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Group: potadg Message: 34273 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: King Kong review (Spoilers! Stay away,T!)
Group: potadg Message: 34274 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Caesar's Breeding Annex chimpette
Group: potadg Message: 34275 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Marvel UK issue 62
Group: potadg Message: 34276 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 62
Group: potadg Message: 34277 From: ron kenner Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34278 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34279 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #49
Group: potadg Message: 34280 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes - in shops next week
Group: potadg Message: 34281 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34282 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: VIVA LA Revolution on the Planet of the Apes - in shops next week
Group: potadg Message: 34283 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34284 From: ron kenner Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34285 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34286 From: Steve Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34287 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34288 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34289 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #50
Group: potadg Message: 34290 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34291 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34292 From: Neil Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
Group: potadg Message: 34293 From: Neil Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34294 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34295 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34296 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/22/2005
Subject: Birthday Reminder
Group: potadg Message: 34297 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34298 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34299 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34300 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #51
Group: potadg Message: 34301 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34302 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34303 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
Group: potadg Message: 34304 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
Group: potadg Message: 34305 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #50
Group: potadg Message: 34306 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Happy Holidays
Group: potadg Message: 34307 From: Anthony B. McElveen Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
Group: potadg Message: 34308 From: DONNA SPIRES Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: The Latest Within
Group: potadg Message: 34309 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/23/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
Group: potadg Message: 34310 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34311 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: potadg Message: 34312 From: DONNA SPIRES Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: potadg Message: 34313 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
Group: potadg Message: 34314 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34315 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: potadg Message: 34316 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
Group: potadg Message: 34317 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
Group: potadg Message: 34318 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34319 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34320 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #52
Group: potadg Message: 34321 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34322 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34323 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34324 From: hill19652000 Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34325 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
Group: potadg Message: 34326 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34327 From: Neil Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34328 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34329 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34330 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34331 From: Mithril1960@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas
Group: potadg Message: 34332 From: luke_the_drifter52 Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Last Within strip
Group: potadg Message: 34333 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: Last Within strip
Group: potadg Message: 34334 From: luke_the_drifter52 Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Merry Christmas POTA DG Members!
Group: potadg Message: 34335 From: John Date: 12/24/2005
Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34336 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
Group: potadg Message: 34337 From: branchbrood Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
Group: potadg Message: 34338 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
Group: potadg Message: 34339 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
Group: potadg Message: 34340 From: branchbrood Date: 12/25/2005
Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
Group: potadg Message: 34341 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
Group: potadg Message: 34342 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34343 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #53 to 56
Group: potadg Message: 34344 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDiscussionGroupphotos
Group: potadg Message: 34345 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!
Group: potadg Message: 34346 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
Subject: Outage Advisories
Group: potadg Message: 34347 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34348 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #57
Group: potadg Message: 34349 From: Neil Date: 12/27/2005
Subject: Re: Outage Advisories
Group: potadg Message: 34350 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Caesar's Breeding Annex chimpette
Group: potadg Message: 34351 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34352 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34353 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Thanks to Veetus
Group: potadg Message: 34354 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Marvel UK issue 63
Group: potadg Message: 34355 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
Group: potadg Message: 34356 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
Group: potadg Message: 34357 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34358 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
Group: potadg Message: 34359 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34360 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Jackaon
Group: potadg Message: 34361 From: ron kenner Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja
Group: potadg Message: 34362 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
Group: potadg Message: 34363 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #58
Group: potadg Message: 34364 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 63
Group: potadg Message: 34365 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
Group: potadg Message: 34366 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34367 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja
Group: potadg Message: 34368 From: Neil Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34369 From: John Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34370 From: Neil Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34371 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: King Kong 2005 (OT)
Group: potadg Message: 34372 From: John Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)



Group: potadg Message: 34273 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: King Kong review (Spoilers! Stay away,T!)
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.html.html Check out this review of Jackson's KONG, and NO, T, you can't read it.  It's only for those that have already seen the movie and especially those here that can't understand why I don't think the movie is so great!


-- Rory




Further down....



Down, down....


OK, here we go...

A Look at Peter Jackson's KING KONG! By Andy Dursin
www.andyfilm.com

Growing up in the '80s, I became a huge "King Kong" fan through repeated viewings of both the original 1933 RKO classic and its less-dignified, though still entertaining, 1976 remake. In between those decades, Kong resurfaced in a silly Rankin/Bass cartoon and an affiliated Toho Studios Japanese "Kaiju" spin-off -- not to mention his immortal battle with Godzilla in the early '60s.

Therefore, I have no problem at all with Peter Jackson remaking KING KONG for a new generation -- especially not when you see the loving care that Jackson applied to the remake: references to Fay Wray, Marian C. Cooper and RKO Pictures pop up early on. Later in the movie, Max Steiner's original '33 themes are performed by the pit orchestra as Kong is introduced to the city of New York (conducted by Howard Shore, whose original score to this version was tossed out at the last minute), while the goofy tribal dance from the Cooper-Schoedsack classic is reprised by dancers on-stage. The end credits even appear against a backdrop with the 1933 title card fonts -- elements all respectful of the filmmaking milestone that was the very first "King
Kong."

Naturally, Jackson's movie has the benefit of new technology behind it: this is a film packed with visual delights, from the authentic recreation of Depression-era NYC, to the amazing animation and "performance" of Kong himself. Articulated to a degree by Andy Serkis (Jackson's Gollum cohort) and marvelously rendered on-screen, this is a Kong that's a far cry from the stilted Rick Baker suit in Dino DeLaurentiis' 1976 remake and ranks with the most awe-inspiring technological achievements that special effects wizards have produced throughout the decades.

So, there's no problem at all with Jackson's new film, right? A remake respectful of its predecessor with sensational visuals ought to be something to be admired and savored for generations to come, no?

Sadly, not everything in Jackson's sprawling, overlong, three-hour (!) opus matches its good intentions and aesthetic qualities. This is a movie that plays like the kind of "Director's Cut" studios indulge filmmakers on DVD, bulging with superfluous details and side characters with no pay-off, and scene after scene that could have been sliced in half and been every bit as effective -- if not more so for their brevity.

Since the original movie's premise needs little introduction, it's best to dissect the alterations Jackson and his collaborators (writers Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens) have applied to this version. Here, leading man Jack Driscoll (Adrien Brody) is a playwright suckered into one of director Carl Denham's latest productions. Ann Darrow (Naomi Watts) is a down-on-her-luck actress seeking a way out of the Depression, and finds the opportunity of a lifetime despite the suspicious motives of Denham himself. All three, and a crew led by captain Thomas Kretschmann, find themselves on Skull Island, a prehistoric environment teeming with dinosaurs, giant insects, wild natives and one giant ape named Kong...

One of the first things you'll realize about Jackson's "King Kong" is that -- after a marvelous beginning in an early '30s Big Apple -- the film chugs along at a snail's pace. The journey to Skull Island finds Jackson spending minute after minute on extraneous side characters and details; unlike his "Lord of the Rings" adaptations, though, the source material here doesn't beg for a three-hour treatment, with one especially infuriating subplot involving Jamie Bell's young seaman and his older, wiser superior (Evan Parke). Their relationship doesn't add anything to the finished film, and could have been jettisoned without any detriment to the central drama.

Over a third of the movie is over before Kong appears, and naturally there are several "jackpot" set-pieces, including a brontosaurus stampede and a chase with raptors (and later, a pair of T-Rexes) not far behind. Regrettably, the movie then stalls out again with sequences that run on too long: the "spider pit" scene in particular is especially bloated (and atrociously spotted with inappropriate music from a mostly subdued, ultimately forgettable James Newton Howard soundtrack). Eventually, Jackson gets Ann, Jack and Denham off the island and back to New York, but even there, every scene feels several beats off-measure: the icy jaunt through Central Park with Ann and Kong is cute but ought to be over in half the time, and even the final battle on top of the Empire State Building (which Jackson wisely refrains from being overly bloody) leaves you feeling like you've watched each and every fly-over of the bi-planes that eventually take Kong down.

Between the bloated running time, over-reliance on side details and minor characters, what one is left with in "King Kong" is a film where the viewer ultimately has little interest in its heroes. Watts looks fetching and is effectively emotive in her encounters with the big ape, yet her scenes with Brody's Jack are confined to the first third of the movie -- something that detracts from any real chemistry between the two. Brody himself looks as if he could have made for a perfect "everyman" kind of hero, but the script doesn't give him nearly enough to do. Worst of all is Jack Black's Denham: the movie clearly didn't want to make him into the nefarious bad guy that Charles Grodin served up in the '76 version, and subsequently balances out some of the character's despicable behavior with comedic elements. Yet, he's still unhinged, and the film ultimately doesn't come down hard enough on him: his reading of the movie's final line rings false because it's still Denham in this version who's truly responsible for the tragedy of the final act.

By the time the would-be heart-tugging climax arrives, I felt more exhausted than moved by the 2005 "King Kong." This is a reverent and beautifully-made picture that nevertheless wears you down: after all the running, shooting, shaking camera and muddled characterizations, it becomes apparent that Jackson's movie left its heart somewhere between here and Skull Island. (**1/2, 187 mins., PG-13).

Wow!  Only 2 and a half stars!  I at least gave it three!



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Group: potadg Message: 34274 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/20/2005
Subject: Re: Caesar's Breeding Annex chimpette
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.html.html In a message dated 12/20/2005 3:54:04 AM Central Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

In John Jakes' novelization, he makes it clear that Caesar felt he
HAD to "do the deed" with this female chimp, despite the fact that he
found it degrading, because they were being WATCHED by the Breeding
Annex personnel, to make sure that the "insemination" occurred.


I thought the boks weren't "canon" to you? If that's so, then why even mention this?
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Group: potadg Message: 34275 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Marvel UK issue 62
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It's here! The shocking conclusion to Marvel's adaptation of Escape From the Planet of the Apes. An ending so filled with heart-wrenching emotion that they needed extra pages this week just to fit it all in. Not to worry letter column fans, those extra pages didn't crowd out your favorite feature. As an added bonus this week there is a full-page photo of Bradford Dillman and Natalie Trundy.
 
Next week we jump right in to the Conquest adaptation, with no Apesalyers or city-ships anywhere in sight.
 
 
Greg
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Group: potadg Message: 34276 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: Marvel UK issue 62
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Thanks again Greg....excellent work....How odd they
put Z&C in their human clothes!!
Tim

--- Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> It's here! The shocking conclusion to Marvel's
> adaptation of Escape From the Planet of the Apes. An
> ending so filled with heart-wrenching emotion that
> they needed extra pages this week just to fit it all
> in. Not to worry letter column fans, those extra
> pages didn't crowd out your favorite feature. As an
> added bonus this week there is a full-page photo of
> Bradford Dillman and Natalie Trundy.
>
> Next week we jump right in to the Conquest
> adaptation, with no Apesalyers or city-ships
> anywhere in sight.
>
> http://www.goatley.com/pota/
>
> Greg
>


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Group: potadg Message: 34277 From: ron kenner Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Re: ape warriors
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my friend sent this link to me; i dont know if it is true.
it might be somewhat OT, but it mentions POTA by name.
 
 
rob/ron



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Group: potadg Message: 34278 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
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Group: potadg Message: 34279 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/21/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #49
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    Group: potadg Message: 34280 From: Ty Templeton Date: 12/21/2005
    Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes - in shops next week
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    It's only one store in my neighborhood, but Revolution went on sale today, and flew off the shelves!

    WOO HOO! 

    The rest of the planet gets it next week.

    Ty

    PS:  All those asking about mail order copies of the book, try mile high comics, which has agreed to take on our series as a mail subscription service.

    Again Ty.  

    Let me know what you think of it when you get one, guys.



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    Group: potadg Message: 34281 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/21/2005
    Subject: Re: ape warriors
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    Thanks for sharing that article - I had never heard of this before!

    Just imagine how the events of World War Two could have changed, had
    Stalin succeeded in his plans of building this Ape Army... Scary.
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    Group: potadg Message: 34282 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: VIVA LA Revolution on the Planet of the Apes - in shops next week
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    This is great news Ty.

     

    Thanks!

    Now can I catch the
    midnight special to………….

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
    Sent:
    Thursday, 22 December 2005 2:39 PM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes - in shops next week

     

    It's only one store in my neighborhood, but Revolution went on sale today, and flew off the shelves!

    WOO HOO! 

    The rest of the planet gets it next week.

    Ty

    PS:  All those asking about mail order copies of the book, try mile high comics, which has agreed to take on our series as a mail subscription service.

    Again Ty.  

    Let me know what you think of it when you get one, guys.


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    Group: potadg Message: 34283 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: New WITHIN?
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    Hey all

     

    If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!

    Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!

     

    Michael

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    Group: potadg Message: 34284 From: ron kenner Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: Re: ape warriors
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    do you think it was a bogus article?
    i truly cant decide.

    Brad Smith <bsmith@...> wrote:
    Thanks for sharing that article - I had never heard of this before!

    Just imagine how the events of World War Two could have changed, had
    Stalin succeeded in his plans of building this Ape Army... Scary.






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    Group: potadg Message: 34285 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
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    In a message dated 12/22/2005 4:55:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

    Hey all

     

    If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!

    Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!

     

    Michael

    Happy Aussie Christmas, Neil! I would make you some cookies, but I am sick of cooking and looking at them. Elaine

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    Group: potadg Message: 34286 From: Steve Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
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    --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
    >
    > Hey all
    >
    > If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!
    >
    > Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!
    >
    > Michael
    >

    Well, I'd kill for a NEW chapter or two, but certainly don't ever want
    to see the FINAL page.
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    Group: potadg Message: 34287 From: Chris Hight Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: Re: New WITHIN?
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    Do you mean "Within" is coming to an end?


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    Group: potadg Message: 34288 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: New WITHIN?
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    We may return to it (the pun is intended), but currently we are trying to wrap everything up.  And the comics we have done are always 22 pages in length (that seems to be the industry standard….).

     

    The void is being filled by MR COMICS.  For the next 6 months (OR MORE WE HOPE!) we all get POTA comics.  Our objectives ARE being met (that being POTA fans getting comics!), and it is being done by a dedicated team who deserve all our support and attention.

     

    Don’t worry, we will still be active.

     

    The rest of GOING HOME (which is part 1 of a trilogy) needs to be inked.  The next two parts need to be finished….but at the moment we are seriously considering planning it then shelving it (only because we have a new story that Neil and I are both incredibly excited about that we need to get started on…..ASAP!).

     

    Michael

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Hight
    Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 5:40 AM
    To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: New WITHIN?

     

    Do you mean "Within" is coming to an end?


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    Group: potadg Message: 34289 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/22/2005
    Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #50
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      Group: potadg Message: 34291 From: Brad Smith Date: 12/22/2005
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      Ron Wrote:
      Do you think it was a bogus article?


      I'm sure there's some truth in it, but it does sound like a bad spin-
      off of Wolfenstein.
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      Group: potadg Message: 34292 From: Neil Date: 12/22/2005
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
      > If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of
      WITHIN!
      Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!

      -- So you want me to have the final page done by Christmas day? Gee,
      don't be going and putting any pressure on me boss dude! ;-)

      Neil
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      Group: potadg Message: 34293 From: Neil Date: 12/22/2005
      Subject: Re: ape warriors
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      --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Brad Smith" <bsmith@j...> wrote:
      > Ron Wrote:
      > Do you think it was a bogus article?
      >
      >
      > I'm sure there's some truth in it, but it does sound like a bad spin-
      > off of Wolfenstein.

      -- Maybe but it could easily be used as the basis for a story that
      helps explain why the apes were so advanced by the time of Conquest.
      What if some of his experiments were successful and were then later
      taken up and expanded upon by the US government?

      The Planet of the Apes could owe its ultimate origins to a mad Nazi
      scientist and his early experimentation.

      Neil
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      Group: potadg Message: 34294 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/22/2005
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      In a message dated 12/22/2005 4:19:58 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:
      The Planet of the Apes could owe its ultimate origins to a mad Nazi
      scientist and his early experimentation.
       
      It's been sci-if fare since Frankenstein.
      Remember Bela Lugosi's speech about
      a race of Atomic Supermen?  Throw in
      a little Dr. Moreau and there you have it.
       
       
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      Of course, unlike the Russians, the Chinese have no
      interest in making talking monkeys.  They want
      Bunny Girls!
       
      Chinese scientists at the Shanghai Second Medical University in 2003 successfully fused human cells with rabbit eggs. The embryos were reportedly the first human-animal chimeras successfully created. They were allowed to develop for several days in a laboratory dish before the scientists destroyed the embryos to harvest their stem cells.
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      Group: potadg Message: 34297 From: Alan Maxwell Date: 12/23/2005
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      Ron Kenner wrote:
      >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
      >
      >do you think it was a bogus article?
      >i truly cant decide.

      Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd have had my doubts, but it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable, quality newspaper so I think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just saying that because they're my former employers...

      On the other hand, if they start running articles about "lost" episodes of the PotA TV show, I'd take it with a pinch of salt. ;)

      Alan
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      Group: potadg Message: 34298 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2005
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      Each APRIL FOOLS DAY the Canberra Times will run a gag article.  BUT – they will, somewhere in that article, make a statement like “now look at the first letter in each sentence!  APRIL FOOL!” and, of course, the first letter in each sentence DOES spell APRIL FOOL.

       

      Rags like “People Magazine”, or “The Enquirer” – well, you would expect lies from them and that’s why nobody with a brain takes them seriously…..because they run articles like “My Dog Was Kidnapped and Impregnated By Aliens”.

       

      Strangely enough I re-read that Scrolls article, and the entire issue, 2 or 3 times over because I did not believe the article.

       

      Having done so, and believing in the integrity of the crew at Scrolls, I concluded I must have somehow missed something.  Then I fought for the integrity of “our good friends at Scrolls”.  Silly me.

       

      So I guess you can understand why I still do not believe George Tuska drew the face of the ape in a recent issue, and I guess you can understand why I can’t now believe a word I read in Scrolls.

       

      What’s worse is that instead of accepting responsibility for having made a poor decision, the PUBLIC attitude seems to be “come on now – it was just a joke”.  Funnily enough I DO have an email from Mr Ballard in my possession that states “we have really made a big mistake here” and goes on to beg Neil and I to steer people away from their (understandable) anger.

       

      It’s really sad that I now read Scrolls and wonder if these interviews REALLY took place or if someone is taking the piss out of me.

       

      But that’s OK – I’ll still make sure our “good friends at Scrolls” get to preview new comics and that they are “kept in the loop”.  What else WOULD I do – warn people that they are full of shit?

       

      Michael

       

       

       

      -----Original Message-----
      From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Maxwell
      Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:48 AM
      To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902

       

      Ron Kenner wrote:
      >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
      >
      >do you think it was a bogus article?
      >i truly cant decide.

      Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd have had my doubts, but it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable, quality newspaper so I think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just saying that because they're my former employers...

      On the other hand, if they start running articles about "lost" episodes of the PotA TV show, I'd take it with a pinch of salt. ;)

      Alan



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      Group: potadg Message: 34300 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2005
      Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #51
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        Group: potadg Message: 34303 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/23/2005
        Subject: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
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        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
        > If you
        are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!
         
        Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!
         
        -- Okay, forgot where we were up to so I have uploaded 2 pages leaving the one to go... so don't forget to check your X-mas stockings folks! ;-)
         
         
        Neil
         
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        Group: potadg Message: 34304 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/23/2005
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        Thanks Neil.

         

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
        Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 9:17 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] New WITHIN?.. Yes!

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

        > If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!

         

        Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!

         

        -- Okay, forgot where we were up to so I have uploaded 2 pages leaving the one to go... so don't forget to check your X-mas stockings folks! ;-)

         

         

        Neil

         

         
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        Group: potadg Message: 34305 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/23/2005
        Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #50
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        .html beautiful artwork,Neil. Elaine<.html
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        Group: potadg Message: 34306 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/23/2005
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        Hope everyone has a great holiday and thanks to Michael and Neil for the Within comics!
        Elaine
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        Group: potadg Message: 34307 From: Anthony B. McElveen Date: 12/23/2005
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        Thank you, Michael and Neil. I like the more sketchy style of the artwork on these two pages. I assume you're providing fewer details because we're now in familiar territory and the end is in sight. Well done, lads!

        Anthony


        On Dec 23, 2005, at 4:17 p.m., Neil T Foster wrote:

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" < whitty@c...> wrote:
        > If you are REALLY nice to Neil he might share the next page of WITHIN!
        Actually, he MIGHT even give you the final pages for Xmas!
        -- Okay, forgot where we were up to so I have uploaded 2 pages leaving the one to go... so don't forget to check your X-mas stockings folks! ;-)
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        Group: potadg Message: 34308 From: DONNA SPIRES Date: 12/23/2005
        Subject: The Latest Within
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        Great artwork and script. Keep up the good work.

        Donna
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        Group: potadg Message: 34309 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/23/2005
        Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
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        Wow! and it's not quite Christmas Eve here yet.
        Mike must have apelied a bit of pressure.
        I think he may have rushed Neil just a
        bit from the looks of the artwork.
        Still, it rocks!  How many left?
         
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        Group: potadg Message: 34310 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
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        Micheal....relax...it was just a joke.........!!
        have some eggnog!.....

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > Each APRIL FOOLS DAY the Canberra Times will run a
        > gag article. BUT -
        > they will, somewhere in that article, make a
        > statement like "now look at
        > the first letter in each sentence! APRIL FOOL!"
        > and, of course, the
        > first letter in each sentence DOES spell APRIL FOOL.
        >
        > Rags like "People Magazine", or "The Enquirer" -
        > well, you would expect
        > lies from them and that's why nobody with a brain
        > takes them
        > seriously...because they run articles like "My Dog
        > Was Kidnapped and
        > Impregnated By Aliens".
        >
        > Strangely enough I re-read that Scrolls article, and
        > the entire issue, 2
        > or 3 times over because I did not believe the
        > article.
        >
        > Having done so, and believing in the integrity of
        > the crew at Scrolls, I
        > concluded I must have somehow missed something.
        > Then I fought for the
        > integrity of "our good friends at Scrolls". Silly
        > me.
        >
        > So I guess you can understand why I still do not
        > believe George Tuska
        > drew the face of the ape in a recent issue, and I
        > guess you can
        > understand why I can't now believe a word I read in
        > Scrolls.
        >
        > What's worse is that instead of accepting
        > responsibility for having made
        > a poor decision, the PUBLIC attitude seems to be
        > "come on now - it was
        > just a joke". Funnily enough I DO have an email
        > from Mr Ballard in my
        > possession that states "we have really made a big
        > mistake here" and goes
        > on to beg Neil and I to steer people away from their
        > (understandable)
        > anger.
        >
        > It's really sad that I now read Scrolls and wonder
        > if these interviews
        > REALLY took place or if someone is taking the piss
        > out of me.
        >
        > But that's OK - I'll still make sure our "good
        > friends at Scrolls" get
        > to preview new comics and that they are "kept in the
        > loop". What else
        > WOULD I do - warn people that they are full of shit?
        >
        > Michael
        >
        >
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Alan Maxwell
        > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:48 AM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902
        >
        > Ron Kenner wrote:
        > >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
        > >
        > >do you think it was a bogus article?
        > >i truly cant decide.
        >
        > Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd have
        > had my doubts, but
        > it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable,
        > quality newspaper so I
        > think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just
        > saying that because
        > they're my former employers...
        >
        > On the other hand, if they start running articles
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        Group: potadg Message: 34311 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
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        Adding my best wishes for great holidays!!!
        More Apes in the New Year!
        Tim

        --- taebokitti@... wrote:

        > Hope everyone has a great holiday and thanks to
        > Michael and Neil for the
        > Within comics!
        > Elaine
        >





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        Group: potadg Message: 34312 From: DONNA SPIRES Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
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        I am also adding my wishes for a happy holiday and great New Year.

        Donna


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        >
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        Group: potadg Message: 34313 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: New WITHIN?.. Yes!
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        One to go.

         

        I think you will find Neil is playing with styles.

         

        That was (one of) the intention(s) of WITHIN – to find a good streamlined POTA look that does not take days to finish.

         

        Michael

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
        Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 4:29 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] New WITHIN?.. Yes!

         

         

        Wow! and it's not quite Christmas Eve here yet.

        Mike must have apelied a bit of pressure.

        I think he may have rushed Neil just a

        bit from the looks of the artwork.

        Still, it rocks!  How many left?

         

         


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        Group: potadg Message: 34314 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
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        You’re buying!

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
        Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 5:10 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902

         

        Micheal....relax...it was just a joke.........!!
        have some eggnog!.....

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > Each APRIL FOOLS DAY the Canberra Times will run a
        > gag article.  BUT -
        > they will, somewhere in that article, make a
        > statement like "now look at
        > the first letter in each sentence!  APRIL FOOL!"
        > and, of course, the
        > first letter in each sentence DOES spell APRIL FOOL.

        > Rags like "People Magazine", or "The Enquirer" -
        > well, you would expect
        > lies from them and that's why nobody with a brain
        > takes them
        > seriously...because they run articles like "My Dog
        > Was Kidnapped and
        > Impregnated By Aliens".

        > Strangely enough I re-read that Scrolls article, and
        > the entire issue, 2
        > or 3 times over because I did not believe the
        > article.

        > Having done so, and believing in the integrity of
        > the crew at Scrolls, I
        > concluded I must have somehow missed something.
        > Then I fought for the
        > integrity of "our good friends at Scrolls".  Silly
        > me.

        > So I guess you can understand why I still do not
        > believe George Tuska
        > drew the face of the ape in a recent issue, and I
        > guess you can
        > understand why I can't now believe a word I read in
        > Scrolls.

        > What's worse is that instead of accepting
        > responsibility for having made
        > a poor decision, the PUBLIC attitude seems to be
        > "come on now - it was
        > just a joke".  Funnily enough I DO have an email
        > from Mr Ballard in my
        > possession that states "we have really made a big
        > mistake here" and goes
        > on to beg Neil and I to steer people away from their
        > (understandable)
        > anger.

        > It's really sad that I now read Scrolls and wonder
        > if these interviews
        > REALLY took place or if someone is taking the piss
        > out of me.

        > But that's OK - I'll still make sure our "good
        > friends at Scrolls" get
        > to preview new comics and that they are "kept in the
        > loop".  What else
        > WOULD I do - warn people that they are full of shit?

        > Michael



        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Alan Maxwell
        > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:48 AM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902

        > Ron Kenner wrote:
        > >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
        > >
        > >do you think it was a bogus article?
        > >i truly cant decide.
        >
        > Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd have
        > had my doubts, but
        > it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable,
        > quality newspaper so I
        > think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just
        > saying that because
        > they're my former employers...
        >
        > On the other hand, if they start running articles
        > about "lost" episodes
        > of the PotA TV show, I'd take it with a pinch of
        > salt. ;)
        >
        > Alan
        >
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        > Writing
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        Group: potadg Message: 34315 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
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        Only 6 hours to go Down Under!

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        Of DONNA SPIRES
        Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 5:19 PM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Holidays

        I am also adding my wishes for a happy holiday and great New Year.

        Donna


        >From: "Tim \"apefan\"" <apefan23@...>
        >Reply-To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        >To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        >Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Happy Holidays
        >Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 22:13:26 -0800 (PST)
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >Adding my best wishes for great holidays!!!
        >
        >More Apes in the New Year!
        >
        >Tim
        >
        >
        >
        >--- taebokitti@... wrote:
        >
        >
        >
        > > Hope everyone has a great holiday and thanks to
        >
        > > Michael and Neil for the
        >
        > > Within comics!
        >
        > > Elaine
        >
        > >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        Group: potadg Message: 34316 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: ape warriors
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        I think there’s already a movie about that!

         

        -----Original Message-----
        From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
        Sent: Friday, 23 December 2005 9:18 AM
        To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [PotaDG] Re: ape warriors

         

        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Brad Smith" <bsmith@j...> wrote:
        > Ron Wrote:
        > Do you think it was a bogus article?
        >
        >
        > I'm sure there's some truth in it, but it does sound like a bad spin-
        > off of Wolfenstein.

        -- Maybe but it could easily be used as the basis for a story that
        helps explain why the apes were so advanced by the time of Conquest.
        What if some of his experiments were successful and were then later
        taken up and expanded upon by the US government?

        The Planet of the Apes could owe its ultimate origins to a mad Nazi
        scientist and his early experimentation.

        Neil






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        Group: potadg Message: 34317 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: Happy Holidays
        .html
        .html Message
        --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a ... wrote:
        >
        > Hope
        everyone has a great holiday and thanks to Michael and Neil for the
        >
        Within comics!
         
        -- Thanks, I hope everyone can have a good time no matter what they are doing.
         
        Neil
         
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        Group: potadg Message: 34318 From: Tim "apefan" Date: 12/24/2005
        Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
        .html
        deal....what shall we spike it with!!!???

        --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

        > You're buying!
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > Of Tim "apefan"
        > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 5:10 PM
        > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902
        >
        > Micheal....relax...it was just a joke.........!!
        > have some eggnog!.....
        >
        > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Each APRIL FOOLS DAY the Canberra Times will run a
        > > gag article. BUT -
        > > they will, somewhere in that article, make a
        > > statement like "now look at
        > > the first letter in each sentence! APRIL FOOL!"
        > > and, of course, the
        > > first letter in each sentence DOES spell APRIL
        > FOOL.
        > >
        > > Rags like "People Magazine", or "The Enquirer" -
        > > well, you would expect
        > > lies from them and that's why nobody with a brain
        > > takes them
        > > seriously...because they run articles like "My Dog
        > > Was Kidnapped and
        > > Impregnated By Aliens".
        > >
        > > Strangely enough I re-read that Scrolls article,
        > and
        > > the entire issue, 2
        > > or 3 times over because I did not believe the
        > > article.
        > >
        > > Having done so, and believing in the integrity of
        > > the crew at Scrolls, I
        > > concluded I must have somehow missed something.
        > > Then I fought for the
        > > integrity of "our good friends at Scrolls". Silly
        > > me.
        > >
        > > So I guess you can understand why I still do not
        > > believe George Tuska
        > > drew the face of the ape in a recent issue, and I
        > > guess you can
        > > understand why I can't now believe a word I read
        > in
        > > Scrolls.
        > >
        > > What's worse is that instead of accepting
        > > responsibility for having made
        > > a poor decision, the PUBLIC attitude seems to be
        > > "come on now - it was
        > > just a joke". Funnily enough I DO have an email
        > > from Mr Ballard in my
        > > possession that states "we have really made a big
        > > mistake here" and goes
        > > on to beg Neil and I to steer people away from
        > their
        > > (understandable)
        > > anger.
        > >
        > > It's really sad that I now read Scrolls and wonder
        > > if these interviews
        > > REALLY took place or if someone is taking the piss
        > > out of me.
        > >
        > > But that's OK - I'll still make sure our "good
        > > friends at Scrolls" get
        > > to preview new comics and that they are "kept in
        > the
        > > loop". What else
        > > WOULD I do - warn people that they are full of
        > shit?
        > >
        > > Michael
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
        > > Of Alan Maxwell
        > > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:48 AM
        > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
        > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902
        > >
        > > Ron Kenner wrote:
        > > >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
        > > >
        > > >do you think it was a bogus article?
        > > >i truly cant decide.
        > >
        > > Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd
        > have
        > > had my doubts, but
        > > it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable,
        > > quality newspaper so I
        > > think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just
        > > saying that because
        > > they're my former employers...
        > >
        > > On the other hand, if they start running articles
        > > about "lost" episodes
        > > of the PotA TV show, I'd take it with a pinch of
        > > salt. ;)
        > >
        > > Alan
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > SPONSORED LINKS
        > >
        > > Fantasy
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fantasy+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
        > > &k=Fantasy+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
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        >
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        >
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        > > science fiction
        > > Science
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+books&w1=Fantasy+sc
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        > > ion&c=6&s=173&.sig=rMIUepDl53Gghql0memanw>
        > fiction
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        > > Science
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+book+club&w1=Fantas
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        > > fiction&c=6&s=173&.sig=GINuxsxCX_lvcwW3qhorTg>
        > > fiction book club
        > >
        > > Science
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+magazine&w1=Fantasy
        > > &k=Science+fiction+magazine&w1=Fantasy
        > >
        >
        +science+fiction&w2=Science+fiction+books&w3=Science+fiction+book+club&w
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        >
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        > > iction&c=6&s=173&.sig=6slFgJQPWdkNBWmovIXB2w>
        > > fiction magazine
        > > Science
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+novel&w1=Fantasy+sc
        > > &k=Science+fiction+novel&w1=Fantasy+sc
        > >
        >
        ience+fiction&w2=Science+fiction+books&w3=Science+fiction+book+club&w4=S
        > >
        >
        cience+fiction+magazine&w5=Science+fiction+novel&w6=Writing+science+fict
        > > ion&c=6&s=173&.sig=017KWaoRfoc_Bi4z3bv5Mg>
        > fiction
        > > novel
        > > Writing
        > >
        > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
        >
        <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Writing+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
        > > &k=Writing+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
        > >
        >
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        > >
        >
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        > > ction&c=6&s=173&.sig=WMu77GyfjRdUsZT4jYYvDA>
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          Group: potadg Message: 34321 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
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          Now I know you are an actor (and you seem to be typecast as a drug dealer) it ain’t gonna be alcohol!  J

          It’s
          7am Xmas day here in the Land Down Under.

           

          Santa Foster has a special gift to the group he’ll be sharing later.

           

          Bets wishes…the kids are dragging me away to open………..the………..PRESSIES!!!!

          Michael

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim "apefan"
          Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 2:27 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902

           

          deal....what shall we spike it with!!!???

          --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

          > You're buying!

          > -----Original Message-----
          > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          > Of Tim "apefan"
          > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 5:10 PM
          > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902

          > Micheal....relax...it was just a joke.........!!
          > have some eggnog!.....
          >
          > --- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:
          >
          > > Each APRIL FOOLS DAY the Canberra Times will run a
          > > gag article.  BUT -
          > > they will, somewhere in that article, make a
          > > statement like "now look at
          > > the first letter in each sentence!  APRIL FOOL!"
          > > and, of course, the
          > > first letter in each sentence DOES spell APRIL
          > FOOL.
          > > 
          > > Rags like "People Magazine", or "The Enquirer" -
          > > well, you would expect
          > > lies from them and that's why nobody with a brain
          > > takes them
          > > seriously...because they run articles like "My Dog
          > > Was Kidnapped and
          > > Impregnated By Aliens".
          > > 
          > > Strangely enough I re-read that Scrolls article,
          > and
          > > the entire issue, 2
          > > or 3 times over because I did not believe the
          > > article.
          > > 
          > > Having done so, and believing in the integrity of
          > > the crew at Scrolls, I
          > > concluded I must have somehow missed something.
          > > Then I fought for the
          > > integrity of "our good friends at Scrolls".  Silly
          > > me.
          > > 
          > > So I guess you can understand why I still do not
          > > believe George Tuska
          > > drew the face of the ape in a recent issue, and I
          > > guess you can
          > > understand why I can't now believe a word I read
          > in
          > > Scrolls.
          > > 
          > > What's worse is that instead of accepting
          > > responsibility for having made
          > > a poor decision, the PUBLIC attitude seems to be
          > > "come on now - it was
          > > just a joke".  Funnily enough I DO have an email
          > > from Mr Ballard in my
          > > possession that states "we have really made a big
          > > mistake here" and goes
          > > on to beg Neil and I to steer people away from
          > their
          > > (understandable)
          > > anger.
          > > 
          > > It's really sad that I now read Scrolls and wonder
          > > if these interviews
          > > REALLY took place or if someone is taking the piss
          > > out of me.
          > > 
          > > But that's OK - I'll still make sure our "good
          > > friends at Scrolls" get
          > > to preview new comics and that they are "kept in
          > the
          > > loop".  What else
          > > WOULD I do - warn people that they are full of
          > shit?
          > > 
          > > Michael
          > > 
          > > 
          > > 
          > > -----Original Message-----
          > > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > > [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          > > Of Alan Maxwell
          > > Sent: Saturday, 24 December 2005 12:48 AM
          > > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          > > Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1902
          > > 
          > > Ron Kenner wrote:
          > > >Subject: Re: Re: ape warriors
          > > >
          > > >do you think it was a bogus article?
          > > >i truly cant decide.
          > >
          > > Had it been in one of our British tabloids I'd
          > have
          > > had my doubts, but
          > > it was in The Scotsman which is a respectable,
          > > quality newspaper so I
          > > think it's a reputable source. And I'm not just
          > > saying that because
          > > they're my former employers...
          > >
          > > On the other hand, if they start running articles
          > > about "lost" episodes
          > > of the PotA TV show, I'd take it with a pinch of
          > > salt. ;)
          > >
          > > Alan
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > SPONSORED LINKS
          > >
          > > Fantasy
          > >
          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
          >
          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Fantasy+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
          > > &k=Fantasy+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
          > >
          >
          science+fiction&w2=Science+fiction+books&w3=Science+fiction+book+club&w4
          > >
          >
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          > > science fiction
          > > Science
          > >
          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
          >
          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+books&w1=Fantasy+sc
          > > &k=Science+fiction+books&w1=Fantasy+sc
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          >
          ience+fiction&w2=Science+fiction+books&w3=Science+fiction+book+club&w4=S
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          > > Science
          > >
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          >
          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+book+club&w1=Fantas
          > > &k=Science+fiction+book+club&w1=Fantas
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          >
          y+science+fiction&w2=Science+fiction+books&w3=Science+fiction+book+club&
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          > > fiction book club
          > >
          > > Science
          > >
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          >
          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+magazine&w1=Fantasy
          > > &k=Science+fiction+magazine&w1=Fantasy
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          > > fiction magazine
          > > Science
          > >
          > <http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
          >
          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Science+fiction+novel&w1=Fantasy+sc
          > > &k=Science+fiction+novel&w1=Fantasy+sc
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          >
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          > >
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          > fiction
          > > novel
          > > Writing
          > >
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          < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Writing+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
          > > &k=Writing+science+fiction&w1=Fantasy+
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          Group: potadg Message: 34322 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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          Hello,

          This email message is a notification to let you know that
          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
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          File : /Within the Planet of the Apes/Current Chapter/Chapter85 86 87 88.jpg
          Uploaded by : munkeyman63au <nfoster@...>
          Description : Merry Cristmas to all!

          You can access this file at the URL:
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          Group: potadg Message: 34323 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          Neil has kindly provided the final chapter of WITHIN THE PLANET OF THE
          APES.

          You can access the file at the URL:
          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%20of%
          20the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapter85%2086%2087%2088.jpg

          Have a great Christmas everybody!

          Michael
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          Group: potadg Message: 34324 From: hill19652000 Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Digest Number 1902
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

          >
          > It's 7am Xmas day here in the Land Down Under.
          >
          > Santa Foster has a special gift to the group he'll be sharing
          later.
          >
          > Bets wishes.the kids are dragging me away to
          > open.....the.....PRESSIES!!!!
          >
          > Michael
          >
          >



          It's 9pm Christmas eve here in the UK, my partners konked out on
          the sofa full of the flu, the cats a sleep and I'm just about to
          start the southern comfort so wishing everyone a happy X.mas
          Best wishes Graham.
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          Group: potadg Message: 34325 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
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          Cheers mate!

           

          Hope the Poms beat the Pakis!

           

          J

           

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          Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 8:01 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Digest Number 1902

           

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:

          >
          > It's 7am Xmas day here in the Land Down Under.

          > Santa Foster has a special gift to the group he'll be sharing
          later.

          > Bets wishes.the kids are dragging me away to
          > open.....the.....PRESSIES!!!!
          >
          > Michael

          >



            It's 9pm Christmas eve here in the UK, my partners konked out on
          the sofa full of the flu, the cats a sleep and I'm just about to
          start the southern comfort so wishing everyone a happy X.mas
          Best wishes Graham.





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          Group: potadg Message: 34326 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          .html.html In a message dated 12/24/2005 2:57:45 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

          http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%20of%
          20the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapter85%2086%2087%2088.jpg


          Very cool... But, to be on the picky side, Milo wasn't there when the troops were marching past their home... All I could think when I seen the drawing was "There they go, Dr. Zaius trotting along beside them..."

          But you could suppose that Milo may have been in another room when they first looked out the window...
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          Group: potadg Message: 34327 From: Neil Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:
          > But you could suppose that Milo may have been in another room when
          they first looked out the window...

          -- Yes he really should have gone to the toilet before he left the pub
          shouldn't he? ;-)

          Neil
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          Group: potadg Message: 34328 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          Beer in, beer out!

           

          -----Original Message-----
          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
          Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 9:08 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!

           

          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, mlccougar@a... wrote:
          > But you could suppose that Milo may have been in another room when
          they first looked out the window...

          -- Yes he really should have gone to the toilet before he left the pub
          shouldn't he? ;-)

          Neil






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          Group: potadg Message: 34329 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          .html Thanks, Michael. Elaine<.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 34330 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Christmas Present for the POTADG!
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          That’s OK – thank Neil (or he’ll get upset!).  J

          Michael

           

          -----Original Message-----
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          Sent: Sunday, 25 December 2005 10:32 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Christmas Present for the POTADG!

           

          Thanks, Michael. Elaine


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          Group: potadg Message: 34331 From: Mithril1960@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Merry Christmas
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          Merry Christmas fellow members, and PC be damned. It's always been and hopefully always will be my favorite holiday! I wish everyone, even those who don't celebrate it a happy and safe time. Let's look back at the year behind us with wisdom and look at the year ahead with hope.
           
          Take care, all!
           
           
          The minstrel fell! - but the foeman's chain
          Could not bring that proud soul under;
          The harp he loved ne'er spoke again
          For he tore its' chords asunder;
          And said "No chains shall sully thee,
          Thou soul of love and bravery!
          Thy songs were made for the pure and free,
          They shall never sound in slavery."

          - The Minstrel Boy -
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          Group: potadg Message: 34332 From: luke_the_drifter52 Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Last Within strip
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          Thanks Michael and Neil for the last Within Strip. I don't care what
          the comic book publishers say, these strips that you both have done
          are very excellent. Once you get them made into a comic book form like
          you did with Beware the Beast let me know so I can get a copy from you!
          John
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          Group: potadg Message: 34333 From: mlccougar@aol.com Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: Last Within strip
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          .html.html In a message dated 12/24/2005 8:16:33 PM Central Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

          Once you get them made into a comic book form like
          you did with Beware the Beast let me know so I can get a copy from you!


          Same here... I'd like one of your "promotional copies" too...
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          Group: potadg Message: 34334 From: luke_the_drifter52 Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Merry Christmas POTA DG Members!
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          I want to wish all of the members on the DG A very Merry Christmas!
          And to thoes of you who are offended by Merry Christmas then a very
          Humbug to you!
          John
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          Group: potadg Message: 34335 From: John Date: 12/24/2005
          Subject: Re: New file uploaded to PotaDG
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          I hate to see it end but it was a great ride and I'm excited to see
          what story idea has captured your interest so much as to leave "Going
          Home" on hold. Thanks again for all your hard work on everything.
          Happy Holidays and Hail Satan!




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          > Hello,
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          Group: potadg Message: 34336 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/25/2005
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          Group: potadg Message: 34337 From: branchbrood Date: 12/25/2005
          Subject: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
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          HAPPIEST HOLIDAYS, Ya' Sent me an E-Mail Yesterday Regarding the Addar
          Box Scans I was Needing, I found my way here hoping this is where you
          sugguested I Request those. I Got The Addar Pieces Yesterday,I haven't
          Done the "Aldo" Kit Since 1975! So I'm Needing the Instructions to
          Assemble the "Tables" on the Base Correctly. I Figured out Caeser Okay
          But I still would like A Scan Of the Boxes So I can Frame them to
          Display Behind the Kits Thanks So much.

          JOHN
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          Group: potadg Message: 34338 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/25/2005
          Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
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          I’ll dig them out!

           

          Michael

           

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          From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of branchbrood
          Sent: Monday, 26 December 2005 12:55 AM
          To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [PotaDG] HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?

           

          HAPPIEST HOLIDAYS, Ya' Sent me an E-Mail Yesterday Regarding the Addar
          Box Scans I was Needing, I found my way here hoping this is where you
          sugguested I Request those. I Got The Addar Pieces Yesterday,I haven't
          Done the "Aldo" Kit Since 1975! So I'm Needing the Instructions to
          Assemble the "Tables" on the Base Correctly. I Figured out Caeser Okay
          But I still would like A Scan Of the Boxes So I can Frame them to
          Display Behind the Kits Thanks So much.

          JOHN





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          Group: potadg Message: 34339 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/25/2005
          Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
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          Has anyone seen this song parody?
           
           
          "Rockin' the Suburbs" Based on the performance by Ben Folds Five
          "Rockin' the Ape World" Parody by Antic the Fearless
          Let me tell ya what it's like to be
          In a world controlled by chimpanzees
          Gorilla soldiers always chasing me
          Orangs all thinkin' that they're Socrates
          Chimp-on

          So many things that I'd rather do
          Than be livin' in this monkey zoo
          We're just their pets so I'm glad to say
          Thank god Bob Barker ain't alive today

          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          Just like Charleton Heston did
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          Nova hanging onto him
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          I'd make a break but I'm facing facts
          That I ain't gonna be outrunnin' armed gorillas on horseback

          Cornelius is smart but such a wimp
          Zira's not bad looking for a chimp
          Dr. Zaius is so truly crass
          He can kiss my hairless human ass

          This crazy place is out of whack
          A Jane Goodall LSD flashback

          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          Just like James Franciscus did
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          Does anyone remember him?
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          I'd make a break but I'm facing facts
          That I ain't gonna be outrunnin' armed gorillas on horseback

          On the run these days
          The Forbidden Zone's approaching
          But the enemy's encroaching
          There's an army full of monkeys on the way
          Enraged
          Want to stick me in a cage
          'Cause my great great great great Grandad
          Put someones' great great great great Grandads onstage
          Made 'em wear bellhop costumes
          And dance around for money
          It's really pretty funny

          Need to get away
          Before Dunston checks me in

          Let me tell ya what it's like to be
          In a world controlled by chimpanzees
          Let me tell ya what it's like to be
          In a world controlled by chimpanzees
          Let me tell ya what it's like to be
          In a world controlled by chimpanzees
          Let me tell ya what it's like to be
          In a world controlled by chimpanzees
          It gets me real pissed and it makes me want to say
          It gets me real pissed and it makes me want to say
          It gets me real pissed and it makes me want to say
          GET YOUR STINKIN' HANDS OFF ME YOU DAMNED DIRTY APES!

          Just like Marky Wahlberg did
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          With the Funky Bunch backin' him
          I'm Rockin' the Ape World
          I'd make a break but I'm facing facts
          That I ain't gonna be outrunnin' armed gorillas on horseback
          Those apes
          Yeah yeah
          Rockin' the Ape World
          Yeah Yeah
          Rockin' the Ape World
          Yeah Yeah

          You better look out there's gonna be a sequel
          You better look out there's gonna be a sequel
          You better look out there's gonna be a sequel
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          Group: potadg Message: 34340 From: branchbrood Date: 12/25/2005
          Subject: Re: HEY MICHAEL, IS THIS THE DG?
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          --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
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          > I'll dig them out!
          >
          > Michael
          > HEY THANKS MICHAEL I REALLY NEED THE ALDO & CEASER BOX AND IF
          POSSIBLE THE INSTRUX FOR ALDO (I can't seem to figure out where Pice
          #11 Fits although I think it's Sand Bags and I need the Boxtops
          (Scans) To Display Behind the Finished Kits. Thank you Much for
          taking Time out of your Holiday to help me with this exercise in Anal
          Retentiveness! lol

          John
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          Addar
          > Box Scans I was Needing, I found my way here hoping this is where
          you
          > sugguested I Request those. I Got The Addar Pieces Yesterday,I
          haven't
          > Done the "Aldo" Kit Since 1975! So I'm Needing the Instructions to
          > Assemble the "Tables" on the Base Correctly. I Figured out Caeser
          Okay
          > But I still would like A Scan Of the Boxes So I can Frame them to
          > Display Behind the Kits Thanks So much.
          >
          > JOHN
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          Group: potadg Message: 34341 From: taebokitti@aol.com Date: 12/26/2005
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          .html This is great,LT. Thanks for sharing this song. I have never seen it before. Elaine<.html
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          Group: potadg Message: 34342 From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com Date: 12/26/2005
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          Hello,

          This email message is a notification to let you know that
          a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the PotaDG
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          Group: potadg Message: 34343 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
          Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #53 to 56
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            Group: potadg Message: 34344 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
            Subject: FW: New file uploaded to PotaDiscussionGroupphotos
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            Once again thanks to the non stop Greg Plonowski the full run of Within the Planet of the Apes is now available in PDF format.

            All the files can be found in the Within the Planet of the Apes folder over at the DG Photos: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/

            Neil




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            Group: potadg Message: 34345 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
            Subject: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!
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            Here's some news that you are all bound to be happy about ;-)
             
            Due to the amount of files this busy group accumulates I have had to start another new subgroup!
             
            You can now find some of the group's Files at the Planet of the Apes DG Photos 2 group:
             
            And yes, you will have to join this group to access the files, sorry but it couldn't be helped as this is the only way we can keep these files and the last thing we would want to do is delete stuff when we run out of storage space because then its gone forever!
             
            Neil
             
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            Group: potadg Message: 34346 From: Neil T Foster Date: 12/26/2005
            Subject: Outage Advisories
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            Just in case you may have missed this I thought I would just let everyone know that the DG may not be available for a short time during maintenance work this week being carried out by our friends at Yahoo!
             
            Here's what they have advised:
             

            Outage Advisories

            Yahoo! Groups will be performing critical database maintenance this week. During this maintenance work, 25% of groups will be offline. Messages sent to affected groups during this interval will be queued and delivered once the groups are back online.

            The work is currently scheduled for Tuesday night, December 27th, from 9:00 PM until 2:00 AM Wednesday morning Pacific time (Wednesday morning 5:00-10:00 AM GMT). However, there is a chance it may need to be delayed until later in the week.

             
            Neil
             
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              Group: potadg Message: 34349 From: Neil Date: 12/27/2005
              Subject: Re: Outage Advisories
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
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              > Just in case you may have missed this I thought I would just let
              > everyone know that the DG may not be available for a short time
              during
              > maintenance work this week being carried out by our friends at
              Yahoo!
              >
              > Here's what they have advised:
              >
              >
              > Outage Advisories
              >
              >
              > Yahoo! Groups will be performing critical database maintenance this
              > week. During this maintenance work, 25% of groups will be offline.
              > Messages sent to affected groups during this interval will be
              queued and
              > delivered once the groups are back online.
              >
              > The work is currently scheduled for Tuesday night, December 27th,
              from
              > 9:00 PM until 2:00 AM Wednesday morning Pacific time (Wednesday
              morning
              > 5:00-10:00 AM GMT). However, there is a chance it may need to be
              delayed
              > until later in the week.
              >
              >
              > Neil
              >


              Okay now they have decided to change days:

              The work is now scheduled for Wednesday night (in California),
              December 28th, from 9:00 PM until 2:00 AM Thursday morning (Thursday
              morning 5:00-10:00 AM GMT). However, there is a chance it may need
              to be delayed until later in the week.

              Neil
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              Group: potadg Message: 34350 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
              Subject: Re: Caesar's Breeding Annex chimpette
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:
              >
              > In a message dated 12/20/2005 3:54:04 AM Central Standard Time,
              > patrickmichaeltilton@y... writes:
              >
              > > In John Jakes' novelization, he makes it clear that Caesar felt
              he HAD to "do the deed" with this female chimp, despite the fact that
              he found it degrading, because they were being WATCHED by the
              Breeding Annex personnel, to make sure that the "insemination"
              occurred.
              > >
              >
              > I thought the books weren't "canon" to you? If that's so, then why
              even mention this?

              *** What Jakes ADDED to the screenplay/film in his novelization
              regarding this Breeding Annex scene is important. Is it likely that
              the people in charge of the Breeding Annex would just put males into
              the female cages and ASSUME that they would mate with the females?
              Isn't it likely that they would MAKE SURE that the insemination took
              place? The raison d'etre of the Breeding Annex seems to be to
              increase the population of Apes -- perhaps because they don't want to
              rely on importation from Africa and Indonesia for this "product". By
              breeding more Apes, they can make more money.

              I mentioned what Jakes had added to the scene because it is rather
              relevant. If you want to ignore it and allow yourself to assume that
              Caesar might NOT have done the in-out with the coquette chimpette,
              that's your option. I think it unlikely that the Breeding Annex
              personnel wouldn't make sure. I think it more likely that they WOULD
              be monitoring the situation, and that Caesar -- knowing this -- would
              feel that he had to go through with it, to maintain the ruse.

              Thus... it opens the door to the possibility that his firstborn child
              would be borne by this OTHER female chimp, long before Lisa bore
              Cornelius for him. It is THIS possibility that I would like to
              exploit in my own POTA project. If Caesar has an "unacknowledged"
              bastard child, then might not that child claim to be his heir,
              especially when his "only" son Cornelius is deceased?

              In past eras, when a bastard child was "acknowledged" by a King (or
              Queen) as being of the Royal Bloodline, such an illegitimate child
              became legitimatized, and could then become the next king --
              especially if there were no other options, and the only other result
              would be a civil war between distant cousins/rival claimants with
              dubious genealogies. There's a subgroup of Oxfordian students of the
              Shakespeare-Authorship controversy who believe that the Sonnets were
              written by Edward de Vere (XVIIth Earl of Oxford) to the unnamed
              Henry Wriothesley (Earl of Southhampton, the dedicatee of his two
              narrative poems, "VENUS AND ADONIS" and "THE RAPE OF LUCRECE") --
              where many of the sonnets in question are written by the Poet to
              an "unacknowledged" Son: the heir to the throne of England. Not all
              Oxfordians accept this sub-theory, but many do: that Southhampton was
              really the bastard son of De Vere and Queen Elizabeth (the so-
              called "Virgin Queen" who wasn't REALLY a virgin...). By writing the
              poems, the Poet was presumably trying to get his own son to marry and
              beget children of the unacknowledged royal line, and also urging the
              boy's mother -- Queen Elizabeth -- to "acknowledge" him as her own
              flesh-and-blood. Thus, "Shakespeare" would become the de facto
              consort of the Queen, with their bastard son becoming the next king
              of England. After Oxford died in 1604 -- Queen Elizabeth having died
              just before that, with James VI of Scotland becoming James I of
              England -- it was another 5 years before somebody 'acquired' the
              sonnet sequence and published them in 1609. With none of the
              characters named, it was all a big mystery as to WHO the "Dark Lady"
              of the Sonnets might be... who the "Fair Youth" was... etc.

              The notion that a nobleman had dreams (even delusions) of having his
              own son become King of England -- due to having been seduced by Queen
              Elizabeth years before, just as Venus seduced Adonis in the poem --
              is quite controversial. Oxfordians are divided on it, some thinking
              that the interpretation is valid, others dubious of it. If true, it
              explains how the Author would've been forced into using a
              pseudonym: "William Shake-Speare". The end of the Tudor Dynasty was
              hanging in the balance...

              ... just as the "dynasty" of Caesar hangs in the balance when his
              ONLY son and heir, Cornelius, winds up being murdered by Aldo --
              obviously before Cornelius could've begotten a child himself. Caesar
              hopes to change the future... but how CAN he if he has no heir? If he
              and Lisa are able to produce another son (or daughter) to replace
              their murdered son, then that would help to solidify the possibility
              (he presumes) that the Future can be changed by his own dynasty's
              efforts. Caesar knows that he himself will be dead many centuries
              before the critical year -- "3950" -- will transpire. He can only
              hope that his Heir will carry the torch of Change to prevent Doomsday.

              But... if there's a rival claimant -- the child begotten in that
              Breeding Annex -- who has a different view, perhaps... how might that
              affect the situation?

              Reason enough to bring up Jakes' novelization regarding that scene.

              Patrick
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              Group: potadg Message: 34351 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
              Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , LordTZer0@A... wrote:
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              >
              > In a message dated 12/20/2005 6:53:01 P.M. Central Standard Time,
              > Haristas@a... writes:
              >
              > Exactly, T! It's extremely unfair to judge those early sound
              movies in respect to the acting styles in them. People were only
              beginning to learn how to do things with the sound equipment, and
              even the directors were learning. Just look at how much better
              films were by 1939.
              >
              >
              >
              > Not only that, but if you look at old newsreels of politicians
              you'll see that people were pretty melodramatic back then.
              >
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              *** In George Clooney's excellent film "GOOD NIGHT GOOD LUCK" he uses
              archival footage of Senator McCarthy, rather than having an actor
              portray him. Amusingly enough, there are ignoramuses in the audience
              who've criticized the "actor's" portrayal of McCarthy! They think
              he "acts" too over-the-top... not realizing that they're watching the
              real guy!

              I guess I should weigh in here regarding Jackson's version of "KING
              KONG". I thought it was terrific, and I'm kinda confused as to how
              Rory can give it 3 stars and still hate it. I can understand hating a
              1-star film or a 0-star film, but a 3-star film? If a film gets an A
              (4-stars), it's generally considered top-notch. A 3-star film is like
              getting a B -- above average, but not as good as an A. A "C" film, 2-
              stars, would be average, at best. A 1-star film is like a "D" on a
              test -- below average... but still not the worst. A 0-star film would
              be like an "F".

              How can Jackson's film be 3-stars, Rory, and still be worthy of being
              hated by you?

              If I had had the money & time to make a remake of "King Kong", I know
              that I would've made a different film than the one Jackson made. But,
              so what? It's obvious that he made the film that he was driven to
              make. Others might quibble about the choices he made as director, but
              it should all be weighed in the balance of the achievement overall.

              Though I might've done certain things differently, I didn't mind the
              choices he made. The first hour seems sluggish to some... but I
              didn't mind it. I didn't mind having more of a set-up to the Skull
              Island adventure -- it gave us the opportunity to get to know some of
              the other guys on the ship, and helps to make us care about their
              ghastly demises when they are killed. I also like the extended NYC
              stuff in the beginning: the whole point of THIS version is that the
              times the characters live in is summed up by one word: DESPERATION.

              In the original, Denham needs to get a chick to be in his movie,
              because audiences want to see a romantic element. And Ann Darrow is
              hungry enough to steal an apple. Set against the backdrop of the
              Great Depression, the original film rather underplays this sense of
              underlying desperation.

              Jackson purposely set his film in the same era... but that
              necessitated depicting in fuller scope the Depression. It was a time
              of severe desperation. I liked that he made Denham himself even more
              desperate than the original one: if he fails with this new project,
              then he's FINISHED. And, at the beginning of this version, he's on
              the verge of having the plug pulled from this last chance project. He
              can't afford to let that happen.

              I like that Ann Darrow (in this version) weighs the option of
              debasing herself in a nudie revue... and decides she isn't willing to
              do so. Not even out of desperation. But she IS starving... and that
              apple... surely one apple won't be missed...?

              The dinosaur sequences were magnificent, I thought. I hope that the
              extended-version DVD, when it comes out, will have the plesiosaur
              sequence from the original. I think they filmed it, but chopped it
              out for time. It MIGHT have been a 4-hour movie, otherwise, from what
              I've heard! As it is, I felt that the 3-hours running time just flew
              by. Some thought it dragged at points, but I remembered to urinate
              before sitting in the theater, and I didn't get desperate for a
              bathroom break! Three hours just flew by, I thought. Not since Oliver
              Stone's "JFK" have I seen a 3-hour film go by so fast. I've seen
              movies that are only 1 and a half to 2 hours long seem to take
              forever to end. Not this one, though.

              I also appreciate the fact that Jackson went to a great deal of
              trouble to make the ending line "work" in the context of this film.
              Jack Black, in an interview in GQ (I think) told the interviewer that
              the line is like "To be or not to be" in "HAMLET". You DON'T want to
              f*** it up. But... how DO you deliver the line, "It was beauty killed
              the beast"? How do you do it without it coming across as cheesy and
              stupid?

              By setting up the earlier scenes, where Ann Darrow puts her fist to
              her heart and tells Kong that the sunset they're watching on that
              clifftop is "beautiful"... where Ann sees Kong mimic ("ape") her
              gesture on top of the Empire State Building, intimating that he took
              her up there because the view of the sunset was as "beautiful" as it
              was at that place on Skull Island... well, it seemed to me that
              Denham -- who must have heard her describe at least the first of
              those two moments, during the boatride back to New York City -- was
              acknowledging Kong's ability to appreciate Beauty. And that THAT was
              the reason, ultimately, that he allowed himself to be cornered up on
              top of the building. He wasn't just a dumb animal, as the soldier
              claimed. The scary life on Skull Island -- Kill or Be Killed -- had
              been made more precious by having encountered this strange little
              blonde creature. For the first time in his life, perhaps, Kong
              laughs... seeing this little actress do her vaudeville routines for
              him. Imagine fighting dinosaurs every waking day of your life...
              being battle-scarred from each dangerous encounter after the other...
              and then inexplicably finding JOY in something other than the
              beautiful sunset? That's why he takes her up to that spot, later, to
              watch the sunset with him. To share in that beauty. None of that was
              in the original version, and by including it in THIS version, Jackson
              makes this remake WORK.

              I enjoyed the De Laurentiis version for what it was worth, though I
              never acknowledged it to be a great film by any means. It was fun,
              and I liked the updated Oil Company angle they played, with Jeff
              Bridges being an Ivy League environmentalist opposed to Grodin's
              exploitation of first the island's natives and then of Kong. But I
              didn't cry at the end of that version of Kong. I did shed some tears
              at the end of Jackson's version, though. The whole damned theater
              didn't have one dry eye! That, ultimately, is the greatest homage he
              made to the original: you CARE about the tragedy at the end. You
              mourn for this dark-skinned, exploited beast. Because he is NOT just
              a dumb animal. Especially, after having seen him protect Ann from
              three -- count 'em, THREE -- V-Rex dinosaurs... you CARE about the
              fate of this creature. After all the harshness he's endured on that
              island as the last of his kind -- the bones of his deceased family
              littering his 'home' -- he is still able to find a way to connect
              with another living creature on a personal level. What Jackson added
              to the story helped to make Kong more of a poignant figure. It helps
              that Andy Serkis went out of his way to study REAL gorillas in the
              wild, to portray this 25-foot ape more realistically than has ever
              been done, outside of "GORILLAS IN THE MIST".

              It's a terrific achievement, and I personally would give it 4-stars.
              Out of 4. Just because it isn't the original... what kind of argument
              is that? Heston's version of "BEN-HUR" isn't the original one -- it's
              a remake of a silent film. So, too, is the color version he acted in
              of "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" -- De Mille had previously done an earlier
              version in Black & White. Jackson's version of "KING KONG" isn't the
              original -- so what? The original, magnificent "KING KONG" will
              always be with us; and now, it will soon share shelf-space with
              Jackson's magnificent re-telling. It's a terrific movie, and I'm glad
              to have seen it in a theater, rather than just renting it on DVD.
              Jackson's one of the few movie makers out there, it seems, who make
              movies that beg to be seen in a theater.

              "CHEAPER BY THE DOZEN 2"... I can wait until Comedy Central runs it,
              a couple years from now! Or, I don't even need to see it, since I
              never saw the first one, and I've heard that neither was all that
              good anyway. A waste of Steve Martin's talents. Certainly there's no
              compelling urge to see these cheap-o comedies on the big screen. But
              KONG...? THIS is what the big screen was made for!

              Patrick
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              --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:
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              > In a message dated 12/20/05 12:08:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
              > mlccougar@a... writes:
              >
              >
              > > I will say that the original IS the "classic", especially when
              you consider what they did back then as far as making the film...
              But, what was said here is true, the acting ISN'T that great: It's
              very "30's styles" acting, which detracts from the story... Some here
              have said the action sequences in the new film are "over the top",
              but they're nowhere near as "over the top" as the acting in the
              original...
              > >
              >
              > Phooey! This is like saying, "Oh, that original KING KONG is just
              too 1933. I can't stand it!"
              >
              > Either you know how to appreciate old movies or you don't.
              >
              > One thing I know -- and I know it for a FACT! -- the original will
              be remember long after Jackson's film is forgotten!
              >
              > -- Rory

              *** With all due respect, Rory, the original will be remembered
              longer BECAUSE it is the source for Jackson's remake. Audiences in
              the future who shy away from Black & White movies won't hesitate to
              see Jackson's film version... and if they LOVE it, they'll go out of
              their way to see the film he remade. THAT will help to keep the
              original "KING KONG" around -- not just available to be seen, but
              SEEN. If for no other reason than that, you should appreciate the
              effect Jackson's film will have for posterity. People yet unborn will
              watch Jackson's version -- never having seen the original -- and
              they'll track down a copy of the original movie just to see why
              Jackson was so driven to retell the story. And, with any luck,
              they'll be able to appreciate the original for what it was, despite
              the limitations.

              Certainly, nobody ever saw -- or will see -- Burton's film
              entitled "PLANET OF THE APES" and then be compelled to see the 1968
              film, if they hadn't already seen it. Somebody who's never seen the
              original "PLANET" might never bother if they've seen Burton's
              godawful version and assumed that it was a remake of a crappy movie.
              Wouldn't THAT be sad?

              Patrick
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              Group: potadg Message: 34353 From: patrickmichaeltilton Date: 12/28/2005
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              Speaking of "KING KONG", Jeff Krueger sent me a X-mas card, hand-drawn
              by himself, depicting some POTA apes throwing snowballs at Kong atop
              the Empire State Building (or, of a POTA gorilla on a snow-ice
              sculpture that looks like the Empire State Building, since the scale of
              the gorilla is the same as the apes chucking snowballs at him).

              It seems to be wholly original -- I can see the original pencils over
              which ink-pens and colored pencils were drawn. Jeffie made this card
              just for me, it looks like, and I just wanted him to know that it was a
              nice gesture. On the inside it says:

              Hi Patrick!

              HANG IN THERE THIS YEAR!

              Jeff

              I hope he (you, Jeff) and everybody else here had/has/is-having a good
              time over the holidays. I've been so damned busy that I've only just
              now gotten a chance to catch up on my Yahoo emails, etc. A little bit
              of X-mas goes a LONNNNNG way with me, and I'm glad it's over.

              Thanks again, Jeff, for the card.

              "Well... the snowballs got him."

              "It wasn't the snowballs... twas Beauty killed the Beast!"

              Patrick
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              Group: potadg Message: 34354 From: Greg Plonowski Date: 12/28/2005
              Subject: Marvel UK issue 63
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              It begins here! We go right from the end of the Escape adaptation last week, jumping ahead about 18 years Earth-time to Marvel's adaptation on Conquest of the Planet of the Apes! The amazing Alfredo Alcala is back doing the art, so those of you who haven't seen these comics are in for a treat.
               
              This week's bonus features are two photos: one from Planet and one from Conquest, and a letter column.
               
              I would be remiss if I didn't note for Ape comics fans everywhere that today is the day you'll be able to purchase the first issue of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, the new Apes comic from Mr. Comics. Support your local comic store. Not sure you have one? Try the comic store locator service here:
               
               
              If the nearest store is too far away, you can order the comic on line at either of these two links:
               
               
               
               
              Greg 
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              Group: potadg Message: 34355 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
              Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
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              I saw it last weekend.  To quote one reviewer, "Even I could see where to cut"  It should be called  KING LONG.  As if that wasn't enough the overly dramatic acting was laughable.  Especially Jack Blacks -- I half expected him to break into a Tenacious D song.  But everyone's was awful.  Naomi Watts dramatic pause before getting on the ship and her little speeches.   Adrien Brody's musings about his play -- and his giant "Bigger then Kong's nostrils were very distracting. It was looking up a pair of tunnels.   Even the ship's crew was terrible.  From the Captain to the First Officer right down to the Cabin Boy.  I didn't believe a single performance.  Not one. 
               
              It's like that old anecdote about when some Suit commented to Harrison Ford that he didn't think he'd make it in Show Biz.  He said -- by way of explanation, that when Tony Curtis was first in a movie, he delivered a bag of groceries and you took one look at that person and you knew that was a movie star. Ford leaned across his desk and said, "I thought you were supposed to think he was a grocery delivery boy."
               
              And the SFX, though great, were such drawn out scenes, with so many unbelievable narrow escapes as to be Unbelievable.  So much so that when someone did die, you were like, FINALLY!  Not that there weren't many deaths.  There were so many you wondered how they got that many crew members on that little tub of a ship.  But the ratios was so off!
               
              For example:  The Spider Pit scene, with the giant grasshoppers.  The guy was covered in them.  Now I don't know if you've ever fired a machine gun, but it is not something you would ever want to use to pick bugs, even giant ones, off someone with, especially a Thompson.
               
              But the whole movie was like this.  The scene with the Brontosauruses falling all over each other in the canyon and people running between their legs?  Oh please!  I could have believed it if it was only 5 minutes long.  And I'm pretty sure I'm not exaggerating on that.  And it reminded me of the Mammoths in LOTR 2.  In fact just about everything reminded me of LOTR from the walls on Skull Island to the vistas of Manhattan.  I can understand that he has a style, and that he used the same artists from LOTR, but it was so reminiscent that if he had a John Fogerty Deal he's have to sue himself for infringement.
               
              All the scenes, even the good ones, were just too long.  If I'm checking my watch in the middle of an Action Sequence, you need a cut.  It was just one thing after another right down the ice skating stuff.  It's like he was trying to justify every dollar he spent by putting it on the screen.  I could have saved him tens of millions of dollars and about 45 minutes on the running time.  Of course I'd have to spend some of that savings reshooting the actors reading their lines believably, but still . . .
               
              Don't get me wrong.  There is a good movie in there, somewhere.  But you just have to whittle it down to find it. Just like you have to cut every scene  without Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, or the Limbo One Liners, the Heston Scene, and the fake fighting from POTAY2K1.
               
              Okay, I've gone on far to seriously long enough, by half, on this review, and it's starting to look like one of "Pat's Posts".  I just believe if you're going to do a subject that's unbelievable, you have to treat it in a believable way.  Depression Era Manhattan is not Middle Earth.  And my suspension of disbelief, much like my bladder, can only be stretched so far.
               
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 34356 From: Haristas@aol.com Date: 12/28/2005
              Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****
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              There is a good movie in there, somewhere.


              Yeah, it's called the 1933 original!!!!

              -- Rory
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              I thought it was terrific, and I'm kinda confused as to how
              Rory can give it 3 stars and still hate it. I can understand hating a
              1-star film or a 0-star film, but a 3-star film? If a film gets an A
              (4-stars), it's generally considered top-notch. A 3-star film is like
              getting a B -- above average, but not as good as an A. A "C" film, 2-
              stars, would be average, at best. A 1-star film is like a "D" on a
              test -- below average... but still not the worst. A 0-star film would
              be like an "F".

              How can Jackson's film be 3-stars, Rory, and still be worthy of being
              hated by you?


              Stick it, Patrick!!!

              I didn't like it, never said I hated it.  I just don't think it's very good.  Three stars means I think it's good, but not very good (that would merit three and a half stars), and certainly not four stars, which means excellent.  Learn your star ratings!!!

              What do you know about serious film criticism, PatDICK?  You think BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a good movie!

              -- Rory
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              Group: potadg Message: 34358 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
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              In a message dated 12/28/2005 1:57:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
              Yeah, it's called the 1933 original!!!!
               
              Yeah, I agree.  I'm not saying they had to do a shot-for-shot
              remake ala Psycho.  But it was just so far off on tangents.
              Ironic that the Cabin Boy was reading Conrad's Heart Of
              Darkness, since that was the movie that Orson Wells
              was trying to make when the Studio shut the production
              down because it was getting too overblown, and he had
              to make Citizen Kane instead.  The operative word there
              is "OVERBLOWN".  Peter Jackson is only shooting
              himself in the foot by trying to put everything including
              the kitchen sink in his movie.  He should show some
              restraint and learn a bit of subtlety
               
              I can't believe that last word is spelled like that.  Shouldn't it be
              spelled S-U-D-D-E-L-T-Y, like it's pronounced?
               
              Anyway, the point is, since Kong hasn't preformed to expectation
              it may be like Wells' South American film was for him.  And no
              studio will ever give him free reign on a $200 million plus dollar
              movie again.  And that's probably a good thing.  This was much
              like his POTA2K1, except instead of too much studio interference,
              there wasn't enough, and he ran amok.  There is a 500 Ton Monster
              loose in the city, and it's not Kong.  It's Peter Jackson in Hollywood!
               
               
               
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              In a message dated 12/28/2005 2:07:42 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:
              I can understand hating a 1-star film or a 0-star film, but a 3-star film?
               
              I completely understand it.  There are 0 - Star films that I absolutely
              love!  The Citizen Kane of bad monster movies, Latitude Zero comes
              to mind.  It even has Joseph Cotton, one of the stars of Citizen Kane
              in it.  There are also 4 - Star flicks that were "GREAT" films that I
              never want to have to sit through again.  I'm glad I've seen them.
              And they are the type of film everyone should see, if only to
              avoid the sin of being culturally unaware.  But would I buy
              it and add it to my library?  Oh, hell no!  Any more than
              I want a copy of Tolstoy's War & Peace taking up
              space on my bookshelf.  And no, I haven't read
              it.  I saw the film, and it's in the same category.
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 34360 From: LordTZer0@AOL.com Date: 12/28/2005
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              Kong is one of those movies too.
              I'm glad I saw it.  If only so I can
              read the spoiler laden emails.
              And it did have it's moments,
              though not enough for a 3-hour
              film.  But If I ever buy it, I will
              be editing it down to a watchable
              version.  Which is what he should
              have done.  And if not, then the
              studio should have done it for him,
              and released this version on the
              DVD, as the unedited directors cut.
               
               
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              Group: potadg Message: 34361 From: ron kenner Date: 12/28/2005
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              what edit program do you use for this?
              (i have dreams of pota2001 re-edit)

              LordTZer0@... wrote:
               
              Kong is one of those movies too.
              I'm glad I saw it.  If only so I can
              read the spoiler laden emails.
              And it did have it's moments,
              though not enough for a 3-hour
              film.  But If I ever buy it, I will
              be editing it down to a watchable
              version.  Which is what he should
              have done.  And if not, then the
              studio should have done it for him,
              and released this version on the
              DVD, as the unedited directors cut.
               
               


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                Group: potadg Message: 34364 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
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                Thanks Greg - they even have a distributor here in CANBERRA!  J

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
                Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:18 AM
                To: friends & fugitives; potadg@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] Marvel UK issue 63

                 

                It begins here! We go right from the end of the Escape adaptation last week, jumping ahead about 18 years Earth-time to Marvel's adaptation on Conquest of the Planet of the Apes! The amazing Alfredo Alcala is back doing the art, so those of you who haven't seen these comics are in for a treat.

                 

                This week's bonus features are two photos: one from Planet and one from Conquest, and a letter column.

                 

                I would be remiss if I didn't note for Ape comics fans everywhere that today is the day you'll be able to purchase the first issue of Revolution on the Planet of the Apes, the new Apes comic from Mr. Comics. Support your local comic store. Not sure you have one? Try the comic store locator service here:

                 

                 

                If the nearest store is too far away, you can order the comic on line at either of these two links:

                 

                 

                 

                 

                Greg 

                 


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                Group: potadg Message: 34365 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
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                Gotta agree with all these points, but I still really enjoyed it.

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LordTZer0@...
                Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 5:30 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) ****SPOILERS OTA !!!!!****

                 

                I saw it last weekend.  To quote one reviewer, "Even I could see where to cut"  It should be called  KING LONG.  As if that wasn't enough the overly dramatic acting was laughable.  Especially Jack Blacks -- I half expected him to break into a Tenacious D song.  But everyone's was awful.  Naomi Watts dramatic pause before getting on the ship and her little speeches.   Adrien Brody's musings about his play -- and his giant "Bigger then Kong's nostrils were very distracting. It was looking up a pair of tunnels.   Even the ship's crew was terrible.  From the Captain to the First Officer right down to the Cabin Boy.  I didn't believe a single performance.  Not one. 

                 

                It's like that old anecdote about when some Suit commented to Harrison Ford that he didn't think he'd make it in Show Biz.  He said -- by way of explanation, that when Tony Curtis was first in a movie, he delivered a bag of groceries and you took one look at that person and you knew that was a movie star. Ford leaned across his desk and said, "I thought you were supposed to think he was a grocery delivery boy."

                 

                And the SFX, though great, were such drawn out scenes, with so many unbelievable narrow escapes as to be Unbelievable.  So much so that when someone did die, you were like, FINALLY!  Not that there weren't many deaths.  There were so many you wondered how they got that many crew members on that little tub of a ship.  But the ratios was so off!

                 

                For example:  The Spider Pit scene, with the giant grasshoppers.  The guy was covered in them.  Now I don't know if you've ever fired a machine gun, but it is not something you would ever want to use to pick bugs, even giant ones, off someone with, especially a Thompson.

                 

                But the whole movie was like this.  The scene with the Brontosauruses falling all over each other in the canyon and people running between their legs?  Oh please!  I could have believed it if it was only 5 minutes long.  And I'm pretty sure I'm not exaggerating on that.  And it reminded me of the Mammoths in LOTR 2.  In fact just about everything reminded me of LOTR from the walls on Skull Island to the vistas of Manhattan.  I can understand that he has a style, and that he used the same artists from LOTR, but it was so reminiscent that if he had a John Fogerty Deal he's have to sue himself for infringement.

                 

                All the scenes, even the good ones, were just too long.  If I'm checking my watch in the middle of an Action Sequence, you need a cut.  It was just one thing after another right down the ice skating stuff.  It's like he was trying to justify every dollar he spent by putting it on the screen.  I could have saved him tens of millions of dollars and about 45 minutes on the running time.  Of course I'd have to spend some of that savings reshooting the actors reading their lines believably, but still . . .

                 

                Don't get me wrong.  There is a good movie in there, somewhere.  But you just have to whittle it down to find it. Just like you have to cut every scene  without Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, or the Limbo One Liners, the Heston Scene, and the fake fighting from POTAY2K1.

                 

                Okay, I've gone on far to seriously long enough, by half, on this review, and it's starting to look like one of "Pat's Posts".  I just believe if you're going to do a subject that's unbelievable, you have to treat it in a believable way.  Depression Era Manhattan is not Middle Earth.  And my suspension of disbelief, much like my bladder, can only be stretched so far.

                 

                 

                 


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                Group: potadg Message: 34366 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
                Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
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                James would place you on moderation right now Rory!  ;)

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
                Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 7:02 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

                 

                In a message dated 12/28/05 8:59:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:



                I thought it was terrific, and I'm kinda confused as to how
                Rory can give it 3 stars and still hate it. I can understand hating a
                1-star film or a 0-star film, but a 3-star film? If a film gets an A
                (4-stars), it's generally considered top-notch. A 3-star film is like
                getting a B -- above average, but not as good as an A. A "C" film, 2-
                stars, would be average, at best. A 1-star film is like a "D" on a
                test -- below average... but still not the worst. A 0-star film would
                be like an "F".

                How can Jackson's film be 3-stars, Rory, and still be worthy of being
                hated by you?



                Stick it, Patrick!!!

                I didn't like it, never said I hated it.  I just don't think it's very good.  Three stars means I think it's good, but not very good (that would merit three and a half stars), and certainly not four stars, which means excellent.  Learn your star ratings!!!

                What do you know about serious film criticism, PatDICK?  You think BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a good movie!

                -- Rory

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                Group: potadg Message: 34367 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
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                For POTA 2001 I would use the DELETE button!

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ron kenner
                Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 8:00 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [PotaDG] There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Jackaon

                 

                what edit program do you use for this?

                (i have dreams of pota2001 re-edit)

                LordTZer0@... wrote:

                 

                Kong is one of those movies too.

                I'm glad I saw it.  If only so I can

                read the spoiler laden emails.

                And it did have it's moments,

                though not enough for a 3-hour

                film.  But If I ever buy it, I will

                be editing it down to a watchable

                version.  Which is what he should

                have done.  And if not, then the

                studio should have done it for him,

                and released this version on the

                DVD, as the unedited directors cut.

                 

                 

                 


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                Group: potadg Message: 34368 From: Neil Date: 12/28/2005
                Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
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                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
                > James would place you on moderation right now Rory! ;)

                -- And he would be well within his rights to do so, if we were
                moderated I would have done it as well. There is no need for this sort
                of reply.
                I don't think we need to read posts that resort to name calling etc.

                Neil
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                Group: potadg Message: 34369 From: John Date: 12/28/2005
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                I can't believe a hippy like you has turned into "the Man" and is
                trying to "keep us down". Didn't you take some kinda oath not to turn
                into this back at Woodstock? Boys will fight like girls and though it
                is distasteful, it sure is entertaining. Please don't yell at me. Its
                my parents fault for not raising me right. I can't help it.





                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
                >
                > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
                > > James would place you on moderation right now Rory! ;)
                >
                > -- And he would be well within his rights to do so, if we were
                > moderated I would have done it as well. There is no need for this
                sort
                > of reply.
                > I don't think we need to read posts that resort to name calling etc.
                >
                > Neil
                >
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                Group: potadg Message: 34370 From: Neil Date: 12/28/2005
                Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
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                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
                > I can't believe a hippy like you has turned into "the Man" and is
                trying to "keep us down". Didn't you take some kinda oath not to turn
                into this back at Woodstock? Boys will fight like girls and though it>
                is distasteful, it sure is entertaining.

                -- Fine I won't bother mentioning it again. We can just go ahead and
                slag each other off then.
                I just thought it may be nice to still have at least one POTA group
                that can carry on with intelligent conversations and be able to
                discuss things rationally that make at least a bit of sense.

                Sorry for caring.

                Neil
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                Group: potadg Message: 34371 From: Michael Whitty Date: 12/28/2005
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                You are the devil’s pawn, John!  J

                 

                Rory, could you please stop the name-calling?  Or better still, go do it on James’ group and tell me how you go… 

                 

                Michael

                 

                -----Original Message-----
                From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
                Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 8:58 AM
                To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

                 

                I can't believe a hippy like you has turned into "the Man" and is
                trying to "keep us down". Didn't you take some kinda oath not to turn
                into this back at Woodstock? Boys will fight like girls and though it
                is distasteful, it sure is entertaining. Please don't yell at me. Its
                my parents fault for not raising me right. I can't help it.





                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
                >
                > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
                > > James would place you on moderation right now Rory!  ;)
                >
                > -- And he would be well within his rights to do so, if we were
                > moderated I would have done it as well. There is no need for this
                sort
                > of reply.
                > I don't think we need to read posts that resort to name calling etc.
                >
                > Neil


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                Group: potadg Message: 34372 From: John Date: 12/28/2005
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                Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the
                messages where they really get mad at each other are the only reason
                I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I have
                a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take offesnse
                to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and theories
                and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I love
                it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
                that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't function
                fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
                somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love this
                group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes and
                respects the members of this group and if we go at each other every
                now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about our
                love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
                together in the first place.




                --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
                >
                > You are the devil's pawn, John! :-)
                >
                > Rory, could you please stop the name-calling? Or better still, go
                do it
                > on James' group and tell me how you go.
                >
                > Michael
                >
                > -----Original Message-----
                > From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
                Behalf
                > Of John
                > Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 8:58 AM
                > To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
                >
                > I can't believe a hippy like you has turned into "the Man" and is
                > trying to "keep us down". Didn't you take some kinda oath not to
                turn
                > into this back at Woodstock? Boys will fight like girls and though
                it
                > is distasteful, it sure is entertaining. Please don't yell at me.
                Its
                > my parents fault for not raising me right. I can't help it.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
                > >
                > > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...>
                wrote:
                > > > James would place you on moderation right now Rory! ;)
                > >
                > > -- And he would be well within his rights to do so, if we were
                > > moderated I would have done it as well. There is no need for this
                > sort
                > > of reply.
                > > I don't think we need to read posts that resort to name calling
                etc.
                > >
                > > Neil
                >
                > --
                >
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