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Dates: 2005-12-28 through 2005-12-31

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Group: potadg	Message: 34373	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!

Group: potadg	Message: 34374	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34375	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

Group: potadg	Message: 34376	From: Neil T Foster	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes PDFs

Group: potadg	Message: 34377	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34378	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34379	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34380	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34381	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

Group: potadg	Message: 34382	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34383	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34384	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

Group: potadg	Message: 34385	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34386	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34387	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34388	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34389	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34390	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34391	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34392	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Continuing the excitment

Group: potadg	Message: 34393	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

Group: potadg	Message: 34394	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

Group: potadg	Message: 34395	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes PDFs

Group: potadg	Message: 34396	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34397	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34398	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34399	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34400	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

Group: potadg	Message: 34401	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34402	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34403	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

Group: potadg	Message: 34404	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: MORE Thanks to Veetus!

Group: potadg	Message: 34405	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

Group: potadg	Message: 34406	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

Group: potadg	Message: 34407	From: branchbrood	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: CAN I MAKE FILE LARGER?

Group: potadg	Message: 34408	From: John	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

Group: potadg	Message: 34409	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

Group: potadg	Message: 34410	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34411	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34412	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34413	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

Group: potadg	Message: 34414	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

Group: potadg	Message: 34415	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

Group: potadg	Message: 34416	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34417	From: Rob	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34418	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34419	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: New Sideshow Collectible

Group: potadg	Message: 34420	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG

Group: potadg	Message: 34421	From: Neil T Foster	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #59

Group: potadg	Message: 34422	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34423	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

Group: potadg	Message: 34424	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34425	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34426	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

Group: potadg	Message: 34427	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: New Sideshow Collectible

Group: potadg	Message: 34428	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

Group: potadg	Message: 34429	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34430	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34431	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34432	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

Group: potadg	Message: 34433	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

Group: potadg	Message: 34434	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34435	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34436	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34437	From: Ty Templeton	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34438	From: merlynpota	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34439	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34440	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34441	From: Ty Templeton	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34442	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34443	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34444	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34445	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Happy 2006!

Group: potadg	Message: 34446	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34447	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34448	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34449	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: WHAT!?!??!

Group: potadg	Message: 34450	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: WHAT!?!??!

Group: potadg	Message: 34451	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: APES Promos

Group: potadg	Message: 34452	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34453	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Mr. T vs POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 34454	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34455	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Happy 2006!

Group: potadg	Message: 34456	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mr. T vs POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 34457	From: Neil	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Happy 2006!

Group: potadg	Message: 34458	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34459	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34460	From: mystic4ever	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Talking 'bout a REVOLUTION (spoiler warning)

Group: potadg	Message: 34461	From: canadianapefandan	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: MORE Thanks to Veetus!

Group: potadg	Message: 34462	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1913

Group: potadg	Message: 34463	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1914

Group: potadg	Message: 34464	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1914

Group: potadg	Message: 34465	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Message

Group: potadg	Message: 34466	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Message

Group: potadg	Message: 34467	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Shameless Mith!

Group: potadg	Message: 34468	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Message

Group: potadg	Message: 34469	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34470	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34471	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mr. T vs POTA

Group: potadg	Message: 34472	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Group: potadg	Message: 34373	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Christmas Present for the POTADG!

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Bravo!! Encore! Encore!!

Tim

--- Michael Whitty <whitty@...> wrote:

> Neil has kindly provided the final chapter of WITHIN
> THE PLANET OF THE
> APES.
>
> You can access the file at the URL:
>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDG/files/Within%20the%20Planet%20of%

>

20the%20Apes/Current%20Chapter/Chapter85%2086%2087%2088.jpg

>
>
> Have a great Christmas everybody!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>

__________________________________

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Group: potadg	Message: 34374	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

>Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the

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Group: potadg	Message: 34375	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

> Due to the amount of files this busy group accumulates I have had to

start another new subgroup!
You can now find some of the group's Files at the Planet of the Apes
DG Photos 2 group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2/
And yes, you will have to join this group to access the files, sorry
but it couldn't be helped as this is the only way we can keep these
files and the last thing we would want to do is delete stuff when we
run out of storage space because then its gone forever!

-- I forgot to mention that I have cobbled together a few
more 'panorama' shots from Return and they can be found with all the
old ones in the Return paintings folder in the files section.

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34376	From: Neil T Foster	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes PDFs

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Just a reminder that If you want to read Within the Planet of the Apes from the very first episode (and you want to see it in better detail than in the scaled down versions that we have been revisiting daily) you can now find all the chapters at the original DG Photos group:

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/

Just check out the Within the Planet of the Apes folder.

They have been collected as pages in PDF format by Greg Plonowski.

They were written by some bloke called Whitty and drawn by some freaky old hippy!

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34377	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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*** First, I wrote this:

> > I thought [Jackson's "KING KONG"] was terrific, and I'm kinda

confused as to how Rory can give it 3 stars and still hate it.

> >
> > How can Jackson's film be 3-stars, Rory, and still be worthy of

being hated by you?
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*** And then Rory wrote this:

> Stick it, Patrick!!!
>
> I didn't like it, never said I hated it. I just don't think it's

very good. Three stars means I think it's good, but not very good
(that would merit three and a half stars), and certainly not four
stars, which means excellent.

*** I point your attention to Message 34149, where Rory wrote this:

>I've just seen and guess what?

>HATED IT!!!

>It wasn't all bad, but too much of it was just wrong, wrong, wrong,

but then I knew it would be like this.

>Stick with the original. '33 version still rules.

>-- Rory

*** You "never said you hated it", Rory? It was the FIRST G**D***ED
THING YOU SAID ABOUT IT!!! Are you suffering from Alzheimer's like
Chuck, you old fart? Are you THAT forgetful of your own words? Jeezus
H. Christ, Rory, you wrote "HATED IT!!!" in all caps, with three --
count 'em -- THREE exclamation points. That's the only reason that I
concluded that you "hated" this remake of "KONG" -- because you
friggin' SAID SO.

> Learn your star ratings!!!

*** What's there to learn? It's like I said:

A = ****
B = ***
C = **
D = *
F = Zero stars

Unless you're like Siskel & Ebert, with the ol' Thumbs Up or Thumbs
Down method. Some places give 5 stars, which throws the above system
off, but most of the movie reviews I've read go with 4-stars [****]
being the best and 0-stars being the worst.

>
> What do you know about serious film criticism, PatDICK? You think

BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a good movie!

>
> -- Rory

*** I know what I like and what I don't like. Like T, there are 4-
star movies that I don't particularly care for and there are some 1-
star movies that I enjoy, though I recognize that they aren't 4-star
films. When I judge a movie, it's by a number of criteria, including
the LIMITATIONS that the filmmakers had when they made it.

Case in point, Burton's POTA. It had virtually NO limitations of
budget. They had untold millions to spend on it, with state-of-the-
art special effects are their disposal. There was no reason for it to
suck so bad. All they needed was a decent script. But despite having
YEARS to come up with a good POTA remake, they couldn't get a decent
script written. And they went with the mediocre one they wound up
with. Despite having no budget or SFX worries, they churned out a
stinker.

"BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES", however, suffered the most of
all the POTA sequels in that it had virtually NO budget to speak of.
They had to cut corners all over the goddamned place just to get a
movie made, and to keep it in the G-rated bracket (at the insistence
of the studio).

Yet, despite those shortcomings, they made a movie that was ABOUT
something, and that was a worthy wrap-up to the ongoing storyline
that began with "BENEATH". The sequels form the epic story of Caesar,
whose life follows the pattern of the epic hero. He has a miraculous
birth (having been conceived in the Future and been born in the
Past)... he's endangered as a child (like Zeus, Hercules, Moses,
Jesus, etc)... he comes of age and becomes a hero for his people...
and, towards the end of his life's journey he DESCENDS INTO HELL and
communes with the spirits of his deceased parents regarding the
destiny of his people, just like Aeneas in "THE AENEID" of the Roman
poet Virgil (the dude the orangutan in "BATTLE" was named
after). "BATTLE" is about the Nature of Mankind -- the big question
as to whether or not Man is able to transcend his own violent past,
or whether he is doomed to fall into the same mistakes that have
beset our sad species since before History.

Is "BATTLE" a great film? No. Fox hamstringed it by cutting budgets
all over the place, thus preventing it from being great. But it WAS a
good film, no matter how much it suffers in comparison to the
original 1968 "PLANET". "BATTLE" had something to say about the Human
Species that was rather profound, as did all the APES sequels.

I'll be the first to admit that all the APES films would've been even
better if they had been given MORE money and time to work with. As
things stood, though, they churned out 4 movies at a rate of almost
one per year, each with a successively smaller budget. And yet they
were all good films due to having great stories written in decent
scripts. They weren't perfect, no. But I ain't never seen a perfect
film, Rory, not even the original "KING KONG" or "PLANET OF THE
APES". If I were in a bad mood, I could easily knock holes in any
movie you cherished -- even if I too liked it, by playing 'Devil's
advocate'.

But liking a movie and recognizing what is good or bad in it is all
rather subjective. I am fascinated by a movie that FEW people will
ever admit to liking -- John Boorman's "ZARDOZ". I think it's a
magnificent film... and most people (critics especially) HATE it with
a passion. I'll never convince them that it's good, and they'll never
convince me that it AIN'T good. I like what I like and you like what
you like. You said you "hated" Jackson's new "KONG", right after
Mlccougar wrote to say "it is an EXCELLENT movie". I happen to agree
with Cougar on this matter (God knows we disagree on plenty of other
things!).

Opinions are opinions. On some things, I think your opinion is
worthwhile. On other things, I think you're full of it. And I'm sure
the latter sentiment is shared by you with the pronouns switched
around.

So what?

Like what you like, Rory. Be my guest. But why do you have to be such
a creep when somebody differs with your opinion? I never asked you to
apologize for hating Jackson's version -- if you don't dig it, that's
your right... there ain't no law that says you have to like it. But
for you to infer that my NOT hating it -- or that I'm wrong to
consider "BATTLE" a good film -- means that I have no sense
of "serious film criticism" is just bullshit. Film critics don't even
agree with each other, most of the time, so why the f*** should I
consider their opinion over my own?

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 34378	From: Neil	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> I am fascinated by a movie that FEW people will ever admit to

liking -- John Boorman's "ZARDOZ". I think it's a magnificent film...
and most people (critics especially) HATE it with a passion.

-- Oh no I agree with Patrick! ;-)

Just kidding Pat, I too thought Zardoz was a fantastic film though I
haven't seen it for quite a few years now.

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34379	From: patrickmichaeltilton	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:

>
> Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the

messages where they really get mad at each other are the only reason
I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I have
a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take offesnse
to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and theories
and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I love
it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't function
fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love this
group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes and
respects the members of this group and if we go at each other every
now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about our
love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
together in the first place.

*** I don't take offense at your love of the occasional out-of-
control moments, etc. Didn't Lewis Dixon enjoy watching two boxers
pummel each other? "How d'ya like it, Cornelius?!" -- "It's beastly!"

You have no idea how much restraint I use when I respond to one of
Rory's blasts of ass gas. I get SOOOO tempted to go into Cartman
mode, that it's a wonder I don't blow a gasket verbally. On occasion,
Rory has an opinion I agree with, which is why I've gone out of my
way to voice a disagreement with him by prefacing it with: "With all
due respect..."

I may not agree with his opinions at times, but I've always respected
his right to have a differing opinion. I get the distinct impression
that he doesn't have the same respect for me when I disagree with
him, as evidenced by the "PatDICK" line in Message 34357.

But Rory's a crusty old fart, and there's no changing him now. The
only changing he'll ever experience is when the nurse changes his
Depends adult diapers. Or does he use the brand "Whoops! I crapped my
pants!" instead? (that's an SNL reference, for those who are
wondering).

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 34380	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Gotta agree with all these points, but I still really enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it too, except when I was pulled out of it,

which was way too often. I expected better.

And I changed my mind about Jackson

directing any POTA films. I don't want

it over-dramatized or overly long.

I wouldn't mind a 3 hour POTA

as long as it feels like an hour,

and not 4 hours

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Group: potadg	Message: 34381	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:01:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, brindlepit2002@... writes:

what edit program do you use for this?

It's called a VCR. I have a video program

that came with my All-In-Wonder card.

Pinnacle Studio 8, but I haven't ever used it.

When I get a new computer I'll try to get

the best media editing software I can.

Pro-Tools and Coo Edit Pro were two of

the best for audio. Not sure about video

but I see Canopus video software all over

the Net. I think Edius is one of their

programs. If anyone knows some of

the better programs I'd love to hear

yout input on the subject. Most

of the programs I've had in the past

were not top of the line stuff.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34382	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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I have entered the world of blogging by discussing King Kong.

http://psychologyofkingkong.blogstream.com/

Elaine

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Group: potadg	Message: 34383	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:38:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Learn your star ratings!!!

I prefer the 5-star rating system.

Here's what the POTA films are

listed as in the Movie & Video Guide,

Though I think POTA should be 5 Stars.

POTA - * * * * 1/2

Beneath * * * *

Escape * * * * 1/2

Conquest * * *

Battle * *

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Group: potadg	Message: 34384	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
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In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:42:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

For POTA 2001 I would use the DELETE button!

I'd only put it a half a star behind Battle.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34385	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 4:35:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I love it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
that matter) said that they lose control.

Yeah, it can be fun, but don't encourage me.

I'll get kicked off and have to become a lurker.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34386	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 6:01:47 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

I too thought Zardoz was a fantastic film

Zardoz is equally good & bad.

It's a product of it's time. Like

a really good Logan's Run. Or

a really bad Blade Runner.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34387	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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See. The angrier we get, the more entertaining the post become.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> *** First, I wrote this:
>
> > > I thought [Jackson's "KING KONG"] was terrific, and I'm kinda
> confused as to how Rory can give it 3 stars and still hate it.
> > >
> > > How can Jackson's film be 3-stars, Rory, and still be worthy of
> being hated by you?
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *** And then Rory wrote this:
>
> > Stick it, Patrick!!!
> >
> > I didn't like it, never said I hated it. I just don't think it's
> very good. Three stars means I think it's good, but not very good
> (that would merit three and a half stars), and certainly not four
> stars, which means excellent.
>
> *** I point your attention to Message 34149, where Rory wrote this:
>
> >I've just seen and guess what?
>
> >HATED IT!!!
>
> >It wasn't all bad, but too much of it was just wrong, wrong,

wrong,

> but then I knew it would be like this.
>
> >Stick with the original. '33 version still rules.
>
> >-- Rory
>
> *** You "never said you hated it", Rory? It was the FIRST G**D***ED
> THING YOU SAID ABOUT IT!!! Are you suffering from Alzheimer's like
> Chuck, you old fart? Are you THAT forgetful of your own words?

Jeezus

> H. Christ, Rory, you wrote "HATED IT!!!" in all caps, with three --
> count 'em -- THREE exclamation points. That's the only reason that

> concluded that you "hated" this remake of "KONG" -- because you
> friggin' SAID SO.
>
> > Learn your star ratings!!!
>
> *** What's there to learn? It's like I said:
>
> A = ****
> B = ***
> C = **
> D = *
> F = Zero stars
>
> Unless you're like Siskel & Ebert, with the ol' Thumbs Up or Thumbs
> Down method. Some places give 5 stars, which throws the above

system

> off, but most of the movie reviews I've read go with 4-stars [****]
> being the best and 0-stars being the worst.
>
> >
> > What do you know about serious film criticism, PatDICK? You

think

> BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES is a good movie!
> >
> > -- Rory
>
> *** I know what I like and what I don't like. Like T, there are 4-
> star movies that I don't particularly care for and there are some 1-
> star movies that I enjoy, though I recognize that they aren't 4-

star

> films. When I judge a movie, it's by a number of criteria,

including

> the LIMITATIONS that the filmmakers had when they made it.
>
> Case in point, Burton's POTA. It had virtually NO limitations of
> budget. They had untold millions to spend on it, with state-of-the-
> art special effects are their disposal. There was no reason for it

> suck so bad. All they needed was a decent script. But despite

having

> YEARS to come up with a good POTA remake, they couldn't get a

decent

> script written. And they went with the mediocre one they wound up
> with. Despite having no budget or SFX worries, they churned out a
> stinker.
>
> "BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES", however, suffered the most of
> all the POTA sequels in that it had virtually NO budget to speak

of.

> They had to cut corners all over the goddamned place just to get a
> movie made, and to keep it in the G-rated bracket (at the

insistence

> of the studio).
>
> Yet, despite those shortcomings, they made a movie that was ABOUT
> something, and that was a worthy wrap-up to the ongoing storyline
> that began with "BENEATH". The sequels form the epic story of

Caesar,

> whose life follows the pattern of the epic hero. He has a

miraculous

> birth (having been conceived in the Future and been born in the
> Past)... he's endangered as a child (like Zeus, Hercules, Moses,
> Jesus, etc)... he comes of age and becomes a hero for his people...
> and, towards the end of his life's journey he DESCENDS INTO HELL

and

> communes with the spirits of his deceased parents regarding the
> destiny of his people, just like Aeneas in "THE AENEID" of the

Roman

> poet Virgil (the dude the orangutan in "BATTLE" was named
> after). "BATTLE" is about the Nature of Mankind -- the big question
> as to whether or not Man is able to transcend his own violent past,
> or whether he is doomed to fall into the same mistakes that have
> beset our sad species since before History.
>
> Is "BATTLE" a great film? No. Fox hamstringed it by cutting budgets
> all over the place, thus preventing it from being great. But it WAS

> good film, no matter how much it suffers in comparison to the
> original 1968 "PLANET". "BATTLE" had something to say about the

Human

> Species that was rather profound, as did all the APES sequels.
>
> I'll be the first to admit that all the APES films would've been

even

> better if they had been given MORE money and time to work with. As
> things stood, though, they churned out 4 movies at a rate of almost
> one per year, each with a successively smaller budget. And yet they
> were all good films due to having great stories written in decent
> scripts. They weren't perfect, no. But I ain't never seen a perfect
> film, Rory, not even the original "KING KONG" or "PLANET OF THE
> APES". If I were in a bad mood, I could easily knock holes in any
> movie you cherished -- even if I too liked it, by playing 'Devil's
> advocate'.
>
> But liking a movie and recognizing what is good or bad in it is all
> rather subjective. I am fascinated by a movie that FEW people will
> ever admit to liking -- John Boorman's "ZARDOZ". I think it's a
> magnificent film... and most people (critics especially) HATE it

with

> a passion. I'll never convince them that it's good, and they'll

never

> convince me that it AIN'T good. I like what I like and you like

what

> you like. You said you "hated" Jackson's new "KONG", right after
> Mlccougar wrote to say "it is an EXCELLENT movie". I happen to

agree

> with Cougar on this matter (God knows we disagree on plenty of

other

> things!).
>
> Opinions are opinions. On some things, I think your opinion is
> worthwhile. On other things, I think you're full of it. And I'm

sure

> the latter sentiment is shared by you with the pronouns switched
> around.
>
> So what?
>
> Like what you like, Rory. Be my guest. But why do you have to be

such

> a creep when somebody differs with your opinion? I never asked you

> apologize for hating Jackson's version -- if you don't dig it,

that's

> your right... there ain't no law that says you have to like it. But
> for you to infer that my NOT hating it -- or that I'm wrong to
> consider "BATTLE" a good film -- means that I have no sense
> of "serious film criticism" is just bullshit. Film critics don't

even

> agree with each other, most of the time, so why the f*** should I
> consider their opinion over my own?
>
> Patrick
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34388	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best. I've
never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
the kind of passion that makes this group better than the typical Sci-
Fi geeks arguing over the better Starship Captain. We F*ckin' rule!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the
> messages where they really get mad at each other are the only

reason

> I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I

have

> a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take

offesnse

> to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and

theories

> and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I

love

> it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
> that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't

function

> fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
> somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love this
> group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes and
> respects the members of this group and if we go at each other every
> now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about

our

> love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
> together in the first place.
>
> *** I don't take offense at your love of the occasional out-of-
> control moments, etc. Didn't Lewis Dixon enjoy watching two boxers
> pummel each other? "How d'ya like it, Cornelius?!" -- "It's

beastly!"

>
> You have no idea how much restraint I use when I respond to one of
> Rory's blasts of ass gas. I get SOOOO tempted to go into Cartman
> mode, that it's a wonder I don't blow a gasket verbally. On

occasion,

> Rory has an opinion I agree with, which is why I've gone out of my
> way to voice a disagreement with him by prefacing it with: "With

all

> due respect..."
>
> I may not agree with his opinions at times, but I've always

respected

> his right to have a differing opinion. I get the distinct

impression

> that he doesn't have the same respect for me when I disagree with
> him, as evidenced by the "PatDICK" line in Message 34357.
>
> But Rory's a crusty old fart, and there's no changing him now. The
> only changing he'll ever experience is when the nurse changes his
> Depends adult diapers. Or does he use the brand "Whoops! I crapped

> pants!" instead? (that's an SNL reference, for those who are
> wondering).
>
> Patrick
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34389	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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Can you send me some Vanilla Bean Ice Cream to cool everyone down please?!?! J

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:56 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best. I've
never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
the kind of passion that makes this group better than the typical Sci-
Fi geeks arguing over the better Starship Captain. We F*ckin' rule!!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> >
> > Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the
> messages where they really get mad at each other are the only
reason
> I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I
have
> a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take
offesnse
> to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and
theories
> and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I
love
> it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
> that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't
function
> fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
> somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love this
> group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes and
> respects the members of this group and if we go at each other every
> now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about
our
> love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
> together in the first place.
>
> *** I don't take offense at your love of the occasional out-of-
> control moments, etc. Didn't Lewis Dixon enjoy watching two boxers
> pummel each other? "How d'ya like it, Cornelius?!" -- "It's
beastly!"
>
> You have no idea how much restraint I use when I respond to one of
> Rory's blasts of ass gas. I get SOOOO tempted to go into Cartman
> mode, that it's a wonder I don't blow a gasket verbally. On
occasion,
> Rory has an opinion I agree with, which is why I've gone out of my
> way to voice a disagreement with him by prefacing it with: "With
all
> due respect..."
>
> I may not agree with his opinions at times, but I've always
respected
> his right to have a differing opinion. I get the distinct
impression
> that he doesn't have the same respect for me when I disagree with
> him, as evidenced by the "PatDICK" line in Message 34357.
>
> But Rory's a crusty old fart, and there's no changing him now. The
> only changing he'll ever experience is when the nurse changes his
> Depends adult diapers. Or does he use the brand "Whoops! I crapped
my
> pants!" instead? (that's an SNL reference, for those who are
> wondering).
>
> Patrick
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34390	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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Awww. Come on. Everybody is doing it. Your opinion sucks. I am the
smartest guy on the planet and if your not just like me... I hate you!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2005 4:35:40 P.M. Central Standard Time,
> DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
>
> I love it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody
else for
> that matter) said that they lose control.
>
>
>
> Yeah, it can be fun, but don't encourage me.
> I'll get kicked off and have to become a lurker.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34391	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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No way. I'm having way too much fun. Besides, I'm afraid of what you
and your "partner" may do with it. Perverts!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Can you send me some Vanilla Bean Ice Cream to cool everyone down
> please?!?! :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:56 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
>
> SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best.
I've
> never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
> the kind of passion that makes this group better than the typical
Sci-
> Fi geeks arguing over the better Starship Captain. We F*ckin'
rule!!
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the
> > messages where they really get mad at each other are the only
> reason
> > I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I
> have
> > a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take
> offesnse
> > to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and
> theories
> > and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I
> love
> > it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else
for
> > that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't
> function
> > fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
> > somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love
this
> > group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes
and
> > respects the members of this group and if we go at each other
every
> > now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about
> our
> > love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
> > together in the first place.
> >
> > *** I don't take offense at your love of the occasional out-of-
> > control moments, etc. Didn't Lewis Dixon enjoy watching two
boxers
> > pummel each other? "How d'ya like it, Cornelius?!" -- "It's
> beastly!"
> >
> > You have no idea how much restraint I use when I respond to one
of
> > Rory's blasts of ass gas. I get SOOOO tempted to go into Cartman
> > mode, that it's a wonder I don't blow a gasket verbally. On
> occasion,
> > Rory has an opinion I agree with, which is why I've gone out of
my
> > way to voice a disagreement with him by prefacing it with: "With
> all
> > due respect..."
> >
> > I may not agree with his opinions at times, but I've always
> respected
> > his right to have a differing opinion. I get the distinct
> impression
> > that he doesn't have the same respect for me when I disagree with
> > him, as evidenced by the "PatDICK" line in Message 34357.
> >
> > But Rory's a crusty old fart, and there's no changing him now.
The
> > only changing he'll ever experience is when the nurse changes his
> > Depends adult diapers. Or does he use the brand "Whoops! I
crapped
> my
> > pants!" instead? (that's an SNL reference, for those who are
> > wondering).
> >
> > Patrick
> >
>
>
>
>
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Group: potadg	Message: 34392	From: John	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Continuing the excitment

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Ya know. While we're clearing the air, I don't think girls should be
members of groups like this. Its obvious they know little, if anything
about the story/timelines. All they care about is if Peter has his
shirt off in the episode or not. (Shut up Michael, this is good stuff
and think about all the post you'll finish the year with.)

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Group: potadg	Message: 34393	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

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Oh I have some REALLY good ideas for Pete’s chest in GOING HOME! J

Have you seen ALIEN?

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:10 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Continuing the excitment

Ya know. While we're clearing the air, I don't think girls should be
members of groups like this. Its obvious they know little, if anything
about the story/timelines. All they care about is if Peter has his
shirt off in the episode or not. (Shut up Michael, this is good stuff and think about all the post you'll finish the year with.)

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Group: potadg	Message: 34394	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

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Hooray! THANKS NELI!!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:31 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
> Due to the amount of files this busy group accumulates I have had to
start another new subgroup!
You can now find some of the group's Files at the Planet of the Apes
DG Photos 2 group:
http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2/
And yes, you will have to join this group to access the files, sorry
but it couldn't be helped as this is the only way we can keep these
files and the last thing we would want to do is delete stuff when we
run out of storage space because then its gone forever!

-- I forgot to mention that I have cobbled together a few
more 'panorama' shots from Return and they can be found with all the
old ones in the Return paintings folder in the files section.

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34395	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/28/2005
Subject: Re: Within the Planet of the Apes PDFs

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Sound writing, great PDFing.

What was the hippie smoking????? J

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 10:21 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Within the Planet of the Apes PDFs

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/

Just check out the Within the Planet of the Apes folder.

They have been collected as pages in PDF format by Greg Plonowski.

They were written by some bloke called Whitty and drawn by some freaky old hippy!

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34396	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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I haven’t booted you for ages T.

I can see you are going out of your way to respect others and that’s all I care about.

You’re a bit naughty sometimes but hey – so am I!!! J

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Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 11:37 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

In a message dated 12/28/2005 4:35:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

I love it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else for
that matter) said that they lose control.

Yeah, it can be fun, but don't encourage me.

I'll get kicked off and have to become a lurker.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34397	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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I don’t think Jackson ’s POTA would seem too long, but we’ll probably never know.

I sure didn’t get even mildly bored with the extended LOTR films.

BUT – I guess they were anything goes. Dragons, goblins etc and a completely fantasy world. And yes, while KK must be fantasy too (or a parallel 1933!), I would have liked to see more realism.

All those dinosaur episodes WERE far too LONG and DRAWN OUT! And quite comical.

But maybe it’s ME! Maybe I am silly thinking they should NOT have been since there IS no record of a 40ft gorilla pounding down Wall Street in 1933….hmmm….I’d better go see it again! J

Michael

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Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 11:21 AM
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In a message dated 12/28/2005 3:37:05 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Gotta agree with all these points, but I still really enjoyed it.

I enjoyed it too, except when I was pulled out of it,

which was way too often. I expected better.

And I changed my mind about Jackson

directing any POTA films. I don't want

it over-dramatized or overly long.

I wouldn't mind a 3 hour POTA

as long as it feels like an hour,

and not 4 hours

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Group: potadg	Message: 34398	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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Vanilla Bean Rim Flavour…hmmmm……Neil, what are you doing this weekend?

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:02 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

No way. I'm having way too much fun. Besides, I'm afraid of what you
and your "partner" may do with it. Perverts!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Can you send me some Vanilla Bean Ice Cream to cool everyone down
> please?!?! :-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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Behalf
> Of John
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 12:56 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)
>
> SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best.
I've
> never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
> the kind of passion that makes this group better than the typical
Sci-
> Fi geeks arguing over the better Starship Captain. We F*ckin'
rule!!
>
>
>
>
> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
> <patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "John" <DrZaiusDavis@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Sheesh. Forgive me for I know not what I do. I'm sorry but the
> > messages where they really get mad at each other are the only
> reason
> > I read those long, very opinionated post. I know its wrong and I
> have
> > a problem but I live for that, and Patrick please don't take
> offesnse
> > to this. You have every right to spout off your opinions and
> theories
> > and that is what this place is for and I understand that, but I
> love
> > it when somebody gets so upset by what you've (or anybody else
for
> > that matter) said that they lose control. That's why I can't
> function
> > fully in James' group and stay a lurker. I always end up pissing
> > somebody off, even when I don't mean too and that's why I love
this
> > group. We may have some rough spots but I think everyone likes
and
> > respects the members of this group and if we go at each other
every
> > now and again its only because we all feel very passionate about
> our
> > love for Planet of the Apes. Which is what has brought us all
> > together in the first place.
> >
> > *** I don't take offense at your love of the occasional out-of-
> > control moments, etc. Didn't Lewis Dixon enjoy watching two
boxers
> > pummel each other? "How d'ya like it, Cornelius?!" -- "It's
> beastly!"
> >
> > You have no idea how much restraint I use when I respond to one
of
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> > mode, that it's a wonder I don't blow a gasket verbally. On
> occasion,
> > Rory has an opinion I agree with, which is why I've gone out of
my
> > way to voice a disagreement with him by prefacing it with: "With
> all
> > due respect..."
> >
> > I may not agree with his opinions at times, but I've always
> respected
> > his right to have a differing opinion. I get the distinct
> impression
> > that he doesn't have the same respect for me when I disagree with
> > him, as evidenced by the "PatDICK" line in Message 34357.
> >
> > But Rory's a crusty old fart, and there's no changing him now.
The
> > only changing he'll ever experience is when the nurse changes his
> > Depends adult diapers. Or does he use the brand "Whoops! I
crapped
> my
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Group: potadg	Message: 34399	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:44:16 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I'd better go see it again! J

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Group: potadg	Message: 34400	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Another new DG subgroup, sorry!

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 11:57:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hooray! THANKS NELI!!!!

Where are the photos?

And why the appro?

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Group: potadg	Message: 34401	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:44:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

All those dinosaur episodes WERE far too LONG and DRAWN OUT!

It just seemed kind of forced. I can just see him going back to the

New Zealand version of ILM and saying, "No, no, I need more

dinosaurs. More Dinosaurs!" That and the tribal scenes

with the strobe effect just seemed so heavy handed,

like some novice director trying to shoot his wad

with every trick in the book because they gave

him his first really big A-List feature to direct,

and it just come off B-Movie. B As in . . .

Big Budget, and Burton, and Batman.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34402	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:44:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

, goblins etc and a completely fantasy world.

And speaking on gobblins . . .

Did the muddy natives of

Skull Island remind anyone

else of the Orks in LOTRs?

This, and the faces and skulls carved into every rock and stone on the

island had me flashing back to LOTRs. And aside from the eternal

question of," If you're going to build a wall to keep Kong out, then

why build it with a door big enough for him to get through?" Here

is the real question. How'd they build all that? Did they get

the dinosaurs to help them like Fred Flintstone? "Hey

Barney! We got some T-Rex comin' through the

unfinished section over on the west side. Heard

'em back will ya?" Yeah right. I'm guessing

since they have an entire Jurassic Park

there, they got the small part of the

island. So to keep from over

populating and consequently

eating themselves out of

house and home they

had to occupy their

time with carving

a skulls on to

everything.

"Now that we aren't being eaten by dinosaurs, we must carve!"

Well you know what they say . . . idle hands are the devils wood shop.

I know, it's supposed to be workshop. But wood shop sounds like

a place where you might loose a finger, as opposed to a place

where you'd be helping Santa make toys. Know what I mean?

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Group: potadg	Message: 34403	From: Alan Maxwell	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

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"Neil" wrote:

>I too thought Zardoz was a fantastic film though I
>haven't seen it for quite a few years now.

I think Zardoz is an absolutely AWFUL movie... which I totally love, and am proud to own on DVD! "Guilty pleasure" or "so bad it's good" probably describes at least half of my collection mind you.

Alan

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Group: potadg	Message: 34404	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: MORE Thanks to Veetus!

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I got a card from Jeff today – thanks mucho Jeff!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of patrickmichaeltilton
Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:15 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Thanks to Veetus

Speaking of "KING KONG", Jeff Krueger sent me a X-mas card, hand-drawn
by himself, depicting some POTA apes throwing snowballs at Kong atop
the Empire State Building (or, of a POTA gorilla on a snow-ice
sculpture that looks like the Empire State Building, since the scale of
the gorilla is the same as the apes chucking snowballs at him).

It seems to be wholly original -- I can see the original pencils over
which ink-pens and colored pencils were drawn. Jeffie made this card
just for me, it looks like, and I just wanted him to know that it was a
nice gesture. On the inside it says:

Hi Patrick!

HANG IN THERE THIS YEAR!

Jeff

I hope he (you, Jeff) and everybody else here had/has/is-having a good
time over the holidays. I've been so damned busy that I've only just
now gotten a chance to catch up on my Yahoo emails, etc. A little bit
of X-mas goes a LONNNNNG way with me, and I'm glad it's over.

Thanks again, Jeff, for the card.

"Well... the snowballs got him."

"It wasn't the snowballs... twas Beauty killed the Beast!"

Patrick

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Group: potadg	Message: 34405	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

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In a message dated 12/28/2005 6:11:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Ya know. While we're clearing the air, I don't think girls should be
members of groups like this. Its obvious they know little, if anything
about the story/timelines. All they care about is if Peter has his
shirt off in the episode or not. (Shut up Michael, this is good stuff
and think about all the post you'll finish the year with.)

Men good. Me like Pete. Pete good. Storyline? What's a storyline? Drool. Drool.

Elaine

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Group: potadg	Message: 34406	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT) **SPOILERS OTA !!!!!**

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:08:43 AM Pacific Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 12/29/2005 1:44:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

All those dinosaur episodes WERE far too LONG and DRAWN OUT!

It just seemed kind of forced. I can just see him going back to the

New Zealand version of ILM and saying, "No, no, I need more

dinosaurs. More Dinosaurs!" That and the tribal scenes

with the strobe effect just seemed so heavy handed,

like some novice director trying to shoot his wad

with every trick in the book because they gave

him his first really big A-List feature to direct,

and it just come off B-Movie. B As in . . .

Big Budget, and Burton, and Batman.

It's just such a thrill to watch dinosaurs eat people and outside of the Jurassic Park series, there are not that many movies with dinosaurs. Elaine

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Group: potadg	Message: 34407	From: branchbrood	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: CAN I MAKE FILE LARGER?

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Hi ya'll Under the "Files Section" there is a Folder
Titled "Rittsscenes" And Subtittled "POTA jpeg" these are set up to
look like the old Gumcards and Feature some Beautiful Shots of NOVA!
could I get these Scans any larger? And even better are these Images
Availible WITHOUT the "Card" Graphics? Well either way they are Very
nice.

John

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Group: potadg	Message: 34408	From: John	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Continuing the excitment

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You rule Elaine... for a girl!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, taebokitti@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/28/2005 6:11:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> DrZaiusDavis@a... writes:
> Ya know. While we're clearing the air, I don't think girls should
be
> members of groups like this. Its obvious they know little, if
anything
> about the story/timelines. All they care about is if Peter has his
> shirt off in the episode or not. (Shut up Michael, this is good
stuff
> and think about all the post you'll finish the year with.)
>
> Men good. Me like Pete. Pete good. Storyline? What's a storyline?
Drool.
> Drool.
> Elaine
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34409	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

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.html.html In a message dated 12/28/05 7:27:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

It's called a VCR.

So last century, T! Time to get a DVD recorder, right Whitty?

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Group: potadg	Message: 34410	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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I am fascinated by a movie that FEW people will ever admit to
liking -- John Boorman's "ZARDOZ". I think it's a magnificent film...
and most people (critics especially) HATE it with a passion.

It's muddled and boring. Another film from that era I don't understand what those that love it see in it -- LOGAN'S RUN. What a piece of crap! -- except for the Jerry Goldsmith score!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34411	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/28/05 7:33:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

I prefer the 5-star rating system.

Here's what the POTA films are
listed as in the Movie & Video Guide,
Though I think POTA should be 5 Stars.

POTA -      * * * * 1/2
Beneath     * * * *
Escape      * * * * 1/2
Conquest   * * *
Battle        * *

I prefer the four star rating system.

POTA ****
BENEATH **1/2
ESCAPE ***1/2
CONQUEST ***
BATTLE **

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Group: potadg	Message: 34412	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/28/05 8:56:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best. I've
never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
the kind of passion ....

Passion?!!!!

Try adolescent fixation carried over to a pathetic extreme. Patrick is the mothership of all possible timeline POTA geeks! And if you think what you've read here between me and him is bad, you should have been around for the Patrick/Whitty battles in the other group. Horrible!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34413	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/05 7:31:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, alan@... writes:

I think Zardoz is an absolutely AWFUL movie... which I totally love, and am proud to own on DVD! "Guilty pleasure" or "so bad it's good" probably describes at least half of my collection mind you.

Alan

ZARDOZ is to Alan what ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. is to me! Or THE LOST CONTINENT!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34414	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1911

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 5:36:25 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

ZARDOZ is to Alan what ONE MILLION YEARS B.C. is to me! Or THE LOST CONTINENT!

I love all those sort of movies, even Caveman.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34415	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Ja

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Absolutely!

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 10:23 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter Jac...

In a message dated 12/28/05 7:27:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

It's called a VCR.

So last century, T! Time to get a DVD recorder, right Whitty?

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34416	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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It was all for show.

Andy Kaufman/Tony Clifton

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 10:30 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

In a message dated 12/28/05 8:56:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

SEE!!! I'm sorry Neil but this is when the group is at its best. I've
never been such a fan of Patrick's rants as I am right now. This is
the kind of passion ....

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Group: potadg	Message: 34417	From: Rob	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Grabbed this off the racks today at the comic shop and I have to say,
it's way, way better than the lame things that preceeded it, including
Dark Horses sequels to the lame remake and crap like Urchak's Folly.
First of all there is a very nice timeline tying the events that preced
Conquest right up the ape Revolution in Conquest. We see Ceasar as he
develops and we learn that the city the revolt is first taking place in
is San Diego. My only real complaint; the first issue story was too
short! They had some filler (one of which is Ceasar's journal which was
OK). We also get to see Aldo say NO (he's going to be experimented
upon), which was a nice homage to Escape's telling of history. Overall
I'll give the first issue a B+ and I'm looking forward to Issue 2.

Ah, the Artwork was decent, I never heard of any of the people involved
with this. I'd say honestly, ape fans, if you're not to snobbish to
read comics (heh,heh), give it a shot.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34418	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/05 7:57:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

we learn that the city the revolt is first taking place in
is San Diego

Well, that makes no sense. Are we to accept that the mutants in BATTLE are supposed to be living in the ruins of San Diego?!! And that they somehow got the Alpha/Omega bomb to the ruins of New York by the 40th century? How did they transport it, in that vehicle from DAMNATION ALLEY, or are there supposed to be tunnels crisscrossing the country as in Roddenberry's "Genesis II"?

Look, just keep it simple. CONQUEST and BATTLE take place somewhere on the East coast.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34419	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: New Sideshow Collectible

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http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=7181

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Group: potadg	Message: 34420	From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: New file uploaded to PotaDG

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Group: potadg	Message: 34421	From: Neil T Foster	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Within the Planet of the Apes strip #59

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Group: potadg	Message: 34422	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Hey Rory.

There ARE tunnels beneath the planet of the humans.

Certainly not something I would use to explain the East Coast/West Coast thing but certainly something I will be integrating into some stories I’m writing for comics with Neil.

There are also underground bunkers and rooms/annexes built for people to survive disasters in (as per T3).

Actually, it is my belief that in the future (after a further depleted ozone layer and more dangerous, excessive pollution) mankind will take to living underground.

Michael

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Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 12:20 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

In a message dated 12/29/05 7:57:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

we learn that the city the revolt is first taking place in
is San Diego

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Group: potadg	Message: 34423	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 6:08:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

So last century, T! Time to get a DVD recorder, right Whitty?

Ehh . . . My computer has one.

I'll wait. I can see the future. And

in the future the central box runs the

media room, not to mention the rest of

the house. Laptops will be the computer

you take on vacation. And if you take an

overnight while on vacation you'll just use

a phone or a watch. Basically an extension

of George Carlin's Stuff Monologue, only with

data in the form of Movies, Music & Show instead.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34424	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Rory,

I thought the fact that CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the EAST Coast is further evidence of a CHANGED time-line.

Michael

In a message dated 12/29/05 7:57:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Mithril1960@... writes:

we learn that the city the revolt is first taking place in
is San Diego

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Group: potadg	Message: 34425	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/05 9:26:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey Rory.

There ARE tunnels beneath the planet of the humans.

But are we supposed to believe the Alpha/Omega bomb was transported across the country by Mendez and company?

-- Rory<.html <.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34426	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: King Kong 2005 (OT)

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 6:12:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

you should have been around for the Patrick/Whitty battles in the other group.

Yes, yes . . . we've all had our battles.

Just don't refer to us as flaming . . .anything.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34427	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: New Sideshow Collectible

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 7:39:04 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

OK, who's going to fork over the $$ for this?

It's only armature though.

For that kind of dough I want it to look like him.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34428	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/05 9:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Ehh . . . My computer has one.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34429	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/05 9:28:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I thought the fact that CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the EAST Coast is further evidence of a CHANGED time-line.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34430	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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God no.

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Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 1:29 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

In a message dated 12/29/05 9:26:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Hey Rory.

There ARE tunnels beneath the planet of the humans.

But are we supposed to believe the Alpha/Omega bomb was transported across the country by Mendez and company?

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34431	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Well – there’s a difference in the setting….as there is in the statue of worship (no longer Lawgiver, now Caesar)….

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Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 1:32 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

In a message dated 12/29/05 9:28:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I thought the fact that CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the EAST Coast is further evidence of a CHANGED time-line.

How so?

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Group: potadg	Message: 34432	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

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I have recently fount DVD DECRYPTER and DVD SHRINK – these ARE great computer burners. But the DVD Recorder hooked to a MACRO FREE DVD Player is great too!

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Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 1:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

In a message dated 12/29/05 9:27:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

Ehh . . . My computer has one.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34433	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: There is a 500-Ton Monster loose in the city, and it's Peter...

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In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:56:23 P.M. Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

But the DVD Recorder hooked to a MACRO FREE DVD Player is great too!

I don't know what that means.

I guess I'm not hip to the lingo

the kids use these days.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34434	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I thought the fact that CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the EAST Coast is further evidence of a CHANGED time-line.

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!<.html <.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34435	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/29/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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yes

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From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Friday, 30 December 2005 2:44 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:28:46 PM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

I thought the fact that CONQUEST and BATTLE take place on the EAST Coast is further evidence of a CHANGED time-line.

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34436	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to support the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't happen in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE is evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the Lawgiver in BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original timeline that's PLANET's past.

As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor of the Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor wasn't a mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't happened yet.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34437	From: Ty Templeton	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm afraid. It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any mistakes of continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil says...) Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up that deals directly with the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.

Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES history transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right. Historians revise their theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't for a moment believe any dates or details from many centuries ago are specific enough to be considered fact.

Ty the Guy
Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes

On 12/30/05, Haristas@... < Haristas@...> wrote:

In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to support the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't happen in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE is evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the Lawgiver in BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original timeline that's PLANET's past.

As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor of the Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor wasn't a mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't happened yet.

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34438	From: merlynpota	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can
someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money
order...

Thanks
Paul

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <Mithril1960@a...> wrote:
>
> Grabbed this off the racks today at the comic shop and I have to
say,
> it's way, way better than the lame things that preceeded it,
including
> Dark Horses sequels to the lame remake and crap like Urchak's
Folly.
> First of all there is a very nice timeline tying the events that
preced
> Conquest right up the ape Revolution in Conquest. We see Ceasar as
he
> develops and we learn that the city the revolt is first taking
place in
> is San Diego. My only real complaint; the first issue story was
too
> short! They had some filler (one of which is Ceasar's journal which
was
> OK). We also get to see Aldo say NO (he's going to be experimented
> upon), which was a nice homage to Escape's telling of history.
Overall
> I'll give the first issue a B+ and I'm looking forward to Issue 2.
>
> Ah, the Artwork was decent, I never heard of any of the people
involved
> with this. I'd say honestly, ape fans, if you're not to snobbish to
> read comics (heh,heh), give it a shot.
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34439	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 7:48:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, merlynpota@... writes:

None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can
someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money
order...

Wasn't there an online comic shop that carries it?

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Group: potadg	Message: 34440	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Dehn was the main writer but he wasn't the only author of the movies. I understand that Arthur Jacobs wanted the end of "Battle" to be left open to interpretation. Will Caesar change the future (a new timeline) or is the future set (circular, fate)? That's one of the questions that makes POTA so fascinating. I don't believe in the circular timeline but that wouldn't make me discount the comic book. I just bought a copy but I'm going to read it on New Year's Day. - - - Jeff

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From: Ty Templeton

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 5:25 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm afraid. It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any mistakes of continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil says...) Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up that deals directly with the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.

Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES history transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right. Historians revise their theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't for a moment believe any dates or details from many centuries ago are specific enough to be considered fact.

Ty the Guy
Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes

On 12/30/05, Haristas@... < Haristas@...> wrote:
In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to support the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't happen in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE is evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the Lawgiver in BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original timeline that's PLANET's past.

As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor of the Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor wasn't a mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't happened yet.

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34441	From: Ty Templeton	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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mile high comics carries the comic as a mail order, as does altered states comics.

Altered States www.alteredstatescomics.com

email address is: alteredstatescomics@...

On 12/30/05, merlynpota < merlynpota@...> wrote:
None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money order... Thanks Paul
--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Rob" <Mithril1960@a...> wrote: > > Grabbed this off the racks today at the comic shop and I have to say, > it's way, way better than the lame things that preceeded it, including > Dark Horses sequels to the lame remake and crap like Urchak's Folly. > First of all there is a very nice timeline tying the events that preced > Conquest right up the ape Revolution in Conquest. We see Ceasar as he > develops and we learn that the city the revolt is first taking place in > is San Diego. My only real complaint; the first issue story was too > short! They had some filler (one of which is Ceasar's journal which was > OK). We also get to see Aldo say NO (he's going to be experimented > upon), which was a nice homage to Escape's telling of history. Overall > I'll give the first issue a B+ and I'm looking forward to Issue 2. > > Ah, the Artwork was decent, I never heard of any of the people involved > with this. I'd say honestly, ape fans, if you're not to snobbish to > read comics (heh,heh), give it a shot. >

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Group: potadg	Message: 34442	From: Tim "apefan"	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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It was great seeing Apes in a comic again...I opened
the first page and saw Zira's face and said
"everything will be fine with this' Kudos to Ty and
crew!!!! Thanks for feeding our ape hunger!
My local store had one left on the shelf on thursday
(and they forgot to pull one for me! I wa slucky to
get the one on the shelf!) Another comic store had
only one today.....BUT I dont know how many they
ordered......

Again THANKS!
Tim

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Group: potadg	Message: 34443	From: Greg Plonowski	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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My local shop didn't have it this week but said they were expecting it next week. After I double-checked to make sure it was on Diamond's ship list for this week (and it was) my wife decided to check with a different shop a little further away. They had it, and she drove over there on her lunch hour yesterday to pick it up for me. I've got a few on order through Westfield, but wanted to read the first issue the week it came out.

I thought it was fantastic. I disagree about the San Diego thing and would be interested in hearing why Ty and Joe decided to establish Conquest as happening there rather than a city on the East Coast. However, it won't stop me from enjoying the story.

Greg

merlynpota <merlynpota@...> wrote:

None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can
someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money
order...

Thanks
Paul

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Group: potadg	Message: 34444	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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That’s the thing about stories – if they are written well enough, anything goes!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Plonowski
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 2:18 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Greg

merlynpota <merlynpota@...> wrote:

None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can
someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money
order...

Thanks
Paul

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Group: potadg	Message: 34445	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/30/2005
Subject: Happy 2006!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34446	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Ty,

For many years I chose to believe that POTA is “stuck in a loop” and that Cornelius just had it wrong. Not hard to believe when you have studied theology (or just played Chinese Whispers!).

However what I like about the changed scenario is that it explains a hell of a lot (whether or not it was intended to!). It also means there are TWO ape revolutions and how can anyone pass that up!?!?!? J

There are just a whole lot MORE alternatives.

One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE that Conquest is set…..sorta like 1984 it just didn’t happen! Whereas if you think that Taylor is in our future, then his ship is flown into our past and that changes things, it just lies better with me.

But to each his own.

Also, I’d think twice about what Dehn was trying to do. Yes, he says in an interview “it is all like a big circle”, but what does that MEAN? And don’t forget Dehn was just ONE of the people involved. My belief is that Dehn was sloppy as hell and yes, I think he did want to write it as a “circular” timeline where it all repeats itself ad infinitum. I think, however, that some of the other writers (the Corringtons for example) had a different idea and (as Jeff said) Jacobs also wanted it to be left open. Much of the confusion comes from this muddle of intentions, if you ask me!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 12:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

On 12/30/05, Haristas@... < Haristas@...> wrote:

In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

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Group: potadg	Message: 34447	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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This: One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE that

Should be THIS! One of the most difficult things for me to LIVE with is the DATE that

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Michael Whitty
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 5:31 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Ty,

For many years I chose to believe that POTA is “stuck in a loop” and that Cornelius just had it wrong. Not hard to believe when you have studied theology (or just played Chinese Whispers!).

But to each his own.

On 12/30/05, Haristas@... < Haristas@...> wrote:

In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to support the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't happen in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE is evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the Lawgiver in BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original timeline that's PLANET's past.

As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor of the Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor wasn't a mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't happened yet.

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34448	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.htmlWhat ?!?

In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:36:59 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

This: One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE that

Should be THIS! One of the most difficult things for me to LIVE with is the DATE that

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Group: potadg	Message: 34449	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: WHAT!?!??!

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I just corrected a sentence…

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Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 5:39 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

What ?!?

In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:36:59 AM Central Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

This: One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE that

Should be THIS! One of the most difficult things for me to LIVE with is the DATE that

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Group: potadg	Message: 34450	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: WHAT!?!??!

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I just corrected a sentence…

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Group: potadg	Message: 34451	From: mlccougar@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: APES Promos

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.html.html As mentioned months ago, I am trying to help another group member compile all of the APES radio spots, promos, etc...

So far he has radio spots for BENEATH, ESACPE, CONQUEST, and BATTLE... There has been no luck in finding them for PLANET though...

If anyone out there has any radio spots or other APES audio (such as POTA: A Musical Journey), let us know... If you can add anything to what he has compiled right now, you will receive a CD of it when completed... <.html<.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34452	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 8:07:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

I understand that Arthur Jacobs wanted the end of "Battle" to be left open to interpretation. Will Caesar change the future (a new timeline) or is the future set (circular, fate)?

That's the thing. The timeline has been changed but is it enough?

Who knows? That was the last line. It reminds me of the time

travel episodes of The Simpsons & Red Dwarf. Some times the

smallest thing can just make it worse, and then it takes a lot to

fix it. On the other had, how does it get worse than World

destruction. I guess, at least from Taylor's point of view

anyway, a World run by apes is worse than that.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34453	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Mr. T vs POTA

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I had forgotten all about this.

It's amazing the things you'll find

trying to make room on your bookmarks.

Mr.T vs. POTA page 1

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Group: potadg	Message: 34454	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 5:52:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 12/30/2005 7:48:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, merlynpota@... writes:

None of my local comic shops have this (I'm in West Virginia LOL) can
someone pick me up one and mail it...I can paypal funds or do a money
order...

Wasn't there an online comic shop that carries it?

I ordered Revolution online, none of the stores near me will order it. Elaine

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Group: potadg	Message: 34455	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Happy 2006!

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.html I like baby New Year in the corner. Happy 2006 to all! Elaine<.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34456	From: taebokitti@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mr. T vs POTA

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Group: potadg	Message: 34457	From: Neil	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Happy 2006!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , taebokitti@a... wrote:

>
> I like baby New Year in the corner. Happy 2006 to all! Elaine
>

-- Have a Happy and Safe New Year all!

Neil

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Group: potadg	Message: 34458	From: veetus@earthlink.net	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Not to mention the intentions of the writers of the original movie. Dehn got the date wrong of Taylor's crash. I think Dehn was more a social commentator and not a science fiction writer. I don't think he thought his chronology through or even took it seriously. It was just a vehicle for what he wanted to say. And, of course, what he wanted to say does come through. The way the movies were made, he was painting himself into corners all the time. So I don't put a whole lot of weight on his intentions from the science fiction angle. I'd rather keep it believable enough that I can enjoy it. I can accept science fiction because life IS complex and IS a mystery, and is more than our religious books and our dogmas can contain. Will apes be able to talk one day? Why not? What are the odds that we're here now? - - - Jeff

----- Original Message -----

From: Michael Whitty

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:30 PM

Subject: RE: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

Ty,

For many years I chose to believe that POTA is stuck in a loop and that Cornelius just had it wrong. Not hard to believe when you have studied theology (or just played Chinese Whispers!).

However what I like about the changed scenario is that it explains a hell of a lot (whether or not it was intended to!). It also means there are TWO ape revolutions and how can anyone pass that up!?!?!? J

There are just a whole lot MORE alternatives.

One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE that Conquest is set..sorta like 1984 it just didnt happen! Whereas if you think that Taylor is in our future, then his ship is flown into our past and that changes things, it just lies better with me.

But to each his own.

Also, Id think twice about what Dehn was trying to do. Yes, he says in an interview it is all like a big circle, but what does that MEAN? And dont forget Dehn was just ONE of the people involved. My belief is that Dehn was sloppy as hell and yes, I think he did want to write it as a circular timeline where it all repeats itself ad infinitum. I think, however, that some of the other writers (the Corringtons for example) had a different idea and (as Jeff said) Jacobs also wanted it to be left open. Much of the confusion comes from this muddle of intentions, if you ask me!

Michael

-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ty Templeton
Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 12:25 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm afraid. It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any mistakes of continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil says...) Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up that deals directly with the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.

Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES history transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right. Historians revise their theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't for a moment believe any dates or details from many centuries ago are specific enough to be considered fact.

Ty the Guy
Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes

On 12/30/05, Haristas@... < Haristas@...> wrote:

In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, whitty@... writes:

Whitty,

Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?

I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence of an ALTERED Timeline!

CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to support the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't happen in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE is evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE doesn't sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the Lawgiver in BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original timeline that's PLANET's past.

As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor of the Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor wasn't a mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't happened yet.

-- Rory

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Group: potadg	Message: 34459	From: Haristas@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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.html.html In a message dated 12/30/05 8:26:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, tybunny@... writes:

We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm afraid. It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any mistakes of continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil says...) Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up that deals directly with the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.

Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES history transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right. Historians revise their theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't for a moment believe any dates or details from many centuries ago are specific enough to be considered fact.

Ty the Guy
Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes

Stuff like this simply infuriates me. The FACT is that PLANET came first, with no plans for sequels. There wasn't even a sequel planned when BENEATH was made. The so-called PLANET OF THE APES SAGA is the invention of those that came after the creation of the original film. As a work of cinematic art the original deservedly has a right -- a right I defend! -- to stand alone . No sequel is required, no untold story of the past of the planet is needed. Artistically there never should have been sequels. They were made simply to make money, and the quality of BENEATH, or rather the lack of it since it's a crude film compared to the original, clearly shows the studio at least just wanted a quick cash in on the first's popularity. Artistically, the sequels are illegitimate children of the first film, bastards if not exactly bastardizations of the original.

Another thing that should be remembered is that ESCAPE, CONQUEST and BATTLE are called "sequels" to PLANET, not "prequels." They tell a continuing story, not back story to the first film. As for "what Dehn was writing towards," there's nothing clear about it. Yes, Dehn was pessimistic that the future could not be changed and had Caesar's statue weep at the end, but this wasn't what the original screenwriters, the Corringtons, intended and it made the both of them chagrin (according to what is written in the book "Planet of the Apes Revisited" anyway). What's more important is that this didn't make the studio happy and probably not Arthur Jacobs as well, hence the cuts made to the final release version so that a direct link to the mutants in BATTLE and those in BENEATH couldn't be made. What this means is that Dehn is not the "auteur" of the so-called PLANET OF THE APES SAGA and it's wrong, WRONG, to make him such.

Ultimately, of course, it all comes down to how you want to look at it. I just don't like the circular timeline view. It's boring and unimaginative. All possible scenarios in this restricted viewpoint ultimately lead to the same conclusion we saw in BENEATH. How bloody awful! How bloody pointless! Why even bother coming up with new stories?

-- Rory<.html <.html

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Group: potadg	Message: 34460	From: mystic4ever	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Talking 'bout a REVOLUTION (spoiler warning)

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Out of curiosity, how many copies of REVOLUTION are the comic shops getting
in the U.S.? I'm in Canada and I live just two hours away from MR
headquarters and my local shop only got 5 copies. I've added it to my
reserve list so I'm guaranteed not to miss any.

I was surprised that I enjoyed the main story as much as I did (CONQUEST is
my least fave of the original 5 films) especially seeing the dark side of
Caesar and beginnings of the CONQUEST Aldo who obviously becomes the brutal
BATTLE Aldo. Neat little connections. As a big fan of POTA2001, I look
forward to a future issue's reference to that film as mentioned in the
letters section. And that Dr. Reich...he obviously has a monkey on his
back!

The cover for issue 2 looks cool, reminds me of Taylor pounding the sand in
front of the Statue Of Liberty.

Looking forward to #2

Happy New Year everybody....

God bless.

Dan

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Group: potadg	Message: 34461	From: canadianapefandan	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: MORE Thanks to Veetus!

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Thanks, Jeff!

Dan

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> I got a card from Jeff today - thanks mucho Jeff!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of patrickmichaeltilton
> Sent: Thursday, 29 December 2005 1:15 AM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Thanks to Veetus
>
> Speaking of "KING KONG", Jeff Krueger sent me a X-mas card, hand-
drawn
> by himself, depicting some POTA apes throwing snowballs at Kong
atop
> the Empire State Building (or, of a POTA gorilla on a snow-ice
> sculpture that looks like the Empire State Building, since the
scale of
> the gorilla is the same as the apes chucking snowballs at him).
>
> It seems to be wholly original -- I can see the original pencils
over
> which ink-pens and colored pencils were drawn. Jeffie made this
card
> just for me, it looks like, and I just wanted him to know that it
was a
> nice gesture. On the inside it says:
>
> Hi Patrick!
>
> HANG IN THERE THIS YEAR!
>
> Jeff
>
> I hope he (you, Jeff) and everybody else here had/has/is-having a
good
> time over the holidays. I've been so damned busy that I've only
just
> now gotten a chance to catch up on my Yahoo emails, etc. A little
bit
> of X-mas goes a LONNNNNG way with me, and I'm glad it's over.
>
> Thanks again, Jeff, for the card.
>
> "Well... the snowballs got him."
>
> "It wasn't the snowballs... twas Beauty killed the Beast!"
>
> Patrick
>
> --
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34462	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1913

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In a message dated 12/30/2005 16:46:14 Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Well, that makes no sense. Are we to accept that the mutants in BATTLE are
supposed to be living in the ruins of San Diego?!! And that they somehow got
the Alpha/Omega bomb to the ruins of New York by the 40th century? How did
they transport it, in that vehicle from DAMNATION ALLEY, or are there supposed to
be tunnels crisscrossing the country as in Roddenberry's "Genesis II"?

Look, just keep it simple. CONQUEST and BATTLE take place somewhere on the
East coast.

Well, there are several answers;

1 - Yes there are tunnels, at least according to Marvel's nicely done Timeline (available at the site or at other sites).

2 - We never really know where the later apes films take place, other than Escape and isn't that Los Angeles? So how they switched to San Diego is a mystery. Still the story in Revolution is done decently unlike other Apes revivals.

3 - There is always the option that the Ape City from Planet wasn't founded by Ceasar, but is another founded by other apes brought about by the Ape Revolution. But then how would the uncut Battle fit in, since they had the Doomsday bomb?

4 - Just go with the suggestion above - it's the east coast. (ha!)

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And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can

- Highwayman -

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Group: potadg	Message: 34463	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1914

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:49:51 Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

Wasn't there an online comic shop that carries it?

Try Mile High Comics.

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And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can

- Highwayman -

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Group: potadg	Message: 34464	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1914

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:49:51 Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

That's the thing about stories - if they are written well enough,
anything goes!

I wonder if Mr. Comics would be interested in adapting "Freak" to for a mini-series... Shameless self plug!

I fly a starship across the Universe divide
And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can

- Highwayman -

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Group: potadg	Message: 34465	From: Mithril1960@aol.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Message

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A Happy and Safe New Years Celebration to everyone!

I fly a starship across the Universe divide
And when I reach the other side
I'll find a place to rest my spirit if I can

- Highwayman -

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Group: potadg	Message: 34466	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Message

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Group: potadg	Message: 34467	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Shameless Mith!

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If you are going to be shameless, you should provide a LINK!!! J

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Sent: Sunday, 1 January 2006 6:10 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Digest Number 1914

In a message dated 12/31/2005 12:49:51 Eastern Standard Time, PotaDG@yahoogroups.com writes:

That's the thing about stories - if they are written well enough,
anything goes!

I wonder if Mr. Comics would be interested in adapting "Freak" to for a mini-series... Shameless self plug!

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And when I reach the other side
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Group: potadg	Message: 34468	From: Michael Whitty	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Message

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.html AOL Email

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Message

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Group: potadg	Message: 34469	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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These stories were written for kids. If you over analize them as
adults your head will explode. My son couldn't care less about the
continuity problems... and neither could Dehn or the other writers.
This isn't Star Trek you freaks. Its Goddamn talking apes. Shut up
and enjoy. (...and Kirk was sooooo the better Starship Captain.)

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Whitty" <whitty@c...> wrote:
>
> Ty,
>
> For many years I chose to believe that POTA is "stuck in a loop" and
> that Cornelius just had it wrong. Not hard to believe when you have
> studied theology (or just played Chinese Whispers!).
>
> However what I like about the changed scenario is that it explains a
> hell of a lot (whether or not it was intended to!). It also means
there
> are TWO ape revolutions and how can anyone pass that up!?!?!? :-)
>
> There are just a whole lot MORE alternatives.
>
> One of the most difficult things for me to love with is the DATE
that
> Conquest is set...sorta like 1984 it just didn't happen! Whereas
if you
> think that Taylor is in our future, then his ship is flown into our
past
> and that changes things, it just lies better with me.
>
> But to each his own.
>
> Also, I'd think twice about what Dehn was trying to do. Yes, he
says in
> an interview "it is all like a big circle", but what does that MEAN?
> And don't forget Dehn was just ONE of the people involved. My
belief is
> that Dehn was sloppy as hell and yes, I think he did want to write
it as
> a "circular" timeline where it all repeats itself ad infinitum. I
> think, however, that some of the other writers (the Corringtons for
> example) had a different idea and (as Jeff said) Jacobs also wanted
it
> to be left open. Much of the confusion comes from this muddle of
> intentions, if you ask me!
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Ty Templeton
> Sent: Saturday, 31 December 2005 12:25 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes
(Issue 1)
>
> We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm
afraid.
> It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any
mistakes
> of continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil
> says...) Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up
that
> deals directly with the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.
>
> Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES
history
> transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right. Historians
> revise their theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't
for a
> moment believe any dates or details from many centuries ago are
specific
> enough to be considered fact.
>
> Ty the Guy
> Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes
> On 12/30/05, Haristas@a... < Haristas@a...
> <mailto:Haristas@a...> > wrote:
> In a message dated 12/30/05 12:07:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> whitty@c... writes:
>
>
>
>
> Whitty,
>
> Don't you mean that they take place on the WEST coast?!?
>
> I'd agree that they do, and for the reason you state, it's evidence
of
> an ALTERED Timeline!
>
>
> CONQUEST and BATTLE do not have to be set on the West coast to
support
> the idea of an alternate timeline. The fact that history doesn't
happen
> in those two films the way Cornelius and Zira describe it in ESCAPE
is
> evidence enough, then there's also that the Lawgiver in BATTLE
doesn't
> sound like the one described in PLANET. That's because the
Lawgiver in
> BATTLE exists in a world different from the one of the original
timeline
> that's PLANET's past.
>
> As far as I'm concerned the Mendez shown in BATTLE is an ancestor
of the
> Mendez of BENEATH, but in the original timeline that ancestor
wasn't a
> mutant, for the ape revolution and nuclear Armageddon hadn't
happened
> yet.
>
> -- Rory
> _____
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> Service <
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>
>
>
> _____
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>
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>
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Group: potadg	Message: 34470	From: LordTZer0@AOL.com	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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In a message dated 12/31/2005 3:49:34 P.M. Central Standard Time, DrZaiusDavis@... writes:

Its Goddamn talking apes. Shut up
and enjoy. (...and Kirk was sooooo the better Starship Captain.)

Best of them all . . .

To paraphrase Stewie from Family Guy

He was the only one up to the task of

seducing green women.

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Group: potadg	Message: 34471	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Mr. T vs POTA

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After all that sci-fi fanboy talk about timelines I needed this! That
was freakin' retarded. I loved it. Thanks for sharing that. "I pity
the fool who don't take the time to read this", and 1987 did suck!

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, LordTZer0@A... wrote:
>
>
> I had forgotten all about this.
> It's amazing the things you'll find
> trying to make room on your bookmarks.
>
> _Mr.T vs. POTA page 1_
(http://www.adam.belsky.com/mrt/T_vs_pota1.htm)
>

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Group: potadg	Message: 34472	From: John	Date: 12/31/2005
Subject: Re: Revolution on the Planet of the Apes (Issue 1)

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Holy crap Rory. I thought Patrick had written this long winded post.
He must be getting to ya.

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 12/30/05 8:26:06 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tybunny@g... writes:
>
>
> > We here at Mr.Comics support the circular timeline theory, I'm
afraid.
> > It's clearly what Dehn was writing towards, and I believe any
mistakes of
> > continuity are mistakes, and not clues (regardless of what Virgil
says...)
> > Although, speaking to that...we do have a story coming up that
deals directly with
> > the Good Lawgiver/Rotten Lawgiver scenario.
> >
> > Let me drop this in your ear...just because Cornelius BELIEVES
history
> > transpired a certain way, doesn't mean he got it right.
Historians revise their
> > theories about past cultures constantly, and I don't for a moment
believe any
> > dates or details from many centuries ago are specific enough to
be considered
> > fact.
> >
> > Ty the Guy
> > Editor. Revolution on the Planet of the Apes
> >
>
> Stuff like this simply infuriates me. The FACT is that PLANET came
first,
> with no plans for sequels. There wasn't even a sequel planned when
BENEATH was
> made. The so-called PLANET OF THE APES SAGA is the invention of
those that
> came after the creation of the original film. As a work of
cinematic art the
> original deservedly has a right -- a right I defend! -- to stand
alone. No
> sequel is required, no untold story of the past of the planet is
needed.
> Artistically there never should have been sequels. They were made
simply to make
> money, and the quality of BENEATH, or rather the lack of it since
it's a crude
> film compared to the original, clearly shows the studio at least
just wanted a
> quick cash in on the first's popularity. Artistically, the sequels
are
> illegitimate children of the first film, bastards if not exactly
bastardizations of
> the original.
>
> Another thing that should be remembered is that ESCAPE, CONQUEST
and BATTLE
> are called "sequels" to PLANET, not "prequels." They tell a
continuing story,
> not back story to the first film. As for "what Dehn was writing
towards,"
> there's nothing clear about it. Yes, Dehn was pessimistic that the
future could
> not be changed and had Caesar's statue weep at the end, but this
wasn't what
> the original screenwriters, the Corringtons, intended and it made
the both of
> them chagrin (according to what is written in the book "Planet of
the Apes
> Revisited" anyway). What's more important is that this didn't
make the studio
> happy and probably not Arthur Jacobs as well, hence the cuts made
to the final
> release version so that a direct link to the mutants in BATTLE and
those in
> BENEATH couldn't be made. What this means is that Dehn is not
the "auteur" of
> the so-called PLANET OF THE APES SAGA and it's wrong, WRONG, to
make him such.
>
> Ultimately, of course, it all comes down to how you want to look at
it. I
> just don't like the circular timeline view. It's boring and
unimaginative. All
> possible scenarios in this restricted viewpoint ultimately lead to
the same
> conclusion we saw in BENEATH. How bloody awful! How bloody
pointless! Why
> even bother coming up with new stories?
>
> -- Rory
>

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