--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Oh dear GOD!
>
> Did you mention the Burton travesty!?!?!?
>
> SHAME!
>
> And so close to the Anniversary of the only true Planet of the Apes
> movie...Planet of the Apes!
>
> Michael
>

> As long as those surprises do not involve geldings...OK? :-)
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
wrote:
> > As long as those surprises do not involve geldings...OK? :-)
> >
> > Michael
>
> But what do you have against horses, Michael, heh-heh!!
>
>
> Hey, Helen, notice he didn't say anything about lobotomies!!
>
> janet

> In the meantime, please plan to be with us tomorrow afternoon for

> What is interesting about the tv series, is the forced labor did

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/13/2005 11:28:17 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > If the humans did not produce by fishing large quantities of
fish,what
> > other options would they have to improve their situation?
>
> REVOLUTION!!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I think they were more Communistic in Ape society and I don't
think they
> HAD money, did they?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: taebokitti@a... [taebokitti@a...]
> Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 4:30 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: The Issue of Forced Labor
>
> * What is interesting about the tv series, is the forced
labor
> did not bring up how this might be an economic disadvantage for the
> apes. For example, having humans perform forced labor would
prevent an
> ape from doing the same job for a salary. None of the apes seemed
to be
> concerned about this. Elaine.
>
> --

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> What has happened to all the links for the comics and stuff girls?
>
> Neil

> Take a vacation.

>(Don't listen to Michael.)

>And fasten YOUR seatbelt. And just enjoy the ride.

> Go baby go! Let your emotions rip this week, my emotions are going

> But would a revolution be successful? If you were a human on

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 2/13/2005 9:51:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> I actually kinda like the Zira look, but I'd go with the Linda
> Harrison look any day. It ain't happening, but that's what I'd
> choose.
>
>
>
>
> But don't you think it depends on the shape of a girl's face?
> It's like short hair. Some women who think they can pull
> that look off, can't. I can't think of a good example, but
> you know what I mean.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Neil, are you intouch with your emotions? Do we need to talk about
our
> feelings? Would Urko see a therapist? Elaine

> Neil, are you intouch with your emotions? Do we need to talk about

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> > Neil, are you intouch with your emotions? Do we need to talk
about
> our feelings?
>
> -- In the words of a broken heart it's just EMOTION that's taking
me
> over,
> tied up in sorrow, lost in my soul...
>
> AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2005 12:01:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > But would a revolution be successful?
>
> No, it probably wouldn't be, at least not on a large scale...
(There may be a
> few villages like the one in "The Liberator", where the apes and
humans had
> fought in the past,and the two groups came to an agreement, but
those humans
> still are under the apes thumbs...)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2005 12:51:01 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> > Why do you think a Revolution
> > wouldn't have been successful?
>
> Because the Apes hold the weapons, the intelligence, and the fear
factor...
> (By that I mean the humans KNOW what will happen to them if they'd
try anything
> and weren't successful... They'd be publicly executed...)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> As far as "bettering themselves", where do you get that from? The
only way
> they could win any favor from the apes was/is by selling out their
fellow human
> beings ala Kraik...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> As far as "bettering themselves", where do you get that from? The
only way
> they could win any favor from the apes was/is by selling out their
fellow human
> beings ala Kraik...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2005 1:23:15 AM Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> > Those farmers, as portrayed in the TV Series, weren't stupid and
> > dependent on the Apes. They were very independent and, because
they
> > were farmers, probably interdependent.
>
> They were forced to pay "grain taxes" (in other words give up
their crops) to
> their masters... "Very independent"?, I don't think so... They
were all a
> part of the "forced labor" so to speak...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> He was a great gorilla and there WERE many good things about the
movie,
> but overall it was a terrible waste of every second I spent
watching it.
>
> Why?
>
> The focus was on special effects and loud noises.
>
> The plot was very weak. It had potential, but it was like a
> rollercoaster with square wheels!
>
> The magnificent cast were just pathetic (Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa was a
good
> gorilla, but there I stop!)
>
> Not only was the potential to do it well never reached, but they did
> what they did POORLY!
>
> Now, I'm going to stop because my friend Elaine LIKES
Burton's..movie
> (for want of a better word). And I like Elaine, so I don't really
let
> rip my true emotions regarding this attack on the POTA fan! :-)
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/13/2005 11:30:27 PM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > For example, having humans perform forced labor would prevent an
ape from
> > doing the same job for a salary. None of the apes seemed to be
concerned about
> > this.
>
> Even Polar and his poor family weren't against having slaves to
help them in
> their chores...
>
> Why do you think there was "forced labor"? Because the jobs humans
were
> "forced" to do were "below" the Apes (in their opinions)... The
slave thing was
> more status anyway...

>
> In a message dated 2/13/2005 9:54:18 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> hautecoffey@y... writes:
>
> The movies were a reflection of the time period
> they were produced in and the remake carried that same theme

>
> janet
>
>
>
>
> Janet Jackson?
> Who does your hair?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
-- In the words of a broken heart it's just EMOTION that's taking me
> over,
> tied up in sorrow, lost in my soul...
>
> AAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Neil


Awwwwwwwww, look ladies - Neil is feeling the love.......

> In a message dated 2/14/2005 12:01:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > But would a revolution be successful?
>
> No, it probably wouldn't be, at least not on a large scale...

> few villages like the one in "The Liberator", where the apes and

> fought in the past,and the two groups came to an agreement, but

> still are under the apes thumbs...)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "janet" <hautecoffey@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 2/14/2005 12:01:48 AM Central Standard Time,
> > taebokitti@a... writes:
> >
> > > But would a revolution be successful?
> >
> > No, it probably wouldn't be, at least not on a large scale...
> (There may be a
> > few villages like the one in "The Liberator", where the apes and
> humans had
> > fought in the past,and the two groups came to an agreement, but
> those humans
> > still are under the apes thumbs...)
>
> I think a revolution, at least at the point of the movies, would
have
> been bloody and not at all kind to the human population - if they
> could have actually gotten organized and pulled off attempting one.
>
> At the time of the tvseries, the humans were strung out across the
> countryside and unorganized, something I'm certain the Apes
> encouraged. If they'd tried anything then, I'm sure they would
have
> been systematically slaughtered.
>
> janet

>
> Cut!!
>
> No, no. no. That's not way we rehearsed this!
>
> Oh, good morning, Janet!
>
> Helen

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>
> In "Tomorrow's Tide" when Burke and Virdon show the poor fishermen
> how to fish with a net they aren't really helping them. Instead

> are giving the apes more reason to work them harder, or just as
> hard. ...


> Basically Pete, Alan and Galen aren't helping these poor people at
> all, they are driving them further away from freedom. That's not
> fair! They should have done something to help them gain

> and freedom, if not right then, but sometime in the near future.
> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Kasey/Undomiel

> Along the same lines... It's keeping people stupid

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Cougar listed the few times we hear of any reference to money in
the apes
> saga. Their view of economics is different than ours and in the tv
series, it
> seems a strong caste system takes place over money. Humans were at
the bottom but
> the farm family episode mentions peasants not being allowed to
ride horses.
> Elaine

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
> Yes,I think I am responding to your stealing the horses post.
Elaine

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Dear POTADGirl,
>
> It's Valentine's Day but my boyfriend is upset with me. He says
I'm more interested in Brent from "Beneath" than I am in him. How
can I show I care? I'd love to have hair like Nova's but it ain't
happening. I've tried a luscious new orange fragrance but that
hasn't helped either. Girls, what's the best Valentine's advice you
can give for bringing back passion on this most important day?
> Also, who is our favorite lovers from POTA? Cornelius and Zira?
Taylor and Nova? Brent (sigh!) and Nova (has POTA ever had a more
passionate kiss?)? Caesar and Lisa? Caesar and the insemination
female? I'd choose Taylor and Nova because of that scene where he
asks "Do you love me, I wonder? Can you love, I wonder?" Oh, my
heart melted! Couldn't you just die? Heston is a real man.
> Anyway, everyone have a great Valentine's Day and (heh, heh) too
bad we have to go to work tomorrow. - - - Jeff

> Kasey.
>
> This is quite an interesting set of ideas.
>
> As much as I would like to comment I think Rory and Patrick would be
> better suited to the essay required to respond!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: hidalgo_girl05 [elfgirl_06@c...]
> Sent: Monday, 14 February 2005 1:43 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] The Issue of Forced Labor
>
> *
> In "Tomorrow's Tide" when Burke and Virdon show the poor fishermen

> Either way they go they lose. Even their superiors, the apes in

> In a way it's like the poor-black sharecroppers at the end of the

> So these humans and even apes will have no way of gaining higher

> Thoughts? Comments?
>
> Kasey/Undomiel

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2005 9:02:49 AM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > The few times we hear of any reference to money in the apes saga.
>
> There was one more that comes to mind: "The Tyrant" where they
speak of using
> gold to buy Aboro's position (using gold as a monetary source, a
source of
> wealth). Plus, there has to be money in their society, otherwise
how can there
> be rich land owning apes and poor peasants? Money (wealth) is what
is
> seperating them...

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/14/2005 9:28:22 AM Central Standard Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
> > They were independent in the sense, they weren't starving
>
> They weren't independent at all... In "The Tyrant" Mikal speaks
of "not
> wanting just enough food to stay alive", which shows that they are
scraping to get
> by... The only reason the humans don't look "starved" is because
the actors
> playing them weren't, but it was supposed to be implied that they
lived under
> very poor conditions...

>
> The Apes have the guns. But there are other ways to kill.

> farming tools (pitchforks, hoes, etc)... other tools (hammers,
> blacksmith irons, etc)... ANY thing that might be used as a weapon
> would be at the disposal of the workforce of slaves. Even their

> hands, clenched into fists. If they have nothing left to lose,

> it'll be tooth-and-claw. And they'll use "terror", too. They won't
> restrict their violence to just the armed gorillas: they'll kill
> unarmed orangutans and chimpanzees, too. Their children. Their

> Any target, in order to frighten the Apes into giving the Humans

> freedom they demand. And it'll merely escalate the violence.
>
> It's what's happening in the real world NOW, after all.
>
> Patrick