--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Neil Foster wrote:

>I thought the way Scrolls operated was that you recieved an issue and if you wanted to

keep getting it you then paid for the next issue.

For Europe ONLY: Payments are generally made in arrears. Our European readers recieve
an issue along with a request for payment - Once that issue is paid for they are then
automatically sent a copy of the next issue as it becomes available (along with a request
for payment), etc.

For America and Canada ONLY: Payments are made in advance to Kassidy Rae.

All other territories: Please contact the editor or myself for more info.

Concerning Europe (which accounts for the vast majority of our readership) the only
reason we work this way is that we are reluctant to accept advance payments for anything
which doesn't yet exist. Scrolls is a fanzine subject to all kinds of delays and obstacles.
That we published issue 2 was mildly surprising, that we are now planning issue 11 is
nothing short of a miracle!

Dave B

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In a message dated 3/3/2005 10:56:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- And let's not forget the two seriously injured HUMANS.

 

It's like trying to deal with a little caveman.

No offense to any Cavemen out there, but

shopping for car insurance is so easy now.

 

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Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> May I please remind everyone that a chimpanzee has been shot and
killed!
> HELLO PEOPLE!

-- And let's not forget the two seriously injured HUMANS.

Neil

go vegetarian!

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Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday!
Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web

I read this morning that one of the chimps chewed off
most of the face of one of the people (they were
visitors not workers) and that they were trying to re
attach his nose. Two chimps were killed and that the
other two were captured.

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 3/3/05 8:38:13 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@... writes:
>
>
> > They must have been girls!!
> >
> > Go Marauders!!!
> >
> > Helen
> >
>
> May I please remind everyone that a chimpanzee has
> been shot and killed!
>
> HELLO PEOPLE!
>
> -- Rory
>

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.html.html In a message dated 3/3/05 11:56:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> May I please remind everyone that a chimpanzee has been shot and
killed!
> HELLO PEOPLE!

-- And let's not forget the two seriously injured HUMANS.

Neil

Screw the humans, there's plenty of them.

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.html.html In a message dated 3/4/05 2:38:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

The same thing happened here.  Some kids were
chucking rocks into the gorilla habitat at a male
named Jabari until he'd had enough and found
a way out.  The cops shot him, even though
they had rehearsed for just such an eventuality.
I swear, one gorilla goes on a tear and all those
years of training goes right out the window!

As far as I'm concerned apes in zoos is just like people in prison, and any incidents like these are merely another example of how bad WE are.

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Chimps Maul Visitor at Calif. Sanctuary

Fri Mar 4,10:03 AM ET

�U.S. National - AP

By KIM CURTIS, Associated Press Writer

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. - A couple's plans for a birthday
party for their former pet chimpanzee turned tragic
when two other chimps at an animal sanctuary escaped
from their cage and attacked. The man was critically
injured with massive wounds to his face, body and
limbs, and the attacking animals were shot dead.

�

St. James and LaDonna Davis were at the Animal Haven
Ranch in Caliente to celebrate the birthday of Moe, a
39-year-old chimpanzee who was taken from their
suburban Los Angeles home in 1999 after biting off
part of a woman's finger.


Moe was not involved in Thursday's attack, said Steve
Martarano, a spokesman for the California Department
of Fish and Game.


The couple had brought Moe a cake and were standing
outside his cage when Buddy and Ollie, two of four
chimpanzees in the adjoining cage, attacked St. James
Davis, Martarano said. Officials have not determined
how the chimps got out of their enclosure, he said.


LaDonna Davis, 64, suffered a bite wound to the hand
while trying to help her 62-year-old husband,
Martarano said.


The son-in-law of the sanctuary's owner killed the
attacking animals, Martarano said.


"He saw what was happening and had one kind of weapon
with him and then got another he felt would be more
substantial and shot them," Martarano said. "He pretty
much saved a life."


St. James Davis had severe facial injuries and would
require extensive surgery in an attempt to reattach
his nose, Dr. Maureen Martin of Kern Medical Center
told KGET-TV of Bakersfield. His testicles and a foot
also were severed, Kern County Sheriff's Cmdr. Hal
Chealander told The Bakersfield Californian.


Davis was transported to Loma Linda University Medical
Center, where he was undergoing surgery late Thursday,
Martarano said.


Buddy, a 16-year-old male chimp, initiated the attack
and after he was shot, Ollie, a 13-year-old male,
grabbed the gravely injured man and dragged him down
the road, authorities said.


"Everybody was trying to get the chimp off,"
Chealander said.


Two other chimps, females named Susie and Bones, also
escaped from the cage they shared with Ollie and
Buddy, prompting sheriff's deputies, animal control
workers, and Fish and Game officials to launch a
search.


The wayward pair were recovered by Animal Haven owner
Virginia Brauer after five hours. Martarano said one
chimp was two miles from the sanctuary, located 25
miles southeast of Bakersfield.


The Davises had waged an unsuccessful legal fight to
bring Moe back to their West Covina home and visited
him regularly at the sanctuary where he had been
living since October. They brought the chimp from
Africa decades ago after a poacher killed his mother.


Animal Haven Ranch has held state permits to shelter
animals since 1985 and serves as a sanctuary for
animals that have been confiscated or discovered lost,
Martarano said.


It is allowed to house up to nine primates at one time
and is home to one spider monkey and six chimpanzees,
he said. The permits are held by Virginia and Ralph
Brauer, whom neighbors described as responsible animal
lovers.


"She's devoted her whole life to taking care of these
chimpanzees," said Jeanne Miller, a family friend.






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.html.html In a message dated 3/4/05 2:43:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

As far as I'm concerned apes in zoos is just like people in prison, and any incidents like these are merely another example of how bad WE are.

-- Rory

I forgot to add "except the apes aren't guilty of anything."

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-- Rory<.html<.html

There are over 3,000 great apes in captivity in the United States
alone.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> All I can say about this entire incident is that the humans
running the place
> are "lousy human bastards" because something must have been VERY
wrong there
> to make these chimps so hostile. There's something smelly about
the whole
> thing, and chimps, no matter what they did to anyone are innocent
creatures that
> shouldn't be there in the first place.
>
> -- Rory

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The moral to that story is bring enough cake for everyone.

What kind of name is St. James anyway?  Who made

him a saint?  Simon Templar?

 

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:57 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil Foster

Have a great day Neil!

 

Michael

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From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 4:08 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] All-New Planet of the Apes Cards Coming Soon!

Hurry up!

 

Michael

 

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To: whitty@...
Subject: All-New Planet of the Apes Cards Coming Soon!

 

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In a message dated 3/5/2005 12:47:30 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Happy Birthday, Neil. Thanks for all the artwork!

 

Yeah, Happy Birthday Neil.

Where's this amazing homepage art?

 

 

"Neil, why do you keep running in here and yelling surprise?"

 

"Well, it's my birthday."

 

"Now you knew that anyway, and we don't care. 

So where's the surprise?"

 

~~~Mike & Neil from The Young Ones~~~~

 

 

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Hope you get lots of stuff you want and everything you need. Hope
you have/had a great day!

Happy birthday!

Helen

Have a great day Neil!

 

Michael

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I have received some information that may be helpful in knowing
where the chimp actress that played Milo and Salome in Escape now
lives.

Greg P. mentioned that when he viewed the video Behind the POTA he
could hear the trainer calling the chimp actress "Kelly." With a
name, I went back to some of the people/organizations that I had
contacted earlier and that set the wheels in motion to locate
our "Milo."

There are some missing links in the story, and a bit of a change in
the spelling of the name. I have run into this same problem in the
past when researching Rev war soldiers. It will be important to
have some confirmation, and I am working on that now.

Because it is also important not to alarm the people who may now
have Kelly, I am not going to post names or agencies particular to
her life history at this time. If you would like to help with the
search or suggest ideas, I would love to hear from you. It isn't
important that I find her, but that we find her.

Yeah Neil...have a great birthday!!!!!!!!

Tim

--- veetus@... wrote:

> Happy Birthday, Neil. Thanks for all the artwork!
> - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 7:57 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Happy Birthday Neil Foster
>
>
> Have a great day Neil!
>
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
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Good work helen! It looks like you are very close to
finding her.....I hate to think she was a lab
experiment.....What can i do to help?

Tim

--- ape_mom <sand_hill_school@...> wrote:

>
> I have received some information that may be helpful
> in knowing
> where the chimp actress that played Milo and Salome
> in Escape now
> lives.
>
> Greg P. mentioned that when he viewed the video
> Behind the POTA he
> could hear the trainer calling the chimp actress
> "Kelly." With a
> name, I went back to some of the
> people/organizations that I had
> contacted earlier and that set the wheels in motion
> to locate
> our "Milo."
>
> There are some missing links in the story, and a bit
> of a change in
> the spelling of the name. I have run into this same
> problem in the
> past when researching Rev war soldiers. It will be
> important to
> have some confirmation, and I am working on that
> now.
>
> Because it is also important not to alarm the people
> who may now
> have Kelly, I am not going to post names or agencies
> particular to
> her life history at this time. If you would like to
> help with the
> search or suggest ideas, I would love to hear from
> you. It isn't
> important that I find her, but that we find her.
> >

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Chimpanzee Attack Doesn't Surprise Experts

Sat Mar 5, 9:02 AM ET

�Top Stories - AP

By KIM CURTIS and TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press
Writers

HAVILAH, Calif. - Chimpanzees come across to the
public as little darlings, often in diapers and always
willing to hold hands. But they're really aggressors,
primate experts say, more than capable of carrying out
attacks as violent as one that left a man fighting for
his life.

Generally weighing between 120 and 150 pounds with
strength much greater than man, chimps in the wild are
known to kill chimps from neighboring groups, hunt
other primates and even attack humans.

"Male chimps are intensely territorial. They defend
their territory against any perceived threat," said
Craig Stanford, a professor at the University of
Southern California who studies primate behavior.
"Chimps can be violent at times just as humans can
be."

On Friday, authorities continued to investigate how
two chimps at an animal sanctuary escaped from their
cage and mauled St. James Davis, 62. They were shot to
death during Thursday's attack by the son-in-law of
the sanctuary's owners, Virginia and Ralph Brauer.

Animal Haven Ranch, about 30 miles east of
Bakersfield, has held state permits to shelter exotic
animals since 1985. It is allowed to house up to nine
primates at one time and is home to one spider monkey
and six chimpanzees.

"A big part of the investigation will be figuring out
whether the owners were in compliance with
regulations," Sheriff's Cmdr. Hal Chealander said.

State wildlife and county health authorities were
testing the chimps for rabies and other diseases that
could affect the victims' health, Chealander said.

Davis, 62, and his wife, LaDonna Davis, 64, were
visiting the sanctuary to celebrate the birthday of a
39-year-old chimpanzee, Moe, who was taken from their
home in 1999 after biting off part of a woman's
finger.

The couple had brought Moe a cake and were standing
outside his cage when the two young male chimps, Ollie
and Buddy, attacked the man.

Two other chimps, females named Susie and Bones, also
escaped from the cage. They were recovered outside the
sanctuary five hours later.

Susie and Bones could have played a role in the
attack, primate experts said.

"We know that one of the most reliable predictors of
increased male aggression is the presence of sexually
receptive females," said Jeffrey French, a
psychobiologist who studies primate behavior at the
University of Nebraska, Omaha.

The chimps chewed off most of Davis' face, tore off
his foot and attacked his limbs and genitals. Davis
was transported to Loma Linda University Medical
Center, where he had surgery late Thursday night.

The medical center would not release any information
about Davis' condition on Friday. Hospital spokeswoman
Julie Smith said the family requested confidentiality.


LaDonna Davis was bitten on the hand. She was released
from the hospital Friday .

The Brauers would not speak to reporters, but a family
friend gave a statement to The Associated Press, which
read, "All of us here at Animal Haven Ranch are
praying for the recovery of St. James Davis and
LaDonna Davis."

"This is the only incident in 20 years of operation,"
the statement said.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals have
called on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (news - web
sites) to ban private ownership of exotic animals in
California, citing the increasing popularity of
keeping such animals as pets. The group said there
have been more than 90 reported dangerous incidents
nationwide involving primates since 1990.

.html.html In a message dated 3/5/05 12:52:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

The chimps chewed off most of Davis' face, tore off
his foot and attacked his limbs and genitals.

Ouch!  Chimps is the nastiest of peoples!

-- Rory<.html <.html

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Greg P. mentioned that when he viewed the video Behind the POTA he
could hear the trainer calling the chimp actress "Kelly." With a
name, I went back to some of the people/organizations that I had
contacted earlier and that set the wheels in motion to locate
our "Milo."

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In a message dated 3/5/2005 9:30:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

The ChimpanZoo database also seems to support this "history".  The
database has information on a female chimpanzee named Kelley that
roughly
follows the life course described.   Kelley, stud # 0248 first shows
up

 

That's odd.  If in fact it is the same chimp

why would the female spelling change from

Kelly to the male Kelley.  And stud is a male

term as well, as in horse breeding, being put

out to stud.

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A lot of Props have to go to Hunter, the source material for those DVD's
were tapes I taped circa 1988. They were in good shape and they were, of
course, the master tapes but they were also in Extended Play. They looked
quite good for being in the extended play speed but the DVD's tweaked the
image for more color stability than videotape can provide.

He did a great job.

Mike

>
>
>
>
>i recently received my copy of the Return DVD (thank you greg p).
>
>and as a long-time collector of bootlegs, i can say with confidence that
>this is by far the best i have ever seen.
>
>hunter, i am amazed.
>
>for those unfamiliar with the world of pirate videos:
>
>when you pay your $20 (USD) you will usually get a very grainy third of
>fourth generation copy. it will also come with commercials, and will not
>always have open or end credits.
>
>and unless it is a copy of a commercially available title, you will likely
>not be getting any box art.
>
>so, my incredible admiration to everyone involved with this project.
>
>rob/ron
>
>

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That's just weird!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> Fan fic writers, be careful who reads your works in progress.
Especially your grandmas. The thought police are coming.
> A kid in Kentucky faces a felony terrorist threat charge for a
zombie story he was writing as a school assignment. We have to
ferret these people out. Someone keep an eye on Stephen King. I
never did trust him.
> http://www.lex18.com/global/story.asp?
s=2989614&ClientType=Printable
> - - - Jeff

Thanks, Greg.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> For those who want to check this themselves, it's not actually in
the Behind documentary, but in one of the featurettes that was
included on both the Image DVD release of the documentary and the
35th anniversary DVD release of Planet. It's the 'Don Taylor directs
Escape' featurette.
>
> Greg P.
>
> ape_mom <sand_hill_school@y...> wrote:
> Greg P. mentioned that when he viewed the video Behind the POTA he
> could hear the trainer calling the chimp actress "Kelly." With a
> name, I went back to some of the people/organizations that I had
> contacted earlier and that set the wheels in motion to locate
> our "Milo."

Yes, and is says "female." I'm really rather hoping they are two
different chimps!

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 3/5/2005 9:30:20 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
> The ChimpanZoo database also seems to support this "history".
The
> database has information on a female chimpanzee named Kelley that
> roughly
> follows the life course described. Kelley, stud # 0248 first
shows
> up
>
>
>
>
> That's odd. If in fact it is the same chimp
> why would the female spelling change from
> Kelly to the male Kelley. And stud is a male
> term as well, as in horse breeding, being put
> out to stud.

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Hey Neil. Just wanted to kiss your ass a little on your Birthday. You
really have produced some of the coolest Planet of the Apes comic art
that I have ever seen and some of your work holds very solid spots in
my Planet of the Apes collection. I hope you still have years worth
of excitement left in you for the Apes projects cause' I don't think
I could get tired of looking at it. With much thanks and sincere best
wishes. Happy Birthday. --The Good Dr. Zaius Davis

Neil is 85 so don't get your hopes up TOO much for more years worth. Maybe
2ish more years? But we certainly appreciate his hard work at this late
stage. - - - The Good Dr. Zauis Veetus

----- Original Message -----
From: "John" <DrZaiusDavis@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 8:43 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Happy Birthday Neil Foster


>
>
> Hey Neil. Just wanted to kiss your ass a little on your Birthday. You
> really have produced some of the coolest Planet of the Apes comic art
> that I have ever seen and some of your work holds very solid spots in
> my Planet of the Apes collection. I hope you still have years worth
> of excitement left in you for the Apes projects cause' I don't think
> I could get tired of looking at it. With much thanks and sincere best
> wishes. Happy Birthday. --The Good Dr. Zaius Davis
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> Neil is 85 so don't get your hopes up TOO much for more years

worth.

-- Ha! Actually some days I do feel that old!
Thank you to everyone who wished me a happy Birthday I really
appreciate it, you are a fantastic bunch and I luvs you all!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> When I spoke to you last night and you had not yet received a

Birthday Card from your parents in England I got the impression that
you might think nobody loves and or appreciates you. Well think
again!
I sent a private email to the DG asking for members to contribute to
a present for you. You will be getting a set of the new Rittenhouse
cards and as many Sideshow figures as I can buy with the
contributions.
With the amount of people showing their support by donating to the
cause so far, all I can say is that there's "a hundred yellow
ribbons round the old oak tree"! :-)

-- Well this is one heck of a suprise and really there is no real
need to do something like this for little old me, not that I don't
appreciate the gesture, but I really wouldn't want people giving up
their hard earned cash just for me.

I still haven't recieved anything from my parents but after reading
all the nice comments from all you great folks I feel a whole lot
better about it all. Thanks.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> "Neil, why do you keep running in here and yelling surprise?"
> "Well, it's my birthday."
> "Now you knew that anyway, and we don't care. So where's the

surprise?"

-- Very nice Lord T, I'm a big fan of the Young Ones. Now if I could
only figure out why they named a long haired, stupid, lazy, peace
loving hippy - Neil... Oh right, that must have been who those
blokes were following me around all those years ago...

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> PS Neil - do we deserve another chapter of Within now?!??! :-)

-- Done!

Neil

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In a message dated 3/6/2005 3:35:39 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Now if I could only figure out why they named a long haired, stupid, lazy, peace
loving hippy - Neil...

He couldn't have been too lazy.

Not if he did all the cooking and

cleaning.  ; )

 

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In a message dated 3/6/2005 5:09:09 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Shut up hippy – you're BORING me!

Rick

 

Wick?

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Wow the animations work after all!

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Hello,

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Within - strip 29

I wonder how many other loopholes there are to the 19th scroll besides treason?

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Within - strip 29

 

After Caesar killed Aldo at the end of Battle, do you think he later justified it as punishment for the crime of murder, or as punishment for trying to take over the Ape government?

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Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 1:20 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Within - strip 29


After Caesar killed Aldo at the end of Battle, do you think he later justified it as punishment for the crime of murder, or as punishment for trying to take over the Ape government?


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> I think generally pissing off Ursus or Zaius would do it. They are

stereotypical politicians in many ways: say one thing, do another,
and justify it in the name of the greater good.

--That's the way I see them too, do as I say but not as I do!
Ursus did seem quite unconcerned about 'removing' the protesters in
Beneath and it was only Zaius' intervention that seemed to prevent a
massacre.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> Happy Birthday Neil! Take a day off! Elaine

++++ yeah, and Happy bloody Birthday from MT-B, as well!!!!!

MT-B.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Mike R" <mego73@h...> wrote:

> A lot of Props have to go to Hunter, the source material for those

DVD's

> were tapes I taped circa 1988. They were in good shape and they

were, of

> course, the master tapes but they were also in Extended Play. They

looked

> quite good for being in the extended play speed but the DVD's

tweaked the

> image for more color stability than videotape can provide.
>
> He did a great job.
>
> Mike
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >i recently received my copy of the Return DVD (thank you greg p).
> >
> >and as a long-time collector of bootlegs, i can say with

confidence that

> >this is by far the best i have ever seen.
> >
> >hunter, i am amazed.
> >
> >for those unfamiliar with the world of pirate videos:
> >
> >when you pay your $20 (USD) you will usually get a very grainy

third of

> >fourth generation copy. it will also come with commercials, and

will not

> >always have open or end credits.
> >
> >and unless it is a copy of a commercially available title, you

will likely

> >not be getting any box art.
> >
> >so, my incredible admiration to everyone involved with this

project.

> >
> >rob/ron

++++ Er, yes... This is MT-B here adding a little bit to the above.

I recently received the 2 RETURN DVDs in the post from Hoknes and I
have to echo what the chaps above have said.

This is beautiful work and I would just like to say that I REALLY
APPRECIATE what Hunter and the rest of the gang have done.

Thank You All. Very, very much.

Mark T-B.

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From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
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After Caesar killed Aldo at the end of Battle, do you think he later justified it as punishment for the crime of murder, or as punishment for trying to take over the Ape government?

I think neither one... The whole point of that was showing that the apes were as capable of "being human" as the humans they tried to be better than...

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"Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
Subject: RE: Re:

Nice Kaz!  :-)

 

YOUR WELCOME.

 

KAZ.

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I checked this out in the 35th Anniversary DVD. It does sound like
they are calling the chimp Kelly/Kelley. I also notice that while
they are attaching the nose they talk to the chimp: "Terrific Fella"
and "That'a Boy" -- not that the makeup guy would know.

Thanks, again, Greg P!!

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> For those who want to check this themselves, it's not actually in
the Behind documentary, but in one of the featurettes that was
included on both the Image DVD release of the documentary and the
35th anniversary DVD release of Planet. It's the 'Don Taylor directs
Escape' featurette.
>
> Greg P.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Kassidy Rae <valwp@y...> wrote:

> Some really nice new things up on site.
> http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com

-- Very cool Kass.

Neil

Attachments :

I think I found the pic they modeled Sideshow
Cornelius on......here's a comparison as well as
Mendez.........
Tim

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I agree...the viewmaster show is great.....Do we know
who any of the humans are in those B&W backstage
shots?
Tim

-- Neil <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae
> <valwp@y...> wrote:
> > Some really nice new things up on site.
> > http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com
>
> -- Very cool Kass.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
>

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> As we have recently had to 'revamp' the group it will be necessary

for all of those who were previously members of the Archives to also
(re)join.

-- I should have cut this part from the previous message, this was
refering to an earlier time, sorry!

Neil

Thanks for reminding everyone about the archives, Neil. I actually
went back in the archives a few weeks ago to copy off a conversation
from last year for Kasey. Everything is in a text file that can be
searched, so things are actually quite accessible.

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Just wanted to let everyone know that the group's posts for
February
> 2004 have been deleted from the main site and can now be found in
the
> files section of the Archives group as a text file:
>
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/
>
> >
> One very important point - to access the old posts etc. you will
need to
> be a member of the Archives group. As we have recently had
to 'revamp'
> the group it will be necessary for all of those who were previously
> members of the Archives to also (re)join.
>
> > Thanks,
> Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: ape_mom [sand_hill_school@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 1:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Group Posts for February 2004 moved and deleted

Thanks for reminding everyone about the archives, Neil.  I actually
went back in the archives a few weeks ago to copy off a conversation
from last year for Kasey.  Everything is in a text file that can be
searched, so things are actually quite accessible.

Helen


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Just wanted to let everyone know that the group's posts for
February
> 2004 have been deleted from the main site and can now be found in
the
> files section of the Archives group as a text file:
> 
> http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/
> 
> >
> One very important point - to access the old posts etc. you will
need to
> be a member of the Archives group. As we have recently had
to 'revamp'
> the group it will be necessary for all of those who were previously
> members of the Archives to also (re)join.
>

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Glad you like, Neil. Tim, unfortunately I don't know who the humans
are, though the dark-haired girl has a tape recorder, so a reporter?
The man might be an executive?
Lass

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> I agree...the viewmaster show is great.....Do we know
> who any of the humans are in those B&W backstage
> shots?
> Tim
>
> -- Neil <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Kassidy Rae
> > <valwp@y...> wrote:
> > > Some really nice new things up on site.
> > > http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com
> >
> > -- Very cool Kass.
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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In a message dated 3/7/2005 12:32:08 P.M. Central Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

I also notice that while
they are attaching the nose they talk to the chimp

 

That's not the only chimp associated nose attachment. Ouch!

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: Kassidy Rae

To: pota ; potadg@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 10:41 AM

Subject: [Planet of the Apes] website update

Some really nice new things up on site.  New artwork (an oil painting no less, of Virdon from a talented artist named Graham Smith), some great new photos (a couple of contact sheets, actually, with some pictures I don't think any of us have seen on the set of the tv series - courtesy of Rob Reading), and the View-Master slides, complete, for your enjoyment.  Dial-up users may have a hard time with this one, but once it is loaded on your machine, the slides are looping, so you can wait for the first one to pop up (they're numbered).  Dave Ballard was a big contributor to the VM slides, along with Greg Plonowski, Alan Maxwell, and John Roche.  Hope I haven't forgotten to credit anyone:)

Anybody has the Chad Valley projection slides for the tv series, I'd love to get them scanned and hosted on site (hint hint)

http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com

 

Kassidy

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> I wonder how many other loopholes there are to the 19th scroll

besides treason?

>
> After Caesar killed Aldo at the end of Battle, do you think he

later justified it as punishment for the crime of murder, or as
punishment for trying to take over the Ape government?

>
> Greg P.

*** I'm guessing the former. After all, the entire community of
simians chanted in unison "Ape has killed ape" over & over & over.
They KNOW what Aldo did and did nothing to prevent Caesar's response
to the revelation of murder. They are complicit in Caesar's actions,
which is one good reason why MacDonald can say that the apes in
general have "joined the human race". It wasn't just Caesar who did
Aldo in -- it was ALL the apes. I don't recall hearing even ONE ape
speak up in protest, not even to suggest putting Aldo on trial for
this ALLEGED murder. The apes became, in essence, a lynch mob,
though Caesar himself was the only active member of it.

Patrick

P.S. I haven't been able to get online lately due to an infestation
of adware/spyware that has compromised my home pc. I'm typing this
at a library computer. Argh. I'm just about ready to hunt down and
murder the bastards who've polluted the net with all those g**d***ed
viruses. Maybe I'll be able to figure out how to cure my computer,
but I ain't no computer whiz and I'm having a rotten time of it.
Wish me luck.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> Good luck with the computer problems. Been there!

-- Yeah, good luck Patrick, bloody computers! I hate them and all
their hassles but couldn't live without one!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...>
wrote:

> ***hey everyone;
> I told DPC about the action figure, and this was his comment. (He

said it was ok to share it)***

> I didn't think of him as a scary 'dude'. He was
> just there to protect the last of Human kind!!
> ...................DPC///

-- That is a good point.
Dr. Hasslein and Gov. Breck who in their own ways were also trying
to protect their own species are also seen as 'bad guys'.

Neil

Thanks for sharing Mr. Colley's comments on his action figure. It was
cool to see that he enjoyed the idea and was so appreciative that
people cared enough about his character for it to be created into a
action figure. I wish more actor's shared his attitude.

Hey Kass. I was wondering where the Viewmaster you have posted is
from? The packaging is different from the envelope mine came in as a
kid and the captions are all different. It seems to be the same
photos though. Nothing beats the cheesey 3-D effects of the original
Viewmaster. I remember being totally blown away by these as a kid.

National Geographic had a bit about the sanctuary, Save the Chimps,
that Rory told us about a while back.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0806_040806_tv_chimpa
nzee.htmlbr>
Actually, Sarah Baeckler, our guest a few weeks back, is interviewed
in this article that describes the chimps' reactions to being
introduced to their safe new living environment.

I was interested to see that chimps sent to retirement at government
funded sanctuaries are often sent back to work as lab chimps!!
What's that about? Anyway, these chimps are purchased privately and
will not go back to work. I wish Kelly (Milo) was here, but I'm
guessing it isn't likely since these are Coulston chimps.

Helen

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Mike and Neil, I'm enjoying it immensely. You know what, that last
drawing of Virdon is incredible - he's so recognizable with such
minimal pencil strokes. At any rate, well done. Congrats on a fine
comic.
Kass

John, I think John Roche had these. Dave scanned them. I know they
were talking about another set, though. Maybe they can answer your
question a little better.
Kass

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
>
> Hey Kass. I was wondering where the Viewmaster you have posted is
> from? The packaging is different from the envelope mine came in as
a
> kid and the captions are all different. It seems to be the same
> photos though. Nothing beats the cheesey 3-D effects of the
original
> Viewmaster. I remember being totally blown away by these as a kid.

.html.html In a message dated 3/9/05 6:38:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

National Geographic had a bit about the sanctuary, Save the Chimps,
that Rory told us about a while back.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0806_040806_tv_chimpa
nzee.htmlbr>

We just did our monthly progress photos for them yesterday.  The place is still under construction.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Do they have chimps there yet, then? It was written in August and I
thought it was a little premature, but whatever. Is part of the
sanctuary open?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/05 6:38:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > National Geographic had a bit about the sanctuary, Save the
Chimps,
> > that Rory told us about a while back.
> >
> >
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0806_040806_tv_chimpa
> > nzee.htmlbr> > >
> >
>
> We just did our monthly progress photos for them yesterday. The
place is
> still under construction.
>
> -- Rory

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Mike and Neil, I'm enjoying it immensely.  You know what, that last
drawing of Virdon is incredible - he's so recognizable with such
minimal pencil strokes. At any rate, well done.  Congrats on a fine
comic.
Kass

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 6:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Save the Chimps

In a message dated 3/9/05 6:38:52 AM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

National Geographic had a bit about the sanctuary, Save the Chimps,
that Rory told us about a while back.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/08/0806_040806_tv_chimpa
nzee.htmlbr>

We just did our monthly progress photos for them yesterday.  The place is still under construction.

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 3/9/05 2:49:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, sand_hill_school@... writes:

Do they have chimps there yet, then?  It was written in August and I
thought it was a little premature, but whatever.  Is part of the
sanctuary open?

I don't think there are any chimps there yet.  I've really studied the photos and I don't see any, but I could be wrong.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 3/9/05 4:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Can you tell us more about these "monthly progress photos"?

We take aerial photos every month of the progress that is going on with things under construction.  Sometimes it's for insurance, sometimes so the company can show how things are progressing.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: Haristas@... [Haristas@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Save the Chimps

In a message dated 3/9/05 4:44:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Can you tell us more about these "monthly progress photos"?

We take aerial photos every month of the progress that is going on with things under construction.  Sometimes it's for insurance, sometimes so the company can show how things are progressing.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [urko3085@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 12:29 PM
To: friends & fugitives; pota; PotaDG
Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK Issue 21

This week's issue is now available for download from Hunter's site.

 

Greg P.

 

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Kassidy Rae" <valwp@y...> wrote:

> Mike and Neil, I'm enjoying it immensely. You know what, that

last drawing of Virdon is incredible - he's so recognizable with
such minimal pencil strokes. At any rate, well done. Congrats on a
fine comic.

-- Thank you Kass, high praise indeed from Mrs. POTA TV!
I am actually hard at work on the next 4 pages right now and hope to
have them ready soon.

I just had a more leisurely look around your site
(http://planetoftheapestv.150m.com/) as I only got to visit it very
briefly the other day and it is looking fantastic.

Neil

Did you get a chance to read the article? Are they talking about
the same place?

Helen

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 3/9/05 2:49:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> sand_hill_school@y... writes:
>
>
> > Do they have chimps there yet, then? It was written in August
and I
> > thought it was a little premature, but whatever. Is part of the
> > sanctuary open?
> >
> >
>
> I don't think there are any chimps there yet. I've really studied
the photos
> and I don't see any, but I could be wrong.
>
> -- Rory