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I know they had at least 3 issues but I'm not sure how far they went after that.

There was a grand total of four TERROR reprints...

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics 'Terror' reprint mini-series

In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:39:34 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I know they had at least 3 issues but I'm not sure how far they went after that.

There was a grand total of four TERROR reprints...

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.html.html In a message dated 4/14/2005 1:21:08 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did anyone else hope maybe they were going to do a full run

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Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 4:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Adventure Comics 'Terror' reprint mini-series

In a message dated 4/14/2005 1:21:08 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did anyone else hope maybe they were going to do a full run

I was hoping ADVENTURE was gonna do a run of DECENT stories!!! I expected too much in that department...

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I would have settled for them disclosing the finales of some Terror/Future Chronicles stories.

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
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In a message dated 4/14/2005 1:37:20 AM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I would have settled for them disclosing the finales of some Terror/Future Chronicles stories.

You mean that they would have printed what (if anything) MARVEL had planned on using before the magazine ended it's run? Or, would have you liked to see them just pick up where MARVEL left off and filled in the rest with their own stories based on what already happened?

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There was just the Future Chronicles and Terror wasn't there?

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In a message dated 4/14/2005 12:13:01 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  Maybe Tuska didn't have time to do the eyes and Nancy drew them

 

Is the a Nancy Drew Mystery?

 

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In a message dated 4/14/2005 12:46:23 A.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Maybe Jeff is dead, like Paul McCartney he has been replaced by a clone!

 

I are the Eggman, coo coo cachoo!

 

Or am I the Walrus?  Well, one or

the other, or both, or neither . . .

as well as the one and only

Billy Shears!

 

 

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On the subject of the Tuska sketch, there's really nothing to investigate.
It came from the man himself so if it's a joke then it's a joke on all of
us.

I don't want to dredge up the "missing episodes" article again but I will
say that anyone who is still holding that against us or was disgruntled by
the focus of issue 9 is really missing a great issue in #10.

I am assuming that nobody seriously thinks we went to the bother of faking a
George Tuska sketch but in the event that anyone really does doubt it, what
I will say is that if we were really determined to do a "fake" then I think
it would need to be something more ambitious than one solitary sketch by an
artist who was not even one of the better remembered of the Marvel mag era
and secondly, we'd probably have contacted the guy who did the mock-up comic
art for the missing episodes article. Now if only I could remember who that
was...

I'm surprised by the amount of attention that has been given to one little
sketch which I admit myself is far from Tuska's finest but there is really
nothing else I can add to this, particularly if it is going to be a
discussion about the integrity of Simian Scrolls rather than the work of
George Tuska.

Alan

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>I'm surprised by the amount of attention that

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We had a good string of Batman / Planet of the Apes tie ins up to
this point.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> And Tim Burton directed the Batman movie! - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Neil" <nfoster@h...>
> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:58 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Batman the animated Roddy
>
>
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > >
> > > In a message dated 4/13/2005 9:59:50 P.M. Central Standard
Time,
> > > DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
> > >
> > > We just started watching them and I had forgotten
> > > that Roddy Mcdowall did the voice for the Mad Hatter.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not only that but he was The Book Worm in the live action
series.
> >
> > -- And I have a cassette tape of him reading the novelisation
based on
> > the Batman movie!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Hey, when did that voice that tells me to kill Neil and Michael for
not posting new comics start talking to you to? I don't worship the
Devil... but I do agree with alot of the things he tells me.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> To be honest, I'm working on "Chronicles". I'm hoping to get this
stuff out soon (finally). I hope it's worth all the research. - - -
Jeff
>
> Jeff lies! He'll never finish those! He just wants to party! - - -
Bad Jeff
>
> You keep out of this! Yes I will finish it. - - - Jeff
>
> When? In 2050? You're a loser and you know it. - - - Bad Jeff
>
> How dare you, sir! I could finish it in 10 minutes if I wanted.
But I'd rather do a good job. - - - Jeff
>
> You're pathetic. And no one likes you. - - - Bad Jeff
>
> Yes they do! They will when I finish these. That's why they have
to be the best they can be. The nicest and polishest they can, right
Precious? - - - Jeff
>
> Murderer. - - - Bad Jeff
>
> What? No. That's ridiculous. Don't say things like that. - - -
Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Whitty, Michael
> To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:55 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
> I hope I'm wrong Jeff but this really looks like a fake.
>
> As I said about the fake TV Shows issue of Scrolls (#7?), that's
fine if you reveal SOMEWHERE that it is a fake.
>
> However if you go and mislead people for the hell of it, you run
the risk of alienating them and making people really ponder your
intentions.
>
> I consider myself a huge POTA fan and an ambassador for the
current fan-driven community, but the effect of that fake Scrolls
(followed by an issue that had very little to do with POTA OR the
fans - more a general comic book fan issue) has left me not even
bothering to seek another issue of Scrolls. Trust issues.
>
> Which brings me to ask - how might I fill that void by puchasing
a NEW Ape Chronicles? Do you have a date guys? Jef, could you put
on 100 ponds and float in a swimming pool holding the issue when it
is released? ;)
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:03 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
> Yeah, it turns out Tuska's been dead since 1998. Gotcha! Neil
drew it. Or maybe Nancy drew it. - - - Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Whitty
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:04 AM
> Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
> It is important - what the hell is going on?
>
>
>
> Is this another Scrolls "joke" or something?
>
>
>
> "Gee, they would have to be stupid to BELIEVE it - don't
blame US!"
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil [nfoster@h...]
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:33 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > It probably had something to do with being a quick sketch.
>
> -- I hate to keep banging on about this but if it was just a
quick
> sketch I don't understand why it doesn't look like Tuska's
style. I
> know that if I do a quick sketch it still looks like mine, to
me this
> just looks so unlike his work.
> It probably is just his age or something, I don't know, it's
probably
> not that important anyway.
>
> Neil
>
>
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>

Neil. I have a confession. You know I'm a huge fan of your
art...and ...well... I've been drawing pictures on bathroom stalls
all across America and signing your name. I know you've said you find
it hard to understand why someone would fake someone else's art and I
can't explain why I do it. I'm sorry. My circles are not as perfect
as "Tuska's" but my eyes don't come out like the Asian ape Krull
either. Please forgive me and if you share the latest comics you have
finished I promise I will stop doing this... for a while.








PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In <mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>

PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Alan

> Maxwell" < <mailto:alan@a> alan@a...> wrote:
> >if we were really determined to do a "fake" then I think it would

need

> to be something more ambitious than one solitary sketch by an

artist who

> was not even one of the better remembered of the Marvel mag era and
> secondly, we'd probably have contacted the guy who did the mock-up

comic

> art for the missing episodes article. Now if only I could remember

who

> that was...
>
> --Firstly I haven't accused you of doing a 'fake' I just pointed out
> something that to me didn't seem right and I just wanted

clarification.

> If you had contacted the "guy who did the mock-up comic art for the
> missing episodes article" to do a fake picture like this he would

have

> said no, there is a big difference copying an artist's style for an
> article that was never meant to be represented as real.
>
> >I'm surprised by the amount of attention that has been given to one
> little sketch which I admit myself is far from Tuska's finest but

there

> is really nothing else I can add to this, particularly if it is

going to

> be a discussion about the integrity of Simian Scrolls rather than

the

> work of George Tuska.
>
> -- Disappointing Alan. This is not and never was intended to be a
> discussion about the integrity Of Simian Scrolls and how dare you

make

> such an inflammatory accusation.
>
> This was just something I noticed and which really did puzzle me. I
> pride myself on being able to pick an artist's style and I am not

being

> big headed when I say that. Maybe being an artist I have an eye for
> these sort of things.
> As far as it being "far from Tuska's finest" I would go further than
> that, I would say it is one of his worst!
>
> You can keep telling us it is by Tuska but I'm sorry I just can't

see

> that myself it just doesn't look right. As for why anyone would

want to

> fake someone else's art, I have absolutely no idea, it makes no

logical

> sense to me either.
>
> Neil
>
> Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 11:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska? I doubt it!

 

Hey, when did that voice that tells me to kill Neil and Michael for
not posting new comics start talking to you to? I don't worship the
Devil... but I do agree with alot of the things he tells me.




--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   To be honest, I'm working on "Chronicles". I'm hoping to get this
stuff out soon (finally). I hope it's worth all the research. - - -
Jeff
>
>   Jeff lies! He'll never finish those! He just wants to party! - - -
Bad Jeff
>
>   You keep out of this! Yes I will finish it. - - - Jeff
>
>   When? In 2050? You're a loser and you know it. - - - Bad Jeff
>
>   How dare you, sir! I could finish it in 10 minutes if I wanted.
But I'd rather do a good job. - - - Jeff
>
>   You're pathetic. And no one likes you. - - - Bad Jeff
>
>   Yes they do! They will when I finish these. That's why they have
to be the best they can be. The nicest and polishest they can, right
Precious? - - - Jeff
>
>   Murderer. - - - Bad Jeff
>
>   What? No. That's ridiculous. Don't say things like that. - - -
Jeff
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Whitty, Michael
>   To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
>   Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:55 PM
>   Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
>   I hope I'm wrong Jeff but this really looks like a fake.
>
>   As I said about the fake TV Shows issue of Scrolls (#7?), that's
fine if you reveal SOMEWHERE that it is a fake.
>
>   However if you go and mislead people for the hell of it, you run
the risk of alienating them and making people really ponder your
intentions.
>
>   I consider myself a huge POTA fan and an ambassador for the
current fan-driven community, but the effect of that fake Scrolls
(followed by an issue that had very little to do with POTA OR the
fans - more a general comic book fan issue) has left me not even
bothering to seek another issue of Scrolls.  Trust issues.
>
>   Which brings me to ask - how might I fill that void by puchasing
a NEW Ape Chronicles?  Do you have a date guys?  Jef, could you put
on 100 ponds and float in a swimming pool holding the issue when it
is released?  ;)
>
>   Michael
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: veetus@e... [veetus@e...]
>     Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 2:03 AM
>     To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>     Subject: Re: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
>       Yeah, it turns out Tuska's been dead since 1998. Gotcha! Neil
drew it. Or maybe Nancy drew it. - - - Jeff
>
>       ----- Original Message -----
>       From: Michael Whitty
>       To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>       Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:04 AM
>       Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
>       It is important - what the hell is going on?
>
>       
>
>       Is this another Scrolls "joke" or something?
>
>       
>
>       "Gee, they would have to be stupid to BELIEVE it - don't
blame US!"
>
>       Michael
>
>       
>
>       -----Original Message-----
>       From: Neil [nfoster@h...]
>       Sent: Wednesday, 13 April 2005 10:33 PM
>       To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>       Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska
>
>       
>
>
>       --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>       >   It probably had something to do with being a quick sketch.
>
>       -- I hate to keep banging on about this but if it was just a
quick
>       sketch I don't understand why it doesn't look like Tuska's
style. I
>       know that if I do a quick sketch it still looks like mine, to
me this
>       just looks so unlike his work.
>       It probably is just his age or something, I don't know, it's
probably
>       not that important anyway.
>
>       Neil
>
>
>
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In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:43:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

You can keep telling us it is by Tuska but I'm sorry I just can't see that myself it just doesn't look right. As for why anyone would want to fake someone else's art, I have absolutely no idea, it makes no logical sense to me either.

 

 

Certainly as an artist you can do reproductions yourself.

Any artist worth his salt aught to be able to duplicate

another artists style.  That being said I don't see why

any decent artist couldn't change his style at will.  As

for being one of his worst, all art is subjective.  Though

there are many artists and even more art "critics" who

have the gall to say who's is good and who's is bad.

Just because you don't like something, that doesn't

make it bad.  Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.

 

"Beauty isn't something you see with your eyes.

It's something you hunger for, with your heart."

 

     ~~~Dave Vanian of The Damned~~~~

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In a message dated 4/15/2005 1:25:44 A.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- How very true, but poor draughtsmanship will always be poor draughtsmanship.

 

Unless that's what he was going for,

in which case, it's perfect!  Maybe

that's the style he was going for.

 

Ever hear of primitivism?

Some of Picasso's stuff looks

like it was done by a kindergardener.

 

Perhaps he's bitter about

being best know for Ape's 

He wouldn't be the first.

 

 

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OK Alan, just so we are clear.....

You are saying that the sketch in Scrolls of Urko (or Ursus?) holding a
pistol was sent to you from George Tuska and that the aforementioned ape
and the pistol were drawn by Tuska?

When you say "the man himself" you could really be saying that some
other man (himself!) sent it.

I know this is getting dull but could you please say very specifically
what was drawn by Tuska and how you know for sure it was drawn by him
please? Was it sent to John then sent on to you - or what?

I ask this because I have received MANY enquiries now from sceptics who
do not believe this to be the case, and I have also contacted somebody
at Fox to clarify what's going on here.

I have also been speaking to another well known Aussie comic artist (who
would prefer to be anonymous) who does not believe the ape is drawn by
Tuska.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Maxwell
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska


On the subject of the Tuska sketch, there's really nothing to
investigate.
It came from the man himself so if it's a joke then it's a joke on all
of
us.

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I can't find any evidence that tides create waves.

In fact the term Tidal Wave is a misnomer.

A Tsunami, or harbor wave, is earthquake born.

But winds and storms makes waves, not tides.

So even if there were no moon there would

still be waves, but not tides.  Though wave

can be changed with the tides , as the

underwater topography at high tide is

different than at low tide.  But even the

moon feels the tidal forces.  Stronger,

in fact, since the Earth is larger, and

exerts greater gravity on it than it on us.

The moon bulges under the force of it.

 

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Sorry to ramble on like Patrick.

I've had astronomy the last 2

semesters.

 

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Is it just me or is anyone else offended by

Americans being cast in the Hitchhikers Guide?

They just sound . . . too American!  After hearing

the television and radio shows for years it just

seems wrong.  I didn't even like Trillian in the

TV show!

 

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Then I guess it is certainly my loss Alan but really, I am quite pissed
off that nobody at Scrolls has ever admitted (in public) that it was a
poor decision. Not just that, but a few comments were made by both Dave
and John that people who were fooled are the ones with the problem. Ie
"How could anyone be so stupid?".

This contradicts private emails from both the aforementioned to myself
and to Neil where they admit to having made an error and ask both Neil
and I to divert group discussion and help Scrolls out.

So I am left with trust and belief issues.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Maxwell
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska

I don't want to dredge up the "missing episodes" article again but I
will
say that anyone who is still holding that against us or was disgruntled
by
the focus of issue 9 is really missing a great issue in #10.

It was Neil Foster....and I am assuming that nobody seriously "cannot
remember" that.

And from the accuracy of Neil's forgeries, I am assuming that he would
be quite an authority.

And nobody is accusing you of KNOWING it is a fake - people simply do
not believe it is genuine and there is overwhelming evidence to support
this. Your quick dismissal of the obvious evidence is kinda alarming
though.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Maxwell
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska

I am assuming that nobody seriously thinks we went to the bother of
faking a
George Tuska sketch but in the event that anyone really does doubt it,
what
I will say is that if we were really determined to do a "fake" then I
think
it would need to be something more ambitious than one solitary sketch by
an
artist who was not even one of the better remembered of the Marvel mag
era
and secondly, we'd probably have contacted the guy who did the mock-up
comic
art for the missing episodes article. Now if only I could remember who
that
was...

I hate to say it Alan, but I have had concerns from people that maybe
all these interviews are much like the missing episodes......a fantasy!

I must say that you can only blame yourselves if people make such
conclusions.

I don't ascribe to this condemnation, but I can certainly understand why
people might.

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Maxwell
Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] George Tuska

I'm surprised by the amount of attention that has been given to one
little
sketch which I admit myself is far from Tuska's finest but there is
really
nothing else I can add to this, particularly if it is going to be a
discussion about the integrity of Simian Scrolls rather than the work of
George Tuska.

Alan

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----- Original Message -----

From: LordTZer0@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska

In a message dated 4/14/2005 5:43:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

You can keep telling us it is by Tuska but I'm sorry I just can't see that myself it just doesn't look right. As for why anyone would want to fake someone else's art, I have absolutely no idea, it makes no logical sense to me either.

 

 

Certainly as an artist you can do reproductions yourself.

Any artist worth his salt aught to be able to duplicate

another artists style.  That being said I don't see why

any decent artist couldn't change his style at will.  As

for being one of his worst, all art is subjective.  Though

there are many artists and even more art "critics" who

have the gall to say who's is good and who's is bad.

Just because you don't like something, that doesn't

make it bad.  Beauty IS in the eye of the beholder.

 

"Beauty isn't something you see with your eyes.

It's something you hunger for, with your heart."

 

     ~~~Dave Vanian of The Damned~~~~

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----- Original Message -----

From: Neil T Foster

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2005 11:48 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A ... wrote:
> Perhaps he's bitter about being best know for Ape's He wouldn't be the first.

 

-- I really don't think George Tuska is best known for his 'Apes' work somehow though, except maybe in places like this of course.

 

Neil

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Dan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> That counted for lucky 7.
>
> Can we have 5 more requests please?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of HollowedOut
> Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 2:35 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Still 12 to go - start threatening to kill
those
> who remain quiet! ;)
>
> Hey Neil... you know, my B-Day is this month.. the 29th... and you
know
> since I helped hook you up a little something for your's... how's
about
> a little something for my 33rd?
>
> I'll keep it under wrapes... it'll be our little secret...
>
> comics bro... comics...
>
> -Chris
>
> Michael Whitty <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 11:00 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska? I doubt it!
>
>
> Hey, when did that voice that tells me to kill Neil and Michael for
> not posting new comics start talking to you to? I don't worship the
> Devil... but I do agree with alot of the things he tells me.
>
> --

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My previous email was not meant to be inflammatory in any way. Once again
it's another demonstration of the dangers of discussion forums like this -
what I say and how I say it are two different things but sadly email does
not convey the latter.

This topic is already threatening to rage out of control, so I'll just add
my final comments below which I hope will clarify the points I was making
earlier:

"Neil T Foster" <nfoster@...> wrote:

>
> --Firstly I haven't accused you of doing a 'fake' I just pointed out
> something that to me didn't seem right and I just wanted clarification.

I know you didn't accuse us of anything, this was meant to address Michael's
question about whether this was another joke by Scrolls.

> If you had contacted the "guy who did the mock-up comic art for the
> missing episodes article" to do a fake picture like this he would have
> said no, there is a big difference copying an artist's style for an
> article that was never meant to be represented as real.

And quite rightly too - this is sort of the point I was trying to make.

> -- Disappointing Alan. This is not and never was intended to be a
> discussion about the integrity Of Simian Scrolls and how dare you make
> such an inflammatory accusation.

See comment above - it wasn't meant to be inflammatory at all, I was just
addressing Michael's concern that we might be playing a joke on people.

> As far as it being "far from Tuska's finest" I would go further than
> that, I would say it is one of his worst!

From what little I've seen of George's artwork, I can't disagree with you.

> You can keep telling us it is by Tuska but I'm sorry I just can't see
> that myself it just doesn't look right.

Fair enough - although I did not study the picture in depth, I too noticed
that it wasn't really that similar to his original PotA style but like I
said before he's pretty old and it is about thirty years since he drew PotA.
I'm not familiar enough with his work to make much more of a judgement than
that.

> As for why anyone would want to
> fake someone else's art, I have absolutely no idea, it makes no logical
> sense to me either.

We're in agreement here also, which is why I have never stopped to question
it.

That's the last thing I've got to say about that particular picture - if
anyone doubts it then that's up to them and I'm not going to get all bent
out of shape about it. I've not had the best week so maybe wasn't in the
best frame of mind but rest assured I'm not accusing anyone of anything. In
an effort to avoid this turning into an argument and hopefully steer it back
in the direction of friendly PotA chat I'll leave with my comments about
Tuska's work on PotA.

I've always thought that he gets a raw deal as a PotA artist. I don't think
he was as talented an artist as the ones who followed, but I think he did
well enough given that he was the first to adapt the movies and was under
pressure from above because of likenesses, etc. In fact the first issue was
almost printed when Fox stepped in and demanded changes to the artwork at
the 11th hour, so he did not bad considering. The follow-up artists probably
benefited from this experience, in my opinion.

Alan

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In a message dated 4/15/2005 9:04:48 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

It would be like having Jim Carey play Basil Fawlty!  WRONG!

 

Jizzactly!

 

 

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In a message dated 4/15/2005 9:13:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

And from the accuracy of Neil's forgeries, I am assuming that he would
be quite an authority.

 

I would like to see Neil forge the same picture in a style

he feels is befitting of the artist.

 

 

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In a message dated 4/15/2005 10:19:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

  That means POTA2001 might be a masterpiece!

 

Might be, but isn't.  Could have been but wasn't.

If you're from another planet, autistic, retarded,

and an Ed Wood fan, which Burton is, it could

well be, in another dimension.  But not here &

and not now.  Unless half-assed popcorn crunch

matinee is what he was going for.  In that case

he was spot on!  A bit like Sofia Coppola was

when she decided to make Lost In Translation

like being stuck in a boring hotel for a week.

 

 

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I want to say something here.....and I certainly don't
want to offend anyone. There seems to be way too much
dissention here for my taste. Ok, some think the Tuska
drawing isn't real....fine. Let's leave it at that
before the argument and disdain for "fake scrolls"
chase the Scrolls guys off. I get so angry when small
insignificant flames create Forbidden Zone size
crevices in the groups. Let's try to keep it all
together. We're all here for APes and APes is what
brings all together. I've said it before, Can't we all
just get along.....? I despise negativity when there
is so much good coming from the DG AND the other POTA
group AND Scrolls AND Chronicles AND Sideshow AND
Rittenhouse. Let's all be thankful that there is so
much interest in POTA that it keeps us all going.
I apologize if by trying to negate the negativity that
I'm upsetting anyone else. I just think sometimes
there is too much pettiness. I am a great fan of Neil
& Micheal's talent and hard work as well as the
Scrolls guys and James and his group. I don't want to
see it break up any further. There........

Carry on (he says as if he didn't just jump up in the
middle of the room and everyone is staring at him in
shcock.

Tim

Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> I'll go a step further and say that the ape was NOT
> drawn by Tuska.
>
> I won't go so far as to point the finger of
> accusation at anyone, but I
> will say I refuse to believe the ape is a Tuska
> drawing. The gun looks
> like it is.
>
> When you read the text it says:
>
> ".an exclusive apes sketch by the man himself.".
>
> Who that man himself indeed is will remain to me
> another POTA "Nancy
> (drew)" mystery.
>
> I am sure, Alan, that you firmly believe the sketch
> to be an original.
>
> However I am firmly convinced you are wrong (at
> least where the ape head
> is concerned).
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil T Foster
> Sent: Friday, 15 April 2005 4:16 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: George Tuska
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> > Though there are many artists and even more art
> "critics" who have the
> gall to say who's is good and who's is bad. Just
> because you don't like
> something, that doesn't make it bad. Beauty IS in
> the eye of the
> beholder.
>
> -- How very true, but poor draughtsmanship will
> always be poor
> draughtsmanship.
> I still stand by my comment and no offense meant to
> the great man but in
> my opinion I still say it is one of the worst
> drawings I have seen by
> him.
>
> Neil
>
> --
>

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The stories where the humans speak (even if they are not equal to the
apes) are usually pretty lame. I prefer man reduced to an animal with
the ape culture at its peak. But, I am curious to see what you could
do with it. With what little I know of the "Going Home" story, I know
you can come up with really interesting plot ideas that still fit in
the realm of Planet of the Apes. If you do a story that takes place
after "Battle". I think the apes should come to their senses and
realize that living in harmony with the humans is a bad idea and the
humans can never truly be trusted. I think Aldo should be revered as a
Saint and a prophet of the evil's trying to raise the animal human to
ape level would bring. And the whole comic should be filled with
violent action as the most militant defenders of this new faith try to
rectify the mistakes Caesar made after the death of his son finally
softened him to the point of no return. Letting the human return to
their basic nature of "violence and death" and seperating the more
evolved apes from the humans even futher.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I have been pondering where to go after "Going Home".
>
> Chris Lawless is busily writing a story, and it is possible we'll do
> more of the TV Show.
>
> However I do believe it would be prominent to do a story after Battle
> and maybe in the time of the John Huston lawgiver.
>
> What do people think of this idea and what would you do with the
story?
>
> I have some ideas but I want to hear some others.
>
> Michael

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I have been pondering where to go after �Going Home�.

 

Chris Lawless is busily writing a story, and it is possible we�ll do more of the TV Show.

 

However I do believe it would be prominent to do a story after Battle and maybe in the time of the John Huston lawgiver.

 

What do people think of this idea and what would you do with the story?

 

I have some ideas but I want to hear some others.

 

Michael

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The stories where the humans speak (even if they are not equal to the
apes) are usually pretty lame. I prefer man reduced to an animal with
the ape culture at its peak. But, I am curious to see what you could
do with it. With what little I know of the "Going Home" story, I know
you can come up with really interesting plot ideas that still fit in
the realm of Planet of the Apes. If you do a story that takes place
after "Battle". I think the apes should come to their senses and
realize that living in harmony with the humans is a bad idea and the
humans can never truly be trusted. I think Aldo should be revered as a
Saint and a prophet of the evil's trying to raise the animal human to
ape level would bring. And the whole comic should be filled with
violent action as the most militant defenders of this new faith try to
rectify the mistakes Caesar made after the death of his son finally
softened him to the point of no return. Letting the human return to
their basic nature of "violence and death" and seperating the more
evolved apes from the humans even futher.





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I have been pondering where to go after "Going Home".
> 
> Chris Lawless is busily writing a story, and it is possible we'll do
> more of the TV Show.
> 
> However I do believe it would be prominent to do a story after Battle
> and maybe in the time of the John Huston lawgiver.
> 
> What do people think of this idea and what would you do with the
story?
> 
> I have some ideas but I want to hear some others.
> 
> Michael

I think Uncle Manny would make a great Gorilla Lawgiver. He should
renounce everything that wuss from "Battle" is spewing and create a
great seperation within the ape culture. I think there should be
Chimps, Orangs, and Gorillas on both sides. Not divided by race but
by religious convictions based on the animal man. Mankind is the apes
great abortion issue. The only good human is a dead human! Rege Uncle
Mannas! Ave Uncle Mannas!! Hail Uncle Manny!!! The true Defender of
the Faith!!! ... whoa... I started to scare myself a little bit.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I certainly think I would establish the existence of TWO Lawgivers!
>
> One is the orang we see narrating Battle.
>
> The other is a gorilla general, or maybe even a chimp to give it a
> twist. Or maybe even another orang-utan more in line with the
lawgiver
> referred to in Planet.
>
> Certainly two ape factions causing unrest and maybe some pesky
mutants
> giving the apes good reason to be cautious of humans.
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Saturday, 16 April 2005 9:13 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comics.....NEXT!
>
>
> The stories where the humans speak (even if they are not equal to
the
> apes) are usually pretty lame. I prefer man reduced to an animal
with
> the ape culture at its peak. But, I am curious to see what you
could
> do with it. With what little I know of the "Going Home" story, I
know
> you can come up with really interesting plot ideas that still fit
in
> the realm of Planet of the Apes. If you do a story that takes place
> after "Battle". I think the apes should come to their senses and
> realize that living in harmony with the humans is a bad idea and
the
> humans can never truly be trusted. I think Aldo should be revered
as a
> Saint and a prophet of the evil's trying to raise the animal human
to
> ape level would bring. And the whole comic should be filled with
> violent action as the most militant defenders of this new faith try
to
> rectify the mistakes Caesar made after the death of his son finally
> softened him to the point of no return. Letting the human return to
> their basic nature of "violence and death" and seperating the more
> evolved apes from the humans even futher.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I have been pondering where to go after "Going Home".
> >
> > Chris Lawless is busily writing a story, and it is possible we'll
do
> > more of the TV Show.
> >
> > However I do believe it would be prominent to do a story after
Battle
> > and maybe in the time of the John Huston lawgiver.
> >
> > What do people think of this idea and what would you do with the
> story?
> >
> > I have some ideas but I want to hear some others.
> >
> > Michael
>
>
>
>
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In a message dated 4/15/2005 8:15:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

 

Neil 

 

Where's your forgery Neil?

Less talk, more drawring.

 

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In a message dated 4/15/2005 8:29:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I did not bring this up to have a go at anyone I just picked up on something that sent a message to my brain saying all does not appear right here, so excuse me.

 

So, make it right.

I want to see how you think he'd draw it.

As the folks in Missouri . . . Show Me.

 

 

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Just like a comic artist to "blame the inker". The guy is just a
tracer.




-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:
> > I don't think he was as talented an artist as the ones who

followed,

> but I think he did well enough given that he was the first to adapt

the

> movies and was under pressure from above because of likenesses,

etc. In

> fact the first issue was almost printed when Fox stepped in and

demanded

> changes to the artwork at the 11th hour, so he did not bad

considering.

> The follow-up artists probably benefited from this experience, in my
> opinion.
>
>
> --Obviously you are not that familiar with George Tuska's work then
> Alan. If you were you would realise that he was every bit as

talented as

> those that came after him on 'apes', and considerably more so than
> certain latter apes artists, in fact he was one of Marvel's better

and

> more versatile artists, probably explaining why he got the POTA gig

in

> the first place.
>
> The problem that Tuska's work on the Planet adaptation suffered

from was

> an inker who in my opinion was not good enough to ink his work,

making

> it look a lot worse than it could have been, not a unique problem in
> comics unfortunately, some inkers can improve an penciler's work

whilst

> others can destroy it completely and I believe the POTA adaptation

falls

> into the latter category.
> For another example just check out how much better Mike Ploog's art
> looks (on any title he worked on) when it was inked by the man

himself.

>
> Neil

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As a comic fan I knew that one would get ya! Just stirring trouble.
That's what I do. Hehehe.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Just like a comic artist to "blame the inker". The guy is just a
> tracer.
>
> -- Here we have another popular misconception. An inker is not just a
> tracer, an inker adds his own style to some one else's pencils
sometimes
> even adding stuff themselves. Sure a few inkers may just trace over
the
> lines but most don't.
>
> Neil

I think my 5yr. old thinks he is an inker. He likes to go over other
peoples work and adds his own style and even adds stuff himself
sometimes. I think I will print out the last chapters of "Within" and
let my son "ink" them since we can't seem to get any new work out of
you, ya bastard! :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Just like a comic artist to "blame the inker". The guy is just a
> tracer.
>
> -- Here we have another popular misconception. An inker is not just a
> tracer, an inker adds his own style to some one else's pencils
sometimes
> even adding stuff themselves. Sure a few inkers may just trace over
the
> lines but most don't.
>
> Neil

Hello,

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> --Obviously you are not that familiar with George Tuska's work then
> Alan. If you were you would realise that he was every bit as

talented as

> those that came after him on 'apes', and considerably more so than
> certain latter apes artists

Fair enough, it's all about opinions I guess. I was very careful to
use the words "I don't think" at the start! I'm certainly not denying
the guy's talent as an artist, I just think that from what I saw
quite a few of the others were better than him.

> The problem that Tuska's work on the Planet adaptation suffered

from was

> an inker who in my opinion was not good enough to ink his work,

making

> it look a lot worse than it could have been, not a unique problem in
> comics unfortunately, some inkers can improve an penciler's work

whilst

> others can destroy it completely and I believe the POTA adaptation

falls

> into the latter category.

You may well be right here, Neil - as I said in a previous post I've
seen very little of his work outside of PotA, whereas I've seen a lot
by Alcala, Ploog, Sutton, etc. so I guess that perhaps influences my
thinking.

Alan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> -- Here we have another popular misconception. An inker is not just a
> tracer, an inker adds his own style to some one else's pencils

sometimes

> even adding stuff themselves.

Blame Kevin Smith's "Chasing Amy" for that one I think!

Alan

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