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This coming from my favorite Star Trek nerd. :)

Star Trek pre-dates Star Wars.  I was "into" Star Trek before APES.  I'm just one of those that wasn't at all very impressed with Star Wars when it first came out (1977), and I've never understood what makes it so "wonderful."  Star Wars has always kind of bored me, with the only one I really enjoyed being THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.  However, what my reaction to the original would have been had it came out when I was eight years old, as was the case with PLANET in '68, I'll never know.

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 7/3/05 10:56:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Giamatti: We should have been taking drugs.
Unfortunately we weren't on anything. It was fantastic
when my agent called and said , "Tim Burton wants to
meet you for "Planet of the Apes." The script that
actually came across my desk meandered. Bad script. If
you're going to remake that movie, let alone a good
science-fiction film, plot would seem to be of the
essence. Not that the first movie is Jonathon Swift,
but it has a good satirical point of view. This one?
Nothing. It just dribbled away. But it turned out to
be one of the best times I've ever had filming."

What does he mean "If you're going to remake that movie, let alone a good science-fiction film"?  Is Giamatti implying that PLANET is a bad SF film?  I don't think he meant to imply that, but it sure sounds like it.  I'm beginning to dislike this guy, "alot"!

At least he knows POTA2001 SUCKS!

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best ending ever!, 31 May 2005

Author: acestanley2002 from United States


i think that this movie had the best shock moment at the end of the film than any other film in history. i saw this movie when i was about 9 years old and was fascinated with the thought of apes evolving on another planet and had heard nothing about the ending. when the camera pulls out at the end and shows the statue of liberty i about sh_t my pants. i was totally shocked and awed and i will always remember that moment. i think this movie holds up even today and was way better than tim burtons awful remake. i mean come on mark wahlberg versus charlton heston. heston wins this one easily. moses vs dirk diggler ha! for the times the makeup job on the apes was excellent and its too bad they had to make 4 more of these movies and ruin the franchise.





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In a message dated 7/3/2005 10:45:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

I'm beginning to dislike this guy, "alot"!

Beginning to?  He's the worst!

In addition to Heston's rant,

cut Giamatti's one liners.

It vastly improves the film.

 

 

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I'll go one better than that; I still have my Mego Planet of the
Apes and they are dispalyed in an upstairs room of my house. I would
never say that I don't like the series; I love it. It just had some
flaws. But then again, what show doesn't.


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> Look. The T.V. show is not not the great SciFi epic tht will be
> remembered for "changing the face" of television but just like

Dehn's

> storyline, when we over analyze it now as adults, we forget that

the

> T.V.'s greatest fans were kids. I was like 3yrs. old when my Dad
> would let me stay up to watch it with him and I loved every

second! I

> could follow the simple story and was intrigued to see how the
> fugitives would escape this weeks disaster. The next morning I

would

> have my MEGO figures and Treehouse playset moved into the

livingroom

> and play out last nights story. No other Television show had that
> kind of impact on me. Nothing would till Star Wars years later.

Most

> of my earliest childhood memories are in some way tied into Planet

of

> the Apes.(see member pics) I don't think I would have had that

kind

> of reaction to the T.V. series if it had the involved adult
> storylines we are looking for now.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > I have to admit that I was really anxious to see "The Liberator"
> > when the DVD set came out because I have never seen it. After
> seeing
> > it I feel that it is THE WORST of the whole series!!! I don't

even

> > think the apperance of Urko or Zaius could have saved that

episode.

> > And the acting sucked also. (Not Burke, Virdon, or Galen. The

rest

> > of the actors)
> > I feel that the make up lacked from what we had in the movies

also.

> > You could see the actors teeth all blacked out with out trying

to

> > and Roddy McDowall had gloves on that really looked like gloves.
> And
> > who ever did the stand in parts for Roddy as Galen didn't even
> > resemble Galen or Roddy.
> > But, on the same hand, if Sideshow releases the Apes TV series

as

> > figures, I will be the first in line to buy them.
> >
> > In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > > I think it lacked organisation.
> > >
> > > The stories, on the whole, seemed aimless too.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]

On

> > Behalf
> > > Of Neil
> > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 10:26 AM
> > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Where's TheTrap set?
> > >
> > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > >I'd really like to hear from individuals what they think

would

> > have
> > > improved/saved the TV Show and why it..well...SUCKED! ;)
> > >
> > > -- Well I don't think it sucked but certain parts of it did. I
> > always
> > > these days think back to things like in the episode The Legacy
> > where
> > > Zaius and Co use an old building as a temporary base and

outside

> > there
> > > are ape flags hung on the building. Only there is no wind so

they

> > > attached string to a corner of the flag to pull it and make it
> > look
> > > like it is blowing in the breeze and you can clearly see that
> > string.
> > >
> > > Just little things but they add up!
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > --

I have a closet that displays my Planet of the Apes collection. I
have both my original MEGOs from childhood and new ones I bought from
Ebay in much better condition but without the memories. Me and my son
will spend hours going through that closet. It drives my Wife crazy.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
<JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:

> I'll go one better than that; I still have my Mego Planet of the
> Apes and they are dispalyed in an upstairs room of my house. I

would

> never say that I don't like the series; I love it. It just had some
> flaws. But then again, what show doesn't.
>
>
> In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Look. The T.V. show is not not the great SciFi epic tht will be
> > remembered for "changing the face" of television but just like
> Dehn's
> > storyline, when we over analyze it now as adults, we forget that
> the
> > T.V.'s greatest fans were kids. I was like 3yrs. old when my Dad
> > would let me stay up to watch it with him and I loved every
> second! I
> > could follow the simple story and was intrigued to see how the
> > fugitives would escape this weeks disaster. The next morning I
> would
> > have my MEGO figures and Treehouse playset moved into the
> livingroom
> > and play out last nights story. No other Television show had that
> > kind of impact on me. Nothing would till Star Wars years later.
> Most
> > of my earliest childhood memories are in some way tied into

Planet

> of
> > the Apes.(see member pics) I don't think I would have had that
> kind
> > of reaction to the T.V. series if it had the involved adult
> > storylines we are looking for now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> > <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > > I have to admit that I was really anxious to see "The

Liberator"

> > > when the DVD set came out because I have never seen it. After
> > seeing
> > > it I feel that it is THE WORST of the whole series!!! I don't
> even
> > > think the apperance of Urko or Zaius could have saved that
> episode.
> > > And the acting sucked also. (Not Burke, Virdon, or Galen. The
> rest
> > > of the actors)
> > > I feel that the make up lacked from what we had in the movies
> also.
> > > You could see the actors teeth all blacked out with out trying
> to
> > > and Roddy McDowall had gloves on that really looked like

gloves.

> > And
> > > who ever did the stand in parts for Roddy as Galen didn't even
> > > resemble Galen or Roddy.
> > > But, on the same hand, if Sideshow releases the Apes TV series
> as
> > > figures, I will be the first in line to buy them.
> > >
> > > In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>

wrote:

> > > > I think it lacked organisation.
> > > >
> > > > The stories, on the whole, seemed aimless too.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]
> On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Neil
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 3 July 2005 10:26 AM
> > > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Where's TheTrap set?
> > > >
> > > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >I'd really like to hear from individuals what they think
> would
> > > have
> > > > improved/saved the TV Show and why it..well...SUCKED! ;)
> > > >
> > > > -- Well I don't think it sucked but certain parts of it did.

I

> > > always
> > > > these days think back to things like in the episode The

Legacy

> > > where
> > > > Zaius and Co use an old building as a temporary base and
> outside
> > > there
> > > > are ape flags hung on the building. Only there is no wind so
> they
> > > > attached string to a corner of the flag to pull it and make

it

> > > look
> > > > like it is blowing in the breeze and you can clearly see that
> > > string.
> > > >
> > > > Just little things but they add up!
> > > >
> > > > Neil
> > > >
> > > > --

Well...I saw it was giamatti so I figured I'd scan it
just in case.....then right back to the important
stuff!

Tim


--- John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

> You actually READ the articles? Weirdo! :)

__________________________________

Rory...I think he meant just a good sci fi film in
general......

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> What does he mean "If you're going to remake that
> movie, let alone a good
> science-fiction film"? Is Giamatti implying that
> PLANET is a bad SF film? I
> don't think he meant to imply that, but it sure
> sounds like it. I'm beginning to
> dislike this guy, "alot"!
>
> At least he knows POTA2001 SUCKS!
>
> -- Rory
>

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In a message dated 7/3/2005 4:23:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

It reads to me that he thinks the original POTA is a good sc-fi film……

 

If he'd just thrown in an ANY.

 

As in, ""If you're going to remake that movie, let alone any good science-fiction film . . ."

it would seem more like that's what he meant to say.

 

 

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Rory...I think he meant just a good sci fi film in
general......

Tim

Yeah, I think so too now.

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I think it lacked organisation.

 

The stories, on the whole, seemed aimless too.

 

I would have liked more of the stories to focus on the apes instead of humans. We saw some class distinction with the peasant apes. A story exploring the life of a gorilla soldier or female bounty hunter would ahve been interesting. Elaine

              

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In a message dated 7/3/05 4:56:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Rory...I think he meant just a good sci fi film in
general......

Tim

Yeah, I think so too now.

-- Rory

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I received an email from Sideshow that said Ursus would be in the mail in 21 days. Made me laugh, when I saw the email, I thought he would be in the mail now. Today, when I was driving to work, a car passed me towing a boat. The name of the boat was Ursus. I was wishing I could talk to the owners and find out why they named the boat Ursus. Elaine

Ursus is Greek for a bear.

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I want to see "Prudence and the Pill"!......
Were these all playing on the same bill? Odd that the
god Dr. D was in there amongst the more adult fare

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> Here's an ad I found months ago in The New York
> Times for the 4th of July
> holiday back in 1968. This is what 20th Century-Fox
> had to offer at movie
> theatres in NYC.
>

That should read "GOOD Dr. D" not god!!!

Tim


--- "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...> wrote:

> I want to see "Prudence and the Pill"!......
> Were these all playing on the same bill? Odd that
> the
> god Dr. D was in there amongst the more adult fare
>
> Tim
>
> --- Haristas@... wrote:
>
> > Here's an ad I found months ago in The New York
> > Times for the 4th of July
> > holiday back in 1968. This is what 20th
> Century-Fox
> > had to offer at movie
> > theatres in NYC.
> >
>
>
>

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In a message dated 7/4/2005 11:33:20 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

Odd that the god Dr. D was in there amongst the more adult fare

 

Not really -- the was always a G movie playing so parents could drop off the kids and go see the R flick.  I think it's more amazing it's playing at the same time.  Since it was a '67 film and considered a box-office flop.  Seems like it has pretty good legs to me.  I wonder how far apart the releases were. 

 

 

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In a message dated 7/4/2005 11:34:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

That should read "GOOD Dr. D"      not god!!!

 

Wasn't that a sequel to the Godfather?

 

The Goddoctor !!!

 

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.html.html In a message dated 7/4/05 3:12:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Not really -- the was always a G movie playing so parents could drop off the kids and go see the R flick.  I think it's more amazing it's playing at the same time.  Since it was a '67 film and considered a box-office flop.  Seems like it has pretty good legs to me.  I wonder how far apart the releases were.

You gotta remember, T, that movies used to play in theatres a lot longer in those days.  DOCTOR DOLITTLE opened in just a few theatres in November of '67, and it spread out to neighborhood theatres over the next several months.  It was a bomb, but only because it cost so much, just like other musicals of the time like CAMELOT, STAR!, PAINT YOUR WAGON and HELLO DOLLY!  The studios were crazy spending so much on those productions.  For instance, CAMELOT, released in late '67, made almost as much money in 1968 as PLANET did (around $15 Million), but PLANET was considered a blockbuster and CAMELOT a bomb.  Why?  Because PLANET cost less than $6 Million to make -- and CAMELOT cost $17 Million.  DOCTOR DOLITTLE cost $18 Million to make and only grossed $9 Million, which tells you that those theatres still showing it in July where pretty empty!

Anyway, PLANET opened in NYC on Feb. 8th, 1968, but it didn't open wide until April 3rd.  It was still in theatres around the NYC area until nearly the end of the year.  I was amazed to find, when I moved to Florida in late 1973 and looked up in the library microfilm of the local paper, that PLANET didn't open in South Florida until August 1968!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:12 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago

In a message dated 7/4/05 3:12:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Not really -- the was always a G movie playing so parents could drop off the kids and go see the R flick.  I think it's more amazing it's playing at the same time.  Since it was a '67 film and considered a box-office flop.  Seems like it has pretty good legs to me.  I wonder how far apart the releases were.

You gotta remember, T, that movies used to play in theatres a lot longer in those days.  DOCTOR DOLITTLE opened in just a few theatres in November of '67, and it spread out to neighborhood theatres over the next several months.  It was a bomb, but only because it cost so much, just like other musicals of the time like CAMELOT, STAR!, PAINT YOUR WAGON and HELLO DOLLY!  The studios were crazy spending so much on those productions.  For instance, CAMELOT, released in late '67, made almost as much money in 1968 as PLANET did (around $15 Million), but PLANET was considered a blockbuster and CAMELOT a bomb.  Why?  Because PLANET cost less than $6 Million to make -- and CAMELOT cost $17 Million.  DOCTOR DOLITTLE cost $18 Million to make and only grossed $9 Million, which tells you that those theatres still showing it in July where pretty empty!

Anyway, PLANET opened in NYC on Feb. 8th, 1968, but it didn't open wide until April 3rd.  It was still in theatres around the NYC area until nearly the end of the year.  I was amazed to find, when I moved to Florida in late 1973 and looked up in the library microfilm of the local paper, that PLANET didn't open in South Florida until August 1968!

-- Rory

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In a message dated 7/4/2005 6:28:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

I didn't think it was given the nod this far back but I may be wrong. Does anyone know for sure?

 

It was bounced around a lot. 

It was originally slated at MGM

and Blake Edwards was going to direct.

 

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.html.html In a message dated 7/4/05 5:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll have to get out the microfilm here in the National Library one day!

If you have vivid memories of going to certain films as a kid, you'll love looking at the actual ads from when those films were playing at your local theatre.  I highly recommend it to everyone.  You'll probably find you haven't spent so much time at a library in years.

-- Rory
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.html.html In a message dated 7/4/05 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

Anyone know when Boulle's Planet of the Apes book was first officially given the go ahead to be made into a movie?

I was just having a look through my collection of different releases of the book (which is now way out of hand!) and on the rear cover of the original Signet (US) paperback release (First printing - November 1964) it clearly states "Planet of the Apes will be filmed in 1965."

I didn't think it was given the nod this far back but I may be wrong. Does anyone know for sure?


Neil


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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago

In a message dated 7/4/05 5:52:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'll have to get out the microfilm here in the National Library one day!

If you have vivid memories of going to certain films as a kid, you'll love looking at the actual ads from when those films were playing at your local theatre.  I highly recommend it to everyone.  You'll probably find you haven't spent so much time at a library in years.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:26 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: From book to film

Arthur P. Jacobs was the kind of producer that would publicize it even if it wasn't a done deal.

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.html.html In a message dated 7/4/05 10:28:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I just need the time.

I actually HAD a scrapbook wuth all the original ads cut out of the paper.

Kept them on my cupboard doors with all the posters.

Michael


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:33 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago

In a message dated 7/4/05 10:28:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I just need the time.

I actually HAD a scrapbook wuth all the original ads cut out of the paper.

Kept them on my cupboard doors with all the posters.

Michael

Weren't there any other movies you saw and loved as a kid besides APES?!!!

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Has any one heard if Fox is going to give the rest of the films a
Special Edition release like they did for Palnet of the Apes?

Hey Mike
From what I read it looks like our TV's are always tuned to the same
channel.
I like the films that you mentioned as well. I am a especially a
Star Wars nut! But if I had to choose between Apes and Star Wars I
would have to pick the Apes.


- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> There were others but nothing too important.
>
> I was so blown away by apes it was the priority.
>
> I didn't get 2001. I liked Superman and most Sci-Fi (Logan's Run

etc) and

> Fantasy.
>
> And I liked Star Wars - loved it actually - but not like POTA. I

remember

> thinking the sequels were too much like Sesame Street (is that

GROVER'S

> voice doing YODA?).
>
> Big fan of HERBIE early on....and Chitty Bang Bang......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of

> Haristas@a...
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:33 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago
>
>
> In a message dated 7/4/05 10:28:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I just need the time.
>
> I actually HAD a scrapbook wuth all the original ads cut out of

the paper.

>
> Kept them on my cupboard doors with all the posters.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> Weren't there any other movies you saw and loved as a kid besides

APES?!!!

>
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:28 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago

Hey Mike
From what I read it looks like our TV's are always tuned to the same
channel.
I like the films that you mentioned as well. I am a especially a
Star Wars nut! But if I had to choose between Apes and Star Wars I
would have to pick the Apes.


- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> There were others but nothing too important.
> 
> I was so blown away by apes it was the priority.
> 
> I didn't get 2001.  I liked Superman and most Sci-Fi (Logan's Run
etc) and
> Fantasy.
> 
> And I liked Star Wars - loved it actually - but not like POTA.  I
remember
> thinking the sequels were too much like Sesame Street (is that
GROVER'S
> voice doing YODA?).
> 
> Big fan of HERBIE early on....and Chitty Bang Bang......
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> Haristas@a...
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:33 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago
>
>
> In a message dated 7/4/05 10:28:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
>
>
> I just need the time.
>
> I actually HAD a scrapbook wuth all the original ads cut out of
the paper.
>
> Kept them on my cupboard doors with all the posters.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
> Weren't there any other movies you saw and loved as a kid besides
APES?!!!

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In a message dated 7/4/2005 10:23:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

There were others but nothing too important.

 

Yeah, I did Apes prosthetics.

But when Jaws came out I

just had to make a shark.

It was made of wire mesh

and duct tape, and it was

8 feet long with an articulated

jaw.  It started as just a fin.

 

 

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From: Haristas@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:25 PM

Subject: [PotaDG] Re: From book to film

In a message dated 7/4/05 7:28:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

Anyone know when Boulle's Planet of the Apes book was first officially given the go ahead to be made into a movie?

I was just having a look through my collection of different releases of the book (which is now way out of hand!) and on the rear cover of the original Signet (US) paperback release (First printing - November 1964) it clearly states "Planet of the Apes will be filmed in 1965."

I didn't think it was given the nod this far back but I may be wrong. Does anyone know for sure?


Neil

Warner Brothers was planning on doing it then, even though it was never "green lit."  Arthur P. Jacobs was the kind of producer that would publicize it even if it wasn't a done deal.

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No, they're doing "The Fly" (1986) movies this year. Hee hee hee! - - -
Jeff

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To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:24 PM
Subject: [PotaDG] Special Edition Apes DVD's


> Has any one heard if Fox is going to give the rest of the films a
> Special Edition release like they did for Palnet of the Apes?
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:12:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Anyway, PLANET opened in NYC on Feb. 8th, 1968, but it didn't open wide until April 3rd.  It was still in theatres around the NYC area until nearly the end of the year. 

Heston didn't mention it in his diary until the 15th.

I wonder if he even went.  But he does say he's

cautiously optimistic about it becoming a his

biggest hit since El Cid, especially since he

needs the money, since he's doing some

other stuff for nothing or next to it.

 

 

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It got a pretty good review too . . .

 

Editorial Reviews
Amazon.com essential video
Many early science fiction films are now, quite inadvertently (and in most cases undeservedly), objects of camp attention: we laugh at the silly makeup, tin-can special effects, and the naive "high-tech" dialogue. Planet of the Apes is no such film. Its intelligent script, frightening costuming, and savagely effective conclusion (which needs no big-budget special effects to augment its impact) remain both potent and relevant. When Colonel George Taylor (the fabulous Charlton Heston) crash lands his spacecraft on what seems to be an unfamiliar planet, he is captured and held prisoner by a dominant race of hyperrational, articulate apes. However, the ape community is riven with internal dissention, centered in no small part on its policy toward humans, who, on this planet, are treated as mindless animals. Befriended and ultimately assisted by the more liberal simians, Taylor escapes--only to find a more terrifying obstacle confronting his return home. Heavy-handed object lessons abound--the ubiquity of generational warfare, the inflexibility of dogma, the cruelty of prejudice--and the didactic fingerprints of Rod Serling are very much in evidence here. But director Franklin Schaffner has a dark, pop-apocalyptic sci-fi vision all his own, and time has not dulled the monumental emotional impact of the film's climactic payoff shot. If you don't know what I'm talking about here, you owe it to yourself to check out this stone classic, and even if you do, see it with fresh eyes; and don't be surprised if you get the chills all over again... and again... and again. --Miles Bethany --This text refers to the VHS Tape edition.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Special Edition Apes DVD's

Has any one heard if Fox is going to give the rest of the films a
Special Edition release like they did for Palnet of the Apes?

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Just wanted to say that I managed to find a copy of his 'diary' book a
few months ago and eagerly started looking for his POTA notes. I was
quite disappointed in that there really wasn't to much there and
nothing beyond a few facts. I would have thought that there would be
more.

Dario

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From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Tuesday, July 5, 2005 1:15 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: 4th of July long ago

>
> In a message dated 7/4/2005 4:12:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> Haristas@... writes:
>
> Anyway, PLANET opened in NYC on Feb. 8th, 1968, but it didn't open
> wide
> until April 3rd. It was still in theatres around the NYC area
> until nearly the
> end of the year.
>
>
> Heston didn't mention it in his diary until the 15th.
> I wonder if he even went. But he does say he's
> cautiously optimistic about it becoming a his
> biggest hit since El Cid, especially since he
> needs the money, since he's doing some
> other stuff for nothing or next to it.
>
>
>

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:


" frightening costuming,

??????????

Tim



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In a message dated 7/5/2005 9:15:34 A.M. Central Daylight Time, apefan23@... writes:

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:


" frightening costuming,

 

No I didn't.

 

 

 

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In the Behind the Planet of the Apes Doc. they said that Arthur Jacobs
got a copy of the book before its offical release and quickly bought
the rights.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Anyone know when Boulle's Planet of the Apes book was first
officially
> given the go ahead to be made into a movie?
>
> I was just having a look through my collection of different releases
of
> the book (which is now way out of hand!) and on the rear cover of the
> original Signet (US) paperback release (First printing - November
1964)
> it clearly states "Planet of the Apes will be filmed in 1965."
>
> I didn't think it was given the nod this far back but I may be wrong.
> Does anyone know for sure?
>
>
> Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 7:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: From book to film

In the Behind the Planet of the Apes Doc. they said that Arthur Jacobs
got a copy of the book before its offical release and quickly bought
the rights.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Anyone know when Boulle's Planet of the Apes book was first
officially
> given the go ahead to be made into a movie?
> 
> I was just having a look through my collection of different releases
of
> the book (which is now way out of hand!) and on the rear cover of the
> original Signet (US) paperback release (First printing - November
1964)
> it clearly states "Planet of the Apes will be filmed in 1965."
> 
> I didn't think it was given the nod this far back but I may be wrong.
> Does anyone know for sure?
> 
> 
> Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> In the Behind the Planet of the Apes Doc. they said that Arthur

Jacobs got a copy of the book before its offical release and quickly
bought the rights.

-- So I suppose he would have mentioned to the publishers of the
paperback that he had those rights and was going to make the movie and
they then went ahead and put the blurb about the movie being made in
1965 on the back cover?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:

> " frightening costuming,
> ??????????

-- Yeah, what does he mean by that? Maybe that's how he felt about
seeing Heston in a loincloth? ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , <veetus@e...> wrote:

>For the early history, the book "Legend of the POTA" by Pendreigh is

best.

-- Thanks for the info Jeff, that is one of the few POTA books I don't
have. I'll have to look up a copy (unless someone has a spare they
want to send me) ;-)

Neil

And speaking of books about POTA does anyone have (or know where to
find) a definitive list of books about the making of the POTA movies
including autobiographies that mention anything about the making of
the films etc?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: From book to film

And speaking of books about POTA does anyone have (or know where to
find) a definitive list of books about the making of the POTA movies
including autobiographies that mention anything about the making of
the films etc?

Neil

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That sucks!!! I would rather have special edition Apes!
Oh well, maybe next year


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:

> No, they're doing "The Fly" (1986) movies this year. Hee hee

hee! - - -

> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...>
> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:24 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Special Edition Apes DVD's
>
>
> > Has any one heard if Fox is going to give the rest of the films a
> > Special Edition release like they did for Palnet of the Apes?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 1:41 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Special Edition Apes DVD's

That sucks!!! I would rather have special edition Apes!
Oh well, maybe next year


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   No, they're doing "The Fly" (1986) movies this year. Hee hee
hee! - - -
> Jeff
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "luke_the_drifter52" <JLKINSER1970@h...>
> To: <PotaDG@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:24 PM
> Subject: [PotaDG] Special Edition Apes DVD's
>
>
> > Has any one heard if Fox is going to give the rest of the films a
> > Special Edition release like they did for Palnet of the Apes?

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I would rather have special edition Apes!
Oh well, maybe next year

Don't count on it...

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/2/05 11:28:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
>
> > Yes, "THE TRAP" is set in San Francisco specifically. The subway

station has writing on the wall that reads "EXIT TO SUTTER ST" (cue
to 17:55 on the episode). There is a Sutter Street in San Francisco
(check Mapquest or some other Internet map source, and I'm sure
you'll find it). Exactly WHERE along Sutter Street the building Burke
& Urko are trapped in, that's another matter altogether. But it is in
San Francisco. Evidently, the "exit to Sutter Street" is caved in,
otherwise Burke could've just waltzed out while Urko was still conked

> > out.
> >
> > See? Rory was right: Patrick DOES know! So there!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
> Patrick, you are and ever will be the King of POTA geeks!
>
> -- Rory

*** And you, Rory, are and ever will be the hole between the cheeks!

King Patrick

The impression I got is that Giamatti considers "PLANET" (1968) to be a
satire, predominantly, rather than a mere sci-fi film. Hence, his
reference to Jonathan Swift. "PLANET" is both Satire and Sci-Fi, but
predominantly Satire. They could've told the same basic satirical story
in a magical Fantasy kind of story, where the Protagonist is magically
transported to a "land of talking apes" (our Future) by some wizard...
but the "science fiction" elements helped to set up the premise in such
a way as to be somewhat more believable. Relativistic "time dilation"
at near-light velocities, etc etc.

I'll say this about Giamatti: he jumped at the chance to play an ape --
to endure all those hours of elaborate make-ups that drove some actors
bonkers (Sal Mineo, and the dude who played the Minister in "BENEATH",
Thomas Gomez). As an actor, he figured it would be a challenge to bring
the appliances to life, and all that. Reminds me of James Gregory's
attitude -- as opposed to that of Orson Welles -- regarding being made-
up to play Ursus (a role Orson turned down). I admire Giamatti for
being willing to do something that a vain actor wouldn't do (and here
I'm thinking of Wahlberg and his insistence on wearing more than a mere
loincloth, as Heston was reduced to: for his Dirk Diggler role he was
willing to do things -- and wear 'things' -- to make "BOOGIE NIGHTS" a
great picture... so why be a prima donna on the POTA2K production?).

I only wish Giamatti (and the other actors) would've refused to do the
film on the grounds that the script sucked ass. Maybe the idiots who
green-lighted it would've realized that they're right, and postponed
the shooting of it until they had a script worthy of being filmed.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@y...> wrote:
> Rory...I think he meant just a good sci fi film in
> general......
>
> Tim
>
> --- Haristas@a... wrote:
> > What does he mean "If you're going to remake that movie, let alone
a good science-fiction film"? Is Giamatti implying that PLANET is a bad
SF film? I don't think he meant to imply that, but it sure sounds like
it. I'm beginning to dislike this guy, "alot"!
> >
> > At least he knows POTA2001 SUCKS!
> >
> > -- Rory

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/4/05 12:53:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> taebokitti@a... writes:
>
>
> > I received an email from Sideshow that said Ursus would be in the

mail in 21 days. Made me laugh, when I saw the email, I thought he
would be in the mail now. Today, when I was driving to work, a car
passed me towing a boat. The name of the boat was Ursus. I was
wishing I could talk to the owners and find out why they named the
boat Ursus. Elaine

> >
>
> Ursus is Greek for a bear.
>
> -- Rory

*** Ursus is LATIN for "bear". The constellations Ursa Major and Ursa
Minor are Latin words for "Big Bear" and "Little Bear". They are
positioned directly over the Arctic polar zone... and that zone is
named "arctic" because the Greek word "arktos" means "bear".

King Patrick, the POTA geek who took a couple years of Greek and
Latin language in college...

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In a message dated 7/6/2005 1:42:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

to make "BOOGIE NIGHTS" a great picture...

 

Was Boogie Nights a great picture?

I didn't think so.  If any picture about

the golden age of Porn was a great

picture than Wonderland was a great

picture. 

 

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In a message dated 7/6/2005 1:47:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

King Patrick, the POTA geek who took a couple years of Greek and
Latin language in college...

 

Eventus Stultorum Magister

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> > Hey, Neil & Rory,
> Yes, "THE TRAP" is set in San Francisco specifically. The subway

station has writing on the wall that reads "EXIT TO SUTTER ST" (cue
to 17:55 on the episode). There is a Sutter Street in San Francisco

>
> -- Well it looks like the station they were at would have to be
> Montgomery Street then. I got this from the BART web site:
>
> Exiting the Montgomery St. Station
>
>
> The BART trains at Montgomery Street Station are located three

levels below the street.

>
> Two separate elevators (referred to as Platform and Street) are

needed to get from the train platform to the street.

>
> The Street elevator will take you to the street. When you exit the

Street elevator at the street you will be on the corner of Market
Street and Sutter Street.

>
>
>
> But as the BART platform is 3 levels below ground and there is

clearly a BART train where they are trapped they stuffed up anyway!
Maybe there is a Sutter Street in one of the other nearby cities?

>
> Neil

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*** There's a "Sutter Street" in a town called STOCKTON, CA, a little
over 60 miles east of San Francisco, though I don't know if the BART
system extends that far from the "bay" in question.

There's a "Sutter Street" further north, in YUBA CITY, on the other
side of Sacramento, even further away from the Bay Area.

In a suburb of Sacramento, called FOLSOM, there's a Sutter Street,
too, but a website [http://www.myfolsom.com/sutter_street..html5d has
this to say about it:

"Since the middle of the 19th Century, Sutter Street has always been
the 'heart' of Folsom. A 3-block strip of stores, restaurants, and
bars highlight a part of Folsom that has gone largely unchanged since
1851. While the tenants may have changed over the years, the look and
feel of old Folsom truly brings you back to the days of the Gold
Rush."

The site has some pics that don't really resemble "THE TRAP" so much
as an episode of "THE WILD WILD WEST"!

There's a Sutter Street in FRESNO, too. But that's even farther away
from the Bay Area.

There might be -- and probably are -- more "Sutter" streets in
California, all probably named after some dude named "Sutter" from
California history, I'd bet. It seems to be a popular name for
streets in California towns. But the BART subway station suggests to
me that they're in San Francisco. The BART website has a "Search
BART" search engine, and typing in "Sutter" leads to only 5 "hits",
all of which reference the Montgomery Street BART station vicinity,
and not some other "Sutton Street" elsewhere in the Bay Area.

I did a Google search and found the BART website. Here's the page
where you got your info (everything between the - - - - - lines):

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Accessibility Information of Montgomery St. Station

Entering the Montgomery St. Station

The BART trains at Montgomery Street Station are located three levels
below the street. The first level below ground is the concourse
level. The second level is the platform for boarding the MUNI trains.
The third level is the platform for boarding BART trains.

Two separate elevators (referred to as Street and Platform) are
needed to get from the street to the BART train platform.

The street access to the elevator is located on the corner of Market
Street and Sutter Street.

From the street, the Street elevator will take you to the concourse
level where the station agent and paid area are located. The elevator
buttons are labeled "C" for Concourse and "S" for Street.

Once you arrive at the concourse level you will need to travel
approximately 100 feet to the Platform elevator.

The Platform elevator will take you down two levels: The first level
is to the MUNI platform and the second level is to the BART platform.
The Platform elevator buttons are labeled "C" for Concourse, "M" for
MUNI, and "P" for platform.

When going between the Street elevator and Platform elevator there is
no danger of encountering train tracks.

When the elevator arrives at the platform you will be at the far end
of the platform. Go straight to reach the center of the train
boarding area. Daly City trains are to your right as you exit the
elevator, and East Bay trains are to your left.


Exiting the Montgomery St. Station

The BART trains at Montgomery Street Station are located three levels
below the street.

Two separate elevators (referred to as Platform and Street) are
needed to get from the train platform to the street.

When departing a Fremont – Richmond – Pittsburg/Bay Point bound train
the elevator will be towards the front of the train at the far end of
the platform. When departing a Daly City bound train the elevator
will be towards the rear of the train at the far end of the platform.

The Platform elevator will take you to the concourse level where the
station agent is located. The Platform elevator buttons are
labeled "C" for Concourse, "M" for MUNI, and "P" for platform.

When you arrive at the concourse level you will need to exit the
elevator and go right. From this point you must go approximately 100
feet to the Street elevator.

The Street elevator will take you to the street. When you exit the
Street elevator at the street you will be on the corner of Market
Street and Sutter Street.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

I don't know, offhand, if any other BART stations have an "EXIT TO
SUTTER STREET", as does the Montgomery BART station. Checking the
nearest ones (the EMBARCADERO station and the POWELL Street station,
there doesn't seem to be any access to Sutter Street in their
directions. So... the Montgomery Street Station it is, unless there's
a better candidate.

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/6/2005 1:42:49 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> to make "BOOGIE NIGHTS" a great picture...
>
>
>
> Was Boogie Nights a great picture?
> I didn't think so. If any picture about
> the golden age of Porn was a great
> picture then Wonderland was a great
> picture.

*** I haven't seen "WONDERLAND" -- but I wonder if it would've been
made if not for the fact that "BOOGIE NIGHTS" was made, and was
critically acclaimed -- with Burt Reynolds being nominated for an
Oscar (which he should have won). Didn't Robin Williams get it,
instead, for "GOOD WILL HUNTING"? "WONDERLAND" didn't get the same
kind of raves that "BOOGIE NIGHTS" got, even though it was about a
real porn actor (John Holmes) rather than a fictitious one (Dirk
Diggler). I like the scene in "BN" where Reynolds and his editor are
going over the footage of their first film with Dirk, and gushing
about how they've made a 'real movie', as if it's a work of Art and
as if they're talented Film makers! Steve Martin's movie "BOWFINGER"
reminds me of that, too. People in Hollywood that dream of being
thought of as the equals of Hitchcock or Spielberg or Scorcese... but
they don't have the talent. Yet they plug away at it... making their
movies. The scene where Dirk and his co-star pal are trying to make
it as musicians, too... all that non-talent, and they're oblivious to
it. I laughed my ass off at that scene.

The acting in "THE LIBERATOR" was Oscar-worthy, compared to
the 'acting' of the porn actors in "BOOGIE NIGHTS" -- the footage of
the films, where they deliver their awful dialogue before jumping
right into the improbable sex -- it was so perfectly 'bad'! Then
again, nobody really went to porn films for their artistic worth, did
they? Oh, that was probably Roger Ebert's excuse for going...

Patrick

P.S. I know this isn't on-topic so far... so, here's a POTA
reference, sorta related to the "BOOGIE NIGHTS" topic at hand:
there's a porn flick I've never seen called "PLANET OF THE GAPES"...
and I suspect that my not having seen it isn't all that much of a
loss! Oddly enough, they didn't make "BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE
GAPES", "ESCAPE FROM...", etc. I think the sequels (if you can
call 'em that) were just numbered, like the "SUPERMAN" movies.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 7/6/2005 1:47:38 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> King Patrick, the POTA geek who took a couple years of Greek and
> Latin language in college...
>
>
>
> Eventus Stultorum Magister

Hmmm...

"eventus" [masculine noun, Nominative singular] = "consequence,
issue, result; event, occurrence, experience"

"stultorum" [Genitive plural, masculine] = "of the fools" or "of the
simpletons"

"magister" [masculine noun, Nominative singular] = "master, chief,
head, director" also, "teacher"

By "Eventus Stultorum Magister", do you mean something like "As a
result, a Teacher of Fools"? "Eventus" doesn't really seem to fit,
since "Magister" is a noun, and can only take an adjective in the
same case, not another noun. I don't think your Latin parses all that
well...

Biggus Dickus

For those of us eagerly filling our hardrives with Planet of the Apes
comics, Marvel UK issue 38 is now on Hunter's site. I'd like to again
thank Greg and Hunter for being so reliable on this....now if we could
only get those bastards Neil and Michael to... :)

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. The Pendreigh book is the
best POTA reference around.... period.

With all due respect to all the other books, the Pendreigh book in my
opinion is the best researched and also the one that was best written.
True fans like myself should still have all the other books as well as
the are valuable and enjoyable in their own right, but Pendreigh is
'must have' if you're only going to settle on one or two.

Must admit though that it took a little persistence to finally snag one
on Ebay.

Dario

Neil wrote:

>--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>
>
>>For the early history, the book "Legend of the POTA" by Pendreigh is
>>
>>
>best.
>
>-- Thanks for the info Jeff, that is one of the few POTA books I don't
>have. I'll have to look up a copy (unless someone has a spare they
>want to send me) ;-)
>
>Neil
>
>

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In a message dated 7/6/2005 3:22:07 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

"WONDERLAND" didn't get the same kind of raves that "BOOGIE NIGHTS" got, even though it was about a real porn actor (John Holmes) rather than a fictitious one (Dirk Diggler).

The character Dirk Diggler was based on John Holmes aka Johnny Wad,

though rather loosely.  What's funny about Boogie Nights is the directors

name is Paul Thomas Anderson.  And Paul Thomas was a contemporary

of Holmes, as well as a director.  But you need to see Wonderland.  It's a

much more realistic portrayal.  I used to think Kilmer couldn't act, but

As interesting as the film itself, are the documentaries on the bonus disc.

I haven't seen Planet of the Gapes either -- not my sort of movie.  But I

do have a copy of Playmate of the Apes.  It's almost in the "So bad it's

good" category.  But Wonderland isn't about porn.  It's a true murder

mystery told in the tradition of Rashomon with everyone's version of

the story played out.  Boogie Nights is lighthearted in comparison. 

 

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In a message dated 7/6/2005 3:37:29 A.M. Central Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

By "Eventus Stultorum Magister", do you mean something like "As a
result, a Teacher of Fools"?

 

It's a classic Latin quote, or so I'm lead to believe in Tombstone.

I did the translation for the Latin duel between Doc Holiday and

Johnny Ringo on the IMDB.  Which wasn't easy, since I can't

speak Latin.  But I was surprised no one else had done it.

And the translations on the Tombstone site were less than

satisfactory.  But I wanted to know not only what they were

saying.  Just like I wanted to know what "I'm your Huckleberry"

means.  And all the other vernacular.  "Skin that smoke wagon!"

What a great line.  I watch that movie just for the colorful language.

But from the research I've done it literally means, Events are

the teachers of fools.  Meaning Fools must learn by experience.

You can check the memorable quotes section for my full translation.

It'd be nice to get a critique from some one who actually studied

the language.  I think I captured the gist of the exchange.

  

 

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I would like to again enquire about the newest chapters of Within and
you better not be moderating me. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> For those of us eagerly filling our hardrives with Planet of the

Apes comics, Marvel UK issue 38 is now on Hunter's site. I'd like to
again thank Greg and Hunter for being so reliable on this....

-- Once again, thanks Greg... hey wait a minute, you're not Greg! What
have you done with him?

> now if we could only get those bastards Neil and Michael to... :)

-- If we could only get those bastards Neil and Michael to... what?
Never release another strip because they are bastards?? I have proof
I'm not illegitimate but that other bloke, who knows? ;-)

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> There's a "Sutter Street" in a town called STOCKTON, CA, a little

over 60 miles east of San Francisco, though I don't know if the BART
system extends that far from the "bay" in question.

-- Well if it doesn't in real life there's always the possibility that
in the POTA universe it had been expanded that far, remember we are
talking about the POTA universe here so anything is possible.

Neil

remember we are

> talking about the POTA universe here so anything is possible.
>
> Neil

How about you expand on the Within story and share the next few panels
with your adoring fans. Is that possible? Pretty please with no smart-
ass comments on top. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> I would like to again enquire about the newest chapters of Within

and you better not be moderating me. :)

-- No (censored) (censored) moderation on this (censored) group,
honest. ;-)

N(censored)l

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> You should see the next 12 chapters of WITHIN!!!

-- I thought there were 16 unseen chapters?

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 7/5/05 11:43:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I hope so but I doubt it!

Look for the Ultimate Collector's Edition Separate-You-From-Your-Money-Again Boxed Set of the Planet Of The Apes movies on DVD in.....

2008 -- The 40th Anniversary of POTA!

-- Rory<.html <.html

Could we see them already? Please. I'm beggin' ya. Let me read them
before hurricane Dennis comes this weekend and kills our power.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> > You should see the next 12 chapters of WITHIN!!!
>
> -- I thought there were 16 unseen chapters?
>
> Neil

.html.html In a message dated 7/6/05 2:47:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ursus is Greek for a bear.
>
> -- Rory

*** Ursus is LATIN for "bear".

Oh yeah, right.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 7/5/05 11:43:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
>
> > I hope so but I doubt it!
> >
>
> Look for the Ultimate Collector's Edition Separate-You-From-Your-

Money-Again

> Boxed Set of the Planet Of The Apes movies on DVD in.....
>
> 2008 -- The 40th Anniversary of POTA!
>
> -- Rory

Just like the 4 times I've bought the Star Wars Trilogy. My dumbass
will be first in line to by these... again.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> Just like the 4 times I've bought the Star Wars Trilogy. My dumbass

will be first in line to buy these... again.

Cool John, and whilst you are spending your money can I just remind
you that I have some swamp land here in Queensland for sale... once
you've drained it you'll make millions.

Just sign here_________________ Date________

Neil ;-)

.html.html I just realized that Fox is currently shooting a remake of THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE with Kurt Russell.  It's due out next May, so that's going to keep Fox very busy on the remastered Collector's Edition 2-disc DVD set of the original that had that guy Roddy McDowall in it.

They've got no time for APES right now.  2008, that's the ticket.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> Could we see them already? Please. I'm beggin' ya. Let me read them

before hurricane Dennis comes this weekend and kills our power.

-- Chapter 41 is on it's way to you Doc. Ask and you will receive, see
it's painless!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> I just realized that Fox is currently shooting a remake of THE

POSEIDON ADVENTURE with Kurt Russell.

-- Great just what the world needs- another bloody remake! Ah well, I
bet the computer special effects will be wonderful...

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:04 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Marvel UK issue 38

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> You should see the next 12 chapters of WITHIN!!!

-- I thought there were 16 unseen chapters?

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Within the POTA #41

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> Could we see them already? Please. I'm beggin' ya. Let me read them
before hurricane Dennis comes this weekend and kills our power.

-- Chapter 41 is on it's way to you Doc. Ask and you will receive, see
it's painless!

Neil

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You guys are killing me.


--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:

> Oh, give him a whole freaking PAGE!!!
>
> It's the FOLLOWING page he's hanging for - remember it was his

suggestion

> that brought in the new sub-plot!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of

> Neil
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:31 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Within the POTA #41
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Could we see them already? Please. I'm beggin' ya. Let me read

them

> before hurricane Dennis comes this weekend and kills our power.
>
> -- Chapter 41 is on it's way to you Doc. Ask and you will receive,

see

> it's painless!
>
> Neil
>
>
>

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Oh shit!
> Shall we give them a whole PAGE then?

-- And don't forget there is also the rare unseen censored version of
chapter 13 as well! ;-)

Neil

For some reason some of my post are not showing up.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> You guys are killing me.
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
> <Michael.Whitty@d...> wrote:
> > Oh, give him a whole freaking PAGE!!!
> >
> > It's the FOLLOWING page he's hanging for - remember it was his
> suggestion
> > that brought in the new sub-plot!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com ]On
> Behalf Of
> > Neil
> > Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:31 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Within the POTA #41
> >
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > > Could we see them already? Please. I'm beggin' ya. Let me read
> them
> > before hurricane Dennis comes this weekend and kills our power.
> >
> > -- Chapter 41 is on it's way to you Doc. Ask and you will
receive,
> see
> > it's painless!
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> >

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> You guys are killing me.

-- Yes but with kindness! The whole page is on it's way to you now.

Neil

I already own swamp land here in New Orleans and I ain't making a
penny here either. Besides, I have to start saving my money for those
fancy comics you'll soon be selling for upwards of $3.99 at my local
comicbook stores. The newest chapter of Within does just what the
previous chapters have done... left me in a confused state wanting to
know what the hell will happen next. How can each panel end leaving us
with questions without ever feeling like a plot device has been solved
and a storyline tied-up? The art never falls short of what I've come
to expect and the story continues to draw me in, leaving me wanting
more. I hope you guys can make entire comic issues work this well. If
so, we may have the first succesful Planet of the Apes comic line in
years. Thanks for sending it to me and remember, "I knew you guys
when..."

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Just like the 4 times I've bought the Star Wars Trilogy. My
dumbass
> will be first in line to buy these... again.
>
> Cool John, and whilst you are spending your money can I just remind
> you that I have some swamp land here in Queensland for sale... once
> you've drained it you'll make millions.
>
> Just sign here_________________ Date________
>
> Neil ;-)

Thanks guys. Like I tried to say in a previous post. I can't buy your
swampland because I already own some here in New Orleans and I have to
start saving my money for the fancy comics you will soon be selling in
my local comicbook shops for upwards of $3.99. Each panel ends with
more questions and a desire to see what will happen next. It is truly
great and the art never falls short of what I've come to expect. If
you two can continue this in a full comic issue format I believe we
may have the first successful Planet of the Apes comic series in years.
Remember, "I knew you when..."

I'd love to talk more about the story but I'll wait till the other 15
diehards get to see these too.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > You guys are killing me.
>
> -- Yes but with kindness! The whole page is on it's way to you now.
>
> Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> For some reason some of my post are not showing up.

-- Probably being moderated...

Neil ;-)