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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tshaf37@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:42 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath - THX?!?!?!

I have a 52' Big screen but no surround sound. Tell me something, if I get one does it really make any difference in the sound of the movies?

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.html.html In a message dated 1/16/06 7:48:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

I have a 52' Big screen but no surround sound. Tell me something, if I get one does it really make any difference in the sound of the movies?

Well, let me put it this way....


YES!!!!!!


Go out and get yourself a surround system at once.  Make sure it has Dolby Digital and DTS, and make sure in comes with all the speakers and a subwoofer.  Don't get a cheap system, but one around $150 to $250.  And get one that a major brand.  If you care about really getting into the APES films -- do it!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/16/06 7:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Shit yeah!

Some movies it makes little difference, but many of them have a new dimension added through surround sound.

Michael

You have a surround set up, don't you, Michael?  BUT, is it "discrete"?

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.html.html In a message dated 1/16/06 7:50:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

So in other words it will have the effect of Stereo?

I would like to watch them like that!


I don't know what you're getting in Australia, but the original DVDs offered all the films in stereo except ESCAPE.  BENEATH, CONQUEST and BATTLE were in two channel stereo, but it was "fake" stereo mixed from mono elements.  The music, for example, didn't have the kind of stereo separation that the scores to on their CDs.

Since the entire scores are available on all the films (well, ESCAPE could still be trouble) in "true" stereo, I don't see why better remixes of the soundtracks to the films aren't possible.  It just takes time and $$$ to do it, something that Fox just loves to give to the APES films, RIGHT?!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 11:59 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath - THX?!?!?!

In a message dated 1/16/06 7:53:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Shit yeah!

Some movies it makes little difference, but many of them have a new dimension added through surround sound.

Michael

You have a surround set up, don't you, Michael?  BUT, is it "discrete"?

-- Rory

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In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:48:22 P.M. Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

no surround sound. Tell me something, if I get one does it really make any difference in the sound of the movies?

 

Yes.  Screen size is only half of the theater experience.

Half of what you see is actually heard, or felt through

the sound system.  If you ever seen a work print

without the music or sound effects you know

what I mean.

 

 

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.html.html In a message dated 1/16/2006 7:25:52 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

In a message dated 1/16/06 6:13:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Rory's buying POTA2001 agaaaaain! Ha! Ha!

I know!  It's killing me!!!!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 2:21 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Islands on the POTA

Whilst drawing a new panel for Going Home I noticed something that I found slightly puzzling. I was using the map that is on Urko's wall in the TV show and just off the coast it shows what are clearly 3 islands:

 

 

Now I thought that the apes were afraid of the water so how would they have mapped these islands?

There must be (or have been) apes using boats out in the ocean in order for these maps to have been charted, just something that I found a bit strange given what we are presented with in the show.

 

Neil

 

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In a message dated 1/16/2006 6:59:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

If you care about really getting into the APES films -- do it!

 

It's not just Apes, but Space movies, War Movies, all action movies in

general.  But if you live in an apartment, your neighbors will hate you.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:45:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Now I thought that the apes were afraid of the water so how would they have mapped these islands?

There must be (or have been) apes using boats

 

Not necessarily.  You wouldn't need a boat to map

an island you can see from shore.  Nothing on the

map indicates scale.  On a clear day you can see

Catalina Island from the coast of California.

 

 

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>It's not done on DVD and the POTA films will be anamorphic and will
>have small black bars on 16:9 TV's
>
>
>
>That makes no sense,
>since the whole purpose of having a TV
>with a 9x16 aspect ratio is to not have
>to letterbox it. Did you mean that 4:3
>TVs will have small black bars?
>

No, the 16:9 TV will have small black bars, the 4:3 TV will have bigger
bars.

The Panavision/Cinemascope image that POTA films were made in are wider than
a widescreen TV. Some films are, some are not. Here is an example of a 1.85
to 1 aspect ratio film image (close to, but not exactly 16:9) the result is
no black bars on a 16:9 widescreen TV

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic185demo.html"

Here is an example of a 2.35 to 1 film (the ratio of all the Apes films)
image on DVD. There will be small black bars but the whole image will be
preserved. HDTV channels will frequently crop 2.35 to 1 movies to 16:9. Film
lovers frown on this.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/anamorphic235demo.html"

For most, it is much preferable to have those small black bars than to have
the image be cropped in order to eliminate them. The purpose of 16:9 TV is
not to eliminate black bars but to have a TV in an aspect ratio more like
current movies. Most of the time, you will not need black bars to see the
whole film image, but when you do, they are much smaller.

And then there are the films before widescreen (like Gone With The Wind and
Wizard Of Oz) that will have to have black bars on either side (instead of
top and bottom) so the squarish image will show properly.

Those movies ironically would have no black bars on 4:3. But of course,
early TV was made to be like movies before widesceen. Widescreen was made in
response to TV to give people something they could not see on TV :)

Best,
Mike

.html.html In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:28:33 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Now I thought that the apes were afraid of the water so how would they have mapped these islands?

Only Galen is shown being "afraid" of the water... That doesn't mean that there aren't others that wouldn't be... It's very possible that an exploration expedition charted these waters and mapped out the locations of the islands...<.html <.html

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----- Original Message -----

From: mlccougar@...

To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:40 PM

Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: More info on Ultimate DVD - films will be anamorphic

In a message dated 1/16/2006 7:25:52 AM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

In a message dated 1/16/06 6:13:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Rory's buying POTA2001 agaaaaain! Ha! Ha!

I know!  It's killing me!!!!

Think how I feel... I vowed never to even watch the damn thing, and suddenly it's gonna be in my home... Granted it will stay unopened/unwatched, but still...

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.html.html In a message dated 1/17/2006 1:10:10 AM Central Standard Time, veetus@... writes:

Can't you guys wait and see if they release this stuff separate? You've fallen right into Fox's clutches.

Well, I think I want everything else in that Box Set, so being stuck with pota2001 is just the chance I'm gonna have to take...

As far as being released seperately, the individual releases of BENEATH, CONQUEST, and BATTLE were announced well before the Bos Set release...

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In a message dated 1/16/2006 11:49:35 P.M. Central Standard Time, mego73@... writes:

The purpose of 16:9 TV is
not to eliminate black bars but to have a TV in an aspect ratio more like
current movies.

Well that sucks.

It should be adjustable!

 

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In a message dated 1/17/2006 1:14:43 A.M. Central Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Well, I think I want everything else in that Box Set, so being stuck with pota2001 is just the chance I'm gonna have to take...

 

If you don't think you're ever going to play the disc, even for

someone else, they make great coasters.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , mlccougar@a... wrote:

> Only Galen is shown being "afraid" of the water... That doesn't mean

that there aren't others that wouldn't be... It's very possible that
an exploration expedition charted these waters and mapped out the
locations of the islands...

-- Well there's the seed of an idea for a comic strip story right
there!

Neil

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I've watched Planet and Beneath on my neighbors big
ass TV with surround sound and it rocked....was like
seeing them in the theatre again....all kinds of sound
you can't pick up on on rgular TV

Tim

--- Haristas@... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/16/06 7:53:59 PM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> Michael.Whitty@... writes:
>
>
> > Shit yeah!
> >
> > Some movies it makes little difference, but many
> of them have a new
> > dimension added through surround sound.
> >
> > Michael
> >
>
> You have a surround set up, don't you, Michael?
> BUT, is it "discrete"?
>
> -- Rory
>

.html.html In a message dated 1/17/06 12:45:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, LordTZer0@... writes:

In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:45:45 P.M. Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

Now I thought that the apes were afraid of the water so how would they have mapped these islands?
There must be (or have been) apes using boats

Not necessarily.  You wouldn't need a boat to map
an island you can see from shore.  Nothing on the
map indicates scale.  On a clear day you can see
Catalina Island from the coast of California.


No, no, no... you sillies!  Humans made the maps and the apes just aped them.

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.html.html In a message dated 1/17/2006 8:49:46 AM Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

So was he an ape lover or just an ass kisser trying to get a leg up and look out for himself?  What do you think?

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-- Rory<.html<.html

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.html.html With all the previous posts concerning the sound, etc. I was left with just one question:

If a film is anamorphic, and you just have a regular widescreen TV or an HDTV, will the anamorphic picture just look like a regular widescreen film on a standard TV (i.e. will there be the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen)?<.html<.html

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> No, no, no... you sillies! Humans made the maps and the apes just

aped them.

-- Well then wasn't it thoughtful (and intuitive) of those humans to
put all those ape towns and villages on the maps for them then.

Neil

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With all the previous posts concerning the sound, etc. I was left with just one question:

If a film is anamorphic, and you just have a regular widescreen TV or an HDTV, will the anamorphic picture just look like a regular widescreen film on a standard TV (i.e. will there be the black bars on the top and bottom of the screen)?

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In a message dated 1/18/2006 7:14:07 A.M. Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

I have the DVD Battle for the Planet of the apes Uncut and I wanna send you guys a copy

 

Send me one!

Or do I have that one?

I think I just have Return.

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> But you don't understand. The apes found old maps and just copied

them. Anything you see in the APES stuff -- guns, riding horses,
pressure hoses, surgical methods -- all aped from man.

> READ YOUR BOULLE!

-- No you seem to be the one who doesn't understand. The map on Urko's
wall has all the ape towns and cities etc. marked on it. This MUST
have been MADE BY THE APES. If they had just 'aped / copied' a human
map they would still have to know WHERE to put THEIR towns and
villages on it!
They may have aped the IDEA of maps but they must have been able to
make their own.
Plus what we see in the TV series has little or nothing to do with
anything Boulle wrote apart from the premise of apes being masters of
the planet.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tshaf37@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 1:36 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Mr. Mcdonald traitor?

I have the uncut version of Battle for the Planet of the apes and I sat down last night and watched and my daughter got my thinking, If you were a human who lived in the village with the apes would you consider McDonald a traitor? In my version when the Teacher runs from the apes and is caught, Aldo explains to Caesar how the Teacher broke the first law with his own mouth. In my version Mcdonald goes on to chew him out on how humans may never say no to an ape and he knows better. That he himself said no to apes over and over and he should be old enough to remember that? Teacher didn't seem to happy with Mr. Mcdonald by the look on his face. My daughter was asking if he was a traitor to the humans. So was he an ape lover or just an ass kisser trying to get a leg up and look out for himself?  What do you think?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:50 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com; pota@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Beneath DVD cover

Here's a cover I just made for the new DVD of BENEATH.  I wonder if the one Fox comes up with will be anything like it.

-- Rory

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Not bad Rory!

-- I think it looks okay except maybe for the white 'dead space'
between the red writing. That sort of throws it off balance for me.

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Here's one of the good questions I was talking about that am almost

sure nobody will bother to answer!

> No, I don't think he was a traitor.

-- I don't think he was a traitor either in fact I think there can be
more of an argument made for his brother being a traitor.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mlccougar@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:04 PM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Check out Return to the Planet of the Apes - North America's Package Pics For

Here's a picture of the packaging for the box set...



Return to the Planet of the Apes - North America's Package Pics For The Ultimate DVD Collection!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Greg Plonowski <urko3085@s...> wrote:

> Issue 66 is now available to download from Hunter's site. This issue

contains part 4 of the Conquest adaptation, with Caesar infiltrating
Ape Management.

> No letter column this week, but there is a one-page collection of

photos showing the end of the make-up process.

-- Thanks Greg.

Neil

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of tshaf37@...
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 12:09 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Check out Return to the Planet of the Apes - North America's Pac...

What I would like to know is can you buy the DVD set Return to the Planet of the apes separately? I already have all of these. By the way does anyone here have a DVD burner? I have the DVD Battle for the Planet of the apes Uncut and I wanna send you guys a copy, I just need to figure out how?

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Neil T Foster
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:14 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] May 2004 posts moved

Just wanted to let everyone know that the group's posts for May 2004 have been deleted from the main site and can now be found in the files section of the Archives group as a text file:

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGrouparchives/

 

We have to do this periodically to free up space as Yahoo does not allot much space to the groups anymore. As this group is so active we tend to fill up very quickly and instead of losing old posts forever we like to keep a copy of them all, so we had to start a few more groups to store excess stuff on.

One very important point - to access the old posts etc. you will need to be a member of the Archives group.
The same is also true for the Fan Fiction and Photos groups:

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupfanfiction/

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos/

 

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/PotaDiscussionGroupphotos2/

 

All the sites can be easily accessed via the links on each one's Home Page.

 

 

Thanks,

Neil

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I didn't see the pic to the cover on your message. Is it in the File
section Rory?
Thanks
John

- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:

>
> Here's a cover I just made for the new DVD of BENEATH. I wonder if

the one

> Fox comes up with will be anything like it.
>
> -- Rory
>

I have never met Ken. Is he a member of the group. I live in the US
and I bought the Tapes off of Ebay when they were first released and
a new VCR that would play PAL to play them on. I was in heaven until
the DVD's came out.
John

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

>
> Well this actually represents wonderful value for money to me.
>
> I'll be getting one!
>
> By the way, Ken Taylor (who is the guy who brought the TV Show to

VHS in

> Australia before any other country even CONSIDERED s release!)

told me about

> a master copy of the cartoons that makes the best quality DVD of

them I have

> seen look average. So if you are wondering, the RETURN DVD should

be worth

> the coin.
>
> The one Ken saw was, he said, about the same quality as the TV

Show masters

> - clean picture and sound!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On

Behalf Of

> mlccougar@a...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Check out Return to the Planet of the Apes -

North

> America's Package Pics For
>
>
> Here's a picture of the packaging for the box set...
>
>
>
> Return to the <http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?

NewsID=4923> Planet

> of the Apes - North America's Package Pics For The Ultimate DVD

Collection!

>
>
>

.html.html In a message dated 1/18/06 2:57:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- No you seem to be the one who doesn't understand. The map on Urko's
wall has all the ape towns and cities etc. marked on it. This MUST
have been MADE BY THE APES. If they had just 'aped / copied' a human
map they would still have to know WHERE to put THEIR towns and
villages on it!
They may have aped the IDEA of maps but they must have been able to
make their own.
Plus what we see in the TV series has little or nothing to do with
anything Boulle wrote apart from the premise of apes being masters of
the planet.

Neil

Oh yeah?!!!!  Well, I don't think much of that!  The basis of all things POTA is Boulle.  May the Lawgiver strike you down if you say anything less!  You better take it back!

I think the apes "aped" the basic geography they found on old human maps, BUT, OF COURSE, made their own maps afterward and put their own cities and villages on them.  JEEZ!  Unbelievable!  You just want to argue for arguments sake!  You're MAD!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/18/06 5:26:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

By the way, Ken Taylor (who is the guy who brought the TV Show to VHS in Australia before any other country even CONSIDERED s release!) told me about a master copy of the cartoons that makes the best quality DVD of them I have seen look average.  So if you are wondering, the RETURN DVD should be worth the coin.

Yes, all you with the bootleg copies of the cartoon show should get ready to JUNK them -- and that means you too, Hunter!  But don't worry, I can "make copies!"  And so will others!

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/18/06 5:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- I think it looks okay except maybe for the white 'dead space'
between the red writing. That sort of throws it off balance for me.

Neil

Me too.  I'm trying to think of how to rearrange it.  Too bad these were the only two concepts used in the original ad and poster campaign.

-- Rory<.html <.html

.html.html Now I seem to remember a certain person here used to make fun of him, but this book should be something that every POTA fan will want to read.  Personally....  I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!  How about you, Whitty?  Mmmmm?

From www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com:

Jerry Goldsmith Biography Update

As most of you know Carrie Goldsmith began the mammoth task of writing a biography about her father shortly before his untimely death in 2004. Carrie is now in the final stages of her first draft and hopes to have a completed version of the book at the end of January.

Carrie plans to setup a special website to promote her book and post excerpts from it for fans to get a taste of what is to come. The site should be active within about 8 weeks and I will of course post details as soon as I have them.

I am sure all Jerry Goldsmith fans will want to wish her luck in these final stages of what will no doubt be a fascinating book.





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.html.html In a message dated 1/18/06 6:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

I didn't see the pic to the cover on your message. Is it in the File
section Rory?
Thanks
John

James will put it in there, but I'm still working on it.  It's not quite right yet.

-- Rory<.html <.html

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John Williams won the Golden Globe for Memoirs Of A Geisha.

You'd think between him and Goldsmith they'd have enough

Oscars to sink a rowboat.  But not so. They both have tons

of nominations, but Williams only won a handful of those,

and Goldsmith only won once.  Can anyone guess what

he won for, and what beat POTA for the Oscar?

 

 

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of luke_the_drifter52
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:56 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Check out Return to the Planet of the Apes - North A merica's Package Pics For

I have never met Ken. Is he a member of the group. I live in the US
and I bought the Tapes off of Ebay when they were first released and
a new VCR that would play PAL to play them on. I was in heaven until
the DVD's came out.
John

In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:
>
> Well this actually represents wonderful value for money to me.
> 
> I'll be getting one!
> 
> By the way, Ken Taylor (who is the guy who brought the TV Show to
VHS in
> Australia before any other country even CONSIDERED s release!)
told me about
> a master copy of the cartoons that makes the best quality DVD of
them I have
> seen look average.  So if you are wondering, the RETURN DVD should
be worth
> the coin.
> 
> The one Ken saw was, he said, about the same quality as the TV
Show masters
> - clean picture and sound!
>
> Michael
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of
> mlccougar@a...
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 6:04 PM
> To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [PotaDG] Check out Return to the Planet of the Apes -
North
> America's Package Pics For
>
>
> Here's a picture of the packaging for the box set...
>
>
>
> Return to the  <http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?
NewsID=4923> Planet
> of the Apes - North America's Package Pics For The Ultimate DVD
Collection!

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:48 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Beneath DVD cover

In a message dated 1/18/06 6:55:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, JLKINSER1970@... writes:

I didn't see the pic to the cover on your message. Is it in the File
section Rory?
Thanks
John

James will put it in there, but I'm still working on it.  It's not quite right yet.

-- Rory

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-----Original Message-----
From: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com [PotaDG@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Haristas@...
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 11:53 AM
To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PotaDG] Jerry Goldsmith Biography Update

Now I seem to remember a certain person here used to make fun of him, but this book should be something that every POTA fan will want to read.  Personally....  I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!  How about you, Whitty?  Mmmmm?

From www.jerrygoldsmithonline.com:

Jerry Goldsmith Biography Update

As most of you know Carrie Goldsmith began the mammoth task of writing a biography about her father shortly before his untimely death in 2004. Carrie is now in the final stages of her first draft and hopes to have a completed version of the book at the end of January.

Carrie plans to setup a special website to promote her book and post excerpts from it for fans to get a taste of what is to come. The site should be active within about 8 weeks and I will of course post details as soon as I have them.

I am sure all Jerry Goldsmith fans will want to wish her luck in these final stages of what will no doubt be a fascinating book.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Whitty, Michael" <Michael.Whitty@d...>
wrote:

> Thanks for doing this - it sure takes a lot of time and energy!

-- Yes it really does, especially going through and cutting all the
erroneous crap (like your government warnings!) from the posts! ;-)

One good thing about it though is that I do actually read a lot of the
old posts whilst I am doing it and I would highly recommend that the
rest of you check out some of the archives of previous posts. There
really are a lot of interesting discussions that have happened over
the years.
It is also amazing to see how some peoples views on things have
changed 100% in less than 2 years as well!

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> Oh yeah?!!!! Well, I don't think much of that! The basis of all

things POTA is Boulle. May the Lawgiver strike you down if you say
anything less! You better take it back!

-- I stick by what I said, other than having Apes ruling the planet
the TV series has nothing to do with his original concept. I don't see
any trucks or TVs etc. in the TV show.

> I think the apes "aped" the basic geography they found on old human

maps, BUT, OF COURSE, made their own maps afterward and put their own
cities and villages on them.

-- Why could they not have enough intelligence to do their own
cartography? If they just 'aped' "the basic geography they found on
old human maps" it would be nigh on impossible to put their towns &
cities in the right places if they couldn't chart the geography
themselves, why is that so hard to accept?

> JEEZ! Unbelievable! You just want to argue for arguments sake!

You're MAD!

-- I hope that was said in jest, I really do.

Neil

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.html.html In a message dated 1/18/2006 4:01:39 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Here's one of the good questions I was talking about that am almost sure nobody will bother to answer!

I bothered to answer it... I just haven't gotten to the point of seeing if anyone had anything to say about my reply...

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Yes, all you with the bootleg copies of the cartoon show should get ready to JUNK them -- and that means you too, Hunter!  But don't worry, I can "make copies!"  And so will others!


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In a message dated 1/18/2006 7:38:18 P.M. Central Standard Time, tshaf37@... writes:

Wasn't it 2001 that beat Goldsmith out?

 

Nope   Sorry.

The answer we were looking for was Oliver . . . Oliver.

The score he won was The Omen.

 

 

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

>
> Whilst drawing a new panel for Going Home I noticed something that

I found slightly puzzling. I was using the map that is on Urko's wall
in the TV show and just off the coast it shows what are clearly 3
islands:

>
> Now I thought that the apes were afraid of the water so how would

they have mapped these islands?

> There must be (or have been) apes using boats out in the ocean in

order for these maps to have been charted, just something that I
found a bit strange given what we are presented with in the show.

>
> Neil

*** I'm not at all surprised at the possibility -- the probability --
that the Apes use boats and could have charted those 3 islands
themselves.

In the 1st movie, Cornelius mentions that "you can't ride along the
shore at high tide, and we had no boats on our last expedition". In
other words, Cornelius knows what a boat is -- and only Apes, in
3954, would've been able to navigate the ocean coast during the
previous expedition in such boats.

Ergo, the Apes DO have boats. Perhaps they don't use them all that
often, and perhaps those apes who do make use of boats are few and
far between, but they do have them.

As for Rory's notion that Urko's wall map was an "aped" version of a
human-drawn map... that's just nonsense. If they were aping a human
map, then why not include a GRID of latitude and longitude while
they're at it? And an arrow pointing towards North as well? And the
NAMES of the various towns next to the symbols for those towns?

The fact that Urko's map doesn't have ANY of those features suggests
that they haven't been aping any ancient human-made maps. The only
human-made map they seem to have used was the map on the wall of the
Garrison in the ruins of Oakland, in "THE LEGACY". They would have no
need to make an original Ape-version of a map of that city, since
there already was one -- a more accurate one than any their own
cartographers could probably make, too.

Patrick

I love seeing these covers.....All new ape
illustrations (to me!) they are so dramatic! THANKS
GREG AND HUNTER!!!
Tim

--- Greg Plonowski <urko3085@...> wrote:

> Issue 66 is now available to download from Hunter's
> site. This issue contains part 4 of the Conquest
> adaptation, with Caesar infiltrating Ape Management.
>
>
> No letter column this week, but there is a
> one-page collection of photos showing the end of the
> make-up process.
>
> https://pota.goatley.com
>
> Greg
>

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*** I'm not at all surprised at the possibility -- the probability --
that the Apes use boats and could have charted those 3 islands
themselves.

Much easier to explain that they just copied what they saw from surviving human maps.  They are apes after all.  READ YOUR BOULLE.

Boulle IS the basis of all things POTA!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 2:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

Ergo, the Apes DO have boats. Perhaps they don't use them all that
often, and perhaps those apes who do make use of boats are few and
far between, but they do have them.

As for Rory's notion that Urko's wall map was an "aped" version of a
human-drawn map... that's just nonsense. If they were aping a human
map, then why not include a GRID of latitude and longitude while
they're at it? And an arrow pointing towards North as well? And the
NAMES of the various towns next to the symbols for those towns?

Ergo nothing!  Give a map to a child and ask them to copy it and show you where their house is and you'd get something that looks like what the apes make.  Am I talking to children here?

But anyway, NO it can't be this simple.  No, the apes had to have boats, and of course they go on voyages like the ancient Vikings.  Yeah, that's the ticket!

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 2:07:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, patrickmichaeltilton@... writes:

As for Rory's notion that Urko's wall map was an "aped" version of a
human-drawn map... that's just nonsense.

Oh, then I guess all of Boulle is just nonsense too!

Patrick, I'm sure Boulle would think your "scenarios" were pure nonsense!

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , Haristas@a... wrote:

> Ergo nothing! Give a map to a child and ask them to copy it and

show you where their house is and you'd get something that looks like
what the apes make.

-- What is the point of having a map that isn't accurate? If the Apes
have not charted the geography themselves they may as well do what you
suggest, just copy an old human map and then they might as well throw
darts at it to decide where their towns and villages are on that
copied map because if they havent charted it for themselves they
surely aren't going to know the true locations.

Also, while 'copying' those old human maps why didn't they copy the
place names as well?

Neil

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:

> As for Rory's notion that Urko's wall map was an "aped" version of a
> human-drawn map... that's just nonsense. If they were aping a human
> map, then why not include a GRID of latitude and longitude while
> they're at it? And an arrow pointing towards North as well? And the
> NAMES of the various towns next to the symbols for those towns?
> The fact that Urko's map doesn't have ANY of those features suggests
> that they haven't been aping any ancient human-made maps.

-- Thank you Patrick, I'm glad someone can understand the point I was
making.

Neil

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 In a message dated 1/18/2006 6:43:42 PM Central Standard Time, Haristas@... writes:

Yes, all you with the bootleg copies of the cartoon show should get ready to JUNK them -- and that means you too, Hunter!  But don't worry, I can "make copies!"  And so will others!

Good luck getting around the anti-piracy encryption on these DVDs then... All of the newest FOX releases warn against this...

 

Dude, I've been copying Fox DVDs for years now, right Whitty?

 

-- Rory

 

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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Islands on the POTA

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a ... wrote:
> Am I talking to children here?

 

-- Rory you are the one who is coming across as childish (and not for the first time either I'm sorry to say.)

 

> But anyway, NO it can't be this simple.  No, the apes had to have boats,

 

-- Umm, they DID have boats in the original movie and therefore the TV show as they used one of the same shots as an establishing shot for Central City (so that makes it 'canon'):

 

 

 

I'm surprised at you Rory, I had always thought you were a bit of an authority on these sort of things, especially the original movie.

 

Neil

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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Islands on the POTA

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a ... wrote:
> Am I talking to children here?

 

-- Rory you are the one who is coming across as childish (and not for the first time either I'm sorry to say.)

 

> But anyway, NO it can't be this simple.  No, the apes had to have boats,

 

-- Umm, they DID have boats in the original movie and therefore the TV show as they used one of the same shots as an establishing shot for Central City (so that makes it 'canon'):

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Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 8:10 AM
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Subject: [PotaDG] Re: Islands on the POTA

--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "patrickmichaeltilton"
<patrickmichaeltilton@y...> wrote:
> As for Rory's notion that Urko's wall map was an "aped" version of a
> human-drawn map... that's just nonsense. If they were aping a human
> map, then why not include a GRID of latitude and longitude while
> they're at it? And an arrow pointing towards North as well? And the
> NAMES of the various towns next to the symbols for those towns?
> The fact that Urko's map doesn't have ANY of those features suggests
> that they haven't been aping any ancient human-made maps.

-- Thank you Patrick, I'm glad someone can understand the point I was
making.

Neil

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It would also make sense that intelligent beings like
tthe Chimps and Orangs would figure out how to travel
on water.....Gorillas wouldn't though....simple minded
thugs........

Tim

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> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Am I talking to children here?
>
> -- Rory you are the one who is coming across as
> childish (and not for
> the first time either I'm sorry to say.)
>
> > But anyway, NO it can't be this simple. No, the
> apes had to have
> boats,
>
> -- Umm, they DID have boats in the original movie
> and therefore the TV
> show as they used one of the same shots as an
> establishing shot for
> Central City (so that makes it 'canon'):
>
>
>
>
>
> I'm surprised at you Rory, I had always thought you
> were a bit of an
> authority on these sort of things, especially the
> original movie.
>
> Neil
>
>

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To: PotaDG@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [PotaDG] Re: Islands on the POTA

It would also make sense that intelligent beings like
tthe Chimps and Orangs would figure out how to travel
on water.....Gorillas wouldn't though....simple minded
thugs........

Tim

--- Neil T Foster <nfoster@...> wrote:

> --- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, Haristas@a... wrote:
> > Am I talking to children here?
> 
> -- Rory you are the one who is coming across as
> childish (and not for
> the first time either I'm sorry to say.)
> 
> > But anyway, NO it can't be this simple.  No, the
> apes had to have
> boats,
> 
> -- Umm, they DID have boats in the original movie
> and therefore the TV
> show as they used one of the same shots as an
> establishing shot for
> Central City (so that makes it 'canon'):
> 
>
> 
>
> 
> I'm surprised at you Rory, I had always thought you
> were a bit of an
> authority on these sort of things, especially the
> original movie.
> 
> Neil
> 
>


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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com , "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:

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>
>
> Neil
>

Nice to see the pencils, Neil
Best Graham.

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--- In PotaDG@yahoogroups.com, "Neil T Foster" <nfoster@h...> wrote:
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>
> 
> Neil
>



Nice to see the pencils, Neil
Best Graham.

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 5:00:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

You know, I must say (and I might be persuaded otherwise...) that the whole Boulle concept of the apes simply APING mankind does not seem to be present in the movies, the TV Show or the Cartoons....but RETURN is the CLOSEST thing to Boulle.....

Michael


In the Boulle novel an atomic war hadn't destroyed civilization, but I still think the apes in the first two films generally lived in a society that "aped" what man had before -- and it seems the book the apes must have had for the basis of their society was one on ancient Rome!

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In a message dated 1/19/06 5:00:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

You know, I must say (and I might be persuaded otherwise...) that the whole Boulle concept of the apes simply APING mankind does not seem to be present in the movies, the TV Show or the Cartoons....but RETURN is the CLOSEST thing to Boulle.....

Michael

In the Boulle novel an atomic war hadn't destroyed civilization, but I still think the apes in the first two films generally lived in a society that "aped" what man had before -- and it seems the book the apes must have had for the basis of their society was one on ancient Rome!

-- Rory

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Here's my redo of a BENEATH DVD cover I posted a couple days ago.  I wasn't happy with it so I rearranged some of the elements.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 1/19/2006 8:59:05 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hence my post the other day - the one that annoyed you - re BIGUS DICKUS!

 

Don't you Yankees watch Monty Python?  ;)

 

Michael

I'm the one who replied, "I have a good friend in Rome by the name of Bigus Dickus".

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 9:59:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hence my post the other day - the one that annoyed you - re BIGUS DICKUS!

Don't you Yankees watch Monty Python?  ;)

Michael


Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that.  I've also watched Frankie Howerd in "Up Pompeii."  I've seen a lot of British stuff, I even liked AB FAB.

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I like this Rory.

Michael


I wish BENEATH's 1-sheet had been done like this.

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 11:44:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Ahhhhh....so SOMEBODY got it then!  :)

And now for something completely different.....a man with 3 buttocks!

Michael

Yes, that would be Gluteus Maximus.  Boy, is he an ass!

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I agree nice job Rory, still the best movie in the series, but only by a hair over the first.

Let me see.... What should I say in response?  Thanks, and....


ARE YOU CRAZY?!!!!

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In a message dated 1/19/06 11:44:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Ahhhhh....so SOMEBODY got it then!  :)

And now for something completely different.....a man with 3 buttocks!

Michael

Yes, that would be Gluteus Maximus.  Boy, is he an ass!

-- Rory

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/2006 2:48:50 PM Central Standard Time, nfoster@... writes:

-- What is the point of having a map that isn't accurate? If the Apes
have not charted the geography themselves they may as well do what you
suggest, just copy an old human map and then they might as well throw
darts at it to decide where their towns and villages are on that
copied map because if they havent charted it for themselves they
surely aren't going to know the true locations.

Well, as far as accuracy, in "The Good Seeds", Urko just uses his hand to measure about how far the astronauts are from Central City... How accurate can an apes hand be when used to measure distance?

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In a message dated 1/19/06 9:59:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hence my post the other day - the one that annoyed you - re BIGUS DICKUS!

Don't you Yankees watch Monty Python?  ;)

Michael

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten that.  I've also watched Frankie Howerd in "Up Pompeii."  I've seen a lot of British stuff, I even liked AB FAB.

-- Rory

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In a message dated 1/19/06 10:01:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

I like this Rory.

Michael

I wish BENEATH's 1-sheet had been done like this.

-- Rory

.html.html In a message dated 1/20/06 12:03:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, mlccougar@... writes:

Well, as far as accuracy, in "The Good Seeds", Urko just uses his hand to measure about how far the astronauts are from Central City... How accurate can an apes hand be when used to measure distance?

Has anyone ever bothered to notice that in the TV show Urko is a BONEHEAD?

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.html.html In a message dated 1/19/06 11:56:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, Michael.Whitty@... writes:

Hey - I thought you hated these kinds of posts!

You must be in a more cheery mood today!  ;)

Did you see Neil's photo of the boats?  I DIDN'T SEE VIKINGS, BUT I SAW BOATS!!!  :)

Yeah.  Did I ever say the apes didn't have boats?  But, whatever... I'm not going to continue arguing over the stupid TV show!

It just amazes me how many APES fans don't understand Boulle's book, and now it turns out even Patrick doesn't!

In Boulle's novel the ape revolution happened 10,000 years in the past, and there had been not technological progress in all that time.  Why?  Because the apes were mere imitators.  They took over the human society and merely "aped" it.  There was no invention on their part.

It should also be remembered that in the first episode of the TV show we see that Zaius has some human books.  Why not then couldn't others of had maps as well and merely imitated what they saw?  They would put on the maps human towns and cities that weren't there anymore.  Anyway, I'm not going to argue the stupid TV show.  If you want to believe the apes set sail in boats to map the islands off the coast of what was California, hey... whatever turns you on.  <.html <.html

.html.html In a message dated 1/19/2006 4:47:44 PM Central Standard Time, apefan23@... writes:

It would also make sense that intelligent beings like
tthe Chimps and Orangs would figure out how to travel
on water.....Gorillas wouldn't though....simple minded
thugs........

Intelligent beings like the chimps huh? Is that why Galen almost pisses himself at the thought of even getting his feet wet?

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