in Escape. It
> was probably left behind in favor of her good one. More likely
> they just made new ones for that movie, but it makes a nice
> backstory.

*** Remember the scene where Taylor busts loose, to avoid gettin'
gelded? At one point, he dashes through the Market/Bazaar at the Ape
City city-center -- where he grabs a pole holding up a canopy, that
he uses to whack the horse-riding gorilla. If I remember right, he
goes right past a rack of Ape clothing-for-sale -- I think they're
all chimp-green duds hanging up, ready-for-sale [I'll have to pop it
in soon and check...].

Come to think of it, the fruit Taylor is pelted with comes from this
Market -- all the apes grab stuff to chuck at Chuck... and I wonder
if the monkeys who OWN that food-for-sale are pissed at having their
products used as projectiles -- without any ape PAYING for 'em?!

Did they ever get reimbursed for the damage to their goods? Did the
crowd bother to pick up all the fruit from the ground, once the
gorillas dragged Taylor off, and give it back to the vendor?

Hmmm... I wonder if Taylor was pelted by any opers? They grow on the
West Coast, in 3085... I wonder if there are any oper crops in the
East Coast area in 3955? Hmmm...

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 1/13/2005 4:24:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> rvt@t... writes:
>
> Hopkins Manual Dexterity Test
>
>
> Nearly every reference I can find refers to
> as the Minnesota Manual Dexterity Test.
> Though it is the sort of thing they do at
> John Hopkins University. I can't quite
> imagine an Ape named Hopkins.

*** That is one detail on the original "PLANET" that's always bugged
me! Zira mentions a "HOPKINS manual dexterity test"... shouldn't
Taylor wonder about this? Sure, he's hearing APES (Earth-native
creatures) speaking ENGLISH, fer chrissakes... but when Zira refers
to a "manual dexterity test" as a HOPKINS one, shouldn't that be
cause for wonder?

If Taylor had been given a trumpet to play, and had played some jazz
music, and Zira had wondered, "I wonder how he'd do at the Monterey
Jazz Festival--?", it'd be just as incongruous. Taylor would then
KNOW that he's back on Earth, and not on some planet hundreds of
lightyears away.

I think Kim's line should've ditched the "Hopkins" part and just
jumped to the "manual dexterity test" bit. And I agree: the
name "Hopkins" just doesn't sound like a POTA ape-name. It should be
classical Greek or Latin or (if it's a grunt gorilla's name) some
bisyllable like "Zako" or "Neema". "Hopkins" just doesn't 'feel'
right. And it's too reminiscent of 'JOHN HOPKINS UNIVERSITY', where
this manual dexterity test probably derives from.

Patrick

I agree...altho I enjoy both immensely and want you to
continue both....and add a few more NEW ones!!

Tim

--- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

>
> We've gotten so far into the build up for the
> "Within" comic it would
> be nice to see what unfolds before starting up with
> the new "going
> Home" story.
>
>
>
>

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.html The original movie also reflects the times in this country. Zira is a strong character because she is a major character in the book but otherwise female apes are rare. one can speculate like you have what they are doing and I too speculate that there maybe females performing unusual jobs for their gender. Elaine<.html

Keep in mind Zira's speech to the BAY AREA WOMEN'S CLUB in "ESCAPE".
She makes it clear that there certainly was male chauvinism in the
society she came from. "A marriage bed is made for two... but every
damn morning it's the woman who has to make it!"

I suspect that most Ape women are "housewives", dominated by their
husbands. The reason so many chimp females are to be seen is that the
chimpanzees in general are LIBERAL in their philosophical leanings:
they would be the first type of ape to extend equality to their
females. The conservative orangs and gorillas would tend to keep
their females as "homebodies".

I think it'd be interesting to see what orang and gorilla females
think of chimpanzee female accomplishment -- do they ENVY them? do
they look down on them for abandoning their "place" in the societal
structure as the "subordinates" to the dominant males? I would tend
to view the orang and gorilla females as submissive to the wills of
their male counterparts, the same way that First Lady Bush is
obviously subordinate to President Dubya -- the way that Hilary
RODHAM Clinton was NOT subordinate to President Bubba.

But it would also be interesting to contemplate female gorillas (for
example) from past times -- such as during Race Wars against humans
prior to the loss of speech by the 'beasts'. I could imagine female
gorillas fightin' alongside their males, the way Celtic women did. If
a Race War -- Humans vs. Apes -- were to exPLODE into horrific
violence, then I don't think the gorilla females would just cower in
the corner. But, once the war was won -- by the Apes, of course --
then they would go back to their roles as home-makers, subservient to
the dominant and domineering males -- goaded into doing so, perhaps,
from 'conservative ideology'.

This is a topic that really should get some more input from others
here, IMHO.

Patrick

Hmmmm.

Maybe Zira is having a bit of trouble adjusting to life as a
newlywedded chimp... BTW: Equality is when you get up in the
morning and, if you want your bed straight when you get back in, you
make your half. You straighten your nightstand and kick your
slippers under the bed so you don't trip later on. Then you go
about your day. What happens on the other side is someone else's
business. Control is when you either demand that the other person
conform to your vision or you go over to the other side and force
compliance. (As Zira does by making the WHOLE bed!)

Maybe chimp women haven't yet achieved the same status that gorilla
and orang women have.

Maybe she's just had a really bad day.

You're still assuming that the chimps were MORE equal than gorillas
and orangs. Maybe that just isn't so.

--Helen





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> Keep in mind Zira's speech to the BAY AREA WOMEN'S CLUB

in "ESCAPE".

> She makes it clear that there certainly was male chauvinism in the
> society she came from. "A marriage bed is made for two... but

every

> damn morning it's the woman who has to make it!"
>

>
> I think it'd be interesting to see what orang and gorilla females
> think of chimpanzee female accomplishment -- do they ENVY them? do
> they look down on them for abandoning their "place" in the

societal

> structure as the "subordinates" to the dominant males? >
> This is a topic that really should get some more input from others
> here, IMHO.
>
> Patrick
>

Hilarious!!!!!
Tim--- Mike <doctahoot@...> wrote:

>
> I got a little inspired by that Zaius photo :)
>

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v249/verde1/Zrock.jpg

>
>
>
>

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> Hmmmm.
>
> Maybe Zira is having a bit of trouble adjusting to life as a

newlywedded chimp... BTW: Equality is when you get up in the
morning and, if you want your bed straight when you get back in, you
make your half. You straighten your nightstand and kick your
slippers under the bed so you don't trip later on. Then you go about
your day. What happens on the other side is someone else's
business. Control is when you either demand that the other person
conform to your vision or you go over to the other side and force
compliance. (As Zira does by making the WHOLE bed!)

>
> Maybe chimp women haven't yet achieved the same status that gorilla

and orang women have.

>
> Maybe she's just had a really bad day.
>
> You're still assuming that the chimps were MORE equal than gorillas

and orangs. Maybe that just isn't so.

>
> --Helen

*** I think my assumption is that within the chimpanzee community the
females are accorded more opportunities, such as the chance to have a
professional career -- be it in a scientific endeavor, like Zira's
animal psychology or Kira's medical practice or Carsia's overseeing
of Leuric's glider-making, etc etc.

Perhaps there are occupations/careers where orangutan females and
gorilla females can distinguish themselves in -- jobs that we never
get to see (unfortunately), due to their having nothing to do with
the plots of the stories. Absence of evidence ain't evidence of
absence, I'll agree.

But it seems a bit conspicuous that ALL of the female apes who have
any sort of career at all are ALL of the chimpanzee group. I don't
get the impression that male chimps FORCE their females to go into
the workforce: after all, Zira and Kira are both DOCTORS -- they are
academically accomplished females. In times past, the ONLY human
women who ever could become accomplished in a similar manner were
those who were born to privilege -- the aristocracy (women like Queen
Elizabeth the 1st come to mind). The enfranchisement of women,
historically speaking, is a rather recent accomplishment; and women
from certain cultural backgrounds have an advantage over women from
other backgrounds -- just compare the strides women have made in
Western nations (like the USA or France or Britain), as opposed to
women in nations dominated by aggressively patriarchal groups (like
the Taliban government of Afghanistan, recently overthrown).

Remember, POTA was conceived as a satire on OUR society. It behooves
us to compare the chimps/orangs/gorillas of POTA with their
corresponding 'targets' from the real world:
the 'liberals'/'conservatives'/'working-class+military. Zira, as a
chimp, is part of the 'liberal' group of Apes. Zaius' granddaughter,
being a member of the 'conservative' group of Apes, would have a
vastly different set of circumstances to look forward to.

Think of it this way: Jane Fonda was a 'chimp'-type female, and
Phyllis Schaffley was an 'orangutan'-type female. Jane Fonda, in the
60's, represented the 'women's liberation'-era Modern Woman, as
opposed to the types Phyllis Schaffley represented: the attempt to
keep women in their 'status-quo' position as Wife and Mother -- i.e.
as a non-professional 'traditional' type of woman. Jane would've been
a bra-burner, pro-Birth Control, pro-Roe-v-Wade, pro-Equal Rights
Amendment. Phyllis Schaffley wasn't that type!

Regarding your definition of "Equality" above, though, keep in mind
that Zira tells the BAY AREA WOMEN'S CLUB that although "a marriage
bed is made for two, every damn morning it's the woman who HAS to
make it!" I emphasized the word "has": it is considered an
OBLIGATION, not a mark of "equality". Wives in Ape City are not
privileged to make both THEIR side of the bed AND their husband's
side -- they HAVE to do this (figuratively speaking). Zira was using
a specific instance (bed-making) to illustrate a generalized
condition of Ape women: they HAVE to fulfill a role dictated to them
by the males of their society. That's why she THEN says, "We have
HEADS as well as HANDS! I call upon men to let us USE them!" (that
is, to use their HEADS, not to use their men!)

To "LET" them use their heads. The implication is that ape females,
as a rule, were NOT permitted by the empowered males to pursue
intellectually stimulating careers... except for chimpanzees, of
course. At least to a certain degree. As Cornelius says to his
fiancee, "We BOTH have fine futures: Marriage... STIMULATING
CAREERS... I'm up for a raise--!"

Do orangutan females or gorillas have 'stimulating careers' in Ape
City? We never see any evidence for it. The ONLY non-chimp ape female
we ever see (that I can recall) is the widow being mourned in the Ape
funeral service ("... he was a gorilla to remember... CHERISHED
HUSBAND, generous master; yes, he was a font of simian kindness...").

We are all free to imagine the situations faced by the female
orangutans and gorillas, of course. Given the nature of POTA's satire
of our society's different factions ("liberal"-vs-"conservative",
etc), I think it's more likely that only the chimp females enjoy any
degree of intellectual fulfillment, due to the liberal attitudes of
the male chimps. The male chimps evidently are not (or, perhaps,
are "less") threatened by the notion of empowered females than are
the other two Ape 'races'. The virtual invisibility of females from
the orangutan and gorilla factions, to me, speaks volumes. And not
just of the notion of make-up stinginess on the part of the
production teams responsible for POTA.

In the TV show, one -- just ONE -- female gorilla is ever referenced:
Urko's wife, Elta. She is referenced once -- just ONCE! But she is
never seen. Never referred to again, not even casually, in passing.
She's never seen visiting Urko in his office, or accompanying him on
his sojourns to the various prefectures to enjoy his success at horse
racing. Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. If it weren't for Burke needing to
find out something about Urko that he could convey in Morse Code to
Virdon, to prove Urko is still living, WE WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW that
Urko HAD a wife, let alone her name. Burke, upon being asked Urko's
wife's name, bangs on the girder the code for her name. She exists,
she has a name... but that is ALL we ever get to know about this ONLY
gorilla female to HAVE a name we can know.

In "BATTLE", at the scene where the entire community of Apes are
chanting "Ape has killed Ape!" at Aldo... the ONLY female apes we see
are chimpanzees. Lisa, and a couple other female chimps. No orangutan
females. No gorilla females. They MUST exist... but we don't see
them, not even in this pivotal scene, where ALL the apes "join the
human race" by acknowledging the "original sin" of ape-on-ape murder.

The producers went out of their way to have orientals amongst the
humans in the corral -- to remind us of the internment of Japanese
during World War II, most probably (as Eric Greene points out in his
book). They could have gone out of their way to do make-ups for at
least ONE female orangutan and ONE female gorilla -- so that those
two could represent ALL female orangutans and gorillas.

But they didn't. And THAT, to me, speaks volumes about the status of
females in those two branches of the simian society. Chimp females
have it relatively good -- though they aren't 100% equal to their
male counterparts. They certainly have it better than their simian
sisters.

Patrick
> >

Zira's eyebrows seem to change throughout the episode
i'm not sure if its supposed to be her eyebrows or shadowing/shading

> I got my "Return" DVDs yesterday and finally after 30 years of waiting
> I was able to watch these ape toons!
>
> Thanks a million to Hunter for collecting/editing/producing these, all
> the people who contributed tape sources and to Terry for copying and
> distributing them.
>
> I only watched the first episode "Flames of Doom" so far. The
> animation while sketchy in some places was actually a lot better than
> I imagined it would be. The intro was great and I thought the
> accompanying music was great (different enough to be original but
> definitely inspired by the movie soundtracks).
>
> A few notes:
> - The opening shot of the astronauts in the spaceship doesn't mention
> anything about the mission, just about the time dilation. We do
> however clearly see that the planet they are falling towards is earth
> with a clear distinctive North America outline. Once in the desert,
> they comment that they do not know where (althought Judy mentions that
> it looks like a familiar place). In the end the just say they are
> going to head out "whereever they are". So it isn't 100% clear from
> this episode alone that the astronauts even know they are on Earth.
>
> - One one Astronauts mentions that they are now in the year 3979. But
> to emphasize this the show his LED watch which simple displays the
> year as 79. Duh! Yeah he could have deduced it from the ships
> chronometer, but why show a wristwatch? And if the wristwatch was
> supposed to be a more sophisticated scientifc timepiece, then it
> should have displayed all the digits in the year. (I dunno, it just
> bothered me...)
>
> - At the begining when we first see Cornelius making a speech in the
> 'courtroom', the image sometimes switches to "Zira" and she has bushy
> eyebrows that would make Brooke Shields and Groucho Marx blush. I mean
> these were BIG. Later on when Zira is shown the massive eyebrows are
> gone. Was this just a mistake for those first few scenes or was that
> not supposed to be Zira at all?
>
> I hope that all the others who've ordered copies get theirs soon to
> and we can comment on them. I guess mine arrived earlier since I'm in
> Canada too, although I don't think it should take more than a day or
> so at least for US deliveries. Those 'across the pond' (in either
> direction) may have to wait longer.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Zira's eyebrows seem to change throughout the episode
> i'm not sure if its supposed to be her eyebrows or shadowing/shading

The artwork for all of the characters varies wildly even within the
same scenes. This is especially noticeable in scenes with Zira and
Cornelius in their lab.

I'm glad you're enjoying the DVDs!

Hunter

.html Coming back to answer my own question, that's exactly the conclusion that I arrived at when watching the second episode. I noticed that Zaius had a distinct different look depending on the angle, but in his case it was more obvious that it was really supposed to be shading under the brow ridge.

Dario

Hoknes wrote:

Zira's eyebrows seem to change throughout the episode
i'm not sure if its supposed to be her eyebrows or shadowing/shading



> I got my "Return" DVDs yesterday and finally after 30 years of waiting
> I was able to watch these ape toons!
>
> Thanks a million to Hunter for collecting/editing/producing these, all
> the people who contributed tape sources and to Terry for copying and
> distributing them.
>
> I only watched the first episode "Flames of Doom" so far. The
> animation while sketchy in some places was actually a lot better than
> I imagined it would be. The intro was great and I thought the
> accompanying music was great (different enough to be original but
> definitely inspired by the movie soundtracks).
>
> A few notes:
> - The opening shot of the astronauts in the spaceship doesn't mention
> anything about the mission, just about the time dilation. We do
> however clearly see that the planet they are falling towards is earth
> with a clear distinctive North America outline. Once in the desert,
> they comment that they do not know where (althought Judy mentions that
> it looks like a familiar place). In the end the just say they are
> going to head out "whereever they are". So it isn't 100% clear from
> this episode alone that the astronauts even know they are on Earth.
>
> - One one Astronauts mentions that they are now in the year 3979. But
> to emphasize this the show his LED watch which simple displays the
> year as 79. Duh! Yeah he could have deduced it from the ships
> chronometer, but why show a wristwatch? And if the wristwatch was
> supposed to be a more sophisticated scientifc timepiece, then it
> should have displayed all the digits in the year. (I dunno, it just
> bothered me...)
>
> - At the begining when we first see Cornelius making a speech in the
> 'courtroom', the image sometimes switches to "Zira" and she has bushy
> eyebrows that would make Brooke Shields and Groucho Marx blush. I mean
> these were BIG. Later on when Zira is shown the massive eyebrows are
> gone. Was this just a mistake for those first few scenes or was that
> not supposed to be Zira at all?
>
> I hope that all the others who've ordered copies get theirs soon to
> and we can comment on them. I guess mine arrived earlier since I'm in
> Canada too, although I don't think it should take more than a day or
> so at least for US deliveries. Those 'across the pond' (in either
> direction) may have to wait longer.
>
>

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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Anyone know the exact name for the type of overall green used on the
typical Chimp suits?

Thanks to Greg P., Marvel UK issue 14 is now available for download:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hunter

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 8:04:17 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

If the Ape world had been one where women were
typically subservient, he would more likely have rolled his eyes and
ignored her or been somewhat condescending to her or even scolded
her for being out of line.  He really wasn't like that.  He was
almost ineffectual.

 

He did talk about them both having "fine futures",  stimulating careers, marriage, a raise . . . Evidently she would continue to work.  So, in edition to being a hot little Minky, as a animal psychologist she's bringing in the big bucks, making her a good catch.  Otherwise he would have dumped her when she started in with the human who could write.  She may have been making more than him.  I'm not sure what they, or archeologists, make.  Anyone know?

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Zaius made no protest when Cornelius claimed to have hit her for her
behaviour during Ursus's speech. He expects a husband to control his
wife in public, and to punish her for misbehaving (but not to the point
of abuse).

Cornelius treats Zira as an equal because he chooses to do so. He
doesn't want to control her, but he expects her to control her own
behaviour so that the illusion of male dominance is maintained. Her
refusal to maintain the illusion is what flusters him, not her
insubordination.

On Jan 20, 2005, at 7:42 AM, ape_mom wrote:

> Cornelius is actually somewhat flustered in his attempts to get Zira
> to comply with him. If the Ape world had been one where women were
> typically subservient, he would more likely have rolled his eyes and
> ignored her or been somewhat condescending to her or even scolded
> her for being out of line. He really wasn't like that. He was
> almost ineffectual.

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 10:22:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, goathunter@... writes:

Kurtwood Smith.

So much like my Dad it's scary.

 

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OK -- You make a very good point. I'm not convinced, though, that
there is enough evidence to prove inequality, if that is even a
cncept that would come up in Ape "society"... It may just be
Zaius's own personal issues that cause him to respond as he does.
(He does have issues, you know.)

We know that in "real life" female apes learn faster, use tools
sooner, and take responsibility earlier than males. [They're
smarter ;) ] The lack of females might be attributed to something
entirely different. The fact that they aren't visible makes me
believe that (were this not a movie) they were not servant
homemakers. I'd sooner think that the majority of women had died of
some sort of female genetic disorder or something. (Notice no large
population of child apes either!) I think equality or lack thereof
isn't actually the issue -- although it is easy in a male dominated
society (such as the DG) to get that impression. (Oh, sorry.)

Again, just my [argumentative] opinion based on what I have not
observed in the movies. ;)

--Helen





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@i...>
wrote:

> Zaius made no protest when Cornelius claimed to have hit her for

her

> behaviour during Ursus's speech. He expects a husband to control

his

> wife in public, and to punish her for misbehaving (but not to the

point

> of abuse).
>
> Cornelius treats Zira as an equal because he chooses to do so. He
> doesn't want to control her, but he expects her to control her own
> behaviour so that the illusion of male dominance is maintained.

Her

> refusal to maintain the illusion is what flusters him, not her
> insubordination.
>
> On Jan 20, 2005, at 7:42 AM, ape_mom wrote:
>
> > Cornelius is actually somewhat flustered in his attempts to get

Zira

> > to comply with him. If the Ape world had been one where women

were

> > typically subservient, he would more likely have rolled his eyes

and

> > ignored her or been somewhat condescending to her or even scolded
> > her for being out of line. He really wasn't like that. He was
> > almost ineffectual.

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 10:31:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

"I wonder how he'd do at the Monterey
Jazz Festival

Yeah, . . . Hopkins?  Not an Ape name.

At least most of the names are usual.

Zaius seems to be a take on Gaius. And

Zira is a name that hasn't been used for

nearly a hundred years.  And except for

Don Cornelius of Soul Train, I can't think

of a single Cornelius since Cornelius Vanderbilt!

 

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 10:47:12 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Keep in mind Zira's speech to the BAY AREA WOMEN'S CLUB in "ESCAPE".
She makes it clear that there certainly was male chauvinism in the
society she came from. "A marriage bed is made for two... but every
damn morning it's the woman who has to make it!"

 

I think that was specifically written for Kim.

Even Kim's daughter Kathy was a strong

female personality.  As an Ivy league lawyer

she successfully sued Mory's supper club to

accept female Yale student and faculty.

 

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Yes, I think women should have to use

their heads as well as their hands

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:09:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

Zira's eyebrows seem to change throughout the episode
i'm not sure if its supposed to be her eyebrows or shadowing/shading

Zira doesn't have eyebrows, just brow ridges.

 

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In a message dated 1/20/2005 2:09:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, terryhoknes@... writes:

Zira's eyebrows seem to change throughout the episode
i'm not sure if its supposed to be her eyebrows or shadowing/shading

Zira doesn't have eyebrows, just brow ridges.

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