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Group: potadg Message: 33973 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33974 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33975 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33976 From: John Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33977 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
Group: potadg Message: 33978 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33979 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33980 From: Neil Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
Group: potadg Message: 33981 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
Group: potadg Message: 33982 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: New Home Page Picture!
Group: potadg Message: 33983 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33984 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
Group: potadg Message: 33985 From: Joseph O'Brien Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33986 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
Group: potadg Message: 33987 From: John Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33988 From: Neil Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33989 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33990 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Thanks again
Group: potadg Message: 33991 From: Joseph O'Brien Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
Group: potadg Message: 33992 From: Joseph O'Brien Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Thanks again
Group: potadg Message: 33993 From: Neil Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Thanks again
Group: potadg Message: 33994 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 33995 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 33996 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: OT: New Old Comics
Group: potadg Message: 33997 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Still in New Orleans
Group: potadg Message: 33998 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
Group: potadg Message: 33999 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34000 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34001 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34002 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34003 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34004 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34005 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34006 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN (AGAIN!)
Group: potadg Message: 34007 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes etc....
Group: potadg Message: 34008 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34009 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34010 From: ironman1188 Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34011 From: John Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34012 From: Steve Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34013 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34014 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34015 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34016 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34017 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34018 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34019 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #whatever!
Group: potadg Message: 34020 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34021 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34022 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34023 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/12/2005
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 34024 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34025 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34026 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34027 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: 2000 years of English
Group: potadg Message: 34028 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 34029 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34030 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 34031 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34032 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34033 From: Steve Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34034 From: ron kenner Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34035 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
Group: potadg Message: 34036 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34037 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #41
Group: potadg Message: 34038 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34039 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34040 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34041 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34042 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34043 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34044 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Marvel UK Issue 61
Group: potadg Message: 34045 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34046 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34047 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
Group: potadg Message: 34048 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK Issue 61
Group: potadg Message: 34049 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
Group: potadg Message: 34050 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34051 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 34052 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
Group: potadg Message: 34053 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
Group: potadg Message: 34054 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34055 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 34056 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
Group: potadg Message: 34057 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...
Group: potadg Message: 34058 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34059 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
Group: potadg Message: 34060 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
Group: potadg Message: 34061 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: The Lawgiver
Group: potadg Message: 34062 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34063 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34064 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34065 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34066 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34067 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34068 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
Group: potadg Message: 34069 From: merlynpota Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: OT Thanks for the invite
Group: potadg Message: 34070 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34071 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #43
Group: potadg Message: 34072 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
Subject: Lawgiver for Ty....TV SERIES



Group: potadg Message: 33973 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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How about a bounty hunter?  J

 

This is actually something we all toyed with in the past on the group – new interesting characters!

Dave Ballard created a character that Neil illustrated based on a sorta “spaghetti westerns” look and feel…..

 

I’d love to show you some pics but nothing ever stays where I put it!

If anyone can help me find…..

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...

 

I'm not saying you're wrong, but look at it this way: Every one of the films had NEW characters that were introduced... They were ALL new at one point... Ursus was a NEW figure introduced in BENEATH, wasn't he? And Milo was NEW in ESCAPE...

You shouldn't just limit yourself to the same figures over and over, because creating scenarios for them just for the sake of having them (and their names) in there just isn't right either...

The films (great as they are) are limited... I mean there's only so many times you can tell a Zira and Cornelius story isn't there...

That's the one thing that WAS good about the TV series, they didn't try to showcase every existing character... They went ahead and created new ones... That's what you'll need too...

Yourself and others here keep saying how you want to make APES for today's audience, well showcasing characters from old films that these "SlipKnot" kids aren't going to watch anyway isn't the way to do it... If you want to get a new audience, you'll need to have original apes in there...





In a message dated 12/11/2005 9:45:41 PM Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:


I'm a firm believer that CHARACTER drives these stories.  The one main problem I always had with both the Adventure comics line, (And the TV series as well) was the missing characters from the main franchise.

Ty

On 12/11/05, John <DrZaiusDavis@...> wrote:

It would probably be harder to get readers to care about these new
characters they have no attachment to without spending a great deal
of time establishing the new characters. A luxury most comics can't
afford to take. Too much down time. I could be wrong.

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Group: potadg Message: 33974 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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.html.html In a message dated 12/11/2005 9:50:09 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Now, no pressure or anything, but are YOU going to illustrate for REVOLUTION?!?!?!


I think it'd be better to see him just start in on the next project... Keep these comics consistant, by that I mean you wouldn't want drawing styles that are very different for the same story would you?
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Group: potadg Message: 33975 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: You WHAT?!??!?!
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Serious?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

and I saved his life in Korea , years ago, so he owes me.

Ty


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Group: potadg Message: 33976 From: John Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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You've won me over. Let's tell a story about a twisted little gorilla
who disagrees with the teachings of the lawgiver and starts a great
religious war on the Planet of the Apes. Hail Satan!.... whoa....
gotta go take my meds... back in a sec.



--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
>
> I'm not saying you're wrong, but look at it this way: Every one of
the films
> had NEW characters that were introduced... They were ALL new at one
point...
> Ursus was a NEW figure introduced in BENEATH, wasn't he? And Milo
was NEW in
> ESCAPE...
>
> You shouldn't just limit yourself to the same figures over and
over, because
> creating scenarios for them just for the sake of having them (and
their names)
> in there just isn't right either...
>
> The films (great as they are) are limited... I mean there's only so
many
> times you can tell a Zira and Cornelius story isn't there...
>
> That's the one thing that WAS good about the TV series, they didn't
try to
> showcase every existing character... They went ahead and created
new ones...
> That's what you'll need too...
>
> Yourself and others here keep saying how you want to make APES for
today's
> audience, well showcasing characters from old films that
these "SlipKnot" kids
> aren't going to watch anyway isn't the way to do it... If you want
to get a new
> audience, you'll need to have original apes in there...
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 12/11/2005 9:45:41 PM Central Standard Time,
> tybunny@g... writes:
>
> > I'm a firm believer that CHARACTER drives these stories. The one
main
> > problem I always had with both the Adventure comics line, (And
the TV series as
> > well) was the missing characters from the main franchise.
> >
> > Ty
> >
> > On 12/11/05, John <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > >> It would probably be harder to get readers to care about these
new
> >> characters they have no attachment to without spending a great
deal
> >> of time establishing the new characters. A luxury most comics
can't
> >> afford to take. Too much down time. I could be wrong.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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Group: potadg Message: 33977 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
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Funny that.

 

The pilot of the TV Show was aired here in about 1997 and the following week I heard groups of teenagers saying they had seen it and how cool it was.

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

All of Seth's friends want shirts too, which is cool because I don't
think most of them had a clue about Planet of the Apes.





--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > Wow. Thanks! My Dad let me stay up and watch the POTA Tv show with
> > him when I was a kid and those are some of my most fond memories.
I
> > truly enjoy getting to share POTA with my son and this new comic
has
> > really got him excited. We even made iron-on t-shirts with Tom's
art
> > on it. (he has one of your Batman inspired Face off too, Neil)
>
> -- And you didn't even make one up for me or is it still in the
> post? ;-)
>
> neil
>






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Group: potadg Message: 33978 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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I should chime in here and point out that our new story, REVOLUTION stars FOUR new characters, all of whom, I hope become part of POTA lore.  We're introducing the President of the United States that loses the war to the apes...as well as young man named Chris Leung...a governement propagandist in the ministry of News named Nora, and most importantly (though he doesn't know it yet) a biochemical scientist named Bryce, who just may or may not be the secret to saving the world of man.

Ty
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Group: potadg Message: 33979 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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.html.html In a message dated 12/11/2005 10:03:00 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

This is actually something we all toyed with in the past on the group – new interesting characters!

And that is what we'll need ...
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Group: potadg Message: 33980 From: Neil Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
> C'mon Neil, share the FACE-OFF...I think it is a great homage to
that style..

-- It's already in the Art folder in the Files section I think.

Neil
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Group: potadg Message: 33981 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
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Drawing a comic, actually, from a script I wrote. 

THE RETURN OF HANK SCORPIO IN...

Sandwiches are Forever.

So far, of the dozen issues of Simpsons I've written, this one is tied for my favorite.  (My other fave, if anyone cares is the one with the old Incan man living in their basement.)


Ty

On 12/11/05, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

Oh – do you mean you are WATCHING the Simpsons?  Or writing a comic?  Confused…..

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:24 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Hey folks.  How's it hanging?

I'm here for a couple of minutes before I head back to Springfield/Simpson-land.  I'm sure you've been in fine hands with Mr. O'Brien.



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Group: potadg Message: 33982 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: New Home Page Picture!
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New home-page picture!  J

THANKS NEIL!

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/

 

Michael

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Group: potadg Message: 33983 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
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What am I saying.  It wasn't Korea...it was the 'Nam.

DeNang province, 1968. 

Ty

On 12/11/05, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

Serious?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

and I saved his life in Korea, years ago, so he owes me.

Ty



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Group: potadg Message: 33984 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON ...
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.html.html In a message dated 12/11/2005 10:04:24 PM Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

You've won me over. Let's tell a story about a twisted little gorilla
who disagrees with the teachings of the lawgiver and starts a great
religious war on the Planet of the Apes.


Good to hear...

Anyway, I'd think that all of the Gorillas (and Orangutans) are pretty much fundamentalist when it comes to the Lawgiver and his teachings... But let's say a chimp who challenges those teachings just might work...
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Group: potadg Message: 33985 From: Joseph O'Brien Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
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It’s not your fault.  You’re memory hasn’t been the same since you took that ‘Cong bullet to the head. 

 

Joe

 

 

 

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www.joseph-obrien.com

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] You WHAT?!??!?!

 

What am I saying.  It wasn't Korea ...it was the ' Nam .

DeNang province, 1968. 

Ty

On 12/11/05, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Serious?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

and I saved his life in Korea , years ago, so he owes me.

Ty

 

SPONSORED LINKS

Fantasy science fiction

Science fiction books

Science fiction book club

Science fiction magazine

Science fiction novel

Writing science fiction

 


YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS

 

 



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Group: potadg Message: 33986 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE
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My wife is making me go back to work on the Simpsons (name dropping bastard that I am) actually, I think she needs the computer to play Civilization and I'm in her way.  Story of my life. 

We should be seeing the issue on the stands any day now.  As I told Joe just this week, it's at the printers and we're just waiting for the guys in trucks.  I've actually, physically held a copy of the issue in my hands, and it smelled like victory.

Ty the Guy.

Ape must not kill Ape, but they can be damn rude to them at a party.  BELIEVE me.



On 12/11/05, Joseph O'Brien < job@...> wrote:

Thanks for the plug . . . ;)

 

Joe

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:48 PM


To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Yeah – I'm SO retarded!

Here's the comic and it is drawn by ATILLA:

 

http://www.joseph-obrien.com/night.htm

 

Looks fucking incredible!

 

Was it ATILLA who illustrated the back-story for issue #1 of REVOLUTION?

 

Michael


 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

I was checking out your website and I thought there was a new comic there that was also ILLUSTRATED by you – it was late and I'd had no coffee!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Brien
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Nope.  I'm a hobbyist 3D illustrator and animator, among other things, but I've never done professional comics art.  My hand drawing is rotten bad.  Why do you ask?

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Joe – are you a comic book artist too????

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Tom Fowlers art has to be the most exciting part of this project for
me. It is dark, twisted and like nothing we have seen in the POTA
universe to date. How was he lured to this project and is he a big
fan of the franchise? Or is his unique take on the POTA world because
it is an outside view. I truly believe his style will lure people who
are not fans and wouldn't normally give Planet of the Apes a chance.
Kids wearing Slipknot shirts skating to their local comic shops won't
normaly be looking for the latest Apes project.





 



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I love you guys! Neil is a hippy who protested your work as he sat at
home smoking pot listening to Pink Floyd but he draws a mean ape so
try not to hurt him too bad (besides Michael might get upset cause
that's his job).



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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> I love you guys! Neil is a hippy who protested your work as he sat
at home smoking pot listening to Pink Floyd

-- Haven't I told you to stop telling these tall stories about me? It
wasn't Floyd I was listening to it was the Kinks! ;-)

Neil
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Group: potadg Message: 33989 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/11/2005
Subject: Re: You WHAT?!??!?!
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When you were 5 years old?  J

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 3:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] You WHAT?!??!?!

 

What am I saying.  It wasn't Korea...it was the 'Nam.

DeNang province, 1968. 

Ty

On 12/11/05, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Serious?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

and I saved his life in Korea, years ago, so he owes me.

Ty

 

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Subject: Thanks again
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OK guys – thanks again for dropping in!

 

I hope we can do it again after the comic is released…..

 

Cheers

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent:
Monday, 12 December 2005 3:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

My wife is making me go back to work on the Simpsons (name dropping bastard that I am) actually, I think she needs the computer to play Civilization and I'm in her way.  Story of my life. 

We should be seeing the issue on the stands any day now.  As I told Joe just this week, it's at the printers and we're just waiting for the guys in trucks.  I've actually, physically held a copy of the issue in my hands, and it smelled like victory.

Ty the Guy.

Ape must not kill Ape, but they can be damn rude to them at a party.  BELIEVE me.


On 12/11/05, Joseph O'Brien <job@...> wrote:

Thanks for the plug . . . ;)

 

Joe

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent:
Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:48 PM


To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Yeah – I'm SO retarded!

Here's the comic and it is drawn by ATILLA:

 

http://www.joseph-obrien.com/night.htm

 

Looks fucking incredible!

 

Was it ATILLA who illustrated the back-story for issue #1 of REVOLUTION?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent:
Monday, 12 December 2005 2:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

I was checking out your website and I thought there was a new comic there that was also ILLUSTRATED by you – it was late and I'd had no coffee!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Brien
Sent:
Monday, 12 December 2005 2:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Nope.  I'm a hobbyist 3D illustrator and animator, among other things, but I've never done professional comics art.  My hand drawing is rotten bad.  Why do you ask?

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent:
Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Joe – are you a comic book artist too????

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent:
Monday, 12 December 2005 2:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Tom Fowlers art has to be the most exciting part of this project for
me. It is dark, twisted and like nothing we have seen in the POTA
universe to date. How was he lured to this project and is he a big
fan of the franchise? Or is his unique take on the POTA world because
it is an outside view. I truly believe his style will lure people who
are not fans and wouldn't normally give Planet of the Apes a chance.
Kids wearing Slipknot shirts skating to their local comic shops won't
normaly be looking for the latest Apes project.




 

 

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Ty was a problem child, and the only thing anyone could think do with him was drop him into the middle of a combat theater.  Charlie never saw it coming. 

 

Joe

 

 

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] You WHAT?!??!?!

 

When you were 5 years old?  J

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 3:09 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] You WHAT?!??!?!

 

What am I saying.  It wasn't Korea ...it was the ' Nam .

DeNang province, 1968. 

Ty

On 12/11/05, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

Serious?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:59 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

and I saved his life in Korea , years ago, so he owes me.

Ty

 

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Group: potadg Message: 33992 From: Joseph O'Brien Date: 12/11/2005
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Thanks to all of you.  I need to get back to work myself, but please let us know what you all think of the comic!

 

Cheers,

Joe

 

 

 

 

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 11:24 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Thanks again

 

OK guys – thanks again for dropping in!

 

I hope we can do it again after the comic is released…..

 

Cheers

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 3:12 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

My wife is making me go back to work on the Simpsons (name dropping bastard that I am) actually, I think she needs the computer to play Civilization and I'm in her way.  Story of my life. 

We should be seeing the issue on the stands any day now.  As I told Joe just this week, it's at the printers and we're just waiting for the guys in trucks.  I've actually, physically held a copy of the issue in my hands, and it smelled like victory.

Ty the Guy.

Ape must not kill Ape, but they can be damn rude to them at a party.  BELIEVE me.


On 12/11/05 , Joseph O'Brien <job@...> wrote:

Thanks for the plug . . . ;)

 

Joe

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:48 PM


To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Yeah – I'm SO retarded!

Here's the comic and it is drawn by ATILLA:

 

http://www.joseph-obrien.com/night.htm

 

Looks fucking incredible!

 

Was it ATILLA who illustrated the back-story for issue #1 of REVOLUTION?

 

Michael

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:40 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

I was checking out your website and I thought there was a new comic there that was also ILLUSTRATED by you – it was late and I'd had no coffee!

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joseph O'Brien
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Nope.  I'm a hobbyist 3D illustrator and animator, among other things, but I've never done professional comics art.  My hand drawing is rotten bad.  Why do you ask?

 

Joe

 

 

 

 

 


From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2005 10:22 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Joe – are you a comic book artist too????

 

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [ PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 2:16 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Welcome to Joseph O'Brien - Script Writer for REVOLUTION ON THE PLANET OF THE APES

 

Tom Fowlers art has to be the most exciting part of this project for
me. It is dark, twisted and like nothing we have seen in the POTA
universe to date. How was he lured to this project and is he a big
fan of the franchise? Or is his unique take on the POTA world because
it is an outside view. I truly believe his style will lure people who
are not fans and wouldn't normally give Planet of the Apes a chance.
Kids wearing Slipknot shirts skating to their local comic shops won't
normaly be looking for the latest Apes project.




 

 

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Science fiction books

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Writing science fiction

 


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Joseph O'Brien" <job@r...> wrote:
> Thanks to all of you. I need to get back to work myself, but please
let us know what you all think of the comic!

-- Cheers, thanks for dropping by guys, please feel free to drop in
any time to chat, there's usually someone here!

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> I'm more concerned with the dialogue between Milo and Cornelius.
How can Milo have been informing Cornelius about "flying machines" at this point
 
-- It all depends just when this conversation takes place. As you will see from this page it is after C & Z's heresy trial and Cornelius has had time to come to terms with Taylor arriving in a flying machine.
 
 
Neil
 
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Group: potadg Message: 33996 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In a message dated 12/11/2005 5:17:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:
Of course, as Richter is writing this one, I stand out of the way with tremendous glee and wait for its arrival.
 
Actually the Moonstone Comic guy is writing it and Richter is putting in his
two cents worth, as he is for the new BB novel Earl Mac Rauch is writing --
Sometime a dine as he puts it.  Not sure if it's out yet or not. BB and POTA
do have something in common. The BB & POTA2K1 DVD's were the only
Nuon capable DVDs ever released.  Nuon never really took off, but I still
think about getting a Nuon capable DVD player to see those unseen extras.
 
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Group: potadg Message: 33997 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In a message dated 12/11/2005 7:05:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:
Blue Bell makes the absolute best Natural Vanilla Bean ever!!!!
 
Oh!  You "Eat what you can and sell the rest".
Blue Bell is absolutely the Most Under Rated
ice cream in the World!  They may not have
all the flavors that Haagen Daz or Ben & Jerry's
have, but what flavors they do have are first rate.
 
Especially the Vanilla Bean!
 
 
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In a message dated 12/11/2005 9:12:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, job@... writes:
As for an APES revival series?  Anything's possible
 
I wonder why the Buckaroo Banzai series never got off the ground?
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 33999 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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Thanks Neil.

 

Luv the Cornelius and Zira….

 

Michael

 

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Group: potadg Message: 34000 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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I seem to have a huge gap.
I don't have anything between Chapter 54 and Chapter 70.
Did I miss something here?
 
 
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Yup.

 

You want an invite to the photos group?

Michael

 

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Sent: Monday, 12 December 2005 7:29 PM
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I seem to have a huge gap.

I don't have anything between Chapter 54 and Chapter 70.

Did I miss something here?


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Group: potadg Message: 34002 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:36:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
You want an invite to the photos group?
 
Yes please
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 34003 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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On the way……

 

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Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New WITHIN (AGAIN!)

 

In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:36:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

You want an invite to the photos group?

 

Yes please

 

 

 


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Group: potadg Message: 34004 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In a message dated 12/12/2005 6:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
On the way……
 
When will it arrive?
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 34005 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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You should have it!

 

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In a message dated 12/12/2005 6:06:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

On the way……

 

When will it arrive?

 

 

 


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Group: potadg Message: 34006 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:34:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
You should have it!
 
Nope, nothing yet.
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 34007 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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In the drinking scene in The Deception there are these weird cups
with little flumes in the lips, which makes no sense for apes, but
does for actors.  I wonder if that's what they were made for, though
straws make more sense for that.  What would be the point of it?
 
 
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Group: potadg Message: 34008 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/12/2005
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excellent likenesses Neil!

Tim

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Group: potadg Message: 34009 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/12/2005
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In the current issue of "Premiere" cover story on
Peter Jackson and "Kong":

"The day after the animation meeting, Jackson sits on
the couch where he does the editing for Kong. We're in
a ground floor room in a converted Victorian house
that has vintage life-size Planet of the Apes figures
lining the halls and a lord of the Rings pinball
machine in the entryway."

Tim

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Group: potadg Message: 34010 From: ironman1188 Date: 12/12/2005
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> We're in
> a ground floor room in a converted Victorian house
> that has vintage life-size Planet of the Apes figures
> lining the halls and a lord of the Rings pinball
> machine in the entryway."

Dare we even hope that Jackson would do an Apes film???
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Group: potadg Message: 34011 From: John Date: 12/12/2005
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Wow. Got to spend last night talking with Joe and Ty and today a
whole page of "Within". Santa doesn't know me very well does he?
Thanks guys. The likeness is dead on as usual. I like the way you've
steered away from the same square panel for evey instalment. Very
cool.






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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> The likeness is dead on as usual. I like the way you've
> steered away from the same square panel for evey instalment. Very
> cool.

This "strip" is fantastic!! I keep telling myself I'm going to wait
till the end and read it all at once....but that hasn't happened yet. I
hope it NEVER ends!!
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Group: potadg Message: 34014 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
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    Group: potadg Message: 34015 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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    In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:17:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:
    Dare we even hope that Jackson would do an Apes film???
     
    I dunno, but I sure wish he'd done the last one.
    Maybe he'd have had them do some rewrites on that script!
     
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 34016 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/12/2005
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    How is it that Chapter 40 is up and Chapter 70?
    I'm still waiting for my invite so I can read chapter 55.
    I don't know what happened.  Maybe I got the new
    ones confused with the re-release of the old ones.
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 34017 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/12/2005
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    .html.html In a message dated 12/12/05 7:42:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:


    In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:17:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:

    Dare we even hope that Jackson would do an Apes film???




    I dunno, but I sure wish he'd done the last one.
    Maybe he'd have had them do some rewrites on that script!


    Even if he just produced it, it would be better than anything anyone else at Fox could come up with.

    -- Rory
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    Group: potadg Message: 34018 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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    Yes I would like to have seen what he had come up with.

     

    Seeing what he did with LORD OF THE RINGS, it would have been great to see what he could have done with our “precious”.

     

    Michael                                                   

     

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    Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:36 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Jackson Loves Apes

     

    In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:17:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:

    Dare we even hope that Jackson would do an Apes film???

     

    I dunno, but I sure wish he'd done the last one.

    Maybe he'd have had them do some rewrites on that script!


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    Group: potadg Message: 34019 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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    Not only have I sent you an invite but I went a step further and just added you to the group.

     

    It is a DIFFERENT group – called DG PHOTOS.

     

    Here’s the link:

     

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/

     

    Or here’s the DIRECT link to WITHIN:

    http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/files/Within%20the%20Planet%20of%20the%20Apes/

     

    The reason the different parts are up is that e are (daily) posting WITHIN from the START.

     

    In addition to this we are (ALMOST daily) giving you new chapters….which just happen to be entire pages at the moment.

     

    Michael

     

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    Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:43 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40

     

    How is it that Chapter 40 is up and Chapter 70? I'm still waiting for my invite so I can read chapter 55.

    I don't know what happened.  Maybe I got the new ones confused with the re-release of the old ones


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    Group: potadg Message: 34020 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/12/2005
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A ... wrote:
    > How is it that
    Chapter 40 is up and Chapter 70?
    > I'm still waiting for my invite so I
    can read chapter 55.
    > I don't know what happened.  Maybe I got the
    new
    > ones confused with the re-release of the old
    ones.
    >
     
    -- After a few requests we decided to re-release the chapters from the beginning on a daily basis for anyone who had missed them first time around. However the re-released ones are smaller files (to save group space) and if you want to get the whole detailed experience they are now also available as full page PDF files (thanks to Greg P) in the Within the Planet of the Apes folder in the files section of the DG Photos Group: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/ (a satellite DG group set up when we began to run out of available storage space on the DG)
     
    Of course to access the files on the site you do have to be a member.
     
    T, I have just sent you an invite to that group.
     
    Neil
     
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    Hey T, I have just checked on the DG Photos Group and the reason that you may not have been receiving the invites is because you already are a member of the group apparently.
     
    Neil
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 34022 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/12/2005
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    J

     

    Bruddy Irriot!!!!

     

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    Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 12:42 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40

     

    Hey T, I have just checked on the DG Photos Group and the reason that you may not have been receiving the invites is because you already are a member of the group apparently.

     

    Neil

     

     


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    Birthday Reminder from the Calendar of PotaDG
    Richard Zanuck's Birthday

    Tuesday December 13, 2005
    All Day
    This event repeats every year.

    Notes:
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    Group: potadg Message: 34024 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
    Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40
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    In a message dated 12/12/2005 7:54:37 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

    J

     

    Bruddy Irriot!!!!

     
    Nah, the one Michael sent worked fine.
    Neil's was overkill, but never let that
    change your style!  In Within overkill
    is a good thing.
     
     
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 34025 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
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    In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:10:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:
    Hey T, I have just checked on the DG Photos Group and the reason that you may not have been receiving the invites is because you already are a member of the group apparently.
     
    Neil
     
    Are you given me the Double Talk?
    Well the last one worked, and I am Blown Away!
    The artwork is better than ever and the story
    keeps getting better end better as it goes.
    Those new guys will have to work awfully
    hard to top this.  I cant wait for the next
    installment.  This is the best POTA comic
    ever!
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    Group: potadg Message: 34026 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/13/2005
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
    >
    > Yeah - it's a DIFFERENT plague..like many other things the various
    components of the ape takeover are sped up because Zira and Cornelius
    visit their past. Otherwise the plague was going to happen hundreds
    of years later as it did in the initial timeline..
    >
    > 10, 9, 8, 7, 6...

    *** ...5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0!

    It ain't a different plague, Mike. There is no evidence whatsoever
    in "ESCAPE" or "CONQUEST" that the Plague "was going to happen
    hundreds of years later" -- Cornelius & Zira never tell Hasslein that
    the Plague happened X-number of years prior to their own time. They
    only say that Man's downfall and the story of how Apes rose began in
    their prehistory, with the Plague that killed the dogs and cats.

    The only time-references Cornelius and Zira give are to the DURATION
    of two different periods:

    1) Apes, having replaced the lost dogs and cats, serve as PETS, for a
    period of "two centuries"

    2) Apes, having been Pets for 2 centuries, were turned into SLAVES,
    and then "turned the tables" on their Human masters "after three more
    centuries".

    Cornelius doesn't say, "The Plague struck the dogs and cats of the
    world exactly 1,972 years before we flew in that spaceship with Milo"
    (which is true, since 3955 minus 1983 is 1,972 years) -- nor does he
    give ANY indication as to how many years prior to 3955 that ancient
    plague from Prehistory occurred.

    Thus, Mike, there's NO evidence that the arrival of the Ape-onauts
    somehow SPED UP the timeframe of when that Plague struck. It happens
    8 years prior to "CONQUEST" -- 1991 - 8 = 1983 ... the date that is
    carved on the Pet Memorial, which Armando says was "... eight years
    ago..."

    If Hasslein's paranoid successors believed Cornelius and Zira, by
    that point, they should've connected the dots in 1983-to-1984, when,
    a month after the first pet deaths, the last of the dogs and cats on
    Earth had died. They would think to themselves: "Cornelius said that
    a Plague would kill off the dogs and cats... and that Plague has now
    happened. We NOW have to expect that people will replace those lost
    pets with Apes..."

    And, lo and behold, that happens. And, AFTER having taken in Apes as
    pets, they would say -- if they believed Cornelius' testimony to
    Hasslein and E1 and E2 -- that there would be a period of TWO
    CENTURIES before any ape would be turned into a slave...

    Yet, in the year 1991, the Apes have been slaves for an untold number
    of years -- fewer than 8 years, of course.

    THAT would have been a cause for alarm. When it became apparent that
    the Pet-Apes were being ENSLAVED, only a few YEARS after the Plague,
    and not TWO CENTURIES after the Plague, THEN the Federal Authorities
    who know about the Ape-onaut 'prophecies' would have to ask
    themselves whether or not Cornelius had been either MISTAKEN or
    PURPOSELY DECEITFUL when he told 'em that they had 200 years of Apes-
    as-Pets. How could Cornelius have been so 'off' -- by virtually 200
    years???

    If Cornelius' line about "two centuries" was so off-the-mark, then
    it's reasonable to deduce that the Authorities would ALSO consider it
    likely that Zira's line ["... three more centuries..."] regarding the
    period of Apes-as-Slaves prior to turning-the-tables is ALSO wildly
    off-the-mark.

    Why else would Breck -- during the scene where Caesar's forces are
    using a blow-torch to cut through the door to his Command Post -- be
    so frenetically insistent that THIS moment is the turning point for
    Man?

    "If we lose this battle, that's the end of the world as we know it!
    We will have proved ourselves inferior -- weak! And all those
    groveling cowards who are alive when the battle is over will be the
    weakest of all! THIS will be the end of human civilization, and the
    world will belong to a planet of apes!"

    Why doesn't Breck say, "Don't worry, folks... we know that we get to
    lord it over our Ape slaves for THREE CENTURIES, because of what Zira
    told the Federal authorities, 18 years ago" instead?

    Did Breck KNOW about that testimony? Of COURSE he did -- the footage
    was kept in the Archives Section, and Breck knew of its contents when
    he had Hoskyns (or whomever) go to the Archives and make him a little
    videotape copy, so that he could play a portion of it to Armando.
    Prior to Armando being interviewed at that time, Breck must have gone
    over that old Presidential Commission evidence -- which included the
    secretly taped testimony of Zira (when Hasslein had gotten her drunk)
    as well as the testimony of both Zira and Cornelius when they told
    about the Pet Plague (as evidenced by what Caesar was able to see
    in "BATTLE" when he, MacDonald and Virgil went to the Archives
    themselves, where the master-tapes were still there and able to be
    viewed).

    Breck knows all about what Zira and Cornelius told about their
    society's "prehistory" -- about his own near-Past, Present, and near-
    Future. He KNOWS about the discrepancy regarding the "centuries" that
    Cornelius and Zira had 'predicted'(based on the 'prehistoric' "SECRET
    SCROLLS") and the TRUE timeline of events. Apes did NOT serve Man as
    replacement Pets for "two centuries" -- they served that function for
    probably only TWO YEARS. Probably beginning in the year 1986, three
    years after the deaths of the last dogs and cats. For TWO YEARS, Man
    treated Apes as Pets... and then ENSLAVED THEM, beginning in 1988, so
    that only THREE YEARS later -- in 1991 -- and NOT three centuries
    later -- the enslaved apes were primed to "turn the tables" on their
    masters.

    THAT is why Breck is so damned sure that the showdown at the Command
    Post is the battle that -- if the humans lose it -- will be the end
    of human civilization as they know it. He KNOWS that 500-year
    chronology of Cornelius and Zira is false -- either unintenionally
    false, due to a MISTAKE on Cornelius' part, or INTENTIONALLY false,
    due to a willful effort on their part to inflate by a factor of 100
    the TRUE timeframe for the transition period of Apes into first Pet-
    status, through their Enslavement, and thence to their OVERTHROW of
    Man.

    Here's another bit of relevant evidence.

    It is ONLY in Cornelius' testimony to Hasslein (etc) that Man becomes
    aware of "an ape named ALDO" who will presumably begin the Fall of
    Man, by being the first ape to SPEAK -- the word "No!"

    It was reasonable for the Federal authorities to assume that that
    wouldn't happen for another 500 years, once the Plague began this
    supposed 500-year timeline of events. But, when the enslavement of
    Apes began LESS THAN A DECADE after the Plague, rather than 200 years
    later, the Authorities would begin to worry that this "Aldo"
    character would be around in the Present.

    Why else would Breck -- prior to going to the auction to purchase a
    NEW slave ape, Caesar, to replace his LAST slave ape -- have owned a
    chimpanzee named ALDO?

    Caesar blurts out "Lousy human bastards!" in response to witnessing
    the brutalizing of a chimpanzee described as "a messenger" by HANDLER
    1 and "For the Governor" by HANDLER 2, just before the waiters
    protesting on this South Plaza "converge aggressively" on them.

    Breck, the Governor of this unnamed city, has a "messenger" ape named
    ALDO. Why does he own an ape with THIS name?

    I think it's because he was clued in -- perhaps by the Feds -- that
    there was this major problem with the TIMEFRAME of events. Breck
    governs a city where Pet Apes had become enslaved two centuries
    BEFORE they were supposed to have been. When apes started being
    enslaved, conditioned, auctioned as slaves... the Feds may well have
    met with Breck and informed him of this timeframe discrepancy. And,
    in addition to bringing up the notion that the 500-year period had
    already been proved false by Ape Slavery -- that meant that the
    Revolution of the Apes might equally happen far EARLIER than they'd
    been led to believe by Cornelius and Zira.

    And... the name Cornelius mentioned -- the name of the ape who would
    supposedly BEGIN the fight against Man by becoming the FIRST ape to
    speak the word "No"... would be "ALDO".

    Perhaps Breck, then, went out of his way to see if APE MANAGEMENT had
    on file any record of an ape with that name registered in their
    files. The apes aren't pre-named by APE MANAGEMENT -- otherwise Breck
    wouldn't have had Caesar choose his own name -- "randomly" -- out of
    that book. But, presumably, a human who had purchased an ape and then
    given it the name "Aldo" would have to register that name with APE
    MANAGEMENT. Thus, Breck, getting in touch with APE MANAGEMENT, would
    inquire as to whether or not there's an ape named "ALDO" in his city,
    somewhere...

    ... and, indeed, such an ape must have been found. A chimpanzee. And
    Breck must have gone out of his way to ACQUIRE that ape. He probably
    purchased it from its owner, reimbursing the man for the price he'd
    spent at the auction.

    And Breck, then, has in his possession a chimpanzee named "Aldo".
    Perhaps he then tried to test it, to see whether or not it could
    speak English... to see if THIS "Aldo" might potentially be the ape
    Cornelius spoke so proudly of, back in 1973.

    Whether or not this chimpanzee named Aldo could speak is irrelevant.
    He must have DIED after suffering the brutalizing at the South Plaza.
    Breck's ape slave is dead... and Breck needs to REPLACE him.

    THAT'S WHY HE GOES TO THE AUCTION. To buy a replacement slave. He
    buys another chimpanzee, for $1,500. And he revives an old tradition
    of his wife's, and lets THIS ape name himself, by randomly choosing a
    page from a book and stabbing a finger down. His new slave chimp goes
    out of his way to 'randomly' pick out his OWN name -- the name only
    Armando knows about -- the name "CAESAR".

    Thus, Breck no longer owns an ape named "Aldo" -- and IF Mankind
    should still have to worry about an ape named "Aldo" down the road,
    it must be some OTHER ape, an ape given the name that the deceased
    former chimp slave once had.

    It is no coincidence that Breck owned an ape named "Aldo" prior to
    purchasing Caesar at auction. He was aware of the NEAR-FUTURE
    potential of Man's downfall. He's paranoid about it from the first
    time we see him, when he, Kolp, Hoskyns, & MacDonald question
    Armando. He went out of his way to acquire the chimp Aldo from its
    previous owner because of the famous line:

    "Keep your friends close... and your ENEMIES closer."

    Breck knows the timeframe Cornelius and Zira gave Hasslein has
    already proven to be bogus -- because Apes became enslaved in less
    than a decade after the Plague, rather than 200 years afterwards.
    He's paranoid about the prospect of Man's downfall -- which is why he
    acquired Aldo, to keep an eye on him in case HE should be THE Aldo
    that Cornelius spoke of. Perhaps he would've gone out of his way to
    flag any FUTURE ape named Aldo if it hadn't been for the sudden
    appearance -- and DISAPPEARANCE -- of Armando's circus chimp, who had
    been heard to shout out "Lousy human bastards!" during that Labor
    demonstration. The arrival of a TALKING APE -- owned by Armando, who
    was in the Los Angeles vicinity back in 1973, when the Ape-onauts
    were on-the-run -- leads him to speculate that somehow the baby Zira
    gave birth to was SWITCHED with a chimp baby from his circus...

    Thus, he no longer has to worry about an ape named "Aldo" -- he now
    suspects that Cornelius and Zira were throwing Hasslein off-the-scent
    in order to protect their own child. And they surely wouldn't have
    named their own child to Hasslein -- guaranteeing its immediate
    destruction. If Cornelius had mentioned "an ape named Caesar", then
    Breck would've had his newly-purchased slave tortured into talking
    immediately after he chose that name out of the book.

    Breck knows that the 500-year timeframe was bogus. It's time you
    other Changed-Timeliners realized it, too!

    Patrick Michael Tilton
    EARTH-TIME 12-13-2005
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
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    > Yes Patrick but he did not have EVIDENCE that they had been
    speaking English for 1000s of years! It was more likely an answer
    based on teachings of his faith, rather than based on his scientific
    evidence.
    >
    > What you are saying is, if they has gone back 10 minutes instead of
    2000 years, they could make love to themselves! That's just WRONG
    Patrick and you are WICKED to even allow such a thing! SHAME ON
    YOU!!! :-)
    >
    > Michael

    *** Wrong, Mike. Cornelius DID have evidence that Apes had been
    speaking English for "nearly two thousand years" -- he'd read
    the "SECRET SCROLLS", the "history scrolls kept hidden from the
    masses", the scrolls that PRE-DATED the Sacred Scrolls. Scrolls that
    told the story of the Downfall of Man that occurred in
    their "prehistory". Their HISTORY -- their society's OFFICIAL
    history -- begins only 1,200 years before "PLANET" and "BENEATH",
    when the Lawgiver's SACRED SCROLLS were written. Cornelius' artifacts
    date back to the late 20th Century ["... thirteen hundred years..."
    and then "another seven hundred years" before the Present of 3955], a
    time Zaius refers to as when "the Ancients [supposedly] kept Humans
    as household pets".

    Cornelius isn't PRETENDING that those "Secret Scrolls" exist -- we
    KNOW they exist because virtually EVERYTHING he and Zira tell
    Hasslein about the Fall of Man (etc) is derived from them. The ONLY
    thing he lies about is the DURATION of the time when Apes were kept
    as Pets -- two centuries, rather than the TRUE timeframe of only
    about two years -- and the only thing Zira lies about is the duration
    of the NEXT period of time, when Apes endured Slavery for "three more
    centuries" prior to turning the tables on Man, rather than the TRUE
    timeframe of only about "3 more YEARS". They know that an ape
    named "Aldo" will appear on the scene during the turning-the-tables
    Ape Revolt -- and the world didn't have to wait 500 years for it to
    happen. It happened only five YEARS after Apes were taken as Pets,
    instead, and TWO apes named "Aldo" appear -- the chimpanzee that
    Breck purchased (probably from a previous owner) prior to buying
    Caesar at that auction, and the LATER ape, a gorilla, who ends up
    murdering Caesar's son.

    Cornelius and Zira DID read "history scrolls kept hidden from the
    masses" -- kept hidden by Zaius, who bought their silence about the
    Terrible Secret by not putting them on trial for Heresy after all,
    and by granting them exclusive access to scrolls that he had been
    guarding ever since HIS father had bequeathed them to him, as their
    ancestors had handed down this Terrible Secret throughout the nearly
    20 centuries since Man's downfall. And those scrolls -- more ancient
    than the 1,200-year-old SACRED SCROLLS -- are written in ENGLISH,
    quoting the Epic Hero CAESAR in the language he himself spoke.
    ENGLISH. Nearly two thousands years prior to 3955.

    The Ape-onauts didn't -- and COULDN'T -- go back only 10 minutes and
    make love to themselves, Mike. That may work for David Gerrold's
    protagonist in "THE MAN WHO FOLDED HIMSELF", but it doesn't work for
    the Ape-onauts. In my scenario, the only reason the Ape-onauts go
    back to late-1973 (rather than to some LATER or EARLIER time) is
    because when the EARTH-TIME clock clicked backwards, during the
    Timewarp, it must have been programmed to STOP clicking backwards
    when the date on it equalled the date on the SHIP-TIME clock.
    Taylor's Orion Mission left Earth in mid-January of 1972 and the ship
    (s) experiened 18 months of SHIP-TIME before they all landed in the
    Forbidden Zone (Taylor in Dead Lake, Brent in the desert, and the
    THIRD ship on the seaboard). It was then a number of weeks after
    Taylor's capture and regaining of his voice in Ape City before the
    Tribunal session. It was another couple of weeks, probably, before
    Taylor detonates the Bomb. "ESCAPE" takes place in late 1973, a month
    before Armando's circus is to go to its winter quarters. It's the
    AUTUMN of 1973, 18 months plus "weeks" plus some more weeks after
    Taylor's launch on ~14 or 15 January 1972.

    The EARTH-TIME clock, then, was programmed to STOP clicking backwards
    if its date matched the SHIP-TIME date, and this automatically shut
    down the ship's propulsion system -- making the spacetime-warping
    properties of the ANSA engine cut off abruptly -- popping them back
    into the flow of Time from Present-to-Future.

    Patrick Michael Tilton
    EARTH-TIME 12-13-2005
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    Group: potadg Message: 34028 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/13/2005
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
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    > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
    > <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
    > > I'm more concerned with the dialogue between Milo and Cornelius.
    How can Milo have been informing Cornelius about "flying machines" at
    this point
    >
    > -- It all depends just when this conversation takes place. As you
    will see from this page it is after C & Z's heresy trial and
    Cornelius has had time to come to terms with Taylor arriving in a
    flying machine.
    >
    > Neil
    >

    *** Oh, okay... gotcha.

    So, Milo and the newlyweds are now gonna go to this Mutant museum of
    ANSA ships and presumably fly one of 'em up into orbit. How does this
    reconcile with the President's line about the gull-wing-hatched ship
    being "the one commanded by Colonel Taylor"? Taylor's ship sank into
    Dead Lake, right? Did the Mutants dredge it up from the bottom, put
    it into their ANSA ship museum, fix it, and leave it there for Milo
    to find, then? Did the Mutants put the new hatch on it, cutting into
    the roof to make it a gull-wing type? Did THEY rejigger the ship so
    that it no longer has hibernation chambers?

    You monkeys still got some 'splainin' to do!

    Patrick
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    Group: potadg Message: 34029 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2005
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    Your check is in the Mail T!  J

     

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    Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 7:06 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #40

     

    In a message dated 12/12/2005 8:10:27 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

    Hey T, I have just checked on the DG Photos Group and the reason that you may not have been receiving the invites is because you already are a member of the group apparently.

     

    Neil

     

    Are you given me the Double Talk?

    Well the last one worked, and I am Blown Away!

    The artwork is better than ever and the story

    keeps getting better end better as it goes.

    Those new guys will have to work awfully

    hard to top this.  I cant wait for the next

    installment.  This is the best POTA comic

    ever!

     


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    Hi Patrick.

     

    Hmmm….don’t want to give TOO much away BUT…..

     

    …..what  I would suggest, without ever really making a scenario, is that it COULD now be possible for Milo to come across Taylor ’s ship (on the eastern seaboard?) and use some functional parts of it to complete a ship he and his robot buddy have been playing with.

     

    There is not much time between Planet and Beneath if you ask me so if Milo does find this ship he must already be an expert on ANSA craft!

     

    Now I don’t WANT to explain how it got resurrected from under the ocean, but yes the mutants MAY have done so.  With the technology Milo now has, HE may do so.   Hell, there might be ANOTHER human culture that has the technology to raise the ship.

     

    Now that I (or that bloody Neil!) introduced the robot, well it isn’t actually TOO much of a stretch to leave the little bugger to build an ESCAPE ship from what he has.  He’s not just cute, he’s CLEVER!

     

    What I would like to do here (other than giving you guys something to fill the void of POTA non-existence until now!) is offer something that leads people closer to tangible alternatives, without squashing existing canon.

     

    Patrick, I respect your quest to explain everything, but I would prefer to explain little and allow people to look at alternatives.

     

    But what I really, really need to do now is complete GOING HOME and map the next two comics in the trilogy, then I think we might lay that to rest for a while an look at a whole new Conquest (that could, if squeezed, pop in place before Planet).  The more I think about it though, the less I would be trying to squeeze it too much to fit because PLANET is due for a respectful and genuine re-imagining anyway.

     

    Yikes I just committed blasphemy!

     

    Hey but no Marky Mark……

     

    Mikey Mike

     

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    Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2005 11:12 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

     

    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
    >
    > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
    > <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
    > > I'm more concerned with the dialogue between Milo and Cornelius.
    How can Milo have been informing Cornelius about "flying machines" at
    this point

    > -- It all depends just when this conversation takes place. As you
    will see from this page it is after C & Z's heresy trial and
    Cornelius has had time to come to terms with Taylor arriving in a
    flying machine.
    >   
    > Neil
    >

    *** Oh, okay... gotcha.

    So, Milo and the newlyweds are now gonna go to this Mutant museum of
    ANSA ships and presumably fly one of 'em up into orbit. How does this
    reconcile with the President's line about the gull-wing-hatched ship
    being "the one commanded by Colonel Taylor"? Taylor's ship sank into
    Dead Lake, right? Did the Mutants dredge it up from the bottom, put
    it into their ANSA ship museum, fix it, and leave it there for Milo
    to find, then? Did the Mutants put the new hatch on it, cutting into
    the roof to make it a gull-wing type? Did THEY rejigger the ship so
    that it no longer has hibernation chambers?

    You monkeys still got some 'splainin' to do!

    Patrick


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    Group: potadg Message: 34031 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
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    In a message dated 12/13/2005 6:35:21 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
    Your check is in the Mail T!  J
     
    I'm just speaking the truth. The apes and the people
    look like the actors!  And the story is exploring those
    burning questions.  What happened between the films?
    This is what I wish those crap comics in the 70's were!
     
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    Group: potadg Message: 34032 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/13/2005
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      Very cool! I wonder where this is all leading?


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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
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      > Very cool! I wonder where this is all leading?

      To many more adventurous chapters I hope!! :)
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      Group: potadg Message: 34034 From: ron kenner Date: 12/13/2005
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      is there a way i can print off all the chapters and enjoy them at home?

      Steve <ironman1188@...> wrote:
      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Chris Hight <snickertown@y...> wrote:
      >
      > Very cool! I wonder where this is all leading?

      To many more adventurous chapters I hope!! :)







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      Group: potadg Message: 34035 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/13/2005
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      In a message dated 12/13/2005 2:53:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:
      is there a way i can print off all the chapters and enjoy them at home?
       
      All kinds of ways.  You can save it as an image and print.
      Or download it as a PDF and click on the printer icon and
      it'll walk you through that.  I'm sure there are more.  Anyone?
       
       
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        Group: potadg Message: 34038 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
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        .html.html In a message dated 12/13/05 3:14:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:


        Breck knows that the 500-year timeframe was bogus. It's time you
        other Changed-Timeliners realized it, too!

        Patrick Michael Tilton
        EARTH-TIME 12-13-2005


        The only thing around here that's bogus IS YOU!

        -- Rory
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        Group: potadg Message: 34039 From: veetus@earthlink.net Date: 12/13/2005
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           Jackson did try to do an "Apes" film - - he was Roddy's choice - - but Fox wouldn't let him until it was too late. He's not going to do one now. He's too big to follow in Burton's footsteps. But the new "King Kong" should be enough to make POTA2001 roll over in it's grave. - - - Jeff
         
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        In a message dated 12/12/05 7:42:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:


        In a message dated 12/12/2005 2:17:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, ironman1188@... writes:

        Dare we even hope that Jackson would do an Apes film???




        I dunno, but I sure wish he'd done the last one.
        Maybe he'd have had them do some rewrites on that script!


        Even if he just produced it, it would be better than anything anyone else at Fox could come up with.

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        Group: potadg Message: 34040 From: PofTAfan@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
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                 I would like to disagree. The executives at Fox studios would have to be complete idiots not having Peter Jackson doing a new POTA movie.  If, or when King Kong turns out to be a blockbuster in the theatres and brings in a lot of money for Universal,  the executives at Fox should be knocking down Jackson's door and giving him complete control of a new Apes movie. I have no doubt that Jackson loves the Apes and might have been disappointed with the Tim Burton attempt.  After Kong breaks the box office record in the first week, I hope that Fox makes Jackson an offer to do Apes. I agree with you about Peter wanted to do an Apes film, but he wasn't chosen, but after the successes with the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and now with King Kong. Fox doesn't have a choice.
         
        Kevin
        PofTAfan
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        Group: potadg Message: 34041 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/13/2005
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        That’s if he still WANTS to do it…….

         

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        Sent: Wednesday, 14 December 2005 4:22 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Jackson Loves Apes

         

                 I would like to disagree. The executives at Fox studios would have to be complete idiots not having Peter Jackson doing a new POTA movie.  If, or when King Kong turns out to be a blockbuster in the theatres and brings in a lot of money for Universal,  the executives at Fox should be knocking down Jackson's door and giving him complete control of a new Apes movie. I have no doubt that Jackson loves the Apes and might have been disappointed with the Tim Burton attempt.  After Kong breaks the box office record in the first week, I hope that Fox makes Jackson an offer to do Apes. I agree with you about Peter wanted to do an Apes film, but he wasn't chosen, but after the successes with the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy and now with King Kong. Fox doesn't have a choice.

         

        Kevin

        PofTAfan

         


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        Group: potadg Message: 34042 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/13/2005
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        .html.html In a message dated 12/13/2005 11:43:18 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:


               
        That's if he still WANTS to do it…….




        It'd be a good guess that he'd at least be interested... Anyone with APES mannequins in his hallway just might be interested...  
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        Group: potadg Message: 34043 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/14/2005
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        In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:10:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
           Jackson did try to do an "Apes" film - - he was Roddy's choice - - but Fox wouldn't let him until it was too late. He's not going to do one now.
         
        This just goes to prove my theory . . .
         
        ZIRA: "But what about your theory?"
         
        I'm telling them!  My theory is this . . .
        The Suits in Hollywood are not only some of the dumbest assholes on the planet, they are also some of the most arrogant.  Why else would you keep hearing story after story of some of the best movies of our generation sitting in Pre-production Hell waiting to be Greenlit while Hollywood continues to crank out Stinkburger after Stinkburger? 
         
        My theory further states that of all the dumb assholes there the guys over at Fox are the biggest bastards of the bunch!  SO much so that it never ceases to amaze me when they turn out a single good movie at all much less some of the best.  Kind of like the Three Musketeers, or POTA for that matter being written by a Frenchman. 
         
        I just hope if they ever call one of my movies "Not worth the filmstock we'd have to print it on"  that the IMDB has a search criteria listing by Studio so that I can say, "Oh you mean like . . ." and start reading the list of films that they've made that suck!  And the fact that they dragged their feet about making POTA -- the little picture that saved their bacon and pulled their fat out of the fire --  not to mix to many metaphors -- after they nearly lost their Ass, Hats & Spats making Cleopatra!  Whereby I'll proceed to chase them out of the boardroom and down the hall with a Tazer and a Gorillabilly until they agree to the budget I originally asked for.  Miserable Bastards!
         
        ZIRA:  "I've done that too Dear, And Worse!"
         
        The thing about these human slugs on rocks, and their lesser cousins the Record Executive, the slime under the rock, is that in any other industry in business they'd never work again.  Where as if They get fired, the go across town and start working for another studio, or label.  It's time for some Entertainment Industry reform!  "
         
        ZIRA: "We have heads as well as Hands!"
         
        Yeah, That's right!  And Neil is Both!
         
        ZIRA:  "I call on Fox to let us use them!"
         
        Here here!  And not before time too.  I'll start on the script tomorrow.  Well, day after the day after tomorrow.  It's Finals Week!
         
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        Group: potadg Message: 34044 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/14/2005
        Subject: Marvel UK Issue 61
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        Here it is, the penultimate chapter in Marvel's adaptation of Escape From the Planet of the Apes. The suspense ramps up leading to next week's exciting conclusion! Will Hasslein succeed in his quest to safeguard man's future at the cost of the lives of three innocent apes?
         
        Letter column fans will be excited to see the return of their favorite feature this week. As an added bonus there is a photo of Zira and baby Milo that you can print out and drop in to your Christmas cards before you send them out to friends and family.
         
         
        Greg
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        Group: potadg Message: 34045 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
        Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
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        In a message dated 12/14/2005 3:52:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:
        In a message dated 12/13/2005 9:10:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:
           Jackson did try to do an "Apes" film - - he was Roddy's choice - - but Fox wouldn't let him until it was too late. He's not going to do one now.
         
        This just goes to prove my theory . . .
         
        ZIRA: "But what about your theory?"
         
        I'm telling them!  My theory is this . . .
        The Suits in Hollywood are not only some of the dumbest assholes on the planet, they are also some of the most arrogant.  Why else would you keep hearing story after story of some of the best movies of our generation sitting in Pre-production Hell waiting to be Greenlit while Hollywood continues to crank out Stinkburger after Stinkburger? 
         
        My theory further states that of all the dumb assholes there the guys over at Fox are the biggest bastards of the bunch!  SO much so that it never ceases to amaze me when they turn out a single good movie at all much less some of the best.  Kind of like the Three Musketeers, or POTA for that matter being written by a Frenchman. 
         
        I just hope if they ever call one of my movies "Not worth the filmstock we'd have to print it on"  that the IMDB has a search criteria listing by Studio so that I can say, "Oh you mean like . . ." and start reading the list of films that they've made that suck!  And the fact that they dragged their feet about making POTA -- the little picture that saved their bacon and pulled their fat out of the fire --  not to mix to many metaphors -- after they nearly lost their Ass, Hats & Spats making Cleopatra!  Whereby I'll proceed to chase them out of the boardroom and down the hall with a Tazer and a Gorillabilly until they agree to the budget I originally asked for.  Miserable Bastards!
         
        ZIRA:  "I've done that too Dear, And Worse!"
         
        The thing about these human slugs on rocks, and their lesser cousins the Record Executive, the slime under the rock, is that in any other industry in business they'd never work again.  Where as if They get fired, the go across town and start working for another studio, or label.  It's time for some Entertainment Industry reform!  "
         
        ZIRA: "We have heads as well as Hands!"
         
        Yeah, That's right!  And Neil is Both!
         
        ZIRA:  "I call on Fox to let us use them!"
         
        Here here!  And not before time too.  I'll start on the script tomorrow.  Well, day after the day after tomorrow.  It's Finals Week!
         


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          Group: potadg Message: 34048 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Marvel UK Issue 61
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:
          >
          > Here it is, the penultimate chapter in Marvel's adaptation of Escape
          From the Planet of the Apes. The suspense ramps up leading to next
          week's exciting conclusion! Will Hasslein succeed in his quest to
          safeguard man's future at the cost of the lives of three innocent apes?
          >
          > Letter column fans will be excited to see the return of their
          favorite feature this week. As an added bonus there is a photo of Zira
          and baby Milo that you can print out and drop in to your Christmas
          cards before you send them out to friends and family.

          Thanks Greg.

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34049 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
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          .html I feel sorry for the gorillas. Elaine<.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 34050 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
          .html
          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
          <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
          > Cornelius and Zira DID read "history scrolls kept hidden from the
          masses" -- kept hidden by Zaius, who bought their silence about the
          Terrible Secret by not putting them on trial for Heresy after all,
          and by granting them exclusive access to scrolls that he had been
          guarding ever since HIS father had bequeathed them to him

          -- Is this from somewhere in the movies or is this from your take on
          the saga Patrick? Its just that I don't remember hearing this but that
          could just be because of my failing memory.

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34051 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
          > Now that I (or that bloody Neil!) introduced the robot, well it
          isnt actually TOO much of a stretch to leave the little bugger to
          build an ESCAPE ship from what he has. Hes not just cute, hes
          CLEVER!

          -- And who is to say that he is the only robot? Where there is one
          there is the possibility of another... and another... and another...

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34052 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:
          > I feel sorry for the gorillas. Elaine

          -- What? those thick skulled brutes? ;-)

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34053 From: Neil Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Jackson Loves Apes
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:
          > It'd be a good guess that he'd at least be interested... Anyone with
          APES mannequins in his hallway just might be interested...

          -- If he did make the next POTA movie he would probably make a fair
          bit of it in New Zealand which means Mr Whitty and I could hop on a
          plane for the quick trip over there and offer our services as extras!

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34054 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
          .html
          .html.html In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

          -- Is this from somewhere in the movies or is this from your take on
          the saga Patrick? Its just that I don't remember hearing this but that
          could just be because of my failing memory.


          He made it up Neil... No place in PLANET or BENEATH does it mention that Zaius had a father that "bequeathed" any Scrolls to him... If anything, the Scrolls in question would have been guarded by the other orangutans in charge before Zaius came to power... There's not even a shred of evidence that Zaius's father was in power... He may have just been an "every day" orangutan... Just because Zaius is in power doesn't mean his father was or any of his other relatives...
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          Group: potadg Message: 34055 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...
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          NooooooOOOOooooooOOOOOoooO!!!!!

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
          Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 1:50 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

           

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
          > Now that I (or that bloody Neil!) introduced the robot, well it
          isnt actually TOO much of a stretch to leave the little bugger to
          build an ESCAPE ship from what he has.  Hes not just cute, hes
          CLEVER!

          -- And who is to say that he is the only robot? Where there is one
          there is the possibility of another... and another... and another...

          Neil






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          Group: potadg Message: 34056 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/14/2005
          Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
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          They are a bit pathetic, though…  ;)

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
          Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 1:53 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42

           

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
          > I feel sorry for the gorillas. Elaine

          -- What? those thick skulled brutes? ;-)

          Neil


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          Group: potadg Message: 34057 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...
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          Well now... I'm going to have to rethink my spiking of the Apes story in which Zaius fights the robot cheerleader chimp squad.  Apparently robots are more trouble on the Planet of the Apes than I originally feared. 

          Anyway...

          I have a request of you guys with apes on the brain and this is just the most recent email in my box...forgive me if it's in the wrong place.

          COULD YOU Let me have it with all ya got about the Lawgiver.  I'll be writing a short script with the Lawgiver as a main character in the next couple of days, and I don't want to step on the toes of previous continuity.   I already  have the plot in place, by the way, but I need to know what details of his life I should and shouldn't include, and what details most need filling in...

          As much as I know:



          The Lawgiver is a fairly mysterious quasi-religious character, hinted at more than explicitly scrutinized for the first four movies.  I know we get to see him telling children (human and ape alike) the story of Caesar as a framing sequence in Battle, and that he's mentioned primarily as mythological founder of ape society up until then...like Washington and Moses mixed together. I assume he lives many years, decades, or even centuries after Caesar, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

          Is there more than one Lawgiver?  Was it a title accorded a number of apes, yet only one became the basic model?  Like a judge become so famous, history calles him THE Judge...? Is that, in fact specified, or possible conjecture?

          I'm sure there's much Lawgiver lore in the TV series, which I confess to not being an expert on...is there much else about the lawgiver I need to know before I use him as a character? 

          Again, I'm not looking for suggestions on what to do with him in a story (that part's in place) merely as best an existing biography of this historical ape would be MOST MOST welcome.

          Ty the Guy.  Clearly willing to use you as slave labour, and thanking you abjectly in the meantime.


          PS:  Couldja mention lawgiver in the title of any posts to alert me to em?





          On 12/14/05, Michael Whitty < whitty@...> wrote:

          NooooooOOOOooooooOOOOOoooO!!!!!

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
          Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 1:50 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

           

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
          > Now that I (or that bloody Neil!) introduced the robot, well it
          isnt actually TOO much of a stretch to leave the little bugger to
          build an ESCAPE ship from what he has.  Hes not just cute, hes
          CLEVER!

          -- And who is to say that he is the only robot? Where there is one
          there is the possibility of another... and another... and another...

          Neil







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          Group: potadg Message: 34058 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
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          In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:00:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:
          In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

          -- Is this from somewhere in the movies or is this from your take on
          the saga Patrick? Its just that I don't remember hearing this but that
          could just be because of my failing memory.


          He made it up Neil... No place in PLANET or BENEATH does it mention that Zaius had a father that "bequeathed" any Scrolls to him... If anything, the Scrolls in question would have been guarded by the other orangutans in charge before Zaius came to power... There's not even a shred of evidence that Zaius's father was in power... He may have just been an "every day" orangutan... Just because Zaius is in power doesn't mean his father was or any of his other relatives...


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          Group: potadg Message: 34059 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Timelines...and MORE new WITHIN!?!??!
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          In a message dated 12/15/2005 3:41:45 AM Pacific Standard Time, taebokitti@... writes:
          In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:00:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:
          In a message dated 12/14/2005 8:47:27 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

          -- Is this from somewhere in the movies or is this from your take on
          the saga Patrick? Its just that I don't remember hearing this but that
          could just be because of my failing memory.


          He made it up Neil... No place in PLANET or BENEATH does it mention that Zaius had a father that "bequeathed" any Scrolls to him... If anything, the Scrolls in question would have been guarded by the other orangutans in charge before Zaius came to power... There's not even a shred of evidence that Zaius's father was in power... He may have just been an "every day" orangutan... Just because Zaius is in power doesn't mean his father was or any of his other relatives...
               Pota is a patriarchal society so  positions of power maybe handed down from father to son. Elaine 

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          Group: potadg Message: 34060 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #42
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          In a message dated 12/14/2005 6:57:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:
          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
          > I feel sorry for the gorillas. Elaine

          -- What? those thick skulled brutes? ;-)

          Neil


          I am not a mutant fan. Go gorillas! Elaine


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          Group: potadg Message: 34061 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: The Lawgiver
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          .html I get the impression the Lawgiver is viewed mostly as a teacher and theologian. He is the moral guide for simian society. Elaine<.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 34062 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          OK ¡V the LAWGIVER.

          First, let me say the objective of having a CHAT GROUP is precisely
          this ¡V to offer facts and food for thought re POTA. Slave Labour?
          Well, if it is then whip me! ļ Honoured to help! And speaking of
          robots¡K.ever stop to think how close TERMINATOR is to POTA?

          As much as I am a fan, I am not the type of fan who can quote many
          lines. I do not know if there is much EVIDENCE about the lawgiver
          but I can bet Rory or Cougar or others can offer text from the
          movies.

          Trivia ¡V the group recently hypothesised that the lawgiver statue is
          based on an EARLY makeup that you can see in the POTA Trading
          cards. Neil of Greg ¡V wanna help me out graphically here?

          I see the lawgiver as the ape GOD. It seems to me if you substitute
          the word GOD for LAWGIVER in almost every sentence I recall, it
          makes sense. I seem to recall a line where ¡§apes are made in the
          image of the lawgiver¡¨. However PROTEUS was mentioned too¡K..help me
          out here guys!

          Now, it is also important to think about this friendly lawgiver
          chappy in BATTLE. He sure as hell does NOT seem to be the same ape
          who wrote what he is said to have written ¡V he¡¦s chummy as hell with
          the humans! Unless he is betrayed by humans and turns, his presence
          supports the ¡§changed timeline¡¨ theory¡K¡Kie evidence that he is NOT
          the same lawgiver referred to in all other movies. Also there is a
          CAESAR statue at the conclusion of BATTLE¡K¡Knot a LAWGIVER statue.
          Again ¡V is this suggesting a change? Or is it simply leaving us
          hanging for a cool story to show how this NICE lawgiver changed to a
          HUMAN HATER who maybe destroys all records of CAESAR because Caesar
          was nice to humans???

          Anyhoo¡K..back to the scriptures¡K..I mean SCRIPT! Anyone here got a
          collection of quotes please?

          More than one lawgiver ¡V I don¡¦t think so but I don¡¦t see why it
          would be IMPOSSIBLE to claim so (shoot me down lads!).

          Michael

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
          Behalf Of Ty Templeton
          Sent: Thursday, 15 December 2005 9:27 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

          Well now... I'm going to have to rethink my spiking of the Apes
          story in which Zaius fights the robot cheerleader chimp squad.
          Apparently robots are more trouble on the Planet of the Apes than I
          originally feared.

          Anyway...

          I have a request of you guys with apes on the brain and this is just
          the most recent email in my box...forgive me if it's in the wrong
          place.

          COULD YOU Let me have it with all ya got about the Lawgiver. I'll
          be writing a short script with the Lawgiver as a main character in
          the next couple of days, and I don't want to step on the toes of
          previous continuity. I already have the plot in place, by the
          way, but I need to know what details of his life I should and
          shouldn't include, and what details most need filling in...

          As much as I know:



          The Lawgiver is a fairly mysterious quasi-religious character,
          hinted at more than explicitly scrutinized for the first four
          movies. I know we get to see him telling children (human and ape
          alike) the story of Caesar as a framing sequence in Battle, and that
          he's mentioned primarily as mythological founder of ape society up
          until then...like Washington and Moses mixed together. I assume he
          lives many years, decades, or even centuries after Caesar, but I'm
          willing to be proven wrong.

          Is there more than one Lawgiver? Was it a title accorded a number
          of apes, yet only one became the basic model? Like a judge become
          so famous, history calles him THE Judge...? Is that, in fact
          specified, or possible conjecture?

          I'm sure there's much Lawgiver lore in the TV series, which I
          confess to not being an expert on...is there much else about the
          lawgiver I need to know before I use him as a character?

          Again, I'm not looking for suggestions on what to do with him in a
          story (that part's in place) merely as best an existing biography of
          this historical ape would be MOST MOST welcome.

          Ty the Guy. Clearly willing to use you as slave labour, and
          thanking you abjectly in the meantime.


          PS: Couldja mention lawgiver in the title of any posts to alert me
          to em?
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          Group: potadg Message: 34063 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:20:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
          ¡K¡
          and this one too.  ???
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 34064 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          What is this >   ¡V 
           
          and this >         ƒº
           
          No comprende amigo
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 34065 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:20:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
          However PROTEUS was mentioned too¡K..help me
          out here guys!
           
          Do you not remember your scripture?
          And Proteus chained the upright beast
          to a tree and the children did make
          sport of him.
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 34066 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Re: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:20:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
          I see the lawgiver as the ape GOD.  It seems to me if you substitute
          the word GOD for LAWGIVER in almost every sentence I recall, it
          makes sense. 
           
          I'd almost buy that.  Perhaps an incarnation of God like Jesus.
          Or some other divine being i.e. Buddha.  Or God's earthly
          spokesman, like Moses, or the pope.  I think just the
          title Lawgiver sums it up pretty well.  He is the Giver
          Of The Law.  I guess the apes decided what he said
          goes.  You'd have to be a guy like one of the above
          for them to build their whole society's laws around.
           
           
           
           
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          Group: potadg Message: 34067 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
          Subject: Lawgiver for Ty....
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          FOR SOME REASON THE LAST EMAIL I SENT HAD ALL CRAZY STUUF WHERE I PLACE COLONS AND COMMAS SO HERE!

           

           

           

          OK – the LAWGIVER.

           

          First, let me say the objective of having a CHAT GROUP is precisely this – to offer facts and food for thought re POTA.  Slave Labour?  Well, if it is then whip me!  J  Honoured to help!  And speaking of robots….ever stop to think how close TERMINATOR is to POTA?

           

          As much as I am a fan, I am not the type of fan who can quote many lines.  I do not know if there is much EVIDENCE about the lawgiver but I can bet Rory or Cougar or others can offer text from the movies.

           

          Trivia – the group recently hypothesised that the lawgiver statue is based on an EARLY makeup that you can see in the POTA Trading cards.  Neil of Greg – wanna help me out graphically here?

           

          I see the lawgiver as the ape GOD.  It seems to me if you substitute the word GOD for LAWGIVER in almost every sentence I recall, it makes sense.  I seem to recall a line where “apes are made in the image of the lawgiver”.  However PROTEUS was mentioned too…..help me out here guys!

          Now, it is also important to think about this friendly lawgiver chappy in
          BATTLE.  He sure as hell does NOT seem to be the same ape who wrote what he is said to have written – he’s chummy as hell with the humans!  Unless he is betrayed by humans and turns, his presence supports the “changed timeline” theory……ie evidence that he is NOT the same lawgiver referred to in all other movies.  Also not that there is a CAESAR statue at the conclusion of BATTLE ……not a LAWGIVER statue.   Again – is this suggesting a change?  Or is it simply leaving us with a cool story to show how this NICE lawgiver changed to a HUMAN HATER who maybe smashes all statues of CAESAR because Caesar was nice to humans???

           

          Anyhoo …..back to the scriptures…..I mean SCRIPT!  Anyone here got a collection of quotes please?

           

          More than one lawgiver – I don’t think so but I don’t see why it would be IMPOSSIBLE to claim so (shoot me down lads!).

           



          Michael

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
          Sent:
          Thursday, 15 December 2005 9:27 PM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

           

          Well now... I'm going to have to rethink my spiking of the Apes story in which Zaius fights the robot cheerleader chimp squad.  Apparently robots are more trouble on the Planet of the Apes than I originally feared. 

          Anyway...

          I have a request of you guys with apes on the brain and this is just the most recent email in my box...forgive me if it's in the wrong place.

          COULD YOU Let me have it with all ya got about the Lawgiver.  I'll be writing a short script with the Lawgiver as a main character in the next couple of days, and I don't want to step on the toes of previous continuity.   I already  have the plot in place, by the way, but I need to know what details of his life I should and shouldn't include, and what details most need filling in...

          As much as I know:



          The Lawgiver is a fairly mysterious quasi-religious character, hinted at more than explicitly scrutinized for the first four movies.  I know we get to see him telling children (human and ape alike) the story of Caesar as a framing sequence in Battle, and that he's mentioned primarily as mythological founder of ape society up until then...like Washington and Moses mixed together. I assume he lives many years, decades, or even centuries after Caesar, but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

          Is there more than one Lawgiver?  Was it a title accorded a number of apes, yet only one became the basic model?  Like a judge become so famous, history calles him THE Judge...? Is that, in fact specified, or possible conjecture?

          I'm sure there's much Lawgiver lore in the TV series, which I confess to not being an expert on...is there much else about the lawgiver I need to know before I use him as a character? 

          Again, I'm not looking for suggestions on what to do with him in a story (that part's in place) merely as best an existing biography of this historical ape would be MOST MOST welcome.

          Ty the Guy.  Clearly willing to use you as slave labour, and thanking you abjectly in the meantime.


          PS:  Couldja mention lawgiver in the title of any posts to alert me to em?




          On 12/14/05, Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

          NooooooOOOOooooooOOOOOoooO!!!!!

           

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          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
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          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Timelines...

           

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          > Now that I (or that bloody Neil!) introduced the robot, well it
          isnt actually TOO much of a stretch to leave the little bugger to
          build an ESCAPE ship from what he has.  Hes not just cute, hes
          CLEVER!

          -- And who is to say that he is the only robot? Where there is one
          there is the possibility of another... and another... and another...

          Neil


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          In a message dated 12/15/2005 7:41:29 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:
          there is a CAESAR statue at the conclusion of BATTLE ……not a LAWGIVER statue.  Again – is this suggesting a change?
           
          Few public figures get a statue of them in their own lifetime.
          Here's a bit of statue trivia for you though.
          Whenever you see a statue of a soldier,
          if the horse feet are on the ground, he
          died a natural death.  if it is rearing,
          he died in battle.  And if only one
          foreleg is raised he was mortally
          wounded in battle.
           
           
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          Thanks guys (especially you Mike)!!

          Been so long since I've seen or even discussed anything POTA except
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          Although I'm looking forward to reading all the old threads and
          catching up!!

          Thanks again guys!!
          Paul
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            Group: potadg Message: 34072 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/15/2005
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            As far as I can recall the LAWGIVER was not mentioned very much at all – if ever – on the TV SHOW.  I know there are mini lawgivers on desks (well on at least), but other than lines that come off much like “Holy Lawgiver Batman!”, I don’t remember much else.

             

            Cougar, I know you would know…..chime in dude!  J

            Michael


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