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In a message dated 11/28/2005 11:03:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Looks like Futurama...

 

That was the movie Zoidberg wanted to watch when they went to the movies.

They ended up going to All My Circuits The Movie instead, and Bender got

in a fight with the Champ of Robot Fighting.

 

 

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Last night I watched Escape. Now a couple of things struck me as I was watching it. When Dr. Dixon is asked to inject Zira with Sodium Pentothal (?) Cornelius is shocked and says something to the effect of - you can't do that, we only use those for killing. Now is he talking about killing humans with a lethal injection or is this another way that they executed their own ape criminals, as well as hanging them (for high treason etc.)

 

Also near the end why does Zira bother throwing the dead baby into the water? Surely the authorities will recover the body so what was she hoping to achieve?

And whilst on about the dead baby, surely once they had recovered the body they would have done a thorough autopsy on the thing and would have been able to prove it wasn't C & Zs baby?

 

Neil

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , ron kenner <brindlepit2002@y...> wrote:

> i dont think they could have recovered the body. i think it would

have sunk or have been eaten.

-- I think they could have and would have made every possible effort
to do so. I'm sure they could have got navy divers or something there
in a hurry. They knew exactly where the baby was thrown and there
didn't look to be any great tidal movement around the ship.

> as for autopsy...not sure how sophisticated that science was back

in 1973.

-- Sophisticated enough to solve murders etc! They wouldn't have had
all that DNA stuff but they would have been able to do blood tests and
other such stuff to find out if the baby was related to C & Z. They
sure wanted to give Milo Snr. a thorough autopsy.

Neil

ooops! My fault. Sorry


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> I think that's the SATTELITE site not the SISTER site mate!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On

Behalf

> Of luke_the_drifter52
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2005 2:15 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Latest Withinin Strip
>
> Hey guys
> Just wanted to comment on the newest Within strips!! Very awesome!
> Love the idea of making Milo a real active member on this strip. I
> think I may have an idea where this is going but I won't say

because

> one, I am proably wrong. And Two, if I am right, I don't want to

give

> any thing away.
> As always, the art work is excellent. I see the sister site has

the

> previous ones wraped up in pdf files. Will these be put in pdf

files

> as well?
> Keep up the great work guys!!!
> John
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

> I think that's the SATTELITE site not the SISTER site mate!

-- Oh BROTHER! Bloody picky Aussies. ;-)

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

>
> Oh NO!!!!
>
> What has happened to Garvon!??!?!?!! ;)

-- He got blam!ed

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "luke_the_drifter52"
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> ooops! My fault. Sorry

-- That's okay, now that you have said sorry you can come out of the
corner and rejoin the class. ;-)

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 9:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #27

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Oh NO!!!!
> 
> What has happened to Garvon!??!?!?!!  ;)

-- He got blam!ed

Neil

Call 'em rumours if you want......  :)  I have copied this to 3 groups but I can bet only 2 will get it!  :)

--------- Original Message --------
From: "Ty Templeton" <tybunny@...>
To: "Michael Whitty" <whitty@...>
Subject: Re: FW: Mr Comics still shipping next week?
Date: 30/11/05 21:20

Hey Michael.

Our issue is at the printers at the moment, and we've been warned that the turnaround is dicey on a seventh Dec release date (you must give the printers two weeks to turn around an issue, and we gave it to them a week ago, so we figure we're in the window, but we're told now, that three weeks is closer to the time they need, and they only have two and half weeks, etc. etc. blah blah blah.

Anyway....
We're hoping to make the shipping date, but if we don't, it will simply come out on the next available shipping date, which is a week or so later.  Nothing is particularly amiss, it's just basic publisher, shipper, schedule nonsense.  The first issue is done.

Ty

On 11/29/05, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Hello Ty

 

We have some rather anxious people awaiting word on this….could you please let me know if the release date has been changed?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Plonowski [ urko3085@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 30 November 2005 7:45 AM
To: Home Whitty; Work Whitty
Subject: Mr Comics still shipping next week?

 

Michael:

 

Hey. I just checked Diamond Comics shipping list page to make sure Revolution was on the list for next week and it's not. Thought you'd want to know so you can check with Ty to see what's up. we don't want to be telling people next week to go to their shops if the comics not going to be there.

 

Sorry I've been quiet of late. We were away for Thanksgiving and we're expecting houseguests this weekend so Debbie and I are busy cleaning and decorating for Christmas before they arrive.

 

Scored a new scanner on Black Friday and haven't even had time to unpack it yet!

 

Here's the link for the shipping lists: http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping.asp Check out the one for items expected to ship next week.

 

Greg

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Woo HOOO! I want to keep the DUNCE hat on as a reminder not to make
that mistake again though!!!


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> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
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> corner and rejoin the class. ;-)
>
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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:38 PM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Latest Withinin Strip

Woo HOOO! I want to keep the DUNCE hat on as a reminder not to make
that mistake again though!!!


In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "luke_the_drifter52"
> <JLKINSER1970@h...> wrote:
> > ooops! My fault. Sorry
>
> -- That's okay, now that you have said sorry you can come out of the
> corner and rejoin the class. ;-)
>
> Teacher

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Check this out . . .

Now Buton's going to direct Jim Carry in Ripley's Believe It Or Not.

I Don't BELIEEEEVE IT!

 

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Hi all.

I'm discussing a date with the guys at MR comics.

It is going to be late next week and late at night to accommodate Ty.

The participants will be taking questions on the group – unmoderated
and uninterrupted.

What's a good/bad night for you lot?

Michael

Friday or Saturday would probably be best for most, at least that's
my best nights.

Dan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
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> Hi all.
>
> I'm discussing a date with the guys at MR comics.
>
> It is going to be late next week and late at night to accommodate
Ty.
>
> The participants will be taking questions on the group –
unmoderated
> and uninterrupted.
>
> What's a good/bad night for you lot?
>
> Michael
>

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In a message dated 11/30/05 8:09:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hi all.

I'm discussing a date with the guys at MR comics.

It is going to be late next week and late at night to accommodate Ty.

The participants will be taking questions on the group – unmoderated
and uninterrupted.

What's a good/bad night for you lot?

Michael

hmmmm, good nights? For me Wed or Thurs.

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:19 AM
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It's a short installment this week. No letter column or other extras, just 10 more pages of the Escape adaptation and the cover.

 

Now you can use the extra bandwith you'll save on downloading this week's issue on some cyber-shopping for Christmas presents.

 

Greg

 

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Typical gorilla (shoot first, ask questions later!).  ;)

 That's why they are the protectors of simian society. Elaine

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Typical gorilla (shoot first, ask questions later!).  ;)

 That's why they are the protectors of simian society. Elaine

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Hi Guys and Gals --

I'm "kinda" back on the DG, but you can't guarantee it -- knowing me.

I finally got a scanner and I've left a little gift in the Photos
section inside "MTB Scans".

I've got THOUSANDS more of these at home and they'll go up when I have
a few seconds of life that isn't devoted to working or sleeping.

Much love to you all,

Mark T-B.

Thanks Greg.

 

Do you have burned out your old scanner?  :)

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:36 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 59

The old scanner is fine, but last Friday Staples had a bargain price on the next model up of the one I'm using now. I'm probably going to pass the old one to my brother or nephew.

 

Greg 

 

"Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...> wrote:

Thanks Greg.

 

Do you have burned out your old scanner?  :)

 

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Just let me know and I'll do everything I can to be there.

 

DR. ZAIUS DAVIS

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Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Chat with the MR COMICS TEAM.

Just let me know and I'll do everything I can to be there.

 

DR. ZAIUS DAVIS

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Will you be able to get Tom Fowler to attend?

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
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> Hi all.
>
> I'm discussing a date with the guys at MR comics.
>
> It is going to be late next week and late at night to accommodate Ty.
>
> The participants will be taking questions on the group - unmoderated
and
> uninterrupted.
>
> What's a good/bad night for you lot?
>
> Michael
>

That is really cool. What are the chances of you being able/willing
to put those in the files section where we could see better versions
of your photos? Thanks for sharing.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "sparkytb2005" <sparkytb@h...> wrote:
>
> Hi Guys and Gals --
>
> I'm "kinda" back on the DG, but you can't guarantee it -- knowing
me.
>
> I finally got a scanner and I've left a little gift in the Photos
> section inside "MTB Scans".
>
> I've got THOUSANDS more of these at home and they'll go up when I
have
> a few seconds of life that isn't devoted to working or sleeping.
>
> Much love to you all,
>
> Mark T-B.
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 1:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Chat with the MR COMICS TEAM.

Will you be able to get Tom Fowler to attend?






--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Hi all.
> 
> I'm discussing a date with the guys at MR comics.
> 
> It is going to be late next week and late at night to accommodate Ty.
> 
> The participants will be taking questions on the group - unmoderated
and
> uninterrupted.
> 
> What's a good/bad night for you lot?
>
> Michael
>

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Ok....this is freaky.... a friend saw one at the mall yesterday and called me.........

http://sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview/sku__WW258/hppos__13

Just in time for Christmas!

Tim

Ok....this is freaky.... a friend saw one at the mall yesterday and called me.........

http://sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview/sku__WW258/hppos__13

Just in time for Christmas!

Tim

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I have no idea why you are asking this because my email was down for
since this past weekend and I'm only now attempting to catch up on
all I've missed starting from the last post and working my way back.

But FYI, it is now 12:39 PM in EASTERN Canada, right NOW, if that
helps. (We cover a lot of land up here, so we have a few time
zones. ;)

(I'm assuming this is somehow related to MR comics since that is one
of the few Canadian ties to POTA, especially of late. Well that and
the title of the thread!)

Did I miss anything major in the last few days?

Dario

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> So what time is it in CANADA right now?!?!?!
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Is anyone here going to a mid-night showing?
 
Kasey/Undomiel  
 
--- "Dario" <darios@...> wrote:
 
From: "Dario" <darios@...>
Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:44:23 -0000
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Chat with the MR COMICS TEAM.

I have no idea why you are asking this because my email was down for
since this past weekend and I'm only now attempting to catch up on
all I've missed starting from the last post and working my way back.

But FYI, it is now 12:39 PM in EASTERN Canada, right NOW, if that
helps. (We cover a lot of land up here, so we have a few time
zones.  ;)

(I'm assuming this is somehow related to MR comics since that is one
of the few Canadian ties to POTA, especially of late. Well that and
the title of the thread!)

Did I miss anything major in the last few days?

Dario

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael"
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> So what time is it in CANADA right now?!?!?!
>
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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:45:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

Ok....this is freaky....

 

Yeah, I saw the video online.

There are more robots at the Tokyo Expo,

including Actroid Repilee Q1...

 

I4U News - Actroid Robot in Booth Babe Outfit

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I saw it today...not as cool as I was expecting but
still freaky....would make a wild conversation piece
altho the hooting might get neighbors annoyed.....

Tim

--- ron kenner <brindlepit2002@...> wrote:

> awesome and amazing.
> my dogs would love this.
>
> Tim <apefan23@...> wrote:
> Ok....this is freaky.... a friend saw one at the
> mall yesterday and called me.........
>
>

http://sharperimage.com/us/en/catalog/productview/sku__WW258/hppos__13

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I'd much rather have her standing in my living room
than the freaky chimp head!

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

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> In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:45:43 A.M. Central
> Standard Time,
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Ok....this is freaky....
>
>
>
> Yeah, I saw the video online.
> There are more robots at the Tokyo Expo,
> including Actroid Repilee Q1...
>
> _I4U News - Actroid Robot in Booth Babe Outfit_
> (http://www.i4u.com/article4682.html
>

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Chris Hight
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:16 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Within the Planet of the Apes strip #29

This story and art is too good to be given away. Mike and Neil thx for your hard work and effort. I'd kill to have a comic like this to read at night. 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Alive" Chimp

I'd much rather have her standing in my living room
than the freaky chimp head!

Tim

--- LordTZer0@... wrote:

> 
> In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:45:43 A.M. Central
> Standard Time, 
> apefan23@... writes:
>
> Ok....this is freaky....
>
>
> 
> Yeah, I saw the video online.
> There are more robots at the Tokyo Expo,
> including Actroid Repilee Q1...
> 
> _I4U News - Actroid Robot in  Booth Babe Outfit_
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I .......can't say....being a family forum
here......ahem

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> What would you do with her Tim? ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> "apefan"
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Alive" Chimp
>
>
> I'd much rather have her standing in my living room
> than the freaky chimp head!
>
> Tim
>
> --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> >
> > In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:45:43 A.M. Central
> > Standard Time,
> > apefan23@... writes:
> >
> > Ok....this is freaky....
> >
> >
> >
> > Yeah, I saw the video online.
> > There are more robots at the Tokyo Expo,
> > including Actroid Repilee Q1...
> >
> > _I4U News - Actroid Robot in Booth Babe Outfit_
> > ( http://www.i4u.com/article4682.html
> <http://www.i4u.com/article4682.html>
>
>
>
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this....
Can anyone tell me if this from Mexico or Spain or
South America or....?

I will also be putting some new foreign posters in the
Photo section soon!
Tim




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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:00 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] "Alive" Chimp

I .......can't say....being a family forum
here......ahem

--- "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@...>
wrote:

> What would you do with her Tim?  ;)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim
> "apefan"
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:21 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] "Alive" Chimp
>
>
> I'd much rather have her standing in my living room
> than the freaky chimp head!
>
> Tim
>
> --- LordTZer0@... wrote:
>
> > 
> > In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:45:43 A.M. Central
> > Standard Time, 
> > apefan23@... writes:
> >
> > Ok....this is freaky....
> >
> >
> > 
> > Yeah, I saw the video online.
> > There are more robots at the Tokyo Expo,
> > including Actroid Repilee Q1...
> > 
> > _I4U News - Actroid Robot in  Booth Babe Outfit_
> > ( http://www.i4u.com/article4682.html
> <http://www.i4u.com/article4682.html>  

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 12:06 PM
To: POTA DG
Subject: [PotaDG] Mexican Beneath comic??

I was sorting through some pics I have saved and found
this....
Can anyone tell me if this from Mexico or Spain or
South America or....?

I will also be putting some new foreign posters in the
Photo section soon!
Tim

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/23/2005 6:13:45 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
>
> A year later, when Zira, Taylor, and Cornelius flee into the
> Forbidden Zone, Zaius has to follow after them. How does he know
> which way to go? He hadn't been to the Cave before (else he

would've already blown it up

>
>
>
> Zaius probably thought he would just wander around in the wasteland.

Who's "he"? Cornelius? Zaius is after a group consisting of 3 apes
(Cornelius, Zira, and Lucius) and 2 humans (Taylor and Nova). Don't
you mean "they" would just wander around in the wasteland?

> And Zaius also must have know about the cave. Or else why cancel
> his travel permit when he exceeded his orders? How would he know
> he exceeded his orders if Zaius didn't have the army spying on him?
> Remember what Zaius said . . .
> "It wasn't difficult. Only an apostate would flee to the Forbidden

Zone."

My point is that the Forbidden Zone is a BIIIIIG place. If Zaius had
known exactly where Cornelius' Cave site was located, he could easily
have had a gorilla on horseback gallop as fast as possible to that
location and 'head-them-off-at-the-pass' -- get there BEFORE they
arrive. After the fugitives get to the Cave, there's no indication
that Cornelius has any worries about being found -- and he must
surely have expected Zaius to make the attempt to capture them (and
to recapture Taylor).

I think that there's sufficient evidence to conclude that Zaius did
know that Cornelius worked at a 'dig' site SOMEWHERE in the Forbidden
Zone -- where Cornelius had found artifacts that were eventually
shown to Zaius, who had dismissed them as "worthless" -- but there is
not sufficient evidence to warrant the conclusion that Zaius knew the
actual location of that Cave site.

Cornelius didn't expect Zaius to show up on their heels -- and during
their rather leisurely journey to the site, they didn't seem to be in
a great hurry, as if they were afraid of being apprehended by Zaius'
forces in hot pursuit.

I think Zaius had Cornelius' Travel Permit cancelled because he found
out that Cornelius had travelled beyond the allowed boundaries of
Apedom -- having gone into the Forbidden Zone. How did Zaius find out
about that? Perhaps, after seeing the artifacts Cornelius BROUGHT
BACK to Ape City, Zaius reasoned that Cornelius could ONLY have dug
those items up in the Forbidden Zone.

When do we (the audience) first become aware of the fact that
Cornelius had worked at an archaological site IN the Forbidden Zone?
When Zira >hush-hush< tells Taylor about it, during the Q&A session
they have when Taylor's still mute.

Did Zaius know beyond any doubt THEN that Cornelius had actually been
in the Forbidden Zone? Did he know that Cornelius had an
archaological site somewhere in the Zone -- beyond ANY doubt?

We don't really know. All we know is that Cornelius had shown some
artifacts to him -- "I've seen some of your artifacts... they're
worthless!" But we DON'T know whether or not Cornelius told him
EXACTLY WHERE he found those artifacts. If he had, then Zaius
would've probably had the Cave site destroyed, just to keep posterity
safely ignorant. I would guess that Cornelius -- knowing that
journeying into the Zone was illegal -- would feign that he had dug
those artifacts up somewhere else, protecting both his site (the
Cave) and his own ass from Ape Jail.

The Quota System may have been abolished -- there may have been some
strides made in Simian Equality -- but the State is still controlled
to the greater extent by the conservative Orangutans. Cornelius may
have felt safe presenting his theory of Evolution without being put
to death for heresy... until just such a thing was suggested, no
doubt by the ultra-conservative blowhards at the Academy who had
shouted it down for the 'heresy' it was. And Cornelius learned to
shut the f*** up: showing backbone, he realized, was a dangerous
thing to do.

I think Zaius suspected that Cornelius got his artifacts from a site
in the Forbidden Zone... but he didn't have any incontrovertible
proof of it. The existence of those unexplainable yet 'worthless'
artifacts was proof enough to him -- as Guardian of the Terrible
Secret -- that Cornelius had been to the Zone... but Zaius wasn't
about to expose Cornelius' taboo-breaking to the Academy. Why not?
Because then he'd have to back up his allegations against Cornelius
by addressing the ARTIFACTS that had led him to his conclusions, and
the LAST thing Zaius wants to do is have such items come to the
awareness of other apes. Zaius had the authority to cancel Cornelius'
Travel Permit -- and what was Cornelius to do? Protest it? Cornelius
wasn't about to contest it, since HE knew he'd gone beyond the legal
bounds, and didn't want anybody other than friends like Milo to know
he'd broken the law. Since he can't travel anymore, he can't get to
his Cave site again, and he doesn't dare admit it exists. He's
certainly not going to tell Zaius where the Cave is -- since Zaius
had looked at his artifacts and dismissed 'em as "worthless". He may
not be brave, but he ain't stupid. And he lost his naivete when the
Academy (or, half of it, anyway) went gonzo on him. He KNOWS that
they won't believe the evidence of his artifacts against the 'truth'
of the Sacred Scrolls.

And THAT is why, I think, the President of the Academy himself, and
all the rest of the Academy, remained ignorant of the fact that
Cornelius had actually worked at an archaological site in the
Forbidden Zone: Only Cornelius, Zira, probably Milo, and some other
loyal followers would've known beyond a doubt of it... and Zaius,
seeing those artifacts that had been brought back to Ape City,
would've SUSPECTED it. That alone would've been enough for Zaius to
issue the order to cancel Cornelius' Travel Permit.

I'll say it again: If Zaius had known the exact location of
Cornelius' site in the Forbidden Zone -- the Cave -- prior to the
ending scenes of "PLANET", he would've been compelled to have that
site destroyed sooner rather than later. The only reason it's still
there, intact, for Cornelius (et al.) to go BACK to, at the end
of "PLANET", is because Zaius hadn't known its location.

He needed to track them there. Follow them. And, I think, the
occasional piles of literal horseshit left behind by the horses would
be the clues along the way that the gorilla band (led by Zaius) would
follow. Imagine a gorilla having his own horse sniff the manure pile
and say to his horse: "Hey, boy... take a whiff of this... now...
let's go find 'em, Trigger!"

Hey, if a hound-dog's nose can be used to track a scent, then why not
a horse's nose? Especially tracking other horses' scents?

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , PofTAfan@a... wrote:

>
> Or could it be that maybe some members of the Academy might have

been spies for Dr. Zaius and could have been watching the scientist
like Zira, Cornelius and Dr. Galen. If Cornelius had a DECOY SITE to
try to keep it secret from Dr. Zaius and the Council it was not a
secret if he took members from the Academy and some of them might
have been loyal to the council and Dr. Zaius.

*** I don't see any evidence for Cornelius having been accompanied by
any other member of the Academy to his Cave site.

Remember, it's a CRIME for him to travel ANYWHERE in the Forbidden
Zone. If he HAD gone into the Zone with a fellow member of the
Academy, it would've had to have been an ape who, like him, was not
above violating the Lawgiver-given law against it. Cornelius would
not have had anybody along with him UNLESS he trusted him/them to
keep the whole business a SECRET.

I think it's proven (as far as it can be) that NOBODY in the Academy
knew that Cornelius had travelled into the Forbidden Zone --
excepting Zaius, who SUSPECTED he had. If ANYBODY in the Academy had
known of such a trip and then ratted him out, then the President of
the Academy would've been aware of this forbidden traveling... yet
the President of the Academy reacts with astonishment to learn during
the Tribunal that Cornelius had been to the Forbidden Zone. It isn't
until that Tribunal that Cornelius PUBLICLY admits to having violated
that law: "He's described the region to us and described it
accurately, for... I have been there..." -- "YOU visited the
Forbidden Zone?!" etc

Nobody in the Academy could've known of this without the President of
the Academy also knowing -- but he didn't. Zaius SUSPECTED it, based
on those artifacts that Cornelius had shown to him, and this was
enough to compel him to cancel the Travel Permit, to prevent FURTHER
findings of artifacts. Zaius could confiscate those "worthless"
artifacts and be sure that no more would be found to upset the apple
cart, since Cornelius can't travel anymore WITHOUT HIS SUPPORT.

That's my take on it, anyway. Thanks for chimin' in!

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:

>
>
> In a message dated 11/28/2005 3:30:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
> T are you calling Patrick crazy?
>
>
> No, not at all.
> I'm just saying that theory of his is crazy.
> As far as getting away with it. I only referenced
> it as an example of theories with no basis in the
> POTA canon. If someone wants to put forth a
> theory that's fine. But they should be able to
> defend that theory with "facts" that are debatable.
> Rather than just making up a bunch of stuff and
> saying "Here's what I think happened." Why?
> What makes them think that? I could make up
> anything to explain stuff away. But give me a
> line of dialogue or something where I can say,
> yes I agree, or no I don't. It's like when Taylor
> explained what the artifacts where. Then Zaius
> say he could come up with alternate explanations
> that were just as ingenious as his. But then he
> says it would be conjecture, not proof. That's
> all I'm saying. I don't go in for fad theories.
> Give me something solid you've built this
> "theory" on if you want me to read an overly
> long post. Life is to short to read BS theories.
> I barely have time to read and ponder concise
> logical theories. No time for Mutha-Ships.

*** As far as I'm concerned, any POTA-fan's own theories regarding
explaining the conundrums in the 5-film/14-episode saga should have
to answer certain basic questions:

1) Why does Taylor's ship -- and Brent's ship -- AND the gull-wing
hatch ANSA ship found by Milo -- wind up back at Earth? Taylor's ship
had been heading out to a destination 320 lightyears away, and Taylor
didn't go into Deep Sleep until a third of the way there -- when they
were already over 100 lightyears away from Earth! How did they get
back to Earth?

2) Why does Taylor assume that they made it to their destination? He
seems pretty damned sure of it -- he barks at Landon TWICE that
they've gone to a spacetime coordinate roughly 2000 EARTH-TIME years
later and 320 lightyears distant from Earth. Why, despite the fact
that he's wrong, does he seem so damned sure of his conclusion?

3) Why would the President say that the gull-wing hatch ANSA ship --
which CANNOT be the same ship we saw in "PLANET" -- is Taylor's? How
can BOTH the ship that lost ALL its power and SANK into Dead Lake AND
the ship Milo found (which MUST HAVE HAD POWER) both be referred to
as "the one commanded by Colonel Taylor"?

T, you can call my Mutha-ship theory "crazy" all you want, but it has
the virtue of explaining all the above questions and many many more.

1) Taylor's ship goes back to Earth because somebody had activated
the same gizmo that sent Virdon's ship back to Earth: an AUTOMATIC
HOMING DEVICE, also called an "Emergency Homing Device". Since
Taylor, Dodge, and Landon were asleep and Stewart was either asleep
or dead, NONE OF THEM were awake to press such a button... so,
somebody else -- some ANSA personnel other than those four persons --
would've had to have been part of Taylor's mission to Orion. That
necessitates a BIGGER SHIP, where there's room for all the "cargo"
that Taylor refers to which we never see in "PLANET" in that ship-set.

2) Taylor assumes that they arrived at their destination -- despite
the fact that he hadn't had time to "read the tapes" -- for one
reason only: HE SAW THE EARTH-TIME READING on the clocks: 11-25-3978.
He must've known, prior to lift-off from Cape Kennedy, that when they
arrived at their destination 320 lightyears away, they should EXPECT
that Earth-Time has clicked forward from 1-15-1972 to 11-25-3978.
Based on seeing that very date on the Earth-Time clock, Taylor
assumes they indeed not only made it to their destination (which, in
my scenario, they did), but that they are THERE STILL (which, in my
scenario, they aren't, due to the Automatic Homing Device on their
Mothership having zipped 'em back to Earth, but with the Navigational
Computer of the SHUTTLECRAFT the four in "PLANET" are in somehow not
registering the CHANGE in Earth-Time that actually occurs). After the
Mothership and its THREE attached shuttles go back to Earth, the
Earth-Time clocks on ALL the ships -- EXCEPTING Taylor's shuttle --
readjust to tell the correct Earth-Time date, which is in the year
3955: they had not only zipped back to Earth from their destination,
but they also travelled back through Time (EARTH-TIME) some 23 years.
When Brent, who's a part of this Orion mission, sees the Earth-Time
reading "3955" he assumes they're on an alien planet SHORT of their
destination, since his clock doesn't read "3978" -- "I don't know
what planet we're on..." he tells his Skipper. If Brent had seen the
date "3978" on the clock, he would've assumed (incorrectly, just as
Taylor had done) that they were on the Destination Planet, 320
lightyears away from Earth.

3) The President calls Milo's ship "the one commanded by Colonel
Taylor" because, at the time, only TWO missions had been sent out by
ANSA: the Centauri Mission (commanded by Alan Virdon) and the Orion
Mission (commanded by Taylor). The Milo ship looks a hell of a lot
like Virdon's ship, but it is actually (according to my scenario) the
3rd of 3 shuttlecraft attached to the ANSA Mothership sent out to
Orion. The President differentiates it from the ONLY OTHER mission
that ANSA had sent out. The only way I can *know* that the other
mission was Virdon's to Alpha Centauri is because if Virdon's ship
had left Earth AFTER the arrival of the Ape-onauts, then he should've
EXPECTED to find talking apes when he and Burke found themselves back
on Earth in the 31st Century. They never make any mention of a prior
awareness of the Talking Apes from the Future during the TV show.
They didn't know about Zira, Cornelius & Milo because their ship was
in Outer Space BEFORE that shuttlecraft splashed down in Sector Alpha
Charlie. Thus, Virdon's single-shipped mission to Alpha Centauri was
ONE of the TWO missions that ANSA sent out, and the mission sent out
to an unnamed planet orbiting a star 320 lightyears away in Orion
(commanded by Taylor) was the SECOND and ONLY OTHER mission. Maybe
ANSA sent out other missions AFTER the events of "ESCAPE", but if so,
those astronauts would've been aware of Talking Apes from the Future.

My scenario may be intricate -- which it has to be, to explain all
the extraneous details in the movies and TV show -- but it ain't
crazy. If you're gonna CALL it crazy, at least back up your assertion
with some facts demonstrating it to be so. You don't have to like my
scenario, or agree with it, but if you're gonna just label
it "crazy", well, the onus is on you to point out what makes it a
crazy theory. Quantum Theory sure as hell seems crazy to a lot of
people (it did to the geniuses who theorized it in the first place),
but it has the virtue of explaining the evidence, which is why it is
considered Science and not just a wacked-out theory. My scenario
explains the 'evidence' in the POTA films & TV show. I think it does
so better than any other 'theory' put out there by any other fellow
POTA fan. I may disagree (at times vehemently) with some other fan's
rival theory, but I do so based on a point-by-point evaluation of the
evidence presented in the films and TV episodes. I don't just
say "your theory's crazy" and let it go at that. That's merely an
insult. Maybe you don't mean to be insulting towards me when you call
my scenario "crazy", but I find it difficult to take it any other way.

Peace,

Patrick

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> Last night I watched Escape. Now a couple of things struck me as I

was watching it. When Dr. Dixon is asked to inject Zira with Sodium
Pentothal (?) Cornelius is shocked and says something to the effect
of - you can't do that, we only use those for killing. Now is he
talking about killing humans with a lethal injection or is this
another way that they executed their own ape criminals, as well as
hanging them (for high treason etc.)

*** I think that this MAY be a clue as to the manner in which Landon
ultimately lost his life. Consider:
Cornelius and Zira discovered that Dodge had been killed in the hunt
when Taylor wrote/told them about it. He'd also written/asked: "What
happened to Landon?" and Zira shrugs, "I don't know."

When, at the Tribunal, Zaius tells the Court that the surviving
humans had been gathered together, they go out to take a look at 'em.
This is the first time that Zira and Cornelius actually SEE this
Landon fellow that Taylor had mentioned in writing.

And they see that he'd been lobotomized. Zira practically begs Taylor
to believe that she'd never seen him before then -- he DID ask
her: "Did you KNOW about this?!" When he takes her word for it, he
looks up at Zaius and says, "YOU did it... You cut up his BRAIN, you
bloody baboon!"

After Landon is herded into the cart, we never see him again. The
next we HEAR about him is when Cornelius tells Brent that if it were
not for Zira, Taylor would still be in Ape City -- as a STUFFED
SPECIMEN in the Great Hall of the Zaius Museum... WITH HIS TWO
FRIENDS.

Sometime in-between "PLANET" and "BENEATH" Landon dies and is stuffed
and propped up as an exhibit in the Museum, perhaps right next to
Dodge, whom Taylor had already seen, to his shock and horror.

How does Landon die? He survived a prefrontal lobotomy -- by the time
Taylor sees him in the amphitheater, he's healed up from the vet
surgery. How does he die?

Perhaps... perhaps Cornelius or Zira or both of 'em together use a
hypodermic syringe filled with a lethal dose of anaesthetic...
and "put him down", in effect doing to him what the big Indian did to
Jack Nicholson's character in "ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO'S NEST" -- a
mercy-killing, after the lobotomy victim's humanity had been taken
away from him.

IF they had mercy-killed Landon, did they do this, perhaps, on behalf
of Taylor? Might he not have told them, during their trip out to the
Forbidden Zone & Cave, "If you ever get back to Ape City... will you
do me a favor? Landon... well, I never really liked him all that
much... but he was one of my countrymen... a colleague... I was his
commanding officer. I was responsible for him. The thought of him
spending the rest of his days as... as a vegetable... I just can't
bear the thought. If you get back to Ape City... will you...
please... put him out of his misery?"

Taylor knows that Landon claimed to have been "prepared to die"...
but had Landon been prepared for the "living death" that Zaius
subjected him to? I think it likely that Taylor would've asked that
favor of Zira and Cornelius... and they would've done what he asked,
when the opportunity arose, prior to Brent's arrival. Zaius might not
have been ashamed of what he had had his "fine veterinary surgeon" do
to Landon... but it was obvious that Cornelius and Zira were ashamed
that it had been done. I can see them putting Landon 'down', the way
we put down animals at the Pound, especially if they're on their last
legs. They would've done it for Taylor's sake, and because it was the
only dignified thing they could do.

And, I think, they would've used a hypodermic syringe filled with an
overdose of anaesthetic, the 'regular' procedure to 'put down' a
wounded animal...

>
> Also near the end why does Zira bother throwing the dead baby into

the water? Surely the authorities will recover the body so what was
she hoping to achieve?

> And whilst on about the dead baby, surely once they had recovered

the body they would have done a thorough autopsy on the thing and
would have been able to prove it wasn't C & Zs baby?

>
> Neil
>

*** The water in which Zira tossed baby Salome was also full of spilt
oil, remember. Zira asks, "Is that what Man wanted oil for? To kill
fish?!" By the time somebody arrived to fish that dead chimp out of
the water (and the dead Dr. Hasslein, too), all the baby chimp's
blood might very well have been drained from the body. The baby had
been shot by Hasslein by more than one bullet. The blood from those
gaping wounds would not just clot up all of a sudden, and by being
kicked into the water, the liquid blood would probably leech out into
the oil-polluted water. There might not have been any blood left to
do a blood test on.

We should get CSI: LOS ANGELES to take up the case...

Patrick

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:19:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

I saw it today...not as cool as I was expecting but still freaky....

 

Yeah but for the price it's not bad.

Now I wonder how much Apemania

would charge to retrofit it with POTA

characters?

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 6:33:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I'd much rather have her standing in my living room
than the freaky chimp head!

 

She's way better than Abe Lincoln in Disney's Hall of the Presidents!

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:10:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Did Zaius know beyond any doubt THEN that Cornelius had actually been
in the Forbidden Zone? Did he know that Cornelius had an
archaological site somewhere in the Zone -- beyond ANY doubt?

We don't really know.

 

Yes we do.  Here's my evidence.  Pardon any misquotes, but . . .

From memory?

 

President: "You visited the Forbidden Zone?"

 

Cornelius: "Yes sir . . . uh with the special permission of the Academy."

 

Dr. Zaius: "He exceeded his orders!  His travel permit was canceled immediately."

 

Cornelius: "That's true, thanks to you.  But not before discovering . . ." etc.

 

So, Zaius DID know beyond a doubt that Cornelius WAS in the Zone.

And since he can't call him on a cell phone to tell him he is canceling

his permit from the Academy, he had to send someone to do it.  And

that someone is probably the same soldiers he sent to keep an eye

on him in the first place.  How else did he know he had exceeded his

orders?  Maybe they didn't know the exact location of the Cave, since

their maps were crude at best.  But he did know there was probably

evidence that humans had been in charge first, since he had "always

known about Man."  Which is why he'd been keeping tabs on him in

the first place.  That Zone is Forbidden for just that reason.  And he

didn't want Cornelius getting too close.  QED  Now you've got me

writing overly long minutely detailed posts.  It must be contagious!

Anyway, my point was that he wouldn't have needed the Special
Permission of the Academy if he wasn't going into the Forbidden

Zone.  And Zaius being the Minister for Science knew all about it.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:10:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Cornelius didn't expect Zaius to show up on their heels -- and during
their rather leisurely journey to the site, they didn't seem to be in
a great hurry, as if they were afraid of being apprehended by Zaius'
forces in hot pursuit.

 

Maybe, but they had to know it wouldn't be long.  Zaius only gave

Taylor until the morning to make a confession, before using surgery

to obtain one.  In any case, Julius would have been found when the

shift changed.  Since Taylor was shaving in camp, that was likely

the morning after reaching the beach.  And it's from this we can

deduce that since fugitive syndrome had set in, and there was

the risk of being caught at any time, that the couples were no

doubt, getting BIZZZAY the night before, and that Lucius was

left out in the cold like the proverbial third wheel that he was.

 

QED

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:34:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Remember, it's a CRIME for him to travel ANYWHERE in the Forbidden
Zone. If he HAD gone into the Zone with a fellow member of the
Academy, it would've had to have been an ape who, like him, was not
above violating the Lawgiver-given law against it.

 

I'll say it one more time.

 

SPECIAL PERMISSION

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:34:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

I think it's proven (as far as it can be) that NOBODY in the Academy
knew that Cornelius had travelled into the Forbidden Zone --

 

I think I've proven, for the upteenth time,

That the Academy gave him Special Permission!

 

"You visited the Forbidden Zone!?!"

 

"Yes . . . With the SPECIAL PERMISSION of The Academy."

 

As many time as the collective membership has seen this

movie you guys should be able to recite this scene line

for line, without even looking at the script.  I dare say

I could play all the parts without a prompt from the

script-girl.  If you can't play this scene in your head

by now, maybe you should watch it one more time.

And, now that were in the 21st Century, and DVDs

have Random Access capability, you can skip right

to the court room scene.  I just can't believe that

anyone in this group, especially Patrick, didn't

remember that line.  Pat you must be so busy

thinking yourself in circles, God luv ya, that

it completely slipped your mind.  Makes me

wonder how many holes are in your other

theories.  Unforgivable for someone as

meticulous as yourself.  You must type

faster than you can think, I think.

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:34:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

"He's described the region to us and described it
accurately, for... I have been there..." -- "YOU visited the
Forbidden Zone?!" etc

Okay . . . now just finish the next line . . .

 

Say it with me now . . .

 

"With the SPECIAL PERMISSION of The ACADEMY".

I hope I don't have to wait a week for you to type your

reply on this one.  Not that I want to see you Eat Crow.

I just never get tired of your metal gymnastics and your

convoluted sentence structure.  According to my spell

checker you have some typos BTW.  Pretty sloppy. ; )

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:34:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Nobody in the Academy could've known of this without the President of
the Academy also knowing -- but he didn't.

 

Then who gave him the Special Permission?

Probably the same guy who canceled it.

Zaius!  And I don't think he stood at the

edge of the Zone and shouted it really

loud.  He sent the guys he had spying

on him.  How else did he know he'd

gone to far.  I'm also certain he knew

those artifacts were far from worthless.

But he had to discourage him some

how.  And how better to do that than

having no less than the Minister of

Science tell him his work is crap?

Now doubt the reason that the

President didn't know is that he,

like the heads of most

bureaucracies, was out of

touch with what was going

on.  Zauis probably kept him

in the dark on purpose, for the

sake of plausible deniability.

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:34:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

since Cornelius can't travel anymore WITHOUT HIS SUPPORT.

 

That's why he's such a suck-up wuss.

 

"It will require my support, of course."

 

"I hope I may count on it, Sir."

 

"A bit of advice.  Be sure in your search for

artifact you don't BURY you reputation."

 

Zaius had shot him down once before.

Like the saying goes, Once bitten, Twice shy.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:05:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I never saw it – anyone?

 

On eBay, or in the movie?

 

I think the Command Center Apes wore them.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:04:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Taylor
didn't go into Deep Sleep until a third of the way there -- when they
were already over 100 lightyears away from Earth! How did they get
back to Earth?

 

They didn't.  They all died,

(imitating the announcer from Return POTA cartoon) 

on the Planet of the Apes . . . !

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:04:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

2) Why does Taylor assume that they made it to their destination? He
seems pretty damned sure of it -- he barks at Landon TWICE that
they've gone to a spacetime coordinate roughly 2000 EARTH-TIME years
later and 320 lightyears distant from Earth. Why, despite the fact
that he's wrong, does he seem so damned sure of his conclusion?

 

Because his destination is not a Where, but a When.

It's a One-Way Mission to prove Hasslein's theory

about time travel.  At 240 LY, Bellatrix it too close.

And at 430 LY, Betelgeuse is too far.  And Rigel

is way too far at 775 LY.  Cursa is way to close

at 89 LY.  the three belt stars as well as Meissa

are way way out there at 1500 LY.  Those are the

major stars in Orion.  There are more, about 80

more.  If you want to check those . . . be my guest.

 

HD141569 is 320 (250 AU) but lies in Libra.

 

Conclusion? . . . POTA's astronomy is crap.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:04:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

3) Why would the President say that the gull-wing hatch ANSA ship --
which CANNOT be the same ship we saw in "PLANET" -- is Taylor's? How
can BOTH the ship that lost ALL its power and SANK into Dead Lake AND
the ship Milo found (which MUST HAVE HAD POWER) both be referred to
as "the one commanded by Colonel Taylor"?

 

Because . . .

repeat after me . . .

 

It's only a movie.

 

It's only a movie.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:04:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

My scenario may be intricate -- which it has to be, to explain all
the extraneous details in the movies and TV show -- but it ain't
crazy. If you're gonna CALL it crazy, at least back up your assertion
with some facts demonstrating it to be so. 

don't just say "your theory's crazy" and let it go at that.

 

POTA is a fiction.  A fiction based on a fiction, with several

fictional sequels.  And . . . it's full of more plot holes than a

Swiss cheese.  True, your theory would cover most of them. 

But the Little Dutch Boy with all his fingers and toes couldn't

plug them all.  I apologize for saying your theory is crazy.

But I "think" you'd have to be "crazy" to "think" that much

about a "crazy" theory like that one.  Call me "crazy", but

I would be, if I had to think up a theory to fill in all those holes.

I'm glad someone here has the time and energy to work all

this stuff out, 'cause personally, it would drive me "nuts". 

I don't even have the time to read your theory thoroughly.

Much less see if it all checks out.  I'll take your word for

it.  But I'd venture to say that if Pierre Boulle, Rod Serling,

Michael Wilson and Paul Dehn were all alive, and you

could get them in the same room, and you explained

your theory to them, they might look at you like you

were "crazy".

 

"I didn't not call her mad.  I merely asked her if she was."

  ~~~Sal Mineo as Dr. Milo in Escape From the POTA~~~~

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/2/2005 2:11:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Go find it – or are you going to let Patrick find it?! !?!?!  ;)

 

Ouch!  Well I guess I have to now . . .

 

 

Well, I did . . .

And yup, they are.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 9:27:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Perhaps... perhaps Cornelius or Zira or both of 'em together use a
hypodermic syringe filled with a lethal dose of anaesthetic...

 

Or just filled with air would do it.

 

 

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In a message dated 12/2/2005 8:59:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Anyone ever pondered what is going on here?  Is this chimp about to be executed?

 

They are hanging Cornelius for Treason.

 

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In a message dated 12/1/2005 8:10:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Zaius, who had dismissed them as "worthless" -- but there is
not sufficient evidence to warrant the conclusion that Zaius knew the
actual location of that Cave site.

 

That was just Zaius' floccinaucinihilipilification.

I just had to use that word at least once in my life.

 

 

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T, I think you and I interpret the dialogue from "PLANET" in
different ways. For the sake of this discussion, here's the verbatim
dialogue from the Tribunal scene:

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CORNELIUS "May it please the Tribunal... I, for one, grant you that
this creature cannot have come from another planet, but this much is
certain: He does come from somewhere in the Forbidden Zone. He's
described the region to us and described it accurately, for... I have
been there."

PRESIDENT OF THE ACADEMY "You visited the Forbidden Zone?!"

CORNELIUS "Yes, sir. Uh, a year ago -- with the special permission of
the Academy."

ZAIUS "He exceeded his orders. His travel permit was cancelled
immediately."

CORNELIUS "Yes, sir, that is true. Thanks to you. But... not before I
discovered evidence of a simian culture that existed long before the
Sacred Scrolls were written."

HONORIUS "Objection! These remarks are profane and irrelevant!"

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At first glance, it appears that Cornelius is saying that he received
from the Academy the "special permission" to travel into the
Forbidden Zone a year earlier in order to do archaeological work.

I'm not so sure that that is what this line means. Why? Because Zaius
goes out of his way to say that Cornelius "exceeded his orders". He
went "out of bounds" in some way.

We know from elsewhere in "PLANET" that the region is called the
Forbidden Zone because "the greatest Ape of all" -- their Lawgiver --
had pronounced "THIS WHOLE AREA" to be "deadly". Here's the dialogue
from that later scene:

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TAYLOR "Cornelius? Where does this river lead to?"

CORNELIUS "It flows into a sea some miles from here. That's where
we'll find the diggings."

TAYLOR "And beyond that?"

CORNELIUS "I don't know. You can't ride along the shore at high tide,
and we had no boats on our last expedition."

TAYLOR "You never told me: Why do you call this the Forbidden Zone?"

CORNELIUS "No one knows. It's an ancient taboo, set forth in the
Sacred Scrolls. The Lawgiver pronounced this whole area deadly."

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In other words, the Lawgiver (circa 1,200 years earlier) had
pronounced an entire area to be deadly, thereby instituting a TABOO.
Whether or not the Lawgiver named this deadly area "the Forbidden
Zone" or if the society that inherited his Sacred Scrolls coined the
term, is immaterial: the area -- what Cornelius calls "this whole
area" -- is FORBIDDEN.

The President of the Academy replies with surprise and shock when
Cornelius hesitatingly admits that he himself had been there (see the
dialogue above).

If the same Academy that he is the 'president' of had given "special
permission" for ANY ape to travel into this place that has been
FORBIDDEN to apes by their Lawgiver (whose "spirit... still lives"
etc), then the PRESIDENT of this Academy would sure as hell have been
informed of it! The population of Apedom (according to the extended
scene of "BENEATH", when Ursus and Zaius chat in the steamroom) is
only in the thousands. It's fair to say that NO APE in history had
ever been given permission by the government to violate a sacred
taboo. Honorius refers to Cornelius' statement (about a pre-Sacred
Scrolls simian culture) as "PROFANE" and irrelevant. He isn't
implying that Cornelius used "profanity" -- i.e. "harsh language" --
he's implying that Cornelius' statement is blasphemous.

This Ape culture is dominated by religious laws. I don't think that
any ape is ever allowed to venture into the Forbidden Zone (save, in
an emergency, the Chief Defender of the Faith -- Zaius -- and those
forces in his command accompanying him, the gorillas who go with him
to the Cave).

So... how do I explain away Cornelius line? "Yes, sir. Uh, a year
ago -- with the special permission of the Academy." Does this, or
does it not mean that Cornelius was given "the special permission of
the Academy" to travel into the Forbidden Zone?

I think it means that he was given the "special permission" to
TRAVEL, period. Else, what does Zaius' line mean? "He EXCEEDED HIS
ORDERS. His TRAVEL PERMIT was cancelled immediately!"

Not his TRAVEL-INTO-THE-FORBIDDEN-ZONE PERMIT. His TRAVEL permit.
Despite being given permission to travel (and, presumably, do
archaological work), he wasn't given permission to travel BEYOND THE
LEGAL BOUNDS. He was NOT given permission to travel into the
Forbidden Zone by the Academy.

Zaius' line doesn't make any sense if it can be construed that SOME
parts of the Forbidden Zone are not REALLY all that forbidden, so
that Cornelius could have been given permission to travel to the not-
quite-as-forbidden portion of the Forbidden Zone, just as long as he
didn't go beyond that portion into the absolutely-forbidden part.

I think -- taken in context -- that Cornelius had to get permission
from the Academy to TRAVEL, and that he had acquired their "special
permission" to travel WITHIN THE LEGAL LIMITS and do his
archaological work.

But Cornelius wasn't satisfied with those restrictions, so... AFTER
he got the Special Permission to travel, he violated the law and went
out into the Forbidden Zone, mapping it... discovering the poisonous
nature of the terrain around Dead Lake... learning enough about the
region to gauge Taylor's later description of it as "accurate"... and
eventually establishing his "diggings" site at the Cave on the shore
of the sea downriver.

It was his GOING INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE that Zaius refers to, saying
that "he EXCEEDED HIS ORDERS". Look at Cornelius' map: everything on
the Left of the dashed line represents the territory where Apes are
allowed to travel IF THEY HAVE A TRAVEL PERMIT, and everything on the
Right of the dashed line represents the FORBIDDEN ZONE, where NO ape
is ever allowed to travel (unless they have to chase after an
apostate, the way Zaius and his gorilla underlings do).

The Academy did NOT know that Cornelius was going to abuse
the 'privilege' of his Travel Permit, his "special permission" to
leave Ape City. Zaius found out that Cornelius had done just that and
immediately had the permit cancelled. I maintain that Zaius
discovered Cornelius' violation of the law due to the nature of the
artifacts that Cornelius must have brought back to Ape City to show
to him -- the "worthless" artifacts that clued Zaius into the fact
that Cornelius dug 'em up in the Forbidden Zone. We don't know what
those artifacts were, but Zaius knew them to be what archaeologists
call "ooparts": Out-Of-Place-Artifacts... things that aren't supposed
to be found where they're found, like discovering human skeletal
remains inside the fossilized remains of a Tyrannosaurus Rex, for
instance, since the dinosaurs predate the emergence of Homo sapiens
by well over 50 million years.

I just don't buy the notion that the President of the Academy somehow
didn't know that Cornelius had been granted the Special Permission to
travel INTO THE FORBIDDEN ZONE by the very Academy he headed.
Cornelius doesn't say that he had the Special Permission of Zaius
(i.e. of just one individual in the Academy). The Academy is a body
of persons, a group: when Cornelius presented his theory of
Evolution "Dr. Zaius and half the Academy" said it was heresy.
Cornelius had to have gotten permission from the GROUP to travel and
do archaological work, and you can bet that Zaius wouldn't have
approved him going into the Forbidden Zone to dig for artifacts,
since Zaius is one of the few -- perhaps, at the time, the ONLY ape --
who knows that the Forbidden Zone was once inhabited by
technologically advanced humans, centuries before the Lawgiver
lived... humans who would have left behind artifacts (Zaius knew that
the Forbidden Zone had been turned into a desert by Man... that it
had previously been a 'paradise' in which he must have dwelt).

As "Guardian of the Terrible Secret", Zaius would have made sure that
Cornelius' travel permit stated specifically where he would be given
permission to travel, and for how long. He might never have known
that Cornelius had broken the law and exceeded his travel permit's
orders if he had kept the "worthless" artifacts to himself, or at
least kept them out of the purview of Zaius, who knew 'em to be tell-
tale evidence that his job is to keep hidden.

Watch the scene again, T. When Cornelius says that Taylor
has "described the region to us and described it accurately, for... I
have been there" the pause [represented by the three dots above] is
him HESITATING to admit this crime. Before this, he can only have
been SUSPECTED of having visited the Forbidden Zone (based on Zaius
seeing the artifacts he'd dug up, knowing them to be tell-tale items
that contradict official 'sacred' history that can ONLY HAVE COME
FROM THE FORBIDDEN ZONE). Zaius, based on this mere SUSPICION, acted
promptly to prevent any further harm from being done -- he had
Cornelius' travel permit cancelled IMMEDIATELY.

I think it's likely that Cornelius had brought those artifacts back
from the Cave to Ape City -- where Zaius saw them, and immediately
knew them for what they were: evidence not only of the falsity of Ape
history but of Cornelius' violation of his travel privileges -- so
that Cornelius was in Ape City when the permit was cancelled. Thus,
he's been 'trapped' in Ape City ever since. He presented the Academy,
soon after, with his Evolution theory... and was so roundly attacked
by the Academy (or, by half of 'em, anyway) that he then cowtowed to
the Powers that Be and towed the line, apologizing for having
presented the Theory, admitting that it was 'wrong', etc etc. He does
a PUBLIC one-eighty, to get back into the good graces of the Academy,
and of Dr. Zaius, though privately still considering his explosive
theory to be 'possibly' right (i.e. a "probably wrong" theory can
be "improbably right" -- it's possible). He hasn't so alienated Zaius
that he can't hope one day to do another dig somewhere -- for which
he'll need to get the official support of Zaius, the very one who had
ordered his last travel permit cancelled.

I don't see Zaius ever trusting Cornelius (as he sure seemed to, in
the earlier scene, where he gives him the 'friendly warning') on
another dig if he already has proof positive that Cornelius broke the
law and traveled into the Forbidden Zone. He SUSPECTS that Cornelius
had dug up his "worthless" artifacts somewhere in the Forbidden Zone,
but Cornelius must have denied this vociferously (lying to him,
claiming to have dug 'em up somewhere in the 'permissible' places his
Travel Permit allowed him to go and dig).

Cornelius -- at the Tribunal -- puts himself in legal danger when he
admits for the first time that he indeed HAD visited the Forbidden
Zone. That's what his PAUSE indicates. He HESITATED to admit to it,
knowing that there would be legal ramifications for doing so. I think
that the charge of "malicious mischief" refers to this EARLIER crime.
Mischief is a DEED, an ACT of some sort that is considered wrong --
and nothing Cornelius does during "PLANET" constitutes such a thing.
His insistence that Taylor is a "missing link in an evolutionary
chain" is the "scientific heresy" charge, and his daring to voice
that belief constitutes "contempt of this Tribunal". But
the "malicious mischief" charge, I think, would have to refer to his
EARLIER crime of "exceeding his orders" -- traveling beyond the legal
bounds. It's like getting a visa to travel to a foreign country and
then, after going there, hopping that country's border to go into a
neighboring country not specified on the visa, perhaps to sample the
drug market, or to get involved with illegal terrorist activities, or
some such thing. If you're caught in the country you had permission
to travel in carrying contraband acquired in the non-permitted
neighboring country, you can be brought up on charges, and your visa
confiscated.

Cornelius' "worthless" artifacts were like contraband acquired in an
illegal locality. Cornelius had to have PRETENDED he dug 'em up
somewhere in the permissible areas specified in his Travel Permit,
but Zaius -- on a mere SUSPICION -- didn't take the chance, and had
the Travel Permit cancelled.

To sum up, I think -- prior to admitting to the Tribunal that he'd
been in the Forbidden Zone -- that the only people who knew beyond
any doubt that Cornelius had done so were him, Zira, probably Milo,
possibly some other like-minded chimp scientists (who had the sense
to keep quiet about Cornelius' law-breaking, and whom he trusted to
keep mum about it), and THAT'S IT. Zaius could only SUSPECT that he'd
broken the law. It isn't until Cornelius PUBLICLY ADMITTED his guilt
during the Tribunal -- "for... I have been there" -- that Zaius then
is able to say "Let them talk, Mister President... Let them talk..."
and later on, Zaius tells Taylor that "in a way, you did the State a
service, because you made it possible for us to expose Zira and
Cornelius..."

What else can that line of dialogue mean? Prior to that Tribunal,
Zaius had NOT found it possible to EXPOSE Zira and
Cornelius' "heresy" (for which he assures Taylor that, despite being
out on bail, they WILL be brought to trial for it). But, due to the
Tribunal centering around Taylor, Zaius finally got what he'd been
fishing for: the ability to EXPOSE Cornelius and Zira.

CORNELIUS "By your leave, Mister President, this Tribunal has not yet
defined the PURPOSE for this inquiry."

MAXIMUS "You asked for the opportunity to present your case. Surely
you must know why you're here."

Maximus is not telling the complete truth here. The President had
referred to it as "this ad hoc Tribunal of the National Academy". The
words "ad hoc" mean: "for one particular (usually exclusive) purpose"
(the Latin words mean "for this"). This isn't the weekly meeting, or
the monthly meeting, or the yearly meeting, etc. The Tribunal was set
up to deal with this SPECIFIC circumstance: to find out the 'truth'
about the talking human. That's the official reason. But the
underlying reason, from Zaius' perspective, is to USE this ad hoc
fact-finding proceeding to EXPOSE Cornelius and Zira.

Both Cornelius and Zira have ventured into 'heretical' territory
(Cornelius both figuratively and literally). Zira had to
be "cautioned" not to speculate too wildly about Taylor's ability to
understand, since that leads to the COMPARISON of Human and Simian
natures. Cornelius' "heresy" -- his theory of Evolution of Simians
from a lower order of Primate, possibly Man -- was similarly based on
Ape-and-Man comparisons. What Cornelius theorized based on
archaological evidence, Zira attempted to do with her Behavioral
Studies. Both chimp scientists were daring to suggest that
the 'official' Science, sanctioned by the State, was wrong. And that
is heresy.

Cornelius had recanted, previously. But Zaius probably suspected that
the recanting was done half-heartedly -- that Cornelius still
believed in his heretical theory, and only pretended to accept the
wisdom of the Academy declaring Evolution to be False.

Zaius wanted to use the Tribunal to expose Zira and Cornelius, and it
succeeded brilliantly. If not for the circumstances of this Tribunal,
Cornelius never would have dared to admit that he had violated the
law and visited the Forbidden Zone -- he naively thought that by
presenting the evidence (including the illegally-acquired data from
his archaological work), he might convince the President of the
Academy that the orthodox views of History were wrong... because he
had found evidence to contradict it. And, standing right in front of
them, is Evidence that the Ape orthodoxy can NOT explain away:
Taylor, the Talking Human! Honorius had to resort to his wild
accusation that Zira "and a corrupt surgeon named Galen experimented
on this wounded animal... tampering with his brain and throat
tissues... to produce a Speaking Monster!" That's the ONLY type of
way they could hope to explain away Taylor's existence... but Zira
counters that Taylor has a MIND. Not only can he Speak, but he can
Think and Reason.

Cornelius (ever proud of his Evolution theory) stubbornly insists
that Taylor IS the "missing link in an evolutionary chain" that he'd
previously offered to the Academy as an ALTERNATE way of explaining
the Past -- as opposed to their 'sacred' history. Cornelius' evidence
PRE-DATES their Sacred Scrolls -- a "profane" suggestion, even if it
is true.

I think that Zaius suspected all along that Cornelius would do just
that: try to ram his 'heretical' theory down the Tribunal's throat,
using Taylor to support it, AND possibly the other evidence that he'd
acquired the previous year. Zaius hadn't been able to expose him
before this, but he successfully watched Cornelius SELF-DESTRUCT.
Cornelius, the Scientist, couldn't help himself. The EVIDENCE
demanded a verdict -- and some of that evidence he had acquired
illegally.

By admitting he had been to the Forbidden Zone, Cornelius played
right into the hands of Zaius. Zaius couldn't get him to expose his
own law-breaking any other way; Taylor's case went to the heart of
his Theory -- that he was a "missing link" that the Academy HAD to
accept. Earlier, Zira had naively said so ["If the theory's true,
they'll HAVE to believe it!"]... and Cornelius, prudently, had
replied, "Oh, no they won't!" In the passion of the moment, Cornelius
forgot his own earlier wisdom: the State does NOT have to believe his
heretical theory. They can choose to ignore the evidence and maintain
the Status Quo.

I don't think I'm gonna be eating any crow this week, T, but if you
still think your interpretation of the dialogue is right and that I'm
wrong about this, well, perhaps we can agree to disagree. I think the
Academy gave Cornelius permission to TRAVEL. But NOT to travel just
ANYWHERE and EVERYWHERE his whim led him to -- ONLY to places within
certain legal limits. Cornelius abused his privilege, and ventured
into the FORBIDDEN area... found some artifacts that didn't fit into
the Orthodox "church"-sanctioned history, and LED HIM TO FORMULATE
HIS THEORY OF EVOLUTION. When he showed some of his artifacts to
Zaius, Zaius knew he had to have dug 'em up in the Forbidden Zone --
proof enough to him that he had broken the law and traveled into an
impermissible area. So, Zaius revoked Cornelius' travel privileges.
He probably accused Cornelius of having traveled into the Forbidden
Zone, but Cornelius lied to him -- pretending that he'd dug 'em up in
a legal dig site.

Zaius couldn't prove a 'crime' had happened. So, when the Tribunal
opportunity arose, he used it to maneuver Cornelius and Zira into
admitting their heretical views... backing up those views with the
ILLEGALLY OBTAINED evidence from a year earlier. Zaius used the
Tribunal to expose them, as he later admits to Taylor, who had made
it possible.

Patrick Michael Tilton
EARTH-TIME 12-03-2005