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Many classic sci-fi movies were made into animation shows like, Star Trek, King Kong, Starship Troopers, Ghostbusters,  Godzilla, Batman and Superman, and the Star Wars/Clone Wars series part 1and 2. The animation is better than it was 25 to 30 years ago, especially with the development of computer graphics. I would really like to see a POTA limited animated series like they did with the animated Star Wars Clone Wars series. Maybe this is what the executives at Fox can get behind like what Universal studio did with the new Battlestar Galactica. 

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Animation has improved over the years so I believe an animated version could be good.
So I am guessing you feel pota should be left alone and no more remakes etc. If I had a choice, I would rather have fan written novels instead

I am not against the idea of doing APES as an animated project, but I AM against trying to remake the original film in any way... An animated mini-series (or full fledged series) wouldn't be a bad thing...

I am not totally against any APES projects, be it film or otherwise, but I am against remakes, particularly when the original can't be topped... For example, if it was a filmed version of the Boulle novel, that would not count as a remake of PLANET...

As far as books go, I wouldn't be against a series of APES books if they were up to good standards and not by some hack(s)...

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I totally agree. Doing an animated remake of the original apes is a bad ideal but doing an animated version of Monkey Planet is a good ideal. Seeing a anime version of Ape City would boggle the imagination.

 

Let send an e-mail petition to Fox to have this done

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Maybe Fox can have the project done by an Japanese company like Bandai or Viz Communication or any japanese animation company. DC did this when they had "The Batman" done as a Japanese Manga and Marvel had a Japanese version of Spider-Man for the Japanese audience, and I read in my latest version of Wizard that they're going to do an animated version of Witchblade. So maybe Fox can have the animated version of POTA done in Japan.  

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 12:09:51 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Animation has improved over the years so I believe an animated version could be good.
So I am guessing you feel pota should be left alone and no more remakes etc. If I had a choice, I would rather have fan written novels instead

I am not against the idea of doing APES as an animated project, but I AM against trying to remake the original film in any way... An animated mini-series (or full fledged series) wouldn't be a bad thing...

I am not totally against any APES projects, be it film or otherwise, but I am against remakes, particularly when the original can't be topped... For example, if it was a filmed version of the Boulle novel, that would not count as a remake of PLANET...

As far as books go, I wouldn't be against a series of APES books if they were up to good standards and not by some hack(s)...

    I have to agree with you about the original film. It doesn't need to be remade. Maybe a

    continuation of the story. Can you define what you mean by "Hack"? Elaine

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 8:51:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

The animation is better than it was 25 to 30 years ago, especially with the development of computer graphics.

I have to disagree.

I'll prove my case.

Old Johnny Quest & Speed Racer

vs

New Johnny Quest & Speed Racer

I rest my case.

 

 

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Wow, I am in.

I need to get a feel for how this all workz.

Thanx for lettin me join
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Can you define what you mean by "Hack"?

For example, someone just hired on as a writer and they are "assigned" a title and they have no idea (or clue) as to what they're writing about... They'd do it because it's their job, but they wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what it really is...

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 11:09:11 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Can you define what you mean by "Hack"?

For example, someone just hired on as a writer and they are "assigned" a title and they have no idea (or clue) as to what they're writing about... They'd do it because it's their job, but they wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what it really is...

Learn more about pitbulls at the official Free Pitbulls, Inc. website:

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> In a message dated 11/1/2005 10:49:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> elfgirl_06@c... writes:
>
> other people have differen perspectives than I do.
>
>
>
>
> I like the book, but I doubt a movie can be done
> from it in English. It just doesn't work as well
> as the screenplay they did for the film. It
> would be corny to hear someone say, "Oh Apes!"
>

*** A good French filmmaker should do a 'faithful' film version, with
actors reciting the novel's original FRENCH dialogue. Then the line
would be "O singes!" It probably wouldn't come across as corny if the
actor read the line as good as a Shakespearean actor delivering the
high-falutin' lines of the Bard. Even though I dig the 1968 movie
more than the source novel, I do love the book and think it would
best be translated into film (faithfully) by a French director with a
predominantly French cast.

The odds of this happening, though, are probably minimal...

Patrick

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> No, not really.
>
> There are new people joining the group every few days, and people

like Patrick Michael Tilton have wanted to read them for a year and
not been able to!

*** Well, I've been able to see 'em now (thanks to those of you --
Dario & Neil -- who sent 'em to my email address, and who put the
gifs up in the Message Board), and I hesitate to yak about 'em
overmuch since, well, the story's gonna go where it's gonna go, and
besides offering praise for the art (etc) I don't know what else
there is to comment on that would be any different from the sort of
speculating that was encouraged regarding the very first image of
WITHIN, where we were all encouraged to guess what the pic was all
about. Maybe I'm just grumpy 'cuz my guess wasn't the one that nailed
it and I didn't win the prize :(

One thing I will comment on, though: it seems fairly obvious that
this story involves Milo somehow gaining access to those ANSA museum
pieces guarded by Mendez's gang o' mutants. Just as a matter of
conversation... isn't this scenario somewhat contradicted by the
unheard dialogue in BENEATH? By that, I mean when Brent is being
interrogated by the Mutants, he is asked questions we never hear, but
we can deduce them from the answers he gives them. After one
question, Brent says that he and his Skipper (i.e. the 'skipper' of
the spaceship seen at the beginning of the film) came from Earth --
the same planet he's on right then -- but from "another time period,
long ago..." ... and then another unheard question is >MEEPed< into
his brain and he says, "I know it sounds insane... but it's my
insanity" (etc). Doesn't this imply, then, that the Mutants don't
have any prior knowledge of ANSA technology and its capabilities --
which includes Taylor's description of Time Dilation when travelling
at nearly the speed of light according to Doctor Hasslein's
hypothesis?

Or do these Mutants just guard these things not having the slightest
clue what they are and/or what they can do?

If they do NOT know what the ships in this museum are designed to do,
then from whom will Milo acquire the knowledge of how to take the
necessary parts (which ones?) out of these museum pieces and replace
whatever damaged parts were in the ship he supposedly salvages?

And, IF this story is to include Milo replacing damaged parts from
the ship that sank into Dead Lake with working units from one or more
of these museum relics... how is it that the President in ESCAPE will
fail to mention that the ship -- which had been studied
with "microscopic scrutiny" -- had had some parts REPLACED some time
between Taylor's launch and the Ape-onauts' landing?

Not knowing what's coming in future installments of WITHIN, I can
only wonder... and hope you dudes are "minding your Ps and Qs" and
dotting every "i" and crossing every "t".

How's THAT for some input on WITHIN, you monkeys???

Patrick

>
> And remember the objective too - these strips are actually designed

to give the group something to think about and comment on. At first
it was the identity of some of the characters. Also, when the strip
is set. And the role of Ursus' wife in his quest for power.

>
> Maybe currently there's just less to discuss, but even that could

be something to mention.

>
> Some of the feedback we got actually led to the mutants getting

involved and some of the bloody battle scenes!

>
> Anyway, I am getting very frustrated with the lack of participation

of some individuals.

>
> Michael

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        You are right about the so-called New Speed Racer and Johnny Quest. But!!!! They were not done by major studios like WB, Disney or animation studios in Japan or Korea. Look what happen when the did animation of Spider-Man, X-Men, Batman and Superman.  I still think that Fox can do a direct to DVD animation video of a POTA story. Even a studio like Pixar can attempt a Apes video.

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How cool would that be? 

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"Ape Story"



No.  I don't think so.

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 3:33:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

French director with a
predominantly French cast.

I always thought that French guy in Mel Gibson's Patriot would be good.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 6:15:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

But!!!! They were not done by major studios like WB, Disney or animation studios in Japan or Korea.

 

Yeah, but even animation done by Disney and the Japanese

is don in Korea, not to mention The Simpsons, Family Guy

and everyone else.  It's the only way to keep the cost down.

Lately though some of the Japanese studios have been

sending work to China where they can get an even better

price.  What I don't like is when they have a lot of static

scenes to save even more money.  That's okay in anime

to set a mood or whatever.  But not just to save money.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 6:26:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Even a studio like Pixar can attempt a Apes video.

I've been more and more impressed with CG characters

lately.  I think in a couple few years, that instead of

makeup the apes could be done that way, in part, or

completely.  I don't know if that would save any money

on the budget.  But I do think it might solve some of the

technical problems.  The old makeups had little articulation

of the lips, and the new ones look like they had botox in

their upper lips.  Not to mention trying to talk with dentures.

 

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>I like the book, but I doubt a movie can be done
>from it in English.  It just doesn't work as well
>as the screenplay they did for the film.  It
>would be corny to hear someone say, "Oh Apes!"
>

*** A good French filmmaker should do a 'faithful' film version, with
actors reciting the novel's original FRENCH dialogue. Then the line
would be "O singes!" It probably wouldn't come across as corny if the
actor read the line as good as a Shakespearean actor delivering the
high-falutin' lines of the Bard. Even though I dig the 1968 movie
more than the source novel, I do love the book and think it would
best be translated into film (faithfully) by a French director with a
predominantly French cast.

What I don't get is why you guys are so damned hung up on having it done in French anyway?(Chances are this is something that will never be anyway...) Just because the novel itself was written in French does not make the story "French". The dialog in a script is hardly ever verbatim of the book's text, so the whole "Oh Apes" line could be changed anyway... And face it, if this was to ever be filmed it would more than likely have to be an "American" movie, if it'd be expected to have any commercial appeal...

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 4:08:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Oh man, this is SO well written!

I've seen better written fortune cookies.

 

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In a message dated 11/3/2005 11:09:11 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

Can you define what you mean by "Hack"?

For example, someone just hired on as a writer and they are "assigned" a title and they have no idea (or clue) as to what they're writing about... They'd do it because it's their job, but they wouldn't have the slightest clue as to what it really is...

 

  Good definition. That is why it is better to have fans write novels about sci-fi shows and movies. I think they usually know what they are writing about. Elaine

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In a message dated 11/4/2005 3:33:54 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

>I like the book, but I doubt a movie can be done
>from it in English.  It just doesn't work as well
>as the screenplay they did for the film.  It
>would be corny to hear someone say, "Oh Apes!"
>

*** A good French filmmaker should do a 'faithful' film version, with
actors reciting the novel's original FRENCH dialogue. Then the line
would be "O singes!" It probably wouldn't come across as corny if the
actor read the line as good as a Shakespearean actor delivering the
high-falutin' lines of the Bard. Even though I dig the 1968 movie
more than the source novel, I do love the book and think it would
best be translated into film (faithfully) by a French director with a
predominantly French cast.

What I don't get is why you guys are so damned hung up on having it done in French anyway?(Chances are this is something that will never be anyway...) Just because the novel itself was written in French does not make the story "French". The dialog in a script is hardly ever verbatim of the book's text, so the whole "Oh Apes" line could be changed anyway... And face it, if this was to ever be filmed it would more than likely have to be an "American" movie, if it'd be expected to have any commercial appeal...

  With all the rioting in France right now, I doubt making a movie of pota in French is a high

 priority. Elaine

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 4:08:13 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Oh man, this is SO well written!

I've seen better written fortune cookies.

  My world is so small, what have you read on a fortune cookie that is better than this strip?

  Elaine

 

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I know most Apes fans cringe at the 2001 Tim Burton offering,
but....why?
Was it the script?
The direction?
Wahlberg?

Well, while working extra hours the other day, my mind began to wander.
And, it seems, it wandered into the Forbidden Zone. Would the film have
been any better had Burton teamed up once again with Johnny Depp as the
astronaut? Would it have made it a better film? More interesting?
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Hi all,
Just spotted an interview with Ty Templeton on the new comic at
www.silverbulletcomics.com "social commentary on a simian world"
thought you all would find it interesting
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In a message dated 11/4/2005 3:33:54 PM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

*** A good French filmmaker should do a 'faithful' film version, with
actors reciting the novel's original FRENCH dialogue.

One more bit on this whole Monkey Planet in French: Why would you do it in that langauge anyway? The apes on Soror speak their own language, not French or English... The only ape that speaks any French is Zira when she is learning to communicate with Ulysse... Other than her, none of them speak it, and Ulysse is speaking THEIR language, they're not speaking his...

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> Hey Graham - I could not find it!
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> Hi all,
> Just spotted an interview with Ty Templeton on the new comic at
> www.silverbulletcomics.com "social commentary on a simian world"
> thought you all would find it interesting
> Best Graham.
>

Whoops looks like I gave the wrong address. It should have been
http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/ I'll learn to type one of
these days:)
Best Graham.

Thanks for these Graham and Neil.....outstanding work!
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> Thanks for these Graham and Neil.....outstanding work!
> Tim
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You're welcome Tim glad you like them.
Best wishes Graham.
Ps Yeah thanks to Neil again for posting them up I've still no idea
how to do this (can't even put the right links to web pages with out
getting it wrong :) )

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> blasphemous idea of crossing Caesar from CONQUEST with Thade from

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> Thankfully FOX actually did not allow this to happen. I will say

at least FOX

> knows that these are two seperate entities and should remain

seperate... Also,

> in his interview he mistakenly says that MONKEY PLANET was adapted

to comics

> form in the early 90's...
>

I thought the bit about Thade would be the most contentious
part. Though I'm not really a pota2001 hater you're right they are
two seperate entities. Glad to see you say that Adventure comics
didn't do Monkey Planet, I thought it was just me but I thought they
hadn't, but I bailed pretty quickly so I but wasn't 100%. I'd
probably given it a go if they had ( more than likely regretting
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two seperate entities. Glad to see you say that Adventure comics
didn't do Monkey Planet, I thought it was just me but I thought they
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>
>
> Social Commentary on a Simian World: Ty Templeton Returns to The

Planet of

> the Apes
>

-- Very interesting. I like the way he mentions that there are aspects
of the Boulle unused scripts for an Apes sequel that he would like to
adapt and also stuff from the the first draft of the Beneath script.

The good news is that it looks like they are definitely looking
forward past the first 6 comics.

Neil

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  Good definition. That is why it is better to have fans write novels about sci-fi shows and movies. I think they usually know what they are writing about. Elaine

 

Maybe, but I've never read any good Fanfic.

I think the comics are the exception to that

rule.  They're actually better than the originals.

Speaking of which . . . I sure whish they'd do

some about the time gaps.  You know the

parts of the story that weren't in the movies.

I think it's great that they're doing in between

Conquest and Battle, but what about between

Planet and Beneath?  Or Beneath & Escape?

Or how about Pre-Taylor Planet?  That could

use some exploring as well!

 

 

 

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 7:24:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  My world is so small, what have you read on a fortune cookie that is better than this strip?

  Elaine

 

That was a joke Elaine.

 

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 7:24:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  My world is so small, what have you read on a fortune cookie that is better than this strip?

  Elaine

 

That was a joke Elaine.

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 7:45:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  With all the rioting in France right now, I doubt making a movie of pota in French is a high

 priority. Elaine

 

Plenty of good places to shoot Beneath though.

 

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 10:10:15 A.M. Central Standard Time, PofTAfan@... writes:

You forgot one...like

 

All of the above!!

 

LOL!!!  See!

 

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:16:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:

Was it the script?
The direction?
Wahlberg?

All of the above.

 

As to Depp playing the astronaut, if Burton had him acting the same

way as Wahlberg, it wouldn't have been much of an improvement. Leo

is just a wooden character.  He doesn't care about Daena. He doesn't

care about Ari.  He claims to care about his chimp, and then takes his

spaceship and leaves him behind.  Leo only cares about Leo, and I

didn't see any growth in that character in the whole movie.

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:16:20 A.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:

Was it the script?
The direction?
Wahlberg?

All of the above.

 

As to Depp playing the astronaut, if Burton had him acting the same

way as Wahlberg, it wouldn't have been much of an improvement. Leo

is just a wooden character.  He doesn't care about Daena. He doesn't

care about Ari.  He claims to care about his chimp, and then takes his

spaceship and leaves him behind.  Leo only cares about Leo, and I

didn't see any growth in that character in the whole movie.

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:02:53 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

The only ape that speaks any French is Zira when she is learning to communicate with Ulysse... Other than her, none of them speak it, and Ulysse is speaking THEIR language, they're not speaking his...

 

Now there's an idea . . .

Why not get Anthony Burgess to invent another

language for the non-French bits?  That would

be cool!

 

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:58:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

gorillas on the steps of the Whitehouse look more OLD SCHOOL.

Where was that?

I didn't see the Whitehouse in that shot.

You mean The Lincoln Memorial?

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 3:58:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

gorillas on the steps of the Whitehouse look more OLD SCHOOL.

Where was that?

I didn't see the Whitehouse in that shot.

You mean The Lincoln Memorial?

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 4:59:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Yeah - he secretly emails me adoring my writing! :)

 

It's no secret.  It's an interesting story.

Now if only it was as good as Neil's drawing . . .

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 4:59:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Yeah - he secretly emails me adoring my writing! :)

 

It's no secret.  It's an interesting story.

Now if only it was as good as Neil's drawing . . .

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Anyone remember that POTA opera based on Rigaletto?

I'd forgotten all about it until it popped up in the google news.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Well they certainly DID release a comic entitled MONKEY PLANET in 1990.
 
Anyone know about this?
 
It was released by ADVENTURE.


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In a message dated 11/6/2005 5:03:28 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Well they certainly DID release a comic entitled MONKEY PLANET in 1990.
 
Anyone know about this?
 
It was released by ADVENTURE.

Yeah, they did release such a title, but it was NOT an adaption of the Boulle book... All it was was a compilation of the first four ADVENTURE comics...

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I bought it in SYDNEY and I was SO excited because I struggled with MP a few times and always wanted to see it in GRAPHIC form.

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.html.html In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:42:19 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I wonder how Thade would have reacted to him.

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In a message dated 11/5/2005 7:24:00 P.M. Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

  My world is so small, what have you read on a fortune cookie that is better than this strip?

  Elaine

 

That was a joke Elaine.

   Yes, I know it was a joke. I am being sarcastic. Elaine

 

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It's funny you know - when we decided to do this strip we actually said "we'll just make it a throwaway story" ie something that takes "second place" to the "standard style" comics.  The idea was to really NOT place too much thought or effort on the story and to allow Neil an opportunity to "streamline" a style of drawing apes he could essentially "pump out".

 

That's partly why they are not inked too - to save time (but hey - they look bloody great in the pencilled style!).

 

But it seems Neil and I are really enjoying WITHIN - probably more than GOING HOME.  GOING HOME seems to be more of a chore - to respectfully "end" something we adored as kids, have grown up to see flawed, and balance fan opinions with what we WANT to do and what we KNOW we have to to to get published.

 

The reality is, as a publisher told us straight - we ain't gonna get a series of POTA stories based on the TV Show environment in print.  That's OK I guess but another genuine intention of this exercise is to get Neil published.  The only reason I am doing a good job (I think anyway) of writing these is because I am a fan and I've had 20 years to think about it!  I've also been in this group for a long time and felt the pulse of what fans want and because I watch a lot of movies and TV I have been able to come up with something that's OK.  While I do believe Neil is a magnificent artist, I have absolutely NO pretensions that I am anything but a part time writer.

 

I was shattered when we got to a point where we could no longer "make it work" with Dave Ballard because I do classify Dave as a GENUINE writer.  T, if you have not read Dave's fanfics you should not comment!  I also think you would like Myth's fan fic and a few others I have read.  I loved Kasey's TV Show story too and Elaine's offerings are always a breath of fresh air.

 

I'm just lazy, so if it ain't got pretty pictures I'm unlikely to read it!  I didn't even read much of BEWARE THE BEAST - Neil was happy so I thought "I'll read it when it's in comic form!".  I actually added a few bits to the story and I think I enhanced it well (what do those who have BTB in PRINT think???).

 

Chris Lawless is also working on a script.  But time is of the essence so we started these other projects while we await the completion of Chris' script.

 

So yeah - for a "throwaway" story that is not supposed to be that well written, I think WITHIN is pretty good!  :)

 

Michael

  I think you have  done a great job with the story, not an easy task. I am fascinated with the characters and the artwork. I agree that you would probably have more success getting Within published than Going Home. Elaine 

 

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 4:59:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Yeah - he secretly emails me adoring my writing! :)

 

It's no secret.  It's an interesting story.

Now if only it was as good as Neil's drawing . . .

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:42:19 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I wonder how Thade would have reacted to him.

While I never seen that pota2001 film, I do know that it's pretty obvious what that Thade character would have thought of the pirate Depp played: He would have hated him...

   I think that pirate character would have made a fool out of him. What a crossover, pota and Pirates of the Carribean.

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 4:52:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:42:19 PM Central Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:

I wonder how Thade would have reacted to him.

While I never seen that pota2001 film, I do know that it's pretty obvious what that Thade character would have thought of the pirate Depp played: He would have hated him...

   I think that pirate character would have made a fool out of him. What a crossover, pota and Pirates of the Carribean.

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Monkey Planet Comic

In a message dated 11/6/2005 6:35:22 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I bought it in SYDNEY and I was SO excited because I struggled with MP a few times and always wanted to see it in GRAPHIC form.

Tell your boys at MR Comics that you want to see it then... Tell them they can even take some liberties with the story if they need to...

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This interview with Ty T. certainly has relaxed any
fears I might have had about the "authenticity" of the
stories.......it sounds like they might tweak
situations a bit but anyone who loves Apes as much as
he seems to is ok by me!!

Tim

--- hill19652000 <shop@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Graham - I could not find it!
> >
> > Michael('s wife:-))
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of hill19652000
> > Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 4:50 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Mr comics
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Just spotted an interview with Ty Templeton on the
> new comic at
> > www.silverbulletcomics.com "social commentary on
> a simian world"
> > thought you all would find it interesting
> > Best Graham.
> >
>
>
> Whoops looks like I gave the wrong address. It
> should have been
> http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/ I'll learn to
> type one of
> these days:)
> Best Graham.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Mr comics

This interview with Ty T. certainly has relaxed any
fears I might have had about the "authenticity" of the
stories.......it sounds like they might tweak
situations a bit but anyone who loves Apes as much as
he seems to is ok by me!!

Tim

--- hill19652000 <shop@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty"
> <whitty@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Graham - I could not find it!
> >
> > Michael('s wife:-))
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of hill19652000
> > Sent: Monday, 7 November 2005 4:50 AM
> > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [PotaDG] Mr comics
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > Just spotted an interview with Ty Templeton on the
> new comic at
> > www.silverbulletcomics.com  "social commentary on
> a simian world"
> > thought you all would find it interesting
> > Best Graham.
> >
>
>
>  Whoops looks like I gave the wrong address. It
> should have been
> http://www.silverbulletcomicbooks.com/ I'll learn to
> type one of
> these days:)
> Best Graham.
>
>
>
>
>
>



     
           
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These are the stories I want to read before Taylor
comes in and screws everrything up......JUST apes and
there lives.....Z&C meeting....Zaius's and/or ursus'
rise to power....Lucius growing up.......etc.

Tim

>
> A pre-Taylor planet would be an interesting area to
> explore. Elaine
>
>

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Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 1:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Animated Apes

These are the stories I want to read before Taylor
comes in and screws everrything up......JUST apes and
there lives.....Z&C meeting....Zaius's and/or ursus'
rise to power....Lucius growing up.......etc.

Tim
>
> A pre-Taylor planet would be an interesting area to
> explore. Elaine

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Animated Apes

In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:57:13 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

....and where the giant claw in the museum came from!

Some ape artist sculpted that...

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.html.html In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:35:53 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

No way - it was the giant bird from RETURN!

Couldn't be, PLANET doesn't have that weird sh*t like the cartoon did... Besides, there would have to have been a flock of those things that lived, because PLANET is set in 3978 whereas RETURN is set in 3979... (The RETURN creature couldn't have died and became part of a museum piece before it existed in the cartoon...)<.html <.html

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 9:35:53 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

No way - it was the giant bird from RETURN!

Couldn't be, PLANET doesn't have that weird sh*t like the cartoon did... Besides, there would have to have been a flock of those things that lived, because PLANET is set in 3978 whereas RETURN is set in 3979... (The RETURN creature couldn't have died and became part of a museum piece before it existed in the cartoon...)

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.html.html In a message dated 11/4/2005 4:32:09 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I agree in many ways, however I could see a well planned trilogy involving:

(1) the first ape takeover that Cornelius describes at the dig site in PLANET

I think you really mean the apes takeover described in the interrogation in ESCAPE? Anyway,I don't know about this... The thought that this story would "launch" a trilogy seems very highly unlikely... I mean to get an audience interested in APES, you'd have to start them out in what will be the established territory, you really couldn't  start them out in prequel territory... Plus, the idea that you'd go thru 500 years of story to get to the final action (the revolt) seems doubtful. It seems that people want their "action" right away and don't want to have to set thru an actual story to get there... That type of thinking is why the TV series even started out showing Arno right off, they didn't think the audience would be able to set thru an act or two without seeing an ape. I am sure that type of thinking would still be around, especially in today's "explosion in the first 5 minutes" movie environment...

(2) a sequel to this set soon after where the humans try to fight back

Again, doubtful... Where it would be more action packed, therefore probably more exciting to the average movie goer today, I never thought of the humans trying to fight back after the revolt described by Cornelius (which would have been the revolt of the original timeline)... I always figured that yeah, the apes did revolt, but at the same time humans were becoming "lazier" (developing the same type of "cerebral laziness" described in Boulle's book) therefore allowing the apes to ease into control that much easier. That's not to say that there would not have been fighting between the species, there would have, but all this action type of stuff of which you're speaking seems like it would have been sprung from the sequel territory (CONQUEST/BATTLE) than the original concept.

(3) Hmmmm…..well……MAYBE a good remake of Planet to relaunch the main characters using new actors that can be used for the next trilogy…………

I'm still against remaking the first film, no matter how well done it might be... You'd be better off attempting another "re-imagination" than an straight remake... Take the events of the Boulle book and set them in the territory of the first film (horse and buggy civilization,) that way you'd be making Monkey Planet and your "remake" wouldn't be so much of an attempt to remake the best film...

 

Then another Trilogy where the first movie is:

 

(1)      explaining the events of ESCAPE briefly and picking up at the new comic (just after the CONQUEST revolution);

You mean flashbacks? They did those at the beginning of BATTLE (and poorly I might add...) Anyway, you'd have to do flashbacks of both ESCAPE and CONQUEST and to lead up to this new story you're speaking of...

(2)      explaining the events of BATTLE briefly and picking up about 3-5 years after BATTLE; and

This would be a pointless film I think... All it'd be is showing the apes and humans carving out a somewhat peaceful existance leading up to a time of peaceful living between the two species... "G" rated APES all the way on this one...

(3)      getting up to the time of the LAWGIVER in BATTLE and showing a struggle between the chimps, gorillas and orangs where the humans become the biggest losers and we are left wondering if 3955 may be very similar to the one we see in PLANET.

This would be more interesting, but still I'd be leary of it... I mean in the time of the BATTLE Lawgiver, it seems that apes and humans are getting along pretty well... It'd take quite a bit of changes to get from them all setting together to having humanity become the losing race...

As far as this whole "second trilogy" of your's, you'd be better off dropping the whole idea of using the sequels in them and start fresh... Go as far as using your "remade" PLANET as a launching pad for new stories set on a planet of apes and drop the whole going back in time thing... You never mentioned any type of a BENEATH retelling, so just forget that filmed ever happened and go from there...

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In a message dated 11/6/2005 8:57:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

....and where the giant claw in the museum came from!  :)

 

A mutant from Dead Lake.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Agreed.
>
> What we have is a fan who is an excellent writer.
>
> Great combination!
>
> Michael
>

We mustn't forget he's pretty good at drawing as well :)
( old fan of his Stig's Inferno from 20 odd years ago)
Best Graham.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:35 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Agreed.
> 
> What we have is a fan who is an excellent writer.
> 
> Great combination!
>
> Michael
>
    We mustn't forget he's pretty good at drawing as well :)
    ( old fan of his Stig's Inferno from 20 odd years ago)
    Best Graham.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 11/6/2005 5:03:28 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > Well they certainly DID release a comic entitled MONKEY PLANET

in 1990.

> Yeah, they did release such a title, but it was NOT an adaption of

the Boulle

> book... All it was was a compilation of the first four ADVENTURE

comics...

>

Michael nearly had me going then.I know I'm over 40 and the
memories going but still...
Best Graham.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hill19652000
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:40 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet Comic

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/6/2005 5:03:28 PM Central Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@d... writes:
>
> > Well they certainly DID release a comic entitled MONKEY PLANET
in 1990.



> Yeah, they did release such a title, but it was NOT an adaption of
the Boulle
> book... All it was was a compilation of the first four ADVENTURE
comics...
>



     Michael nearly had me going then.I know I'm over 40 and the
memories going but still...
Best Graham.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Yes but he isn't drawing for the POTA comics - well I don't think he

is...?

>
> Isn't Stig's Inferno great?
>

>

I thought he'd said some where he might be doing a back up? But
with my current memory ( see other post :) ) I could have dreamt
this. :)
It would be cool if they could get Mike Ploog to do some work
but I can't see him doing work for hire comics these days. Hope I'm
wrong...
Best Graham.

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of hill19652000
Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:54 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Mr comics

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Yes but he isn't drawing for the POTA comics - well I don't think he
is...?
> 
> Isn't Stig's Inferno great?
>

>
       I thought he'd said some where he might be doing a back up? But
with my current memory ( see other post :) ) I could have dreamt
this. :)
       It would be cool if they could get Mike Ploog to do some work
but I can't see him doing work for hire comics these days. Hope I'm
wrong...
Best Graham.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> At least you didn't pay for the awful thing!
>
> It is the first 4 stories from the silly story Adventure did (the

main one).

>

>

I probably wouldn't have remembered if I had :)
Best Graham.

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Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2005 8:58 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Monkey Planet Comic

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
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> At least you didn't pay for the awful thing!
> 
> It is the first 4 stories from the silly story Adventure did (the
main one).
>

>



       I probably wouldn't have remembered if I had :)
   Best Graham.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

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> I only remember because I was genuinely excited that I was finally

getting a

> graphic version of Boulle's novel!
>
> Michael

If Adventure had done a comic I would have, more than likely,
bought it even with their track record. ( never really a fan.I still
can't bring my self to read Ape Nation. ) Best Graham.