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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:01 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Rory's just bein' petulant...

In a message dated 6/26/05 10:19:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** It has EVERYTHING to do with the movies themselves. And the TV
episodes, as well. You just hate Paul Dehn (et al.) for having added
onto the POTA saga, wishing that ONLY the 1st film existed. You're
predisposed to dislike anything having anything to do with "BENEATH"
and the rest. You're a "PLANET" fan, Rory, not a "POTA" fan.

Absolutely right, but it seems like many others here that are less critical of the merits of the sequels don't care much for your "re-writing" either.

-- Rory

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:

In a message dated 6/26/2005 2:19:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
dave@4... writes:

Can anyone think of any earlier examples?


usually a movie with the same character(s) with one or more
sequels IS unrelated. Most were detective films. Mr. Moto
Charlie Chan, Sherlock Holmes, The Thin Man etc . . .
The only other example I can think of is Son of Kong.
Another ape picture. What are the odds?
The comedy team stuff, Marx Bros., Abbott & Costello,
Bob & Bing, were playing the same guys but not the same
characters. Can anyone think of a running storyline that
wasn't a serial? I can't. Even in Blondie the only continuity
is Baby Dumpling. I don't think Ma and Pa Kettle was
continuous. And in the Frankenstein stuff Lugosi was all
over the place, one movie he's Ygor, and the next he's
fighting the Wolf Man as the monster. One up on Karloff
I guess.

"That Limey cocksucker!"
~~~Martin Landau as Bela Lugosi~~~~
--- End forwarded message ---

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim <apefan23@...>
Date: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:35 pm
Subject: [PotaDG] PLOOG!

> Today I went to the Heroes Comic Convention here in Charlotte, NC
> and
> stood and waited for Mr. Mike Ploog to autograph a Marvel Issue
> No. 1 ! Right
> under the Lawgiver in "Terror". Then I asked if he could draw an
> ape for
> me....and he did! I have posted the drawing under Photos>Art. ..He
> was a very
> nice gentleman. I asked where he got his references for the
> series (which he
> LOVED working on) and he said he had some pics but also was
> friends with
> the original storyboard artist whose name I, of course, have
> forgotten! I
> thouroughly enjoyed meeting him and it made my day!
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
> Patrick is evil, capable of nothing but destruction -- to the

>
> -- Rory

>
> In a message dated 6/26/2005 6:48:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
>
> Kevin Smith will probably be saying "damn, that's a whole
> lotta f*%$ing dialog
>
>
>
> Word scripts never translate to film.
> Film is a visual medium. And the
> best actors cans say more with
> a look than a whole page of dialogue.
> If you watch Rio Bravo, or Once Upon
> A Time In Then West, the first ten
> minutes have no dialogue at all.
> No one wants to sit through My
> Dinner With Andre unless they're
> a pretentious snob.

> --- In pota@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/26/2005 2:19:46 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> dave@4... writes:
>
> Can anyone think of any earlier examples?
>
>
> usually a movie with the same character(s) with one or more
> sequels IS unrelated. Most were detective films. Mr. Moto
> Charlie Chan, Sherlock Holmes, The Thin Man etc . . .
> The only other example I can think of is Son of Kong.
> Another ape picture. What are the odds?
> The comedy team stuff, Marx Bros., Abbott & Costello,
> Bob & Bing, were playing the same guys but not the same
> characters. Can anyone think of a running storyline that
> wasn't a serial? I can't. Even in Blondie the only continuity
> is Baby Dumpling. I don't think Ma and Pa Kettle was
> continuous. And in the Frankenstein stuff Lugosi was all
> over the place, one movie he's Ygor, and the next he's
> fighting the Wolf Man as the monster. One up on Karloff
> I guess.

> Thanks for making our day by (1) asking him to draw
> an ape, and (2)
> posting it here.
>
> Dario
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tim <apefan23@...>
> Date: Saturday, June 25, 2005 7:35 pm
> Subject: [PotaDG] PLOOG!
>
> > Today I went to the Heroes Comic Convention here
> in Charlotte, NC
> > and
> > stood and waited for Mr. Mike Ploog to autograph a
> Marvel Issue
> > No. 1 ! Right
> > under the Lawgiver in "Terror". Then I asked if he
> could draw an
> > ape for
> > me....and he did! I have posted the drawing under
> Photos>Art. ..He
> > was a very
> > nice gentleman. I asked where he got his
> references for the
> > series (which he
> > LOVED working on) and he said he had some pics but
> also was
> > friends with
> > the original storyboard artist whose name I, of
> course, have
> > forgotten! I
> > thouroughly enjoyed meeting him and it made my
> day!
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: patrickmichaeltilton <patrickmichaeltilton@...>
Date: Monday, June 27, 2005 11:09 am
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Manageable chunks

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 6/26/2005 6:48:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>
> > DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
> >
> > Kevin Smith will probably be saying "damn, that's a whole
> > lotta f*%$ing dialog
> >
> >
> >
> > Word scripts never translate to film.
> > Film is a visual medium. And the
> > best actors cans say more with
> > a look than a whole page of dialogue.
> > If you watch Rio Bravo, or Once Upon
> > A Time In Then West, the first ten
> > minutes have no dialogue at all.
> > No one wants to sit through My
> > Dinner With Andre unless they're
> > a pretentious snob.
>
> *** It depends on the scriptwriter's savvy with language. Quentin
> Tarantino's scripts ("TRUE ROMANCE", "RESERVOIR DOGS", and "PULP
> FICTION", anyway, which I own and have read) are all dialogue-
> driven,
> rather than action-driven, or overly dependent on visual gimmicks.
> A
> stage version of "RESERVOIR DOGS" has been performed; that script
> actually is ideal for a stage presentation. Tarantino tends to be
> heavy on the dialogue, and he's so good a writer of dialogue that
> it
> tends to "work" rather well. The 'action' in a Tarantino flick
> tends
> to be all-the-more explosive when it does happen (I'm thinking,
> especially, of "RESERVOIR DOGS" here... the Ear-scene, the Mexican
> stand-off, etc).
>
> As for novels with a whole lotta dialogue (and not much action),
> well, Isaac Asimov's best SF novels tend to be predominantly
> dialogue-
> driven. Read his "FOUNDATION" trilogy, or his Elijah Bailey
> detective
> novels, for examples.
>
> For my POTA project, I'm aiming for a comfortable medium, with
> plenty
> of action and goings-on, plus dialogue at pretty much the same
> rate
> that already appears in the novelizations we've all read.
>
> Patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 9:26 PM
To: potacollective; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; the gang; pota_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] OT: Jackson's "King Kong"

  I found a book about Peter Jackson that's pretty good ("Peter Jackson: From Gore to Mordor", 2005 ), a compilation of various writings about his career, including the upcoming "King Kong". It's a U.K. book, part of a series edited by Paul A. Woods (author of the book "The Planet of the Apes Chronicles").

  Woods writes: "It would be nearly three decades on from his first viewing of the original  that Jackson's oft-mooted project to remake "Kong" - which eluded him (in 1996) while the more unlikely ("Lord of the) Rings" trilogy got the green light - would finally be an actuality. The monster fanboy director has since altered his plans (from 1996), claiming, "I don't want to change what I loved about it. I don't want to reinvent it because it doesn't need reinventing", perhaps a sideswipe against Tim Burton's disappointing "reimagining" of "Planet of the Apes" (2001). Jackson was once mooted as a likely director for the POTA remake, which may have rankled, given that the original (POTA) was his other favorite great ape - monster movie as a child. There is a jokey reference to the film in the 1996 "Kong" screenplay, where Ann tries to protect Kong by shouting at Denham, "Take your filthy paws off him - you ignorant pig!" But it's unlikely Jackson could have been much more successfulthan the usually inspiring Burton, if saddled with the same leadenly literal POTA screenplay".

  Of course, "Ape" fans now have visions of a "Lord of the Rings"esque POTA if Jackson had directed, but he sought it out back in 1992 when he was a much different director, and in 1996 Fox sought him out (Jackson got a rep for doing terrific FX cheap after "The Frighteners") but he was doing his first attempt at "King Kong" (which resulted in a bad script, often found on the internet). "Kong" got cancelled and during the early stages of "Lord of the Rings" Jackson and his producer Fran Walsh hooked up with writer Phillipa Boyens. It's the three of them that made "Lord of the Rings" what it was and probably what the improved "Kong" will be (along with the help Jackson's clout provides in terms of not having to jump through studio hoops; maybe "Kong" not being a Fox film will help). So if Jackson had done POTA it doesn't mean it would have been a home run.

  A couple "Kong" tidbits:

  Jackson says the story is "about love" and that "Kong is a very old and very brutal gorilla and he's never before felt a single bit of empathy for another living creature. For the first time in his life, he feels empathy when he meets Ann Darrow. Initially he thinks he's going to kill her and then he slowly moves away from that". Jackson says most of the movie will take place on Kong's island home (battling dinosaurs and such); the last third will take place in 1933 New York (the year the original came out). Jackson will also do the spider pit sequence, which was filmed and lost in the original.

  Jackson: "We will play on the similarities between the jungle of the New York skyscrapers and the jungle where King Kong lives".

  Jackson: "I'm interested in "Kong" being quite stylised and the jungles of Skull Island I want to be very over-the-top, like a jungle from hell".

  Jackson: "Our first script ('96) was sort of "Indiana Jones"-ish and rather flippant. It was what I regard as a very Hollywood script, but now, what we've come to like with "Lord of the Rings" is the approach of making the situations feel very real, even though we're dealing with extraordinary situations and weird characters like elves, hobbits, trolls, orcs and the like. We didn't let the fantasy nature of the story dictate the tone...We decided that that was the approach we wanted to take with "Kong" as well".

  The 2 and a half minute trailer for "Kong" premieres tonight on NBC and various affiliated cable channels around 8:59 P.M. and will be in theaters with "War of the Worlds" this week. - - - Jeff

> I gotta get Neil to draw me a quick original doodle before he gets

> Do you have a story to share with everyone regarding our good

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr Ploog

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Do you have a story to share with everyone regarding our good
friends at Simian Scrolls?

I take it you mean how I got my Ploog signature? When my good mate
Dave Ballard queued up for hours at a convention in the UK recently he
had the decency to show Mr Ploog the 2 ashcan editions of Beware the
Beast and asked if he would sign one for me (he explained I was a big
fan)
Mr Ploog, after having a good look through the comics, signed the
inside cover of #1 for me and added some very nice comments.

Not as good as seeing him in the flesh and getting a signed sketch but
an enormous thrill for me anyhow.

Neil

----- Original Message -----

From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ; pota@yahoogroups.com ; sciencefictiongroup@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 7:22 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] King Kong Trailer

So, now we have a good idea of what this movie will be like.  I'm glad they set it in the early 1930s.  At least the movie will have the right look.  The original (concept, story, film) was a thing of its time and it always been kind of married to the 30's, so I'm grateful for that.  I don't really agree the look of Kong.  Watching a real, although oversized, gorilla going through everything Kong has to go through isn't going to be fun.  I feel too much empathy with gorillas.  I prefer the more monstrous look of the original.  What Jackson's gone for looks more like the mating of an ape and Wallace Beery.  Anyway, as a CGI spectacular, it should be great.

-- Rory

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of veetus@...
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 2:40 PM
To: potacollective; the gang; PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota_Phenomenon@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] POTA in Kong?

  Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas about how Peter Jackson could put a POTA moment in the movie. Since he also loves POTA, how could he do it without taking people out of the movie? (By the way, I liked in the trailer when Kong said, "Bow your heads!"). This thread just occurred to me so I don't have anything to start it with, but if I think of something I'll post it. - - - Jeff

>
>> Anybody been watching the new Doctor Who?
>>
>> Michael
>
> *
> We haven't got it here in the States yet.
>
> -- Rory*
>

And the (anonymous) cartoon artists behind the new Canadian series said some very complimentary things too - as did Gary Challoner.

 

So how do we convert these praises to $s?  ;)

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr Ploog

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Do you have a story to share with everyone regarding our good
friends at Simian Scrolls?

I take it you mean how I got my Ploog signature? When my good mate
Dave Ballard queued up for hours at a convention in the UK recently he
had the decency to show Mr Ploog the 2 ashcan editions of Beware the
Beast and asked if he would sign one for me (he explained I was a big
fan)
Mr Ploog, after having a good look through the comics, signed the
inside cover of #1 for me and added some very nice comments.

Not as good as seeing him in the flesh and getting a signed sketch but
an enormous thrill for me anyhow.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 6/25/2005 11:39:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, 
> Haristas@a... writes:
>
> Based on  all this, in my POTA
> project, I'm gonna have it that the Hunt Leader in  this filmed-yet-
> edited-out scene actually IS Ursus
>
>
> 
> Wait, let me get this straight.
> You rewriting POTA so there's
> a filmed, yet edited out, scene?
> What purpose does that serve?
> You're completely insane!

*** I'm NOVELIZING "PLANET", re-novelizing "BENEATH"-through-
"BATTLE", (re-)novelizing all 14 TV episodes (the 8 Effinger already
did, plus the other 6), so as to tell one humongous overall story.

What purpose does it serve? Well, MY purpose(s), for one. In my
scenario, all the ANSA astronauts we've seen on-screen so far knew
each other -- Taylor knew Virdon & Burke, for instance. They each
left Earth in their respective missions (to Alpha Centauri and
to 'somewhere' in Orion) within a half-year of each other, and as a
result of Taylor being chosen to head the Orion mission and Virdon to
head the Centauri mission -- rather than vice versa -- the Earth ends
up being destroyed: Virdon, in Taylor's shoes, would not have
detonated the Bomb, because they are fundamentally different people.

Taylor left Earth because there was nobody to hold him there (he was
a lonely, embittered man)... but Virdon left Earth on the Centauri
mission with the intention of eventually getting back home to his
wife Sally, and even when Burke thinks he's "off his rocker" to think
he has cause to hope he'll return to her one day, he's the type of
guy who would cling to that impossible hope. Virdon wouldn't have
made the 'connection' to Nova that Taylor made -- Virdon would've
kept faithful to his long-dead wife -- so that Nova's death, though
tragic, wouldn't have been "just another brick in the wall" that
eventually drove Taylor to detonate the Bomb.

In a way, the decision (by somebody, be it the President or some ANSA
upper-eschelon decision-maker) to send George Taylor and Alan Virdon
to command their respective missions has repercussions that could
hardly be imagined at the time (late 1971). Kinda like choosing a
President, to see what sorts of decisions they'll make that will
affect us all, whether we like it or not, and that'll be felt years
down the line by later generations. Imagine Taylor and Burke in 3085,
and Virdon, Landon & Dodge in 3955 -- how differently would things
have gone down, then?

The POTA saga affords an opportunity for any 'fanfic' author to
address those topics that matter to them. The guys who wrote all the
POTA scripts after "PLANET", from Dehn & the Corringtons to the TV
scripters, they all had things on their mind that they could address
in the fictional 'world' of POTA. Just as STAR TREK writers could
address topics near and dear to their own perspectives. POTA is
specifically apropos for discussions of Race, Religion, Politics,
even Sexuality.

Why is it "insane" to include scenes that didn't make it into the
final print? All the prior novelizations (the film ones, anyway)
include scenes that were in the scripts yet did not make it into the
finished film -- whether those scenes were filmed or not. My own
attempts to 'improve' on the prior novelizations centers around being
slavishly faithful to the actual filmed-as-spoken dialogue. Working
from the shooting scripts, Avallone, Pournelle, Jakes & Gerrold all
wrote novelizations that have dialogue that varies from the actual
filmed dialogue.

One quick example. In "ESCAPE", the script has Zira say, "Because I
loathe and detest bananas." (scene B-33)

Pournelle's novelization (chapter 5, page 32) has this paragraph:

Zira turned to the girl. "Because I loathe and detest bananas." Her
voice was very clear and carefully controlled.

In issue 12 of Marvel's POTA magazine, Dixon audibly
wonders, "HMMM... THEN I WONDER WHY THEY WON'T EAT THEM..." and Zira
replies, "BECAUSE WE LOATHE AND DETEST BANANAS!"

None of these is a slavishly faithful rendering of what Kim Hunter
spoke on-camera: "Because I loathe bananas!"

Kim's script called for her to say "Because I loathe AND DETEST
bananas" but she delivered her line without those two words -- "and
detest".

As far as I'm concerned, if it is NOT as it was spoken on-screen, it
isn't canon. The words "and detest" -- though they are in the script,
which Pournelle and Moench parroted, they are NOT what Kim spoke in
the actual movie, so that in MY project her actual words are and will
be, "Because I loathe bananas!"

Just as Han Solo's line about making the Kessel Run in less than
12 "standard time parts" in the original "STAR WARS" novelization
differs from the on-screen dialogue ("less than 12 parsecs") and thus
is not considered "canonical" for later writers of "STAR WARS" books,
so too am I deferring to what is on-screen. I wonder if Lucas will
ever have some other SF writer re-novelize the entire 6-film "STAR
WARS" saga, so as to have the text of that novelization be slavishly
faithful to the actual "final" versions of the films, where Greedo
shoots first, and all that? I could imagine a newer version of the
Episode IV story, where Ben Kenobi sees (and, via the Force, 'feels')
Luke falling in love/lust with the holographic recording of Princess
Leia -- his own sister -- and thinking to himself, 'Should I tell him
she's his sister? If I do, will it put her in danger? But if he's
kept in the dark about this much longer, it'll be tragic later on for
him to realize he's been masturbating over fantasies of a cute chick
he didn't know was his twin sister! What would Yoda do...?' etc. The
thoughts going through Obi-Wan's head would take on a whole new set
of assumptions, based on what the new prequels have added to the mix.

At any rate, my POTA project will occasionally continue a
conversation between certain characters after the filmed scene cuts
to the next scene (thus, all the 'afterwards' dialogue will be
original stuff I've added in), but where a filmed scene plays out
in "screen-time" my novelization will be absolutely faithful to the
dialogue delivered by the actors.

Not that you or Rory have to like it, of course...

Patrick

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In a message dated 6/26/05 10:08:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Not that you or Rory have to like it, of course...

Patrick

And Fox certainly isn't going to like it, so your "novelization" will never get published, and no one but you will read it!

You do have me curious, though.  I wonder how you handle dialogue?  All the characters aren't going to sound like you, are they?

-- Rory

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > I gotta get Neil to draw me a quick original doodle before he gets
> too big
>
> -- In the interests of common decency I will not be tempted to reply
> to this. ;-)
>
> Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Dario
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:46 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Mr Ploog

Cool story about the Ploog signed sketches Neil.

For those that may happen to be in the Toronto, Canada area  August 26-28, that city will be holding it's annual SF/Horror/Comic/Anime/Gaming super convention. I've just confirmed that at least two of the artists that will be working on the new Canadian POTA strips will be there (Tom Fowler and Ty Templeton) as well as Kent Burles who worked on the old Adventure POTA series (I think I already mentioned this quite a while back). So there will be chance to meet # POTA artists at once.

If I do get down there I'll see if any more info about the apes series gets leaked.

Dario

Whitty, Michael wrote:

And the (anonymous) cartoon artists behind the new Canadian series said some very complimentary things too - as did Gary Challoner.

 

So how do we convert these praises to $s?  ;)

 

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ mailto:PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 10:52 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr Ploog

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Do you have a story to share with everyone regarding our good
friends at Simian Scrolls?

I take it you mean how I got my Ploog signature? When my good mate
Dave Ballard queued up for hours at a convention in the UK recently he
had the decency to show Mr Ploog the 2 ashcan editions of Beware the
Beast and asked if he would sign one for me (he explained I was a big
fan)
Mr Ploog, after having a good look through the comics, signed the
inside cover of #1 for me and added some very nice comments.

Not as good as seeing him in the flesh and getting a signed sketch but
an enormous thrill for me anyhow.

Neil

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 4:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: PLOOG!

I set myself up pretty good for that one. Ya Bastard.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > I gotta get Neil to draw me a quick original doodle before he gets
> too big
>
> -- In the interests of common decency I will not be tempted to reply
> to this. ;-)
>
> Neil

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
Helen, more power to you---you've certainly found out more than I ever
dreamed. Wouldn't it be astonishing if Kelley is our chimp.Good luck
and if you need any help just ask.John, Scrolls.
--- End forwarded message ---

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 9:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Fwd: Finding Milo

--- In pota@yahoogroups.com, "shanter2002" <mail@m...> wrote:
Helen, more power to you---you've certainly found out more than I ever
dreamed. Wouldn't it be astonishing if Kelley is our chimp.Good luck
and if you need any help just ask.John, Scrolls.
--- End forwarded message ---

> Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 1:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA in Kong?

How about when Kong gets shot on the Empire State building, just
before he falls, he makes the same sound and spits like Cornelius did
in Escape just before he falls to the lower deck of the ship!
John

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas
about how Peter Jackson could put a POTA moment in the movie. Since he
also loves POTA, how could he do it without taking people out of the
movie? (By the way, I liked in the trailer when Kong said, "Bow your
heads!"). This thread just occurred to me so I don't have anything to
start it with, but if I think of something I'll post it. - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----
From: "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@...>
To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: POTA in Kong?


>
> How about when Kong gets shot on the Empire State building, just
> before he falls, he makes the same sound and spits like Cornelius did
> in Escape just before he falls to the lower deck of the ship!
> John
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
> > Here's a way to bring this around on topic. Let's hear some ideas
> about how Peter Jackson could put a POTA moment in the movie. Since he
> also loves POTA, how could he do it without taking people out of the
> movie? (By the way, I liked in the trailer when Kong said, "Bow your
> heads!"). This thread just occurred to me so I don't have anything to
> start it with, but if I think of something I'll post it. - - - Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Marvel UK issue 37, continuing the Beneath adaptation, is now
available to download from Hunter's site. Like last issue, there are
some pictures from the TV series on the final page.
>
> Next week y'all are on your own to find your way to Hunter's site
when issue 38 is posted, as I'll be building sandcastles with my
nephews on the beach.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Greg

Have fun. I spent the day at the lovely brown waters of the Miss. Gulf
Coast yesterday. My 5yr. old plummeted to his knees and screamed "You
maniacs. You blew it up! Ugh! Damn You! Godamn you all to hell!!" as
he smashed his fist in the sand. The look on this little old lady in
her sundress was priceless. Enough people laughed like the caught it,
though. I was so proud. :) Thanks again for the update on the latest
issue posted.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
> Heh. That's great. Not sure my sister-in-law would appreciate it if
my 4 year old nephew started repeating that line, though. Maybe if we
did the version from Madagascar. I figure it will be an other year or
two before I can watch Apes with him.
>
> Of course, if after we build a sandcastle we pretend we're a
gorilla army who invade and destroy the castle, that's just plain
imaginative fun, isn't it?
>
> Greg
>
> John <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> Have fun. I spent the day at the lovely brown waters of the Miss.
Gulf
> Coast yesterday. My 5yr. old plummeted to his knees and
screamed "You
> maniacs. You blew it up! Ugh! Damn You! Godamn you all to hell!!"
as
> he smashed his fist in the sand. The look on this little old lady
in
> her sundress was priceless. Enough people laughed like the caught
it,
> though. I was so proud. :) Thanks again for the update on the
latest
> issue posted.

> Just uploaded a Beneath poster from Finland! On the DG

> Marvel UK issue 37, continuing the Beneath adaptation, is now

> Next week y'all are on your own to find your way to Hunter's site

> They were fantastic!

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 9:51 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr Zaius - Dr WHO?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> They were fantastic!
Dr Who? on the tube, King Kong, Batman and War of the Worlds at the
movies...what year is this and how far away might another go at Planet
of the Apes be?

--The new Doctor Who is excellent and could give any new POTA project
an idea how to do things. Sure the older series of Dr.Who had dodgy,
lowest of the low, special effects but was so popular and ran for so
long because of great scripts and stories. Now with vastly improved
special effects they have still kept up with the tradition of the
story being all important.
We all know what happens when a film is made with a crap script don't
we!

Neil

> Actually Neil, as you will discover next week, the final 5 episodes

> You will love the last two episodes in particular......

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:13 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Dr Zaius - Dr WHO?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> Actually Neil, as you will discover next week, the final 5 episodes
of Dr Who? are even better than the first 8 and it seems there is a
common thread throughout!
> You will love the last two episodes in particular......

-- Cool, can't wait!
Now if only our favourite Timelord would get in his Tardis and zip to
the Earth's future and find that it is ruled by intelligent talking
apes! Hey how about a Dr. Who / Apes crossover? Doctor Who on the
Planet of the Apes... ;-)

Neil

>
> In a message dated 6/27/2005 9:59:15 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> The scripts aren't as important (to me) as what actually ended up
> on screen.
>
>
>
> Then why are you revising POTA with scenes that either aren't going
> to be filmed, or are going to be film but cut?

> patrick-
> i know you have been working on this for a while, and it sounds

> i guess you will need to add a lot of material to link the movies

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:
> patrick-
> i know you have been working on this for a while, and it sounds
interesting.
> i guess you will need to add a lot of material to link the movies
to the tv show?

*** A fair amount, Ron. Mostly, it's going into background details
regarding barely-mentioned elements -- such as the Astronauts Urko
killed, and the one with the grenade caught sneaking into Central
City whom Zaius had had killed (who, exactly, were they? and
where/when did they come from?)... and the 'Scientists' who left the
holograph projector in the Oakland Science Institute in "THE LEGACY",
etc. Virdon mentions that the O.S.I. was a "think-tank", as far back
as the time they left Earth. Were they a government-affiliated think-
tank, or one devoted to certain business interests with long-term
goals, such as a Bill Gates-type company? Oakland is notorious for
its counter-culture types (Berkeley, etc).

Also, the posters in the subway station Burke 'explains' to Urko.
They detail several "inventions" that weren't around when Burke left
Earth, but that he can reasonably understand. What sort of societal
transformations might those inventions have spawned? Think of our
world without the Internet -- how different would it be? In the POTA
universe, we have the Authenticator; imagine how the widespread use
of such a device might transform society -- for the Better and for
the Worse.

POTA skips over the Nuclear War (sometime between "CONQUEST"
and "BATTLE"), but I'm gonna have to depict it, which also involves
depicting the society that had all the things shown in "THE TRAP"
(the "meal-in-a-pill", "disposable clothing", the "neurological
monitor" thing -- perhaps a derivative invention from the
Authenticator, etc). We don't know which country did the "First
Strike" in the War, let alone who specifically pushed the Button (or
ordered it pushed)... but in my story, I'll have to address this.

There are a lotta blanks to fill in, and my scenario/plotline will be
just one way of filling-in-those-blanks. I choose to have the POTA TV
show be in the "same" universe as the movies -- others don't, so
their scenarios will of course differ from mine. My choices, in part,
dictate what my scenario MUST include, in order for it to make sense
to me.

Patrick

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> patrick-
> i know you have been working on thsi for a while, and it soudns

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
>
> --

>You answered your own question.

> Hey, it's better than the Queensborough Plaza subway station in

>Not that I recall.

>Hey, it's better than the Queensborough Plaza subway station in

> http://www.mylife2live.com/000108.html"

> Just uploaded a Beneath poster from Finland! On the DG

> Photos>Foreign Posters>Beneath....
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Tim

Yeah. My Wife was pretty embarrassed. She's not too happy with him
repeating some of the stuff he watches with Dad. Hey, I watched them
when I was two with my Dad and those are some of my youngest and most
fond memories. He also has a tendency to do things like sing Iron
Maiden while they are in line at the store. He can't help it. He's my
mini-me.

 

   That's great, he is going to follow Dad into the world of sci-fi. My niece who is only 2yrs old, is obsessed with gorillas. She talks about them constantly. Guess who got her started on that track. When she comes to my house, she wants to see the monkeys and the cats.

Elaine

> Thanks for posting the Finland poster! I have never
> seen this one!
>
>
> - In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim" <apefan23@y...>
> wrote:
> > Just uploaded a Beneath poster from Finland! On
> the DG
> site.....under
> > Photos>Foreign Posters>Beneath....
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Tim
>
>
>

> I love the TV Series John.
>
> I just don't LIKE it!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Of luke_the_drifter52
> Sent: Saturday, 2 July 2005 2:52 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Where's TheTrap set?
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> Watching the TV Series can be traumatic!
>
> I take it that you aren't a big fan of the TV series Michael?
> John
>
> --

>> In a message dated 7/2/2005 7:58:13 A.M. Central Daylight Time,

>> she wants to see the monkeys and the cats.

> Talking cats?

>I'd really like to hear from individuals what they think would have

> I think it lacked organisation.
>
> The stories, on the whole, seemed aimless too.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

> Of Neil
> Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 10:26 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Where's TheTrap set?
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>

> >I'd really like to hear from individuals what they think would

> improved/saved the TV Show and why it..well...SUCKED! ;)
>
> -- Well I don't think it sucked but certain parts of it did. I

> these days think back to things like in the episode The Legacy

> Zaius and Co use an old building as a temporary base and outside

> are ape flags hung on the building. Only there is no wind so they
> attached string to a corner of the flag to pull it and make it

> like it is blowing in the breeze and you can clearly see that

>
> Just little things but they add up!
>
> Neil
>
> --

>
> In a message dated 7/2/2005 7:05:57 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> I think there’s a movie about talking pussies……..
>
>
>
> Yeah. It's called Team America.
> Watched it last night. Check out
> the bonus features in the Extras.

> I have to admit that I was really anxious to see "The Liberator"
> when the DVD set came out because I have never seen it. After

> it I feel that it is THE WORST of the whole series!!! I don't even
> think the apperance of Urko or Zaius could have saved that episode.
> And the acting sucked also. (Not Burke, Virdon, or Galen. The rest
> of the actors)
> I feel that the make up lacked from what we had in the movies also.
> You could see the actors teeth all blacked out with out trying to
> and Roddy McDowall had gloves on that really looked like gloves.

> who ever did the stand in parts for Roddy as Galen didn't even
> resemble Galen or Roddy.
> But, on the same hand, if Sideshow releases the Apes TV series as
> figures, I will be the first in line to buy them.
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > I think it lacked organisation.
> >
> > The stories, on the whole, seemed aimless too.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ] On
> Behalf
> > Of Neil
> > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 10:26 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Where's TheTrap set?
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> wrote:
> > >I'd really like to hear from individuals what they think would
> have
> > improved/saved the TV Show and why it..well...SUCKED! ;)
> >
> > -- Well I don't think it sucked but certain parts of it did. I
> always
> > these days think back to things like in the episode The Legacy
> where
> > Zaius and Co use an old building as a temporary base and outside
> there
> > are ape flags hung on the building. Only there is no wind so they
> > attached string to a corner of the flag to pull it and make it
> look
> > like it is blowing in the breeze and you can clearly see that
> string.
> >
> > Just little things but they add up!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > --

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/3/05 10:41:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
>
>
> > No other Television show had that
> > kind of impact on me. Nothing would till Star Wars years later.
>
> STAR WARS?!!!
>
> You traitor!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> From the June issue of Playboy:
> Paul Giamatti 20 Questions
>
> Q14
>
> Playboy: Would you reveal what substances, illegal or
> not, you all had to be on while making "Planet of the
> Apes"?
>
> Giamatti: We should have been taking drugs.
> Unfortunately we weren't on anything. It was fantastic
> when my agent called and said , "Tim Burton wants to
> meet you for "Planet of the Apes." The script that
> actually came across my desk meandered. Bad script. If
> you're going to remake that movie, let alone a good
> science-fiction film, plot would seem to be of the
> essence. Not that the first movie is Jonathon Swift,
> but it has a good satirical point of view. This one?
> Nothing. It just dribbled away. But it turned out to
> be one of the best times I've ever had filming."
>
> Tim
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________