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Wow!  I never got used to his Fred Flintstone

because it didn't sound like Alan Reed, but

you know, it really does sounds like

Jackie Gleeson!  I never could tell the

two Betty's apart though.

 

 

 

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From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:48 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] What do fans (the whole 20 that are left) want?

Good question Neil.

 

I personally think the TV show does not stand the test of time and it is probably a good thing it stopped (just) before making a complete mockery of the franchise.

 

I do like some of Dave Ballard’s stories and others that are like another episode, but I wouldn’t waste my time on filming these or glorifying them in comic books because they just appeal to probably 20 people (and you can find them all on the Friends and Fugitives group, drooling over Pete’s bare chest).

 

The only hope POTA might have is taking the spirit of the franchise and transposing that into something today’s kids will like.

 

As someone said to me yesterday, George Lucas may have irritated the die hard fans with Episode 1 and Episode 2, but he also gave birth to an entire new generation of Star Wars fans, and got them to pay money to see it (and buy the toys!).

 

The future of POTA is to bury the past.

 

The fugitives need to be superseded by something more “X-Files”, that is well written and depends very little on SFX – just a good story that is made more enjoyable by whatever FX are used.

 

Michael

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2005 11:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!

On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based on
the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
shift in the way those stories are told?

Neil

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In a message dated 5/21/2005 12:54:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Pander to kids and it's the death knell. It's got to be adult-friendly as well. That's something Lucas is learning almost too late.

 

POTA & Star Wars, well the first 2 anyway, are excellent examples.  You don't have to have an Alien gore feast to deal with Sci-fi in an adult fashion.  There's no need to Flash Gordon it up for the kiddies.  The Day the Earth Stood Still, one of my favorite early Sci-fi flicks, is another good example, as is Forbidden Plane.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 5/21/05 9:13:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Regarding the TV show I would have had the fugitives stop being on the run at some point. Being on the run constantly doesn't allow for other parts of the ape world to be explored(culture, politics, the arts etc.) Elaine

A series of multi-episode story arcs would have been preferable, and I'd have gotten them into the desert at some point.  Every episode looked the same. 

The show's BIG problem....

it was dull.

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.html.html In a message dated 5/21/05 8:13:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, urko3085@... writes:

As with the previous two sets for Beneath and Escape, there are low-res files that you can view and there are hi-res files that you can download and print using a photo-quality printer to make your own card set the next time Craft Day rolls around.

http://www.goatley.com/pota/

Thanks,
Greg

I'm not that crazy about this set.  I don't understand the selection of photos.  You don't use any of the wider shots that take in the entire plaza, city and ape management.  Too many close and medium shots -- and dark ones at that.

REDO!

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.html.html In a message dated 5/21/2005 8:13:26 AM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Regarding the TV show I would have had the fugitives stop being on the run at some point. Being on the run constantly doesn't allow for other parts of the ape world to be explored(culture, politics, the arts etc.)

That's not entirely true... After all, in Serling's synopsis for the show, he had planned for them to run across various cultures in their journies... The things you mentioned could have easily been explored in the TV series, had it chose to focus more on apes rather than astronauts... The TV series should have been more like the first movie in the sense that it should have been focused on the ape's world and the astronauts predicament at having to survive in the simian culture... Being on the run had nothing to do with the lack of the ape's society being shown, it's due to the fact that it wanted to focus on the 2 humans... If Burke and Virdon had chosen to "stop running", then what would have came of it? It still wouldn't have shown any more of the ape's society... It would have focused on their living in some human ghetto and it would have still focused on them, just settled into the human culture of the planet...

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> On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based

on

> the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
> formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
> shift in the way those stories are told?
>

You will need a radicl shift in the story if you don't want to suffer
the same fate as the TV series. New fans today, even the younger ones,
will not follow stories that generic. Its a whole new world now, even
in the relm of SciFi.

He had a voice that I will always associate with my childhood. He
will be missed. My son is hooked on the Return to the Planet of the
Apes and Challenge of the Superfriends DVD's and he loves to catch
Thundar the Barbarrian and the Bananna Splits on Boomerang. Henry
Corden will continue to gain fans for years to come. I thank him for
the memories for my son and myself.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7925365
>
> Henry Corden, the voice of cartoon caveman Fred
> Flintstone's "Yabba-dabba-doo!" for more than two
> decades, has died. He was 85.
>
> Corden died of emphysema Thursday night at AMI Encino
> Hospital, his longtime agent Don Pitts said Friday.
> Corden's wife of nine years, Angelina, was with him at
> the time.
>
> He took over as the lovable loudmouth Fred Flintstone
> when original voice Alan Reed died in 1977. Reed had
> been doing Flintstone since the character debuted in
> 1960.
>
> Born in Montreal, Corden moved to New York as a child
> and arrived in Hollywood in the 1940s. His first
> acting role was in the 1947 film "The Secret Life of
> Walter Mitty." Known for playing villains, he found
> small parts in movies, including 1952's "The Black
> Castle" and "The Ten Commandments" in 1956.
>
> "As Henry said, he always played the cold-blooded
> creeps," Pitts said.
>
> Corden moved into voice acting in the 1960s, and
> deployed his dialect skills in bit parts for
> Hanna-Barbera, including "Jonny Quest," "Josey and the
> Pussycats" and "The New Tom & Jerry Show."
>
> Since "The Flintstones" echoed "The Honeymooners,"
> Corden tweaked his role to approximate Jackie
> Gleason's Ralph Kramden character, Pitts said.
>
> Corden, who lived in Encino, had been working until
> his health suffered about three months ago. He can
> most recently be heard on ubiquitous cereal
> commercials yelling "Barney, my Pebbles!"
>
> Besides his wife, Corden is survived by five children
> and five grandchildren. A private memorial "party" is
> planned, Pitts said.
>
> Dierna note:
> Besides Fred Flinstone he also did voices in other
> shows here is a list:
>
> Challenge of the Go-Bots
> The Jetsons
> Mister T
> Goldie Gold and Action Jack
> The Kwicky Koala show
> Smurfs
> Fangface and Fangpuss
> Heathcliff (He was Clem)
> Thundarr The Barbarian (He was Ookla the Mok)
> Challenge of the Superfriends
> Dynomutt Dog Wonder (He was Willie the Weasel,Mr.
> Hyde, and The Prophet)
> The CB Bears (He was Bump)
> Return to the Planet of the Apes (He was General Urko)
> He was Paw Rugg in "Yogi's Gang", "Yogi's Ark Lark", #
> "The Banana Splits Adventure Hour", "The Atom
> Ant/Secret Squirrel Show", and "The Atom Ant Show"
> The Barkley's (He was Arnie Barkley)
>
> And that's just some of his stuff...for a full list go
> here:
> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0179478/
>
>
>
> __________________________________

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> but I wouldn't waste my time on filming these or glorifying them in

comic books because they just appeal to probably 20 people (and you
can find them all on the Friends and Fugitives group, drooling over
Pete's bare chest).

-- Actually I don't think there are even that many people really over
there, infact I don't think there are that many 'real' people on ANY
of the Apes groups anymore!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> The third in a series of Topps-style card sets for the sequel films

is now on Hunter's site. This set celebrates Conquest of the Planet of
the Apes.

-- Yet again Greg has done a fantastic job on these cards and it is
just amazing the amount of work he does for us lucky Apes fans. I am
also very privileged to have been allowed to provide my own small
contribution to these wonderful cards.

I hope every one is also as blown away with these as I am and that we
all let Greg know just how much we all appreciate his dedication to
the cause!

Take a bow mate!

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 5/22/2005 12:21:00 AM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I hope every one is also as blown away with these as I am and that we
all let Greg know just how much we all appreciate his dedication to
the cause!

Agreed, good job!

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In a message dated 5/21/2005 3:33:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

he loves to catch
Thundar the Barbarrian and the Bananna Splits on Boomerang.

 

That's weird.

My nephew never like the Banana Splits.

For me though it's like a time machine.

But I watch the old Star Trek as well.

I love those cheesy old sets and gear.

And as far as The Avengers goes,

Uma Thurman couldn't full out

Diana Riggs catsuit!

 

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.html.html In a message dated 5/21/05 10:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, urko3085@... writes:

I purposely stayed away from using a lot of shots from the riot scenes. I went with the assumption that Topps would have de-emphasized that part of the story because they were making a product for children.

Children....

I haven't been one of those for years!

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.html.html In a message dated 5/22/05 7:11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

That's weird.
My nephew never liked the Banana Splits.
For me though it's like a time machine.
But I watch the old Star Trek as well.
I love those cheesy old sets and gear.
And as far as The Avengers goes,
Uma Thurman couldn't full out
Diana Riggs catsuit!

Back in the late sixties I had a Banana Splits album.  Can't say I remember being really crazy about that show, but I used to watch it so I musy have liked it.

I love the look of nearly everything from the sixties.  A really great time for design.

I like "The Avengers" and lately I've been renting the DVDs of that and "Danger Man," know in this country as "Secret Agent Man."

I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." on DVD -- and "Lancelot Link."

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Yeah – I seem to recall liking the Banana Splits, but it could just be like the Brady Bunch – there was never anything better on TV (we only had 2 channels!).

Michael



"The Brady Bunch" SUCKED!

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I have never found anyone else who even knew what Lancelot Link
Secret Chimp was. I loved that show! I had coloring books and a badge
that showed I was a member of C.H.U.M.P. the organization of chimp
villans out for world domination.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/22/05 7:11:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LordTZer0@A... writes:
>
>
> > That's weird.
> > My nephew never liked the Banana Splits.
> > For me though it's like a time machine.
> > But I watch the old Star Trek as well.
> > I love those cheesy old sets and gear.
> > And as far as The Avengers goes,
> > Uma Thurman couldn't full out
> > Diana Riggs catsuit!
> >
>
> Back in the late sixties I had a Banana Splits album. Can't say I
remember
> being really crazy about that show, but I used to watch it so I
musy have liked
> it.
>
> I love the look of nearly everything from the sixties. A really
great time
> for design.
>
> I like "The Avengers" and lately I've been renting the DVDs of that
and
> "Danger Man," know in this country as "Secret Agent Man."
>
> I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E."
on DVD --
> and "Lancelot Link."
>
> -- Rory

Conquest is my favorite sequal, so I was excited to finally see these
cards. Great job. I agree that I would have liked to see more riot or
scenes that were cut because of their violent content, but I
completely understand why shots like that were not used. Thanks again
to all involved.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> > The third in a series of Topps-style card sets for the sequel
films
> is now on Hunter's site. This set celebrates Conquest of the Planet
of
> the Apes.
>
> -- Yet again Greg has done a fantastic job on these cards and it is
> just amazing the amount of work he does for us lucky Apes fans. I
am
> also very privileged to have been allowed to provide my own small
> contribution to these wonderful cards.
>
> I hope every one is also as blown away with these as I am and that
we
> all let Greg know just how much we all appreciate his dedication to
> the cause!
>
> Take a bow mate!
>
> Neil

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I have never found anyone else who even knew what Lancelot Link
Secret Chimp was. I loved that show! I had coloring books and a badge
that showed I was a member of C.H.U.M.P. the organization of chimp
villans out for world domination.

Many here remember it and long for the day when it comes to DVD!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>Yeah - talking monkeys are cool.

-- Yeah they are aren't they? I was a major 'Splits' fan, they had a
talking monkey too remember! And any of us lucky enough to be brought
up in England will remember the wonderful PG Tips (tea bags) TV
adverts with their cast of wise cracking, talking chimps!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> I have never found anyone else who even knew what Lancelot Link

Secret Chimp was.

-- I think you'll find that a lot of us here remember Lancelot Link
(talking monkeys an all that). I used to love the band that were in
it, I think they were called The Evolution Revolution weren't they?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." on

DVD -- and "Lancelot Link."

-- I think you'll find that LL is already available on DVD, with at
least 5 volumes so far.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> and I cannot wait for Battle (and hopefully RETURN too!).

-- Return cards? Now there's an idea...

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> I noticed you uploaded strips 37 and 38 into the files a few days

ago for all the lurkers. How about something for us loyal fans?

-- yeah I did that as I figured that all who really are here and do
care have already seen them and just wanted to keep the 'back catalog'
up to date!

As for when the next strip is available? Well, I'll leave it to
the 'Boss' to answer that one! ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Within - when do we get strip 39?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> I noticed you uploaded strips 37 and 38 into the files a few days
ago for all the lurkers. How about something for us loyal fans?

-- yeah I did that as I figured that all who really are here and do
care have already seen them and just wanted to keep the 'back catalog'
up to date!

As for when the next strip is available? Well, I'll leave it to
the 'Boss' to answer that one! ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:57 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: In Memorium: Henry Corden

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." on
DVD --  and "Lancelot Link."

-- I think you'll find that LL is already available on DVD, with at
least 5 volumes so far.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Topps-style Conquest card set now available

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> and I cannot wait for Battle (and hopefully RETURN too!).

-- Return cards? Now there's an idea...

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> WHERE?

-- Try doing a search on Amazon.com

Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 8:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: In Memorium: Henry Corden

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> WHERE?

-- Try doing a search on Amazon.com

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:18 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: In Memorium: Henry Corden

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>Yeah - talking monkeys are cool.

-- Yeah they are aren't they? I was a major 'Splits' fan, they had a
talking monkey too remember! And any of us lucky enough to be brought
up in England will remember the wonderful PG Tips (tea bags) TV
adverts with their cast of wise cracking, talking chimps!

Neil

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YES! When I was a kid I thought Wang Fu was the coolest. I know they
probably dressed up the same 4 or 5 chimps for each show but I
thought there was a great array of characters back then. I wonder who
owns the rights to those, Nickelodeon showed them years ago when they
were reruning the old Monkees and all. I think it would sell well if
Rhino bought them and put them out like they do everything else. When
MTV dressed up chimps to re-enact movies for their awards show
everyone loved it.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > I have never found anyone else who even knew what Lancelot Link
> Secret Chimp was.
>
> -- I think you'll find that a lot of us here remember Lancelot Link
> (talking monkeys an all that). I used to love the band that were in
> it, I think they were called The Evolution Revolution weren't they?
>
> Neil

Not here in the states, I believe. I tried to order them when I
managed a video store and as recently as 2 months ago I tried to get
my Brother-in-law to find them when he was working for Suncoast Movie
Store. Never could get them.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E."
on
> DVD -- and "Lancelot Link."
>
> -- I think you'll find that LL is already available on DVD, with at
> least 5 volumes so far.
>
> Neil

These are bootlegs.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
>
> > wrote:
> > > WHERE?
> >
> > -- Try doing a search on Amazon.com
> >
> > Neil
>
>
> -- There's a few up for auction on eBay at the moment too:
> http://search.ebay.com.au/lancelot-
link_W0QQfromZR40QQfsooZ1QQfsopZ1QQsa
> atcZ15QQsbrexpZWD2SQQsojsZ1QQssPageNameZWD2S
>
> Neil

.html.html In a message dated 5/22/05 5:58:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> I wish they'd get around to putting out "The Man from U.N.C.L.E." on
DVD --  and "Lancelot Link."

-- I think you'll find that LL is already available on DVD, with at
least 5 volumes so far.

Neil

Amazon lists them as "currently unavailable."  I don't know when they were released or who released them, but I suspect the quality is pretty bad.

-- Rory<.html <.html

Well, I suppose we could start distributing Within again.

 

Let's start with T this time and Greg P, then once they have commented they can nominate the next recipient or tell me to choose.

.html.html In a message dated 5/22/05 6:37:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Somebody order a set for Rory - or should we make it a competition?  :)

Michael


If I had 'em I'd be selling copies!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Hey, I'm totally out of my depth here!

But you and Greg....well, I'm sure you guys would be MORE than capable!

 

There are also plenty of interesting rare sketches around, and of course Neil's landscapes would make a cool reverse side puzzle!

Michael

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Within - when do we get strip 39?

With al the excitement over the museum I'd forgotten where we left poor Milo, facing the business end of Ursus' pistol.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:39 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Within - when do we get strip 39?

With al the excitement over the museum I'd forgotten where we left poor Milo, facing the business end of Ursus' pistol.

 

Love the close-up on the gun in the second panel. I don't want to spoil anything, but it does look like there's more going on here with Ursus based on this panel. Perhaps his actions earlier in the story are catching up with him?

 

Nicely done. Keep 'em coming.

 

I say send the strip to John next.

 

Greg

 

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Well, I suppose we could start distributing Within again.

 

Let's start with T this time and Greg P, then once they have commented they can nominate the next recipient or tell me to choose.

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In a message dated 5/22/2005 10:04:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I have never found anyone else who even knew what Lancelot Link
Secret Chimp was. I loved that show!

 

I loved that show too.

But I can't quite remember the lyrics to the opening theme.

Every time I try it morphs into that damnedable Ninja Turtles

song!

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:43 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Lance on DVD

In a message dated 5/22/05 6:37:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Somebody order a set for Rory - or should we make it a competition?  :)

Michael

If I had 'em I'd be selling copies!

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 5/22/05 6:50:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

YES! When I was a kid I thought Wang Fu was the coolest. I know they
probably dressed up the same 4 or 5 chimps for each show but I
thought there was a great array of characters back then. I wonder who
owns the rights to those, Nickelodeon showed them years ago when they
were reruning the old Monkees and all. I think it would sell well if
Rhino bought them and put them out like they do everything else. When
MTV dressed up chimps to re-enact movies for their awards show
everyone loved it.

I think a reason why they haven't been released so far is that they're now kind of "politically incorrect," you know... making chimps perform and all that.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:45 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Topps-style Conquest card set now available

I do have some design ideas for a Return set. But there's something else Neil and I have planned for after the Battle set that we'll have to finish first.

 

Greg

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Hey, I'm totally out of my depth here!

But you and Greg....well, I'm sure you guys would be MORE than capable!

 

There are also plenty of interesting rare sketches around, and of course Neil's landscapes would make a cool reverse side puzzle!

Michael

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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Lance on DVD

In a message dated 5/22/05 6:50:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

YES! When I was a kid I thought Wang Fu was the coolest. I know they
probably dressed up the same 4 or 5 chimps for each show but I
thought there was a great array of characters back then. I wonder who
owns the rights to those, Nickelodeon showed them years ago when they
were reruning the old Monkees and all. I think it would sell well if
Rhino bought them and put them out like they do everything else. When
MTV dressed up chimps to re-enact movies for their awards show
everyone loved it.

I think a reason why they haven't been released so far is that they're now kind of "politically incorrect," you know... making chimps perform and all that.

-- Rory

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Not here in the states, I believe. I tried to order them when I
managed a video store and as recently as 2 months ago I tried to get
my Brother-in-law to find them when he was working for Suncoast Movie
Store. Never could get them.

A place in Philadelphia called "Movies Unlimited" claims to have them:

http://www.moviesunlimited.com/musite/product.asp?sku=D44846&mscssid=TMFJ5VQ018WA8LETV57S5BRQRCHXC6N8

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I've just scanned and uploaded today's ROSE IS ROSE strip from the Sunday colour funnies in the group's FILES section.

Obviously ESCAPE FROM THE POTA inspired, especially the appraiser's statement "Not the best selling comic book, but a loyal and devoted fan base!"

 

This is the closest to anything POTA related I've seen in the daily strips since 2001.

 

Enjoy.

 

Dan

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Who says it is Milo?

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:39 AM
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With al the excitement over the museum I'd forgotten where we left poor Milo, facing the business end of Ursus' pistol.

Oooohhhhh.....can you share?

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 10:45 AM
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I do have some design ideas for a Return set. But there's something else Neil and I have planned for after the Battle set that we'll have to finish first.

 

Greg

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
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I say it is until proven otherwise. You want to stop me, then have Zaius or Ursus address him by name in the strip. Poor Dr. Garvon, on his death bed, couldn't address his assistant by name because you just want to tease out his identity a little but longer.

 

Greg

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Who says it is Milo?

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With al the excitement over the museum I'd forgotten where we left poor Milo, facing the business end of Ursus' pistol.

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Thanks for sending me this. I do believe Dr. Zaius is trying to stop
the bloodshed. Gee, only 5 more strips to go? How could you possibly
wind this all up so quick with such small panels to work with? I hope
we are not in for another adrupt "world comes to an end" ending. Oh,
wait. Guy who looks like Dr. Milo, spaceships, gorillas at war. OOPS.
If we are still going with that nonsense of picking people, I pick
Rory cause a guy who knows Lancelot Link deserves it. Seriously
though, thanks for all your hard work and the 20 of us really do
appreciate your efforts.

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Thanks for sending me this. I do believe Dr. Zaius is trying to stop
the bloodshed. Gee, only 5 more strips to go? How could you possibly
wind this all up so quick with such small panels to work with? I hope
we are not in for another adrupt "world comes to an end" ending. Oh,
wait. Guy who looks like Dr. Milo, spaceships, gorillas at war. OOPS.
If we are still going with that nonsense of picking people, I pick
Rory cause a guy who knows Lancelot Link deserves it. Seriously
though, thanks for all your hard work and the 20 of us really do
appreciate your efforts.

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In a message dated 5/22/2005 5:50:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

When MTV dressed up chimps to re-enact movies for their awards show
everyone loved it.

Yeah, I used to love the Monkeyed Movie shorts,

especially when they'd string a bunch together.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:

> I've just scanned and uploaded today's ROSE IS ROSE strip from the

Sunday colour funnies in the group's FILES section. Obviously ESCAPE
FROM THE POTA inspired, especially the appraiser's statement "Not the
best selling comic book, but a loyal and devoted fan base!"

-- Ha! this is cool, I love the art style. Now I'm all inspired to do
a strip called Space Apes or something like that in a similar style.
Start writing Whitty! ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:45 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rose Is Rose ~ Space Chimps

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "mystic4ever" <mystic4ever@s...> wrote:
> I've just scanned and uploaded today's ROSE IS ROSE strip from the
Sunday colour funnies in the group's FILES section. Obviously ESCAPE
FROM THE POTA inspired, especially the appraiser's statement "Not the
best selling comic book, but a loyal and devoted fan base!"

-- Ha! this is cool, I love the art style. Now I'm all inspired to do
a strip called Space Apes or something like that in a similar style.
Start writing Whitty! ;-)

Neil

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I remember Baron Von Butcher, Credo, Duchess, Ali Haseen, Doctor Strangemind and Dragon Woman is lovely but she's wicked all the same.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , PofTAfan@a... wrote:

> I remember Baron Von Butcher, Credo, Duchess, Ali Haseen, Doctor

Strangemind and Dragon Woman is lovely but she's wicked all the same.

--And not to forget Lancelot's female sidekick Mata Hari, that other
wonderful agent from A.P.E. (Agency to Prevent Evil)

According to this site: http://tvparty.com/70lance.html" -
"The budget for Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp was the highest ever (at
that time) for a Saturday series - over a million dollars for a
fourteen episode season. The chimps were trained by industry veteran
Frank Inn (Petticoat Junction, Benji).
The sets and props were fairly elaborate and many new lighting
techniques had to be devised to shoot the dark chimp faces."

Wow!

Neil

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----- Original Message -----

From: Whitty, Michael

To: 'Helen'

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 11:23 PM

Subject: FW: Within Chapter 39

 

-----Original Message-----
From: LordTZer0@... [LordTZer0@...]
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 1:21 PM
To: Michael.Whitty@...
Subject: Re: Within Chapter 39

Wow!  As usual the art work is great!

But I must have missed a chapter.

I'm lost!  I'll have to go back and reread.

I nominate Helen!

 

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If she was an orangutan she was a blonde

and could have hitched a lift across the river.

 

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> Thanks, guys. I'm honored. etc.

-- I thought the whole idea of this distribution idea was for
recipients to comment about the strip on the group and then nominate
who gets it next and if they didn't follow that simple rule they
wouldn't get the next one?
Maybe it would be better to just use the method that Dr. John
suggested not long ago and have a 'master' list that you need to stay
on to keep getting chapters?

So who has been nominated to receive it next then?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

> If she was an orangutan she was a blonde and could have hitched a

lift across the river.

-- Umm if she was an orangutan wouldn't she in fact be a red head?

Neil

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In a message dated 5/23/2005 5:33:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

So who has been nominated to receive it next then?

I nominated Helen.

 

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In a message dated 5/23/2005 5:39:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- Umm if she was an orangutan wouldn't she in fact be a red head?

 

uhhhh . . . true.

 

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The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
who didn't hate all humans.

On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:

> On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based on
> the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
> formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
> shift in the way those stories are told?
>
> Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!

The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
who didn't hate all humans.

On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:

> On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based on
> the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
> formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
> shift in the way those stories are told?
>
> Neil

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No, of course I don't mind. I look forward to seeing what you do with
it.

On May 23, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hey! I might steal that! Imagine the issues that could be brought up
> - I can almost BET that Pete would be wary of the gorilla - BECAUSE he
> is a gorilla....and there's some more irony for us!
>
> Great point Anthony - do you mind if I use this?
>
> Michael
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> Of Anthony B. McElveen
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>>
>> The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
>> greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
>> fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
>> who didn't hate all humans.
>>
>> On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:
>>
>> > On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based
>> on
>> > the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
>> > formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
>> > shift in the way those stories are told?
>> >
>> > Neil
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I'm thinking a gorilla in chimp clothing.

An "outcast" gorilla who is more interested in science than in war. Maybe
his mother was killed tragically and his father remarries - a chimp! This
ties in a bit with the funeral in Planet - as an ode at least. His foster
mother encourages him to be more scholarly and his father intervenes, but we
might let him die tragically (or as part of a wider conspiracy!) too.

Left with only a chimpanzee mother, this gorilla is REALLY different.

Anthony, you should name this fellow! I say "fellow" because the irony is
more pungent if we are talking about a male gorilla.....

Michael

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Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!


No, of course I don't mind. I look forward to seeing what you do with
it.

On May 23, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hey! I might steal that! Imagine the issues that could be brought up
> - I can almost BET that Pete would be wary of the gorilla - BECAUSE he
> is a gorilla....and there's some more irony for us!
>
> Great point Anthony - do you mind if I use this?
>
> Michael
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf
>> Of Anthony B. McElveen
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>>
>> The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
>> greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
>> fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
>> who didn't hate all humans.
>>
>> On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:
>>
>> > On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based
>> on
>> > the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
>> > formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
>> > shift in the way those stories are told?
>> >
>> > Neil
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Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:30 AM
To: 'PotaDG@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.

I'm thinking a gorilla in chimp clothing.

An "outcast" gorilla who is more interested in science than in war.  Maybe
his mother was killed tragically and his father remarries - a chimp!  This
ties in a bit with the funeral in Planet - as an ode at least.  His foster
mother encourages him to be more scholarly and his father intervenes, but we
might let him die tragically (or as part of a wider conspiracy!) too.

Left with only a chimpanzee mother, this gorilla is REALLY different.

Anthony, you should name this fellow!  I say "fellow" because the irony is
more pungent if we are talking about a male gorilla.....

Michael

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!


No, of course I don't mind. I look forward to seeing what you do with
it.

On May 23, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hey!  I might steal that!  Imagine the issues that could be brought up
> - I can almost BET that Pete would be wary of the gorilla - BECAUSE he
> is a gorilla....and there's some more irony for us!
>
> Great point Anthony - do you mind if I use this?
>
> Michael
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
>> Of Anthony B. McElveen
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>>
>> The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
>> greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
>> fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
>> who didn't hate all humans.
>>
>> On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:
>>
>> > On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based
>> on
>> > the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
>> > formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
>> > shift in the way those stories are told?
>> >
>> > Neil
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Tovar.

His father commanded an isolated outpost near a ruined city. After his
mother's death, his father's secretary, a female chimp, is given the
job of educating young Tovar. His teacher becomes his stepmother.

On May 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> I'm thinking a gorilla in chimp clothing.
>
> An "outcast" gorilla who is more interested in science than in war.
> Maybe
> his mother was killed tragically and his father remarries - a chimp!
> This
> ties in a bit with the funeral in Planet - as an ode at least. His
> foster
> mother encourages him to be more scholarly and his father intervenes,
> but we
> might let him die tragically (or as part of a wider conspiracy!) too.
>
> Left with only a chimpanzee mother, this gorilla is REALLY different.
>
> Anthony, you should name this fellow! I say "fellow" because the
> irony is
> more pungent if we are talking about a male gorilla.....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf
> Of
> Anthony B. McElveen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>
>
> No, of course I don't mind. I look forward to seeing what you do with
> it.
>
> On May 23, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
>> Hey! I might steal that! Imagine the issues that could be brought up
>> - I can almost BET that Pete would be wary of the gorilla - BECAUSE he
>> is a gorilla....and there's some more irony for us!
>>
>> Great point Anthony - do you mind if I use this?
>>
>> Michael
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf
>>> Of Anthony B. McElveen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
>>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>>>
>>> The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
>>> greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
>>> fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
>>> who didn't hate all humans.
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based
>>> on
>>>> the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
>>>> formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
>>>> shift in the way those stories are told?
>>>>
>>>> Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:15 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.

Tovar.

His father commanded an isolated outpost near a ruined city. After his
mother's death, his father's secretary, a female chimp, is given the
job of educating young Tovar. His teacher becomes his stepmother.

On May 23, 2005, at 8:29 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> I'm thinking a gorilla in chimp clothing.
>
> An "outcast" gorilla who is more interested in science than in war. 
> Maybe
> his mother was killed tragically and his father remarries - a chimp! 
> This
> ties in a bit with the funeral in Planet - as an ode at least.  His
> foster
> mother encourages him to be more scholarly and his father intervenes,
> but we
> might let him die tragically (or as part of a wider conspiracy!) too.
>
> Left with only a chimpanzee mother, this gorilla is REALLY different.
>
> Anthony, you should name this fellow!  I say "fellow" because the
> irony is
> more pungent if we are talking about a male gorilla.....
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of
> Anthony B. McElveen
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 11:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>
>
> No, of course I don't mind. I look forward to seeing what you do with
> it.
>
> On May 23, 2005, at 8:11 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:
>
>> Hey!  I might steal that!  Imagine the issues that could be brought up
>> - I can almost BET that Pete would be wary of the gorilla - BECAUSE he
>> is a gorilla....and there's some more irony for us!
>>
>> Great point Anthony - do you mind if I use this?
>>
>> Michael
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
>>> Of Anthony B. McElveen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 9:55 AM
>>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Buy it... you'll sleep better!
>>>
>>> The series focused too much on chimps and humans. It would've been
>>> greatly improved if they could've added a renegade gorilla to the
>>> fugitive group. There had to be some free-thinking gorillas somewhere
>>> who didn't hate all humans.
>>>
>>> On May 20, 2005, at 8:08 PM, Neil wrote:
>>>
>>>> On a side note are fans happy to have something like stories based
>>> on
>>>> the TV series follow the same boring chase / capture / escape etc.
>>>> formula that it had or would they be willing to embrace a radical
>>>> shift in the way those stories are told?
>>>>
>>>> Neil

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Maybe his mother was killed tragically and his father remarries - a chimp!

Don't do that!!!

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It isn't necessary. It's only important that he's educated by her and
respects her.

On May 23, 2005, at 10:27 PM, mlccougar@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/23/2005 8:30:22 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
> Don't do that!!!

.html.html In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:44:53 PM Central Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

It's only important that he's educated by her and respects her.

That aspect of it is alright (a chimp as his foster mother or something)... It's just the gorilla marrying a chimp that is far fetched... Doing that is going in to Return to the POTA novel territory, where they have a half chimp, half gorilla, which of course is impossible due to their being seperate species...

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.

In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:44:53 PM Central Standard Time, abmac@... writes:

It's only important that he's educated by her and respects her.

That aspect of it is alright (a chimp as his foster mother or something)... It's just the gorilla marrying a chimp that is far fetched... Doing that is going in to Return to the POTA novel territory, where they have a half chimp, half gorilla, which of course is impossible due to their being seperate species...

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.html.html In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:54:40 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Isn't thaty a gorilla funeral and he has a chimp wife?
 
Isn't integration of the 3 ape species an interesting question, relevant to the racial themes of the entire series?


Whitty,

In PLANET, that was just a screw-up and you know it... It's pretty safe to say they just went and used chimp appliances rather than going thru the trouble of creating female gorilla appliances for what would basically be a background ape... Yes, they should have made an actress up properly for the funeral scene, but they didn't... It still doesn't mean that the apes species would intermarry, because it's impossible for them to interbreed because they are all seperate species.

I am not against the idea of some young gorilla being orphaned and raised by a chimp foster parent, or the idea that a gorilla father would become widowed and have his son raised by a chimp nanny, etc. I am just saying keep their species from inter-species marrying...<.html <.html

Because it's impossible for an inter-species marriage to produce
children, there's probably a strong taboo against it.

On May 23, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hey - what about PLANET?
>
> Isn't thaty a gorilla funeral and he has a chimp wife?
>
> Isn't integration of the 3 ape species an interesting question,
> relevant to the racial themes of the entire series?
>
> Michael
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf
>> Of mlccougar@...
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:48 PM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.
>>
>> In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:44:53 PM Central Standard Time,
>> abmac@... writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> That aspect of it is alright (a chimp as his foster mother or
>> something)... It's just the gorilla marrying a chimp that is far
>> fetched... Doing that is going in to Return to the POTA novel
>> territory, where they have a half chimp, half gorilla, which of
>> course is impossible due to their being seperate species...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:07 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.

Because it's impossible for an inter-species marriage to produce
children, there's probably a strong taboo against it.

On May 23, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Whitty, Michael wrote:

> Hey - what about PLANET?
>
> Isn't thaty a gorilla funeral and he has a chimp wife?
>  
> Isn't integration of the 3 ape species an interesting question,
> relevant to the racial themes of the entire series?
>  
> Michael
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
>> Of mlccougar@...
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 1:48 PM
>> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.
>>
>> In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:44:53 PM Central Standard Time,
>> abmac@... writes:
>>
>>
>>
>> That aspect of it is alright (a chimp as his foster mother or
>> something)... It's just the gorilla marrying a chimp that is far
>> fetched... Doing that is going in to Return to the POTA novel
>> territory, where they have a half chimp, half gorilla, which of
>> course is impossible due to their being seperate species...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 2:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Anthony's idea.

In a message dated 5/23/2005 10:54:40 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Isn't thaty a gorilla funeral and he has a chimp wife?
 
Isn't integration of the 3 ape species an interesting question, relevant to the racial themes of the entire series?

Whitty,

In PLANET, that was just a screw-up and you know it... It's pretty safe to say they just went and used chimp appliances rather than going thru the trouble of creating female gorilla appliances for what would basically be a background ape... Yes, they should have made an actress up properly for the funeral scene, but they didn't... It still doesn't mean that the apes species would intermarry, because it's impossible for them to interbreed because they are all seperate species.

I am not against the idea of some young gorilla being orphaned and raised by a chimp foster parent, or the idea that a gorilla father would become widowed and have his son raised by a chimp nanny, etc. I am just saying keep their species from inter-species marrying...

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