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In a message dated 5/5/2005 3:20:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

You sure the hell couldn't tell Roddy about your secret bootleg movie
collection without him ratting on you as soon as he got busted.



You ccould tell Roddy anything and not worry about it.

 

Loose lips suck d . . .

I mean, Loose lips sink ships!

Yeah, that's it.

 

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: taebokitti@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 10:35 AM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Fox getting into the sequel biz

Didn't Garfield do poorly at the box office? I wanted to see it when it came around my area, but it didn't stay in the theaters very long. Elaine 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Fox getting into the sequel biz

But Fox is one of the most successful studios so who are we to judge? - - - Jeff

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Melinda G Kettler
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 12:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

I haven't seen it yet, Neil.  I thought somebody nominated me a couple of days ago, but nobody sent it to me. 

 

Thanks,

Melinda

 

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   Date: Thu, 05 May 2005 13:01:12 -0000
   From: "Neil" <nfoster@...>
Subject: Re: Next Chapter of Within

Has everyone who wanted to see the latest chapter seen it yet? I heard
a rumour that some people were still waiting to see it. If so speak up
and let us know.

Neil

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'

Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2005 6:54 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] OT: Fox getting into the sequel biz

Successful in making money you mean Jeff?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 11:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] OT: Fox getting into the sequel biz

But Fox is one of the most successful studios so who are we to judge? - - - Jeff

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In a message dated 5/5/2005 8:31:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, PhoenixCa7@... writes:

I nominate LordTZero to receive it next.

 

Got it!  I nominate whoever wants it.

I must admit it does leave you wanting more.

I guess I was expecting more.  More more MORE!

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In a message dated 5/5/2005 8:49:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

"Star Wars" but they only get a fee. Lucas gets the lion's share.

You know why?  It's simple.  It's because they're idiots!

They didn't think there would be any money in it, or

they would have been all over it like flies on stink!

 

SUCKERS!

 

 

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In a message dated 5/5/2005 8:57:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Successful in making money you mean Jeff?

Only in spite of themselves.

 

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In a message dated 5/5/2005 9:01:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, mgkettler@... writes:

I haven't seen it yet, Neil.  I thought somebody nominated me a couple of days ago, but nobody sent it to me. 

I nominate Melinda!

 

 

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Lucky I'm writing...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 1:24 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

In a message dated 5/5/2005 8:30:31 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Lucky I'm writing....

Yeah, at least you know there are two seperate timelines...

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P.S. Thanks, John, for nominating me!

My pleasure. I agree with you though, we need "the rest of the
story" now!!! LOL


-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, PhoenixCa7@a... wrote:

> Michael & Neil,
>
> OMG!! Awesome! Worth the wait. Great shot of the gorillas

approaching the

> door. And the looks on those gorillas faces! Ominous! This must be

leading up to

> something that will blow our minds (or at least mine!). I would

love to see

> the next strip.......NOW!!! (Not to be too pushy... :))
>
> Again, thanks for sharing this. I look forward to future strips.

Each one

> always leaves me wanting more!
>
> I nominate LordTZero to receive it next.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Jim
>
> P.S. Thanks, John, for nominating me!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Yeah, at least you know there are two seperate timelines...

-- Ah well, looks like I won't be doing anymore of the art then as I
can't buy into the seperate timelines theory. As far as I am concerned
it is one timeline and I really couldn't carry on with the story if it
is something I don't believe in.

Neil

I just realized that you are all talking about a new strip that I
haven't seen. At least that's what I think. Please put me on
the 'nomination' list for it.

I have a request to make. When we talk about 'the next strip' can we
all please refer to it by number? Like call it "strip #10' or
whatever. While I try read all the posts in order that is not always
possible and in this case I didn't see Neil posting about the 'new'
strip until after a few people were already passing it around. Makes
it confusing to track.

I'm also curious as to whether Neil and Michael have completed the
story and general layout as a whole. Do you guys know exactly how many
more strips/pages are to come or is it still being worked on as an
ongoing development?

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2005 7:14 pm
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

>
> In a message dated 5/5/2005 8:06:04 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@... writes:
>
> Has everyone who wanted to see the latest chapter seen it yet?
>
>
> No
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Anybody want to see this?
>
> If so, speak up.
>
> Distribution will be as was the latest chapter of GOING HOME.
>
> Michael

*** I'd like to see it. Come to think of it, I'd also like to see the
GOING HOME thing you guys are doing, but I don't have the faintest idea
how to get it. Could you post some links, por favor senor?

Patrick

P.S. Thanks for the condolences, BTW. Life goes on... but not for
everybody, alas.

-You know I kind of thought that...is this "The Tim
Truman Show"??!! Am I on TV? Have I been "Punk'd"??!

Tim

-- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

ALl the

> other group members are really us - except
> you.....and a couple of random
> "real" people..... ;)
>
> Michael

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/4/2005 3:16:24 AM Central Standard Time,
> nfoster@h... writes:
>
> >
> > -- Why are we assuming 500 years? Conquest and Battle didn't

happen 500 years after the Icarus ships were launched.

>
> Because it was 500 years of ape servitude in the original

timeline... Say ape slavery started now, then 500 years will have
passed (roughly the 2,500s) before they revolted... (And in those 500
years, a lot of advancement is sure to happen...) There are two
timelines, and the three chimps escaping Earth's destruction happened
in the original timeline... CONQUEST and BATTLE are in the second
timeline and they have nothing to do with what occured in the
original, including an ape named Milo learning the secrets of space
flight...

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In a message dated 5/6/2005 8:15:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, darios@... writes:

I have a request to make. When we talk about 'the next strip' can we
all please refer to it by number? Like call it "strip #10' or
whatever.

 

How did this game of Comic Tag get started in the first place?

Aside from preventing anyone from talking about the new strip

because someone may not have read it yet, it makes the last

people feel bad because they aren't at the top of the cool guy

short list.  It just seems design to put people on the outs and

seems a generally bad idea all the way around if you ask me.

 

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Shhhhhhh!!!! You will anger the comic Gods and they will take it out
on our peaceful village and we will be reduced to having to continue
with the same lame discussions I have had to bare witness to in other
groups. Oh, comic Gods forgive this man for his insight and common
sense for he knows not what he does. Yea, he questions your wisdom
for the sake of those left without the joy of your writtings and his
compassion for other Ape worshipers is inspiring but has no place in
your presence.... Oh, did mention I also dislike the new way the
comics get distributed? That's what I ment when I said It sucks!!!
That is unless you had plans on sharing the next strip with me first.
In that case you are wise in your judgement. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/6/2005 8:15:56 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> darios@n... writes:
>
> I have a request to make. When we talk about 'the next strip' can
we
> all please refer to it by number? Like call it "strip #10' or
> whatever.
>
>
>
> How did this game of Comic Tag get started in the first place?
> Aside from preventing anyone from talking about the new strip
> because someone may not have read it yet, it makes the last
> people feel bad because they aren't at the top of the cool guy
> short list. It just seems design to put people on the outs and
> seems a generally bad idea all the way around if you ask me.

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In a message dated 5/6/2005 4:19:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Shhhhhhh!!!! You will anger the comic Gods and they will take it out
on our peaceful village and we will be reduced to having to continue
with the same lame discussions I have had to bare witness to in other
groups.

 

ROFLMAO!!!!

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In a message dated 5/6/2005 4:19:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Oh, did mention I also dislike the new way the
comics get distributed? That's what I ment when I said It sucks!!!
That is unless you had plans on sharing the next strip with me first.

 

You're killin' me!!!

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Oh Neil, I hope you change your mind!! Your art work is excellent. But
I have to stand with you on the one timeline. I agree with you that
there is one timeline.
John
In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> > Yeah, at least you know there are two seperate timelines...
>
> -- Ah well, looks like I won't be doing anymore of the art then as I
> can't buy into the seperate timelines theory. As far as I am

concerned

> it is one timeline and I really couldn't carry on with the story if

it

> is something I don't believe in.
>
> Neil

.html.html In a message dated 5/6/2005 11:49:59 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

It's one or the other. It CAN'T be both, dammit!

It's implied that they had the English language as their's for "2,000 years" which, the way Cornelius says it, is said as an approximation... It'd more likely be roughly 1,500 years if you're insisiting that the timeclocks are right... (Which I don't think they are... Their accuracy can be question... Even Burke says "It could be further, that's when it stopped working...)

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In a message dated 5/7/2005 2:05:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I started it because it is the only way we can get feedback on the comics.

 

Ohhhh...It's feedback you want!

The art work is great!  The story

could move along a bit though.

I'd like more per chapter than

just an onomatopoeia.

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I've got ya Timeline right here ya bastards! Neil, go draw from
whatever timeline you feel needed and stop arguing with the Trekkies.
I ain't got no time ta be waitin' for you ta be drawin'. Sorry,
sometimes New Orleans takes over, I've been down here way too long.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/6/2005 11:49:59 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > It's one or the other. It CAN'T be both, dammit!
>
> It's implied that they had the English language as their's
for "2,000 years"
> which, the way Cornelius says it, is said as an approximation...
It'd more
> likely be roughly 1,500 years if you're insisiting that the
timeclocks are
> right... (Which I don't think they are... Their accuracy can be
question... Even
> Burke says "It could be further, that's when it stopped working...)

>
>
> ROFLMAO!!!!

Don't speak Wookie in the Planet of the Apes group. You will upset the
Comic Gods and they will draw Star Wars pictures and tie us to trees
and make sport of us.

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In a message dated 5/7/2005 10:39:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

>
> 
> ROFLMAO!!!!


Don't speak Wookie in the Planet of the Apes group. You will upset the
Comic Gods and they will draw Star Wars pictures and tie us to trees
and make sport of us.

 

You used to be funny.  What happened?

I don't know what the word is for the

opposite of funny is  . . . but you're that!

 

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I think maybe if you compiled a list of everyone interested in
keeping up with the comic and sent it out to everyone on that list
all at once, nobody gets left behind. We could then discuss the
panels more openly without fear of spoiling it for someone who hasn't
got it yet. Just make it that you have to comment before you recieve
the next installment and to stay on the list to recieve them.






-- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I started it because it is the only way we can get feedback on the
> comics.
>
> -- I agree it's not the most perfect way to distribute them, that

would

> be us making everyone PAY to see them ;-)
>
> Seriously though another reason it was changed to this way was that

we

> found we had certain people who had been, when they were aware

another

> chapter etc. was available, joining the group and then leaving again
> after seeing what they wanted without even the decency of

commenting!

>
> We felt this wasn't fair on us or the loyal members of this group

who do

> bother to take the time to contribute to the DG.
>
> Maybe it would work better if we got the names of all the members

who

> want to see a chapter and then sent the comics out to ALL of them

at the

> same time. That way nobody has to feel that they are being

discriminated

> against and left until last to receive them?
>
> Neil

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> From: "Neil T Foster" < nfoster@...>
> Subject: Latest chapter of Within the POTA
>
> So has everyone who wanted to see this chapter now seen it? (It is
> chapter #38 by the way).

Nope, just catching up just now, can I see it too please?

Alan

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Lawless <lawford42@j...> wrote:

> I figure the "Doomsday book" is the bible that you see at the

control panel to the bomb, but I have no idea what the "crystal
control rod" is.

--Wouldn't that be one of those things that Taylor pushes down to blow
up the bomb?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> I think maybe if you compiled a list of everyone interested in

keeping up with the comic and sent it out to everyone on that list all
at once, nobody gets left behind. We could then discuss the panels
more openly without fear of spoiling it for someone who hasn't got it
yet. Just make it that you have to comment before you recieve the next
installment and to stay on the list to recieve them.

-- This approach makes a lot of sense.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> I think maybe if you compiled a list of everyone interested in
keeping up with the comic and sent it out to everyone on that list all
at once, nobody gets left behind. We could then discuss the panels
more openly without fear of spoiling it for someone who hasn't got it
yet. Just make it that you have to comment before you recieve the next
installment and to stay on the list to recieve them.

-- This approach makes a lot of sense.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Lawless
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 6:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow question

For both Sideshow mutant figures, the description includes the following: 

 

>>Accessories include the crystal control rod and Doomsday book<<

 

 

Anyone have any ideas what these are? I figure the "Doomsday book" is the bible that you see at the control panel to the bomb, but I have no idea what the "crystal control rod" is.

 

 

Chris L.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> I started it because it is the only way we can get feedback on the comics.

 

-- I agree it's not the most perfect way to distribute them, that would be us making everyone PAY to see them ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2005 9:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

Seriously though another reason it was changed to this way was that we found we had certain people who had been, when they were aware another chapter etc. was available, joining the group and then leaving again after seeing what they wanted without even the decency of commenting!

 

We felt this wasn't fair on us or the loyal members of this group who do bother to take the time to contribute to the DG.

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Hello all
I don't know if any one else received this message but I got an email
from Sideshow saying that the Taylor and Nova set would be released in
the US in the next 17 to 20 days.
Just thought I would post it here incase no one else got word on it
yet.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow Taylor and Nova

Hello all
I don't know if any one else received this message but I got an email
from Sideshow saying that the Taylor and Nova set would be released in
the US in the next 17 to 20 days.
Just thought I would post it here incase no one else got word on it
yet.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:11 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: MUTANT LEADER MENDEZ

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> >I don't know how much it will help but I have just uploaded some
> pictures of the Altar from the pile of reference stuff I have.
> 
> -- Sorry, I should have mentioned that the pic is in the files section:
>  <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Beneath%20Altar.jpg>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Beneath%20Altar.jpg

 

-- Hey John / Lonfan, were these pictures okay for you? Did they help or do you need something better?

 

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 7:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of Within

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> Ya gotta ask why someone would join, read the comic,then leave the group. Kinda weird.

 

--More like kind of typical for that small bunch of 'takers' out there.
Maybe we should just forget this group and start up a POTA group dedicated exclusively to the comics we are doing? One where the members are genuinely interested in actively contributing to the whole process, from script to finished art and all the changes / processes that go on in between?

 

Neil

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In a message dated 5/9/2005 4:57:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Yeah, I like this idea Neil.  Do you think a $50 subscription fee per year would be fair?   We could go live with the comics - show panels as they are pencilled, discuss scripts...etc.

 

Couldn't we just heap $50 bucks worth of praise on you?

I'm a little short on cash this month.

 

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Nobody's even talking about Sideshow or the new Palisades figures.....the well is dry.

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Has any one sent letters or emails to Sideshow asking if they are
going to do a line of figures based on the TV series? I was just
curious if any has and if Sideshow responded or not. I have sent a few
emails and never heard any response from them. I have also asked what
is planned next for the Planet of the Apes line and got the same
response; nothing.
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:07 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Sideshow Planet of the Apes TV figures?

Has any one sent letters or emails to Sideshow asking if they are
going to do a line of figures based on the TV series? I was just
curious if any has and if Sideshow responded or not. I have sent a few
emails and never heard any response from them. I have also asked what
is planned next for the Planet of the Apes line and got the same
response; nothing.
John

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/6/2005 11:49:59 AM Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> > It's one or the other. It CAN'T be both, dammit!
>
> It's implied that they had the English language as their's

for "2,000 years" which, the way Cornelius says it, is said as an
approximation... It'd more likely be roughly 1,500 years if you're
insisiting that the timeclocks are right... (Which I don't think they
are... Their accuracy can be question... Even Burke says "It could be
further, that's when it stopped working...)
================================================================

*** Sorry, Cougar, I can't buy that.

Cornelius wasn't just any ol' ape... he was an ARCHAEOLOGIST. An
historian who had developed a fairly accurate method for dating the
past. Zaius -- when he's trying to blow smoke up everybody's ass in
the Cave scene -- ridicules those methods, but by the end of the film
we KNOW it's on-the-money.

Cornelius dates the artifacts from a certain level as being from
about a century before the Lawgiver wrote his SACRED SCROLLS ("twelve
hundred years ago" -- that is, circa 2755-ish). Subtract a century,
and those artifacts are dated roughly to c. 2650 or so, the 27th
Century.

The artifacts from "the more ancient culture" -- the "more advanced"
one... OUR culture... he dates back another "seven hundred years,
roughly".

Subtract ~700 years from the 27th Century and what do you get???

The TWENTIETH CENTURY.

The movies PLANET & BENEATH take place in the late 40th Century -- as
Taylor says to Landon, "You're loved ones are dead and forgotten for
twenty centuries. TWENTY CENTURIES!"

The 40th Century minus 20 centuries equals the 20th Century.

When our breed made a desert of a paradise, via nuclear war.

Cornelius knows enough about the pre-history of his world to give
ACCURATE estimations of the main archaological levels at his dig-
site.

The Lawgiver wrote the SACRED SCROLLS c. 1200 BP ("Before PLANET")

The artifacts of the higher-level stratum are dated c. 1300 BP.

The level where NO traces of simian fossils are found, and where only
the bones of HUMANS are -- accompanied by artifacts from a more-
advanced culture than the Apes' culture -- is dated c. 2000 BP (i.e.
1300 years + 700 years, roughly).

Cornelius, as a scientist, would've known that there's a MAJOR
difference between a date 1,500 years BP and one 2,000 years BP.
In "PLANET" it's established that he KNOWS the more advanced Human
culture (with Eyeglasses, False Teeth, and Prefabricated Artificial
Heart Valves, etc) dates back to the very time the spaceship's EARTH-
TIME clock clicked back to. Milo reminds them, before he recommends
that they maintain their silence around humans, of the phenomenon of
that backwards-clicking clock. Milo even mentions the "2000 years"
duration. And this is PRIOR to Cornelius telling the Presidential
Commission that his people (Apes) speak/spoke/will-speak a language
they've spoken "for TWO THOUSAND YEARS, roughly".

You can question the accuracy of the clocks... but you cite the clock
from Virdon & Burke's ship, as if its EARTH-TIME reading has any
bearing on the readings seen by the Ape-onauts in the ship they flew
into orbit.

The Ape-onauts saw the year-date "3955" before the Doomsday Bomb's
detonation created a time-warp.

AFTER the time-warp, the clock ACCURATELY read "1973". If THAT clock
was broken, there's no chance in hell it could wondrously manage to
wind up on the CORRECT Earth-Time date. And there is NO indication
given by the President that the clock was faulty in any way, when he
referenced the NASA report in his conversation with Hasslein. And
Hasslein -- Mr. Scientist... the President's SCIENCE ADVISOR -- goes
on to state that they have proof that Apes will not only subjugate
Mankind but will then blow up the Earth in "Thirty-Nine Fifty
Something"...

When Cornelius gives approximation-dates in "PLANET", it's in
the "hundreds" of years -- "thirteen hundred years"... "seven hundred
years, roughly" etc etc. If he truly believed, in his testimony to
the Presidential Commission, that the Apes only started speaking
English 1,500 years prior to his era, he'd have SAID "fifteen hundred
years" and probably added the "roughly" to boot! We have his
precedent for historical chronologizing.

The fact that he later dates "Aldo" (from the SECRET SCROLLS) to a
time c. 500 years after Apes were first taken as pets following a
Plague is rendered MOOT when we got TWO apes named Aldo who SOMEHOW
learn to speak IN THE TWENTIETH CENTURY (well, at least the gorilla
Aldo could speak, with Claude Akins' voice).

Hasslein was worried that the Ape-onauts and/or their progeny would
INTERBREED with 'dumb'-nonspeaking apes and thus produce some sort of
hybrid race of EVOLVED apes who CAN speak. Did Hasslein think that
Zira and Cornelius would mate with GORILLAS and ORANGUTANS as well as
with non-evolved chimpanzees? How ELSE could those other two species
of apes become "evolved" like the talking chimpanzee Ape-onauts?

Neither Mandemus nor Virgil nor Lisa nor Aldo nor ANY of the talking
apes -- save young Cornelius -- owes his/her ability to talk to an
infusion of Ape-onaut DNA. How they acquired the power of speech is
NEVER explicitly shown in the POTA saga. But they didn't acquire this
ability 500 years after the Pet Plague, c. 2483-and-following... they
ALREADY COULD SPEAK ENGLISH! Mandemus himself is portrayed as being
OLDER than Caesar -- yet he had the physiological ability to speak
YEARS before the Ape-onauts showed up in 1973. He didn't acquire it
in any fancy "APE MANAGEMENT" Breeding Annex, did he? No "selective
breeding" program supervised by Mankind during the Ape Slavery years
produced him.

So, where'd he come from? How'd he become able to speak?

Well, I have my scenario, which ain't 'canon' except for me.

But the existence of Mandemus alone refutes that INTENTIONALLY false
chronology that Cornelius and Zira feed Hasslein & his goons during
their interrogation.

The earlier testimony's the true one... the EARTH-TIME clocks DO
work... and there is only ONE timeline.

In my opinion... but I'm right!

Patrick

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.html.html In a message dated 5/10/05 2:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

The earlier testimony's the true one... the EARTH-TIME clocks DO
work... and there is only ONE timeline.

In my opinion... but I'm right!

Patrick

There's two timelines and the year Taylor landed on the POTA was 3978.  They made an error in BENEATH with the earth date of 3955 and there was nothing the filmmakers could do to correct it.  The year 3955 survived into the further sequels because they were Dehn's work, but Dehn messed up -- AND THAT'S A FACT, JACK!.

As far as I'm concerned PLANET had one sequel, BENEATH, and BENEATH had three sequels, ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE, and the entire film series spawned two TV shows, comics, novelizations, and a lousy remake.

I don't try to conceptualize it as one long saga.  I'm just not interested in going there, there are too many inconsistencies.  I choose to simply ignore them and take each film, show or whatever on its own terms.

And that's that, Pat!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html I wote to Sideshow stating that Caesar looked a little too much like his father and never heard from them. Elaine<.html

.html.html In a message dated 5/10/05 2:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

But the existence of Mandemus alone refutes that INTENTIONALLY false
chronology that Cornelius and Zira feed Hasslein & his goons during
their interrogation.

The inconsistencies that arise with the existence of Mandemus in BATTLE only shows how sloppy Dehn and the other screenwriters were, nothing more and nothing less.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 5/10/05 7:23:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Cougar is right. If the palisade figures are a mystery, how can we discuss them?

Beware the Palisade POTA figures, for they are the Devil's pawn.<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:27 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Next Chapter of the DG

In a message dated 5/10/05 7:23:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Cougar is right. If the palisade figures are a mystery, how can we discuss them?

Beware the Palisade POTA figures, for they are the Devil's pawn.

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Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with Cornelius?
I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture is
really fuzzy.
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Serta Commercial

Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with Cornelius?
I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture is
really fuzzy.
John

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!

In a message dated 5/10/05 2:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

The earlier testimony's the true one... the EARTH-TIME clocks DO
work... and there is only ONE timeline.

In my opinion... but I'm right!

Patrick

There's two timelines and the year Taylor landed on the POTA was 3978.  They made an error in BENEATH with the earth date of 3955 and there was nothing the filmmakers could do to correct it.  The year 3955 survived into the further sequels because they were Dehn's work, but Dehn messed up -- AND THAT'S A FACT, JACK!.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 9:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!

In a message dated 5/10/05 2:03:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

But the existence of Mandemus alone refutes that INTENTIONALLY false
chronology that Cornelius and Zira feed Hasslein & his goons during
their interrogation.

The inconsistencies that arise with the existence of Mandemus in BATTLE only shows how sloppy Dehn and the other screenwriters were, nothing more and nothing less.

-- Rory

.html.html In a message dated 5/10/2005 8:48:39 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

OK Rory....I agree with you.......but is it indeed a DOCUMENTED fact or an assumed one?

It's documented to anyone with the sense to know what's what... I said it before, Rory just posted on it again, and the fact is Dehn f***** up big time. He should have been made to watch PLANET and take notes on it all before writing anything... The sequels might have ended up better had he actually paid attention to PLANET...<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 5/10/2005 1:03:19 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

The earlier testimony's the true one... the EARTH-TIME clocks DO
work... and there is only ONE timeline.

In my opinion... but I'm right!

You're right in believing your own Mothership theory where astronauts land on a planet ruled by apes that were genetically engineered by space aliens "2,000+" years earlier.... These apes were able to gain enough intelligence to conquer an entire planet after being in servitude for only 8 years all because of being implanted with intelligence from the Roswell Incident. Not to mention you're right about the continent of Australia being the home of the city of New York seen in the first episode of the TV series... Thankfully you're here to tell everyone that unless it's quoted in your opus, there's no way in hell it could be...

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You know, I don't know if they did the make up or not. I would bet
they did because the makeup and costume look almost like the real
thing from the movies. Do you have a copy of the commercial at all?
If not let me know and I will send you a copy of mine.
John



In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> I sure don't.
>
> Did Apemania do the makeup?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of

> luke_the_drifter52
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Serta Commercial
>
>
> Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with

Cornelius?

> I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture

is

> really fuzzy.
> John
>
>

I did too. I also sent them a picture of Caesar and told them to look
real close and see how the make up was different. And like you Elaine,
I never got a response. I enjoy the Sideshow figures but I think
Sideshow needs to work on their customer service skills!!! They are
bad about not replying to any thing.


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> I wote to Sideshow stating that Caesar looked a little too much like

his

> father and never heard from them. Elaine

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Serta Commercial

You know, I don't know if they did the make up or not. I would bet
they did because the makeup and costume look almost like the real
thing from the movies. Do you have a copy of the commercial at all?
If not let me know and I will send you a copy of mine.
John



In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> I sure don't.
> 
> Did Apemania do the makeup?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> luke_the_drifter52
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Serta Commercial
>
>
> Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with
Cornelius?
> I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture
is
> really fuzzy.
> John
>
>

--

<.html

I'd love a copy John.

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 1:52 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Serta Commercial

You know, I don't know if they did the make up or not. I would bet
they did because the makeup and costume look almost like the real
thing from the movies. Do you have a copy of the commercial at all?
If not let me know and I will send you a copy of mine.
John



In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> I sure don't.
> 
> Did Apemania do the makeup?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> luke_the_drifter52
> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Serta Commercial
>
>
> Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with
Cornelius?
> I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture
is
> really fuzzy.
> John
>
>

--

<.html

No, Apemania didn't do the makeup. I met the guy who played Cornelius in
that. He was just walking down the street and Luiz Adami was in Bill Blake's
Cornelius makeup and he started a conversation. They wanted Bill to do the
makeup but he'd only do it if he played Cornelius and they wanted to use
their actor. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:51 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Serta Commercial


> You know, I don't know if they did the make up or not. I would bet
> they did because the makeup and costume look almost like the real
> thing from the movies. Do you have a copy of the commercial at all?
> If not let me know and I will send you a copy of mine.
> John
>
>
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > I sure don't.
> >
> > Did Apemania do the makeup?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > luke_the_drifter52
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> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Serta Commercial
> >
> >
> > Does any one have a good copy of the Serta Commercial with
> Cornelius?
> > I have a copy I got off the web about a year ago but the picture
> is
> > really fuzzy.
> > John
> >
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> The pulse-pounding, soul-shattering conclusion to the Apeslayer!

saga is now available for download on Hunter's site.

>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Sadly for article fans there is only a letter column this week.
>
> Next week: Kingdom on an Island of the Apes.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg

-- Thanks Greg, even though this is one of the 2 issues I do still
actually have after all these years I am still going to download it!

Neil

.html Just as I suspected. I'm only up to #37. See I told you numbering the chapters  when announcing new releases would come in handy. (Thanks Neil)
Now just one thing....
WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SEND IT TO ME! (That oughta get some attention).

Now, onto other things. I happened to watch the first few minutes of the old movie "Taxi" (DeNiro, Jody Foster, etc) and noticed that in one of the first scenes where DeNiro is applying for the Taxi cab driver job, he's wearing a jacket and it appears to have an ape patch on the arm. Can anyone confirm that? It's definitely appears to be an ape head, but I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a POTA ape. I believe this would be an uncatalogued POTA reference as I've never heard someone mention it before.

Dario


Neil T Foster wrote:

So has everyone who wanted to see this chapter now seen it? (It is chapter #38 by the way).

 

Neil

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Dario <darios@n...> wrote:

> Just as I suspected. I'm only up to #37. See I told you numbering

the chapters when announcing new releases would come in handy.
(Thanks Neil) Now just one thing.... WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SEND IT TO
ME! (That oughta get some attention).

-- Hey Dario it is on its way to you right now.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Taxi patch?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@n...> wrote:
> Just as I suspected. I'm only up to #37. See I told you numbering
the chapters  when announcing new releases would come in handy.
(Thanks Neil) Now just one thing.... WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SEND IT TO
ME! (That oughta get some attention).

-- Hey Dario it is on its way to you right now.

Neil

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

> No, Apemania didn't do the makeup.

-- So does anyone have any idea who did? Also does anyone know who did
the ape makeups in Spaceballs?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> D'oh! I just sent him one too!

-- Not again! Same thing happened with Alan!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:26 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Taxi patch?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> D'oh! I just sent him one too!

-- Not again! Same thing happened with Alan!

Neil

<.html

Thanks Neil. I'm not going to comment on it right away. The story is
starting to get convoluted since it's been a while since the beginning
and I want to restart from the begining.

Dario

Neil wrote:

>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@n...> wrote:
>
>
>>Just as I suspected. I'm only up to #37. See I told you numbering
>>
>>
>the chapters when announcing new releases would come in handy.
>(Thanks Neil) Now just one thing.... WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SEND IT TO
>ME! (That oughta get some attention).
>
>-- Hey Dario it is on its way to you right now.
>
>Neil
>
>
>

.html

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dario
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:24 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Taxi patch?

Thanks Neil.  I'm not going to comment on it right away. The story is
starting to get convoluted since it's been a while since the beginning
and I want to restart from the begining.

Dario

Neil wrote:

>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Dario <darios@n...> wrote:
> 
>
>>Just as I suspected. I'm only up to #37. See I told you numbering
>>   
>>
>the chapters  when announcing new releases would come in handy.
>(Thanks Neil) Now just one thing.... WILL SOMEONE PLEASE SEND IT TO
>ME! (That oughta get some attention).
>
>-- Hey Dario it is on its way to you right now.
>
>Neil
>
> 
>

<.html

.html S'OK. Better too many copies than not enough.
Thanks to both.

Dario

Neil wrote:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" 
<Michael.Whitty@d...> 
wrote:
  

D'oh! I just sent him one too!
    

-- Not again! Same thing happened with Alan!

Neil
  

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> How long should we dangle the next chapter of Going Home over

everybody's heads?

-- Well maybe we should space it out a bit as I have a few paying jobs
(and real life stuff) that I really need to give priority to so I
won't be able to get onto the following chapter / pages for quite some
time.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>Where are we at with archiving previous parts? Are they all up there?

--The Within folder in the files section has all the chapters up to
and including #37.

Neil

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Anyone here unable to get to the files sectioin?

 

Michael

 

 

 -----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:47 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Taxi patch?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>Where are we at with archiving previous parts?  Are they all up there?

--The Within folder in the files section has all the chapters up to
and including #37.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA Taxi patch?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> How long should we dangle the next chapter of Going Home over
everybody's heads?

-- Well maybe we should space it out a bit as I have a few paying jobs
(and real life stuff) that I really need to give priority to so I
won't be able to get onto the following chapter / pages for quite some
time.

Neil

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>OK - some time back we designed a project to get some income in for

the comics projects.
I bought 6 Argentinian comics that were translated into English -
these are the rarely seen and are original stories based on the TV
Show characters.
All 6 are now available to DG members.
They are $5 each plus postge. This is not much more than they cost to
print.
Same with Beware the Beast - if you missed that you can get Pt 1 and
Pt 2 for $5 each plus postage.
Neil, do you have a few of the prints left?

-- What prints?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>Same with Beware the Beast - if you missed that you can get Pt 1 and

Pt 2 for $5 each plus postage.

-- You forgot to mention that these printed versions of BTB contain
new EXTRA UNSEEN pages that are not available with any of the online
versions!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comics.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>OK - some time back we designed a project to get some income in for
the comics projects.
I bought 6 Argentinian comics that were translated into English -
these are the rarely seen and are original stories based on the TV
Show characters.
All 6 are now available to DG members.
They are $5 each plus postge.  This is not much more than they cost to
print.
Same with Beware the Beast - if you missed that you can get Pt 1 and
Pt 2 for $5 each plus postage.
Neil, do you have a few of the prints left?

-- What prints?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:06 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comics.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>Same with Beware the Beast - if you missed that you can get Pt 1 and
Pt 2 for $5 each plus postage.

-- You forgot to mention that these printed versions of BTB contain
new EXTRA UNSEEN pages that are not available with any of the online
versions!

Neil

<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> The BEWARE THE BEAST prints.

-- Oh right, those! Yes there are still a few available. Don't forget
they will be signed and numbered by the artist of course!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 12:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Comics.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> The BEWARE THE BEAST prints.

-- Oh right, those! Yes there are still a few available. Don't forget
they will be signed and numbered by the artist of course!

Neil

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