So. We're at that time of the month when we have to motivate Michael
and Neil (kiss ass) and show that there are enough people in this
group who care. I promise that there are a great deal of us who know
how much time and energy the POTADG is taking from you guys. This is
a great, strong group with an incredible number of members
considering its not STAR WARS or STAR TREK. There are a core group
who post regularly but there are even more who enjoy the group who
maybe don't feel part of the inner circle and don't post often. I
know I used to feel like this. This group is a fantastic source for
POTA info. and even more impressive are the original projects the
group is resposible for. You guys should be proud of all you've done.
I've been a Planet of the Apes fan for 32 yrs. and clubs and fan
groups seem to come and go but I really think this group has a large
and talented fan base that could keep it going for as long as you two
are still having fun and are enjoying what you are doing. When you
are no longer doing this because you love doing it, it will no longer
be exciting for the rest of us to be involved. Yes, there are other
POTA groups out there. Yes, some of us may bounce from group to group
to see what is going on in the POTA universe but that should never
take away from what you've got here in the POTADG.
--- The Good Dr.Zaius Davis

.html So Michael, you made the monkey photograph his butt, you didn't photograph yours!?? Elaine<.html

.html Of course Thade would be jumping around, nostrils flaring and throwing crap,he is a real chimp! Elaine<.html

.html On a sadder note , it looks like for former 'official' site ( The Official Linda Harrison Site) has lapsed it registration.
Thanks to Greg we can at least get of glimpse of that Cosmo cover!

Dario

Greg Plonowski wrote:

John:

 

Try here: http://www.cultsirens.com/harrison/harrison.htm

 

Or here: http://www.swinginchicks.com/linda_harrison.htm

 

Links courtesy of a Google search using Linda Harrison Cosmopolitan.

 

Greg P.

branchbrood <branchbrood93@...> wrote:

Now my last request Well I'm lookin' for a Scan of the Jan' 1970
Cover of the Ladie's Magazine "Cosmopolitian" This Issue Features a
Smokin' HOT Pic of the Gorgeous Linda Harrison displaying the most
Perfect Cleavage I think I've EVER Seen! I'm Sorry to sound like a
Perverted Pig BUT in my defense I first saw this shot in a Collection
of Photos Signed and For Sale BY Ms. HARRISON PERSONALLY!! So if She
has no problem with this Picture HOW could I? LOL Anyhoo If you have
a Jpeg or something I'd love to get a Download PLEASE CONTACT ME AT
branchbrood93@... OR through here of course! Hey thank you Oh
and I'm gonna try to send ONE of these Kit Photos Lets see if it
makes it.

Thanks again for such a Great resource
JOHN aka LONFAN (Huge Lon Chaney Fan lol)

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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.html Just for the record, I just received a set of these from Terry just yesterday, and they are really cool. I spent a few minutes reading some of the panels where the text is obvious and it was fun reading the german translations. (I do speak a little, make that VERY little, german, but most of it is gibberish to me)
I was curious as to whether the character names would be different (they are not). Also, they took the pains to reword the signage (ex the many alert messages that come on the Icarus panels as it descends/crashes).
But like others have mentioned, the colorized panels alone make these worthwhile acquisitions.

Dario

Hoknes wrote:

I have 3 complete sets of the german magazines from 1975 if anyone is interested

 

 

-- Thanks for that Alan, I had completely forgotten all about those German reprints. I don't have any my self but did find this site ages ago that has the covers and a few of the coloured pages:

http://www.wmca.de/checklisten/pda.htm

 

I am glad that I  had kept the link to it as it is well worth a look around. Now if we can just talk Whitty into hunting them down and buying them... ;-)

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

<.html

The following PotaDG poll is now closed. Here are the
final results:


POLL QUESTION: Sideshow has created an action figure
of a marauding gorilla. He doesn't have
a name so let's name him.

CHOICES AND RESULTS
- Sampson, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Hercules, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Alfredo, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Malachi, 4 votes, 50.00%
- Zeke, 2 votes, 25.00%
- Koffi, 0 votes, 0.00%
- Fluffy Primate, 1 votes, 12.50%
- none of the above, 1 votes, 12.50%



For more information about this group, please visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG

For help with Yahoo! Groups, please visit
http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Thank You ...And One more Request please

John:

 

Try here: http://www.cultsirens.com/harrison/harrison.htm

 

Or here: http://www.swinginchicks.com/linda_harrison.htm

 

Links courtesy of a Google search using Linda Harrison Cosmopolitan.

 

Greg P.

branchbrood <branchbrood93@...> wrote:

Now my last request Well I'm lookin' for a Scan of the Jan' 1970
Cover of the Ladie's Magazine "Cosmopolitian" This Issue Features a
Smokin' HOT Pic of the Gorgeous Linda Harrison displaying the most
Perfect Cleavage I think I've EVER Seen! I'm Sorry to sound like a
Perverted Pig BUT in my defense I first saw this shot in a Collection
of Photos Signed and For Sale BY Ms. HARRISON PERSONALLY!! So if She
has no problem with this Picture HOW could I? LOL Anyhoo If you have
a Jpeg or something I'd love to get a Download PLEASE CONTACT ME AT
branchbrood93@... OR through here of course! Hey thank you Oh
and I'm gonna try to send ONE of these Kit Photos Lets see if it
makes it.

Thanks again for such a Great resource
JOHN aka LONFAN (Huge Lon Chaney Fan lol)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Monkey Planet group reading

 

Now, if it was a chimp who was loyal to Ursus (or Marcus), who broke the species barrier and joined the police force, and who happened to share the same name as the character from PotA2001, that might be okay.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John [DrZaiusDavis@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet group reading

So. We're at that time of the month when we have to motivate Michael
and Neil (kiss ass) and show that there are enough people in this
group who care. I promise that there are a great deal of us who know
how much time and energy the POTADG is taking from you guys. This is
a great, strong group with an incredible number of members
considering its not STAR WARS or STAR TREK. There are a core group
who post regularly but there are even more who enjoy the group who
maybe don't feel part of the inner circle and don't post often. I
know I used to feel like this. This group is a fantastic source for
POTA info. and even more impressive are the original projects the
group is resposible for. You guys should be proud of all you've done.
I've been a Planet of the Apes fan for 32 yrs. and clubs and fan
groups seem to come and go but I really think this group has a large
and talented fan base that could keep it going for as long as you two
are still having fun and are enjoying what you are doing. When you
are no longer doing this because you love doing it, it will no longer
be exciting for the rest of us to be involved. Yes, there are other
POTA groups out there. Yes, some of us may bounce from group to group
to see what is going on in the POTA universe but that should never
take away from what you've got here in the POTADG.
                   --- The Good Dr.Zaius Davis

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:14 PM
To: POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Speaking of other approaches, I have discovered a fascinating article about the (then) forthcoming Oliver Stone Planet of the Apes re-(make, imagining?).

Lot's of people were attached to the projectEven Schwartzenegger before is heart trouble.

Chris Columbus and James Cameron were also slated to direct at one time.  Neithe of which could have done much worse.

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Arnie's web site actually mentioned in 1998 that POTA was his next movie and Cameron was directing.    Still not sure if Arnie was to be a "Taylor" or an ape?!?!?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:14 PM
To: POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Speaking of other approaches, I have discovered a fascinating article about the (then) forthcoming Oliver Stone Planet of the Apes re-(make, imagining?).

Lot's of people were attached to the projectEven Schwartzenegger before is heart trouble.

Chris Columbus and James Cameron were also slated to direct at one time.  Neithe  of which could have done much worse.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

i always thought he was meant to be an astronaut

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Arnie's web site actually mentioned in 1998 that POTA was his next movie and Cameron was directing.    Still not sure if Arnie was to be a "Taylor" or an ape?!?!?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:14 PM
To: POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Speaking of other approaches, I have discovered a fascinating article about the (then) forthcoming Oliver Stone Planet of the Apes re-(make, imagining?).

Lot's of people were attached to the projectEven Schwartzenegger before is heart trouble.

Chris Columbus and James Cameron were also slated to direct at one time.  Neithe of which could have done much worse.

<.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 6:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The German comics reprints

Just for the record, I just received a set of these from Terry just yesterday, and they are really cool. I spent a few minutes reading some of the panels where the text is obvious and it was fun reading the german translations. (I do speak a little, make that VERY little, german, but most of it is gibberish to me)
I was curious as to whether the character names would be different (they are not). Also, they took the pains to reword the signage (ex the many alert messages that come on the Icarus panels as it descends/crashes).
But like others have mentioned, the colorized panels alone make these worthwhile acquisitions.

Dario

Hoknes wrote:

I have 3 complete sets of the german magazines from 1975 if anyone is interested

 

 

-- Thanks for that Alan, I had completely forgotten all about those German reprints. I don't have any my self but did find this site ages ago that has the covers and a few of the coloured pages:

<.html

.html Huge guy is Michael Clarke Duncan.

For what it's worth, I too recall that Arnie was slated to play 'taylor' equivalent human based on the info that used to appear on the site that was keeping tabs on the many twists to the PotA movie. But my memory probably isn't any better than yours.

Dario

Whitty, Michael wrote:

Me too - but with the big guy (name?) who played Attar it makes me wonder if they wanted a big guy gorilla!

 

Funny  can't remember his name - after "the Green MIle" I tipped him to be huge!  Well, he is HUGE, but I mean I thought he would become a huge star!

 

Does anyone have a record of what role he was to play?

 

I wish I had kept a copy of the web-site page because I do seem to recall it MIGHT have said he was cast as "human".  But don't place too much emphasis on my memory!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: ron kenner [mailto:brindlepit2002@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 7:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] RE: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

i always thought he was meant to be an astronaut

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Arnie's web site actually mentioned in 1998 that POTA was his next movie and Cameron was directing.   Still not sure if Arnie was to be a "Taylor" or an ape?!?!?

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [ mailto:LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:14 PM
To: POTA_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [POTA_Phenomenon] The Burton Factory

In a message dated 2/7/2005 7:03:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Speaking of other approaches, I have discovered a fascinating article about the (then) forthcoming Oliver Stone Planet of the Apes re-(make, imagining?).

Lot's of people were attached to the projectEven Schwartzenegger before is heart trouble.

Chris Columbus and James Cameron were also slated to direct at one time.  Neithe of which could have done much worse.

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

<.html

As it looks like we won't be getting a new Apes movie anytime soon
and definitely not a TV series I was thinking maybe the way forward
could be a new animated show.

With the advances in animation techniques and the use of more
serious stories these days maybe this would be the best way forward?
It would appeal to us older fans and may even grab the attention of
the younger generations.

This may even be the way to go with a faithful adaption of Monkey
Planet?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] New ape directions

As it looks like we won't be getting a new Apes movie anytime soon
and definitely not a TV series I was thinking maybe the way forward
could be a new animated show.

With the advances in animation techniques and the use of more
serious stories these days maybe this would be the best way forward?
It would appeal to us older fans and may even grab the attention of
the younger generations.

This may even be the way to go with a faithful adaption of Monkey
Planet?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] The Arnie Factory

Huge guy is Michael Clarke Duncan.

For what it's worth, I too recall that Arnie was slated to play 'taylor' equivalent human based on the info that used to appear on the site that was keeping tabs on the many twists to the PotA movie. But my memory probably isn't any better than yours.

Dario

Whitty, Michael wrote:

Me too - but with the big guy (name?) who played Attar it makes me wonder if they wanted a big guy gorilla!

 

Funny  can't remember his name - after "the Green MIle" I tipped him to be huge!  Well, he is HUGE, but I mean I thought he would become a huge star!

 

Does anyone have a record of what role he was to play?

 

I wish I had kept a copy of the web-site page because I do seem to recall it MIGHT have said he was cast as "human".  But don't place too much emphasis on my memory!

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: taebokitti@... [taebokitti@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 5:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Collectibles

So Michael, you made the monkey photograph his butt, you didn't photograph yours!?? Elaine

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> So. We're at that time of the month when we have to motivate

Michael and Neil (kiss ass) and show that there are enough people in
this group who care. I promise that there are a great deal of us who
know how much time and energy the POTADG is taking from you guys.

-- Thanks John I appreciate your comments but I have never been one
who needs to have his 'ass kissed' and unlike some I don't even mind
getting criticism.

This is a great Group that has achieved and delivered many great
things over the past couple of years, things that many Apes fans
know they would never have seen without the involvement of many
talented people. Yes we have had people who have tried to rock the
boat and ruin all the hard work that many people have put in to
various projects. So be it, some people will never appreciate what
they've got or had and the rest of us can do nothing about that.

What I would like to see though is a bit more of an involvement from
those who do 'sit on the sidelines watching the game'. We don't
bite!.. well maybe that chimp sitting just over there... ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet group reading

-- Thanks John I appreciate your comments but I have never been one
who needs to have his 'ass kissed'

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I like mine to be FRENCH kissed! ;)

-- I wasn't going to mention anything about yours! Unlike a recent
accusation levelled at us elsewhere I have absolutely no desire to
touch on that subject!! ;-)

Neil

> So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie? The
> technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A

story

> of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
>
> Neil

I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
toys. All I need is you!

Matt

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-----Original Message-----
From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies

> So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie? The
> technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A
story
> of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
>
> Neil

I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
toys. All I need is you!

Matt

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet group reading

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> I like mine to be FRENCH kissed!  ;)

-- I wasn't going to mention anything about yours! Unlike a recent
accusation levelled at us elsewhere I have absolutely no desire to
touch on that subject!! ;-)

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

>AND steal the DG list, steal all the files

-- Which reminds me, did you give him permission to take our Going
Home PDF from the files section and put it in the POTA group's files
back on the 18th of December?
I know nobody asked me if it would be okay to do so.

Neil

No, I did not give him permission.

The group owner, David, wisely allowed me to announce the new comic
and place a link to the DG.

James did not want people to see what a great group this is so he
stole the file and placed it on his group.

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> >AND steal the DG list, steal all the files
>
> -- Which reminds me, did you give him permission to take our Going
> Home PDF from the files section and put it in the POTA group's
files
> back on the 18th of December?
> I know nobody asked me if it would be okay to do so.
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
wrote:

> I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the

toys. All I need is you!

Matt, you pay our airfares and accomodation and we're there! Hey,
I'll even work for free. ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Neil [nfoster@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:34 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
wrote:
> I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
toys. All I need is you!

Matt, you pay our airfares and accomodation and we're there! Hey,
I'll even work for free. ;-)

Neil

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I was subscribed to the other group, but I wasn't reading or receiving
their posts. I have just unsubscribed.

I am amazed by the talent and creativity of the members here in the
PotaDG. I also deeply appreciate the generosity of those who share
their efforts, their time, and their webspace with us. Although I'm
not a fan of the mailing list format, and it irks me sometimes to have
to sift through the irrelevant chatter that comes through the PotADG, I
plan to be a member of this group as long as it exists. I hope it will
be here for many more years.

Anthony

On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> And for you lot to be there supporting them.....well, it makes me
> wonder how bad you are going to hurt when Neil and I leave forever and
> you get to wait on James' lame projects. And now you'll realise WHY.

Not yet. With Mardi Gras sometimes the mail gets a little backed up
due to parades and street closings etc. Even though its not a Federal
holiday it might as well be down here. I can't wait to check out the
printed version.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony B. McElveen [abmac@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Monkey Planet group ranting

I was subscribed to the other group, but I wasn't reading or receiving
their posts. I have just unsubscribed.

I am amazed by the talent and creativity of the members here in the
PotaDG. I also deeply appreciate the generosity of those who share
their efforts, their time, and their webspace with us.  Although I'm
not a fan of the mailing list format, and it irks me sometimes to have
to sift through the irrelevant chatter that comes through the PotADG, I
plan to be a member of this group as long as it exists. I hope it will
be here for many more years.

Anthony

On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> And for you lot to be there supporting them.....well, it makes me
> wonder how bad you are going to hurt when Neil and I leave forever and
> you get to wait on James' lame projects.  And now you'll realise WHY.

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Hey. I was hoping you guys would take my comments the right way. I
love this group and hate it when you guys start to get discouraged. I
have just really started to get comfortable in the group and if there
is anything I can contribute, I'm at your service.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John [DrZaiusDavis@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet group reading

Hey. I was hoping you guys would take my comments the right way. I
love this group and hate it when you guys start to get discouraged. I
have just really started to get comfortable in the group and if there
is anything I can contribute, I'm at your service.

This is a good example of a point I've made before. I've been a
member of this group for a while now but only recently have felt
comfortable getting involved. It seemed that there were private
little conversations going on that I had to sift through to get to
the post that actually interested me. Now that I know more of the
members and feel more included, some of those conversations are the
most fun. My suggestion is that everyone who is enjoying this site
try to get involved. We all know we have something in common. Just a
post here and there to let everybody know that you are out there and
before you know it, there will be nobody 'standing on the sidelines'
feeling left out. -- The good Dr. Zaius Davis

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-----Original Message-----
From: John [DrZaiusDavis@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 1:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet group ranting

This is a good example of a point I've made before. I've been a
member of this group for a while now but only recently have felt
comfortable getting involved. It seemed that there were private
little conversations going on that I had to sift through to get to
the post that actually interested me. Now that I know more of the
members and feel more included, some of those conversations are the
most fun. My suggestion is that everyone who is enjoying this site
try to get involved. We all know we have something in common. Just a
post here and there to let everybody know that you are out there and
before you know it, there will be nobody 'standing on the sidelines'
feeling left out. --  The good Dr. Zaius Davis

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Greg,

Is the text for card 11 (defiant chimps) an error or
a "summarization"? Cuz Zira was only going to stand - for her
principals when Ursus was making his speech.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

I don't mean to be critical, of course. These cards are great! When
the hell do you sleep?!

John O.

Greg,

Is the text for card 11 (defiant chimps) an error or
a "summarization"? Cuz Zira was only going to stand - for her
principals when Ursus was making his speech.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

I don't mean to be critical, of course. These cards are great! When
the hell do you sleep?!

John O.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beneath cards

John:

 

Glad you like the cards. It's a summarization, basically getting across the point that Zira is rebellious and willful and that makes Cornelius nervous. I felt that Zira's extended applause was the more rebellious action than her refusal to stand at the end of the speech, and it flowed well from the previous card with Dr. Zaius' introduction. I'd pretty much covered Ursus speech on earlier cards, and there didn't seem to be a graceful way of returning to it one more time in the space available.

 

I did have to cut quite a bit to get the entire story down to 44 cards (actually 43 since card 44 is a 'behind-the-scenes' card like it was in the first set). When I was first contemplating doing these sets I considered doing one massive 132 card set for all 4 films, with 33 cards devoted to each film, figuring that because the sequels were shorter they would need fewer cards than the first film. Thankfully Neil convinced me that each film deserved it's own 44-card set.

 

Greg

"John O." <jspy@...> wrote:

Greg,

Is the text for card 11 (defiant chimps) an error or
a "summarization"? Cuz Zira was only going to stand - for her
principals when Ursus was making his speech.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

I don't mean to be critical, of course. These cards are great! When
the hell do you sleep?!

John O.

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In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:32:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

I felt that Zira's extended applause was the more rebellious action than her refusal to stand at the end of the speech, and it flowed well from the previous card with Dr. Zaius' introduction.

 

Zaius must have cut them a lot of slack for her to have applauded him like that.  Especially since he threatened them with a charge of treason.

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From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 3:53 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beneath cards

In a message dated 2/8/2005 10:32:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

I felt that Zira's extended applause was the more rebellious action than her refusal to stand at the end of the speech, and it flowed well from the previous card with Dr. Zaius' introduction.

 

Zaius must have cut them a lot of slack for her to have applauded him like that.  Especially since he threatened them with a charge of treason.

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.html.html In a message dated 2/8/2005 3:27:42 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

As it looks like we won't be getting a new Apes movie anytime soon
and definitely not a TV series I was thinking maybe the way forward
could be a new animated show.

*** Where did yu see/hear this bit of info?

This may even be the way to go with a faithful adaption of Monkey
Planet?

*** I still think MONKEY PLANET would work best as a graphic novel...

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http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hold on a second. Am I getting this right? I really don't know
anything about the trading cards, so this may be a little silly.
But am I understanding it right that these aren't copies of an
already produced trading card? These are original works by our own
Neil Foster and Greg Plownowski?

That's amazing! It just dawned on me this minute that might be the
case. Congratulations, guys! These are great!

Helen

In the Beneath script, Cornelius says "The price we paid for our
freedom was the vow to you to never disclose our discovery that man
evolved from the apes". Even without this in the movie, it's
obvious some kind of arrangement was made. I don't think this is an
inconsistency.

John O.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> That's another inconsistency isn't it?
>
> So many interesting things were just abandoned weren't they?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> Zaius must have cut them a lot of slack for her to have applauded

him like

> that. Especially since he threatened them with a charge of

treason.

>

.html I would rather see more ape comics,novels,audio books etc than another movie. When I go into a bookstore and see entire shelves of Star Trek novels,Star Wars novels and Babylon Five novels, I just wish pota could have the same and some of these be written by fans. Elaine<.html

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hold on a second. Am I getting this right? I really don't know
anything about the trading cards, so this may be a little silly.
But am I understanding it right that these aren't copies of an
already produced trading card? These are original works by our own
Neil Foster and Greg Plownowski?

That's amazing! It just dawned on me this minute that might be the
case. Congratulations, guys! These are great!

Helen

.html That's right Helen!  These are original creations from these guys. It's great to see these. But since I don't have the means to reproduce these into actual cardboard cards, (at least for the time being), it's a 'sad' kind of joy.

Nice work guys and once thanks once again to Hunter for hosting them.

Dario

ape_mom wrote:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hold on a second.  Am I getting this right?  I really don't know
anything about the trading cards, so this may be a little silly. 
But am I understanding it right that these aren't copies of an
already produced trading card?  These are original works by our own
Neil Foster and Greg Plownowski? 

That's amazing!  It just dawned on me this minute that might be the
case.  Congratulations, guys!  These are great! 

Helen

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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I know it sounds st*pid, but I never picked up on that. You guys do
so much stuff that a lot gets by me. Anyway... Nice job, guys!
I'm impressed.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> That's right, Helen. The same is true for the 2nd series TV
trading cards on Kassidy's site. After I completed those I contacted
Neil to ask if he'd be interested in trying to copy the art style on
the original Topps movie cards to make sequel sets. He was thrilled
with the idea and before I knew it he already had the first one done
and the rest quickly followed. My part is taking a little longer,
but hopefully in a few months we'll have the sets Topps should have
produced for all of the films.
>
> Greg
>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Hold on a second. Am I getting this right? I really don't know
> anything about the trading cards, so this may be a little silly.
> But am I understanding it right that these aren't copies of an
> already produced trading card? These are original works by our own
> Neil Foster and Greg Plownowski?
>
> That's amazing! It just dawned on me this minute that might be the
> case. Congratulations, guys! These are great!
>
> Helen

I understand what you are saying. Same here. I wonder what it
would cost to just hire a printer to print some up for everyone?
I'm guessing it could be done.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:
>
That's right Helen! These are original creations from these guys.
It's great to see these. But since I don't have the means to
reproduce these into actual cardboard cards, (at least for the time
being), it's a 'sad' kind of joy.

Nice work guys and once thanks once again to Hunter for hosting them.

Dario

I understand what you are saying. Same here. I wonder what it
would cost to just hire a printer to print some up for everyone?
I'm guessing it could be done.

Helen

That stinks. What if someone had some printed as a gift to a bunch
of friends? Is that legal?

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> It's a legal issue. I work with several printers and none of them
would touch this unless I could show that I had a license from Fox
to manufacture and distribute these. Right now Rittenhouse has the
license from Fox for Apes cards. Even if I could find a printer
willing to look the other way on the legalities, if Rittenhouse
discovered I was printing and selling these I'm sure they'd be none
too happy.
>
> Greg
>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
>
>
> I understand what you are saying. Same here. I wonder what it
> would cost to just hire a printer to print some up for everyone?
> I'm guessing it could be done.
>
> Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sotis_matthew" <sotis_matthew@y...>
> wrote:
> > I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
> toys. All I need is you!
>
> Matt, you pay our airfares and accomodation and we're there! Hey,
> I'll even work for free. ;-)
>
> Neil

Neil, Sounds like you guys are from another jungle beyond the
forbidden zone... Wait, let me check my lotto tickets to see if I can
afford this,... schucks! :]
Matt

Michael, That brings up some interesting script ideas.
Are you guys willing to make that flight in full costume? ;\
Matt



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Jeez!
>
> Sounds like a plan - but we need sponsorship from an International

Airline!

>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
>
>
>
>
> > So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie?

The

> > technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A
> story
> > of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
> >
> > Neil
>
> I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
> toys. All I need is you!
>
> Matt
>
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In a message dated 2/9/2005 8:51:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I understand what you are saying.  Same here.  I wonder what it
would cost to just hire a printer to print some up for everyone? 
I'm guessing it could be done.

 

You can pick up a printer for the price of a couple of ink

cartridges these days.And sheets of biz card stock is

less than 5 bucks.  That's what I'm going to do.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/5/2005 12:07:53 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> *** So far, I haven't found a single instance of the name Zira or

the name Zaius ANYWHERE outside of "PLANET OF THE APES". Not to say
either of 'em isn't to be found, but my guess is that Boulle invented
those names

>
>
>
> I thought you were a smart guy Pat. Now I know you're an idiot. Oh

sure, you type good. And spout theory as fact, but allow me to
Illucidate to you.

*** T, the word "illucidate" ain't in the f***ing dictionary. Perhaps
you mean "elucidate" or "illuminate". If so, you haven't done either
(as I'll remark below).
---------------------------------------------------

>
> 1. Zira cigarettes were around back around the turn of the century.

People still collect the silks that came with them even today.

*** As Jerry Seinfeld might ask, "Who ARE these people?!"

When I did a Google-search on the words "Zaius" and "Zira" I found
that, lo and behold, there were 32,500 'hits' for "Zaius" and (gasp!)
329,000 'hits' for "Zira"! Maybe if I had slogged through all those
329,000 g**d***ed weblinks, I just MIGHT have found that "Zira
cigarettes" link -- MAYBE! Oh, YOU knew about 'em, perhaps because
you smoke cigarettes, I'm guessing; but I don't smoke (never have,
never will) and wouldn't THINK to do a Google search on "Zira AND
cigarettes". At least such a search might've narrowed it down to a
few relevant links, rather than the 329,000 links that just "Zira"
brings up. Jeez! Do you honestly think that Boulle named his
chimpanzee heroine after a brand of cigarettes? You tell me, T: are
those "turn of the century" cigarettes named after any specific
person/place/thing? Or is that name merely a random 4-letter
combination? A pack of Camels has a picture of either a camel in
profile or "Joe Camel" (an anthropomorphic cartoon camel), right? Did
those "Zira" cigarettes have a chimp on 'em as their logo mascot? If
so, then MAYBE Boulle would've thought to name a female chimp in his
satire "Zira", but as far as I'm concerned the pre-existence of this
cigarette brand sure seems like mere coincidence.
------------------------------------------------------------

>
> 2. I've seen old public records of people named Zira a hundred

years ago.

*** Show me a link, T. When I Google "Zira", the first couple hundred
links all seem to be POTA-related ones -- and it sorta leaves the
impression that ONLY in POTA-related links is "Zira" to be found.

>
> 3. A male form of Zira, Zerah, can be found in the bible.

*** A "male form of Zira"? T, YOU'RE the idiot here. Certain names
are either masculine or feminine forms of a name -- names like
ANTONIUS and ANTONIA, MICHAEL and MICHELLE, CLAUDIUS and CLAUDIA,
etc. But "Zerah" in the Bible is NOT a "male form" of a name which
also has a "female form". Besides, the ENGLISH spelling of that name
that you've given -- "Zerah" -- is NOT how it is spelled in Hebrew;
the name is first given in "GENESIS" 38:30, and it is spelled "Z-R-
Ch" -- Hebrew uses consonants only, except when the Masoretic Text
inserts those little dots & dashes to aid pronunciation. And, in the
Masoretic Text of "GENESIS 38:30, the vowels fill-up the name so that
it SHOULD properly transliterate into English as "ZaRaCh". It rhymes
with "Bach" & "Mach" & "Loch". It's pronounced "Zah-RAHKH". And I
already covered that bit of Hebrew before, if you'll bother to reread
my post!

If you'd bother to read the story in "GENESIS", you'll find
that "Zerah"/"Zarach" is named that for a REASON. His mother, Tamar,
had been 'gotten' with TWINS:

"As she was giving birth, one of them put out his hand; so the
midwife took a scarlet thread and tied it on his wrist and
said, "This one came out first." But when he drew back his hand, his
brother came out, and she said, "So this is how you have broken out!"
And he was named Perez [transliterates better as "PaReTs"]. Then his
brother, who had the SCARLET thread on his wrist, came out and he was
given the name Zerah ["ZaRaCh"]." ("GENESIS 38:27-30, my emphasis
on "scarlet").

In other words, T, Zerah got his name because the SCARLET-colored
thread that the midwife tied to his wrist is reminiscent of the DAWN,
because the eastern horizon is RED-colored due to the symbolic birth
of the Sun every day (this is a birth story, you know); Renaissance-
era poets always waxed rhapsodic about "ROSY-FINGERED DAWN" etc etc.
Similarly, Perez/PaReTs is named what he's named because the Hebrew
root P-R-Ts means "to BREAK" -- which is why the midwife says to
him, "So this is how you have BROKEN out!"

I had already covered the "dawn"-meanings of the Hebrew words that
are SIMILAR to the name "Zira", and that includes the name Zerah, if
you take into account its true Hebrew spelling. But make no mistake,
T, "Zerah" is NOT a "male" version of the name "Zira". Depending on
how you (mis-)pronounce it, it CAN sound a bit like it, but that's
all. The name "Zira" is NOT derived from it, at least explicitly.
Unless Boulle was thinking that his chimpette character represented
the Idea of "light-scattering"/"illuminating"/"dawn-like" -- which is
iffy at best -- then there is no Hebrew word or name that Boulle
might've used when coming up with the name.

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>
> 4. And lastly, anyone who's seen the Lion King knows they had a

character named Zira. I haven't seen it and even I know that. I also
have an old ice cream top I bought on eBay that has a leopard named
Zira, not from the Lion King, and way older than Planet of the Apes.

*** T, T, T... are you seriously saying that Pierre Boulle, prior to
the 1963 publication of "La Planete des Singes", named his female
chimpanzee character "Zira" after a character in a Disney film that
wouldn't be in existence for DECADES??? Maybe the writers of "The
Lion King" named their character after Zira from POTA, but it can't
have been the other way around -- not unless "The Lion King" movie
was based on a book written prior to 1963, with the "Zira" character
in it. I haven't seen "The Lion King" either, but I had heard (when
it came out) that it was a wholly original story, and not one based
on some prior-existing fairy tale (like "Cinderella" or "Aladdin").

And this "leapard named Zira" from "an old ice cream top" you bought
on eBay that is "way older than" POTA... Jesus H. Christ, T, who
other than YOU and the guy or gal you bought it from even KNOWS about
that obscure item?! You make it sound like Zira the Leopard is as
popular as Tony the Tiger. Well, I've never heard of this Zira-the-
Leopard character before, and I doubt that 1 in a BILLION people on
this planet has either. Tell me, T, is this leopard character
depicted as a male or a female? Do YOU think that Boulle based HIS
Zira on her/him/it? Did you find this eBay item by doing a Google
search or on an eBay search? Just where the HELL did you come across
it, and why is it that you expect ME to have known about it?

Oh, as I read down below, you think I'm supposed to be a "know-it-
all" -- or that I think of myself as one. But I don't.

----------------------------------------------------------

> 5. This proves your research is shallow, since a simple Google

search would turn up this last fact on the first page.

*** Which "last fact" are you referring to? The "Lion King" Zira or
the Zira-the-Leopard ice cream top? The "Lion King" Zira does NOT
predate Boulle's novel, so it DOESN'T COUNT. When I did a Google
search on "Zira", I did NOT find that damned Leopard ice cream
thingy. And, hey, I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to surf
through over 300,000 Google weblinks in order to find that Zira-the-
Leopard ice cream top thing. But, hey, feel free to crucify me for it!

---------------------------------------------------------

> You speak with authority, but it all seems hollow now, since you

obviously have no idea what you're talking about, and can't be
bothered to spend as much time researching your topic as you do
typing about it.

*** Lastly, T, let me say this: I DID NOT CLAIM TO HAVE DONE ALL THE
RESEARCH ON "ZIRA" (AND "ZAIUS") THAT I WOULD EVER DO. I responded to
your initial post -- on researching "Zira" -- by firing off a post
that outlined the studies I've already done SO FAR, primarily by
looking through foreign language dictionaries and the like (Hebrew,
Greek, Latin, etc) that have been at my disposal because I own the
books in question.

I indicated that I had not done a COMPLETE search when I blatantly
referred to Boulle having served in Indochina -- where he MAY have
come across a place-name (or such) during his World War Two
experiences, which he MAY have used. When I typed that line, I was
implying that WHEN my Zira-research should continue, it would
possibly be by following THAT particular possibility: Indochina
placenames.

I did NOT claim to have done any exhaustive/complete study of the
origins of the names "Zira" and "Zaius". I merely recapped my studies
of the matter UP TO THAT TIME. Read the first two f***ing words in my
last post that you've responded to above, T: what do they say?

"SO FAR"!

What the **** do you think that means?! It means what it OBVIOUSLY
means, you twit! It means that I've BEEN researching (off and on) the
names Boulle gave to his characters Zira AND Zaius AND Zoran AND
Zanam, and...

... wait for it...

... and SO FAR, Mr. Lord-T, I haven't found 'em outside of POTA
references.

Thanks for "illucidating" me on the ZIRA CIGARETTE thing, and that
Zira-the-Leopard ICE CREAM TOP (!!!!) thing, though. It sure seems
likely to me that Boulle named one of the major characters of his sci-
fi satire after a brand of cigarettes and/or a leopard mascot for an
ice cream brand... sure... and monkeys might fly outta my butt!

;)

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Good observation Patrick - I recently watched ST - TOS and I

wondered the very same myself!

>
> Denny Crane! (I just LOVE that line - the delivery is so much like

some Monty Python..just the delivery of normal words is HILARIOUS!).

*** There's one other 'connection' between "BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE
APES" and the STAR TREK episode "THE MENAGERIE": the name "Mendez".
In the Trek episode, Kirk and an illusionary "Commodore Mendez"
(played by Malachi Throne) fly after the Enterprise -- which Spock
has hijacked -- from Starbase 11 in a shuttlecraft, and the 3-officer
tribunal that presides over Spock's court-martial consists of Kirk,
the vegetable Capt. Pike, and the "not-really-there" Commodore
Mendez.

Did Dehn 'steal' the name "Mendez", too...?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >I know what you're all thinking: "GSRH RH DVRIW UFXPRMT HSRG, R'N
> GVOORMT BLF!"
>
> -- It sure is Patrick, but hey, mind that language! ;-)
>
> Mvro

*** Hey, you have to go out of your way to even KNOW it's an
expletive-laden sentence, "Mvro"!

Remember when Pink Floyd's "The Wall" album came out? There's some
backward-masking on one of the songs and, when you go to the trouble
to "decode" it, all it says is something like: "Congratulations, you
found the secret message," blah blah blah. You almost expect it to be
one of the secrets of the Universe... but it's nuthin. I had a friend
who had an old turntable that he could play records on backwards, but
I don't know how you'd go about playing a CD backwards. Is it even
possible? Probably not, but what do I know? I didn't even know that
Zira the Leopard sold ice cream!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/5/2005 6:34:06 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> PofTAfan@a... writes:
>
> There is also a town in the far northern part India called Zira

too.

>
>
>
> Actually it's across the border in Pakistan.
> But yet again another example that it is
> not a Boulle invention

*** In my "RAND McNALLY GOODE'S WORLD ATLAS" (17th Edition), the
Gazetteer mentions a "Zipaquira" and then a "Zirandaro" and
a "Zitacuaro"... but no "Zira" (I did check). Of course, my atlas
dates back to 1986, so maybe "Zira, Pakistan" was settled and named
since then. They probably named it after their favorite cigarette
brand, or their favorite ice cream brand's mascot. Or, hey, maybe
they're HUGE fans of PLANET OF THE APES, and named it after Kim's
character. In which case -- unlikely though it may be -- it would be
Boulle's invention that led to this name.

I wonder if Osama Bin Laden is hiding there?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

>
> Patrick, I think Boulle got the name Cornelius from "Lord Jim".

That was his favorite novel. One of the characters in one of
the "Lion King" video sequels is named Zira. I've never come across a
Zauis anywhere (or a Veetus). - - - Jeff

*** The "Lord Jim" source sounds possible -- even plausible, if it
indeed WAS Boulle's favorite novel. The name "Cornelius", of course,
predates Kipling by several thousand years, though. As I said,
there's a Cornelius in the New Testament, though he isn't a talking
ape!

By the way, "Zaius" is spelled Z-A-I-U-S, Jeff -- I know you're in
the habit of spellin' it Z-A-U-I-S, but you're transposing two of the
letters. Maybe your fingers get logjammed when you type it; when I
type the word "where" too fast, it usually comes out as "wehre", and
then I have to back-space and erase it & type it in again.

All the same, you don't wanna be dissin' that ape's name; he might
have one of his veterinary surgeons cut pieces outta you... or even
geld you... and we don't want THAT to happen now, do we?

Patrick ;)

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-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [jspy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

In the Beneath script, Cornelius says "The price we paid for our
freedom was the vow to you to never disclose our discovery that man
evolved from the apes".  Even without this in the movie, it's
obvious some kind of arrangement was made.  I don't think this is an
inconsistency.

John O.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> That's another inconsistency isn't it?
> 
> So many interesting things were just abandoned weren't they?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LordTZer0@A... [LordTZer0@A...]
> Zaius must have cut them a lot of slack for her to have applauded

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-----Original Message-----
From: taebokitti@... [taebokitti@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New ape directions

I would rather see more ape comics,novels,audio books etc than another movie. When I go into a bookstore and see entire shelves of Star Trek novels,Star Wars novels and Babylon Five novels, I just wish pota could have the same and some of these be written by fans. Elaine

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:32 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Beneath cards -- Original work???

That's right Helen!  These are original creations from these guys. It's great to see these. But since I don't have the means to reproduce these into actual cardboard cards, (at least for the time being), it's a 'sad' kind of joy.

Nice work guys and once thanks once again to Hunter for hosting them.

Dario

ape_mom wrote:

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Hold on a second.  Am I getting this right?  I really don't know
anything about the trading cards, so this may be a little silly. 
But am I understanding it right that these aren't copies of an
already produced trading card?  These are original works by our own
Neil Foster and Greg Plownowski? 

That's amazing!  It just dawned on me this minute that might be the
case.  Congratulations, guys!  These are great! 

Helen

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That was just too damn funny, Patrick (much better than your "Laura"
comment!), and it was properly ended with a ";)" But I'm kind of
dissapointed that you don't know everything.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> Thanks for "illucidating" me >
> ;)
>
> Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:28 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies

Michael, That brings up some interesting script ideas.
Are you guys willing to make that flight in full costume? ;\
Matt



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Jeez!
> 
> Sounds like a plan - but we need sponsorship from an International
Airline!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:52 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
>
>
>
>
> > So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie?
The
> > technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A
> story
> > of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
> >
> > Neil
>
> I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
> toys. All I need is you!
>
> Matt

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Monkey Planet group reading

You mean, like a fan fiction piece? Did it already. The story on the backs of the 2nd series TV cards that are on Kassidy's site was my first ever attempt at fan fiction. True, it's not the most conventional format, but it is an original story.

 

I do have an idea for a TV fan fiction which woudl be in a more traditional prose format, but I want to finish the card sets before I put any time into it.

 

Greg

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Greg, you really should take some time and write a bit.

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You can record sound to a .wav file, and you can reverse .wav files
with the sound recorder that comes with Windows.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> I don't know how you'd go about playing a CD backwards. Is it even
> possible? Probably not, but what do I know? I didn't even know that
> Zira the Leopard sold ice cream!
>
> Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [jspy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Zira, Dawn, etc... and a Cipher

That was just too damn funny, Patrick (much better than your "Laura"
comment!), and it was properly ended with a ";)"  But I'm kind of
dissapointed that you don't know everything.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> Thanks for "illucidating" me >
> ;)
>
> Patrick

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-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [jspy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 7:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Zira, Dawn, etc... and a Cipher - OT

You can record sound to a .wav file, and you can reverse .wav files
with the sound recorder that comes with Windows.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> I don't know how you'd go about playing a CD backwards. Is it even
> possible? Probably not, but what do I know? I didn't even know that
> Zira the Leopard sold ice cream!
>
> Patrick

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.html To be fair, Heston did not want to do the sequel at all, but felt that since Zanuck went ahead with the first movie, where so many other studios had rejected it, he wanted to return the favor when asked to reprise his role. I believe he also only took 'scale' wages and even donated that to charity. Asking for to world to be blown up at the end was rather a clever idea, so he thought at the time. But being SF, that did not put a stop to the series. :)

Look at it this way, by blowing up the world, he forced the writers to evolve the series into a radical new direction which in the end, I believe, was actually a positive thing. No point in discussing the pros and cons of ESCAPE (some loved it, some hated it) but at least it wasn't a sequel that was set in familiar territory. If he hadn't destroyed earth, the 3rd movie in the series could have been yet another shipload of astronauts meeting strange speaking apes.

Dario

Whitty, Michael wrote:

Good point John.

 

However it remains an interesting topic that was abandoned.

 

I blame Charlton Heston, and his insistance that Beneath be the final movie.  Talk about a control freak!

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [mailto:jspy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 1:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

In the Beneath script, Cornelius says "The price we paid for our
freedom was the vow to you to never disclose our discovery that man
evolved from the apes".  Even without this in the movie, it's
obvious some kind of arrangement was made.  I don't think this is an
inconsistency.

John O.

--

Dario Sciola SDM/CBM Design Nortel Networks Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

darios@... (613) 763-5232 ESN: 393-5232 YIM: lmcdasc

Did you hear about the dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac? He was up all night wondering if there really was a dog!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario <ev001@n...> wrote:

> but at least it wasn't a sequel that was set in familiar

territory. If he hadn't destroyed earth, the 3rd movie in the series
could have been yet another shipload of astronauts meeting strange
speaking apes.

-- Excellent point Dario and one that I (and I suspect many others)
haven't really thought about. If it hadn't been forced into totally
different territory would we have got the next two movies? I don't
think so, like you say a 3rd one would most likely have been just
another variation on the stranded astronaut theme.

Maybe we have more to thank Heston for than we realise?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

To be fair, Heston did not want to do the sequel at all, but felt that since Zanuck went ahead with the first movie, where so many other studios had rejected it, he wanted to return the favor when asked to reprise his role. I believe he also only took 'scale' wages and even donated that to charity. Asking for to world to be blown up at the end was rather a clever idea, so he thought at the time. But being SF, that did not put a stop to the series. :)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dario [ev001@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 8:41 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

Look at it this way, by blowing up the world, he forced the writers to evolve the series into a radical new direction which in the end, I believe, was actually a positive thing. No point in discussing the pros and cons of ESCAPE (some loved it, some hated it) but at least it wasn't a sequel that was set in familiar territory. If he hadn't destroyed earth, the 3rd movie in the series could have been yet another shipload of astronauts meeting strange speaking apes.

Dario

Whitty, Michael wrote:

 

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By they way Neil, great work on the cards and wrapper - they both fit
perfectly with the original set. If you ever stop getting
compliments, it might be that everyone expects great work from you so
they're no longer surprised and don't comment on it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: John O. [jspy@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

By they way Neil, great work on the cards and wrapper - they both fit
perfectly with the original set.  If you ever stop getting
compliments, it might be that everyone expects great work from you so
they're no longer surprised and don't comment on it.

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Or because they are so authentic that they don't get the point! ;)

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> By they way Neil, great work on the cards and wrapper - they both
fit
> perfectly with the original set. If you ever stop getting
> compliments, it might be that everyone expects great work from you
so
> they're no longer surprised and don't comment on it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:38 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath cards

Or because they are so authentic that they don't get the point!  ;)

--Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:
>
> By they way Neil, great work on the cards and wrapper - they both
fit
> perfectly with the original set.  If you ever stop getting
> compliments, it might be that everyone expects great work from you
so
> they're no longer surprised and don't comment on it.

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:51:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** T, the word "illucidate" ain't in the f***ing dictionary. Perhaps
you mean "elucidate" or "illuminate". If so, you haven't done either
(as I'll remark below).

 

Yeah, I know.  .

The Pseudodictionary has it as:

 

illucidate - A cross between illuminate and elucidate.

e.g., Please, illucidate me.

I put it in there deliberately

I knew that would piss you off . . . alot. ; )

And yes, I know a lot isn't a word either.

I figured you're know I'd knew,

But I thought I'd say it anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:51:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

YOU knew about 'em, perhaps because
you smoke cigarettes, I'm guessing;

You guess wrong MuthaF***er!

Now, had you done some searches

on eBay of Zira you'd have know about them.

 

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:51:57 A.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

If so, then MAYBE Boulle would've thought to name a female chimp in his
satire "Zira", but as far as I'm concerned the pre-existence of this
cigarette brand sure seems like mere coincidence.

That's a cop out.

How could it be a coincidence

if, as you said he made it up. 

You don't like admitting when you're wrong.

Now you're back-peddling.

 

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 12:08:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I didn't even know that
Zira the Leopard sold ice cream!

 

It was part of a set of collectable lids with a circus theme.

 

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Hah! Sounds like time for yet another rewrite! I've been meaning
to present my story to you guys and let you go to town with the
screenplay, but have been avoiding that because i've been overwhelmed
with work.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I am! :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:28 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
>
>
>
> Michael, That brings up some interesting script ideas.
> Are you guys willing to make that flight in full costume? ;\
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Jeez!
> >
> > Sounds like a plan - but we need sponsorship from an

International

> Airline!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:52 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie?
> The
> > > technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A
> > story
> > > of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
> > >
> > > Neil
> >
> > I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
> > toys. All I need is you!
> >
> > Matt
>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 10:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies

Hah! Sounds like time for yet another rewrite! I've been meaning
to present my story to you guys and let you go to town with the
screenplay, but have been avoiding that because i've been overwhelmed
with work.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> I am!  :)
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 3:28 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
>
>
>
> Michael, That brings up some interesting script ideas.
> Are you guys willing to make that flight in full costume? ;\
> Matt
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Jeez!
> > 
> > Sounds like a plan - but we need sponsorship from an
International
> Airline!
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sotis_matthew [sotis_matthew@y...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 9:52 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: High quality home made movies
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > So when are we all going to make our own POTA home made movie?
> The
> > > technology exists for it to be done what else would we need. A
> > story
> > > of course, make-ups, costumes, actors?
> > >
> > > Neil
> >
> > I keep telling you guys to come up to New York. I've got all the
> > toys. All I need is you!
> >

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 12:26:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** In my "RAND McNALLY GOODE'S WORLD ATLAS" (17th Edition), the
Gazetteer mentions a "Zipaquira" and then a "Zirandaro" and
a "Zitacuaro"... but no "Zira" (I did check). Of course, my atlas
dates back to 1986, so maybe "Zira, Pakistan" was settled and named
since then. They probably named it after their favorite cigarette
brand, or their favorite ice cream brand's mascot. Or, hey, maybe
they're HUGE fans of PLANET OF THE APES, and named it after Kim's
character. In which case -- unlikely though it may be -- it would be
Boulle's invention that led to this name.

You need a better Atlas. 

My Atlas is at least ten years

older than that, and it's in there.

You're backpeddling again.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 5:18:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

And yes, I know a lot isn't a word either.

I meant alot.  My spellchecker must have fixed that.

 

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 12:24:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

By the way, "Zaius" is spelled Z-A-I-U-S

 

I still think it's just a letter substitution of

Julius Caesar's first name, Gaius.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 11:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] By the way, "Zaius" is spelled Z-A-I-U-S

In a message dated 2/9/2005 12:24:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

By the way, "Zaius" is spelled Z-A-I-U-S

 

I still think it's just a letter substitution of

Julius Caesar's first name, Gaius.

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This would be a nice present to give Linda!

I wonder if she would then feel obliged to sell our new script to her ex?

Michael

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 6:20:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Jeff thinks Brent's real name is Gaius!

 

Or would that be Gay-ass?

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In a message dated 2/9/2005 3:45:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, ev001@... writes:

I believe he also only took 'scale' wages and even donated that to charity.

He told Zanuck to donate whatever he thought it was worth to Harvard.  Not the Ivy League college, but a private school in LA that Zanuck had gone to, and Heston's son, Fraser, was attending at the time.

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What is going on with the Going Home comic??? Will it be updated
soon? I have been waiting but have never seen any more additions to
it?

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-----Original Message-----
From: luke_the_drifter52 [JLKINSER1970@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Going Home comic update

What is going on with the Going Home comic??? Will it be updated
soon? I have been waiting but have never seen any more additions to
it?

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In a message dated 2/10/2005 12:16:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Neil is too lazy to draw it!  ;)

 

With the quality of his work,

I'm happy for any comic he does.

I wish he'd do the storyboards for

my screenplay.  That was all

Arthur P. Jacobs started out with.

 

 

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Issue 17 is now available on Hunter's site.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

>
> Issue 17 is now available on Hunter's site.
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/

-Ooh goody! Mum, I'm just of to the newsagents... err, I mean
Hunter's site... Thanks!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:57 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Going Home comic update

In a message dated 2/10/2005 12:16:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Neil is too lazy to draw it!  ;)

 

With the quality of his work,

I'm happy for any comic he does.

I wish he'd do the storyboards for

my screenplay.  That was all

Arthur P. Jacobs started out with.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:38 AM
To: friends & fugitives; pota; PotaDG
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 17 now online

Issue 17 is now available on Hunter's site.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

 

Greg P.

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I am a member of both groups and get messages via
email and frankly I don't usually notice which group
they are coming from or which group threads are
running on. I was unaware of all the drama when the
split happened. Just know that by my belonging to the
other group as well as this great original one that I
am not dis respecting yopu or Neil in any way...I am
just a complete and hopless Apes addict and like to
get as much info as I can.....which is why I'm digging
through the last few days of posts ....MARDI GRAS was
great...now back to the real world....sigh...

Tim

- "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...> wrote:

> I was subscribed to the other group, but I wasn't
> reading or receiving
> their posts. I have just unsubscribed.
>
> I am amazed by the talent and creativity of the
> members here in the
> PotaDG. I also deeply appreciate the generosity of
> those who share
> their efforts, their time, and their webspace with
> us. Although I'm
> not a fan of the mailing list format, and it irks me
> sometimes to have
> to sift through the irrelevant chatter that comes
> through the PotADG, I
> plan to be a member of this group as long as it
> exists. I hope it will
> be here for many more years.
>
> Anthony
>
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
> > And for you lot to be there supporting
> them.....well, it makes me
> > wonder how bad you are going to hurt when Neil and
> I leave forever and
> > you get to wait on James' lame projects.� And now
> you'll realise WHY.
>

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