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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:00 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Quiet

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, <veetus@e...> wrote:
>   The Underdwellers were cute. After the monster bird and the
Abominable Snow Ape, is reality really a concern?

-- Don't forget the talking apes! Now that is absurd!! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> ... Murdoch's genius dies with him."

-- He'll never die! He's the Monty Burns of the real world!!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> They had major psychological problems.

-- Well spending all your life underground chanting Oosa! and having
beams shoot from your eyes will do that to you! ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Yeah and last time I asked there were crickets.

-- You just had to get cricket in there didn't you? Bastard!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:17 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Quiet

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> Yeah and last time I asked there were crickets.

-- You just had to get cricket in there didn't you? Bastard!

Neil

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Just as we avoid talking about the "monster bird" I
can still hear that horrible screech in my head.....

Tim

>
> One time, we were going to discuss the cartoon but
> that never happened. I
> think we were going to watch it and discuss it,
> episode by episode. Elaine
>
>
>
> Yes, let's talk about the cartoon. Many of you like
> the mutants in Beneath.
> What do you think about the mutants in the cartoon?
> Elaine
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:22 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Quiet

Just as we avoid talking about the "monster bird" I
can still hear that horrible screech in my head.....

Tim


>
>  One time, we were going to discuss the cartoon but
> that never happened. I
> think we were going to watch it and discuss it,
> episode by episode. Elaine
>
>
>
>  Yes, let's talk about the cartoon. Many of you like
> the mutants in Beneath.
> What do you think about the mutants in the cartoon?
> Elaine
>



           
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OK. I am starting to be a little scared by their story comments. The
ape revolution could be really great in comic form with potential for
some great classic comic action... but unless they are going to have
some kind of really well written flashbacks that affect the story I
am really weary of them including all of the primary classic
characters in this 6 issue "trial" run. Throwing everyone into the
story just to do it is not going to impress die-hard fans who want a
good story and it will not help attract new comic fans who are
discovery the apes saga for the first time. This could be another
nail in the coffin instead of the rebirth of the Planet of the Apes.
Why don't you guys release the next couple of panels of your work
to remind us how good a Planet of the Apes comic can be when created
by true fans who really know what they are doing. :)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK well here's the goods on the comics.
>
> Read from bottom to top and you'll get an idea how serious they are.
>
> Comments?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Alrightie...
>
> Here's what I can tell you. It's mostly set post Conquest/pre-
> Battle, but it's not about how Caesar went from the middle of the
> city to the treehouse village, although our story is about Caesar.
> And just to be difficult, Zaius, Cornelius, Zira, Armando,
Hasslein,
> Kolp, Mendez and even Taylor, all show up at one time or another,
> because how much fun would it be to do an Apes comic and not invite
> characters like Zaius and Taylor?
>
> Heck, if they'd let us, we toss in THADE.
>
> Much more is brewing in Apeland than can be learned from that one
> image. I hope you enjoy. We should be sending out preview pages
of
> our first issue in a couple of weeks...
>
> Ty Templeon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Whitty, Michael
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Hi Ty.
>
> Some friends saw a cover for the new comic at a convention and took
a
> photo. Looks very exciting!
>
> All we POTA nerds are now trying to guess what's going on!
>
>
> You can't judge a book by the cover (and PARTICULARLY a POTA
comic!),
> but we all seem to agree this is set post-Conquest/pre-Battle and
how
> Caesar went from the middle of the city to the treehouse village.
>
> Opinions are divided (you know how nerds can be!).
>
> I have bitten my tongue, but I am hoping you could give me SOME
> information that I can share with the others....can you? :)
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton [tybunny@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Believe it or not, I'd already seen some of Neil's impressive work
on
> the Ape fansite, a couple of months ago, when I was first
researching
> this project and I thought it was terrific stuff. (I even sent the
> URL to our writer and lead penciller) .Depending on how we do with
> our little Apes experiment, it's possible we might be finding other
> Apes material to collect and publish in the future. We're creating
an
> all new miniseries using artists and writers from Canada for two
> primary reasons.
> 1) It saves us a bundle in transport costs. None of our art
> packages have to go over a border (in in the case of our lead
> penciller, they're delivered by car, rather than by FedEx).
> 2) We have such a deep and rich talent pool in Canada, that we've
> already got some big Marvel, Dark Horse and DC names lined up to
> produce stuff without having to leave the country... including:
> Darwyn (DC: New Frontiers) Cooke, Tom (Thunderbolts, Superboy)
> Grummett, Leonard (JSA) Kirk, Richard (Pitt, New Warriors) Pace,
> Denis (Superman) Rodier, Ty (Batman Adventures, Spider-Man Human
> Torch) Templeton, Tom (Green Arrow, Star Wars) Fowler, and Joe
> (Robobcop) O'Brien, all of whom will be contributing a cover or a
> story for the first six issues (with luck!) and they're already
> booked up.
>
> AN AMUSING SIDE NOTE: Here in Toronto, I live next door to a man
> named Gary Challoner (who is no relation) and as a result, have had
a
> strange awareness of YOUR Gary Challoner's work for a while. (He
and
> I were once slated for the same issue of the NEW SPIRT ADVENTURES,
> for KITCHEN SINK, I believe, but the book never got finished...) I
> have Gary's URCHAK'S FOLLY stuff, and it's quite good! I like his
> facial expressions.
> I know about the early numbers on Apes books, and how quickly they
go
> down (the recent DARK HORSE series started at 25,000 and was down
at
> less than seven thou within a year). We might have the first
series
> since Marvel not to lose sales, I hope, since we're using fairly
well
> known talent, and have an exciting and controversial story that's
> never been tried in an Apes book before. I wish I could start
> sending the full colour painted pages out to reviewers, etc, but
it's
> still early going yet. (But I've seen em, and they're TERRIFIC!
> Richard Pace has "caught" Roddy's ape face perfectly! And wait
til
> you see our first cover!)
>
> In the long run, I'm possibly one of the biggest APES fans around.
> I'll do good by our hairy friends, I promise.
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton. It's a madhouse! A madhouse!

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In a message dated 8/1/2005 2:13:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

The genius of Rupert Murdoch is his ability to keep [all of the realms of his media empire] together. ... Murdoch's genius dies with him."

 

Well he may be a business genius,

but his son is right about one thing.

That script should never have been

greenlighted.  They should have

pulled a Phil Spector and locked the

writers in a room until they produced.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

> but unless they are going to have some kind of really well written

flashbacks that affect the story I am really weary of them including
all of the primary classic characters in this 6 issue "trial" run.
Throwing everyone into the story just to do it is not going to impress
die-hard fans who want a good story and it will not help attract new
comic fans

-- I was thinking much the same about most of your fears for it when I
first read the news on the comic but then I suppose they really are
caught without much of a choice. It is only six issues, presumably to
test the response, they have to tell an original story AND somehow get
as many of the better known characters in their as well to maximise
its appeal (and sales). I'm thinking there is not much else they can
really do.

Knowing us POTA fans if they didn't include the whole bunch we would
all be complaining that it's not Classic POTA because Dr. Zaius isn't
in it. ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 8:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

OK. I am starting to be a little scared by their story comments. The
ape revolution could be really great in comic form with potential for
some great classic comic action... but unless they are going to have
some kind of really well written flashbacks that affect the story I
am really weary of them including all of the primary classic
characters in this 6 issue "trial" run. Throwing everyone into the
story just to do it is not going to impress die-hard fans who want a
good story and it will not help attract new comic fans who are
discovery the apes saga for the first time. This could be another
nail in the coffin instead of the rebirth of the Planet of the Apes.
   Why don't you guys release the next couple of panels of your work
to remind us how good a Planet of the Apes comic can be when created
by true fans who really know what they are doing.  :)









--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK well here's the goods on the comics.
>
> Read from bottom to top and you'll get an idea how serious they are.
>
> Comments?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Alrightie...
>
> Here's what I can tell you.  It's mostly set post Conquest/pre-
> Battle, but it's not about how Caesar went from the middle of the
> city to the treehouse village, although our story is about Caesar. 
> And just to be difficult, Zaius, Cornelius, Zira, Armando,
Hasslein,
> Kolp, Mendez and even Taylor, all show up at one time or another,
> because how much fun would it be to do an Apes comic and not invite
> characters like Zaius and Taylor?
>
> Heck, if they'd let us, we toss in THADE.
>
> Much more is brewing in Apeland than can be learned from that one
> image.  I hope you enjoy.  We should be sending out preview pages
of
> our first issue in a couple of weeks...
>
> Ty Templeon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Whitty, Michael
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Hi Ty.
>
> Some friends saw a cover for the new comic at a convention and took
a
> photo.  Looks very exciting!
>
> All we POTA nerds  are now trying to guess what's going on!
> 
>
> You can't judge a book by the cover (and PARTICULARLY a POTA
comic!),
> but we all seem to agree this is set post-Conquest/pre-Battle and
how
> Caesar went from the middle of the city to the treehouse village.
>
> Opinions are divided (you know how nerds can be!).
>
> I have bitten my tongue, but I am hoping you could give me SOME
> information that I can share with the others....can you? :)
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton [tybunny@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Believe it or not, I'd already seen some of Neil's impressive work
on
> the Ape fansite, a couple of months ago, when I was first
researching
> this project and I thought it was terrific stuff.  (I even sent the
> URL to our writer and lead penciller) .Depending on how we do with
> our little Apes experiment, it's possible we might be finding other
> Apes material to collect and publish in the future. We're creating
an
> all new miniseries using artists and writers from Canada for two
> primary reasons. 
> 1)  It saves us a bundle in transport costs.  None of our art
> packages have to go over a border (in in the case of our lead
> penciller, they're delivered by car, rather than by FedEx).
> 2) We have such a deep and rich talent pool in Canada, that we've
> already got some big Marvel, Dark Horse and DC names lined up to
> produce stuff without having to leave the country... including:
> Darwyn (DC: New Frontiers) Cooke, Tom (Thunderbolts, Superboy)
> Grummett, Leonard (JSA) Kirk, Richard (Pitt, New Warriors) Pace,
> Denis (Superman) Rodier, Ty (Batman Adventures, Spider-Man Human
> Torch) Templeton, Tom (Green Arrow, Star Wars) Fowler, and Joe
> (Robobcop) O'Brien, all of whom will be contributing a cover or a
> story for the first six issues (with luck!) and they're already
> booked up.
>
> AN AMUSING SIDE NOTE:  Here in Toronto, I live next door to a man
> named Gary Challoner (who is no relation) and as a result, have had
a
> strange awareness of YOUR Gary Challoner's work for a while.  (He
and
> I were once slated for the same issue of the NEW SPIRT ADVENTURES,
> for KITCHEN SINK, I believe, but the book never got finished...)  I
> have Gary's URCHAK'S FOLLY stuff, and it's quite good! I like his
> facial expressions.
> I know about the early numbers on Apes books, and how quickly they
go
> down (the recent DARK HORSE series started at 25,000 and was down
at
> less than seven thou within a year).  We might have the first
series
> since Marvel not to lose sales, I hope, since we're using fairly
well
> known talent, and have an exciting and controversial story that's
> never been tried in an Apes book before.   I wish I could start
> sending the full colour painted pages out to reviewers, etc, but
it's
> still early going yet. (But I've seen em, and they're TERRIFIC! 
> Richard Pace has "caught" Roddy's ape face perfectly!   And wait
til
> you see our first cover!)
>
> In the long run, I'm possibly one of the biggest APES fans around. 
> I'll do good by our hairy friends, I promise.
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton.  It's a madhouse! A madhouse!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 9:08 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> but unless they are going to have some kind of really well written
flashbacks that affect the story I am really weary of them including
all of the primary classic characters in this 6 issue "trial" run.
Throwing everyone into the story just to do it is not going to impress
die-hard fans who want a good story and it will not help attract new
comic fans

-- I was thinking much the same about most of your fears for it when I
first read the news on the comic but then I suppose they really are
caught without much of a choice. It is only six issues, presumably to
test the response, they have to tell an original story AND somehow get
as many of the better known characters in their as well to maximise
its appeal (and sales). I'm thinking there is not much else they can
really do.

Knowing us POTA fans if they didn't include the whole bunch we would
all be complaining that it's not Classic POTA because Dr. Zaius isn't
in it. ;-)

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> If Neil agrees I COULD send some PENCILS.....

-- Yeah I suppose, how about a couple of 2B's and an H? only problem
is they will have Australian Government stamped on them.

Oh, those pencis, what like 2 or 3 panels?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> Oh, those pencis, what like 2 or 3 panels?

-- Pencis?!? What the hell is a pencis? Sounds dirty to me.

Oooh I said pencis!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Oh, those pencis, what like 2 or 3  panels?

-- Pencis?!? What the hell is a pencis? Sounds dirty to me.

Oooh I said pencis!

Neil

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I have been asked to gather opinions and copmments related to the
announcement this morning about comics stories.

What should the writers keep in mind?

What errors were made in Conquest and Battle (eg Mandeamus' age)?

All comments will be summarised and passed on.

Michael

I have been asked to gather opinions and copmments related to the
announcement this morning about comics stories.

What should the writers keep in mind?

What errors were made in Conquest and Battle (eg Mandeamus' age)?

All comments will be summarised and passed on.

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Help for Comics

I have been asked to gather opinions and copmments related to the
announcement this morning about comics stories.

What should the writers keep in mind?

What errors were made in Conquest and Battle (eg Mandeamus' age)?

All comments will be summarised and passed on.

Michael

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 10:06 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> If Neil agrees I COULD send some PENCILS.....

-- Yeah I suppose, how about a couple of 2B's and an H? only problem
is they will have Australian Government stamped on them.

Oh, those pencis, what like 2 or 3  panels?

Neil

.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 6:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

Speaking of Boulle and Monkey Planet, I would like (because I'm lazy!) to have an audio book version of it. At least one of his books has been made into one:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6971015982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1

Why not POTA?

Neil


Who would you get to read it?  McDowall's dead.  Heston's not feelin' too good.

Oh, I know.  French novel = Gerard Depardieu!  Yeah, that's the ticket.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle audio book

In a message dated 8/1/05 6:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

Speaking of Boulle and Monkey Planet, I would like (because I'm lazy!) to have an audio book version of it. At least one of his books has been made into one:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6971015982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1

Why not POTA?

Neil

Who would you get to read it?  McDowall's dead.  Heston's not feelin' too good.

Oh, I know.  French novel = Gerard Depardieu!  Yeah, that's the ticket.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:25 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle audio book

In a message dated 8/1/05 6:26:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, nfoster@... writes:

Speaking of Boulle and Monkey Planet, I would like (because I'm lazy!) to have an audio book version of it. At least one of his books has been made into one:

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6971015982&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:AU:1

Why not POTA?

Neil

Who would you get to read it?  McDowall's dead.  Heston's not feelin' too good.

Oh, I know.  French novel = Gerard Depardieu!  Yeah, that's the ticket.

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 9:34:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

How about Boulle's son?

Boulle has a son?  This is news to me.  I thought he was gay!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 9:35:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did we ever conclude why there is no published novelisatioin of PLANET?

Michael

Excuse me?  There already is a book called PLANET OF THE APES.  You couldn't publish a novelization of the movie and call it PLANET OF THE APES!  It's just not allowed.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:35:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did we ever conclude why there is no published novelisatioin of PLANET?

 

What would you call it?

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 11:45 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 9:35:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did we ever conclude why there is no published novelisatioin of PLANET?

Michael

Excuse me?  There already is a book called PLANET OF THE APES.  You couldn't publish a novelization of the movie and call it PLANET OF THE APES!  It's just not allowed.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:35:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did we ever conclude why there is no published novelisatioin of PLANET?

 

What would you call it?

 

 

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In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Excuse me?  There already is a book called PLANET OF THE APES.  You couldn't publish a novelization of the movie and call it PLANET OF THE APES!  It's just not allowed.

 

Jizactly!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:01 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:46:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Haristas@... writes:

Excuse me?  There already is a book called PLANET OF THE APES.  You couldn't publish a novelization of the movie and call it PLANET OF THE APES!  It's just not allowed.

 

Jizactly!

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In a message dated 8/1/2005 9:02:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Planet of the Apes

 

I guess you could call it Planet of the Monkeys

 

 

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.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 10:01:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Then why do they call the book MONKEY PLANET?

SERENITY NOW!  SERENITY NOW!

It was only titled MONKEY PLANET when it was published in Great Britain in 1964 -- and it hasn't been called that there since 1970.  The official title of the book in English is now, and has been for decades, PLANET OF THE APES.<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 10:04:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

It's entitled MONKEY PLANET in these parts!

It's still called MONKEY PLANET in Australia?!!!  Leave it to you Aussie's to still be behind the times!

I just went to Amazon.co.uk and it's POTA, though they still sell old copies of the MONKEY PLANET editions from the sixties, one of which is several hundred pounds -- just like Michael Whitty!!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist...)
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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 10:01:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Then why do they call the book MONKEY PLANET?

SERENITY NOW!  SERENITY NOW!

It was only titled MONKEY PLANET when it was published in Great Britain in 1964 -- and it hasn't been called that there since 1970.  The official title of the book in English is now, and has been for decades, PLANET OF THE APES.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:13 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 10:04:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

It's entitled MONKEY PLANET in these parts!

It's still called MONKEY PLANET in Australia?!!!  Leave it to you Aussie's to still be behind the times!

I just went to Amazon.co.uk and it's POTA, though they still sell old copies of the MONKEY PLANET editions from the sixties, one of which is several hundred pounds -- just like Michael Whitty!!!!

(sorry, couldn't resist...)

.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 10:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Kinda misleading eh?

NO IT'S NOT!!!!!

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

There is no French word for ape.  The French title literally translates as "The Planet of the Monkeys" BUT they're not monkeys, they're apes, hence the correct title should be and IS -- PLANET OF THE APES.
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.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 10:30:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

You bitch!

By the way - you guys are 16 hours behind us!  :)


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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:34 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 10:30:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

You bitch!

By the way - you guys are 16 hours behind us!  :)

Which only means you need to get back to work and off the computer -- you government employee!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:33 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 10:29:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Kinda misleading eh?

NO IT'S NOT!!!!!

SERENITY NOW! SERENITY NOW!

There is no French word for ape.  The French title literally translates as "The Planet of the Monkeys" BUT they're not monkeys, they're apes, hence the correct title should be and IS -- PLANET OF THE APES.

.html.html In a message dated 8/1/05 10:37:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

How about POTA - the MOVIE ADAPTATION.   ?????

Fox would have to still pay rights to the publishing house that currently owns Boulle's novel!

Do you seriously see Fox doing that?

GET REAL!!!!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 12:42 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/05 10:37:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

How about POTA - the MOVIE ADAPTATION.   ?????

Fox would have to still pay rights to the publishing house that currently owns Boulle's novel!

Do you seriously see Fox doing that?

GET REAL!!!!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> It was only titled MONKEY PLANET when it was published in Great

Britain in 1964 -- and it hasn't been called that there since 1970.
The official title of the book in English is now, and has been for
decades, PLANET OF THE APES.

-- Actually it was still called Monkey Planet when it was rereleased
in Britain (and Australia) in 1974 to cash in on the popularity of the
TV show. As far as I am aware it wasnt retitled in England until it
was again rereleased in 1985.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Whatever - how generous do you feel?

-- Not very.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> Who would you get to read it? McDowall's dead. Heston's not

feelin' too good.

-- Well it could be read by anyone who does those sort of things, it
wouldn't have to be a cast member would it. McDowall would have been
good though, I have him reading the novelasation of Burton's Batman
movie and he is excellent.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> HA! I said copmments!

-- You pencis head!!!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> I have him reading the novelasation of Burton's Batman movie and he

is excellent.

- That's novelisation of course. I just can't spell today!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Boulle audio book

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> I have him reading the novelasation of Burton's Batman movie and he
is excellent.

- That's novelisation of course. I just can't spell today!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 1:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Help for Comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> HA! I said copmments!

-- You pencis head!!!

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Melinda G Kettler
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:13 PM
To: PotaDG; friends_and_fugitives
Subject: [PotaDG] History Channel Program

Hi all,

 

Don't know if any of you are interested, but I was flipping through my History Channel Magazine that I got today in the mail, and there is a one page advertisement for a program coming up on the History Channel called "Ape To Man: The Revolution In Evolution."  The caption at the top of the page says, "Has evolution made a monkey out of you?"  The caption at the bottom says it is suppose to air on August 7th, 9pm eastern/8pm central.  Sounds interesting... FYI.

 

Melinda

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Anthony B. McElveen
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Speaking of books

On Aug 1, 2005, at 9:00 p.m., LordTZer0@... wrote:

In a message dated 8/1/2005 8:35:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Did we ever conclude why there is no published novelisatioin of PLANET?

 

What would you call it?

Isn't the novelisation of Burton's abomination entitled Planet of the Apes?

You can trademark a title, but you can't copyright it.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of taebokitti@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Turmoil in the Murdoch Family

In a message dated 8/1/2005 3:10:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> ... Murdoch's genius dies with him."

-- He'll never die! He's the Monty Burns of the real world!!

Neil


So in other words, he is the real Monty. Elaine

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> What is so unusual about chanting and having beams shoot from your

eyes?

I suppose it's not that weird for us old hippies but for normal
people... ;-)

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of taebokitti@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:17 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Quiet

What is so unusual about chanting and having beams shoot from your eyes? Elaine

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of taebokitti@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

In a message dated 8/1/2005 3:37:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

OK. I am starting to be a little scared by their story comments. The
ape revolution could be really great in comic form with potential for
some great classic comic action... but unless they are going to have
some kind of really well written flashbacks that affect the story I
am really weary of them including all of the primary classic
characters in this 6 issue "trial" run. Throwing everyone into the
story just to do it is not going to impress die-hard fans who want a
good story and it will not help attract new comic fans who are
discovery the apes saga for the first time. This could be another
nail in the coffin instead of the rebirth of the Planet of the Apes.
   Why don't you guys release the next couple of panels of your work
to remind us how good a Planet of the Apes comic can be when created
by true fans who real ly know what they are doing.  :)


One of the things I liked about Beware The Beast was there wasn't a cast of thousands, it was great having the story centered on Gideon. It will be interesting to read this comic and see how they include everyone. Elaine






--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> OK well here's the goods on the comics.
>
> Read from bottom to top and you'll get an idea how serious they are.
>
> Comments?
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Alrightie...
>
> Here's what I can tell you.  It's mostly set post Conquest/pre-
> Battle, but it's not about how Caesar went from the middle of the
> city to the treehouse village, although our story is about Caesar. 
> And just to be difficult, Zaius, Cornelius, Zira, Armando,
Hasslein,
> Kolp, Mendez and even Taylor, all show up at one time or another,
> because how much fun would it be to do an Apes comic and not invite
> characters like Zaius and Taylor?
>
> Heck, if they'd let us, we toss in THADE.
>
> Much more is brewing in Apeland than can be learned from that one
> image.  I hope you enjoy.  We should be sending out preview pages
of
> our first issue in a couple of weeks...
>
> Ty Templeon
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Whitty, Michael
> Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 12:38 AM
> Subject: RE: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Hi Ty.
>
> Some friends saw a cover for the new comic at a convention and took
a
> photo.& nbsp; Looks very exciting!
>
> All we POTA nerds  are now trying to guess what's going on!
> 
>
> You can't judge a book by the cover (and PARTICULARLY a POTA
comic!),
> but we all seem to agree this is set post-Conquest/pre-Battle and
how
> Caesar went from the middle of the city to the treehouse village.
>
> Opinions are divided (you know how nerds can be!).
>
> I have bitten my tongue, but I am hoping you could give me SOME
> information that I can share with the others....can you? :)
>
> Michael
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ty Templeton [tybunny@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 6:08 PM
> To: Whitty, Michael
> Subject: Re: Planet of the Apes Comics
>
>
> Believe it or not, I'd already seen some of Neil's impressive work
on
> the Ape fansite, a couple of months ago, when I was first
researching
> this project and I thought it was terrific stuff.  (I even sent the
> URL to our writer and lead penciller) .Depending on how we do with
> our little Apes experiment, it's possible we might be finding other
> Apes material to collect and publish in the future. We're creating
an
> all new miniseries using artists and writers from Canada for two
> primary reasons. 
> 1)  It saves us a bundle in transport costs.  None of our art
> packages have to go over a border (in in the case of our lead
> penciller, they're delivered by car, rather than by FedEx).
> 2) We have such a deep and rich talent pool in Canada, that we've
> already got some big Marvel, Dark Horse and DC names lined up to
> produce stuff without having to leave the country... including:
> Darwyn (DC: New Frontiers) Cooke, Tom (Thunderbolts, Superboy)
> Grummett, Leonard (JSA) Ki rk, Richard (Pitt, New Warriors) Pace,
> Denis (Superman) Rodier, Ty (Batman Adventures, Spider-Man Human
> Torch) Templeton, Tom (Green Arrow, Star Wars) Fowler, and Joe
> (Robobcop) O'Brien, all of whom will be contributing a cover or a
> story for the first six issues (with luck!) and they're already
> booked up.
>
> AN AMUSING SIDE NOTE:  Here in Toronto, I live next door to a man
> named Gary Challoner (who is no relation) and as a result, have had
a
> strange awareness of YOUR Gary Challoner's work for a while.  (He
and
> I were once slated for the same issue of the NEW SPIRT ADVENTURES,
> for KITCHEN SINK, I believe, but the book never got finished...)  I
> have Gary's URCHAK'S FOLLY stuff, and it's quite good! I like his
> facial expressions.
> I know about the early numbers on Apes books, and how quickly they
go
> down (the recent DARK H ORSE series started at 25,000 and was down
at
> less than seven thou within a year).  We might have the first
series
> since Marvel not to lose sales, I hope, since we're using fairly
well
> known talent, and have an exciting and controversial story that's
> never been tried in an Apes book before.   I wish I could start
> sending the full colour painted pages out to reviewers, etc, but
it's
> still early going yet. (But I've seen em, and they're TERRIFIC! 
> Richard Pace has "caught" Roddy's ape face perfectly!  And wait
til
> you see our first cover!)
>
> In the long run, I'm possibly one of the biggest APES fans around. 
> I'll do good by our hairy friends, I promise.
>
> Ty the Guy Templeton.  It's a madhouse! A madhouse!




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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

> So in other words, he is the real Monty.

-- And when he's drunk he's the full Monty!

Pencis

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Here you go peoples!

-- Could you please upload the poster picture to the files section.

Neil

Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> If Neil agrees I COULD send some PENCILS.....

-- How about I just cobble together some of the panels from pages 11
to 13 (I really don't want to give away any of the story though) and
upload them to the files section in the Going Home folder? No? Too
late, I've alredy done it!

Neil

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.html.html In a message dated 8/1/2005 5:37:29 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

but unless they are going to have
some kind of really well written flashbacks that affect the story I
am really weary of them including all of the primary classic
characters in this 6 issue "trial" run. Throwing everyone into the
story just to do it is not going to impress die-hard fans who want a
good story and it will not help attract new comic fans who are
discovery the apes saga for the first time. This could be another
nail in the coffin instead of the rebirth of the Planet of the Apes.

I would have to agree with this... Throwing PLANET characters in with CONQUEST/BATTLE characters is bad news indeed.... I hear the hammer pounding the nails in the coffin right now...

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Very nice...

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:35 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Planet of the Apes Comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
> If Neil agrees I COULD send some PENCILS.....

-- How about I just cobble together some of the panels from pages 11
to 13 (I really don't want to give away any of the story though) and
upload them to the files section in the Going Home folder? No? Too
late, I've alredy done it!

Neil

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:33:30 PM Central Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Going%20Home/GH%20preview%20panels.jpg

Very nice...

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In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

You can trademark a title, but you can't copyright it.

 

True.

There are lots of movies with the same title

that have nothing to do with each other.

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:42 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/1/2005 11:16:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, abmac@... writes:

You can trademark a title, but you can't copyright it.

 

True.

There are lots of movies with the same title

that have nothing to do with each other.

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In a message dated 8/2/2005 1:44:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Name just ONE!

How about 9?

 

1. Betrayed (1988)
2. Betrayed (2003) (TV)
3. Betrayed (1954)
4. Bound by Lies (2005) (V)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (working title)
5. When Strangers Marry (1944)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (reissue title)
6. Betrayed (1916)
7. Betrayed (1917)
8. Betrayed (1995/II) (V)
9. Betrayed (1926)

Oh, I get it.  One.

Haha

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/2/2005 1:44:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Name just ONE!

How about 9?

 

1. Betrayed (1988)
2. Betrayed (2003) (TV)
3. Betrayed (1954)
4. Bound by Lies (2005) (V)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (working title)
5. When Strangers Marry (1944)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (reissue title)
6. Betrayed (1916)
7. Betrayed (1917)
8. Betrayed (1995/II) (V)
9. Betrayed (1926)

Oh, I get it.  One.

Haha

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:48 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Speaking of books

In a message dated 8/2/2005 1:44:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Name just ONE!

How about 9?

 

1. Betrayed (1988)
2. Betrayed (2003) (TV)
3. Betrayed (1954)
4. Bound by Lies (2005) (V)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (working title)
5. When Strangers Marry (1944)
    aka "Betrayed" - USA (reissue title)
6. Betrayed (1916)
7. Betrayed (1917)
8. Betrayed (1995/II) (V)
9. Betrayed (1926)

Oh, I get it.  One.

Haha

 

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In a message dated 8/2/2005 2:01:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Then there are movies that are SUPPOSED to be similar and nothing alike that have the same name:

 

POTA

 

Bedazzled

 

Yes.  I must say I preferred the Moore * Cook version.

 

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Wow!

The artwork is striking,

as always.  If it's easier

just do the whole thing

in pencil.  No complaints

here.

 

 

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In a message dated 8/2/2005 9:17:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, whitty@... writes:

.which means when he has inked it we go 20 years ahead (remember we were 10 years ahead now) and see the big war.

 

I just don't want to wait 10 or 20 years to read it.

As far as I'm concerned he can save the ink.

Perhaps there's a Photoshop tool that can

ink it electronically.  Ink is for printers as

far as I'm concerned.  Save it for the press run.

 

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Yup.

Neils 'pencils' ('pensis' if you prefer) are an order of magnitude
better than a lot of stuff sold as 'finished' comics. Gotta love
that "Zaius".

Thanks Neil.

Dario

----- Original Message -----
From: LordTZer0@...
Date: Tuesday, August 2, 2005 10:11 am
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New file uploaded to PotaDG

> Wow!
> The artwork is striking,
> as always. If it's easier
> just do the whole thing
> in pencil. No complaints
> here.
>
>
>

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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials

To teach faith as science is to undermine both

by Charles Krauthammer, Time Magazine

The half-century campaign to eradicate any vestige of religion from public life has run its course. The backlash from a nation fed up with the A.C.L.U. kicking crèches out of municipal Christmas displays has created a new balance. State-supported universities may subsidize the activities of student religious groups. Monuments inscribed with the Ten Commandments are permitted on government grounds. The Federal Government is engaged in a major antipoverty initiative that gives money to churches. Religion is back out of the closet.


But nothing could do more to undermine this most salutary restoration than the new and gratuitous attempts to invade science, and most particularly evolution, with religion. Have we learned nothing? In Kansas, conservative school-board members are attempting to rewrite statewide standards for teaching evolution to make sure that creationism's modern stepchild, intelligent design, infiltrates the curriculum. Similar anti-Darwinian mandates are already in place in Ohio and are being fought over in 20 states. And then, as if to second the evangelical push for this tarted-up version of creationism, out of the blue appears a declaration from Christoph Cardinal Schönborn of Vienna, a man very close to the Pope, asserting that the supposed acceptance of evolution by John Paul II is mistaken. In fact, he says, the Roman Catholic Church rejects "neo-Darwinism" with the declaration that an "unguided evolutionary process--one that falls outside the bounds of divine providence--simply cannot exist."

Cannot? On what scientific evidence? Evolution is one of the most powerful and elegant theories in all of human science and the bedrock of all modern biology. Schönborn's proclamation that it cannot exist unguided--that it is driven by an intelligent designer pushing and pulling and planning and shaping the process along the way--is a perfectly legitimate statement of faith. If he and the Evangelicals just stopped there and asked that intelligent design be included in a religion curriculum, I would support them. The scandal is to teach this as science--to pretend, as does Schönborn, that his statement of faith is a defense of science. "The Catholic Church," he says, "will again defend human reason" against "scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of 'chance and necessity,'" which "are not scientific at all." Well, if you believe that science is reason and that reason begins with recognizing the existence of an immanent providence, then this is science. But, of course, it is not. This is faith disguised as science. Science begins not with first principles but with observation and experimentation.

In this slippery slide from "reason" to science, Schönborn is a direct descendant of the early 17th century Dutch clergyman and astronomer David Fabricius, who could not accept Johannes Kepler's discovery of elliptical planetary orbits. Why? Because the circle is so pure and perfect that reason must reject anything less. "With your ellipse," Fabricius wrote Kepler, "you abolish the circularity and uniformity of the motions, which appears to me increasingly absurd the more profoundly I think about it." No matter that, using Tycho Brahe's most exhaustive astronomical observations in history, Kepler had empirically demonstrated that the planets orbit elliptically.

This conflict between faith and science had mercifully abated over the past four centuries as each grew to permit the other its own independent sphere. What we are witnessing now is a frontier violation by the forces of religion. This new attack claims that because there are gaps in evolution, they therefore must be filled by a divine intelligent designer.

How many times do we have to rerun the Scopes "monkey trial"? There are gaps in science everywhere. Are we to fill them all with divinity? There were gaps in Newton's universe. They were ultimately filled by Einstein's revisions. There are gaps in Einstein's universe, great chasms between it and quantum theory. Perhaps they are filled by God. Perhaps not. But it is certainly not science to merely declare it so.


To teach faith as science is to undermine the very idea of science, which is the acquisition of new knowledge through hypothesis, experimentation and evidence. To teach it as science is to encourage the supercilious caricature of America as a nation in the thrall of religious authority. To teach it as science is to discredit the welcome recent advances in permitting the public expression of religion. Faith can and should be proclaimed from every mountaintop and city square. But it has no place in science class. To impose it on the teaching of evolution is not just to invite ridicule but to earn it.

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My thoughts on the comic news Michael posted: I'm excited about it. It's
obviously set in the "classic" PotA universe and that's good enough for me.
I also think that the period between Conquest and Battle is ripe for
exploration, and I am really excited to see it being covered. In fact, I've
not been so looking forward to a PotA comic since I first saw the cover of
the Conquest tie-in issue that Adventure published.

HOWEVER... I'm a bit surprised to see that already we've had a couple of
posts being really negative towards the concept and talking about hammering
the nails into PotA's coffin, etc. - why? All that we know is that the
characters Ty mentioned are appearing in the story, but we know absolutely
nothing about the story or the context in which these characters appear
(e.g. flashbacks, narrations, whatever) so it seems a little presumptuous to
start sounding the death knell already. Let's have a little faith and wait
until we actually know more about the concept before we start ripping it
apart.

On the matter of the talent associated with the project, being a bit of a
comic geek I'm pretty happy with the talent assembled. For one thing, I have
always enjoyed Ty Templeton's work for DC.

Secondly, Darwyn Cooke is a fantastically talented writer/artist and while
Ty only mentioned cover illustration I'd love it if, sales willing, Cooke
was to get a crack at writing and drawing a complete story. His style would
upset a small minority of the PotA purists, but it would be very
interesting.

Other artists mentioned: Tom Grummett I've always liked, particularly back
when he used to do "Adventures of Superman" - he also did a "Superboy" story
a few years back which featured the recently discussed Kamandi character!

Denis Rodier I am familiar with but can't really remember anything about his
work; Richard Pace is a guy whose work I don't think I've seen; Tom Fowler
has done good work on "Green Arrow" recently, one of DC's better superhero
books at the moment; and Joe O'Brien I'm afraid I'm not familiar with.

Finally, Ty also mentioned Leonard Kirk - not only is he a good artist, but
for those of you who don't remember, he also has previous Apes experience,
having illustrated one of Adventure's better miniseries, "The Forbidden
Zone" (which was also the last one they published).

I am REALLY looking forward to this one! Could it disappoint? Definitely.
But on the other hand, it could also be the best Apes comic since the days
of Marvel. We just don't know, and I for one am going to give it a fair go.
I mean, at least it's not PotA2001, right?

Alan

IO don't see how they can even count Thade!! I don't even consider
the Tim Burton film Planet of the Apes material. If they include some
of his work, I won't buy the comic
John


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 8/1/2005 4:48:21 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
> So true.
>
> Let's see....but THADE!?!??! :)
>
> Michael
> Go Thade, Go Thade! It's good to have a manic chimp pop in now and

then.

> Elaine
>
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>
>

His hairline is too high to be Cornelius. I think they did a pretty
good job on him for the most part
I will proably start a fight but I like this sculpt better than the
Cornelius head they were using. I think for the most part the
Sideshow stuff was very well done. I know a lot of you disagree with
that and that is ok; that is your opinion and you have that right.


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Neil,
>
> You are an artist.
>
> Is there ANY way in the world the Sideshow Caesar looks ANYTHING

like

> Caesar.
>
> To me he looks like Cornelius dying at the end of Escape, puffing

up his

> cheeks!!!
>
> Michael
>
> --
> --

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> Neil, You are an artist. Is there ANY way in the world the

Sideshow Caesar looks ANYTHING like Caesar.

-- Well to me it looks okay. I think it does capture his look except
the face does look a wee bit too narrow but it is still better than
Brent!

The one thing I did notice though is they have got his shoes wrong
(or right if you like) Like I mentioned a couple of weeks ago on
this group, they had normal human shoes in Conquest with no room for
the toe / thumb thing (and like I said then, that is probably why
they were so angry!) ;-)

I know the 'human' shoes were wrong and probably due to the film's
budget but if a figure was being released that is authentic I would
have preferred if they had gone with the 'correct' shoes as well.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Alan Maxwell" <alan@a...> wrote:

> On the matter of the talent associated with the project, being a bit

of a comic geek I'm pretty happy with the talent assembled. For one
thing, I have always enjoyed Ty Templeton's work for DC.

-- Ty's work has always been top notch whether writing or doing the
artwork. I am mainly familiar with his work on numerous comics based
on the various new Batman animated series'

> Other artists mentioned: Tom Grummett I've always liked,

particularly back when he used to do "Adventures of Superman" - he
also did a "Superboy" story a few years back which featured the
recently discussed Kamandi character!

-- Tom Grummett is a fantastic artist, I also loved his work on
Superman and he actually did about 100 issues of the 'revamped'
Superboy. The story Alan has mentioned was a bit of a weird one. It
was set on an island which had all the main animal characters from
Kamandi on it and Superboy who had lost his memory (and not had a
haircut for a while) was like the Kamandi character.

> Denis Rodier I am familiar with but can't really remember anything

about his work

-- Rodier is also a fine artist and inker. He was involved with
Superman at the same time as Grummett (around the 'death of Superman'
run)

I am not too familiar with the rest of the talent mentioned but even
with just the ones I know about involved I have high hopes for this
new mini-series.

Neil

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> I didn't take it to mean that Zaius would travel to Caesar's time

and together they would dig up Hasslein's corpse and re-animate him
and Mendez has to team up with a hologram of Taylor built by ANSA to
train new astronauts so that they can defeat zombie-Hasslein.

-- Hey Greg great ideas! Whitty can we do something with this? ;-)

Neil

YOU SELFISH BASTARD!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
<Michael.Whitty@d...>
> wrote:
> > Whatever - how generous do you feel?
>
> -- Not very.
>
> Neil