Thanks Tim, I appreciate that.

We love you too!

Come here you big lug!

;)

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" [apefan23@...]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Monkey Planet group ranting



I am a member of both groups and get messages via
email and frankly I don't usually notice which group
they are coming from or which group threads are
running on. I was unaware of all the drama when the
split happened. Just know that by my belonging to the
other group as well as this great original one that I
am not dis respecting yopu or Neil in any way...I am
just a complete and hopless Apes addict and like to
get as much info as I can.....which is why I'm digging
through the last few days of posts ....MARDI GRAS was
great...now back to the real world....sigh...

Tim

- "Anthony B. McElveen" <abmac@...> wrote:

> I was subscribed to the other group, but I wasn't
> reading or receiving
> their posts. I have just unsubscribed.
>
> I am amazed by the talent and creativity of the
> members here in the
> PotaDG. I also deeply appreciate the generosity of
> those who share
> their efforts, their time, and their webspace with
> us. Although I'm
> not a fan of the mailing list format, and it irks me
> sometimes to have
> to sift through the irrelevant chatter that comes
> through the PotADG, I
> plan to be a member of this group as long as it
> exists. I hope it will
> be here for many more years.
>
> Anthony
>
> On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:59 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
> > And for you lot to be there supporting
> them.....well, it makes me
> > wonder how bad you are going to hurt when Neil and
> I leave forever and
> > you get to wait on James' lame projects. And now
> you'll realise WHY.

One of the best things about getting home today was
that I had a huge package waiting for me. I can't
believe no one else has said anything about
this....Maybe I'm the only one to shell out the bucks
for it. All I can say is it is worth it. I've been
waiting for this for 30 years. I thought the Medicom
Lawgiver was the best thing we would get but this is
phenomanal...(spelling)
19" of Polystone 100% Lawgiver......I will be
surprised if people find anything wrong with this. It
looks very accurate to me. The box even has the
"Beware the Beast man" text printed on it. I hope
everyone gets one of these. Incidentally mine is no.
158 out of 750....Has anyone else gotten one of
these?????? I highly recommend them. I know it is
expensive but I have no family to spend money on so I
get it all for me!!!!!! Seriously, it is the best Apes
item to come out in many years......(besides the new
comics that is) ;)
Also got astronaut Taylor...he does look skinny! and
the paint job on his face isn't so hot.....

Tim



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-----Original Message-----
From: Tim "apefan" [apefan23@...]
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:11 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Lawgiver Statue

One of the best things about getting home today was
that I had a huge package waiting for me. I can't
believe no one else has said anything about
this....Maybe I'm the only one to shell out the bucks
for it. All I can say is it is worth it. I've been
waiting for this for 30 years. I thought the Medicom
Lawgiver was the best thing we would get but this is
phenomanal...(spelling)
19" of Polystone 100% Lawgiver......I will be
surprised if people find anything wrong with this. It
looks very accurate to me. The box even has the
"Beware the Beast man" text printed on it. I hope
everyone gets one of these. Incidentally mine is no.
158 out of 750....Has anyone else gotten one of
these?????? I highly recommend them. I know it is
expensive but I have no family to spend money on so I
get it all for me!!!!!! Seriously, it is the best Apes
item to come out in many years......(besides the new
comics that is) ;)
Also got astronaut Taylor...he does look skinny! and
the paint job on his face isn't so hot.....

Tim


           
__________________________________
Do

I got my Lawgiver also. Both of them. (I ordered two of them)
I also recieved an email from Sideshow that the Forbidden Zone
Taylor would be shipping soon.
I took the other TAylor out of the box and once you get him out of
the box and displayed, he really looks good. I think the Sideshow
line is 100% superior to the Medicom. I like their size

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> One of the best things about getting home today was
> that I had a huge package waiting for me. I can't
> believe no one else has said anything about
> this....Maybe I'm the only one to shell out the bucks
> for it. All I can say is it is worth it. I've been
> waiting for this for 30 years. I thought the Medicom
> Lawgiver was the best thing we would get but this is
> phenomanal...(spelling)
> 19" of Polystone 100% Lawgiver......I will be
> surprised if people find anything wrong with this. It
> looks very accurate to me. The box even has the
> "Beware the Beast man" text printed on it. I hope
> everyone gets one of these. Incidentally mine is no.
> 158 out of 750....Has anyone else gotten one of
> these?????? I highly recommend them. I know it is
> expensive but I have no family to spend money on so I
> get it all for me!!!!!! Seriously, it is the best Apes
> item to come out in many years......(besides the new
> comics that is) ;)
> Also got astronaut Taylor...he does look skinny! and
> the paint job on his face isn't so hot.....
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> __________________________________

--- Hoknes <terryhoknes@... > wrote:
Terry....do you have any left? I want a set...

Tim

> MessageI have 3 complete sets of the german
> magazines from 1975 if anyone is interested

__________________________________

The statue is the only one I've taken out of the box
yet......I think I'm only gonna get two taylor/Nova
sets--- luke_the_drifter52 <JLKINSER1970@...>
wrote:

>
> I got my Lawgiver also. Both of them. (I ordered two
> of them)
> I also recieved an email from Sideshow that the
> Forbidden Zone
> Taylor would be shipping soon.
> I took the other TAylor out of the box and once you
> get him out of
> the box and displayed, he really looks good. I think
> the Sideshow
> line is 100% superior to the Medicom. I like their
> size
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> > One of the best things about getting home today
> was
> > that I had a huge package waiting for me. I can't
> > believe no one else has said anything about
> > this....Maybe I'm the only one to shell out the
> bucks
> > for it. All I can say is it is worth it. I've been
> > waiting for this for 30 years. I thought the
> Medicom
> > Lawgiver was the best thing we would get but this
> is
> > phenomanal...(spelling)
> > 19" of Polystone 100% Lawgiver......I will be
> > surprised if people find anything wrong with this.
> It
> > looks very accurate to me. The box even has the
> > "Beware the Beast man" text printed on it. I hope
> > everyone gets one of these. Incidentally mine is
> no.
> > 158 out of 750....Has anyone else gotten one of
> > these?????? I highly recommend them. I know it is
> > expensive but I have no family to spend money on
> so I
> > get it all for me!!!!!! Seriously, it is the best
> Apes
> > item to come out in many years......(besides the
> new
> > comics that is) ;)
> > Also got astronaut Taylor...he does look skinny!
> and
> > the paint job on his face isn't so hot.....
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________

__________________________________

-I hit send too quickly...I was saying that as far as
Taylors go...I think I'll only get two of the
Taylor/Nova sets so I can open one. Am keeping the
first set all in boxes. I don't need 6 open
Taylors....!

Tim

-- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> The statue is the only one I've taken out of the box
> yet......I think I'm only gonna get two taylor/Nova
> sets-

Well I'm glad to see we're back on track. Looking foward to seeing
what will come from the timecapsule findings. Thanks again guys.

Attachments :

Looky! The statue...the box and the Sideshow and
Medicom Lawgivers in comparison!


--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

>
> I am extremely jealous...do you have photos?

__________________________________

the statue looks great
what is the retail price?




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.html.html Neat "original designed" outfit on Garvon... Like the TV series had, this comic also seems to have it's variations on the "regular" clothes... <.html<.html

Just like Bounty the Hunter!!! ;)

Yes, Neil followed my "what Garvon wears" instructions extremely
well...thanks Neil!

Seriously, the costumes are all Foster, so if you don't like 'em,
PELT HIM!!

Thanks for the comment Cougar - as Neil and I say "If it doesn't
completely piss Cougar off, then it must be OK!!!!". :)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> Neat "original designed" outfit on Garvon... Like the TV series
had, this
> comic also seems to have it's variations on the "regular"
clothes...

The story, the drawings and the costumes are wonderful
to look at. This comic strip is a highlight during the week.

the statue looks great
what is the retail price?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John O." <jspy@w...> wrote:

>
> That was just too damn funny, Patrick (much better than

your "Laura" comment!), and it was properly ended with a ";)" But
I'm kind of disappointed that you don't know everything.

*** The only one who knows everything about everything is that ape
Virgil. Uh, of course, when he and Caesar and MacDonald hear Zira's
taped voice describe the destruction of the Earth, Caesar says to
him -- almost chidingly -- "And YOU talk to your pupils about the
Future!" Seems Virgil DOESN'T know everything about everything... It
just seems to be his reputation. And, sure, he never CLAIMED to know
everything about everything.

Patrick

.html.html In a message dated 2/11/2005 11:06:27 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Caesar says to him -- almost chidingly -- "And YOU talk to your pupils about the
Future!"

Actually, isn't the line "And you talk to your pupils about eternity..."

<.html <.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:51:57 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> If so, then MAYBE Boulle would've thought to name a female chimp in

his satire "Zira", but as far as I'm concerned the pre-existence of
this cigarette brand sure seems like mere coincidence.

>
>
>
> That's a cop out.
> How could it be a coincidence
> if, as you said he made it up.
> You don't like admitting when you're wrong.
> Now you're back-peddling.

*** T, it's simple. The word "Zira" is a mere 4 letters long, right?
There are only 26 letters in the English/French/Latin-derived
languages, right? The possible combinations of 4-letter words, then,
is 26 to the 4th power, or 456,976. Now, that SEEMS like a lot...
but, then again, if somebody were to pick a 4-letter name at random,
chances are he or she wouldn't go with AAAA or AAAB or AAAC, etc etc.
Some combinations of letters just don't go together all that well.

When a writer wants to INVENT a 4-letter name -- be it for a
CHARACTER in a fantasy story, or a PLACE or a THING -- the choice of
which 4 letters in which combination has to fit a certain aesthetic.
Think of all those old Marvel comics, where Stan Lee came up with
monsters with all KINDS of weird names. Or "KONG" in "King Kong". Or
those goofy Japanese monsters like "Ghidra". Maybe "ghidra" has a
meaning in Japanese, I don't know; maybe it doesn't, and it's just a
cool-sounding name for a goofy monster in a low-budget flick. Think
of those Klingon names like "KANG" and "KOR" and "KRUGE", etc. Some
names are more likely to be invented, due to the sound.

Thus, the chances of MORE THAN ONE person "inventing" the name "ZIRA"
is nowhere near the 456,976 mark. Whoever named that cigarette
brand "Zira" could have easily INVENTED the word, the same way that
pharmaceuticals nowadays are invented words -- like ZOLOFT and
VAGISIL and whatever the heck James Naughton is hawking on those TV
commercials. Did the person who named those cigarettes name them
after the Pakistan town in your atlas? Maybe he DID. If he did, then
maybe the ice cream company you mentioned ALSO named their product
after that Pakistan town. Maybe. MAYBE. And maybe NOT.

Maybe that town in Pakistan... AND the cigarette company... AND the
ice cream company... AND, lastly, Pierre Boulle ALL CAME UP WITH THE
SAME 4-LETTER NAME BY SHEER COINCIDENCE. Perhaps ALL of them came up
with the SAME word, "Zira", without any knowledge of the OTHER Ziras
out there in the world.

It's possible, T. And, unless I see anything definitive, it sure
seems plausible to me that this is the case. Boulle need not have
known about any prior "Zira" in order for him to INVENT the name
himself for a character in his book.

Boulle was a smoker -- at least, I've seen a picture of him with a
cigarette in his mouth; so, maybe he knew about those cigarettes
named "Zira" and thought to himself as he puffed on one
of 'em, "Hmm... 'ZIRA'... I like the SOUND of that... it's as good a
name as any... so, hey, why don't I call the female talking chimp in
my new book 'ZIRA', too...?"

It COULD have happened that way, too. I can't prove it DIDN'T, or
that it DID. I don't know. And neither do you. Not unless Boulle told
that to an interviewer in some obscure French-language literary
journal that hardly anybody has ever encountered, will we ever know
what motivated Boulle to give her the name ZIRA.

Not to mention the names ZORAN and ZANAM and ZAIUS.

Zaius COULD be a one-letter variation on "GAIUS", I'll admit. Believe
it or not, that name is the male form of the name "GAIA" -- which, if
you know your Greco-Roman mythology, is the Earth-Mother goddess (the
words GE-ology, GE-ometry, etc, refer to the root meaning: Earth).
But I do wonder why Boulle would take the Roman praenomen GAIUS and
change one letter, the G, to a Z... when he also took the Roman gens
name CORNELIUS yet didn't change any of its letters. But, hey, it's
possible. The name "HARISTAS" is obviously an echo of the
name "ARISTOTLE" -- both characters represent an Authority figure
from antiquity whose pronouncements became solidified as cultural
dogma bolstered by an entrenched orthodox Establishment. In that
case, Boulle dropped the "-OTLE" and added an initial "H-" to make up
his wholly original name. He may also have been punning: the Latin
word HARA means "pen, coop; pig sty" and the verb HARIOLER means "to
utter prophecies" -- but, in an alternate sense, means "to talk
nonsense". Boulle MAY have altered the name "ARISTOTLE" the way he
did to also suggest that Soror's equivalent "authority" was
ultimately the source of a lot of nonsense. The type it takes radical
NEW thinking to displace, by the likes of a Galileo or a Cornelius.

T, you say "How could it be a coincidence if as you said he made it
up?" That's the ONLY way it could be a coincidence! Some cigarette
manufacturer gives his product the made-up name "ZIRA"; then, later,
IF Boulle had never smoked a "Zira" cigarette before -- had never
even HEARD of that brand -- he then goes on to write his book,
including within it a character to whom he gives a name that HE, TOO,
ALL ON HIS OWN, invents out of thin air. By SHEER COINCIDENCE, maybe,
Boulle thought that the 4-letter word "Zira" was a name his aesthetic
sense deemed perfect for his talking chimpette.

If the name in question were something obtuse -- like "HIERONYMUS" --
then it's extremely doubtful that two or more persons could invent
that same name. But "ZIRA" is not so obtuse a name.

T, I don't know where Boulle got the name "ZIRA". Maybe he made it up
all on his own. Maybe he liked the name of that cigarette brand,
and 'borrowed' it from 'em. Maybe he was thumbing through an atlas
and happened to see "ZIRA, PAKISTAN" and liked the sound of the name
of that town. Maybe. Or maybe not. We'll probably never know.

George Lucas almost named his protagonist "LUKE STARKILLER", before
changing it, for aesthetic reasons. "SKYWALKER" sounded better to
him. And probably more realistic: a farmer named "STARKILLER"...? Too
improbable. Maybe "ZIRA" was named that for no other reason than
Boulle liked the sound of that bisyllable: "ZIH-ruh".

Think of all the other invented names in the POTA series: URKO, ELTA,
YALU, DAKU, INTA, KAVA, ARNO, ZAKO, OLAM, MEMA, ANTO, MIRO, etc etc
etc etc. How much thought went into the invention of THOSE names, do
ya suppose? Oh, there's probably a village called "DAKU" in Upper
Slobovia, and a dishwashing detergent named "KAVA" sold in
supermarkets in Chechnya, who the **** knows? Who the **** cares? The
impression I got when seeing those names in the POTA series was that
the writers MADE 'EM UP. They "sounded" like the kinds of names that
the apes would come up with, when they weren't stealing 'em from the
Romans ("HONORIUS", "CORNELIUS", "MAXIMUS", etc etc).

Besides, T, I said it "SEEMS like a coincidence"; in case you didn't
get that, the word "SEEMS" was there to show that I wasn't stating as
a fact that it WAS a coincidence. It MIGHT be a coincidence... or it
might not. I don't know. But it SEEMS to me that it is. It's an
OPINION. I'm entitled to one, in case you don't know. I could be
wrong, I'll freely admit. But for you to state categorically that I
AM wrong, as you do above, now THAT is not backed up by the evidence.
You don't know for a fact where Boulle got the name "ZIRA" any more
than anybody ELSE does.

I suggest you do one of two things:

1.) Learn French... invent a Time Machine... go back in Time to 1964
or so, to France... bring a copy of "LA PLANETE DES SINGES" to Boulle
at some book-signing and ASK HIM why he named her "Zira"...

or,

2.) Sell your soul to the Devil, in order to acquire the necromantic
ability to raise up a Spirit from the Nether-realms... and conjure up
the ghost of Pierre Boulle the way King Saul conjured up the ghost of
the prophet Samuel, and ASK HIM why he named her "Zira".

As far as I know, the ONLY person who EVER KNEW why she was
named "Zira" was Pierre Boulle -- and he's DEAD. The 4-letter
combination of letters, Z-I-R-A, may very well have been a random
bunch that several different people have separately invented, out of
sheer coincidence. It's possible.

Patrick

Well if it is, then the IRONY is right at home on....the Planet of
the APES!!! ;)

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/2005 11:06:27 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > Caesar says to him -- almost chidingly -- "And YOU talk to your
pupils
> > about the
> > Future!"
>
> Actually, isn't the line "And you talk to your pupils about
eternity..."

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/11/2005 11:06:27 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > Caesar says to him -- almost chidingly -- "And YOU talk to your

pupils about the Future!"

>
> Actually, isn't the line "And you talk to your pupils about

eternity..."

*** Yes, you're absolutely right. My bad. >WHACK< "Thank you, sir,
may I have another?!" >WHACK< "Thank you, sir, may I have another...?"

Patrick

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In a message dated 2/11/2005 12:08:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Boulle need not have
known about any prior "Zira" in order for him to INVENT the name
himself for a character in his book.

 

Never Bullsh*t a bullsh*ter Pat.

I may get around to reading your

smoke and mirrors post, but I

doubt it.  But don't bother wasting

you energy blowing smoke up my ass.

It doesn't change the fact that YOU

had never heard "Zira", other than

POTA, and all the backpeddling in

the world won't change that, or the

fact that you knocked out you little

dissertation without researching it.

 

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.html I finally got a chance to look at Hunter's site. I'm speechless! Elaine<.html

Z-I-R-A

Zoos are an Insult to Real Apes



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 2/9/2005 11:51:57 A.M. Central Standard

Time,

> > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
> >
> > If so, then MAYBE Boulle would've thought to name a female chimp

in

> his satire "Zira", but as far as I'm concerned the pre-existence

of

> this cigarette brand sure seems like mere coincidence.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's a cop out.
> > How could it be a coincidence
> > if, as you said he made it up.
> > You don't like admitting when you're wrong.
> > Now you're back-peddling.
>
> *** T, it's simple. The word "Zira" is a mere 4 letters long,

right?

> There are only 26 letters in the English/French/Latin-derived
> languages, right? The possible combinations of 4-letter words,

then,

> is 26 to the 4th power, or 456,976. Now, that SEEMS like a lot...
> but, then again, if somebody were to pick a 4-letter name at

random,

> chances are he or she wouldn't go with AAAA or AAAB or AAAC, etc

etc.

> Some combinations of letters just don't go together all that well.
>
> When a writer wants to INVENT a 4-letter name -- be it for a
> CHARACTER in a fantasy story, or a PLACE or a THING -- the choice

of

> which 4 letters in which combination has to fit a certain

aesthetic.

> Think of all those old Marvel comics, where Stan Lee came up with
> monsters with all KINDS of weird names. Or "KONG" in "King Kong".

Or

> those goofy Japanese monsters like "Ghidra". Maybe "ghidra" has a
> meaning in Japanese, I don't know; maybe it doesn't, and it's just

a

> cool-sounding name for a goofy monster in a low-budget flick.

Think

> of those Klingon names like "KANG" and "KOR" and "KRUGE", etc.

Some

> names are more likely to be invented, due to the sound.
>
> Thus, the chances of MORE THAN ONE person "inventing" the

name "ZIRA"

> is nowhere near the 456,976 mark. Whoever named that cigarette
> brand "Zira" could have easily INVENTED the word, the same way

that

> pharmaceuticals nowadays are invented words -- like ZOLOFT and
> VAGISIL and whatever the heck James Naughton is hawking on those

TV

> commercials. Did the person who named those cigarettes name them
> after the Pakistan town in your atlas? Maybe he DID. If he did,

then

> maybe the ice cream company you mentioned ALSO named their product
> after that Pakistan town. Maybe. MAYBE. And maybe NOT.
>
> Maybe that town in Pakistan... AND the cigarette company... AND

the

> ice cream company... AND, lastly, Pierre Boulle ALL CAME UP WITH

THE

> SAME 4-LETTER NAME BY SHEER COINCIDENCE. Perhaps ALL of them came

up

> with the SAME word, "Zira", without any knowledge of the OTHER

Ziras

> out there in the world.
>
> It's possible, T. And, unless I see anything definitive, it sure
> seems plausible to me that this is the case. Boulle need not have
> known about any prior "Zira" in order for him to INVENT the name
> himself for a character in his book.
>
> Boulle was a smoker -- at least, I've seen a picture of him with a
> cigarette in his mouth; so, maybe he knew about those cigarettes
> named "Zira" and thought to himself as he puffed on one
> of 'em, "Hmm... 'ZIRA'... I like the SOUND of that... it's as good

a

> name as any... so, hey, why don't I call the female talking chimp

in

> my new book 'ZIRA', too...?"
>
> It COULD have happened that way, too. I can't prove it DIDN'T, or
> that it DID. I don't know. And neither do you. Not unless Boulle

told

> that to an interviewer in some obscure French-language literary
> journal that hardly anybody has ever encountered, will we ever

know

> what motivated Boulle to give her the name ZIRA.
>
> Not to mention the names ZORAN and ZANAM and ZAIUS.
>
> Zaius COULD be a one-letter variation on "GAIUS", I'll admit.

Believe

> it or not, that name is the male form of the name "GAIA" -- which,

if

> you know your Greco-Roman mythology, is the Earth-Mother goddess

(the

> words GE-ology, GE-ometry, etc, refer to the root meaning: Earth).
> But I do wonder why Boulle would take the Roman praenomen GAIUS

and

> change one letter, the G, to a Z... when he also took the Roman

gens

> name CORNELIUS yet didn't change any of its letters. But, hey,

it's

> possible. The name "HARISTAS" is obviously an echo of the
> name "ARISTOTLE" -- both characters represent an Authority figure
> from antiquity whose pronouncements became solidified as cultural
> dogma bolstered by an entrenched orthodox Establishment. In that
> case, Boulle dropped the "-OTLE" and added an initial "H-" to make

up

> his wholly original name. He may also have been punning: the Latin
> word HARA means "pen, coop; pig sty" and the verb HARIOLER

means "to

> utter prophecies" -- but, in an alternate sense, means "to talk
> nonsense". Boulle MAY have altered the name "ARISTOTLE" the way he
> did to also suggest that Soror's equivalent "authority" was
> ultimately the source of a lot of nonsense. The type it takes

radical

> NEW thinking to displace, by the likes of a Galileo or a Cornelius.
>
> T, you say "How could it be a coincidence if as you said he made

it

> up?" That's the ONLY way it could be a coincidence! Some cigarette
> manufacturer gives his product the made-up name "ZIRA"; then,

later,

> IF Boulle had never smoked a "Zira" cigarette before -- had never
> even HEARD of that brand -- he then goes on to write his book,
> including within it a character to whom he gives a name that HE,

TOO,

> ALL ON HIS OWN, invents out of thin air. By SHEER COINCIDENCE,

maybe,

> Boulle thought that the 4-letter word "Zira" was a name his

aesthetic

> sense deemed perfect for his talking chimpette.
>
> If the name in question were something obtuse --

like "HIERONYMUS" --

> then it's extremely doubtful that two or more persons could invent
> that same name. But "ZIRA" is not so obtuse a name.
>
> T, I don't know where Boulle got the name "ZIRA". Maybe he made it

up

> all on his own. Maybe he liked the name of that cigarette brand,
> and 'borrowed' it from 'em. Maybe he was thumbing through an atlas
> and happened to see "ZIRA, PAKISTAN" and liked the sound of the

name

> of that town. Maybe. Or maybe not. We'll probably never know.
>
> George Lucas almost named his protagonist "LUKE STARKILLER",

before

> changing it, for aesthetic reasons. "SKYWALKER" sounded better to
> him. And probably more realistic: a farmer named "STARKILLER"...?

Too

> improbable. Maybe "ZIRA" was named that for no other reason than
> Boulle liked the sound of that bisyllable: "ZIH-ruh".
>
> Think of all the other invented names in the POTA series: URKO,

ELTA,

> YALU, DAKU, INTA, KAVA, ARNO, ZAKO, OLAM, MEMA, ANTO, MIRO, etc

etc

> etc etc. How much thought went into the invention of THOSE names,

do

> ya suppose? Oh, there's probably a village called "DAKU" in Upper
> Slobovia, and a dishwashing detergent named "KAVA" sold in
> supermarkets in Chechnya, who the **** knows? Who the **** cares?

The

> impression I got when seeing those names in the POTA series was

that

> the writers MADE 'EM UP. They "sounded" like the kinds of names

that

> the apes would come up with, when they weren't stealing 'em from

the

> Romans ("HONORIUS", "CORNELIUS", "MAXIMUS", etc etc).
>
> Besides, T, I said it "SEEMS like a coincidence"; in case you

didn't

> get that, the word "SEEMS" was there to show that I wasn't stating

as

> a fact that it WAS a coincidence. It MIGHT be a coincidence... or

it

> might not. I don't know. But it SEEMS to me that it is. It's an
> OPINION. I'm entitled to one, in case you don't know. I could be
> wrong, I'll freely admit. But for you to state categorically that

I

> AM wrong, as you do above, now THAT is not backed up by the

evidence.

> You don't know for a fact where Boulle got the name "ZIRA" any

more

> than anybody ELSE does.
>
> I suggest you do one of two things:
>
> 1.) Learn French... invent a Time Machine... go back in Time to

1964

> or so, to France... bring a copy of "LA PLANETE DES SINGES" to

Boulle

> at some book-signing and ASK HIM why he named her "Zira"...
>
> or,
>
> 2.) Sell your soul to the Devil, in order to acquire the

necromantic

> ability to raise up a Spirit from the Nether-realms... and conjure

up

> the ghost of Pierre Boulle the way King Saul conjured up the ghost

of

> the prophet Samuel, and ASK HIM why he named her "Zira".
>
> As far as I know, the ONLY person who EVER KNEW why she was
> named "Zira" was Pierre Boulle -- and he's DEAD. The 4-letter
> combination of letters, Z-I-R-A, may very well have been a random
> bunch that several different people have separately invented, out

of

> sheer coincidence. It's possible.
>
> Patrick

.html.html In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:08:35 PM Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

When there's more information we'll let you all know.

This is cool news anyway!

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Yes it is!

Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:08:35 PM Central Standard Time,
> urko3085@s... writes:
>
> > When there's more information we'll let you all know.
>
> This is cool news anyway!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

>To our surprise, Rittenhouse expressed an interest in printing

these themselves. I want to warn everyone that the discussion we're
having is in the very early stages. When there's more information
we'll let you all know.

-- This really is pretty awesome news! I hope they do go ahead and
do it.

Neil

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In a message dated 2/11/2005 10:08:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

To our surprise, Rittenhouse expressed an interest in printing these themselves.

 

Cool.  Now I don't have to go buy card stock.

 

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Zira is a Swahili word that means "hate," among other things.

In Aramaic, Zira means "least."

Anthony

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Here are a few Turkish definitions

 

1. (z.), (s.), (i.) o zaman, o vakit; ondan sonra, derken; başka zaman, sonra; ayrıca; şu halde, öyle ise; netice olarak; bunun için; (s.) o zaman vaki olan; (i.) o zaman. then and there hemen, derhal. And if the bed should catch fire, what then?.
2. (i). istanköy adası.,because.
3. (kıs). foreign, forestry.,için,for için

 

 

1. then.
2. cos.
3. for.
4. because çünkü.
5. because.
6. forasmuch as.

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Congratulations! Even the thought of it deserves applause! Nice
work, guys!

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...>
wrote:
> >To our surprise, Rittenhouse expressed an interest in printing
> these themselves. I want to warn everyone that the discussion
we're
> having is in the very early stages. When there's more information
> we'll let you all know.
>
> -- This really is pretty awesome news! I hope they do go ahead and
> do it.
>
> Neil

I nearly reacted to this post with an undignified explosion across
my cup of coffee. This puts an end to the thread, then. It's all
right here, Patrick.

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> Here are a few Turkish definitions
>
> 1. (z.), (s.), (i.) o zaman, o vakit; ondan sonra, derken; başka
zaman,
> sonra; ayrıca; şu halde, öyle ise; netice olarak; bunun için;
(s.) o zaman vaki
> olan; (i.) o zaman. then and there hemen, derhal. And if the bed
should catch
> fire, what then?.
> 2. (i). istanköy adası.,because.
> 3. (kıs). foreign, forestry.,için,for için
>
>
> 1. then.
> 2. cos.
> 3. for.
> 4. because çünkü.
> 5. because.
> 6. forasmuch as.

.html.html In a message dated 2/11/05 11:08:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

Just to let everyone know, Michael and I followed up with Rittenhouse after they reacted positively to the card files that Michael forwarded to them. I wanted to ask their permission to print up a small number of sets using a printer I work with (the same one who did the Beware the Beast prints). To our surprise, Rittenhouse expressed an interest in printing these themselves. I want to warn everyone that the discussion we're having is in the very early stages. When there's more information we'll let you all know.

Greg P.

I'm not trying to be Mr. Negative here, but I forwarded the link in Hunter's site to Joe Russo and his reaction was that it was cool what you guys have done BUT the images are simply freeze-frames from the DVD.  He would rather see photos never seen before like those from the Rittenhouse Taylor cards.  I have to say I agree.  Russo has quite a collection of stills from BENEATH, many in color.

But more importantly for me I'd like to see done first an expanded PLANET set, with shots not seen in the original 44 card series.

Since PLANET was released in 1968 I think an expanded PLANET set should be 68 cards.  The photos for the cards should be better reproductions than the original Topps cards, but done in the same style.  I think Rittenhouse talked about doing this, but this is more exactly what I'd like to see.

Just a thought.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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.html.html With the recent discussion about the PLANET/BENEATH original double feature, I've had this thought...

You know what would be a great idea is a card set from Rittenhouse based on the original "By Popular Demand! Two APES for the Price of One!" PLANET/BENEATH double feature.  It could feature rare photos and behind the scene stuff from the first two movies, a mega set of like a hundred cards, the first card of which would be a reproduction of the PLANET/BENEATH double feature 1-sheet.  If it sold well, then a sequel set could be a GO APE collection of stuff from the last three films.

-- Rory<.html<.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/12/05 11:37:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

NOW – WOULD RUSSO SEND GREG THESE STILLS, OR HIGH RES SCANS OF THEM!!???!?!?!?!?!

I've just e-mailed Russo, who also knows another fan in NYC who collects exclusively from only PLANET and BENEATH.  I know they have incredible stills, but how to get them enthusiastic about cooperating with Rittenhouse is another matter.

Russo is still very bitter about not having made a dime on the POTA REVISITED book, which the publisher claims didn't sell out.

I may take a vacation this year and drive up to New Jersey and New York and talk with both these guys.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/12/2005 1:31:47 PM Central Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

If they use the files I send them as they are, they save themselves a lot of time and prep costs. But if they feel the image quality isn't up to their normal standards, they may want to swap the images. Either approach is fine with me. They may decide it's just Neil's art that they like and they want to use that for their own set.

I think the image quality is fine... What the two of you did captured what TOPPS probably would have done anyway... As far as RITTENHOUSE, I hope they do use what you provided for them... Once the cards would actually be made (printed) I am sure they'd look as good as anything else, or close to it anyway...

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In a message dated 2/12/2005 7:49:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I nearly reacted to this post with an undignified explosion across
my cup of coffee.  This puts an end to the thread, then.  It's all
right here, Patrick.

--Helen

 

Why?  And why didn't you explode over the definitions for

Zira in Aramaic and Swahili?  Or do you just hate Turks?

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In a message dated 2/12/2005 10:18:28 A.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

He would rather see photos never seen before

 

Hmmm... I have to wonder which haven't been seen before?

And what they would be.  In other words, I have some rare

stuff.  Like Zira pondering over how to brush her hair with a

toothbrush, or with her jacket off, talking to the director. But

they weren't in the movie, and don't have anything to do with

it, consequently wouldn't make a good card.  Who can you

have stuff that would make a better card but isn't just a frame

from the movies?  I'm just not sure what those would be.

 

 

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In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:02:31 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

I think the image quality is fine... What the two of you did captured what TOPPS probably would have done anyway... As far as RITTENHOUSE, I hope they do use what you provided for them...

 

I think Rittenhouse will be happy with whatever they get.

It has to be a huge savings for them not to have to pay

someone to do the layouts.  It's a windfall, and they aren't

going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:45:02 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Like Zira pondering over how to brush her hair with a
toothbrush, or with her jacket off, talking to the director. But
they weren't in the movie, and don't have anything to do with
it, consequently wouldn't make a good card.

That's not entirely true... In the original PLANET set, cards 37-39 are all from scenes NOT in the movie, yet they are good cards... They are from scenes originally scripted, but subsequently not in the film... They make sense though, as they were supposed to originally be included... Just as an ESCAPE set with the photo of Zira and the toothbrush would be ok... But things like her talking to the director WOULD NOT, unless it ws included as a behind the scenes card...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:51:13 PM Central Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I think Rittenhouse will be happy with whatever they get.
It has to be a huge savings for them not to have to pay
someone to do the layouts.  It's a windfall, and they aren't
going to look a gift horse in the mouth.

Let's hope so...<.html <.html

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In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:55:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

They are from scenes originally scripted, but subsequently not in the film...

You're right.  The Gorilla Checkpoint was a good card.

So Toothbrush, or Flying the Icarus could be good

Escape cards.  What about with the Jacket off.  Are

there examples like that?  Nothing says they didn't

take their jackets off.  Zaius didn't wear his in his office.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Indeed let's - because it could really open the floodgates!
> Next we'd hook Chris Hight up with SIDESHOW!!! ;)

-- And then we get a comic book publisher interested in the comics
and then we get a movie made!

Neil

In a message dated 2/11/05 11:08:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, urko3085@... writes:

Just to let everyone know, Michael and I followed up with Rittenhouse after they reacted positively to the card files that Michael forwarded to them. I wanted to ask their permission to print up a small number of sets using a printer I work with (the same one who did the Beware the Beast prints). To our surprise, Rittenhouse expressed an interest in printing these themselves. I want to warn everyone that the discussion we're having is in the very early stages. When there's more information we'll let you all know.

Greg P.

I'm not trying to be Mr. Negative here, but I forwarded the link in Hunter's site to Joe Russo and his reaction was that it was cool what you guys have done BUT the images are simply freeze-frames from the DVD.  He would rather see photos never seen before like those from the Rittenhouse Taylor cards.  I have to say I agree.  Russo has quite a collection of stills from BENEATH, many in color.

But more importantly for me I'd like to see done first an expanded PLANET set, with shots not seen in the original 44 card series.

Since PLANET was released in 1968 I think an expanded PLANET set should be 68 cards.  The photos for the cards should be better reproductions than the original Topps cards, but done in the same style.  I think Rittenhouse talked about doing this, but this is more exactly what I'd like to see.

Just a thought.

-- Rory

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Yes! I'm loving this.

Thanks, Neil and Michael!

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Wow! Two new Within strips in less than a week, and special guest
appearance to boot.
>
> I can't wait to see what happens when Ursus reaches the dig site.
>
> Greg P.
>
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I don't know, LT. I just thought this was hysterical. Did I miss
the others?

--Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2005 7:49:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> I nearly reacted to this post with an undignified explosion
across
> my cup of coffee. This puts an end to the thread, then. It's
all
> right here, Patrick.
>
> --Helen
>
>
>
> Why? And why didn't you explode over the definitions for
> Zira in Aramaic and Swahili? Or do you just hate Turks?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> I think Rittenhouse will be happy with whatever they get. It has

to be a huge savings for them not to have to pay someone to do the
layouts. It's a windfall, and they aren't going to look a gift
horse in the mouth.

-- That is how I am looking at it. As they have had most of the work
done for them already I think the chances of them going ahead with
something like this is much higher. Remember when they first got the
license there was a lot of talk about large sets of Apes cards and
all we eventually got was the Heston set. Let's keep our fingers
crossed!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>(maybe only 500 numbered, as I seem to recall is the number of

Linda Harrison cards being done!)

--So they are still definitely going ahead with these ones then? Any
idea when they are meant to be released?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> Looky! The statue...the box and the Sideshow and Medicom Lawgivers

in comparison!

--Tim I missed out on seeing these pictures, is there any chance
that you could upload them to the group's photos or files sections?

Neil

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In a message dated 2/12/2005 6:55:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I don't know, LT.  I just thought this was hysterical.  Did I miss
the others?

--Helen

 

I'll repost it for you.

 

<<Zira is a Swahili word that means "hate," among other things.

In Aramaic, Zira means "least."

Anthony>>

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$125 from Sideshow......not sure if it's any cheaper
from other stores.

Tim

--- Hoknes <terryhoknes@...> wrote:

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> what is the retail price?
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.html.html In a message dated 2/13/05 11:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

$125 from Sideshow......not sure if it's any cheaper
from other stores.

Tim

Amoktime.com   $99.00<.html <.html

Yes Neil....I just put them in the second Sideshow
file in "Photos".....Great new 'Within' strips by the
way.....
Tim

--- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\""
> <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
> > Looky! The statue...the box and the Sideshow and
> Medicom Lawgivers
> in comparison!
>
> --Tim I missed out on seeing these pictures, is
> there any chance
> that you could upload them to the group's photos or
> files sections?
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>
>

.html This is exciting,at least Rittenhouse is thinking about making the cards.Elaine<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...>
wrote:

> Yes Neil....I just put them in the second Sideshow file in "Photos"

-- Thanks Tim, that Lawgiver looks awesome.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/13/05 11:02:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> apefan23@y... writes:
> > $125 from Sideshow......not sure if it's any cheaper from other

stores.

> Amoktime.com $99.00

-- Hmmm, I wonder how much it would cost to ship it to Australia,
probably more than the cost of the thing! Hey!, my birthday is
coming up in less than a month... ;-)

Neil

Once again we have had a healthy jump in membership numbers this
month, so to all our recently joined new members - welcome to the
group!

Please feel free to jump in and contribute if a subject takes your
fancy, or start one up yourself!

MAKE SURE YOU GO TO THE HOMEPAGE AND READ THE NEW PLANET OF THE APES
TV SHOW COMIC BOOK - GOING HOME!!!

Go to the homepage, scroll down to around the middle of the page and
click on the link underneath the logo....this will take you to the
PDF file of the first 3 pages.

Another new ongoing comic strip called WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE APES
can be found in the files section of the group or you can just click
on the handy links on the Home Page to view the latest and previous
chapters!

Don't forget we also have 3 other groups 'attached' to the main one.

First up there is the DG Archives group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/
This group was created to store old posts from the group which have
been deleted from the main site. We have to do this periodically to
free up space as Yahoo does not allot much space to the groups
anymore.
As this group is so active we tend to fill up very quickly and
instead of losing old posts forever we like to keep a copy of them
all. They can be found in the Files section listed by month and year.


There is also the DG Fan Fiction group where members can place, in
the group's Files section, their Fan Fiction stories, poems etc. to
be enjoyed by all:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupfanfiction/


Finally there's the Photos group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/
Where photos and files are occasionally moved to save space on the
main DG group

All the sites can be easily accessed via the links on each one's
Home Page.

And don't forget to check out the DG group's vast Photos section and
all that great stuff in the Files section.
While you're here why not participate in a Poll or check out all
those wonderful links and generally have a fun filled family
experience!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Wow! Two new Within strips in less than a week, and special guest

appearance to boot.

-- Thanks for all the positive responses so far folks. Glad the
special guest appearance was appreciated.

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 2/13/2005 3:23:51 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Glad the special guest appearance was appreciated.

Since this is set before BEWARE, I am guessing that Gideon was still just an officer at the time of WITHIN, because he's not dressed as an "exterminator" like he was in BEWARE?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/13/2005 3:23:51 PM Central Standard Time,
>Since this is set before BEWARE, I am guessing that Gideon was

still just an officer at the time of WITHIN, because he's not
dressed as an "exterminator" like he was in BEWARE?

--That's totally correct sir! Yes he was still in the regular army
or police force or whatever it was back then.
Why he left and became a Human exterminator, well that is a whole
other story...

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 2/13/2005 3:51:59 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Why he left and became a Human exterminator, well that is a whole
other story...

Better pay, more authority, etc?

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/13/2005 3:51:59 PM Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@h... writes:
>Better pay, more authority, etc?

-- Plus working the hours he chooses... I'm sure Mr. Whitty is
writing a story about that right now if he hasn't done so already...

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 2/13/2005 4:05:12 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Plus working the hours he chooses... I'm sure Mr. Whitty is
writing a story about that right now if he hasn't done so already...

Gideon was a cool character for BEWARE, but I really don't think we need to see a whole backstory on him... His had his place in BEWARE, you should leave him alone after that...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

>but I really don't think we need to see a whole backstory on him...

His had his place in BEWARE, you should leave him alone after that...

-- You're probably right about that, though it would be interesting
to find out what motivated him to leave the regular job and become
an exterminator.

Neil

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<mlccougar@...> wrote:

> I think the image quality is fine...

What you have to remember though is that what looks fine on a monitor screen
will often look less than fine when you try printing it out on a decent
quality printer on good paper. If these were to be professionally printed
I'm sure the images would still need to be re-processed if nothing else.

Alan

A world once ruled by men has now been taken over by a legion of
talking… WOMEN! Behold the new paradox, the Planet of the Women!

The PotADG is now under the control of the women of the group. This
is not intended to be a malicious take over, but something that will
be fun for all!

For quite a while the women of the DG have been taking a lot of slack
from the illustrious males in the group. It is meant in good fun, but
sometimes the funniest part is the payback!
Today we are taking a stand and reclaiming the group. Fasten your
belts and sit back, boys! It might even be fun!

Welcome to the Revolution!
DG Marauders

In "Tomorrow's Tide" when Burke and Virdon show the poor fishermen
how to fish with a net they aren't really helping them. Instead they
are giving the apes more reason to work them harder, or just as
hard. 'Cause the quota's aren't going to stay the same if they are
bringing in a lot of fish, they're gonna increase! So instead of
having time off from work they are going to have work just as long
and just as hard to bring in more fish. And if a net happens to
break or tangle who is going to fix it? The humans of course. This
means they will have to be responsible for the nets and catching
more fish than ever. And they couldn't possibly become experts with
the net overnight, that would take time. So the apes are going to
expect them to increase the total right away.
Either way they go they lose. Even their superiors, the apes in
charge. The government is going to want to double the quota each
year if they prove that the nets work well.
In a way it's like the poor-black sharecroppers at the end of the
19th century. They had to rent the land, buy the seeds, give away
part of the crop, buy their own equipment and pay it all back, but
each year the prices for cotton decreased and the prices for the
other stuff got higher. They had no oportunity to get out of debt or
prosper.
So these humans and even apes will have no way of gaining higher
status. They will keep up being overworked and underpaid year after
year and the government will want more and more fish each year.
Basically Pete, Alan and Galen aren't helping these poor people at
all, they are driving them further away from freedom. That's not
fair! They should have done something to help them gain independence
and freedom, if not right then, but sometime in the near future.
Thoughts? Comments?

Kasey/Undomiel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "hidalgo_girl05" <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:

> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Kasey/Undomiel

There was always a strong correlation to the white/black issues in
the way humans and apes were portrayed to me. There were the
absolute hardliners, the sympathizers, the ones who looked the other
way but didn't help...

The series also seemed to leave almost every episode with the
impression that the humans from the current time were somehow
bettered by their brush with the advanced Astronauts. Historically
we know that isn't the case in almost all the cases. Those who
exhibited behaviours they may have picked up from Virdon and Burke or
used some of the new ideas they learned were most likely picked up
and killed. Take for example the situation in Nepal or even the
Underground Railroad. Those who helped the slaves on their way to
freedom were often put to death.

Personally, I think the Astronauts passing thru a village would have
meant a death knell.


janet

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "hidalgo_girl05" <elfgirl_06@c...>
wrote:

>
> In "Tomorrow's Tide" when Burke and Virdon show the poor fishermen
> how to fish with a net they aren't really helping them. Instead

they

> are giving the apes more reason to work them harder, or just as
> hard. 'Cause the quota's aren't going to stay the same if they are
> bringing in a lot of fish, they're gonna increase! So instead of
> having time off from work they are going to have work just as long
> and just as hard to bring in more fish. And if a net happens to
> break or tangle who is going to fix it? The humans of course. This
> means they will have to be responsible for the nets and catching
> more fish than ever. And they couldn't possibly become experts with
> the net overnight, that would take time. So the apes are going to
> expect them to increase the total right away.
> Either way they go they lose. Even their superiors, the apes in
> charge. The government is going to want to double the quota each
> year if they prove that the nets work well.
> In a way it's like the poor-black sharecroppers at the end of the
> 19th century. They had to rent the land, buy the seeds, give away
> part of the crop, buy their own equipment and pay it all back, but
> each year the prices for cotton decreased and the prices for the
> other stuff got higher. They had no oportunity to get out of debt

or

> prosper.
> So these humans and even apes will have no way of gaining higher
> status. They will keep up being overworked and underpaid year

after

> year and the government will want more and more fish each year.
> Basically Pete, Alan and Galen aren't helping these poor people at
> all, they are driving them further away from freedom. That's not
> fair! They should have done something to help them gain

independence

> and freedom, if not right then, but sometime in the near future.
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Kasey/Undomiel
>
>

That's very true! Not only driving the Apes farther away from
freedom, they put themselves in the spot. I wonder why people do
duch things. Your opinions matter!! Anyone else?

Lil

It seems to me that in Tomorrows Tide the ape in charge (whose name
escapes me at the moment) wasn't very smart. Couldn't he see that
the more fish they produced the more they would have to give? No
government is ever satisfied with what they get. And if the
government ever found out that they could produce more than the
quotas call for, they would have upped the quotas.
I definitely see how white and black relationships, especially
during the 60's and 70's, correspond with PotA. It would have been
nice to see the trio being turned away by a human villiage who had
heard about them before hand.
Kasey/Undomiel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hidalgo_girl05" <elfgirl_06@c...>
> wrote:
> > Thoughts? Comments?
> >
> > Kasey/Undomiel
>
>
>
>
> There was always a strong correlation to the white/black issues in
> the way humans and apes were portrayed to me. There were the
> absolute hardliners, the sympathizers, the ones who looked the
other
> way but didn't help...
>
> The series also seemed to leave almost every episode with the
> impression that the humans from the current time were somehow
> bettered by their brush with the advanced Astronauts.
Historically
> we know that isn't the case in almost all the cases. Those who
> exhibited behaviours they may have picked up from Virdon and Burke
or
> used some of the new ideas they learned were most likely picked up
> and killed. Take for example the situation in Nepal or even the
> Underground Railroad. Those who helped the slaves on their way to
> freedom were often put to death.
>
> Personally, I think the Astronauts passing thru a village would
have
> meant a death knell.
>
>
> janet

It's funny, though. It seems to me, the more we force people to
work, the more they need to come up with new ways to make their work
easier or more enjoyable. Aren't the oppressors then contributing
to the advancement of the oppressed?

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hidalgo_girl05" <elfgirl_06@c...>
> wrote:
> > Thoughts? Comments?
> >
> > Kasey/Undomiel
>
>
>
>
> There was always a strong correlation to the white/black issues in
> the way humans and apes were portrayed to me. There were the
> absolute hardliners, the sympathizers, the ones who looked the
other
> way but didn't help...
>
> The series also seemed to leave almost every episode with the
> impression that the humans from the current time were somehow
> bettered by their brush with the advanced Astronauts.
Historically
> we know that isn't the case in almost all the cases. Those who
> exhibited behaviours they may have picked up from Virdon and Burke
or
> used some of the new ideas they learned were most likely picked up
> and killed. Take for example the situation in Nepal or even the
> Underground Railroad. Those who helped the slaves on their way to
> freedom were often put to death.
>
> Personally, I think the Astronauts passing thru a village would
have
> meant a death knell.
>
>
> janet

Boulle also had a tendency to name characters after characters in Joseph
Conrad novels. And the title character of his first novel, "William Conrad",
was a tribute to the author. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "patrickmichaeltilton" <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:09 AM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Cornelius, & "Lord Jim"




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
> Patrick, I think Boulle got the name Cornelius from "Lord Jim".
That was his favorite novel. One of the characters in one of
the "Lion King" video sequels is named Zira. I've never come across a
Zauis anywhere (or a Veetus). - - - Jeff

*** The "Lord Jim" source sounds possible -- even plausible, if it
indeed WAS Boulle's favorite novel. The name "Cornelius", of course,
predates Kipling by several thousand years, though. As I said,
there's a Cornelius in the New Testament, though he isn't a talking
ape!

By the way, "Zaius" is spelled Z-A-I-U-S, Jeff -- I know you're in
the habit of spellin' it Z-A-U-I-S, but you're transposing two of the
letters. Maybe your fingers get logjammed when you type it; when I
type the word "where" too fast, it usually comes out as "wehre", and
then I have to back-space and erase it & type it in again.

All the same, you don't wanna be dissin' that ape's name; he might
have one of his veterinary surgeons cut pieces outta you... or even
geld you... and we don't want THAT to happen now, do we?

Patrick ;)








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Mighta just got sidetracked there. I was just discussing this with
my daughter and it got me thinking. It seems that there is a huge
likelihood that the humans would make huge strides quickly because
of their interactions with the human astronauts and a sympathetic
ape.

Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> It's funny, though. It seems to me, the more we force people to
> work, the more they need to come up with new ways to make their

work

> easier or more enjoyable. Aren't the oppressors then contributing
> to the advancement of the oppressed?
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "hidalgo_girl05"

<elfgirl_06@c...>

> > wrote:
> > > Thoughts? Comments?
> > >
> > > Kasey/Undomiel
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > There was always a strong correlation to the white/black issues

in

> > the way humans and apes were portrayed to me. There were the
> > absolute hardliners, the sympathizers, the ones who looked the
> other
> > way but didn't help...
> >
> > The series also seemed to leave almost every episode with the
> > impression that the humans from the current time were somehow
> > bettered by their brush with the advanced Astronauts.
> Historically
> > we know that isn't the case in almost all the cases. Those who
> > exhibited behaviours they may have picked up from Virdon and

Burke

> or
> > used some of the new ideas they learned were most likely picked

up

> > and killed. Take for example the situation in Nepal or even the
> > Underground Railroad. Those who helped the slaves on their way

to

> > freedom were often put to death.
> >
> > Personally, I think the Astronauts passing thru a village would
> have
> > meant a death knell.
> >
> >
> > janet

.html.html Is this why you females took over the DG group?  So you can just talk about the TV show?

Take me out and shoot me now.

Thank you.

-- Rory<.html<.html

For each of the five original POTA films, FOX produced and distributed promotional "Heralds" (fictional newspapers) that local theaters distributed to advertise the release of each new film. However, no Herald was ever produced for to promote the TV series.

:))

I'm not really into the TV show, either, but I do like having more
Apes to watch. What would you rather talk about, Rory?

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Is this why you females took over the DG group? So you can just
talk about
> the TV show?
>
> Take me out and shoot me now.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Rory

.html.html In a message dated 2/13/05 10:19:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Boulle also had a tendency to name characters after characters in Joseph
Conrad novels. And the title character of his first novel, "William Conrad",
was a tribute to the author. - - - Jeff

I have the DVD of LORD JIM, which stars Peter O'Toole and James Mason.  Mason was also in JOURNEY TO THE CENTER OF THE EARTH, produced by 20th Century-Fox in 1959 and featuring the matte paintings of Emil Kosa Jr., who would do the matte painting of the Statue of Liberty in PLANET.

Six degrees (or less) of separation between POTA and LORD JIM.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 2/13/05 10:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I'm not really into the TV show, either, but I do like having more
Apes to watch.  What would you rather talk about, Rory?

Helen

What do you girls think of Zira's hairstyle?  Would you rather have a "Zira cut" or go wild like Nova?  (By the way, ever notice that Linda Harrison had extensions in her hair?  I only know that because my sister, who was a stylist, pointed it out to me.)

-- Rory<.html <.html

I actually kinda like the Zira look, but I'd go with the Linda
Harrison look any day. It ain't happening, but that's what I'd
choose.

They also used clips to hold her hair in place. I don't know if you
ever see them, but it's pretty obvious looking at it. I don't know
anything about extensions, but I don't doubt that her hair was about
as done up as could be. "The natural look," you know.


Yup, I'd love to have hair that looks like that.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/13/05 10:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > I'm not really into the TV show, either, but I do like having
more
> > Apes to watch. What would you rather talk about, Rory?
> >
> > Helen
> >
>
> What do you girls think of Zira's hairstyle? Would you rather
have a "Zira
> cut" or go wild like Nova? (By the way, ever notice that Linda
Harrison had
> extensions in her hair? I only know that because my sister, who
was a stylist,
> pointed it out to me.)
>
> -- Rory

Actually, it was to have a bit of fun and we've been really busy so
if you wouldn't mind, could you take yourself out and shoot you?
It'd be really great of you! Thanks!

The TV series added to the POTA universe as much as the movies did.
The relationship of ape to human wasn't much different in the first
and second film and it certainly carried over whenever the apes were
shown in charge. The movies were a reflection of the time period
they were produced in and the remake carried that same theme forward.

janet

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> Is this why you females took over the DG group? So you can just
talk about
> the TV show?
>
> Take me out and shoot me now.
>
> Thank you.
>
> -- Rory

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
>A world once ruled by men has now been taken over by a legion of
talking… WOMEN! Behold the new paradox, the Planet of the Women!
The PotADG is now under the control of the women of the group.

-- What the heck is going on here? I go out for a few hours to pick
some stuff up from the shops and when I get back the DG has been
hijacked by a bunch of females!
How come I no longer have the power to change stuff? Just what is
going on? What have you done Helen?

It's a madhouse! A madhouse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Neil

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Totally count me in for the Linda Harrison look!!!

I never could get into the "standard" Ape Page-boy cut!

janet


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "ape_mom" <sand_hill_school@y...>
wrote:

>
> I actually kinda like the Zira look, but I'd go with the Linda
> Harrison look any day. It ain't happening, but that's what I'd
> choose.
>
> They also used clips to hold her hair in place. I don't know if

you

> ever see them, but it's pretty obvious looking at it. I don't know
> anything about extensions, but I don't doubt that her hair was

about

> as done up as could be. "The natural look," you know.
>
>
> Yup, I'd love to have hair that looks like that.
>
> Helen
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/13/05 10:42:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > sand_hill_school@y... writes:
> >
> >
> > > I'm not really into the TV show, either, but I do like having
> more
> > > Apes to watch. What would you rather talk about, Rory?
> > >
> > > Helen
> > >
> >
> > What do you girls think of Zira's hairstyle? Would you rather
> have a "Zira
> > cut" or go wild like Nova? (By the way, ever notice that Linda
> Harrison had
> > extensions in her hair? I only know that because my sister, who
> was a stylist,
> > pointed it out to me.)
> >
> > -- Rory

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oh no. The girls take over and its Rory who starts the petty
conversations about things like hair. Please go back to talking about
the T.V. show. You girls were doing just fine on your own. hehehe


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> It's a madhouse! A madhouse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Neil

Leave the Inmates, free the guards!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

>It is my pleasure to let you know that you can now download a PDF

of this amazing piece of work from either Kassidy's site or Hunter's
site:

> http://www.planetoftheapestv.150m.com/
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/

-- Great stuff! Thanks to all involved for this.

Neil

We have a number of surprises for you through the week... stay tuned
for a schedule of events.

In the meantime, please plan to be with us tomorrow afternoon for a
visit with Michelle Juhlin from Apemania. I am so looking forward
to this visit and we welcome all of you to join us.

Helen

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Hey, girlfriend!!! *coughcough*

If you find a decent place, let me know, 'k hon??

janet

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK - where do I get a pedicure around here?!?!? ;)
>
> Michelle

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